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Chinese Firm Huawei In Control of UK Net Filters
AmiMoJo writes "The BBC reports that Huawei, one of the world's largest manufacturers of telecoms equipment, is controlling popular ISP TalkTalk's web censorship system. The system, known as Homesafe, was praised by Prime Minister David Cameron. Customers who do not want filtering still have their traffic routed through the system, but matches to Huawei's database are dismissed rather than acted upon. In other words there is no opt-out. Mr Cameron has demanded similar measures be adopted by all internet service providers (ISPs) in the UK, to 'protect our children and their innocence.'"
If anyone knows how to filter internet traffic, it's the Chinese.
Hire the experts!
Oh look, another company to whom I've entered into a commercial agreement with that now has a right to my entire browsing history and "public metadata". Super.
I sure hope all countries adopt this system soon! I just can't seem to figure out why my bank converted all my currency to yuan...
In SOVIET RUSSIA... erm...NSA AMERICA, the Internet logs onto YOU!
The legal question, is filtered internet access really internet access. There is a technical definition of the internet defining packets DNS lookup and routability. I don't think a filtered internet access fully qualifies as internet access.
This could lead to legal challenges as the service providers are not selling true internet access. They are selling something else.
With my phone provider Three, unless you've phoned up to prove your age and ask for an "adult content" opt-in*, then every time you visit a "disagreeable" site - and there's a lot of classes of content they find disagreeable, apparently - you get redirected to the phone network's online porn store.
Great job, guys.
*That's a fun convo to have at work because they're only open 9-5 Mon-Fri
It's our own government and citizens spying on us.
... the internet is for pr0n!
So do the chinese get to filter before or after the americans intercept?
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I don't think what you think "internet access" is really matters.
They simply state your "access" is given as allowed by law, blah blah blah. Done.
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In British UK, the ISP access you!
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However i guess a back door has to be built. The prince needs now to empty his balls manually.
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'protect our children and their innocence.'"
Nonsense. Children are not innocent. Children are nasty, often cruel, little monsters in need of constant correction. "Innocent", in its original ( Latin ) sense, means "not (ob)noxious". Children are anything except "not (ob)noxious".
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You could make the same argument about port blocking, which most ISPs do.
coming soon from your isp: Internet Aksess [tm]
And this is why "common carrier" status is a useful concept.
Give me the line, untampered? Then what I do on it is my responsibility.
Give me the line, supposedly filtered? Then what I do on it is your responsibility, since it's your job to save me from myself.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I am no fan of Camerons prudy filter. I would rather he just fuck off to be frank.
But this article title is sensationalist crap.
What we have here is entirely the correct solution.
Some people want filtering for their connection, others don't. So, the free markey actually works here because one of the ISPs decides it can offer it as an opt-in option for the customers who want it. This is how the system is supposed to work. And for this ISP, they use Huawei.
Big woop. The system works as it is supposed to.
Oh and Cameron can still fuck off.
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... as they are basically a ministry of the Chinese government.
U.S. lawmakers seek to block China Huawei, ZTE U.S. inroads
"Committee Chairman Mike Rogers, at a press conference to release the report, said companies that had used Huawei equipment had reported "numerous allegations" of unexpected behavior, including routers supposedly sending large data packs to China late at night."
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Every month you hear how horribly dangerous Chinese cyber-spies are and how integrated their companies are with their spy efforts. But hey, having them handle internet filtering for the entire country is totally OK.
ROFL
.... that this Government are a bunch of complete fucking idiots.
(In case it wasn't obvious from the PM's rhetoric about the 'I am a pervert' opt-out porn filter.)
Nope, they're offering full internet access (well, apart from the IWF but that's a completely different story), but asking if people want it filtered. You can't complain about this block because someone in the house has decided it should be on, and it can be turned off at any time.
" Customers who do not want filtering still have their traffic routed through the system, but matches to Huawei's database are dismissed rather than acted upon".
Dismissed my ass!!
They will send your porn habits to GCHQ, NSA, etc. before such "dismissal".
Because nothing motivates a young boy to learn how to defeat technological filters than the promise of a nearly limitless supply of porn on the other side of those filters.
TalkTalk's Homesafe service is pretty good at blocking the pr0n, firearms, alcohol, tobacco, etc. sites. You can change what sub-categories of sites to allow through (I allowed Alcohol as I have business interests in a brewery). HomeSafe is also optional - you have to opt-IN to it. So, the headline here is what, exactly? A product that claims to filter the Web for you actually does what it's supposed to do? It's my home network, I can choose what I want to allow onto it, surely? The fact that it's Chinese also smacks of racism - I mean, the NSA and my own poxy government have already read my emails and tracked my phone calls. They're not Chinese. Everything in my life that uses electricity now is made in China.
Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules.
Don't employ your own people: Outsource it! Fuck over giving your own constituents jobs so you keep them poor (can't have actually intelligent computer folks with money - oh no - they'd actually be able to defeat us in 'courts of law' (secret fucking law)). Keep the sheep asleep, poor, and powerless - that's the key to power and keeping it for the 1% fratboy masons and jews with all the money, media bought up and paid for manufacturing news to keep you asleep, stupid, and off the real problem: Politicians who really are truly "the best money can REALLY buy" (since all you have to do in this world to find the real controllers and criminals is "follow the money")). I hope that both parties (secret societies types essentially which JFK warned us of along with Eisenhower and the military industrial complex) realize their shit is understood, out in the open (especially lately) and that they're dropping the ball so badly, everyone's aware of it and sick of it. Especially the slowly intentionally eroded away middle class (who are the only real potential competitors to the 'controllers' @ war with one another for their drug of choice - power, and control).
And now BT, Phorm and now the great firewall of London.
Cameron is just trying to motivate the young to learn technology. Tell a 12 year old boy his reward is porn and he'll learn how to bypass those filters in no time flat.
I've always thought about doing something similar with my own kid. Steadily increase the completeness of the filters until he has taught himself how to get around all of them. As of now, he's more interested in Elmo.
Stage 1 - Proxy Settings
Stage 2 - DNS filters
Stage 3 - Net Nanny
Stage 4 - Deep packet at the router level
Stage 5 - ?
I can't understand why ISPs are supportive of this. Maybe they think they have to be or will face massive negative publicity from hate-mongering newspapers. Inevitably they will fail to make the filters watertight and circumvention methods will become common knowledge, resulting in bad publicity anyway. The government will threaten to crack down* on them, customers will sue for failure to babysit their children for them etc.
* unless cracking down is banned after it becomes a filter-dodging euphemism for face sitting.
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The fault is certainly not with Huawei, however unlike MI5 it is for hire... They are a company closely affiliated with the chinese government and suspected as a tool to push it's agenda. You can't hire MI5 nor would any other country want to. Huawei is effectively a company that is controlled by an "MI5" That you could hire ignorantly... which is the case here.
Also factually speaking, it is known that Huawei networking hardware has come preloaded with backdoors in the past. That alone should be enough to discount them as a trustworthy supplier for equipment at an ISP.
I'm seriously considering personally paying for a poster campaign that says "Use Tor", and particularly target areas around senior schools. The idea being that every 14 year old kid starts using it for their pr0n needs, and parents everywhere start crying foul of the "clean" Internet Uncle David gave them without their consent. Hopefully then, the whole stupid idea can collapse in a steaming heap of lost votes, as indeed it should have been long ago.
make me want to vomit?
as comparted to routers supposedly sending large data packs to NSA
Obviously the real problem is with prudes who hope that no one will ever be able to look at porn or enjoy sex again, but I do really wish more people would think of the other side and realize that stripping rights away that our children would otherwise grow into is just not worth it.
This is not redundant. It's 100% relevant.
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Slippery Slope:
1. Save the children, think of the children
2. Its in the name of national security
3. Its potentially embarrassing to the government
4. It will help us get elected
5. We felt like it; their politics don't mesh with ours.
6. This corporation funds our elections
7. Nepotism, greed, hubris whatever.
If, at the beginning of the 19th Century, Britain had announced it supported the PRINCIPLE of Human slavery based of the recent locational background of the common gene patterns within a Human (ie., you are a slave because you are a 'black' African), slavery would be legal today. Slavery was actually supported IN PRINCIPLE by ALL major European powers, all Arab nations, all Muslim nations, and especially by the USA at the time, and each of these was actually working to come up with frameworks of justification to survive the age of scientific enlightenment. Only the action of the British set in motion events across the planet that would eventually force an end to the acceptance of the concept of slavery.
So, what's my point. Britain still has insane amounts of 'moral leadership' influence with regimes that represent the majority of the planet's population. Tony Blair's announcement (via his puppet, Cameron) of the most comprehensive Internet censorship system in Human history is designed to justify similar action in as many of the regimes on the earth as possible. Those that already censor in the most horrifying ways imaginable (like China) have their actions not only vindicated, but actually described as not severe enough.
This whole initiative by Blair is designed to be as 'in your face' as Humanly possible. The sheeple are meant to feel the full weight of Blair's heel on their neck. In Britain, but also in every other nation that will use Britain's actions as an excuse for their own extreme Internet clampdowns.
Blair has ZERO interest in pornography- the 'porno scare' is simply a means to an end- it both gathers support from the elderly Humans that exist in growing numbers in the West, and wonderfully interferes with the ability of Blair's opponents to rationally fight back. Britain's long standing enforcement model is that the State has to approve EVERYTHING the sheeple see and hear. Unlike clumsy and ineffective regimes, this was achieved by having every mainstream media organisation under the control of State loyalists. This allowed the usual filthy shills to proclaim that Britain was 'free'. Did you know, for instance, that Britons had no legal access to ANY form of so-called hardcore (ie., explicit) pornography until the Internet made such censorship by the State impossible? UK sex education programs on TV were BANNED from showing intimate photographs of external female sexual genitalia.
So Blair calls for a return to the 'good old days' and legions of old idiots clap and cheer and say "yeah, stick it to those depraved young people- and what about introduced compulsory military conscription for all young people of both sexes while you are at it?". (The Nation Service concept is something Blair is working toward, based on the model used by Putin in Russia).
Look at the discussion here on Slashdot. I bet you not one in one hundred actually addressees the true issue. A CONMAN always attempts to set the agenda, so sheeple are busy engaging in the fake conversation, rather than spotting the form and goals of the actual con. Blair, through his control of the mass media, controls the discussion.
Blair wants an internet where the ONLY sites you can visit are licensed by the State. Content produced by individuals under their own governance will be effectively banned. The ban will use many tricks. "The greater good" argument will simply make many forms of content simply illegal. Another trick is COMPULSORY INSURANCE so the person creating content has the funds to pay for court actions and libel pay-offs. This prices most people out of the market.
Blair has a legion of Common Purpose goons active in every area of UK society to act as cheerleaders for his policies. Common Purpose was the organisation Blair created to ensure people in mid-level management in all walks of life have the same mindset, the same goals, and the same allegiance to Tony Blair's policies. Common Purpose was modelled on similar organisations in the USSR (when it existed) and Communist China. While the dreadfu
Big ISPs are just trying to avoid becoming the target of government ire, because they're worried about their stock prices. Some small ISPs will go along on a similar basis, but they're worried not about stock but about being legislated out of existence.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
A nation that spies on others, would allow a company into their network that is KNOWN for spying for China.
You better not shout
You better not cry
You better not pout
I'm telling you why
David Cameron is coming to your ISP
David Cameron: protecting your children and their innocence* since 2013. Yes, Virginia, there really is a David Cameron. And he's one creepy, mofo. He knows when you're sleeping. He knows when you're awake. He know when you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake.
*May not be protecting your children. Innocence may be robbed by realization government is monitoring their activities through fascist actions through Chinese based censorship firm. "Family-Friendly Filter" may be ironic named alternative to "Communist China-Endorsed Censorship". Freedom void in UK.
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One for adults, and one for children. 'Child-friendly' devices (and versions of operating systems) would only be able to connect to the 'child-friendly' internet - presumably this is EASILY done by ISPs, and also the 'child-friendly' internet wouldn't allow its users to access any way to circumvent it.
Rather like the Jews take away free speech as soon as they get into power, so that nobody can say that JEWS HAVE TAKEN AWAY OUR FREE SPEECH SO THAT THEY CAN STAY IN POWER.
Do you see the irony?
Mother should I build a wall?
We can solve that problem too, with legalese.
You run into a site that's not filtered and should be? YOU, SIR, ARE A HACKER! YOU HACKED MY FILTER!! ARREST THIS MAN!!
American government propaganda is accepted as inviolable truth. So a few congressional flunkies who have some ignorant voters to pander to claim that Huawei spies for the Chinese government. That's great, we can just as easily claim that Cisco phones home, or Microsoft Windows phones home, or Boeing bugs the jets of foreign leaders; oops, this one actually happens. As usual the Slashdot anti-China hate train flames China for everything it can get its hands on for no reason whatsoever, showing all the hallmarks of the typical Western hypocrisy.
Blair hasn't been Prime Minister since 2007. He quit to spend more time with his investment bank chums and lucrative speaking jobs.
I can't remember the last time I came across a British ISP advertising "Internet Access". It's always called "broadband" these days, which probably carries no legal obligation to provide any internet access whatsoever, so long as access to *something* is provided.
Our government refused to allow huawei to have anything to do with our key networking infrastructure.
You can complain about the block because even if it's "turned off", a copy of all your internet traffic is still being sent to a Chinese company for analysis.
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So does that mean then a library can be sued for not having playboy or hustler accessible?