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Samsung Develops World's Fastest Embedded Memory With eMMC 5.0 Support
hypnosec writes "Samsung has announced the world's fastest NAND memory that supports the eMMC 5.0 standard. The new memory chips are based on 10nm class NAND flash technology and feature an interface speed of 400MB/s. Further, the 32GB and 64GB densities have a random read and write speed of 7,000 IOPS (inputs/outputs per second) while the sequential read and write speeds stand at 250MB/s and 90MB/s respectively. The chips will provide for better multitasking, HD video recording, gaming and browsing."
Well, to be honest, it won't provide for faster bitcoin crunching, gene folding, UFO findings, 3D rendering, slashdot posting, and other tasks popular with contemporary users of computing devices.
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Should it be reworded like "The chips will provide for better anything that requires the ability to read or write persistent data at any point in the process"?
That would be more accurate.
none of the techno mumbo jumbo nerd talk. give me a car analogy instead.
none of the techno mumbo jumbo nerd talk. give me a car analogy instead.
It's a manual, and you only know how to drive an automatic.
And how many write cycles? HOW MANY CYCLES?
With a standard HDD, the car's speed is slower. But most importantly, it takes time to accelerate and decelerate (the actuator arm). With an SSD, the car can accelerate instantly to 4x + times the speed limit and stop instantly as well as though you had some inertial damping field in effect. Whatever, it's FAST!
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A better translation could be to give me some information about what the current marketplace looks like. If it's the "fastest embedded memory", is that because it's 20% faster than the existing parts? 2% faster?
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Will they also provide a richer multimedia experience, more vibrant colors, and increased productivity? I hate these dumbed-down explanations of the benefits of some new computer technology.
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QUOTE "The chips will provide for better multitasking, HD video recording, gaming and browsing"
Would anyone like to make an attempt to justify any of the above claims?
-Multitasking? On a modern machine, this will be a RAM and CPU issue.
-HD video recording? Yes, if you are Peter Jackson working on the next 'Hobbit' movie. For every ordinary users of HD video cameras, the camera pre-compresses the data stream to a level well below the memory bandwidth of existing high-end flash cards.
-Gaming? SSD certainly do improve some gaming experience to a limited extent- usually the speed with which the next level is loaded in a multi-player FPS. However, the increasing use of SANE programming methods like streaming make such high-speed memory blocks almost redundant. This fact, and the increasing amounts of memory found on the GPU card itself mean that the famous SSD gaming boost has really peaked.
-Browsing? Again a RAM and CPU issue.
Faster is nice if it costs no more, otherwise we turn to computer science theory to see if the additional memory bandwidth at that stage of the computer pipeline really can make much of a difference. In this case, unless you are constantly accessing large new datasets (which might be the case with high-definition video EDITING, or many server database situations) the boost in flash speed is essentially of little significance.
I would guess . . . way too fast?
You'd probably get a really bad burn.
It won't provide for faster anything I do on my computer, because I already have faster chips in my desktop. They should have just said it will make smartphones faster. For comparison, my Samsung 840 Pro SSD is rated 530 MB/s sequential reads, 390 MB/s sequential writes, 90,000 IOPS. I guess we should be impressed that smartphones and embedded devices are catching up?
I agree with most of your examples, but I can think of a situation where an SSD might help with faster 3D rendering. The soft-real-time 3D renderer in a video game is often bottlenecked by the speed of loading textures into RAM. If you've ever seen the blurfest that is the start of an Unreal Engine 3 level before the textures pop into focus, you know what I'm talking about. There's a reason that PC games load faster when installed to SSD.
Well, to be honest, it does say "embedded".
But this chip is destined to live in your upcoming cell phone, NOT your desktop. This is the news.
Tomorrow is another day...
It won't provide for faster anything I do on my computer, because I already have faster chips in my desktop.
I'm pretty sure that you do not have faster flash chips in your desktop.
What you have is a faster array of flash chips, a combination that only exceeds the performance here when they operate in parallel.
Now imagine these 10nm chips in an array....
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and "based on 10nm class NAND flash technology" is at best highly misleading. It's 19nm technology.
Parity News might better be tagged Parity Spin, as might this summary.
What Samsung is doing with NAND is actually reasonably impressive -- 19nm is very good, and their TLC stuff in the 840 looked pretty good, and the performance/reliability/value of the 840 EVO looks to be extremely good for a non-enthusiast consumer drive. Sad they feel they need ridiculous spin on top of some very respectable achievements.
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I'd rather imagine a cluster
What kind of cluster?
Good to see people in this thread being so honest.
Now imagine a beowulf cluster of these 10nm chips arrays.
... they fix the eMMC sudden death problem.
Please can someone move this post to the top. Its the only useful one in the whole thread!
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Such innovations are being made daily. It did not redefine computing nor is a leap signiifcant enough to close my other 12 tabs just to see this story :D
I think I should stop giving Slashdot so much attention :P
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Embedded memory does not mean memory for embedded applications. It means memory that is included as a part of a larger subsystem, sometimes in a multi-chip module (MCM), sometimes in a package-on-package (POP), and the 2 main reasons for it is typically real estate constraints, as well as performance. For instance, this chip is a NAND flash that could go into MCMs that include application processors or basebands in cellphones, or it could be a part of multi-memory packages, where it's combined w/ DDR3 DRAM to provide all the memory that a portable app - such as a cell phone or GPS unit - may need.
I am curious about their 'random read and write' claims - NAND flash does not do random reads or writes: it reads or writes in pages, and so an entire buffer has to be filled before one can write anything. NOR flash is what has the random read and write: one erases in sectors/blocks and programs in bits/bytes/words. Samsung happens to make both, last I checked, so it's not inconceivable that they've combined the 2, and are offering the combination in a single package. But I'd like to know whether that's the case here.
A...Grendel cluster?
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4x8GB == 32GB.
Small correction: NAND can read randomly. Often the controller only supports block level reads, but the memory itself does not mandate it. SD cards support byte level addressing, for example, at least up to 2GB.
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Or another one looking at the seek time and fragmentation:
The HDD is a car with acceptable top speed, but is slow taking turns. An SSD is a car with much higher top speed and can also make instantaneous sharp turns.
Honestly, why do we need a separate flash slot? It sounds like when Intel introduced the AGP slot, which is no longer there on motherboards today. The data transfer rates of PCIe is adequate for getting that data to the flash, which will in any case need some buffer chips in b/w, since there is no way NAND flash can such up data at PCIe rates. There have been, from what I understand, market research done into whether NOR flash should have a DDR like interface as DRAM does, but that's for applications like smart phones, not for memory modules, which are supposed to be as cheap, if not cheaper, than DRAM.
Essentially, the solution here - have a controller chip that translates the PCIe protocols to the ones that the NAND will understand, in addition to ECC and all the rest. Then the cost of that chip would determine how much of NAND can be stacked on that card and still be cost-effective.