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Partner of Guardian's Snowden Reporter Detained Under Terrorism Act

hydrofix writes "The partner of the Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald, who has written a series of stories revealing mass surveillance programs by the National Security Agency (NSA), was held for almost nine hours on Sunday by UK authorities as he passed through the Heathrow airport on his way home to Rio de Janeiro. David Miranda was stopped by officers and informed that he would be questioned under the Terrorism Act 2000. The 28-year-old was held for nine hours, the maximum the law allows before officers must release or formally arrest the individual. According to official figures, most examinations last under an hour, and only one in 2,000 people detained are kept for more than six hours. Miranda was released without charge, but officials confiscated electronics including his mobile phone, laptop, camera, memory sticks, DVDs and games consoles. 'This is a profound attack on press freedoms [...] to detain my partner for a full nine hours while denying him a lawyer, and then seize large amounts of his possessions, is clearly intended to send a message of intimidation to those of us who have been reporting on the NSA and GCHQ,' Greenwald commented."

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  1. Update the constitution by fey000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Land of the Free(*).

    *Conditions may apply.

    1. Re:Update the constitution by compro01 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In this case, you need to create a (written and involved to amend) constitution.

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    2. Re:Update the constitution by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You also need a vigilant citizenry.

    3. Re:Update the constitution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Since this is the UK, it's the Magna Carta that needs to be revised.

    4. Re:Update the constitution by AxeTheMax · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It can be revised all you like but it won't do any good if you have a corrupt police (secret service?) who know their job is to protect their masters in Westminster and Washington.

    5. Re:Update the constitution by currently_awake · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is a legal limit on detaining suspects without charging them, there should be a legal limit on taking their stuff without charging them. Without a time limit, it's just theft.

    6. Re:Update the constitution by sumdumass · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What does the USA have to do with this. This happened in the UK by UK agents using a UK law that was written pre 9/11.

    7. Re:Update the constitution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The implicit assumption is that they detained him for reasons related to Greenwald's publication of US secret documents. Considering the close relationship between the intelligence communties of the two countries, that seems likely.

    8. Re:Update the constitution by Spottywot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Land of the Free(*).

      *Conditions may apply.

      Yup this is the UK where we have a general belief that some freedom would be quite nice, but in reality our democracy is a bit half arsed due to trying to keep the spoiled bastards called Royalty happy, and no constitution of any kind that would let us call ourselves the 'land of the free'. No-one can really be bothered to get angry about our freedoms being constantly erroded because most of the mainstream media are already aware of the giant boot stamping on our faces and know that if they report about it then it will stamp on their faces a bit more if they do. This article is a case in point.

      On the subject of 1984 people often don't realise that the book wasn't George Orwells vision of the future, it was his view of Britain at that time i.e 1948, he just reversed the last two numbers of the year.

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    9. Re:Update the constitution by Teun · · Score: 5, Informative

      Please realise this is a country where they can and will detain you for not handing over the key for encrypted data.

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    10. Re: Update the constitution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Presumably, he was detained for leaking information against the NSA, a U.S. agency. That is what the U.S. has to do with this.

    11. Re:Update the constitution by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Informative

      However, given that the UK likely violated the European Convention on Human Rights, GP is not entirely wrong. There's definitely an issue of how legal this all was, given that:
      1. There was no suspicion that Mr Miranda committed a crime, which brings up Article 5.
      2. The only reason to seize Mr Miranda's electronic devices was to search them, again with no reason to believe that they were used for a crime, violating Article 8.
      3. The reason they picked Mr Miranda was because of his association with Glenn Greenwald, violating Article 11.
      4. And what Glenn Greenwald did was covered under Article 10.

      So yeah, Land of the Free, unless you embarrass important people or organizations in the US or UK or NATO.

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    12. Re:Update the constitution by EmagGeek · · Score: 5, Informative

      At least in the US, there is no limit to civil forfeiture. If authorities think that your possessions were used in a crime, they can take them even if you are never charged with a crime at all. This includes personal effects, possessions, and real property.

    13. Re:Update the constitution by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Used in a crime, or proceeds of a crime. Fodder for the police auction. Cars are most common, if someone drives to the site of a crime or to visit their drug dealer.

    14. Re: Update the constitution by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 5, Interesting

      He also leaked documents about GCHQ, including some quite embarrassing ones (or hopefully quite embarrassing ones) that showed GCHQ was basically being partially funded by the NSA and acted almost as a subcontractor to them. The fact that one countries signals intelligence agency might be paid for by a different one is quite amazing and their attitude of "we've gotta make sure we deliver the Americans the goods" absolutely scandalous.

      No, the British government has plenty of reasons of its own to try and kick Greenwald. Unfortunately Parliament has been much sleepier than Congress when it comes to GCHQ abuses. Hague lied in front of MPs and the entire country, and just like Clapper nothing has been done about it. Unfortunately the British Parliament doesn't seem to have an equivalent of Amash right now, so it may well be that the issue simply dies there in deafening silence. MP's are all too intimidated by the intelligence agencies to do anything about it, and sadly they have a long track record of illegal surveillance that started long before 9/11 (dating from the time of the battles against the IRA). Although Congress routinely wipes its ass with the constitution, at least it gives Americans a rallying point and something concrete to get upset over. The lack of one in the UK means it's easier for the government to walk over basic principles.

    15. Re: Update the constitution by Rougement · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Did the governments of Italy, Spain, Portugal, etc act independently when they forced the Bolivian President's jet to land?

    16. Re: Update the constitution by xaxa · · Score: 2

      Although Congress routinely wipes its ass with the constitution, at least it gives Americans a rallying point and something concrete to get upset over. The lack of one in the UK means it's easier for the government to walk over basic principles.

      We could rally round the Human Rights Act / ECHR, but somehow the mainstream media (and the Tories) have convinced lots of people that it's a bad thing.

    17. Re:Update the constitution by Cederic · · Score: 2

      The Magna Carta's been revised continually since it was written - to the extent that almost none of it is currently in law.

      The UK does however have a constitution, and the Prevention of Terrorism Act is a fucking awful addendum to it.

    18. Re:Update the constitution by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Our country (NL) soon to follow suit, if the justice minister has his way. Drugs, kiddie porn and terrorism are the biggest threats to the free west. Not for any harm these three things may cause our society to suffer, but because of the harm we permit our rulers to inflict on our rights, in the name of the war against these threats.

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    19. Re: Update the constitution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "that showed GCHQ was basically being partially funded by the NSA"

      Which, again, involves the U.S.

      Thanks for making the point.

    20. Re:Update the constitution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The RIPA act in the UK can put people away for life:

      Judge: What is the encryption key:
      Defendant: Sorry, no dice.
      Judge: That's another three years. What is the encryption key?
      Defendant: Nope.
      Judge: Another three years in the Crown's finest. Now really. The encryption key?

      So, even though it might be considered three years, its real usage can cause someone to get a life sentence without an actual trial happening.

    21. Re:Update the constitution by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Interesting

      US security agencies originally set up by UK security agencies during WWII

      Not really, the brits had spies in the Nazi party that were planted as teenagers from Cambridge decades earlier. Also google the history of "Betchly Park", it's very closely related to early computers and played a pivotal (and until fairly recently, top secret) role in the outcome of WW2. Betchly was the granddaddy of the modern UK/US secret service. The UK agencies taught the US agencies how to decode German messages, together they used this knowledge to sink the German submarine fleet, later the same methods were used to crack Japanese codes and (for example) set up the naval ambush at the battle of midway. After the war the two nations managed to keep their code breaking secrets to themselves until the 60's when allies and enemies alike realised they had been getting dressed in front of an open window.

      The two spy agencies shared the talent of men like Turing to defeat a common enemy. Signals intelligence was born and they have been tucked up in bed together ever since. Over the last few decades they have expanded their club to include rock solid allies such as Australia and Canada.

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    22. Re:Update the constitution by niftymitch · · Score: 5, Interesting

      However, given that the UK likely violated the European Convention on Human Rights, GP is not entirely wrong. ....snip....

      This was the UK and the rules in the UK are not the rules where I am.

      The single most obvious problem was the loss of property.

      For many of us the contents of our portable devices are how we make a living. Their loss is not just a casualty loss but an arbitrary tax on an individual and in some cases on an employer.

      I can ill afford to have my digital life stolen. And I can ill afford to have large capacity cloud storage that can also be stolen and taken off line with a FISA letter.

      Given the length of time this individual was detained copies of his devices could be made. Based on that there is no reason I can see to not return them.

      SUMMARY: grand theft.

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    23. Re: Update the constitution by Spottywot · · Score: 4, Informative

      No it wasn't. Orwell wrote 1984 after beeing delusional on how the communists behaved during the Spanish civil war, where he inititially fought for the communists.

      Partly correct,

      In his essay Why I Write, Orwell clearly explains that all the "serious work" he had written since the Spanish Civil War in 1936 was "written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism". [1] Therefore, one can look at Nineteen Eighty-Four as a cautionary tale against totalitarianism and in particular the betrayal of a revolution by those claiming to defend or support it. However, as many reviewers and critics have stated, it should not be read as an attack on socialism as a whole, but on totalitarianism and potential totalitarianism.

      Also partly incorrect

      His work for the overseas service of the BBC, which at the time was under the control of the Ministry of Information, also played a significant role as the basis for his Ministry of Truth (as he later admitted to Malcolm Muggeridge). The Ministry of Information building, Senate House (University of London), was the Ministry of Truth's architectural inspiration. The world of Nineteen Eighty-Four also reflects various aspects of the social and political life of both the United Kingdom and the United States of America. Orwell is reported to have said that the book described what he viewed as the situation in the United Kingdom in 1948, when the British economy was poor, the British Empire was dissolving at the same time as newspapers were reporting its triumphs, and wartime allies such as the USSR were rapidly becoming peacetime foes ('Eurasia is the enemy. Eurasia has always been the enemy'). In many ways, Oceania is indeed a future metamorphosis of the British Empire (although Orwell is careful to state that, geographically, it also includes the United States, and that the currency is the dollar). It is, as its name suggests, an essentially naval power. Much of its militarism is focused on veneration for sailors and seafarers, serving on board "floating fortresses" which Orwell evidently conceived of as the next stage in the growth of ever-bigger warships, after the Dreadnoughts of WWI and the aircraft carriers of WWII; and much of the fighting conducted by Oceania's troops takes place in defense of India (the "Jewel in the Crown" of the British Empire). The party newspaper is the times, identified in Orwell's time (and to some degree even at present) as the voice of the British ruling class — rather than, as could have been expected, a publication which started life as the paper of a revolutionary party (like Pravda in the Soviet Union). Note the lack of capital letters in the name. This is a feature of newspeak, the official party language. O'Brien, who represents the oppressive Party, is in many ways depicted as a member of the old British ruling class (in one case, Winston Smith thinks of him as a person who in the past would have been holding a snuffbox, i.e. an old-fashioned English gentleman).

      source for both quotes http://www.netcharles.com/orwell/articles/1984-background-info.htm

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    24. Re:Update the constitution by Spottywot · · Score: 2

      If you don't know how not to take things absolutely literally you probably should be reading fiction at all. On the subject there is a great book of his about some farm animals who think they should walk on two legs, I look forward to your essay on that one.

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    25. Re: Update the constitution by Capsaicin · · Score: 5, Informative

      Orwell wrote 1984 after beeing delusional on how the communists behaved during the Spanish civil war, where he inititially fought for the communists.

      Orwell never fought for the actual Communists (i.e. the Russian aligned Communist Party), he fought for the POUM (which was a Trotskyist group). The exigencies of Russian foreign policy (Stalin wanted an anti-fascist alliance with Britain and France) caused the Communists to be the conservatives on the Republican side. For example, everywhere the Communists (as opposed to various Trotskyist and Anarchist groupings) gained control, factories which had spontaneously been "collectivised" by their work force were returned to the hands of the prior private owners.

      The musn't upset bourgeois Britain and France line (the vanity of which reached it's denouement at the Munich conference) being pursued, at Stalin's behest, by the Communists in Spain was natural perceived by more radical leftists as a gross betrayal. Orwell saw it as such. Orwell too perceived the danger of the requirements of State taking precedence over the liberation of workers. I'm not sure how you think he was being "delusional?!" Disillusioned perhaps, but then he obviously didn't hold the Communists in high enough regard to fight with them in the first place.

      I recommend reading his Homage to Catalonia, not only because it clarifies the meaning of works such as Animal Farm and 1984, but because it's a damn good read.

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    26. Re:Update the constitution by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 3, Informative

      Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform Act of 2000 (âoeCAFRAâ). This requires the government to procure an ex parte warrant from a U.S. District Court upon probable cause before seizing property. Within 60 days after the government seizes property, it must send written notice of the seizure to parties interested in the property (i.e., the owner). The interested parties then have 35 days to file a claim for the property. If a timely claim is filed, government has 90 days to either indict the claimant or bring a lawsuit in federal court seeking a judgment of civil forfeiture of the property. If the government does neither, it must return the seized property forthwith.

    27. Re:Update the constitution by Dahamma · · Score: 3, Funny

      Except the "UK Constitution" is about as coherent a legal concept as the US patent system...

    28. Re:Update the constitution by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      That can happen in the US as well with contempt orders.

    29. Re:Update the constitution by shentino · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Quite right. This is the same crap the TSA can get away with on travelers who can't afford to miss a flight on a non refundable plane ticket.

      As long as what they're confiscating is worth less than the opportunity cost of missing the flight, people will give up their stuff rather than stay behind.

    30. Re:Update the constitution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      For more information about US forfeiture law abuse see this amazing article from The New Yorker last week.

    31. Re:Update the constitution by GrahamCox · · Score: 2

      It's "Bletchley", not Betchly.

    32. Re:Update the constitution by rtfa-troll · · Score: 2

      Wow. My comment gets modded down, but the one I replied to is just as wrong, yet no down-mod.

      It does seem that the original post is based on pretty thin evidence so I'll post this to give your post a little more attention (I get a Karma bonus and you would too if you logged in and posted coherently)

      And people say this site is full of righty conservatives rather than lefty liberals.

      There is a huge range of views here. Most of the mods seem to leave alone stuff they disagree with and mod up good comments. This is what you are told to do in the moderation guidelines. If you post anon, it only takes the first person to be annoyed by your comment and it's gone. In this context you haven't said at all what you meant. "One of his books" is about the most annoying way of saying it possible. Even if I look up accusations against Obama's treatment of the constitution I can't find any such thing. It would really help if you gave an actual quote and said what you think is wrong with it.

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    33. Re:Update the constitution by MickLinux · · Score: 2

      That comes under :

      Home of the brave (*)

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    34. Re:Update the constitution by 1s44c · · Score: 2

      That comes under :

      Home of the brave (*)

      So when 10 armed US police are beating down someone who did something minor but doesn't deserve a lynching how many brave people stand up for the guy getting beaten? Nobody ever does because anyone that tried would be killed on the spot.

      As far as I can remember I've only heard of that happening once when a group of UK police were beating down schoolchildren and a crowd thought the police were going too far.

    35. Re:Update the constitution by 1s44c · · Score: 2

      Let the left versis right stuff go. Both Democrat and Republican governments increase government power and screw over the population. Neither believe in the US constitution. They are both the problem.

  2. Play it their way by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yep, you're gonna get stopped. Yep, they're going to go through your stuff.

    I think a couple of Terabytes of 'Hello Kitty' videos placed on every bit of electronics that he owns should teach them the error of their ways.

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    1. Re:Play it their way by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2

      perhaps randomly permuted to suggest the use of stenography.

    2. Re:Play it their way by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

      OR, actually containing steganographically encoded JPEGs of Obama having it off with Cameron.

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    3. Re:Play it their way by VortexCortex · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yep, you're gonna get stopped. Yep, they're going to go through your stuff.

      I think a couple of Terabytes of 'Hello Kitty' videos placed on every bit of electronics that he owns should teach them the error of their ways.

      Are you insane?! They would jail him for possession of Kitty Porn!

    4. Re:Play it their way by girlintraining · · Score: 3

      I think a couple of Terabytes of 'Hello Kitty' videos placed on every bit of electronics that he owns should teach them the error of their ways.

      If they insist on calling everyone and everything a terrorist, might as well turn everything into terrorism... I mean, if you're going to be treated like a criminal, what's there to hold you back from actually being a criminal then? Distribute SDcards that melt when connected to a computer, fill up harddrives with spyware and malware... encrypt everything with incriminating-sounding names and impossibly-long keys.

      There's no deterrent to terrorism if everyone is treated like one -- it's criminal law theory 101. When everything results in the death penalty... the law effectively has zero deterrent value. Whether you steal a candy bar, or the moon, it all means the same. Zero tolerance leads to people concluding... hey, if you're gonna go at all, go big.

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    5. Re:Play it their way by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think David Miranda should travel with a suitcase full of interesting and time consuming devices. How about core memory, punch cards, paper tape, files-11 formatter shadow sets on SCSI-1 disks, RL02 disks and zip disks, just for a start?

      Also I forgot 300 baud FSK data on audio cassettes.

    6. Re:Play it their way by rastos1 · · Score: 2

      I have a harddisk in the drawer that has fallen on the floor in 1997 and makes a rattling noise when powered up. I have some very personal files there that I would love to get back ...

    7. Re:Play it their way by canadiannomad · · Score: 3, Funny

      Distribute SDcards that melt when connected to a computer

      Your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newspaper.

      Sorry it is only available on SD cards.

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  3. Waiting.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    For all the Miranda rights jokes.. c'mon, get them out the way..

    1. Re:Waiting.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      For all the Miranda rights jokes.. c'mon, get them out the way..

      In the UK, you don't have Miranda rights.

      It's up to you to decide if that's a joke or not.

    2. Re:Waiting.. by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nor do you have the right to contact a solicitor, as this is ostensibly about terrorism. Can't have the proper climate of fear with pesky lawyers running around.

    3. Re:Waiting.. by Zocalo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'll take the UK's non-existant Miranda rights over the "Menezes rights" that got applied the last time an innocent Brazilian national had a front-page run in with the UK's security services.

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    4. Re:Waiting.. by cold+fjord · · Score: 2
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  4. Games consoles? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

    "I don't always travel around the world to topple foreign governments by revealing their deepest secrets, but when I do, I have my Famicom games collection with me."

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  5. They took his electronic devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Even if he gets them back, would you trust a device that has been alone with a spook?

    1. Re:They took his electronic devices by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

      would you trust a device that has been alone with a spook?

      Not before you wash it.

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    2. Re:They took his electronic devices by LongearedBat · · Score: 2

      No. It may be haunted with malware, allowing it to be possessed, thereby turning it into a zombie device, which they could then use to lich his information. I suppose the best option ghoul'd be to restore it from a ghosted copy. I sus-spectre that they realised that he wouldn't want them back after that ghastly treatment.

  6. "Partner" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Call him boyfriend or spouse or something. Partner makes it sound like he might have been involved in the journalistic work (and detaining him would still be wrong).

    Instead, they're targetting the journalist's relationships. It's absolutely despicable.

    1. Re:"Partner" by Psyborgue · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's Glenn's own word! I'm in a civil union with my "partner" and I don't particularly mind this term. Although I agree it can be confusing, most of the time people get what you mean by context. When I marry him this November, i'll call him my "husband" but not before then. You can blame the homophobes for creating this dual tier of unions but it does exist and I might as well use the proper confusing term as much as possible to emphasize just how idiotic it was that until just recently I couldn't get married.

    2. Re:"Partner" by girlintraining · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ... you know, some of us use the term partner because we wish to emphasize our commitment to each other, instead of the sex of our lover. Especially considering that not everyone fits into the boxes of 'man' and 'woman', thus 'wife' and 'husband' are poor fits. This has nothing to do with Glenn Beck, who deserves to be tied up in a public square and everyone who wants to given a free punch to his face. Don't worry... we won't let him die. Doctors will be on hand to stitch him back together again... and we're happy to wait until he's healed up again before resuming using his face as a punching bag.

      -_- It's less harsh of a punishment than anything he's advocated.

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    3. Re:"Partner" by sribe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's Glenn's own word [theguardian.com]! I'm in a civil union with my "partner" and I don't particularly mind this term. Although I agree it can be confusing, most of the time people get what you mean by context. When I marry him this November, i'll call him my "husband" but not before then. You can blame the homophobes for creating this dual tier of unions but it does exist and I might as well use the proper confusing term as much as possible to emphasize just how idiotic it was that until just recently I couldn't get married.

      And in a written article, without any context to convey whether this is a personal or business relationship, the term "life partner" would be much better.

    4. Re:"Partner" by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Informative

      Partner makes it sound like he might have been involved in the journalistic work (and detaining him would still be wrong).

      He is involved - he was returning from a trip to Berlin to work with Laura Poitras the documentary film-maker whom Snowden also reached out to. The trip was paid for by Greenwald's newspaper, the Guardian.

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    5. Re:"Partner" by oursland · · Score: 2
      Perhaps, but in this context I thought he was referring to a journalist in which he was collaborating.

      ... you know, some of us use the term partner because we wish to emphasize our commitment to each other, instead of the sex of our lover.

      If that is the case then "husband" would be an equally despicable word.

  7. Re:Voltaire's dictum still applies by CRCulver · · Score: 2

    To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize. Voltaire

    This discussion suggests this is a spurious quote, like most attempts to lend prestige to a banal remark by attaching this writer's name to it.

  8. Ultimately self-defeating by niks42 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Surely anyone worth their salt would just put their data in the Cloud, and password-protect it? Ah, just remembered it is illegal in the UK not to remember a password when the Authorities want you to decrypt something - punishable by itself with 2 years imprisonment - not to mention obstruction and all of the other offences they could mention.

    1. Re:Ultimately self-defeating by jpublic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ah, just remembered it is illegal in the UK not to remember a password when the Authorities want you to decrypt something

      Looks like similar things happen in the US. A damn shame.

  9. Re:Voltaire's dictum still applies by VortexCortex · · Score: 4, Funny

    To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize. Voltaire

    This discussion suggests this is a spurious quote, like most attempts to lend prestige to a banal remark by attaching this writer's name to it.

    "The spurious quote, like most attempts to build prestige from mediocrity, requires attaching things to it."
    -Voltron

  10. Re:Voltaire's dictum still applies by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2

    in US v Franklin et al, Rosen and Weissman were charged with " "Conspiracy to communicate national defense information to persons not entitled to receive it", and Rosen was charged with "Communication of national defense information to persons not entitled to receive it,"

    The government believes that Assange conspired with his sources and communicated to his readers.

  11. Damn Journalists by Fuzzums · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They're the worst kind of terrorist. Fighting with Pen And Truth and using the internet as IED and WMD.

    The loyal ones write about what the government want you to believe.
    Then there is a bunch of them that write about oil spills and the banking system.
    But the worst are those that turn against their government and write the truth.

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  12. Tar, Feathers, etc by Freddybear · · Score: 2

    Some assembly required.

  13. MOD PARENT UP by forand · · Score: 2

    I agree it is just as misleading to use partner to imply ONLY a personal relationship when the facts of the matter indicate that he was both a personal partner and a journalistic partner.

  14. Obvious lesson. by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

    When traveling internationally, make backups. And don't take anything remotely incriminating - even if it means reformatting the laptop. Any data you need to work with, store online somewhere.

    And if you really want to annoy those who seek to annoy you, take the family photo album and be happy knowing that some low-level agent is going to have to spend eight hours looking through the library of pictures of people standing around.

  15. Ok, this is why Wikileaks released insurance file by colordev · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apparently Snowden (and other heroes) had decided that any disappearing family members would trigger the tripwire that leads to releasing of insurance files. Since the journalist's spouse had suddenly gone missing (for 9 hours) and the police probably did not allow any phone calls to be made during interrogation,... Showden (and other heroes) then probably concluded they were under some kind of attack or that they were being tested. So Snowden (and other heroes) did what they had to do - what's the point of having an insurance policy that you would not use.

    This is a chicken game. If many key wikileaks people would suddenly disappear, then Snowden (or other heroes) would probably release both encrypted insurance files and the encryption key to the smaller (49GB) insurance file. At least I hope that's what they are prepared to do. Then the NSA and GCHQ would probably have stopped the attack, at least for a moment, and considered the nature of payload data in the first insurance file. Based on that payload NSA might then choose to risk the release of the 349 GB file or they might stop their attack... maybe even for good. To prepare for the next attack phase Snowden (and other heroes) might again have split the remaining 349GB file into a 300GB and 49GB file - the small file being there again as a similar first response tool, but also the key to the nuclear option file (349GB) might also be released at any time.

    Basically the NSA and GCHQ had to get this message.

    This is so stupid, Snowden is obviously an American Patriot, who still isn't really seeking to harm his country... a country that is trying to harm him as much as it can. It is not very common that asylum seekers keep protecting the country that is doing all it can to harm the asylum seeker. Thus, the today's release of encrypted insurance files was probably just an expected reply to the earlier provocation by the NSA and GCHQ.

  16. Re:Not a journalist, so not protected... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Being the 'partner' of a journalist does not entitle you to the normal freedoms of actually being a member of the press

    No, but he's still entitled to the normal freedoms of being a fucking human being.

  17. Amerika the Terror State by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 4, Informative

    Papers, please.

    Brought to you by the same people who entertained you with "Destroyed the Village to Save It" and "Fighting for Peace".

    --
    "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
    Never been known to fail..."
    1. Re:Amerika the Terror State by ultranova · · Score: 2

      Papers, please.

      Every time I hear that, I remember that old Impossible Mission episode where the team is infiltrating a Soviet agent training camp only for the Soviets to start demanding papers - which, as it turns out after the commercial break, is just a training regime to prepare the agents for the American environment where the proper response to that is an angry refusal and demanding to see warrants. Because, after all, that is a very stark difference between the Soviet and American systems.

      My, how times change.

      --

      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

  18. Re:planned outrage by EmagGeek · · Score: 2

    If that girl didn't want to get raped, she shouldn't have dressed so provocatively. What did she think was going to happen? SHE WAS ASKING FOR IT.

  19. Enough with the euphemisms! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "David Miranda [...] was held for almost nine hours on Sunday by UK authorities [...] the maximum the law allows before officers must release or formally arrest the individual."

    If direct, honest language were used, rather than euphemisms aimed at making the evil sound innocuous, the news report would say that Miranda was "abducted and held prisoner" for nine hours, not that he was merely "detained" or "held".

    "Miranda was released without charge, but officials confiscated electronics including his mobile phone, laptop, camera, memory sticks, DVDs and games consoles."

    In other words, after nine hours of intimidation, they robbed Miranda of several thousand dollars worth of his personal property.

    It's clear who the criminals are here, who are the true menace to society.

  20. As an American ... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Papers, please.

    Brought to you by the same people who entertained you with "Destroyed the Village to Save It" and "Fighting for Peace"

    ... it hurts me every time people point out the truth of my country, and, it hurts me MORE when I realize that there is NOTHING I could do to change the situation

    Indeed, my country is turning, from the best country in the world, into a terrifying state

    My heart hurts, man, when I realize that, I, as an American, can't do shit to change the course of my own country

    --
    Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
    1. Re: As an American ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Nonsense. Vote small (independent) and buy small (independent). Your actions won't count for much but if everyone does this....money won't control politics regardless of the opinion of SCOTUS.

    2. Re:As an American ... by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      my country is turning, from the best country in the world, into a terrifying state

      My heart hurts, man, when I realize that, I, as an American, can't do shit to change the course of my own country

      Even more scary is that this is a British person detained in a British airport for reporting on something the USA is denying.

      --
      No sig today...
  21. There ma be a bit more here by wbr1 · · Score: 2

    Sure, holding Miranda for 5 hours smacks of intimidation, but I think what they were really after was the devices to see if he had the files. Then he could be charged with some malarkey like attempting to take national secrets to another country, and possible trump up some charge on his partner about transferring them or being an accessory. If he was carrying some sort of unencrypted backup of the data, that also lets the spook agencies have a shot at seeing how much is bluff, and how much Snowden really stole.

    --
    Silence is a state of mime.
  22. ... but if everything does this ... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nonsense. Vote small (independent) and buy small (independent). Your actions won't count for much but if everyone does this ....money won't control politics regardless of the opinion of SCOTUS.

    ..."but if everyone does this" ?

    Sir, I do not know which world you live in, but the world which I am from, the scenario that you have outlined WILL NOT HAPPEN, not when the vast majority of my fellow Americans prefer keep their sheeple status

    --
    Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
    1. Re: ... but if everything does this ... by s.petry · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Stop whining and take action. Of course nothing changes while you claim defeat and do nothing. Grow a pair already! Yes it is going to take hard work to force change. You will have to talk to people, petition, and vote.

      --

      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    2. Re:... but if everything does this ... by Sockatume · · Score: 2

      You realise that the "sheeple" you're complaining about doubtless, to a man, justify their inaction by complaining that everyone else is inactive?

      --
      No kidding!!! What do you say at this point?
  23. UK not US by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 5, Interesting

    No, not "land of the free". This happened in the UK, not the US and so far we haven't been quite so out of touch with reality to call the UK the "land of the free" - that seems to be a peculiarly american delusion. That being said I really hope that there are some mitigating facts that will come to light because, as it stands now, it is extremely concerning to see such an obvious and open abuse of power. If they are wiling to do this in plain sight what are they willing to do (or already doing) behind the scenes?

    1. Re:UK not US by nbauman · · Score: 2

      we haven't been quite so out of touch with reality to call the UK the "land of the free" - that seems to be a peculiarly american delusion.

      We read Areopagitica and all that stuff. You mean they don't really follow it?

  24. NSA Style by Beardydog · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Do you want to see my papers?"
    "No need, sir."
    "But, I could be anyone!"
    "No, you couldn't, sir."

  25. ... grow a pair ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    even after you managed to grow yourself TEN THOUSAND PAIRS you still ain't gonna do no shit to the Government of the United States of America

    they are so entrenched and they have EVERY PART of the system working for them

    plus, even if the citizenry of the USA give a fuck, who are they going to vote for ?

    i mean, what choice do they have in the polling station ?

    vote Republicans ?

    vote Democrats ?

    vote alternative ? which alternative ??

    1. Re:... grow a pair ? by rtfa-troll · · Score: 4, Insightful

      even after you managed to grow yourself TEN THOUSAND PAIRS you still ain't gonna do no shit to the Government of the United States of America

      they are so entrenched and they have EVERY PART of the system working for them

      This is what "they" have placed in your head to dis-empower you. By telling you that you can only vote for mainstream parties, the big parties avoid getting any competition. You should do it anyway just in order not to be a collaborator.

      plus, even if the citizenry of the USA give a fuck, who are they going to vote for ?

      i mean, what choice do they have in the polling station ?

      vote Republicans ?

      vote Democrats ?

      vote alternative ? which alternative ??

      Any alternative. Libertarian; Green; Californian Independence Party; Beer Party. Anything. Every vote for an alternative is a long term threat which shows people are unhappy. It builds up alternative parties by giving them money. It makes politicians from mainstream parties take an interest in your views and try to get you back. This gives a chance that change for the worse will slow.

      The worst thing is to give up.

      --
      =~ s,(.*),<sarcasm>$1</sarcasm>,g if any_point_you_wish();
    2. Re:... grow a pair ? by 1s44c · · Score: 2

      It's not a hopeless situation, it's an almost hopeless situation.

      Don't give up yet, the world has got over far worse.

    3. Re:... grow a pair ? by danbert8 · · Score: 2

      Vote any alternative! It doesn't matter. So long as your vote is counted and it is not going to one of the two major parties. If the third party vote manages to take even a measurable percentage of the total vote, politicians might take notice. Considering most presidential elections are decided by a percent or so, can you imagine what Dems and Repubs would do if third party candidates started getting even 3% of the vote? Sure, the third party won't get elected, but maybe some of their platforms and beliefs will be co-opted by the majors and change will start to happen.

      As far as getting a third party, it's impossible with a first past the post voting system. It cannot mathematically happen. In the meantime, I will vote third party even if it throws away my second choice. In my case, I am a libertarian, but would prefer a Republican in many cases to a Democrat. Fuck the Republicans. I will make them lose every election for the rest of my life until they actually figure out how to cut spending. Democrats can freely run this country into the ground before I vote for a Republican because they "aren't a Democrat".

      --
      Yes it's an anecdote! Were you expecting original research in a Slashdot comment?
    4. Re:... grow a pair ? by Nadaka · · Score: 2

      States rights are shit. The only states rights movement I have seen with any legitimacy has been the drug legalization movement. Every other states rights agenda is about tearing down equality and liberty by circumventing federal protection of the rights of citizens.

      No, what we need is a mandate that neuters the ability of states to game the federal system.

      1: eliminate the electoral college. Elect the president by a simple popular vote.
      Why? so that the vote of every citizen matters. Right now, the only people who have a voice in electing the president are those who live in contested states. A Mississippi vote for R, D or anyone else doesn't matter in the least right now because the aggregate of the state will always be R, and the same applies to safe states for D. Enacting this change can increase voter participation and turnout.

      2: eliminate congressional districts and replace with a party proportional by state house. What I mean by this: each state retains its number of seats in the house. But instead of being assigned by geographical distribution, they are split based the proportion of the vote won by each party.

      Why? congressional districts allow gerrymandering, enforcing the binary party system and disenfranchising the individual vote of every citizen. By switching to a party proportional system, we can eliminate that and also empower 3rd party options, even ones that are geographically limited, such as the Texas secessionists.

    5. Re:... grow a pair ? by superdave80 · · Score: 2

      States rights are shit.

      Your attitude is exactly why the federal government has too much power now.

  26. Too much power by lapm · · Score: 2

    Like old saying goes: Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely

  27. Re:Not a journalist, so not protected... by aristotle-dude · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Apparently he is a journalist but he is also a human being so he has human rights that stem from the fact that he is a human being.

    --
    Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
  28. Re:A youtube clip that you might want to watch by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2

    You may be surprised to see, with your own eyes, that the current POTUS has said the following "... that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties "

    Yes. Inasmuch as liberty can be divided into positive and negative freedoms, it's most useful to to think of the constitution as a guarantor of negative liberty.

    See Positive and Negative Liberty for more details.

  29. Re:Ok, this is why Wikileaks released insurance fi by oobayly · · Score: 2

    Not a bad theory, apart from the fact that Glenn Greenwald received a phone call - from a "security official at Heathrow airport.", only identified by his number 203654 - that

    [his] partner, David Miranda, had been "detained" at the London airport "under Schedule 7 of the Terrorism Act of 2000."