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US States Banned From Exporting Trash To China Are Drowning In Plastic
hackingbear writes "Not only we depend on Chinese labor for the imports but we also depend on them to clean up our mess. Being green is getting a lot harder for eco-friendly states in the U.S., thanks to the country's dependency on overrun Chinese recycling facilities since the start of China's Green Fence policy this year. Recycling centers in Oregon and Washington recently stopped accepting clear plastic "clamshell" containers used for berries, plastic hospital gowns and plastic bags, while California's farmers are grappling with what to do with the 50,000 to 75,000 tons of plastic they use each year. The Green Fence initiative bans bales of plastic that haven't been cleaned or thoroughly sorted. That type of recyclable material, which costs more to recycle, often it ends up in China's landfills, which have become a source of recent unrest in the country's south. For every ton of reusable plastic, China has received many more tons of random trash, some of it toxic. That has helped build 'trash mountains' so high they sometimes bury people alive. For a country facing environmental crisis after environmental crisis, it is no longer tenable to accept US waste exports."
I'm doing my part to keep from burying innocent folks in China!!
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As someone living in one of those states, they just need to be more thoroughly sorted, which you can barely make out of the poorly written and slanted article.
They'll have to dead head back to China with empty ships!
This story reminds me of the documentary "ShipBreakers" showing the plight of the Indian workers breaking down ships and dealing with the toxic and unsafe conditions. At one point a ship arrives that had been on a toxic list for a long time, had had it's name changed multiple times and was finally going to get scrapped in India because no other place on Earth would take it.
CBS 60 minutes did a story on it too but it was in Bangladesh and three years later than the documentary..
Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
Guys, lots of other countries use incinerators for non-recyclable stuff. You get rid of it, and get electricity and heat as a bonus. Modern incinerators are so clean, they rarely even emit visible steam.
Why is the US so allergic to incinerators?
Enjoy life! This is not a dress rehearsal.
"For every ton of reusable plastic, China has received many more tons of random trash, some of it toxic."
That's okay, the toxic stuff was all stuff they made and sold to us anyways.
No one forced the Chinese to buy the trash in the first place.
Yes, that's what was happening - the Chinese were willfully BUYING it, trying to make money by recycling it.
So get over your childish "America is teh EVUL" and grow the fuck up.
That's certainly more environmentally friendly than shipping it all the way to China so they can dump it in a hole in the ground.
Nope. This is all plastic. If it were iron, we could recycle it much more easily.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
That has helped build 'trash mountains' so high they sometimes bury people alive
Great, now I can't get the scene from Idiocracy out of my head that involves the garbage avalanche.
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Filabot craves plastic!
The answer is pretty obvious. Load up all the trash onto a rocket and launch it into space. Problems solved forever.
Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
The problem is that the more complicated you get, the less it gets done. We have a central recycling area for our small town. Giant bins with clear descriptions of the material in large, friendly type.
While most people get it right (except the plastics which do get confusing), there is a significant number of idiots that don't understand the difference between plastic and glass, between steel and aluminum. Even when you have big ex-hard drive magnets for people to test the cans on.
And then there are the plastics. At least six types, many of which look similar. Most retail products do have the number stamped on the package. Somewhere. In a font that is all of 0.5 mm tall and blurry because it's actually stamped in the plastic. I doubt anyone over 50 can actually see the stupid things without some form of magnification.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
I read a proposal where all garbage collection would be financed by a levy on goods based upon their disposal cost. While there are some real challenges in properly estimating disposal costs, it would make for an interesting incentive to create goods that are easier to recycle, and which come with less packaging.
I can see how it would also reduce incentives to innovate on the disposal end, so that would have to be taken into account. Perhaps a 50-50 split on the disposal cost.
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Time to face the music and deal with the garbage produced, instead of making it somebody else's problem.
Privacy is terrorism.
So, if you dig a really deep hole in China, do they say "You're going to dig all the way to the US."
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
That's what they want us to do, but *after* we've done some of the leg work to actually sort the stuff. Given that so many Americans put garbage in recycling bins with utter abandon, it's really no surprise the Chinese got fed up with us.
The problem with all those greenies.... throw their hands up get in the private jets that burn more feul in onme day then a family of four...
Do you have any evidence that people who are environmentally conscious are likely to own private jets? Anecdotes about one person is not evidence. Your dislike of people who say things you find inconvenient is painfully obvious.
Regarding the point of this article, your country produces an awful lot of unnecessary waste - easily the most per capita. But anyone suggesting that people produce less will be smeared as a communist greenwash faggot.(All those hilarious jokes about NPR canvas totes and "Portlandia made real")
At the moment, you find that it is better to export trash to another country across the ocean than to attempt to change your population's behaviour. Looks like you won't be doing that much longer.
It's actually quite simple.
-Prevent -Reduce -Recycle -Burn
The problem with all those greenies. They are willing to be green about everything until it becomes their turn to sacrifice then they throw their hands up get in the private jets that burn more feul in onme day then a family of four does for 10 years and say "Oh well."
Ya. Who cares what TFA says when you can just rant on "greenies" who own private jets???? I know I keep thinking I need to quit flying all my milk bottles to Asia -- one bottle per trip -- and just put it in the bin, but I'm just too entitled.
I suppose we should be glad you were even marginally on topic, you could have gone off on how the gold standard would fix everything.
I am not a crackpot.
This is /. , why isn't there some hipster maker with a kickstartr to build a arduinio-driven robot recycling bin that can sort our plastics for us?!!! It should use a dirigible to go door-to-door soliciting refuse and dispensing bitcoins, which, at the customer's option can be donated to the EFF.
the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
John Galt would have used the phrase "would have" instead of "would of".
Depends on where you dig from. I always heard that one as a kid, especially when digging a deep hole in the backyard. However, if you go from NY through the center of the earth to the other side, you wind up in the Indian Ocean not far from the southwest corner of Australia.
Since we have mandated that everyone recycle and most people do not pay for their trash pickup, we have externalized the cost of disposing of trash. If people had to pay for the disposal of their trash AND there was a financial incentive to reward them for separating out the stuff that it is economically feasible to recycle, this would work much better. I remember as a child, my older brothers would collect various recyclables and take them to the recycling center for spending money. I did it for a little bit, but before I really got a system like my brothers had going the government mandated recycling and the recycling center stopped offering money for recyclables.
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That sounds just like a levy on processes based on their carbon production - the exact kind of regulation that supports public good while enabling capitalism to work with it. In other words, exactly the kind of thing that everyone seems to hate.
It doesn't hurt to be nice.
My question is: In a time where everyone is screaming, "Green!!!", why is every little object packaged in a large plastic case 10 times the size of the little object?
Not only is it an obvious waste, it is incredibly irritating to have to break out tools to extract a purchase.
Funny experience was watching a person at an airport wrestle with a sealed package with a bluetooth headset inside. (Of course no one has anything sharp because the only good human is a helpless one) They ended up cutting their hand on the packaging before they got it open.
!!! Wait!!! Doesn't that mean that plastic packaging should be banned from airports as it can obviously cut someone?
Plastic is cheap, light, and sanitary. Going back to the old ways is going to mean some sacrifices. And people really hate making those (especially the "higher cost" bit). Not to mention that there would be a huge political push-back from the petrochemical industry (and they're an INSANELY powerful lobby).
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Here in Finland we actually have a very functional PET and glass bottle recycling system. When you buy a drink, your bottle contains a "PalPa" symbol (palautuspantti - english "return pawn" as in pawn shop) with price of the bottle. You pay this price on top of the drink when you make the purchase. Then you can return the bottle into machine at the shop that will read the bar code, recognize the worth of the bottle and print you a voucher for total value of all bottles, cans etc you return. You can use the voucher in the shop for your next purchase.
The old system which was mainly used for glass bottles was fairly complex. They had things like smell detectors used to detect if bottle was still not clean after washing cycle since you couldn't actually break the bottles - you reused the same ones. Many glass coca cola bottles sold here back then had distinct marks of wear on the outer sides where machine probably grabbed them for washing and refilling. They were apparently reused about 33 times on average before they were crushed and glass mass was reused. But the process was somewhat costly because of the smell detectors and other extra hardware needed to ensure safety of the returned bottles.
Nowadays PET bottles just get crumpled up by the machine itself and then sent to factory for melting and being recycled. According to wikipedia http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palpa they get shredded and then reused as anything from new bottles to things like raincoats, bags and even ties.
Same thing is done for aluminum drink cans (apparently we have about 96% recycle rate on cans because of it).
The general idea is that you basically you pay a bit of extra for the container when you buy the product, and you get that money back by returning it into the machine at the shop. I.e. the container is pawned to your, and you get your money back when you return it for recycling. This creates strong incentives to recycle the product rather then just put it in the trash.
It used to be that way in the U.S. too, with glass bottles. You would get 5-cents back when you returned empties to the stores. Then they were washed and reused.
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God damnit, I used WHICH INSTEAD OF WHOM, I have failed :(
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It's just a bunch of polymeric hydrocarbons... bury it in the ground until you know what to do with it.
I used to be scared of plastics, but after looking at the chemistry the only thing I worry about is plastic in the wrong place(i.e. - around a seabird or in the gyres). Sure, the polymerizing catalysts can sometimes be scary, and some plasticizers like BPA can have minor effects, but generally plastic is OK in my book.
Hell, once I understood what plastic was it became really cool. It's like they found a way to turn crap into useful products. Hydrogen and carbon...
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My question is: In a time where everyone is screaming, "Green!!!", why is every little object packaged in a large plastic case 10 times the size of the little object?
It's a theft deterrent. Keeps the dirty hippies from stealing stuff by being environmentally unfriendly and too large to stuff in their pants.
People who say "sheeple" have about as much sophistication as an AOL user, and in fact are probably actually AOL users.
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It is the Chinese sending back all that useless plastic they don't know how to otherwise get rid of.
Only I can judge you.
The 10 cent deposit in Michigan factored into college party etiquette. If you were going to a party and brought your own beer, it was considered polite to leave your empties with the host. If the hosts were able to wake from their hangover the next day, they'd return the empties and have enough for breakfast.
At least that what a friend tells me.
What doesn't kill you only delays the inevitable
Certainly hated by the gravy train industry that wants to keep things just the way they are.
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OH wow...I didn't know they did deposits on bottles anywhere any more.
I remember as a kid, gathering up bottles to trade for $ to get candy at the local 7-11 store, but they did away with that ages ago.
I thought it went away all over the US...interesting that a few states apparently keep doing that.
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Semi-humorously, since WA state banned plastic bags, the stores have used that as an excuse to start charging for paper bags. Which are completely recyle-able. As though they decided to punish the voters for doing the right thing.
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Or you could use machines like we do here in Finland at every store alcove. You simply feed everything you have - plastic bottles, glass bottles, cans - into the machine and it sorts them and gives you a small reimbursement for your trouble. Some people actually get a side income from looking for abandoned bottles to recycle.
Why expect people to do the right thing when it's easy to have machines do it instead?
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
Nope. This is all plastic. If it were iron, we could recycle it much more easily.
Hidden in your humor is root of the real problem.
Look at anything supposedly made out of recycled plastics and you see just totally ridiculous prices.
Compared to wood or steel, similar sized playground equipment, picnic tables, lawn furniture, always is at least a third more expensive, (even when purchased from the same company), just by virtue of being made out of recycled material.
Its not clear if this is predatory pricing or the actual cost of re-refinement exceeds the price of new materials. If recycled material really does cost that much more, then maybe we ought to be looking for ways to cleanly burning this material for electrical power generation, rather than make new things out of a more expensive resource.
In the mean time, modern land fills (or mountains) of bailed plastic may as good a way of stockpiling it until the recycle technology catches up. Grinding it and dumping it in the ocean is clearly the wrong way.
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