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Why iOS 7 Is Making Some Users Feel 'Sick'

dryriver sends this story from The Guardian: "The introduction of fake zooms, parallax, sliding and other changes in Apple's new iPhone and iPad software has a very real effect on people with vestibular disorders. ... It makes frequent use of zoom and slide animations; the home screen boasts parallax, with icons apparently floating above subtly animating wallpaper. And it's making people sick. Triggers and symptoms vary, but TidePool mobile app developer Jenni Leder's experience is not uncommon. A self-professed power-user, she frequently switches apps; but on iOS 7, this has caused headaches and feelings associated with motion sickness. 'I now have to close my eyes or cover the screen during transitions, which is ridiculous,' she told The Guardian, adding that there's nowhere to hide: 'It's not apps that affect me, but accessing them. Tap a folder and the view zooms in. Tap an app and it's like flying through the icon and landing in that app's micro world — and I'm getting dizzy on the journey there.' Reactions to screen-based systems — especially those utilizing 3D effects — aren't new. Cynthia Ryan, executive director of the Vestibular Disorders Association, says 3D effects can cause 'intense nausea, dizziness and vertigo,' sometimes from general vision problems, but also from visual-vestibular conflict. She added symptoms 'manifest more severely if a viewer already has a disorder of the vestibular system.'"

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  1. Can't you turn the effects off? by brunes69 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am not an iOS user, but i know in Android these effects are very easily toggleable by the user.

    1. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by bondsbw · · Score: 4, Informative
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    2. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by msauve · · Score: 4, Informative
      That does indeed look ridiculous, since it doesn't address the issue, as clearly described in the article:

      The lack of a solution is the bigger problem. Apple provides a "Reduce Motion" option within the iOS 7 Settings app, but it is poorly labelled; it merely disables the parallax effect, but doesn't stop zooming or sliding.

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    3. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm not an iOS user either, but I know that I design all of my interfaces for people with vestibular disorders.

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    4. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sometimes it surprises me how far behind Apple is from the competitors. This is essentially Windows XP again. Introducing all that shine moving thingy that marketing loves to show off but that is completely useless and only slows down the workflow.
      First thing you do as a user is to turn the animations off.

      The RDF will probably make the fans claim that this is revolutionary and that no competitor have tried to sell polished turd before.

    5. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by msauve · · Score: 5, Informative
      There you go again. Why don't you take the time to read the article?

      This wasn't the case under iOS 6. That system wasn't devoid of triggers (full-screen slide transitions being fairly common), but zooming was minimal and parallax was absent, as were gamified animation effects such as subtly shifting and sliding balloons in Messages.

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    6. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by Culture20 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The zooming and sliding is dramatically different. The zooming used to be always centered, and the sliding used to always be faster. Now the zooming comes from different angles and seems designed to induce nausea. My phone (iOS 7.02) doesn't even have the reduced motion option (possibly because ios7 doesn't do parallax on iPhone 4). And I never feel motion sick in a car or other vehicle, but my phone made me feel weird before other people mentioned it made them sick. Not nausea for me, but something.. unusual.
      I've noticed that setting "increased contrast" seem to help with the speed of the zooming and sliding.
      I've got other beefs with ios7 though, like the too-thin font for the clock on the lock screen, the annoyingly slow fade in/out, and safari constantly hiding/showing controls when I scroll a webpage (down vs up). None of which seems configurable.

    7. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, and next you will tell us you design your interfaces for women too... give me a break.

    8. Re: Can't you turn the effects off? by R.Mo_Robert · · Score: 4, Informative

      That only affects parallax in the home screen and very few other types of "motion" in the UI. It does nothing to stop the "zoom" effects that happen when you wake the device start an app, or do anything that was fine in iOS 6 but annoying now even if you don't have this medical condition because it makes you wait a second all over the place for the stupid animation to complete.

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    9. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by zippthorne · · Score: 2

      Wasn't Windows XP the most successful software Microsoft has ever produced?

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    10. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      io7 w/ iphone 4.. i have the reduce motion option.. maybe take another look?

    11. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wasn't Windows XP the most successful software Microsoft has ever produced?

      Well yes, but considering the crap that came later on, that made XP look good in comparison.

    12. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      It's supposed to be under settings->general->accessibilty
      Not there at all. You probably have a 4S. Considering how Apple eschews external model numbers, I could see how it's easy to forget which it is.

    13. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by SlippyToad · · Score: 1

      For millions and millions of dollars' profit, it would pay to be aware of such things. Apple's cluelessness is reinforced by this eye-candy design decision.

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    14. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      double kill

    15. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Same thing in Windows - first thing I do is turn off all "special" effects. They don't make me sick, but why would I want to waste a few hundred milliseconds here, a few hundred there, just to have things "animated". If I open a menu - bam, I want the menu. If I close a window, I want it gone... I don't need to have it look nice sliding in and out.

      For some of us, the appeal of "computers" is that they do what you want them to do, nothing more, nothing less (even if they had bugs, there was always a logical reason why it was doing "something you didn't ask it to do".)

      Nowadays computers are doing all sorts of stuff you don't want them to, and didn't ask them to. By design.

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    16. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by rockout · · Score: 1

      While that may be true, one could easily make the argument that that was only because the OS's immediately preceding it and following it were widely rejected by the computer-buying public, all at a point in history where pretty much everyone "had" to have a desktop or laptop, so pointing at the shiny things as the reason for its success seems an exaggeration.

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    17. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by Omestes · · Score: 1

      Well yes, but considering the crap that came later on, that made XP look good in comparison.

      AND previously, don't forget.

      Windows XP was awesome because it was better than pretty much everything before it (from MS, at least). XP, better than ME or 98 or 95, or 3.11.

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    18. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by TheRealDevTrash · · Score: 1

      No. The Walled Garden know what is best.

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    19. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by JohnJoiner · · Score: 1

      Everyone should turn these effects off, did you see what they did to Hal Jordan?!

    20. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lmgtfy:
      http://www.everyi.com/by-identifier/ipod-iphone-ipad-specs-by-model-number-family-number.html

    21. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jobs' "don't hold it that way" response to antennagate notwithstanding, Apple is one of the few companies that actually listens to user feedback and usually responds by acknowledging their mistakes and fixing them, or at least quietly fixing them. I imagine they will come out with an update fairly soon that allows the toggling of these visual effects. I haven't had a chance to check out their new phones/OS, but waiting a half second here and there is nothing compared to the seconds I wait for my crap Android phone to do anything, even flipping from one page of icons to the next. Android is to iOS what Win95 is to [insert version number of decent Windows iteration if and when that actually happens].

    22. Re: Can't you turn the effects off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you please mod this comment as -1 RTFA. It's not the parallax scrolling that is the issue. This setting turns that off.
      The issue is the zoom out (eg. When you open/close the folder).
      TL;DR
      RTFA
      not parallax. Open/close folder issue

    23. Re: Can't you turn the effects off? by M1FCJ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If one has to summarise a single short paragraph consisting of three short sentences with a TL;DR, I think humanity need to end, now, and need to pass the baton to a more intelligent species.

    24. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Jobs' "don't hold it that way" response to antennagate notwithstanding, Apple is one of the few companies that actually listens to user feedback and usually responds by acknowledging their mistakes and fixing them, or at least quietly fixing them.

      My experience servicing Apple products (desktops, laptops, handhelds) has been quite different from your assertion:

      1. Chronic problem reveals itself on new machines (wavy screens in CRT days, laptops DOA, other manufacturing/reliability issues)
      2. Contact Apple under service contract.
      3. Reply comes back from Apple that no one else is experiencing this issue so it must be one of:
      - damage in transit: contact shipper, warranty does not cover
      - AC power issues at site
      - user does not understand how to use: educate
      - meant to be that way
      - users are abusing laptop batteries
      - IT is creating install problems
      4. Back and forth with Apple akin to the 'dead parrot' skit in MPython
      5. Eventually get replacements/upgrades but only after poop hits the news wire.
      6. Apple users get working replacements/upgrades/fixes and extol virtues of Apple.

      Apple just acts like a profit-oriented manufacturer which is trying to reduce expenses. It's just a business policy. I think the front line is purposely kept in the dark about chronic issues, just my opinion. We always ended up getting the repairs covered but always a struggle.

      I've come to expect that this sort of behaviour from a number of vendors (not everyone . . ) so I'm not saying Apple is the worst. In fact I would put them somewhere in the middle of the pack. It just bothers me that so many people talk about how in touch Apple is with users and is responsive to feedback when in fact they are rather mediocre.

    25. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some game companies do because different populations have a much larger percentage of people with motion sickness issues. Japan for one. Many games have their camera movement redesigned for the Japanese market. They'd even test at Sony Japan to see if people got sick and continue adjusting until no one got sick.

    26. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by ultranova · · Score: 1
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    27. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That includes people who have had acute vestibular dysfunction related to illness, migraine, or other causes. How many people have it for a significant period of time?

    28. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Windows 7/8, the minimize animation doesn't block you in any way. I minimize a window, my next window comes into focus immediately and the minimize animation plays behind it. I'm not aware of any animations that actually block me they way they do in iOS.

    29. Re: Can't you turn the effects off? by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      It seems that "TL;DR" is often simply used as a synonym for "to wrap it up".

    30. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but waiting a half second here and there is nothing compared to the seconds I wait for my crap Android phone to do anything, even flipping from one page of icons to the next. (...more utter bullshit...)

      perhaps get a better android phone? or are you really that thick/disingenuous as to compare an iPhone to a huawei u8150?

      fucking idiot

    31. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by slashmydots · · Score: 1

      Sorry but Apple is all about style of functionality. That can't be new to you. Flash over function all day every day.

    32. Re: Can't you turn the effects off? by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      Saying someone has to be mentally ill in order to be effected by motion sickness is like saying a person needs to have physical issues in order to get into an auto accident. It makes ABSOLUTELY no sense, whatsoever.

      Get off your high horse and read the article.

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    33. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Give MS some credit for once, at least you can turn it off.

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    34. Re: Can't you turn the effects off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, spam harder, shill.

    35. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Similarly, I detest Office 2013.

      I have forbidden it at my workplace, and tell all family & friends to avoid it like the plague.
      (Sometimes it can be useful being the geek in the family)

      I realise that's an infinitesimally small dent in Microsoft's profits, but it's a dent nevertheless.

    36. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      I know it's been said before, but I still find it amusingly ironic that after one selects the "disable silly animated characters in sidebar" option in Windows XP they run a final f*****g animation of the cartoon dog running into the distance before disappearing over a hill!!

      I honestly half-suspect that this was intentional... :-)

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    37. Re: Can't you turn the effects off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You feel fine therefore everyone who claims to feel nausea must be lying.
      You're a fucking genius.

    38. Re: Can't you turn the effects off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't you show us some more of your delightful ignorance, fucktard?

    39. Re: Can't you turn the effects off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a good idea: use a word to mean something different than what it really means...
      I'm gonna start using the word fuck to mean icecream.

    40. Re: Can't you turn the effects off? by aristotle-dude · · Score: 2

      Saying someone has to be mentally ill in order to be effected by motion sickness is like saying a person needs to have physical issues in order to get into an auto accident. It makes ABSOLUTELY no sense, whatsoever.

      Get off your high horse and read the article.

      No, I'm saying that anyone who becomes nauseous from animations from opening or switching apps on a "phone" has to be using their phone for an abnormal amount of time and switching apps often which some would define as a mental disorder much like compulsive gambling, alcoholism and drug abuse.

      I actually read the article but nowhere in there is any mention of the duration of use. I am assuming that they are spending way too much time using them and possibly using their phones on a train or other form of vehicle which can make even healthy people sick with or without transition animations.

      If you are reading stationary text for a long period of time while in the back of a car, you will likely start to feel nauseous from motion sickness regardless of whether it is printed on on a screen.

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    41. Re: Can't you turn the effects off? by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1

      Why don't you show us some more of your delightful ignorance, fucktard?

      Why don't you continue to entertain us with your vast vocabulary.

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    42. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by chrish · · Score: 1

      That's akin to saying you should ignore people with colour blindness when designing your UI. Or you should ignore cultural differences in meaning when you're designing icons.

      Back when Apple (and a few other companies) actually adhered to user interface guidelines, they paid attention to these sorts of things. They're well-documented problems.

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    43. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      That's akin to saying you should ignore people with colour blindness when designing your UI.

      Even the advocate sites seem to indicate about 8 million Americans with any kind of chronic vestibular disorder (not just those affected by swooshy effects) - and that's heavily weighted toward the elderly. Think "Lucile 2" from Arrested Development. The number of people who are not only dizzy, but also affected by swooshy UIs is probably a fraction of that. TFA says that 5% of all people are affected at all by any kind of visual stimuli, and it speculates that maybe this number might be higher among people with vestibular disorders. It's hard to try to figure out a hard number, but maybe we are talking about 1 million people in the US, a significant portion of them too old for smartphones? Color blindness affects about 10 million Americans, and is equally distributed throughout the male population.

      I'm not saying that it wouldn't be nice for Apple to have a "turn off effects mode", just to be considerate - but I seriously doubt there is a business case to do so.

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    44. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

      If it was truly affecting 35% of the people over age 40 then Apple would most likely have known about the issue before now. But this seems like it is something that affects a relatively smaller segment the population.
      The more likely scenario is that some small number of people are affected in the general population and even amongst the 35% over 40 with acute vestibular dysfunction. Since most of these folks are not likely to be amongst the self selecting population of product testers at Apple who spend countless hours looking at screens with moving objects for months on end, the problem was not really apparent.

    45. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

      I think they may have ignored people with color blindness. Now the toggles just have a green color or not. There is not word indicating on or off.
      I can't say for sure if this is a problem with color blind folks, but I could imagine it might be a bit of a problem. Hopefully, someone who is color blind can comment further on this issue.

    46. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

      I preferred win2K and used it far more than XP. It is only recently that I have installed XP in a VM.

    47. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

      I preferred the window shade kind of animation.... that way, all the bars were on the desktop where I arranged them nicely. This was great in Linux...and I always made my desktop this way in windows when I had to use it.

    48. Re:Can't you turn the effects off? by tsa · · Score: 1

      I think Steve would turn in his grave at the sight of iOS 7. He always made sure the effects that were there in 'his' OS's were functional and not just for show. iOS 7 is full of showy animations.

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  2. On the plus side... by crafty.munchkin · · Score: 3, Funny
    Yes, I turned all those effects off, and it was still making me feel nauseous.

    It's now been replaced, with a brand new phone of the same configuration at no cost to myself. That is brilliant customer service, Apple. Cheers.

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    1. Re:On the plus side... by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      a brand new phone of the same configuration

      Are you saying that you now have a newer model (e.g. you went from iPhone 4S to 5 or 5S or 5C)? That makes a difference?

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    2. Re:On the plus side... by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think you misunderstood his point - whether or not the hardware was updated, it was the same interface. The interface was the problem, not the phone.

      I'm starting to think that my $125 waterproof Android phone is superior to an $800 iBling in a whole lot of ways (my daughter has an iPhone, she wants one like mine now).

    3. Re:On the plus side... by JustNiz · · Score: 2

      >> with a brand new phone of the same configuration .... so they replaced your phone with an exact duplicate? huh?

    4. Re:On the plus side... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kids always envy what the other party has.
      Back in my days, every one of my friends who had a C64 was jealous of my PCjr. Never knew why.

    5. Re:On the plus side... by Halo1 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Probably because of Apple's extremely annoying policy that you cannot downgrade iOS anymore a couple of days after they release a new version. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHSH_Blob for more details. The ability to downgrade to iOS 6.1.3/6.1.4 was disabled around 22 September.

      Since iOS 7 was only released recently, there are probably still quite a few devices with iOS 6.1.3/6.1.4 in the channel, and that person probably got such a device in exchange for his iOS 7 "upgraded" one.

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    6. Re:On the plus side... by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      You can never downgrade, it's always been upgrade only with jail breaking and hacks.

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    7. Re:On the plus side... by Halo1 · · Score: 1

      As long as Apple still signs the older iOS version, you should be able to downgrade (even via iTunes). See e.g. http://www.iphonehacks.com/2013/06/downgrade-ios-7-to-ios-6.html . You could call it a hack, but since it's standard iTunes functionality I don't think it really is.

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    8. Re:On the plus side... by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Yes, I did misunderstand. "Cheers" was sarcastic, I now assume... I thought the OP was saying that he got a newer phone that somewhat made it better.

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    9. Re:On the plus side... by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      Are you comparing the subsidized price of an android phone to the unsubsidized price of an iPhone?

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    10. Re:On the plus side... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I turned all those effects off, and it was still making me feel nauseous.

      Apple refused to send a replacement, brand new or otherwise, because there was "no hardware failure". That is atrocious customer service, Apple. Cheers.

      Fixed that for you

      iPad 3, UK (the call centre that dealt with it was in Ireland, but the supervisor didn't quite sound Irish).

    11. Re:On the plus side... by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "btw. what decent smarthone has this pricetag? none?"

      Every one you don't get through a middle man and get directly from the manufacturer in China.

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    12. Re:On the plus side... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      > Probably because of Apple's extremely annoying policy that you cannot downgrade iOS anymore a couple of days after they release a new version.

      I wonder if Apple's stance will ultimately be "just use it, you'll get used to it". We've heard that stance from another manufacturer recently.

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    13. Re:On the plus side... by sir-gold · · Score: 1

      > Probably because of Apple's extremely annoying policy that you cannot downgrade iOS anymore a couple of days after they release a new version.

      I wonder if Apple's stance will ultimately be "just use it, you'll get used to it". We've heard that stance from another manufacturer recently.

      What do you mean "will be"? This has ALWAYS been Apple's stance, ever since the old Mac Classic days. They have always had the attitude that their products are absolutely perfect right out of the box, and adding any configuration options would ruin this perfect experience.

    14. Re:On the plus side... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Has our collective memory already disregarded the classic Jobsism?

      "You're holding it wrong"

    15. Re:On the plus side... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Because it was new and shiny.

      You had one and they didn't.

      Greed is never satisfied.

    16. Re:On the plus side... by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      The iphone 5 with 16gb is +/- 516 euros here in the Netherlands (cheapest price)
      The Galaxy S4 with 16gb is +/- 486 euros here (cheapest price) (and bigger screen and better specs)
      Both unsubsidized, but Mcgrew is a known troll, so don't take him too seriously

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    17. Re:On the plus side... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      No, my phone wasn't subsidized; I'm not on a contract. $45 a month unlimited everything, price goes down $5 with every 6 on-time payments. Bought it after my feature phone's screen broke off, $125 on my card. I can switch carriers tomorrow with no penalty whatever.

    18. Re:On the plus side... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he's comparing a dated, low end Android phone like you would get from a prepaid carrier with a subsidized iPhone. If you're comparing only the interface, it's a legitimate comparison.

    19. Re:On the plus side... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man you are proud of yourself, why dont you tell us how many facebook friends, twitter followers and instagram whatever-the-are-called you have too? as if that will make any difference with regards to the correctness of what you say. You might also bring up that you have a much lower UID, since that is a sure proof that what you say is right and the other is wrong.

      Only a troll would need to explain why they are not a troll - nobody else would get their tits in a knot over being called one.

    20. Re:On the plus side... by crafty.munchkin · · Score: 1

      They replaced the 32gb 4S running iOS 7 with a 32gb 4S running iOS6.1.3 and that makes a large difference.

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    21. Re:On the plus side... by crafty.munchkin · · Score: 1

      It makes a big difference if you actually go to the store - which may or may not be an option for you.

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    22. Re:On the plus side... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      So, what now? "You're looking at it wrong"?

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    23. Re:On the plus side... by mdielmann · · Score: 1

      Yes, I turned all those effects off, and it was still making me feel nauseous.

      It's now been replaced, with a brand new phone of the same configuration at no cost to myself. That is brilliant customer service, Apple. Cheers.

      Ah, that reminds me of the old line: I said it was an upgrade, not an improvement.

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    24. Re:On the plus side... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's exactly right. I've witnessed over 100 people switch to Macs at home because I "forced" them to use a Mac at work along with PCs. Some of those were quite combative at first. Within six months a good 85% of my coworkers were frustrated with Windows and within a year at least half of them switched. It's true - "just use it" is the best education any of them ever got.

    25. Re:On the plus side... by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      And I rest my case.

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    26. Re:On the plus side... by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      I have an ipad and an iphone that says different.
      I have ios 5.2.1 on the ipad & iphone, and the original was ios 6.
      Haven't updated to 6.0.1, yet.

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    27. Re:On the plus side... by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      No, he's comparing a dated, low end Android phone like you would get from a prepaid carrier with a subsidized iPhone. If you're comparing only the interface, it's a legitimate comparison.

      It's not necessarily only the interface. Does it do everything you need it to? If so, does it do it more conveniently than an iPhone?

      iOS's biggest advantage over Android is its I/O syncing. Music apps (virtual instruments and recording) don't run well under Android because of lag. (Or at least never used to. Google may have sorted this by now.) I'm staggered by the power of my iPad Mini, and I can't imagine myself ever needing that much grunt in a phone. The latest and greatest iPhone is guaranteed to be objectively "better" by all hardware metrics than almost every Android device, but that doesn't mean it's going to do what you need done any quicker than a cheaper device.

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    28. Re:On the plus side... by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, this does not hold for vestibular disorders.

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    29. Re:On the plus side... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Welcome to an elite club, freak.

    30. Re:On the plus side... by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      I would turn to them and tell them that software accessibility is a legal requirement and that iOS7 is therefore currently not compliant with either the UK Disability Discrimination Act or the Special Education Needs and Disability Act, or indeed EU laws, and that they are obliged to provide you with something which does not trigger your medical condition.

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    31. Re:On the plus side... by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Only a troll would need to explain why they are not a troll

      So, what you're saying is. It's obvious he's not a troll, so he doesn't need to explain it.

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    32. Re:On the plus side... by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Steve did try it on pancreatic cancer. Didn't work, though.

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    33. Re:On the plus side... by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

      Yippie... 9 years and you will pay nothing for unlimited everything.
      Cheers... wish I had that kind of deal.

    34. Re:On the plus side... by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

      Bummer about the iOS7 for you.
      Good thing you could get a replacement with iOS6.
      Perhaps once they allow you to turn all the movement stuff you will be able to install iOS7 if you liked anything about it.

    35. Re:On the plus side... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      It bottoms out at $35. Still a great deal, beats the hell out of AT&T. A phone like mine (waterproof Kyocera Android Jellybean), $50 signup fee and first month's payment is about $200 total. All it's missing is a front facing camera (the rear facing one is pretty good, 5.5 megapixels). Boost Mobile, I've been with them for years and are happy with them.

    36. Re:On the plus side... by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      Why thank you :)

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    37. Re:On the plus side... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      You're welcome :)

  3. And it's of course Apple's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Not a cheap stab at all. Now we just need to ban all first-person shooters to achieve complete political correctness.

    1. Re:And it's of course Apple's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Okey, this might not have any relevance at all, but I thought that it was quite funny, so I decided to post a little anecdote. Quakeworld - a quake 1 'mod' - tends to give me motion sickness if I'm not used to it. It takes approximately 3 weeks to accustom to its effects. Watching demos, though. Playing takes about 1 week. Quake 3 on the other hand gave me another kind of motion sickness, but only the Quake3 final. Quake3 test 1.08 was simply fine and impressive. None of the above stated effects. To pick a winner, Wolfenstein gave me perhaps the worst motion sickness from all the games I played/watched. I could go on but this rant is ridiculous enough as it is, later. :>

    2. Re:And it's of course Apple's fault by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Okey, this might not have any relevance at all, but I thought that it was quite funny, so I decided to post a little anecdote. Quakeworld - a quake 1 'mod' - tends to give me motion sickness if I'm not used to it.

      These guys need to get accounts or I need to get mod points. Apple should have known better, considering that this effect was known fifteen years or more ago; I had a fairly popular Quake site back then (1998-2003) and got quite a few emails from readers talking about this in Quake II, and bigger sites than mine were covering it as well.

      Research fail on Apple's part. Hubris or stupidity? Both?

    3. Re:And it's of course Apple's fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, it is right around Quake I that I stopped playing the FPS games.... because of that.

    4. Re:And it's of course Apple's fault by nojayuk · · Score: 1

      The way to find out about this sort of problem is to field-test the late beta design, run it through a lot of focus groups, power users and grannies and teenagers, folks with visual handicaps etc. and then analyse the data and revise the design if necessary before releasing v1.0 to the public. Of course if you want to keep the look and feel of your GUI a close secret it's difficult to do that but it gives some important folks a chance to stand up on stage and say "and just one last thing..."

    5. Re:And it's of course Apple's fault by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      > Research fail on Apple's part. Hubris or stupidity? Both?

      Jobs isn't around anymore.

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    6. Re:And it's of course Apple's fault by darnkitten · · Score: 1

      My question is: why don't the manufacturers imitate the way eyes actually work?

      Use a bit of motion at first, a flick (maybe motion blurred) to the approximate final location, and then a minimal amount of settling-down to finish the glance/move. A look around or slide could use a few flicks/jumps instead of an unnaturally smooth scroll, which would disrupt the sickening feel.

      It might not be the best for FP games where the player is wanting to catch every detail, but in others, it could increase the psychological realism (ie., being able to better use corner-of-the-eye, dimly-glimpsed or thing-in-the-shadows effects. It would certainly improve UI controls, and might even provide the optical illusion of faster operation.

    7. Re:And it's of course Apple's fault by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      A simple Google search (or maybe the wayback machine) would have told them.

  4. I for one welcome our new vomit-inducing Overlords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    What Would Jobs Have Said?
    Love him or hate him, heads would have rolled.

  5. Disable option? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    Is there really no way to disable the animations? Could you customize the wallpaper to be a single colour so there is no visible movement?

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    1. Re:Disable option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Except that doesn't disable animations. All it does it removes the parallax effect as clearly mentioned in the article.

      The lack of a solution is the bigger problem. Apple provides a "Reduce Motion" option within the iOS 7 Settings app, but it is poorly labelled; it merely disables the parallax effect, but doesn't stop zooming or sliding.

    2. Re:Disable option? by BitZtream · · Score: 0

      Yes, and yes.

      You can turn off parallax in the settings, which makes it pretty much like previous versions of iOS.

      You can also set the wallpaper to any image you want.

      This story is just some douchebags blog, using iOS to get people's attention and page views

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    3. Re:Disable option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any blog that talks about iOS is a douchebag blog. It is aimed at people that use apple.

    4. Re:Disable option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, and yes.

      You can turn off parallax in the settings, which makes it pretty much like previous versions of iOS.

      No, it doesn't, which everybody who took the time to read the article before discussing it know.

    5. Re:Disable option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, maybe these billions and billions of motion-sick people... shouldn't have upgraded?

    6. Re:Disable option? by Khyber · · Score: 1

      DISABLE, not reduce, moron. Go back to school.

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    7. Re:Disable option? by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, maybe these billions and billions of motion-sick people... shouldn't have upgraded?

      Would have been nice to know ahead of time. When friends ask if they should upgrade, I point them to the articles regarding motion sickness, and the warning that you can't go back once you upgrade. But that doesn't help the huge mass of people who upgraded before the problem was noticed.

      What kind of company Apple has become will be clearly delineated by their reaction to this. They could release a patch that allows you to easily shut off the animations (not just "reduce"). Or, they could deny the problem and tell people you're looking at it wrong. It'll be interesting to see which response they choose.

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    8. Re:Disable option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would have been nice to know ahead of time.

      If they bothered, they would have known.

      There were several ways: there was the Beta, there were demos at the stores, and there's the common wisdom that one never upgrades to a version ending with ".0"- Let everyone else DL it, and see how they do. ...or, you could just not bother to research it, yet jump on it the day it is released, then bitch and whine about the problems it has.

    9. Re:Disable option? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Not everyone is a geek. There are millions of users out there that don't have the depth of understanding in electronic devices to make those kinds of decisions. When your community is largely made up of geeks, it's easy to forget this.

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    10. Re:Disable option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can turn off parallax in the settings, which makes it pretty much like previous versions of iOS.

      Wrong. I would have figured you of all people would at least know a thing or two about Apple products. "Pretty much like" is still causing people to get sick without the parallax with the changes to the zooming and sliding animations between 6 and 7.

    11. Re:Disable option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly how much "depth of understanding in electronic devices" does it take to look at a demo in a store before buying (or in this case, downloading) something new??

    12. Re:Disable option? by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Exactly how much "depth of understanding in electronic devices" does it take to look at a demo in a store before buying (or in this case, downloading) something new??

      To do that, not a lot. To understand that you should do that, perhaps more.

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    13. Re:Disable option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any nongeek (and many geeks) will see "version x+1 is available" and simply update (and they should be safe to do so) in thise case even the police of some cities were out saying "it is good to update, much more secure". what is a regular joe going to do? I fully agree that a lot of geeks - just read the comments on this article - think that the everage joe knows electronics and can make any kind of judgment on the UI based on a demo model (yeah, someone with a phone will trot down to the local applestore to check out the updates before trying? hell no, they press update inbetween mouthfulls of breakfast and find out they get dizzy when they are texting in their car on the way to work). the narromindedness of some people in subcultures can be staggering :(

    14. Re:Disable option? by crafty.munchkin · · Score: 1

      I actually did trial it on a colleagues phone. Looked good, I liked it - definitely didn't make me feel ill - hence why I downloaded and installed it. What I didn't expect, and couldn't have reasonably been expected to know, was that using the phone with iOS7 while on the train to and from work would make feel like I'm going to chuck. I don't normally get nausea or motion sickness, I play FPS games a lot and don't get that effect - but using iOS 7 on the way to and from work really did make me feel unwell. Even with the settings for reduce motion turned on.

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    15. Re:Disable option? by antdude · · Score: 1

      I thought it was possible to downgrade by restoring from an old backup from the computer?

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    16. Re:Disable option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is seeing a demo of something before you buy it is considered 'advanced' shopping or something?? Who doesn't do that?

    17. Re:Disable option? by skegg · · Score: 1

      +1 Wise

    18. Re:Disable option? by skegg · · Score: 1

      Spot on.

      Apple churns-out some kick-ass products; but we also know how proud they can be.

      I'm sure Apple would love to ignore this issue, but if it gets more coverage in the mainstream press I'm sure they'll quickly (and quietly) release an update.

    19. Re:Disable option? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually did trial it on a colleagues phone. Looked good, I liked it - definitely didn't make me feel ill ...using the phone with iOS7 while on the train to and from work would make feel like I'm going to chuck.

      Sounds like the issue is with the train, not the iPhone.

    20. Re:Disable option? by roc97007 · · Score: 1
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    21. Re:Disable option? by antdude · · Score: 1

      Thanks and that sucks! :(

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  6. Somebody took a bite of the apple by larpon · · Score: 1

    ...and now I feel sick too!

  7. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're looking at it wrong.

  8. Re:I for one welcome our new vomit-inducing Overlo by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Funny

    What Would Jobs Have Said?

    "They're looking at it wrong." "Apple products just aren't for everybody." etc.

    This is the guy who wanted all media apps to look like the current trend (at the time) brushed metal of stereo gear, but I thought skeuomorphism was dead under new Apple?

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  9. Classic vs iOS7 Slider ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple needs to add two sliders to the Settings:
    Disable Animations OFF - ON
    Layout Style Classic iOS vs iOS7 Fisher Price addition

    Why is Apple copying the look and feel of MS WinPhones ?

    1. Re:Classic vs iOS7 Slider ? by QuantumLeaper · · Score: 0, Troll

      When does Apple not copy someone else?

    2. Re:Classic vs iOS7 Slider ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Why is Apple copying the look and feel of MS WinPhones ?"

      The only place you see Windows phones are on 'Under the Dome'.

    3. Re:Classic vs iOS7 Slider ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, they're not copying anything from WP 7/8. Second, WP 7/8 is a vastly superior UI to everything else from Apple or Android. Too bad that despite a superior product, the "derp derp I luv teh Linux in Android" and "hur dur Apples don't get virii like winbloze" marketing has left WP out of the market. Also, plenty of blame shithead developers in the mobile industry. Never have I met such half assed, entitled to wealth developers than in the mobile market. They're worse than website photoshop template monkeys who call themselves 'web developers' and 'WordPress gurus'.

      Personally, I do use Android because I can get the best hardware for the buck there. I wish I could pay a licensing fee to Microsoft and install WP 8 on my Android hardware.

  10. So glad I haven't upgraded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I decided to at least wait to upgrade to iOS7, after the pre-launch pictures made it look like the cum rag after a clown orgy. Perhaps if they fix some things in the next point release, including letting people go back to iOS6 style look-and-feel settings, then I'll upgrade. Not until.

    I've found I have to not upgrade any apps, either, as all of them are moving to the flat style icons. Meanwhile, I can try to figure out how to move all the stuff I have in iTunes to Android equivalents, because that's looking like the way to go for the future.

    1. Re:So glad I haven't upgraded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As of 7.0.2, still no way back. Even worse on iPhone 4, there is no Reduce Motion option. Must be only for iPhone 5.

    2. Re: So glad I haven't upgraded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The description of the Reduce Motion feature in iOS is "Reduce the motion of the user interface, including the parallax effect of icons and alerts". This option affects the motion of the wallpaper as the device is tilted, a feature not available on the iPhone 4.

    3. Re: So glad I haven't upgraded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4s has it

  11. Re:I for one welcome our new vomit-inducing Overlo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Blame it on Jobs all you want, but if he said it, Apple users would have been parroting the same thing within hours.

  12. Patent Violation by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm pretty sure this is a violation of Microsoft's patent on Software as a Sickness.

    1. Re:Patent Violation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take away the 'l' in slickness = sickness.

    2. Re:Patent Violation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now you made me snort coffee over my Macbook...

  13. Yes you can turn it off. Next story please. by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Funny

    YES you can turn them off in the settings in iOS7. By the way the next version of Android will have a screen lock wallpaper of hypnotoad. You can turn it off but strangely you feel compelled not to. Everyone would be talking about this but hypnotoad tells them not to.

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  14. Re:What? Give up my iPhone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    TidePool mobile app developer Jenni Leder's experience is not uncommon. A self-professed power-user...

    She's a mobile app developer. Why would she give up a phone whose users comprise the bulk of her earnings. Android users don't buy as many apps. I would say that makes you the "dumbass".

    Where she falls down is first, didn't she have the developer versions to test, and second, why didn't she report it back then.

  15. Apple makes me feel sick as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's when I look at the price tags for Apple products compared to similarly specced non-Apple hardward that I begin to feel sick knowing how gullible the American public has become.

    1. Re:Apple makes me feel sick as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you can explain how the $199 subsidized iPhone is more expensive than the $249 subsidized Samsung S4 - same or better specs (worse performance).

  16. why did they put an industrial designer in charge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Johnny Ive may be a genius at engineering airflow through amazingly small cases and whatnot but he doesn't know dick about interfaces apparently...

    Bring back Scott Forestall!

  17. Amateurs by gweihir · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is not new. Apple does not seem to have any competent GUI people anymore, just "designers". And of course, competent testing would have found that problem. I expect in a while we will be hearing that thy did know this but management did not took it seriously. Like the the one time where Apple management thought thy knew more about antenna design that the guys that do it for a living.

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    1. Re:Amateurs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's right. Steve Jobs personally designed the iPhone antenna.

    2. Re:Amateurs by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      That's right. Steve Jobs personally designed the iPhone antenna.

      I'm pretty sure that even in the Jobs days, Apple had more than one manager.

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    3. Re:Amateurs by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      And of course, competent testing would have found that problem.

      I don't think Apple does a great deal of real world testing on their products, in order to keep them super secret until the day of release. The new animations were not in the early previews of iOS 7 IIRC. Also, the only test that really mattered was if Steve Jobs liked it.

      This tends to backfire quite often. iPhone 4 antenna issues, Apple Maps, and now this.

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    4. Re:Amateurs by BasilBrush · · Score: 0

      And of course, competent testing would have found that problem.

      Beyond the internal testing they did, betas of iOS7 were available to all iOS developers for 3 months. And there are literally hundreds of thousands of registered iOS developers.

      And yet this issue has only come out 2 weeks after general release of the OS.

      It's pretty obviously something that only affects a small number of people. And hasn't come up as a significant issue in testing. But now it has come up, it will doubtless become an option in some future software release.

      If it was on any other OS it probably wouldn't even have become news. But all things Apple are news, because it's good for click-baiting.

    5. Re:Amateurs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple is a fashion-company, not a tech-company. Testing is irrelevant since people buy their products regardless

    6. Re:Amateurs by closer2it · · Score: 1

      They are looking at it wrong! ;)

    7. Re:Amateurs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is nothing new. My first job after University was programming for MacOS 9. I still feel sick just thinking about it!

  18. Arrested app development by agendi · · Score: 1

    Lucille Austero was an iPhone user?

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  19. Apples solution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

        You're not holding it right!

  20. Why all of a sudden? by Latentius · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not to be insensitive to people with vestibular disorders, but why is this the first I'm hearing about this? OSes from Windows to OSX to Linux to Android, etc. etc., have employed various zooming/sliding/wobbling/parallax animations for years now. I've only played with iOS 7 that smallest bit, but is it really so different from everything else that's it's causing a sudden wave of heretofore unseen motion sickness?

    1. Re:Why all of a sudden? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's FUD manufactured by Samsung's marketing consultants...

    2. Re:Why all of a sudden? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is the same problem many of us have with first person shooters. If you've heard people complain about getting motion sick while gaming, you've heard of this before.

    3. Re:Why all of a sudden? by c · · Score: 5, Informative

      Not to be insensitive to people with vestibular disorders, but why is this the first I'm hearing about this?

      In a nutshell, vestibular disorders are weird and the triggers are subtle. Certain movements won't bother most people, but if you smooth them out, adjust the speed, tweak the effect, things get weird.

      I went through an episode of labyrinthitis (an inner ear problem) a few years ago, and it was crazy what would and wouldn't trigger problems. For example, I could watch videos of someone running a dog in agility, but first-person video of any kind was nasty and when that tsunami trashed Japan, I nearly hurled trying to watch footage of the waves on Youtube. I could actually run my dog in agility, spinning and sprinting and and dodging and pretty much anything physical while standing up, but being in a moving vehicle or even just bending over... ugh.

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    4. Re:Why all of a sudden? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In general, it's worse when the effect covers a larger amount of the region you're paying attention to visually. In this case, it covers the entire screen, which is awful. There are movement effects in (for example) OSX but they are basically always against a fixed background. That's not true in iOS 7 according to TFA, where you get effects like the whole screen sliding or zooming, with acceleration and deceleration and realistic parallax effects. These effects are intended to evoke the feeling that the user is moving (as opposed to the feeling that objects are moving around on the screen), so it's not surprising that they trigger people who have what is effectively the worst case of motion sickness imaginable.

    5. Re:Why all of a sudden? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      in none of those does it really happen that much in normal workflow.

      you probably know a bunch of chicks who can't even watch someone play a 3d game though..

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    6. Re:Why all of a sudden? by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, other operating systems and interfaces have implemented similar effects. But Apple implemented them everywhere possible. Just unlocking the screen causes a zoom-out-to-your-previously-opened-app effect. I can't say that it makes me sick, but it can be disorienting and distracting. It's definitely a case of effects for effects sake.

      There isn't much you can do on the system without triggering some 3d effect.

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    7. Re:Why all of a sudden? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) ios6 had zooms, too. Where were all these people then?? It reminds me of people who complain of getting sick because of a new wifi system in their office... only to find out the wifi had been on for weeks/months already (with no symptoms on their part), and the symptoms only started when they were informed of the wifi being there.

      2) If people are sensitive to perceived motion, then perhaps,- and I'm just throwing this out there, understand?- perhaps they should be careful what devices they buy/own, and what software they use on said devices.

      So, equal parts of 'overblown' and 'their own darn fault'.

    8. Re:Why all of a sudden? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      In a nutshell, vestibular disorders are weird and the triggers are subtle. Certain movements won't bother most people, but if you smooth them out, adjust the speed, tweak the effect, things get weird.

      I discovered, back when Doom came out in the 90s, that it didn't take much for games with a lot of motion - especially FPS - to induce motion sickness. I've sometimes had the same issue when I watch a movie in a theater.

      But iOS 7 hasn't bugged me at all.

      I am not intending to discount the experiences of the people reporting this, because I know how uncomfortable motion-induced nausea can be. But this has to be a very tiny percentage of iOS users.

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    9. Re:Why all of a sudden? by whisper_jeff · · Score: 1

      Not to be insensitive to people with vestibular disorders, but why is this the first I'm hearing about this?

      Because now it's about Apple and the iPhone and that generates page views and drives advertising. Now it's a real story where, before, it wasn't.

      I'm guessing you already knew the answer but I'm stating it to make it official.

    10. Re:Why all of a sudden? by aiken_d · · Score: 0

      It's part of the chess match. Samsung creates pretty much identical,perhaps even better UI based on iOS. Apple looks at what will be hard to copy and determines that deep GPU integration in the core OS just isn't going to work in the permutations of CPUs that Samsung has to support. Apple finds a way to use these features to marginally enhance the OS experience, but in a flashy way that can be sold in TV commercials and just looks cool when people are in a phone store.

      Now you're Samsung: do you spend a ton of money/effort trying to clone these effects, or do you first see if you can convince people that they are actually a bad thing? I know what I'd do.

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    11. Re:Why all of a sudden? by dimeglio · · Score: 1

      I personally have motion sickness and can't even go to those rides that synchronize seat movement to the screen. Yet, iOS 7 doesn't trigger this at all. The iOS parallax effect is barely noticeable. The zoom-in zoom-out is no worse than seeing a fast zoom effect on TV. Not sure what's wrong with those who feel sick with iOS 7 but there's a simple fix Apple can make to solve the problem.

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    12. Re:Why all of a sudden? by c · · Score: 1

      But this has to be a very tiny percentage of iOS users.

      With Apple's sales, a very tiny percentage of iOS7 users is a heckuva lot of people. If the iOS7 versus iOS6 changes increased that number by, say, a factor of five, you might be looking a decent size city worth of people suddenly finding iOS uncomfortable to use.

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    13. Re:Why all of a sudden? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, exactly. And it is not out of the sudden. It is simply wrongly designed. I am in IT for years and yet, I do not remember such extensive use of such effects in UI. Apple just went out of its company philosophy. Design is now ruling instead of serving. Shame on you Apple, you have stolen me money I paid you for my iP5!

    14. Re:Why all of a sudden? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most OSes allow you to disable these "enhancements" either wholesale (by selecting a simpler window-manager/desktop-environtment) or selectively in the configuration. this is not news and every hardcopy game i can remember since the 80s have had warnings about prolonged play or if you are sensitive to such effects.

    15. Re:Why all of a sudden? by Half-pint+HAL · · Score: 1

      2) If people are sensitive to perceived motion, then perhaps,- and I'm just throwing this out there, understand?- perhaps they should be careful what devices they buy/own, and what software they use on said devices.

      Ah, the old "go find another pub - we're not fitting a wheelchair ramp" argument.

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  21. hypnotoad says you are a liar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YES you can turn them off in the settings in iOS7. By the way the next version of Android will have a screen lock wallpaper of hypnotoad. You can turn it off but strangely you feel compelled not to. Everyone would be talking about this but hypnotoad tells them not to.

    hypnotoad told me to say that.

    1. Re:hypnotoad says you are a liar by S.O.B. · · Score: 4, Funny

      I, for one, welcome our new hypnotoad overlords.

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    2. Re:hypnotoad says you are a liar by jimmydevice · · Score: 1

      hypnotoad, hypnotoad. what is hypnotoad?

      oh,wait... never mind ........
      hail hypnotoad

  22. A week with the iPhone 5s... by SternisheFan · · Score: 0
    Eric Zeman posted his views on the iPhone 5s, I'm pasting his article below...

    Eric Zeman | September 28, 2013 09:06 AM

    I've spent a week using the Apple iPhone 5s as my primary device. In general, it is a solid effort on Apple's part, but it is not without its faults. Here are some of the strong points and weak points I've observed over the last seven days.

    iOS 7 is a bit buggy on the 5s. I've installed iOS 7 on an iPhone 5, an iPad 3, and an iPad Mini. It runs best on the iPhone 5 and iPad Mini. On the iPhone 5s, iOS 7 is prone to app crashes. Third-party app crashes aren't too awful, but when native apps such as the Settings Menu and Safari crash, you know something's not right.

    The hardware is fine, if unexciting. The 5s is a solid little device. Apple designed it with care and everything about it exudes quality and class. The display is great, even if it is smaller than I'd like, and the small form factor makes it easy to carry around and use.

    It's not the best voice phone. I've been testing an AT&T model of the iPhone 5s and am not impressed with its phone calls. I heard lots of interference and the earpiece speaker doesn't get quite loud enough. The speakerphone produces plenty of volume, but it also amplifies the interference. The iPhone is a better voice phone.

    The battery hasn't given me any trouble. The first few days were a bit iffy, but that's true of most smartphones. Once the battery cycled through a few charges, it settled into a good rhythm. I routinely got a full day out of it, despite heavy use. It's worth noting, though, that the battery cannot be removed or replaced, so you're stuck with what's sealed in the iPhone 5s.

    The camera is great. The new software, combined with the improved sensor, go a long way toward making the iPhone 5s one of the best camera phones available. The camera app is simpler to use and includes more features, such as burst mode and slow-motion video capture, and the results are on par with today's best devices. The improved gallery app is far more powerful when it comes to organizing photos, and some of the editing tools are a welcome addition.

    iOS 7 is still inflexible. Apple's simple smartphone/tablet user interface may win usability awards, but it is nowhere near as flexible or customizable as Android or even Windows Phone. The inability to control exactly where apps are positioned is frustrating, and the lack of resizable home screen widgets and apps leaves the OS looking too homogenous. I'd love to see some truly dynamic content on the home screen.

    Control Center is convenient. Apple's new dashboard for controlling some of the iPhone 5s's features is a big help. It makes simple tasks such as turning on and off the Wi-Fi or Bluetooth radios a breeze. I also like the fact that it includes controls for the music player as well as apps like the flashlight, calculator, timer, and camera. This is definitely a time saver, considering that it took several steps to reach many of these controls in previous versions of iOS.

    There's plenty to like about the 5s, but at the end of the day it offers only a slightly different experience than last year's iPhone 5. The Touch ID fingerprint sensor is the biggest difference. The camera and processor improvements in the 5s, though very real, aren't all that much better than the iPhone 5. We can only hope that Apple will make significant changes in next year's iPhone 6.

    Link: http://www.informationweek.com/hardware/handheld/apple-iphone-5s-my-first-week/240161890

    1. Re:A week with the iPhone 5s... by BitZtream · · Score: 2

      You really shouldn't repost articles from other websites in their entirety. You've just taken advertising dollars away from information week, and indirectly from the authors pocket, and given them to Dice, and indirectly, idiots like Timothy lord.

      That's lose - lose all the way around.

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    2. Re:A week with the iPhone 5s... by SternisheFan · · Score: 2

      Point taken about reposting an article in it's entirety. Thank you for enlightening me.

    3. Re:A week with the iPhone 5s... by Xest · · Score: 1

      But on the flip side I didn't have to use up energy to click a link to the actual article and deal with ads in my face.

  23. It's a feature~ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    To stop idiots from looking only at their iphones for hours while walking and even driving.

  24. Body is incompatible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sorry, your body has been found to be incompatible with this Apple product, please upgrade your body before continuing.

    1. Re:Body is incompatible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe they're just using their bodies wrongly?

  25. Re:I for one welcome our new vomit-inducing Overlo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Ah--they want everyone to feel nauseous like Steve Jobs was.

    When are they going to patent this effect?

  26. Test in Heavy Traffic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Awesome, all we need for those that text and drive.

  27. That's why they hire fashion designers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I really don't know why so many geeks are holding out for Apple... Apple is all about pretentiousness, they only care about how stuff looks. Should we really care about those stupid animations that only slow down everything you do? That consume more battery while achieving only this WOW effect when you first use the device? The only reason for Apple to use some "new" technology is to wow people into their shitty walled iGarden. They hired the CEO from Yves Saint Laurent for gods sake...

    1. Re:That's why they hire fashion designers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aspergers Revealed!

  28. Gratuitious animations by jtara · · Score: 4, Informative

    As usual on /., many commenters above failed to either read the article or actually try it themselves.

    You can turn off the background paralax effect. But, really, that is quite subtle and not that objectionable. I turned it off, simply because I figured it eats CPU, GPU or both unnecessarily.

    The new animations are gratuitious - they don't seem to serve any useful purpose. They are just plain silly-looking. Home-page icons now fly-in from all different angles. Drag a page, and now you are no longer dragging a skewmorphic piece of paper, but a skewmorphic sheet of silly-putty - drag at the right side, and the page warps, your finger "stretches" the right-hand side of the page. This kind of stuff was all the rage on Linux desktops - about 5 years ago. By now, everybody still running Linux has gotten tired of it and turned that nonsense off. The "bounce" now has a "warp" effect as part of it as well - the page deforms when it bounces.

    It's like playing a bad ho-hum video game where they amped-up the effects because of lack of compelling content.

    No, you can't disable these effects.

    I'd imagine that if there is a medical issue with this, it is worse on iPad, because it fills more of your field of view when you are using it.

    Well, yes you can. You can downgrade to a device that Apple has deemed incapable of rendering these effects. I think you need, say, an iPhone 4.

    Apple seems to have become recently brain-dead when it comes to practical aspects of UI. And I hate to say it, but it must be due to Ivy, because they were quite good about it before. He is really, really good at designing appealing surfaces and finishes and packaging. UIs, not so much.

    Another example of the non-functionaly of the new UI - buttons. It seems now that many buttons have absolute NO feedback that you have pressed them. I imagine the concept here is that the button is meant to perform some action, and the action itself is the confirmation that the button was pressed.

    (Of course, a button is a skewmorphism, and we don't want skewmorphisms, right? So, I guess I shouldn't say "button" but "that word that's a bit bigger and fatter than the other words, and is off by iteself, that if you touch it something happens"...)

    Somebody should have telegraphed that message to the poor developers who were given the impossible task to insure that the "action" happens soon enough for the user to connect their touching something on the screen with the "action" - regardless of the amount of work the action might take, and, oh, regardless of any other background processing that might be going-on in the device. Well, actually, I suppose somebody did, and those developers probably now feel like shit for having failed, even thought they could not have possibly suceeded.

    1. Re:Gratuitious animations by petsounds · · Score: 3, Informative

      The new animations are gratuitious - they don't seem to serve any useful purpose. They are just plain silly-looking. Home-page icons now fly-in from all different angles.

      Just because you don't understand the design philosophy behind iOS 7 doesn't mean the animations don't serve their purpose. The idea behind iOS 7 is to convey depth levels of content, to provide cognitive breadcrumbs about where you're going and where you just came from both in terms of inter-app navigation and within the system UI. Home icons don't "fly in from all different angles", you zoom into and out of the icon you launched or backed out of. Contrast this with previous versions of iOS where you it always zoomed straight into the middle of the screen. You can argue as to the efficacy of the animations in providing visual cues about where in the hierarchical stack of information you are, but they are in no way done without purpose.

      Drag a page, and now you are no longer dragging a skewmorphic piece of paper, but a skewmorphic sheet of silly-putty - drag at the right side, and the page warps, your finger "stretches" the right-hand side of the page. This kind of stuff was all the rage on Linux desktops - about 5 years ago.

      Sorry, what? What part of the system or Apple apps animate in this fashion?

    2. Re:Gratuitious animations by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Home icons don't "fly in from all different angles", you zoom into and out of the icon you launched or backed out of.

      And each icon is in a different location on the screen, so the zooming is "from all different angles".

  29. Re:What? Give up my iPhone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I stopped beta testing for Apple when the firmware bricked my phone for a month and a half in which neither Apple nor the carrier wanted to hear anything from me: beta means at your own risk. It was the best way to learn about Android.

  30. AHahahahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Poor Apple! Don't you realize all these GPU-intensive effects are the bulk of the issue that slows down iOS7 on the older phones? Add a toggle to turn of the slide/zoom and suddenly those poor, cripplingly-slow 4G handsets appear to survive the new OS transfer rather well. Leading to 4G users who won't trade up their model because they think it's slow?

    Bitches thought they could make money slowing down oldphones with silly untoggleable effects and incentivizing users of a perfectly good phone to upgrade it. Proof in the pudding is yanking the rollback option - who the fuck doesn't allow a downgrade?

    Sweet, sweet chocolately crunch legacy karma.

    1. Re:AHahahahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bitches thought they could make money slowing down oldphones with silly untoggleable effects and incentivizing users of a perfectly good phone to upgrade it. Proof in the pudding is yanking the rollback option - who the fuck doesn't allow a downgrade?

      Does Windows 8 run on a 386? 486? Pentium? Pentium Pro?

      Does Mountain Lion run on a Mac Plus??

      Face it- newer software (and OS's) do more, and require more in terms of hardware. Get over it.

  31. Just by cosm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    First world problems.

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    1. Re:Just by Lincolnshire+Poacher · · Score: 2

      First world problems.

      And yet here you are commenting on them. Shouldn't you be digging a well in Tanzania?

    2. Re:Just by RedBear · · Score: 5, Insightful

      First world problems.

      Having vertigo so bad you can't even stand up without vomiting or at least falling over, much less walk or drive a vehicle to or from any kind of employment, is not the sort of easily dismissible non-problem to which that phrase is usually applied. Vertigo-induced nausea is a real, life-impacting and difficult to deal with medical issue. And you'd all better hope someone figures out exactly why this is happening and how to prevent it before someone starts putting visual interfaces like this in moving vehicles. The last thing we need is drivers on the freeway suddenly having vertigo from glancing at their in-dash navigation screen.

      But more to the point of my subject line: There is something totally bizarre happening here. The parent comment is a prime example of a sort of (for lack of a better word) "anti-compassion" that seems to have been triggered by this story. It's like a push-button that makes normal human beings explode with derisive hatred. Even the /. editors appear to be on the bandwagon. Notice how they've put quotes around the word "sick" in the article title (even though the actual news stories do not quote that word), implying that there is no actual sickness involved, and the byline is "from the you're-not-supposed-to-eat-the-phone dept.," implying that the user has to do something monumentally stupid to deliberately invoke the effect, such as staring at the phone for 10 minutes while moving it around to trigger the parallax motion. Neither of these implied things is true in the slightest. The sickness is quite real, and easily-triggered in seconds for some of those affected.

      I happened to be reading MacRumors yesterday when this story showed up in their sidebar. I checked it out and was absolutely appalled at the level of rage and vitriol in the comments that were being up-modded to the main article page. The forums were not much better. About 90% of the comments were from people who were expressing outright hatred of the "pathetic" "losers" who had dared to say that their precious iPhones were making them sick. I thought maybe there was so much backlash against the victims of nausea because it was a Mac-related forum. But coming here to /. where there is plenty of Apple-hate to go around I now realize this issue triggers a gaping primary defect in both human logic and compassion. The comments here are largely identical to the MacRumors forum posts; blaming the victims and/or unequivocally dismissing the problem as something that is either imagined, totally unimportant or completely fabricated. A large portion of the population appears to be constitutionally incapable of believing or acknowledging that this issue is real or serious, simply because it hasn't affected them personally. And it seems to go far beyond the usual "I got mine so screw you" type reaction. It's more like "I don't see the problem so FUCK YOU YOU'RE NOT FIT TO LIVE GO DIE IN A GAS CHAMBER!!!!ONE!!!!". By the way that's almost a literal quote of some of the posts I saw on MacRumors. I don't even have the imagination to begin to exaggerate what I've seen posted.

      The reaction I've seen in both of these forums is so extreme it's actually kind of terrifying. It's so far outside of my realm of understanding that it is literally giving me the shakes because it strongly implies that even after decades living on this planet I don't understand what makes the average human tick AT ALL. It's no wonder I've never liked associating with more than two humans simultaneously. Y'all SCARY. Irrational doesn't even begin to describe it.

      If I was a neurologist or psychologist I could probably get a grant to study this phenomenon.

      Final note: Even as I took the time to compose this post the dismissive parent comment went from a score of 1 to +4, Insightful. Is it because most people have never experienced debilitating motion sickness and thus cannot believe it's real? I don't know, and that's what spooks me.

    3. Re:Just by dimeglio · · Score: 1

      I feel the same was about how liberals are treated on conservative boards in the US. I think, respectfully, you need to lurk more.

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    4. Re:Just by cryptoluddite · · Score: 0

      The reaction I've seen in both of these forums is so extreme it's actually kind of terrifying. It's so far outside of my realm of understanding that it is literally giving me the shakes

      I get seasick reading in a moving car... so I don't read in a moving car.

      These transitions don't happen except by user input... so just don't look at the screen when you do something that causes these transitions.

      Is it because most people have never experienced debilitating motion sickness and thus cannot believe it's real? I don't know, and that's what spooks me.

      The reaction is so disparaging and heartless because the people with the problem, even if real, are massive whiners.

      "I now have to close my eyes or cover the screen during transitions, which is ridiculous," she told The Guardian

      These people have an easy solution and it is really just pure whining. It's first world problem. These complaining are histrionics, like your "literally giving me the shakes" is.

      You know what makes me mad? Those people having so little sympathy for the blind, deaf, paralyzed, or others with *real* problems to overcome that they think their complaints are anywhere nearly on the same level.

    5. Re:Just by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      But more to the point of my subject line: There is something totally bizarre happening here. The parent comment is a prime example of a sort of (for lack of a better word) "anti-compassion" that seems to have been triggered by this story.

      Totally bizarre? You must be new here - it's absolutely bog standard for Slashdot.

    6. Re:Just by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      Even as I took the time to compose this post the dismissive parent comment went from a score of 1 to +4, Insightful. Is it because most people have never experienced debilitating motion sickness and thus cannot believe it's real?

      I think the "First World Problems" comment was more about iOS7-induced motion sickness than motion sickness in general.

      An obvious solution would be not to use a cell phone that causes motion sickness. So this is only a 'big problem' for people who believe that they absolutely must use iOS7 -- i.e. people with an entitled "first world" mindset.

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    7. Re:Just by RedBear · · Score: 1

      The reaction I've seen in both of these forums is so extreme it's actually kind of terrifying. It's so far outside of my realm of understanding that it is literally giving me the shakes

      I get seasick reading in a moving car... so I don't read in a moving car.

      These transitions don't happen except by user input... so just don't look at the screen when you do something that causes these transitions.

      Is it because most people have never experienced debilitating motion sickness and thus cannot believe it's real? I don't know, and that's what spooks me.

      The reaction is so disparaging and heartless because the people with the problem, even if real, are massive whiners.

      "I now have to close my eyes or cover the screen during transitions, which is ridiculous," she told The Guardian

      These people have an easy solution and it is really just pure whining. It's first world problem. These complaining are histrionics, like your "literally giving me the shakes" is.

      You know what makes me mad? Those people having so little sympathy for the blind, deaf, paralyzed, or others with *real* problems to overcome that they think their complaints are anywhere nearly on the same level.

      Thanks, you've provided another wonderful example of the completely hyperbolically irrational hatred that this simple story has triggered. No one has been claiming that their phone is blinding, deafening or paralyzing them, nor are they claiming that their motion sickness is somehow life threatening. They're just saying the phone is giving them motion sickness. It's a really simple, non-threatening statement. And if the issue doesn't affect you it makes ZERO sense that you felt compelled to come here filled with anger and call people you don't even know "massive whiners". The so-called "solution" of not looking at your phone while you use it is idiotically ridiculous. That's like telling people who have a cough to stop breathing as a "solution".

      Do us all a favor. Go look in a mirror and say, "Dude, what the fuck is wrong with you?" Do it until you figure it out.

    8. Re:Just by philovivero · · Score: 1

      Birds, when ill, will feign being perfectly healthy right up until they drop dead. Many humans, when ill, will feign being healthy until they can no longer hold up the façade and fall over unconscious.

      Most animals, when witnessing another similar animal that is very ill, will react with revulsion and fear.

      It's prossibly* a result of a few millions years of natural selection. Those who stay away from their brethren when ill tend to live, whereas those that stick around and contract the disease tend to die and/or limit their reproductive potential.

      I think a lot of the scary shit humans do comes down to these sort of innate psychological traits. They're left over from an era that no longer exists and is largely irrelevant (not entirely irrelevant, see Norovirus and Influenza etc etc).

      *prossibly: it was a typo that I decided, as a sexual descendant of possibly and probably, was a good word and deserved to live.

    9. Re:Just by RedBear · · Score: 1

      Even as I took the time to compose this post the dismissive parent comment went from a score of 1 to +4, Insightful. Is it because most people have never experienced debilitating motion sickness and thus cannot believe it's real?

      I think the "First World Problems" comment was more about iOS7-induced motion sickness than motion sickness in general.

      An obvious solution would be not to use a cell phone that causes motion sickness. So this is only a 'big problem' for people who believe that they absolutely must use iOS7 -- i.e. people with an entitled "first world" mindset.

      It does not meet the definition of "entitlement" when you paid hundreds of dollars for a device that worked just fine for a year or more until it was "upgraded" to iOS 7. It is you who seems to feel entitled to demand that potentially hundreds of thousands of iOS device owners be forced to give up using the devices they paid good money for, just because of a software update. These are not just brand new devices we are talking about. The new update has now been loaded on at least 250 million older iOS devices, and it is technically difficult to downgrade to iOS 6 now that Apple has stopped signing older versions of the operating system.

      Even if only one-tenth of one percent of iOS device users are affected by nausea when using iOS 7, we're talking about possibly as many as half a million people by the time most of the market gets around to upgrading their devices to iOS 7. That's half a million people you are DEMANDING should immediately stop using the devices they purchased. That is completely unreasonable in my book. Some people use iOS devices as part of their employment now, as point-of-sale terminals and electronic clipboards and in various other capacities. Should those people be forced to find new jobs? What gives you the right to make such demands of even a single person, much less hundreds of thousands?

      And again, if you have not personally experienced the nausea, what precisely compels you to come here and heap hatred upon those who do? This article shouldn't have even been a blip on your radar. Nevertheless you were compelled to come here and insist that the people referenced in the stories are nothing but first world entitled whiners.

      As I was saying in my earlier post, this simple news story of a few people stating that iOS 7 gives them motion sickness and headaches seems to have a hugely disproportionate ability to ignite a burning ember of rage and righteous derision within at least three-quarters of the population, and it makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.

    10. Re:Just by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      I don't know where you saw me DEMANDING anything. I merely agreed that this is not such a big problem. At worst, you have to downgrade your iOS phone back to an older version, or refrain from upgrading it to iOS7 in the first place. Or maybe you even have to trade it in for another model.

      Sure, it's inconvenient, but it's not going to cause you to starve to death, or cause your children to die of dysentery. Hence, it's what they call a first-world problem.

      As far as "burning ember of rage and righteous derision", re-read your own post, I think you'll see it there.

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    11. Re:Just by RedBear · · Score: 1

      I don't know where you saw me DEMANDING anything. I merely agreed that this is not such a big problem. At worst, you have to downgrade your iOS phone back to an older version, or refrain from upgrading it to iOS7 in the first place. Or maybe you even have to trade it in for another model.

      * Huge sigh. *

      You are absolutely demanding that people shut up, stop bothering you with what you see as a frivolous complaint and do one of three things, as you specify above:

      1. Downgrade to iOS 6, which at this point requires jailbreaking the phone. Apple quickly stopped signing older versions of iOS once iOS 7 came out, so it is not easy to downgrade. This is outside of the realm of what most people would be willing or technically able to do. Thus, an unreasonable demand, and in no way a solution.

      2. Refrain from upgrading to iOS 7. This requires hundreds of millions of people to be perfectly informed of potential issues before choosing to do the iOS 7 update, which by the way is now being PUSHED by Apple to millions of iOS 6 devices. Not automatically installed, but pushed as an automatic download and the users are being prompted to install it. Why shouldn't they listen to Apple and install the update? Without these news articles how would anyone even know this problem exists? Again, demanding something unreasonable of hundreds of millions of mostly non-technical device users, and thus not a solution.

      3. Trade in the device for another model. Since another Apple device would of course come with iOS 7 installed also, what you are demanding in this case is that people stop using Apple devices entirely, ignoring the fact that if they wanted a non-Apple device they probably already would have purchased one in the first place. Even if people wanted to do this, you don't usually just walk in with a used device and pick up a new one for free, so you're demanding that they spend money to solve a problem not of their creation. Nor is it even close to painless to move one's ecosystem of information and apps from one platform to another. Again, not a very reasonable "solution" for most people.

      Sure sounds like a lot of demanding to me. You don't seem to be happy to just let people continue using their iOS 7 devices while complaining to Apple to fix a problem that Apple created and which didn't exist with any previous version of iOS.

      Sure, it's inconvenient, but it's not going to cause you to starve to death, or cause your children to die of dysentery.

      And again, total hyperbole that came from nowhere besides your own imagination and has nothing to do with the story. There isn't a single news article that claims this is a widespread or in any way life-threatening problem (although I refer you again to the possibility that someone could be driving in traffic and have vertigo induced by glancing at their phone or even a passenger's phone during a screen transition, which could end up being pretty damn dangerous). But in the published news articles there were simply statements that some people were getting headaches and nausea from iOS 7. Simple statements that had nothing to do with starvation, dysentery, blindness or paralysis. Yet everyone reacted to the story as if the people quoted were actually complaining of such things when they clearly just find it a pain and want Apple to fix or provide a way to disable all the animations. What is the big problem with that? How is that unreasonable in any way? It's not.

      Hence, it's what they call a first-world problem.

      You misunderstand the way the meme/phrase "first world problem" is used on the internet. It is applied to such things as being bored for five minutes when going to the bathroom because you forgot to take your iPad with you, or not being able to change the TV channel because you're too lazy to lean forward and reach for the remote. In other words, it is a joke applied to things that are unequivocally NOT problems AT ALL. Period. Thus the or

  32. Apple by fox171171 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't have a vestibular disorder, but Apple products have always made me sick. Or is it annoyed? Yeah, I think that's the word I am looking for.

  33. So what? by RamiKro · · Score: 1

    Many visually impaired individuals can't use anything but a terminal off a refreshable braille display... Are we to ban all GUIs now?

    1. Re:So what? by janek78 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You're missing the point. It's not that we should all get down to the lowest common denominator, it's about having useless visual bling (that is annoying and distracting even for a healthy person) that serves no useful purpose and CAN'T BE SWITCHED off making the phone unusable for people with a medical condition.

      Again, the solution is not to force everyone to use a static UI, it's to give people the choice. Which is something Apple never does, I guess because then there would be people who switch it off and then complain that it does not work. I am an iPhone 5 user recently switched from Android and while the phone works just fine, I sorely miss the ability to actually customise anything.

    2. Re:So what? by narcc · · Score: 1

      Oddly enough, the iPhone has the best accessibility solution for blind and visual impaired users on the market.

      I don't know how that happened either. It must have been an oversight.

  34. Bling by gr8_phk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Those "features" are nothing more than visual bling. This suggests Apple is running out of great ideas and resorting to fancy instead of functional? I can name a whole list of UI features that would be awesome and seem innovative, while actually doing useful stuff easier.

    Parallax? That's so Angry Biirds.

    1. Re:Bling by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Those "features" are nothing more than visual bling. This suggests Apple is running out of great ideas and resorting to fancy instead of functional? I can name a whole list of UI features that would be awesome and seem innovative, while actually doing useful.

      Like Android's Active Desktop... Er, Live Wallpaper?

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    2. Re:Bling by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Or Apple's Active Desktop... Er, Live Wallpaper... Er, Dynamic Wallpapers?

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  35. Iphones make me nauseous too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but it's not because of the 3d effects.

  36. Funny, never noticed it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Been running iOS since early beta and didn't notice the parallax effect for "still" backgrounds until.... This article pointed it out. Now it's impossible to miss.

  37. The wiki reason some users feel sick by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    IPhones use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-width_modulation (PWM) to dim its display cycling on and off rapidly above the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flicker_fusion_threshold not only is this annoying and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asthenopia inducing to some it is wholly unnecessary.

    What is happening with the animations at certain brightness levels http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_cycleof the PWM creates a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonance
    with screen movements shadowed by the moving appendages. You can see this effect by turning down brightness on your monitor and waving your finger rapidly in front of the screen. If you see distinct fingers rather than continuous blur through the motion you too are being made http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasicknessby the effect of http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cut_corners. The solution is to jack up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminance to 100% until your phones battery melts into a pool of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithiumlithium ions...no seriously just turn off the stupid animation feature. So much whining can be avoided with so few seconds of googling. Just take my advice and stay off the crack formerly known as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia.

  38. Re:Gratuitious hypochondria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yah, what is really funny is that when a Linux desktop does wobbly windows nobody gets ill, but when Apple does it, there is no end of hypochondriacs coming out of the closet.

  39. Re:Gratuitious hypochondria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When Linux did wobbly windows, everyone complained and now they're gone. What's your point? Did your iDildo get stuck too far up your ass?

  40. Re:Yes you can turn it off. Next story please. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    whats a...
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  41. Re:What? Give up my iPhone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...or just don't update to ios7. I mean, no one forced them to. Now that they have, they're stuck. Oh well.

  42. I know where the vertigo is coming from by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    Because trial lawyers can see down into the deepest pockets on Wall Street.

  43. "U/X" budget justification by globaljustin · · Score: 1

    I turned all those effects off, and it was still making me feel nauseous.

    Maybe it was all the other B.S. "U/X" crap that you cannot change...like the emaciated font for the lock screen time/date

    The reason is "U/X"...or more specifically, to justify all the money they budgeted for 'user experience designers' in the design process.

    Everyone knows the user is the most important part of the equation and that 'good design' is good. After that, its like debating the definition of 'feminism' at a gun show. There is absolutely no guiding *science-based* ontology to digital design. There are attempts, sure (looking at you Ben Shneiderman) but it is far too abstract to formalize.

    The trend now is to have a "U/X" division sort of grafted into existing development pipelines of large companies. Like a sort added appendage. They spend millions hiring these grads with tech degrees but no actual design work experience. The result is essentially a bunch of psychobabble that describes common design decisions that are handled somewhere else in the process. It's a trainwreck. Here's why:

    "U/X" is just a continuation of the industry's tendency to recycle concepts with new nomenclature every time anti-user design becomes industry standard.

    They spend the money so they have to justify its existence. It comes from the project leaders, who have to justify every budget item to the big big bosses (accountants). Hence these animation features and such are all by default turned 'on' and not easily disabled.

    Putting the user first is easy. Microsoft (and a host of others) **know** what the user wants. That's not the problem. The problem is their business model! They have to bottleneck features (reduce usability) in order to profit somehow. Facebook is the same with user data. Their IPO lists 'user privacy initiatives' as a threat to revenue.

    Don't get me started on what passes for 'usability research' in Silicon Valley. People talk like "A/B testing" is some sort of hot new tech thing...it's not...in the research science world the types of "A/B" tests companies like Apple and Microsoft do to test their products on everyday users is mind numbingly reductive and small scale.

    It's all a product of bad management and flimsy academic science.

    The *real* usability innovation is in crafting business models that do not require bottlenecking features to coerce the user.

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    Thank you Dave Raggett
    1. Re:"U/X" budget justification by globaljustin · · Score: 1

      to your general comments on U/X, it is of course more of an art than a science. But then most things that involve creating things are

      I didn't make any 'art vs science' distinction. I'm talking all about the *science*

      And how in corporate tech design, "U/X" uses the language of science but is not...that's the problem...

      The underlying assumption that science = good, art = bad is not a good one

      I think this relates to your misunderstanding, or maybe I'm wrong...I honestly dont' know what you mean by the above statement...help me out?

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      Thank you Dave Raggett
    2. Re:"U/X" budget justification by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      The underlying assumption that science = good, art = bad is not a good one.

      You get the science right before you worry about the art. Or rather you should. That's the problem with the whole UX fad.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  44. Microsoft Zune & Windows Phone had this for ye by kriston · · Score: 2, Funny

    Microsoft Zune & Windows Phone had this parallax feature for years. It was on the first Zune HD back in 2009.

    Why didn't we ever hear about people getting sick on their Zunes and Windows Phones?

    Oh, wait, nevermind.

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    Kriston

  45. Me too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would be sick too if I spent $600 on a phone.

  46. Social Advertising Engineering at it's Finest! by TechnoGrl · · Score: 0

    The "IOS 7 is making me sick" campaign is a brilliant example of social advertising engineering by a competitor. I began seeing the "sick" posts in various Apple related forums about a week ago and noticed them immediately because of their unusual (imho) wording. Now it's gone to /. and the Guardian apparently. Bravo M$oft or Samsung (or whomever) ! Someone in marketing should get a raise for this.

    In the meantime, no Guardian reporter (or anyone else it appears) appears to question why IOS 7 is apparently responsible for a rash of nausea yet we have no epidemic of people vomiting while playing video games.

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    ----- In Your Cubicle No One Can Hear You Scream...
    1. Re:Social Advertising Engineering at it's Finest! by TechnoGrl · · Score: 0

      I must also add - one should question why none of the literally tens of thousands of users during the four month Beta fell ill to the mysterious IOS7 induced "nausea". This "illness" only appeared shortly after the product was actually released.

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      ----- In Your Cubicle No One Can Hear You Scream...
    2. Re:Social Advertising Engineering at it's Finest! by tapi0 · · Score: 1

      ... yet we have no epidemic of people vomiting while playing video games.

      There's a multitude that feel sick playing certain games, as another poster pointed out above - what's a trigger for one individual may be perfectly ok for another who is sensitive to another motion. It's been noted for years, but it's now just like car sickness - you don't hear it reported every time someone feels sick in a car now.
      I have a friend who definitely does throw up when retrying FPS and finally gave up; so most people just know and don't buy/play the game - but in this case the cause of the symptoms has been pushed onto a device they may have been using happily for a while with no ill-effects. Definitely news worthy?
      In an appropriate turn of events, it's been reported now because the effects are, for the first time, being used extensively "... on a mobile device"

  47. Me, too by forrie · · Score: 1

    Thankfully, I don't have any of those disorders, but I did experience disorientation for a about 3 days or so, getting used to the UI motion. I still don't care for it, even when you reduce it in the preferences, it's still comes across as flashy, like an annoyance. I'm actually not a big fan of the interface redesign. Overall, my experience of this phone (5S) is not like going from a 3GS to 4S. It was neat, but not exciting. Apple can (and should) do better.

    Judging from the reaction to the UI, it seems like they make a lot of assumptions about customers and what they want.

  48. Sheesh by Krigl · · Score: 1

    Just switch the fancy effects off, dummy. Oh, wait, it's Apple, nevermind. And that kids is why some of us stick with Linux, no matter how quirky and buggy can sometimes interface (mis)behave.

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  49. Re:What? Give up my iPhone? by flimflammer · · Score: 1

    As much as I find Apple a disagreeable company, you really should have known better than to install a beta-quality OS on your phone. I don't think Google would have personally done any different in this instance, though it may have been easier to reverse yourself.

  50. Snowblind, too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The new photo viewer's insanely bright white background will make you snowblind, too. Apple needs to give you an option to go back to the black background...!!!

    1. Re:Snowblind, too! by narcc · · Score: 1

      Hear, hear!

      Some people are sensitive to light. I have the brightness on my phone turned almost all the way down. People ask me why the screen is so dim, but it looks awful bright to me.

    2. Re:Snowblind, too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fashion have always been about "one size fits all" and if you are not that "size" then you are a nobody. (god i wish i was sarcastic)

  51. Re:I for one welcome our new vomit-inducing Overlo by niftydude · · Score: 2

    What Would Jobs Have Said?

    "They're looking at it wrong." "Apple products just aren't for everybody." etc.

    Heh. He would have gone on to explain that Apple makes premium products for premium people, and if you are susceptible to motion sickness, then perhaps you are not worthy of owning the Apple brand... :-)

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    You can never know everything, and part of what you do know will always be wrong. Perhaps even the most important part.
  52. Re:Gratuitious hypochondria by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because since Linux is open, you can switch to thousands of different UIs or disable the animations altogether. Apple's philosophy of "we know what users want better than they do" continually proves to be a terrible burden on users due to lack of flexibility.

  53. We are turning into wimps by Kuruk · · Score: 1

    Whats next. Loud voices make people cry.

  54. Internet vectored infection! by mpaque · · Score: 1

    This could become worse than the Dancing Plague of 1518 or the June Bug epidemic of 1962!

    Worse, this shows every sign of being a hysterical contagion, capable of being transmitted over the Internet and infecting it's victims through contact with their computers, tablets, and smartphones!

    The good news is that I know of a possible cure, and if I can reach my Kickstarter goal of $500,000, I can begin work on a treatment for the unfortunate victims...

  55. Re:Yes you can turn it off. Next story please. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nope, you can only switch off the parallax. Other "great" effect stays with you...

  56. Gold Plated Turds causing headaches !!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Form over function - its what selling Gold Plated Turds is all about.

    When Im trying to get something done with my computer I dont need stupid distraction from the excremental bells and whistle these companies think they need to produce. But then in reality these things are largely just toys to most of the users.

  57. Welcome to my world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple devices have always made me feel nauseous, even before being switched on.

    The simplest solution is to simply avoid Apple products. You can argue about a lack of competition but I'm submitting that the lack of an Apple device is an improvement on ownership of such a device.

  58. Will some od those users go deep sea fishing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With me so that I may catch your limit to while you pray.

  59. Really? How long does it take to get sick? by aristotle-dude · · Score: 1
    Even if you have a "disorder", how can a second long transition into an app make you sick? How long are these people using their phones and why are they constantly switching apps?

    Who are these people? Are they trust fund babies? Do they not work for a living? Do they not have classes?

    Put down the phone and do your work and/or course work. It might be that your body is trying to tell you something. You are an addict and you need to go outside and interact with regular people instead of wasting your life on Facebook and/or twitter. Seriously, get a life.

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    Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
  60. Re:Microsoft Zune & Windows Phone had this for by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    Why didn't we ever hear about people getting sick on their Zunes and Windows Phones?

    Because it was a commonly accepted feature of Microsoft products?

  61. I'm waiting for the first Epileptic Lawsuit by fast+turtle · · Score: 1

    It's been known for some time that visual effects can and will induce epileptic seizures in some individuals and once this update causes one, there will be a lawsuit against Apple. Oh well, Apple does design some decent hardware but in this case, the idiots need to be forced to use the new effects rapidly until they puke their guts out or die from a Gran Mal seizure,

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  62. Re:Yes you can turn it off. Next story please. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clementine, a Gnome music player has the hypnotoad sound, you can set it as background sound. Strange enough, the other ambient sound is that of rain, and an album picture replacement with kittens.
    Not a joke, look it up.

  63. iOS is a valuable diagnostic tool ! by ToddInSF · · Score: 1

    People who don't know they have the disorder can now get checked-out. It's a feature, not a bug !

    You can turn all that stuff off, right ?

  64. This is news? by terrywirth5 · · Score: 1

    Plugging in an infernal Apple-approved cable into an infernal PC and dealing with iTunes in order to update or access a file made me sick a long time ago.

  65. Fuck... These.. People... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, intending to be insensitive.. I'v seen this article playing out in major news media and all i can read it as is "not everyone likes the iphone"

    IT'S A GODDAMNED SMARTPHONE.. NOT OBAMACARE!!!! YOU ARE NOT ENTITLED TO A HAPPY IOS EXPERIENCE.

    Shut the fuck up, buy an android device and save your energy to complain about relevant things like illiteracy, religious oppression and domestic violence.

  66. Re:Microsoft Zune & Windows Phone had this for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I heared that the guy who bought a Zune was getting sick by the interface. He never complained because, well... Would you make sure everybody knew you paid money for a Zune?

  67. Re:Yes you can turn it off. Next story please. by Wild_dog! · · Score: 1

    Personally, I like the parallax and the other zoomy things.... but I don't have a phone that will do iOS7.... looks nice though.

  68. DIMS by Quila · · Score: 1

    We had a term for it: Doom Induced Motion Sickness, an example of what doctors call simulator sickness.