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Ubuntu 13.10 Will Not Ship Mir By Default
An anonymous reader writes "Ubuntu 13.10 is due for release later this month, and the Ubuntu developers were planning to replace the native X Server with Mir/XMir as Canonical's next-generation Ubuntu display server. However, they have now decided Mir will not be the Ubuntu 13.10 default on the desktop over the XMir X11 compatibility layer suffering multi-monitor issues and other problems. Canonical still says they will use Mir for Ubuntu Touch 13.10 images and remain committed to the Mir project."
If they continue to have problems perhaps they will go back to the idea of supporting the Wayland project. There's hope for Ubuntu Gnome yet.
Was it pure failure,or today's sick fascination with 'mobile' that would lead a 'modern-replacement-for-X' project to have "multi-monitor issues"?
I can be sympathetic to the weirdness sometimes experienced in that area with classic X, given that it's a hoary design from the age when 'multi-monitor' meant "Computer that costs more than everybody in front of it" bodged and genetic-drifted into a totally alien environment; but this is the future, the one where you are hard pressed to buy a motherboard without at least two built-in video outputs, not infrequently more, you'd think that that would be a major consideration in any new graphics system design.
Otherwise the Russians will be pissed!
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Like Pulse audio it takes a long time to make a WM that does not have some serious issues somewhere. Ubuntu choosing to try to create a WM more suitable to the Unity gui is understandable. But it is no small task. This is the great part about the Linux kernel not a weakness as the nay sayers that peddle the poison crap that Linux distros are too fragmented. Unlike the alternative which is only united by the fact that with a Windows or Apple window manager you have NO CHOICE PERIOD.
Ubuntu is stable and very usable always with the window manager that they choose, so is Slackware, Knoppix, Mint etc etc etc. The detractors and shills do not realize the real significance of this. Which is the fact that different groups can do what they want as witness the Google WM on top of the kernel. Shills that harp that fragmentation there is a problem are starting to be exposed for what they are as witness the fact that Android is kicking but all over the planet.
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Both to RedHat and Cannonical for actually trying to innovate in this space.
At least one of the projects will fail and there will be instability for those trying out the new solutions, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't try. I love seeing this because whatever happens, it will make desktop Linux more fun!
Go and try Debian. There is a reason why they have a huge following and most of what people like in Ubuntu is there in debian with none of what people dislike.
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As someone that uses X network transparancy all day long, every day, I have to say I don't have this problem. I've yet to see any latency issues at all, other than when I connect to a server that is half a planet away from me.
I do use a lot of graphics in my programs. But, that is mostly "business like" graphics, not "holiday pictures" type of stuff.
Seriously, I hear a lot of complaints about X, but I really don't see the problem. Been using it since the early Pleistocene and have been happy ever since.
Sometimes I wonder why Canonical develops these new things in secret, want to "force" it mainstream, and then discover that maybe it's not as stable, as other tried and tested as technologies that where developed in the open from the start.
Something will need to replace ubuntu soon as the easy to use grandma friendly linux desktop
Would Chromium OS qualify as "the easy to use grandma friendly linux desktop"?
(Before we can identify this "something", we first need to identify what qualifies as a "Linux desktop". Otherwise, we're likely to end up talking past each other.)
I understand where they think Wayland falls short, but rather than going off and trying to create there own display server, they could have instead contributed the functionality they wanted to the Wayland project. And if Wayland wouldn't want it, fork a version of Wayland that is compatible but has what they felt was missing.
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I don't think people realize how much overhead some of those tiebacks to facebook/twitter/etc (for tracking/commenting features) add to their site.
Have them block the social recommendation crap from resolving using a hosts file, and they'll realize when they see how much faster pages load. I think APK is on to something.
The best part of trying to change your desktop environment on Ubuntu is how it then tries to uninstall your entire operating system. busybox, the linux kernel, and everything else.
I didn't see that misbehavior when I switched from Unity to Xfce by typing sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop back in the 11.10 days.
The criticism should be levelled at the hardware vendors who won't provide open drivers.
Or, just as likely, the upstream patent holders who prohibit the hardware vendors from providing open drivers.
When the GNOME project began, Qt wasn't free software. Therefore, GNOME 1 wasn't redundant among free X11 desktop environments.
I'll never badmouth a group for delaying a release when the product isn't done yet.
Not even a product with a strict deadline, like an annual budget for the national government?
[Old X11 cruft is] paged out on disk taking up no resources if it's really not being used
Not if your computer doesn't use a paging file. (It's common for handheld devices not to use one because of NAND flash wear considerations.) And not if the old X11 cruft happens to have been placed in the same 4 KiB page as a heavily used part of the code.
Maybe they should first get rid of Unity. It sucks. It assumes you have one app open at a time [...] Tiling window managers are more useful.
I thought we already established in the thread about Slashdot's new layout that most people maximize one window to fill the screen and don't use tiling window managers. For example: "Low-level creatures like us can only read one webpage at a time. It makes a lot more sense for us to have one window open and some of us prefer that window to be fullscreen." I mentioned that people could keep two web pages side by side, and people reacted as if Steve Jobs had told them they were "holding it wrong".
You're thinking of the KDE Free Qt Foundation, which didn't come about until June 1998 (source). It was under a GPL-incompatible license until Qt/X11 was released sometime in 2000. (The archived press release appears to have vanished in the transition from Nokia to Digia.) GNOME began in August 1997, and this article from September 2000 states that it was explicitly to work around the non-free status of Qt at the time.
Wow, some people don't like having their sacred cows questioned.
You cannot respond to a fair question pointing out that if the problem with X11 is cruftiness, how is a "replacement" project that will start with only a subset of the features going to avoid having the exact same problems - earlier than the original indeed.
So I'm going to take that as meaning you don't have an answer. You're so wedded to this disruptive and unnecessary project that you'd rather stick your fingers in your ears when the obvious gets stated.
Wayland and Mir are not good projects. They've been started for entirely the wrong reasons. Indeed, they've been started for the classic wrong reason - "oh, the old code is imperfect, we have to rewrite!"
X11 works. It's here today. It's great. We should stick with it.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
You realize each time you mod the two parents "Troll" you're proving the point? Both that Mir/Wayland do suffer from the poor justifications the parent points out, and that you're modding solely because you're too dumb to come up with a sane, rational, counterargument.
a user with limited/low bandwith
I think the idea is that people living where the only affordable home Internet access is dial-up would carry the Chromebook to a branch of the county library to do large data transfers.
there is little users in this side
Other Slashdot users have repeatedly told me that people with niche needs need to suck it up and accept that products and services that lack economies of scale will have inflated prices. The cliche they use is "You are an edge case."