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Ubuntu 13.10 Will Not Ship Mir By Default
An anonymous reader writes "Ubuntu 13.10 is due for release later this month, and the Ubuntu developers were planning to replace the native X Server with Mir/XMir as Canonical's next-generation Ubuntu display server. However, they have now decided Mir will not be the Ubuntu 13.10 default on the desktop over the XMir X11 compatibility layer suffering multi-monitor issues and other problems. Canonical still says they will use Mir for Ubuntu Touch 13.10 images and remain committed to the Mir project."
If they continue to have problems perhaps they will go back to the idea of supporting the Wayland project. There's hope for Ubuntu Gnome yet.
Was it pure failure,or today's sick fascination with 'mobile' that would lead a 'modern-replacement-for-X' project to have "multi-monitor issues"?
I can be sympathetic to the weirdness sometimes experienced in that area with classic X, given that it's a hoary design from the age when 'multi-monitor' meant "Computer that costs more than everybody in front of it" bodged and genetic-drifted into a totally alien environment; but this is the future, the one where you are hard pressed to buy a motherboard without at least two built-in video outputs, not infrequently more, you'd think that that would be a major consideration in any new graphics system design.
Like Pulse audio it takes a long time to make a WM that does not have some serious issues somewhere. Ubuntu choosing to try to create a WM more suitable to the Unity gui is understandable. But it is no small task. This is the great part about the Linux kernel not a weakness as the nay sayers that peddle the poison crap that Linux distros are too fragmented. Unlike the alternative which is only united by the fact that with a Windows or Apple window manager you have NO CHOICE PERIOD.
Ubuntu is stable and very usable always with the window manager that they choose, so is Slackware, Knoppix, Mint etc etc etc. The detractors and shills do not realize the real significance of this. Which is the fact that different groups can do what they want as witness the Google WM on top of the kernel. Shills that harp that fragmentation there is a problem are starting to be exposed for what they are as witness the fact that Android is kicking but all over the planet.
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Both to RedHat and Cannonical for actually trying to innovate in this space.
At least one of the projects will fail and there will be instability for those trying out the new solutions, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't try. I love seeing this because whatever happens, it will make desktop Linux more fun!
Go and try Debian. There is a reason why they have a huge following and most of what people like in Ubuntu is there in debian with none of what people dislike.
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Some years ago I tried using KDE3 from a machine on the same floor, using Exceed and a win32 build of Xorg as the X servers. If I disabled rounded window corners and picked a theme without gradients, it was somewhat usable, but not as responsive as I'd like (this was my main dev box). I ended up switching to NX, which worked very well for me.
I understand where they think Wayland falls short, but rather than going off and trying to create there own display server, they could have instead contributed the functionality they wanted to the Wayland project. And if Wayland wouldn't want it, fork a version of Wayland that is compatible but has what they felt was missing.
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That's due to issues with the win32 versions of X in my experience. I use an IBM 600E (Pentium 2 with 96MB RAM running Red Hat 9) as a remote X client to a lot of systems without issue (XDMCP to Solaris, IRIX, and Linux).
I'm starting to think GNU is the problem with "GNU/Linux" these days.
I recently worked on a Laptop for a friend that I had to create a new user and copy all the prefs and files over.
it kinda amazed me that all there was to move was the bookmarks. no photos, no documents, not even anything in the downloads folder! this laptop was about a year and a half old and basically stock.
The only thing she really did was print recipes and joke email.
So the only thing I would say is that the Printing support in ChromeOS is crappy by design.
"Buy a cloud printer" doesnt really do it for me.
Other than that, Sure
I don't think people realize how much overhead some of those tiebacks to facebook/twitter/etc (for tracking/commenting features) add to their site.
Have them block the social recommendation crap from resolving using a hosts file, and they'll realize when they see how much faster pages load. I think APK is on to something.
The best part of trying to change your desktop environment on Ubuntu is how it then tries to uninstall your entire operating system. busybox, the linux kernel, and everything else.
I didn't see that misbehavior when I switched from Unity to Xfce by typing sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop back in the 11.10 days.
The criticism should be levelled at the hardware vendors who won't provide open drivers.
Or, just as likely, the upstream patent holders who prohibit the hardware vendors from providing open drivers.
When the GNOME project began, Qt wasn't free software. Therefore, GNOME 1 wasn't redundant among free X11 desktop environments.
I'll never badmouth a group for delaying a release when the product isn't done yet.
Not even a product with a strict deadline, like an annual budget for the national government?
[Old X11 cruft is] paged out on disk taking up no resources if it's really not being used
Not if your computer doesn't use a paging file. (It's common for handheld devices not to use one because of NAND flash wear considerations.) And not if the old X11 cruft happens to have been placed in the same 4 KiB page as a heavily used part of the code.
Maybe they should first get rid of Unity. It sucks. It assumes you have one app open at a time [...] Tiling window managers are more useful.
I thought we already established in the thread about Slashdot's new layout that most people maximize one window to fill the screen and don't use tiling window managers. For example: "Low-level creatures like us can only read one webpage at a time. It makes a lot more sense for us to have one window open and some of us prefer that window to be fullscreen." I mentioned that people could keep two web pages side by side, and people reacted as if Steve Jobs had told them they were "holding it wrong".
Yeah, they really need to offer a cloud printer box or something. It would interface via USB/network/whatever to the printer, and would connect in to cloud print. Config would all be via the web - perhaps via Google's website (you plug in the device, it does dhcp and registers with Google, and then you log into google cloud print and register the device using its serial number or whatever). I have an Ecobee thermostat that was registered in a similar way - you just configure the thermostat itself enough to get it on the LAN, and then you can do most of the rest via their website.
Only issue will be dealing with the myriad of driver issues, which is probably what is keeping Google away from it. However, at the very least they could support network-based PS printers, or a few other well-defined protocols. My current printer is postscript and it took all of about 3min to get it working on linux, and this is not on one of those super-desktop-friendly distros.
You're thinking of the KDE Free Qt Foundation, which didn't come about until June 1998 (source). It was under a GPL-incompatible license until Qt/X11 was released sometime in 2000. (The archived press release appears to have vanished in the transition from Nokia to Digia.) GNOME began in August 1997, and this article from September 2000 states that it was explicitly to work around the non-free status of Qt at the time.
I think the use of grandma friendly its an error. It must be affordable to work whih everyone that needs or wants to. I dont say its a no good thing the chromium os, but I dont think it fits everyone needs , or it can take other approachs to do the same. Imagine this, a user with limited/low bandwith that expects to work with a chromium terminal..and needs to work now. Well, you are gonna to tell , there is little users in this side, but there is. And think of the say , its not wise to put all the eggs in the same basket (or like it must be saying in english) It recalls me of the time I was working in the it and we were selling machines with light versions of * linux distro , and then for ripping a cd you had to download the whole gnome 2 files over 28.8kbps. Greetings!!!
a user with limited/low bandwith
I think the idea is that people living where the only affordable home Internet access is dial-up would carry the Chromebook to a branch of the county library to do large data transfers.
there is little users in this side
Other Slashdot users have repeatedly told me that people with niche needs need to suck it up and accept that products and services that lack economies of scale will have inflated prices. The cliche they use is "You are an edge case."