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Saudi Justice: 10 Years and 2,000 Lashes For Internet Video of Naked Dancing
An anonymous reader writes with a link to The Huffington Post, which reports "that a Saudi man was sentenced to 2,000 lashes and 10 years in prison for dancing naked on the roof of a car and posting the video online, according to multiple reports. Three other men were also sentenced to three to seven years in jail and hundreds of lashes each for the incident, Agence France-Presse reported, citing Arabic-language paper Al-Sharq. The four men were hit with a number of charges, including "encouraging vice" and violating public morality, according to the report. The prosecutor in the case, which was heard by a judge in Saudi Arabia's conservative Al-Qassem province, reportedly objected to the sentences for being "too lenient," Gulf News notes. The video was reportedly circulated widely on the Internet, but could not be found by The Huffington Post."
It is worth it just to see that.
Did you see just how bad their dancing was? That is worth 2000 lashes.
Soon you will have the same law in your country if you do not kick muslims out.
I get that they have oil, but come on already. This sort of crap should simply not be tolerated by the west. We should not sell them arms or have diplomatic relations with these kinds of states. They abuse women, have a cave man's idea of a criminal justice system, are a theocracy and fund terrorism. What else do they need to do before we decide to stop tolerating their shit?
or Harlem-shaking.
In Soviet Russia, our new overlords are belong to all your base.
and 2000 lashes because this particular dude had no business strutting his "stuff" in a porn video
10 years for growing the wrong plant.
Give me Classic Slashdot or give me death!
Saudi Arabia is an absolute monarchy,[69] although, according to the Basic Law of Saudi Arabia adopted by royal decree in 1992, the king must comply with Sharia (that is, Islamic law) and the Quran. The Quran and the Sunnah (the traditions of Muhammad) are declared to be the country's constitution,
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Monarchy + theocracy FTW! So who's up for making the USA a christian country? What could possibly go wrong?
Having lived in Saudi everything is very restricted in society. It seems very harsh however.
10 years and 2000 lashes for dancing naked on film...
8 years and 600 lashes for torturing and killing one's own daughter...
Meanwhile, an American was sentenced to 10 years in prison for taking a few dried blossoms out of a bag and smoking them in a pipe. "It's a gateway to the collapse of society," a prosecutor said. "We wish the judge had imposed a longer jail sentence as a deterrent."
It could have been a woman with her face uncovered. Or a woman, period, driving the car naked. The sentence would be death by stoning and/or beheading.
Laughter is the Spackle of the Soul.
Yet they are the most valuable allies of yours in the peninsula... shame on you USA.
The problem is thus:
Almost every state sells arms or has diplomatic relations with every other state. Women are abused everywhere, almost everywhere there's a cave man's idea of a criminal justice system in place, many people are deeply religious, and many support one form of violence or another. What else do we need to do before we decide to stop tolerating our shit?
"Kill 'em all and let Root sort 'em out"
You would demand the same thing if you saw a video of me dancing naked on my rooftop.
With or without CowboyNeal.
Naked dancing objectifies the dancers. We have to put a stop to it now, before a generation grows up thinking hairy Arabs are just playthings that dance for their pleasure. That's why I too support the Social Justice movement.
Perfectly legal as long as it was unborn and the mother wanted it killed.
He deserves it 'cause he was stupid. He should've worn a veil. Then nobody could recognize him AND he'd be obeying Islamic law ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqJDuZIcQ34
Much better production values, and better acting.
Yes the link is Safe for work.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
If he would have been forcing himself on a woman he would have probably gotten off the hook and she'd be divorced and punished.
What have we learned here? life is not fair, people are cruel and most of the world is still run by primitives.
A 'singular oddity' is an event that cannot be explained and only happens when you are alone.
Interesting that you brought that up. While I'm very much against the "justice" system in Saudi Arabia, the case of that guy was blown out of proportion. According to this site he is/was a drug addict (I wonder what inspired him to do drugs), and he never was a scholar.
In any case, if he is found guilty he should receive the death sentence in an Islamic criminal justice system. As for this case, I'm not familiar with it, but what I do know is that prison sentences are rather rare in Islamic criminal justice. And FWIW, I don't see any justification for such a punishment at all.
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Human rights are not judged according to cultural relativism. Sharia law is a violation of human rights, regardless of the religion of the victim.
Book: Acts. Chapter 5. Ananias converted to Christianity and was told to sell all his posessions and give all the money to the commune. Instead, he gave only half the money, and kept the other half.
A priest asked him about this, and he lied and said "I gave all the money." In punishment, God instantly killed him then and there. The same thing happened to his wife shortly thereafter.
What happened to all the forgiveness and compassion?
This is a major problem with the Bible: it presents a very inconsistent image of God. Sometimes he is over-the-top forgiving, and other times he is over-the-top brutal in punishment. There is a distinct lack of consistency, leaving his followers to wonder when their best efforts at pleasing Him will just make Him go irate again.
"Mysterious ways" does not capture it. "Sociopathic ways" is more accurate. I really, really hope the Bible is not accurate in its description of God.
Oh for fucks sake please stop engaging in such false equivalencies. I know you appended the smiley in an effort to make a joke of this, and this isn't aimed at you personally. Far too many people really think it isn't that bad, and we shouldn't say anything because we're not perfect either, and your post (meant in jest or not) feeds into that notion.
The United States may have put an inexperienced African-American in office ahead of a vastly more qualified female, but our gender (and other issues) are miniscule compared to how women are treated in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and other places.
* Women are routinely murdered for stepping out of line, in despicable, dishonorable acts referred to by their perpetrators as "honor killings."
* Women who offend the sensibilities of the men of their family are often locked up for life in a room with no light, no sound, and no outside contact beyond a tray of food being shoved under a door, a practice that makes solitary confinement in the US and other western states look like a picnic in comparison. The result is almost universal madness on the part of the victim, usually within a relatively short time. This practice is so common and entrenched that there is a term for this facility, the "woman's room" (not to be confused with a restroom or loo)
* victims of rape are routinely charged and convicted of fornication, adultery, etc. for having the audacity of being a victim, and imprisoned or worse (see above). Worse, they are convicted merely on the word of a few men, while female testimony is dismissed (by law) and not considered as a counterweight. In many places, they are stoned to death.
* Even women who manage to escape all of this and are considered "upstanding" by the psychotic standards of the culture can, at best, expect to be buried in the desert with no record of their passing (no marker, no death record, nothing). This after a life in servitude and bondage.
* Women in Saudi Arabia are not allowed to leave the house without the company of a man, even if the man is a boy-child.
* Women in Saudi Arabia are not allowed to drive, on pain of severe punushment.
and the list goes on. Women drowned in front of their entire families in the family swimming pool. Women disfigured by acid for refusing the advances of a suiter, and so on and so on, ad nauseum.
People should read the book "Princess" by Jean Sasson, about the nightmare of being a Saudi Princess, arguably the most privileged and sheltered position a woman can occupy in that society. There are also several excellent, Iranian-made movies that depict, describe, and criticize the epidemic of female-stonings in that society, often with little or no evidence beyond the word of a husband keen to ditch his wife for a prettier woman, e.g. The Stoning of Soraya M.
It's appalling, and we in the west have betrayed everything we purport to stand for, year after year and decade after decade, by cozying up to such regimes and abusive societies.
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We're here poo-pooing Saudi Arabia while the US exhibits exactly the same asinine policies *and* has a non-functional government?
How about Virginia, which tried to pass a law outlawing any kind of sexual activity that wasn't straight vaginal intercourse? This means a private couple enjoying a blowjob could be arrested. Sounds like Saudi Arabia as well to me. North Carolina has the strictest anti-abortion laws in the nation, essentially bringing most women into the fray of 'property' regarding their own bodies should they ever find themselves impregnated, regardless of circumstance. Hell, it looks as though the rapist now has visitation rights to the offspring if he so choses.
And the federal government, millionaires that only represent other millionaires, is run by a fanatical faction called the Tea Party that would like to run our entire country like Saudi Arabia. Women have no rights, only the rich can rule, moochers have no place in society, and we'd be better off if they were all executed. We're here only to provide a labor force to corporations and we are required to give them our money so that they can have the profits they feel entitled to.
USA, fix your own house first before you denigrate the actions of any other government or society. But of course, you think you're perfect -- "murica fuck yeah!" -- half your population lives in trailer parks and 20 million children live in poverty, Walmart is your biggest employer, and *you're* telling other people how to run their countries? You've got to be kidding me.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
To see at least some people have the balls to bitchslap attention whores (and with gender equality on top of that).
Apparently, this crime is more serious than the torture and murder of a five year old, which only got 8 years and 600 lashes: http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/07/world/meast/saudi-arabia-girl-death/index.html?sr=sharebar_facebook
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Much more enlightened than Saudi Arabia's: 21 years in prison for killing 77 people. Breivik agrees!
You could go to jail for 10 years for posting a comment online which someone decides is a terrorist threat.
It always amazes me how so many liberals have nothing but hate for Republicans but are so passionate in their calls for tolerance in defending Muslims.
This actually happened at work, so, we're in the break room having a few beers and a discussion starts about homosexuals coming out of the closet. A Calvinist actually says to a Black Guy ," homosexuals should not be allowed to vote" and the Black Guy agrees with him. The crazy thing is, neither one of them seemed to realize that not too long ago the Black Guy couldn't vote, for the exact same reason the Calvinist didn't want homosexuals voting, fear!
We have a fitting quote of the day today.
"Most men, when they think they are thinking, are merely rearranging their prejudices." - Knute Rockne
Pretty sure a human body would be reduced to ground meat after 2000 lashes.
Who automatically scream the west is of course worse. Because as everyone knows the US is a medieval theocratic death chamber where this sort of thing in fact takes place 1000's of times a day. By law.
GOD: Arthur! Arthur, King of the Britons! Oh, don't grovel! If
there's one thing I can't stand, it's people groveling.
ARTHUR: Sorry--
GOD: And don't apologize. Every time I try to talk to someone it's
"sorry this" and "forgive me that" and "I'm not worthy". What are you
doing now!?
ARTHUR: I'm averting my eyes, oh Lord.
GOD: Well, don't. It's like those miserable Psalms-- they're so
depressing. Now knock it off!
Clearly Islam and Christianity are darn near identical here. Good thing people are smart enough to lump them together.
Slavery was not abolished in Saudi Arabia until the 1960s. This was NOT a formality of a situation that was true for decades earlier. Almost every powerful male in Saudi Arabia owned rape slaves until this date.
The most famous Saudi is Bandar 'Bush'- so-called because he is a personal friend of the Bush crime family (the one that gave you Yanks THREE presidents, the third yet to take office). Bandar had a rape slave as a mother. And by rape slave, I MEAN rape slave- a woman purchased by his father for the single purpose of RAPING.
On Wikipedia, the usual zionist goons constantly erase the fact that Bandar's mother was a rape slave. Israel and Saudi Arabia are, of course, Siamese twins, and both receive absolute support and loyalty from those that rule the USA.
Saudi Arabia is NOT run by Muslims. The religion of the rulers of Saudi is actually a form of Judaism, and is one of the reasons Saudia Arabia and Israel are so closely linked. Of course, the people of Saudi Arabia are mostly Muslim by heritage, but the form of society they suffer under has NOTHING to do with Islam or the natural inclination of the ordinary people.
Saudi Arabia is kept by British, American, Israeli and French influence as a source of Islamic extremism that drives depraved, racist, violent thuggish movements into the hearts of nearby Muslim nations, denying these nations the ability to function as modern democratic states. If any nation with a Muslim heritage DARES to try to escape Saudi controlled theocracy, America and Britain ensure this nation is utterly destroyed (see Yemen, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Iran for examples).
The Saudi elite follow NONE of the rules of their nation. They drink, gamble, use prostitutes, and generally piss all over the holy books of Islam. Meanwhile they fund schools of ultra religious extremism (identical to those found in Israel and Pakistan) that create the vile 'religious' goons that keep the ordinary people in their place.
Today, Saudi Arabia still has tens of thousands of rape slaves, but they are foolish migrant workers who lose all rights once they enter Saudi Arabia. While technically, treating these workers is illegal, Saudi Arabia uses RELIGIOUS law in place of civil and criminal law, which means the word of a master ALWAYS outweighs the word of a servant. Declaring yourself a victim of sexual assault in Saudi Arabia, for instance, is a self-confession of 'illegal' sexual activity, unless you can find FOUR witnesses to the rape.
Filthy filthy shills, posing as citizens of this depraved nation, will attempt to deny what is written above. They MAY point to cases where Westerners have received something approaching true justice, but this is a farce. Of course the filth that 'rule' Saudi Arabia do what the British and American governments tell them to do. If a citizen from Western nation is being mistreated, and the case reaches the attention of the public in the West, Bandar and the other Saudi depravities bend over backwards to seem reasonable.
However, most people that go to Saudi are from third-world nations, whose governments have no influence or power to protect their citizens. Migrant female workers from these nations, for instance, may NOT leave Saudi Arabia until they have been given forced pregnancy tests. If they are found to be pregnant, they are flogged (and I mean in the same brutal way slaves were flogged in the USA) and imprisoned. The doctors and nurses that conspire in these crimes against Humanity are frequently from the West, and are NEVER struck-off for engaging in such sickening, abusive and illegal (by UN conventions) acts.
Saudi Arabia does NOT simply have a culture different from our own. Saudi Arabia was created by the USA and UK. The perverted cult that controls Saudi Arabia was empowered EXCLUSIVELY by the USA, and has no popular support whatsoever. The evil of Saudi Arabia is entirely a post-war creation of the West power bloc to ensure no socialist unity arises from the nations of the Middle East.
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I thought the death of Jesus was supposed to cleanse everyone of their sins....or at least those who convert, right? Wouldn't that include Ananias? Your message of contracts with life-as-forfeit clauses is not only unbiblical, but it directly contradicts the central (and Biblical) message of forgiveness that was the *entire point* of Jesus' crucifixion.
Are you just making this stuff up as you go along? Do you actually believe that what you are saying makes any sense at all?
That Saudi Arabia in particular and islam in general (and christianity for that matter) have a huge problem with both men and women expressing their human animal nature.
It's almost as if they don't realize or accept the most basic of truths; that we are animals, born naked, due to the instinct-driven activities of naked animals. Religion, on these issues, is a psychological problem, with a strong denial of reality aspect.
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
That's like, a couple of times the punishment for being raped.
Are you saying the world is a place that with the proper amount of money you can have someone else not do anything and let you get away with anything?
No?
Really?
This is happening today?
Chris Christie 2016!!
once again we have proof that these losers dont know how to live.... why the hell does the reste of humanity put up with this barbaric way of life. I say NUKE THEM ALL and we will finally have world peace!
In order for Justice to actually be just, the punishment must fit the crime. Lying about how much money you have is simply not a very harmful crime, no matter who one lies to. Being arrogant and prideful about how much one has given to one's community is also just not that big a deal.
The death penalty is usually reserved for people who actually murder people (like Paul, for example, who was forgiven).
Of course one could say that God has the authority to do what God wants. The issue here isn't about authority though, it is about consistency. The Bible says several times that God is just, with a healthy dose of mercy and love on the side. We know what these words mean. If the Bible describes God this way, and then claims that God takes actions which directly contradict this description, then we are forced to say that the Bible is wrong on one count or the other.
Either God is Just and Merciful, OR God imposes extremely brutal punishments for relatively harmless transgressions. One OR the other, you can't have it both ways.
For something to be a "goddamn" anything, don't you have to believe in God and in divine punishment (i.e. retribution)?
Sergeant D had it right: Warning, NSFW, loud swear-y and offensive music!
Stick Men
But how do you report to your husband (if you're allowed to leave the house at all) without a cell?
Laughter is the Spackle of the Soul.
I cannot find where the video was originally posted in any of the articles. It would seem important to know that; given that it is on Slashdot. Otherwise, why is this posted here? How is this news for nerds?
...is the fact that while Americans condemn Islamic barbarity, their own society is quite literally the most degenerate in human history.
The emphasis is different, of course. Islam focuses on preservation of the collective, or society, at the expense of the individual. America focuses on the preservation of the individual, at the expense of the collective.
Both are imbalanced; but what I find distressing is the fact that, as usual, Americans are only capable of identifying what is wrong with other cultures, rather than acknowledging the fact that, in many cases, entirely equally pathological elements exist within their own.
You might not have judges handing out sentences like this, no; but you do have school and shopping center shootings. The end result is inhumanity, either way.
If that's the law and you know that's the punishment, don't do it.
Campaigning to change the law and punishments is probably a good idea as with many laws it doesn't really matter much in the scheme of thing I would have thought.
While most westerners would agree this is, in a word, harsh -- it's still a matter of perspective.
Lots of countries don't have death penalties or life imprisonment, but we sure do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_imprisonment#Overview_by_jurisdiction
You might get 10 years in Saudi Arabia for violating public morality, where you might only get a fine here for the same thing. On the other hand, murder in the US might get you life without parole, but murder in Portugal can only get you 25 years.
While our morals might differ - they're always going to seem "right" to the people who's morals they are. Not every Saudi agrees with "Saudi morals," and not every US citizen agrees with "US morals; but we all have a moral code that seems right to us.
Is where you're getting in trouble. Guns represent a need that is undesirable. Finding other ways to mitigate or negate that need is of interest. The misuse of the tool is common. Switzerland has better gun control and as you point out, people still have guns. Perhaps we should too.
Terrorist mastermind "harvestsun" was apprehended by a SWAT team of 30 this afternoon at his compound of evil after a posting on the techno-anarchist-leftist-satanist website Slashdot indicated his willingness to kill your grandmother and eat her soul. And the governor's dog had puppies. More at eleven.
They weren't even naked, just topless.
Topless men aren't really that exiting.
It's not really killing if it was never really alive in the first place
In the Islamic system, the penalty for murder is not death penalty, but qisas - where the relatives of the victim can kill the murderer, but can also forgive him and take monetary compensation instead.
Indeed, I stand corrected. I wanted to point out that the sentence of the court has no basis.
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