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File-Sharing Site Was Actually an Anti-Piracy Honeypot
An anonymous reader writes "The administrator of file-sharing site UploaderTalk shocked and enraged his userbase a few days ago when he revealed that the site was nothing more than a honeypot set up by a company called Nuke Piracy. The main purpose of the site had been to gather data on its users. The administrator said, 'I collected info on file hosts, web hosts, websites. I suckered $#!&loads of you. I built a history, got the trust of some very important people in the warez scene collecting information and data all the time.' Nobody knows what Nuke Piracy is going to do with the data, but it seems reasonable to expect lawsuits and the further investigation of any services the users discussed. His very public betrayal is likely meant to sow discord and distrust among the groups responsible for distributing pirated files."
Seriously, UploaderTalk is a no-name site.
...when it was called The Scene
"You can't cheat an honest man."
So for the months that the site was active these files (and links) were being shared with the implicit permission of the copyright umbrella groups? Neat. Bless 'em.
honor among thieves.
The main purpose of the site had been to gather data on its users.
So they have a bunch of anonymous IP addresses from a bunch of public WiFi sites. Even a trusted file sharing site can put people at risk if the FBI kicks the door down and seizes the servers. So any smart pirates will take measures to protect their anonymity, honey pot or not.
In the meantime, thanks for all the disk space. It was fun while it lasted.
Have gnu, will travel.
There are no important people in the warez scene. That's why they can't stop it.
News at 11.
Honestly they were barely known and had ZERO rep in the community. In fact most people never even knew about them or knew to stay away because it was too new and too unknown.
If this is the best they got, then there is no worries out there. Now find out that TPB was a BSA sting operation.... THAT is real news.
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It sounds like they have the same business model as Prenda Law.
The administrator said, 'I collected info on file hosts, web hosts, websites. I suckered $#!&loads of you. I built a history, got the trust of some very important people in the warez scene collecting information and data all the time.'
and he was never heard from again
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
If they were anything serious they wouldn't have gloated that way.
Sounds so much like a whining kid trying to annoy people...
The main purpose of the site had been to gather data on its users
Like Dice and slashdot.
There's no way something like that could be approved by genuine rightsholders. It's just one 'pirate' trolling other 'pirates'.
I mean people get busted all the time on piratebay when someone collecting data joins a torrent and logs ip's. Anyone smart enough to use a proxy or public wifi is going to use it both places anyways.
"Well kids, you tried your best, and you failed. The lesson is, never try." -Homer Simpson
Unless he managed to secure permission from copyright holders of every file
that went through that system, this sounds like he might find himself the target
of suits saying he willingly and deliberately facilitated infringement.
Honestly they were barely known and had ZERO rep in the community.
So, perhaps you'd care to share who does have the best rep? ::recorder ON::
Behold, this dreamer cometh. Come now, and let us slay him... and we shall see what will become of his dreams.
Sour grapes. However many or few people used the site this is a real betrayal and it's necessary for pirates and torrenters to find way to become even more robust against this kind of activity. We're already playing a vigorous game of whack-a-mole but what I think is needed is a series of third party web-sites to filter and mix comment and posted torrents from various IPs to various different user names. Torrent sites could have an API that allows such filtering. For example Joe Anypirate would use torrentfilter.net to send a torrent to thepiratebay.sx. thepiratebay.sx would have only torrentfilter.net as the source of the file information. torrentfilter would automatically assign a random user name for data to forward to thepiratebay.sx. A pirates-only proxy. These third party sites wouldn't host torrents providing a level of abstraction and safety from laws targeting torrent sites.
If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
...but it's not the filesharers.
If true this is a blatant violation of every piece of data protection legislation ever written.
Use caution when using piratebay use Vidalia and use ports that are used for other secure services, also check the tracker and remove suspicious tracking from the torrent to anonymize you're fun, like "Istoleit" tracker.
things like netflix and pandora, driving the stranglehold on consumption of media by cable/etc providers out of business, causes people to pay for more media legitimately. 100 bucks a month for mostly unwatchable tv just to get a couple channels you like some shows on is insane. nevermind 50 bucks to watch celebrities mangle eachother
That is all.
Tiger4 on slashdot is the best piracy source out there. Talk to them they have all the good stuff.
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In some countries this would constitute as entrapment. And made collected evidence void for any legal purpose. Somehow im sure internet will soon reveal this persons identity, address, etc... Since he has nothing to hide, right?
I've never heard of them. You can go onto their forums and their community is pretty much nill compared to the other sites. All I see is a bunch of spam posts. I don't know why this is newsworthy. It sounds more like a troll and theguardian bought into it without actually researching the entire story.
Now find out that TPB was a BSA sting operation.... THAT is real news.
So the Boy Scouts of America is really a shell organization for the government!? Holy Double Deception Batman!
You stereotypers are all the same...
That will only serve to drive people more underground and harder to find. No one can stop the movement. Data will be free.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
So for the months that the site was active these files (and links) were being shared with the implicit permission of the copyright umbrella groups? Neat. Bless 'em.
The same permission a mouse gets when nanny baits a snap trap with a piece of cheese. The permission to die from a broken spine.
No, just the Mormons.
Why are essentially all of the above comments pro-piracy?
If you dreamed up your perfect world, would it contain piracy, or no piracy, or something between? Explain calmly and specifically, why.
Thanks.
The site smells of entrapment to me.
Those files and IPs can still be faked by the fake upload site. All they have to do is monitor an ISP and see which IPs are in heavy use.
Good, piracy is wrong... period.
Nope. Not always wrong. Abandonware comes to mind.
And there are very legitimate arguments that the term of copyright has been extended beyond sane limits, violating the social contract that we agreed to for copyright to exist in the first place.
You... are NOT ENTITLED to products or services in which you have not paid money for.
If I see a shirt at the store I like I can make one myself just like it. Yet I have taken the idea from someone else. Copyright says I am entitled to do this, that the makers of clothes cannot copyright the designs. Seems odd doesn't it.
That I am, "NOT ENTITLED" to anyone elses ideas unless I've paid money for them... unless its clothing and then I can.
Services to highlight how artificial copyright is.
Its a social contract for the mutual good of creators and consumers. If it ceases to be for the mutual good, then copyright is wrong.
Occasionally I'm looking for a TV show I want to watch. It's often hard to know where to find it. Hulu, crackle, netflix, amazon are big names but there's lots of other little ones as well. So how can one tell when one clicks on a link to watch something if it's a legit site or a copyright violator. Regardless of how you feel about copyrights, my main goal is to avoid some hassle-- not worth it to me. The last thing I want is some honeypot offering me Game Of Thrones season 3 for free and then after I watch it get dragged into court or worse blackmailed with the hassle. Thus I'm not trying to find stuff that's pirated. I just want to know how I should know?
With some common sense one can figure out that if you fand something on mega upload or a torrent site that, well, chances are pretty good one should be wary. But what about a site like CookiesandCream. Lots of TV shows there. Click to stream. no torrents, no rapidshare or mega uploader. outwardly it looks legit. SO I can't tell. And there's lots of places just like that.
Furthermore there's sites that sort of consolidate things CanIwatchIt which deeplinks things so you don't even see the site it's taking you too.
While one should suspect a free lunch it's not always possible to tell. AMC and Hulu often release some episodes or all of a series for a limited time. This happens even when Amazon is charging for the episode. So you can't just assume that some major show like breaking bad, or 30 rock or the killing should not be available somewhere for free.
It used to be easy to tell. Now it's actually reasonable that someone can make a mistake. THe rise of honeypots makes this even more perilous.
That's either a badly encoded covert communication between parties or a very dyslexic troll.
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Maybe he had his records sized and can't say it?!
I'd say it's a fair bet that they only got copyright trolls and such to bite. So, this troll was probably only getting the names of MPAA agents and the like.
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The only way for a perfect world to exist is if there were one where not having access to limited resources didn't result in eventual death.
The moment life becomes contingent on having a share of the pie, that pie is going to be coveted and managed, hoarded and guarded. The flip side is theft/piracy.
I think a perfect world could be attainable if people played fair. Right now, hoards and hoards of wealth are kept locked away by pathologically greedy people who can't seem to stop sucking wealth out of the system. If they could be eliminated from the equation, there would be a great deal more wealth and energy available for everybody else. And when you stop to think about it, the Sun provides all of that energy in the first place, and it keeps on pouring more energy onto the surface of our world every minute of every day. With plant life being nothing but solar converters, why is there food scarcity? With technologies currently available, why is there energy scarcity? -It's astonishing to consider that with such a pipeline of energy constantly flowing from the Sun, that there is any scarcity at all.
The constant drain on the system, the mis-management and waste of that collected energy, in order to maintain the level of scarcity we experience today, is not static. It must work pretty hard to keep us choked off.
Want and Need are largely artificial constructs resulting from almost exclusively from greed, deliberate mis-management and the simple psychopathic desire to see people suffer. "How will I know I am successful if everybody has the same stuff as me? There MUST be Losers, or how can I be a Winner?"
Yet, even now, with the vast quantity of wealth locked away from circulation and use, there is enough to keep the world tottering onward. In a world where our energies are managed in a more sane way, the fear of Want would be almost non-existent; everybody would have enough. Thus, there would be little need to contrive big profits from the trade of products, and thus, no need to steal/pirate.
How?
Get rid of the 1%. Get rid of the greed-diseased. Get rid of the psychopathic quotient.
Then the problem becomes negligible; an idea for science fiction "What If" stories which nobody would actually really believe could come to pass.
But that's certainly not where we are, is it?
And so...
Piracy.
-And before some idiot jumps in to say, "How will there be progress and creativity without motivation to avoid starvation?"
Duh. Only a diseased or embattled mind needs Fear of Want as motivation. Real, healthy people *like* to create, build and serve others. It's fun.
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Indeed, Tiger4 on Slashdot is the pinnacle of Warez scene in USA. If you want to hide, stay in plain sight. Besides, I wouldn't recommend to contact him, as there are rumors of his connections with Al-Quaida and drug trafficking. Let's keep warez clean of that stuff.
In a universe where Song of the South and Spartakus and the Sun Beneath the Sea haven't been released on DVD yet, and Alegrijes y Rebujos hasn't been dubbed into English yet. This is such a universe.
Through the natural social evolution of man, the next thing to expect would be massive retaliation against admin and company.
Governments have fallen for lesser attitudes. Families exterminated for lesser insults. Religions have had servers d.o.s.'d for being less stupid. Snack honor system boxes looted for less hubris.
I've got a catbird seat to watch the fight and for the money I pay for bandwidth, I want to see some ACTION!
>"Kids in grocery stores crying, yelling, in tantrums on the floor, trying to get their mothers to get them some candy is not a basis for how we should be acting as adults on the internet." //
You were doing alright with your argument until this.
1. Sweets are generally bad for you, they contain additives and such that give you no benefit and may be harmful. Excessive processed sugar consumption certainly doesn't seem to help a child. Consuming culturally relevant works may be bad for you, but not in the same way.
2. If you steal sweets from a shop then more have to be made to replace them. If you infringe copyright then there is no noticeable effect on the producer, as on the whole the extra "work" is all done by third parties.
3. Theft of sweets doesn't lead to extra sales, copyright infringement can. It doesn't always but there is an effect in play. Some of the greatest media buyers are also technically copyright infringers.
4. There are some limited ethical reasons for file sharing - one can rip media you own and encode it, but that's a waste of time and energy when compared with torrenting a file that is already prepared and being downloaded by others. Yes, there are ethical reasons to steal sweets - to give someone suffering a diabetic episode - but that's not the situation you offered for comparison so it's a moot point.
5. The socio-political situation is that there is often no more money available for a person to spend on media consumption than is being spent already. You've released a new movie that's made 5 times it's expenditure in the first week, why are you begrudging a poor person consuming it who wouldn't otherwise benefit from the work. With the sweets, you lose sales for sure as the theft prevents those same sweets being sold but that's not at all true with copyright infringement you still have your copy to reproduce as you will. With the media you lose nothing by allowing others to give away copies in a limited manner. [To the extreme it matters of course].
In short you made a cogent argument and then obliterated it with a silly analogy.
Let's look at your universal statement in that argument though:
>*You... are NOT ENTITLED to products or services in which you have not paid money for.* //
I disagree that people are not entitled to basic health care (a service) or clean water (a product) because they can't pay for it. You're going to have to come up with a more nuanced argument than that if you want to convince people you're speaking from a position of higher morality.
>*If you are pirating data, you should be admitting to yourself that you are stealing.* //
If you're pirating data then you're doing it wrong. You should copy data and - if and only if it's for the greater good - pirate tangible goods instead. If you're a pirate then admit that, if you're [merely] committing the tort of copyright infringement then admit that. Admitting the truth to yourself is better than labelling yourself as a criminal when what you are is a tortfeasant.
>*If you want something so badly, pay for it, or ignore it.* //
If you want to take part in the culture of our times and are poor what then? Copyright is such that even when vast, vast, returns have been made far and above the invested amounts, far beyond the expected returns of even the greatest of wages those works that have attained a cultural relevance are still locked up and only those who pay can gain lawful access. This is wrong. Culture is more important than that. Yes it's more important than letting those who're creators of creative works to go without any reward too but the balance has been forced far to one side by crooked dealings leaving an entirely unbalanced system.
Your statement works as well for media conglomerates as for those you try to apply it to - if you want everyone to be able to afford to pay to take part in the creative culture of our times instead of falling to tort
Yeah. Help me to understand that.
An anti-piracy group establishing ANYTHING that enables piracy, so they can get people's IDs?
Okay. Great. Now they know who some of these guys are!
But that still doesn't get them out of the fact that they were complicit in piracy operations.
All that, eventually, happens is that real pirates migrate to The Next Big Thing, and you get a bunch of little fish.
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WTF, Slashdot? Why are you censoring the quote?
If you're a pirate then admit that, if you're [merely] committing the tort of copyright infringement then admit that. Admitting the truth to yourself is better than labelling yourself as a criminal when what you are is a tortfeasant.
I thought the term "piracy" for copyright infringement was used even in places where and times when copyright infringement was only a tort, not a crime.
If you want to take part in the culture of our times and are poor what then?
Dave Ramsey might recommend that you first become no longer poor. First eat beans and rice and drive a beater car until you have paid off all debt. Then use your growing savings to get trade certifications to get a better job.
You... are NOT ENTITLED to products or services in which you have not paid money for.
Am I entitled to the script of the play Romeo and Juliet? This is an extreme example from which I intend to argue inward.
If you want something so badly, pay for it
Who's selling a lawfully made copy of the film Song of the South and for how much?
2. If you steal sweets from a shop then more have to be made to replace them. If you infringe copyright then there is no noticeable effect on the producer, as on the whole the extra "work" is all done by third parties.
No noticeable effect? How about the artist not making enough money and thus not making any more albums, is that noticeable enough for you?
To take it to the extremes, can we just make one (1) legal copy of the album and then have the rest being pirated copies of it, as nothing physical is lost in the process?
Puzzling evidence, could be some Senator playin' shag tag with an aid; off the beaten tweet. Maybe something encoded about B&D, Join NAMBLA (goatse.cx) , then something about watersports and rubber. I'm guessing it's a Democrat. Anyone got odds? Vegas? Code Crackers? Anyone?
Who? As in "who gives a fuck".
I can confirm. He has all the pronz.
That's great for people who live in Britain. But I'd guess that practically no VCRs in Slashdot's home country can handle PAL tapes.
Unless you pay alot extra for a dvr.
Why would you need to buy an expensive TiVo DVR from an alot instead of just plugging an HDHomeRun receiver into your existing living room PC?
I get paid for my work.
Once.
When I get paid every single time someone runs the test suite I wrote, or every time someone buys a program I worked on, that's when I'll stop bitching about the way copyright is abused.
Someone else noticed that, huh?
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is to usurp them. If all of the downloaders focused their energies into creating quality content and releasing into the public domain, then the **AA would wither into nothing. They only have power because you consume their product. If the **AA had REAL competition; you would see their influence weaken at a fast rate.
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So you advocate the abolition of the public domain, which was the entire justification for allowing the copyright monopoly in the first place? I have a feeling that copyright wouldn't be widely disrespected if it was more reasonable in length. Copyright was meant to promote the creation of new work, not to allow dickheads to squat on work made by their grandparents.
UploaderTalk is bullshit. Nobody in the "warez scene" could give two shits about it.You think you suckered a bunch of high profile pirates but you just suckered yourself
....there are such sites out there.... That's Plural...
set up by USA to monitor all of you!
Pretty sure that's more or less how commissioning art works and it worked pretty nicely since long before cheap copying (legitimate or not) became available.
Idea that the artist or his publisher should receive rent from a single piece of art for whole lifetime is rather modern.
Unless the honeypot were using unlicensed copies to seed, they were agents of the copyright holders and therefore a copy they gave out is legitimate.
As the copyright holder, or representative thereof, you can GIVE AWAY a copy of your stuff NO MATTER WHAT.
Either this dude is admitting piracy with deliberate forethought, or they are giving away the goods for free to anyone who asked *legally*.
Therefore no license is required.
If you give away your secrets, they are no longer your secrets.
If you give away a copy of your work, that copy you gave is legitimate.
Is the data/proof receivable in an investigation? Isn't this akin to entrapment? I have no idea how the US system works when it comes to honeypots.