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Solid Concepts Manufactures First 3D-Printed Metal Pistol
Zothecula writes "In a prime example of past meets future, a Texas-based company has used a century-old classic firearm as the blueprint for the world's first 3D-printed metal gun. Solid Concepts' use of a laser sintering method to create a fully functional Model 1911 automatic pistol is the latest demonstration of the potential of 3D printing techniques in industrial processing. The company's 'The gun proves laser sintering can meet tight tolerances. 3D Metal Printing has less porosity issues than an investment cast part and better complexities than a machined part. The barrel sees chamber pressure above 20,000 psi every time the gun is fired.'"
They addressed that:
better complexities than a machined part.
But hey, just because the fad of the week failed to die out and just keeps getting better and better doesn't mean you still can't be all "I hated it before it was cool" hipster about it.
Ban Metal!!!
Why is anyone surprised laser sintering is more than capable of this? This is nothing more than tech demo clickbait; anyone following the capabilities of SLS already knew this was well within the realm of possibility. Just nowhere close to the realm of practicality from a fiscal perspective.
Also, it's a waste of weight and money to do it this way. SLS should be used for key parts, but the rest should be normal 3D printed plastic (like a Glock).
in the 1911 sense.
Not to put a fine point to it, and risking being branded a heretic spouting blashphemy, it wasn't that exceptionally precise back when, and that was the bloody point of the thing. So it certainly cannot be that tight by today's standards.
Still, it's a start.
An interesting capability of this type of additive manufacturing is the ability to change the metal alloy content in different parts of a single solid piece, adding another way to adjust the overall properties of the final product.
As for making guns, well, its a good way to get attention.
This is excellent news! I know I wouldn't use some questionable hunk of plastic. I'd much rather have metal arms and high capacity magazines for ensuring the cessation of threats to myself, my family, and my property.
I suggest you come out from under your bridge and read some actual statistics before spouting off such nonsense.
This is why we can't have nice things....
Couldn't 3D printers make the news the first few years of going mainstream by producing hospital equipment or something?
I remember seeing about 10 years ago a demo of a laser sinter 3D printer used to build parts at remote or deployed locations. If they didn't have a design it is done by HQ or other engineering assists and emailed to the printer. Interestingly enough they said the sintered part was often more robust and better than the OEM. It required machining but it can be easily done.
I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
...on 3D printers than guns. The 3D printing industry is still new, and this will compete with the gun manufacturing industry (NRA). In the end, it's all about the money.
Why are semi-automatic weapons so often referred to as automatic? It seems to be a common misnomer in the US but I'm curious why.
better complexities than a machined part.
But weaker parts.
When making metal parts the the metallurgical properties are more important than the shape. The direction of the molecules in the metal make the difference between something that's hard and brittle vs. something that's soft and elastic.
GizMag is retarded.
The 1911 is semi-automatic.
Automatic pistols are idiotic.
Chuuch. Preach. Tabernacle.
3D Metal Printing has less porosity issues than an investment cast part
fewer
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Some geometries are impossible to make with CNC and machined parts always weigh more... if a part meets it's specification who cares how it was done?
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You know, repeating a lie doesn't make it true.
FWIW, the NRA is mainly funded by member dues and donations, not gun manufacturers.
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Parts machined from steel stock are fairly well known characteristics, re: machined steel characteristics, tolerances, and variability of a foundries output, are very well known in manufacturing. but then steel manufacturing has been around a long time. i dont know as much about the proprties of sintereed metal, and therefore the parts made of it. so I'd want to see some extensive testng done of the sintered metal, or the results anyway, so that I could have the same confidence and knowledge of the material.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
What would you recommend someone use to protect their family from guns? Tell the attacker to stand still for 15 minutes while you call 911 and wait for the cops to arrive?
TFA isn't exactly clear, but they seem to be saying that parts made this way are stronger then castings.
I wonder if this would have applications in any of the new launch vehicle engines. For simple parts, SLS might be cost prohibitive, but for complex parts, it may provide superior strength and more complex, one piece parts.
If material strength isn't an issue, then he sky's the limit.
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In the video, they show a part being tapped after forming. If the barrel of the gun can be rifled internally during manufacture, why can't a part be cast with a tapped hole?
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yeah, i wonder how many libertarian retards are going to blow their hands off trying to fire some home made piece of printed shit.
But weaker parts.
When making metal parts the the metallurgical properties are more important than the shape. The direction of the molecules in the metal make the difference between something that's hard and brittle vs. something that's soft and elastic.
You can harden and temper the printed metal part just like any other.
Percentage of people eventually dying:
With guns: 100%
Without guns: 100%
OK, but maybe there are indirect effects? Well, let's see:
If you get killed before you procreate, the number of people born, and therefore the number of people dying, is reduced.
If you get killed after you procreate, the number of people born, and therefore the number of people dying, is not directly affected.
But then, maybe there's an even more indirect effect which causes people to have more children if there are more guns?
They may get their funding from members and donations, but their policy and leadership is set by the minority that side with gun manufacturers. Example: most NRA members (75%) support sensible gun control whereas the lobbying arm will score against legislators that propose and vote for them (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/01/28/strong-majority-of-americans-nra-members-back-gun-control)
So what happens when the 3d printer is brought through airport security, then used to print a gun after it's through the checkpoint?
(yes, i know, gunpowder won't likely make it past the checkpoint, but I still feel the question is valid... besides, gunpowder is a mix of metals, perhaps the raw metals would be allowed through in solid block form, then just shave away and mix)
I should stop asking these questions (publicly) before I find myself on the do-not-fly list.
After three shots the spring hasn't push forward the upper part (sorry I don't know much about guns).
So the gun is no longer ready to shot right away.
Do you know why ?
Percentage of people eventually dying:
With guns: 100%
Without guns: 100%
7% of all people who have ever lived are alive today, meaning human mortality is currently somewhere around 93%.
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The NRA isn't the "gun manufacturing industry".
The NRA is a group of about 5 million US individuals that are interested in guns, gun sports, self-defense, gun history and gun ownership. The bulk of the NRA's activities involve gun education, training and safety. The NRA is involved heavily in police and military gun training.
Industry contributions to the NRA are but a small part of the funding of the organization. The bulk of the NRA's funding comes from individual memberships and contributions.
Stop being an uneducated troll, get your facts straight.
Stop drawing attention to 3d printing with all this gun crap.
Wait until 3d printing is cheap and in the hands of EVERYONE. Before you start doing things that will piss people off.
If you keep this up it's going to end up banned or regulated before it becomes commonplace.
Example: most NRA members (75%) support sensible gun control
And how many people agree on a single definition of sensible?
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." Col. Jeff Cooper
When the truth of that "Sensible Gun Control" comes to light - universal registration and a ban on private sales - that 75% drops to zero.
Congress could have many times in recent years passed a law specifying that only dealers can sell at shows and closed the "loophole". But that's never enough for them. It always extends to private transfers, and thus by definition, enacts federal universal registration.
Fortunately the NRA does what I pay them for and fights this.
I've been trying to sort out the "guns" issue from a scientific point of view. After some extended searching, I believe the answer is "more guns is better".
This is made enormously difficult by the vast ocean of misinformation put forth by advocates on both sides of the issue. It's an interesting exercise in clear thinking just to sort through the claims to come up with an opinion unfettered by bad logic. I've included some examples below.
In summary, the best measurable statistic appears to be "chance of death from all causes" at the national level. This statistic avoids most of the bad math and bad thinking, and it's easy to measure and verify. The US does not have good health care, and this [national] attribute has a large effect on the mortality rate unrelated to gun-related deaths, so you can't use the US for comparison purposes at the national level. A better comparison is made between two countries with similar national health care and different gun policies. England and Switzerland, for example.
Comparing England and Switzerland indicates that "more guns" is associated with "less mortality". This echoes comparisons made within the US at the local level, where areas with public access to guns have less crime and mortality.
It's pointless to debate the issues in this forum due to the enormous and convoluted "poor statistics" cited by people on both sides of the issue, and virtually everyone is cognitively dissonant and emotionally invested in the answer.
A good analysis of the issues can be found here.
Below are just a few examples of popular claims, and how they mislead the reader into one side or the other. There are misleading claims on both sides, so don't read too much into the choice of examples.
Example 1: "Guns do not make a nation safer, say US doctors who have compared the rate of firearms-related deaths in countries where many people own guns with the death rate in countries where gun ownership is rare." (source) (False comparison: when gun ownership goes down, deaths due to other causes rises.)
Example 2: England has fewer gun-related murders, but a much higher rate of beating murders. (Undecidable: In the US, a non-suicide gunshot victim is automatically a murder, in England it's not a murder unless there's a trial and conviction.)
Example 3: If you have a gun in the house, you're more likely to accidentally shoot a family member than a burglar. (Wrong statistic: Having a gun depresses the chance of crime for your neighbors, the overall gain in safety for the community may be more than the loss of safety for the individual. See Polio vaccine.)
Simple: For coastal liberal elites who have never owned or used guns, any firearm restriction is "sensible."
There's no end to the things our political elites are willing to take away from people who aren't them.
So they made a copy of an old gun? Can they make a copy of auto parts that are not manufactured any more? What kind of industry economics are there for the selling of replacement parts for old cars?
More FUD. For one all the parts have to be machined after the fact, which I'm guessing a 3d powdered metal printer is extremely expensive and it's media costly to, then add in machining tools to do the proper maching. So if you have lots of capiatal then you could do this or just make gun the traditional way. Since last time I checked people are not chomping at the bit to build guns, I think it is less then a speck if a speck of a problem. I know the "but cost will come down" crowd will be on here, but last time I checked machining equipment like Cncs or even old school Bridgeport machines are still extremely costly. So I am thinking the cost of 3d printing in mental will remain a expensive operation.
Your "statistics" have been debunked; read a few comments up. Thanks for playing.
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Define "sensible."
Where I come from, you see a lot of posters and bumper stickers that say something to the effect of, "gun control is using both hands/knowing your target." Something tells me our idea of 'sensible' is going to be a bit different than, say, someone living in NYC.
Side note: I see from your link that they're basing this claim on a poll, but do not actually have a link anywhere on the page for readers to review the poll for themselves (at least, not that I found).
This being Slashdot, with a crowd more perceptive than most, I don't think I need to explain the problem with bias in opinion polls. For example, see this article in which the NRA claims that the one in your article is bunk, and did their own survey achieving a completely different result.
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The direction of the molecules in the metal make the difference between something that's hard and brittle vs. something that's soft and elastic.
Great. Now I have a Salvador Dali vision of a nice, gooey 45 caliber pistol kind of dripping and drooping...
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Sintered metal often has a lot of microscopic voids in the resulting grain structure so I'm kind of surprised it withstood 50 rounds. The slamming of the action exacerbates the fracture tendency as well. It's basically proof-of-concept, but I'm curious how many rounds this thing would take before failing. I like their clever choice of Inconel even if used only for the barrel (not sure where they used it though).
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So cryo treat the metal before it is printed..just like you cryo treat tool steel (REAL tool steel..for punch/dies) before it's put into a mill..
Or how you cryo treat spot welder tips before they are put into a lathe...
Ditto with the heat treat oven..
Example: most NRA members (75%) support sensible gun control
And how many people agree on a single definition of sensible?
The usual definition of 'sensible' used for this claim is something very non-controversial, like "Convicted violent felons should not have access to guns."
Do you agree? Congratulations! You're in favor of Gun Control!
How are gun barrels typically made? Machined forgings?
How would a conventionally-made gun barrel compare with one made from laser-sintered metal powder?
Will 3D printing ever work for (say) car engine blocks and con-rods?
First sentence of the blog post:
"Let me start out by saying one, very important thing: This is not about desktop 3D Printers."
Since when are there molecules in solid metal?
Nutters will try to ban 3d printers now. Except that you can still buy machine tools to make guns. I think some thoughtless (there are other words to better describe it but we will go with thoughtless) politicians decide that 3d printers should be banned "because you can make the guns with them". Ignore the fact that you can make a zip gun out of a lot less, and all the guns made during world wars 1 and 2 and all the wars since were made without 3d printers, and all those machines are still available, and you can still buy guns in the US so long as you can prove you are at least 5 years old and have the cash to buy the AK47. Some gun dealers might require that your mom send a note, but most won't bother her for it. You will likely have to pay cash, and should remember to get the night scope and 300,000 rounds of hollow point ammunition.
Your view is somewhat skewed because you don't take in account how much the parents being alive influences the number of children who reach the procreative age and procreate themselves.
The thing is, people make their own guns all the time in gun fans' equivalent to makers meets. They use a combination of tecniques. You really want the barrel and receiver to be forged, not cast. But you can take roughed-out forged parts and them CnC mill them to perfection, and get the strength easily enough.
There's little point in trying to CnC mill the entire gun, but a combination of forged blanks, a rolled tube for a barrel, some milling, and simply buying all the other pieces mail order (they sell kits for this), and you have a perfectly serviceable AR15 with no serial number. In most places that's perfectly legal, as long as you've avoided any legal landmines along the way and especially that you never sell it.
That's the thing, legally. In most places in the US you can legally make your own gun, but making a gun for someone else makes you a firearms dealer. People are arguing over where selling the code to allow someone to make a gun automatically lands, legally (if you follow kit cars at all, you'll find this all familiar).
Outside the US, in places where you can't legally make your own gun, this is a much bugger deal.
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if a part meets it's specification who cares how it was done?
That's the point if 3D printing cannot produce the metallurgical specifications you cannot use it.
There is reasons why different parts are machined, cast, forged, cold forged, etc...
Wow the first truly "unexpected" comment I've read on slashdot in a long time.
Nice.
You can harden and temper the printed metal part just like any other.
That won't be as strong as something cold forged. Not to mention that you can cold forge millions of parts in the same time it takes to print one part.
And magnets. How do they work?
On the other hand, you can print thousands of unique parts before you prepare one new forging die.
I'm happy (indeed - eager!) to examine a better analysis. If I can't find flaws, it'll inform my opinions and I'll include it in future postings on the issue.
Please include references of statistics so that I can fully analyze the arguments of both sides. There is just so much disinformation out there that the first step can only be tossing out all anecdotes and un-cited facts.
Here's an example (posted above) of what doesn't serve to inform the debate (it's ad-hominem, anecdotal, and un-falsifiable):
The American Thinker article is worthless. It just gives more of the false comparisons that you're complaining about. (Yeah, if you remove a whole bunch of poor people from the crime stats for any nation, their murder rate will look way better.) The author also attempts to profit from the audience's ignorance by comparing with nations like Jamaica and Brazil and hoping the reader doesn't know that those are some of the most crime-ridden, gang-infested countries on earth, where gangs rule neighborhoods and police fight pitched battles with criminals.
How did you pack so much ignorance into so few words?
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Yes. I think Jay Leno has someone doing this for him.
The ironic thing is that the "loophole" can be easily closed by cryptographic means.
1: User goes to the government's website, gets cleared for a purchase, and gets a QR code they can download or print.
2: User takes QR code to show.
3: Seller scans QR code with offline app (no need for Internet access since the app just decodes the QR code and runs a gpg check on the signature, then prints out the owner's name), it checks it against the g'vt's public key, and if it verifies, the buyer is able to purchase a firearm. If not, no sale.
Result: No laws changed, no new laws need to be added, the "gun show loophole" is closed, nobody has to know how many or what type of firearms the buyer has, and nobody who is not expressly cleared to purchase one can get their hands on one.
Win all the way around.
Quick followup: The QR code has a fairly short expiration time (1 day to a week.)
They may get their funding from members and donations, but their policy and leadership is set by the minority that side with gun manufacturers. Example: most NRA members (75%) support sensible gun control whereas the lobbying arm will score against legislators that propose and vote for them (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/01/28/strong-majority-of-americans-nra-members-back-gun-control)
You mean sensible measures like banning guns based on cosmetic features, it about as sensible as noting hookers wear black dresses so we ban black dresses to stop prostitution.
A lot of people don’t understand where this “90 percent of Americans support expanded background checks” number came from. It’s been drawn from a Quinnipiac poll http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/florida/release-detail?ReleaseID=1870.
31. Do you favor or oppose requiring background checks for all gun buyers?”
Over 90% said they favor background checks.
35. Who do you think better reflects your views on guns, President Obama or the National Rifle Association?
45% said the NRA, 44% said Obama.
Do you understand what the "loophole" really is?
First understand that background checks are already required when you buy a gun from a dealer at a gun show. This has been the law for many years. No exceptions. It's easily done by phone and has the advantage that the state police at the door can walk right over and arrest any felon who tries to buy a gun.
If I, as a normal private citizen, decide I want to sell one of my own guns, I can go to a show and carry it around with a "For Sale" sign and somebody might approach me and offer to buy it. Private Sale = No Background Check (and despite what the Brady Center says, this really doesn't happen very often).
There's your "Loophole".
Your QR code is a novel approach, but all the private seller has to do is say, "Hey, lets go out in the parking lot and do this."
So then you have to regulate the parking lot. Seller says, "Hey, lets go to my house and do this."
So then you have to regulate our homes. Seller says, "Screw it. I'm not checking this stupid QR code anyways."
So to enforce it, now you have to connect the gun to the owner so you can make sure they get sold with proper QR codes.
Bam! Registration.
The only way to enforce background checks on private sales is full Federal Mandatory Gun Registration. Otherwise, it will not work.
And, honestly, if that's what "We The People" really want, then so be it. Just so they're clear about it. Stop calling it "Close the loophole", because it's going to be a lot more than just that.
They may get their funding from members and donations, but their policy and leadership is set by the minority that side with gun manufacturers.
The purpose of the NRA precludes them being at odds with gun manufacturers you moron. The NRA is entirely about gun education, safety and freedom, and people that value those things pay dues to ensure that the NRA can do those things. There's no way to pursue that agenda without it directly benefiting gun manufacturers.
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Pardon me, but I believe you are misunderstanding the cryotreating process. It is based on repeatedly cooling and heating a *finished* part to allow the atoms in the structure to heal themselves of defects (simple explanation). http://www.metalscience.com/index.php is a link to some of the basics and how cryotreating achieves what it does.
Not to mention that you can cold forge millions of parts in the same time it takes to print one part.
A drop forge can make a part a second. A 3D printer can sinter a part per hour. That is not "millions" of times faster. Furthermore, you are ignoring the time it takes to create the mold for your multi-ton drop forge. The lead time for that can be weeks.
No no no.
When they try to restrict 3D printers, the NRA will likely object because that restricts their source of gun parts. Especially parts for unusual guns. Surely, the NRA appreciate one-offs and out-of-production models too - not only run-of-the mill guns?
Pardon me, but I believe you are misunderstanding the cryotreating process. It is based on repeatedly cooling and heating a *finished* part
I think you misunderstood the GPP (I did a double take myself). He is not saying you cryo-treat the part. He is saying that you cryo-treat the cutting tool.
I'm pretty sure that the official NRA policy is that they do support restrictions on the right of felons to own guns.
Your QR code is a novel approach, but all the private seller has to do is say, "Hey, lets go out in the parking lot and do this."
The point in making it illegal is not to make sure that all sellers do it, but that most do - which they will, if doing otherwise would be a crime, even if you don't actually enforce it. Yes, of course, there will still be a black market for no-background-check gun sales. It will still be smaller, and such guns would be harder and more expensive to get, so fewer people would have them.
if a part meets it's specification who cares how it was done?
That's the point if 3D printing cannot produce the metallurgical specifications you cannot use it.
There is reasons why different parts are machined, cast, forged, cold forged, etc...
FWIW, their printed metal gun successfully fired 50 rounds of .45 ACP, so calculating how much weaker a 3d print versus a milled/cast version is just mental masturbation.
I really doubt it. Metal printing isn't new, and i guarantee you that someone has made a firearm before using "additive machining". You just haven't heard about it as most people who do things like that don't run off and post on youtube.
Now, when the printer isn't $500k+ and instead is affordable by the average guy, THEN you have a cool story. And to be honest, if you have the $ to spend on a printer like that, you could get a CNC machine and do it the traditional way just as easily ( and have a far more durable product ).
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Drop a giant printer, print me a house and leave a key in the door.
I am going to do with no windows put leds and cameras where there were windows so I can see all sides of the house from any window and any other view I wish.
Solid doors with led on them as well, my heat and cooling cost just went way down.
A drop forge doesn't need to make one at a time.
Can't see any springs on the exploded view; no main spring, hammer spring, firing spring, sear spring.
No magazine or magazine spring, too.
"Bugger deal"? Is that an attempt at simulating a Kiwi accent?
I'm sure the techs love printing guns. And it's a nice demonstration of the process. But I'd bet that a gun made by laser sintering is a lot more expensive than one made with conventional techniques, or by CNC machining. Until laser sintering machines ares as common as a drill press, I don't think there's any need to worry about criminals using it. Guns, even machine guns, are old tech, and can be made with old tech.
Like with anything BATFE related, there is no hard and fast rule.
No, you cannot make one for the express purpose of selling it (without appropriate licenses aquired and taxes paid, both for operation and for the actual firearm - see the Pittman-Robertson Act).
However, you can sell them at some point. How long later, how many, etc. is all up in the air and up to definition by the BATFE. And even if you get a decision letter from them, it may not apply to other people in similar situations.
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The AK-47 was not based on the StG 44. That falsehood continues to circulate even though it has been thoroughly debunked. Read a book.
Very true. A seller isn't forced to do it. However, it is CYA, and almost all reasonable firearm sellers really don't want to sell stuff to someone who might be a felon. Getting known for putting crime guns on the street is bad for business as a dealer. Very bad.
No, it isn't 100%, but it requires collusion between a buyer and seller. However, it narrows a gap without a single new law, and does so in a fairly easily implementable manner that guards privacy.
FWIW, their printed metal gun successfully fired 50 rounds of .45 ACP, so calculating how much weaker a 3d print versus a milled/cast version is just mental masturbation.
However, IIRC, the primary furor about the proof-of-concept of a 3D-printed plastic gun was that, as a plastic gun, it would not be readily detectable by the various security scanners in use. A 3D-printed metal gun doesn't have that issue; it will show up readily on scanners. Which means that the Chicken Little imitations the gun-control lobby is doing is because it establishes that it's not going to be possible to appease their hoplophobia, because virtually anyone will be able to produce their own holdout.
Outside the US this is hardly a big deal: it's illegal to own, or make, weapons.
Now a machine shop could do it, and someone talented with home tools could do it, but what's the point? At the end of the day you have exactly 1 gun, which is going to look pretty obviously home-made, which when recovered by law enforcement will lead to either the guy they got it from rolling over on you, or the police will simply take a look at the map, do a bit of neighborhood scouting and door knocking, and then keep an eye on the shifty guy with a surprisingly large garage full of machine tools.
This would be a big deal if laser sintering printers were common, but they're not and won't be for a long time.
If you're a 3D-printing company, and you need to get your name in the press, making Yet Another Plastic Head of Cory Doctorow just isn't going to do the job, even if you 3D-print the googles and red cape all in one pass. The first 3D-printed gun was mostly done to make a political point (certainly not to be a useful gun.) This one's probably a lot better manufacturing, and that's going to generate some technical hype and possible demand for printing other metal things that previously had to be made using more traditional technologies (like low-cost CNC milling machines :-) but it's the fact that guns get lots of people to freak out that gets their name in the press. (And even if you don't remember their name, if you're looking to get something made of metal that's a similar complexity, you'll probably remember that it can be 3D-printed now and Google will find them for you.)
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Outside the US this is hardly a big deal: it's illegal to own, or make, weapons.
You need to get out more.
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The fuckedy what what
Selling a working firearm with no serial number just sounds so likely to be illegal for one reason or another at some level (local, state, federal) that I can't imaging trying it. Heck, I'd be worried about inheriting one.
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Well, if the brown shirts come for your family, exactly 1 gun is worlds better than exactly 0 guns. But, hey, maybe that sort of thing could never happen where you are, and that's really the only scenario where I see an illegal firearm being a good idea.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
It is illegal for a felon to possess a gun.
It it already illegal to provide a gun to a felon.
It is also illegal for a felon to even attempt to purchase a gun.
Simply filling out the background check application is illegal. Yet, this law is never enforced. Something like 2 out of 5000 cases are prosecuted. This is unacceptable because it's a slam-dunk case with the evidence signed in the criminal's own handwriting. Yet our justice department will not prosecute. Really, why aren't Feinstien and Schumer all over this?
More laws are not the solution. The ones on the book already will do the job if they are enforced.
As for the CYA, just walk over to a dealer's table and ask that they run the paperwork. It'll cost like ten bucks and then you're in the clear. Anybody who sells a gun in the classifieds is INSANE. I wouldn't risk prison for that!
From what I've heard, they are not interested in enforcing what is on they books; they want new laws.
Since marijuana is slowly becoming legal, the prisons have to be filled somehow, so might as well use gun owners to keep Corrections Corporation of America stock up (it seems to be doing better than Apple the past few years, all things considered.)
Another prohibition is the real goal, not actually keeping the streets safe. If they wanted safe streets, there would be better schools, perhaps jobs, or even a program like the WPA so drug dealing or gangbanging isn't the only choices for a lot of people here. Hell, let CXW and Geo run the schools (they run schools in prisons anyway.) That way, their stock prices go up, and are doing something other than profiting on locked up people.
Maybe in some state or municipality, but you have to remember that pistols were not legally required to have one until 1934 and rifles and shotguns weren't required to have one until 1968.
Of course, if a firearm *had* one (military, manufacturer put one on anyway for warranty work, etc) then removing it is a Big No No.
Making a firearm under federal law, if you are a individual and do not have a FFL and SOT for manufacture (SOT - special occupation tax) then you do not have to pay the 11% excise tax (Pittmanâ"Robertson Federal Aid in Wildlife Restoration Act of '37) or apply a serial number, although the serial number is strongly recommended for identification purposes.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos
So they made a copy of an old gun? Can they make a copy of auto parts that are not manufactured any more? What kind of industry economics are there for the selling of replacement parts for old cars?
Tons of companies are still selling replacement parts for my 1970 Volkswagen Beetle so....pretty good?
In contrast, the 1911 is an old design but it is still being made today.
My Colt 1911 is my preferred weapon and it's only a few years old.
The design is powerful, accurate, and extremely reliable.
Except the process of metal printing will melt your cryo-treated powder, destroying the microstructure created by cryo-treatment.