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Meet the 'Assassination Market' Creator Who's Crowdfunding Murder With Bitcoins

schwit1 writes "As Silk Road emerged from the 'dark-web', other sites have appeared offering services that are frowned upon by most. As Forbes reports, perhaps the most-disturbing is 'The Assassination Market' run by a pseudonymous Kuwabatake Sanjuro. The site, remarkably, is a crowdfunding service that lets anyone anonymously contribute bitcoins towards a bounty on the head of any government official–a kind of Kickstarter for political assassinations. As Forbes reports, NSA Director Alexander and President Obama have a BTC40 bounty (~$24,000) but the highest bounty — perhaps not entirely surprising — is BTC 124.14 (~$75,000) for none other than Ben Bernanke."

291 comments

  1. Assassination Politics by ryanr · · Score: 4, Informative

    Assassination Politics I think he went to jail for it.

    1. Re:Assassination Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not for it directly, for it is clear first-amendment content. The feds got him for other things (questionable or not).

    2. Re:Assassination Politics by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 5, Funny

      As well he should. That website's layout is downright criminal.

    3. Re:Assassination Politics by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 2

      Yeah this is fairly old news. As far as I'm aware he's been in and out of prison for most of his life since proposing the idea in a fit of extreme libertarianism. Did someone actually go through with it?

    4. Re:Assassination Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Everyone's guilty of something these days - if they want to deal with you all they have to do is look closely enough.

    5. Re:Assassination Politics by PPH · · Score: 2

      Credit Default Swaps.

      You can include practically any terms you want in a swap. I'm sure the lawyers could write up a clause covering 'unplanned change in head of state' to cover an assassination. In fact, it would not surprise me if paper traded by major banks are covered for a sudden change in the Fed's governing body.

      <Tinfoil_hat_mode>I would not be surprised if the mortgage backed security market collapse was triggered in part by an 'unfavorable change in the Administration' clause in some contracts. </Tinfoil_hat_mode>

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    6. Re:Assassination Politics by boorack · · Score: 1

      This will be pretty good excuse for government thugs to shut down Bitcoin and possibly jail anyone having some in his/her posession. I'm not sure US government thugs did actually conceive such crap but I'm perfectly sure they wouldn't be happier hearing this news.

    7. Re:Assassination Politics by ButchDeLoria · · Score: 1

      Good luck, after the Congressional hearing today, they're going to embrace it.

    8. Re:Assassination Politics by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      Yes, he went to jail for various tax-related charges, and then again for violation of parole, and was released in March 2012. And now this website is online. Not that the two have any affiliation.

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    9. Re:Assassination Politics by whoever57 · · Score: 2

      Agatha Christie: The Pale Horse.

      You place a bet with an unscrupulous bookmaker that a certain person will live beyond the next month. When that doesn't happen, you have to pay the bet.

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    10. Re:Assassination Politics by bmo · · Score: 1

      You place a bet with an unscrupulous bookmaker that a certain person will live beyond the next month. When that doesn't happen, you have to pay the bet.

      Isn't this called insurance?

      "The good-hands people" around yer neck.

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    11. Re:Assassination Politics by kill-1 · · Score: 2

      If you bet that your own house burns down, it's insurance. If you bet that your neighbor's house burns down, it's a credit default swap.

    12. Re:Assassination Politics by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      ...triggered in part by an 'unfavorable change in the Administration' clause in some contracts...

      Perhaps not in contracts, but in my time working in finance, I have seen investment strategies planned heavily on the outcome of a single election, considering ramifications for a few years in advance.

      While I never saw anything as ridiculous as "sell all of $SECURITY if $CANDIDATE wins", I did encounter plans like "if $CANDIDATE wins, move into $SECURITY until $PROMISE happens, then move out of $LOSER1 or $LOSER2 as appropriate".

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    13. Re:Assassination Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That page might be "downright criminal", however, it is not the messenger, it is the message, that counts.
      That page was put up back in the mid-nineties. HTM code was quite limited. So, it ain't pretty. Neither are those who think that pretty means more than content.
      BTW, Jim did not put up the page. I did, as the FBI was looking at both Jim and I (investigating), so out of respect for Jim, I put it up while he was in prison. I will keep it up simply to stick it in the face of the feds.
      There have been over 600 visits to the page, today, mostly because of the link provided here. So, Jim's thoughts from two decades ago seem to still deserve attention.

    14. Re:Assassination Politics by shentino · · Score: 2

      Soliciting a market for murder for hire is a lot WORSE than shouting fire in a crowded theater.

      This is swinging your fist so far into your neighbor's nose that you're punching the back of their skull out.

    15. Re:Assassination Politics by shentino · · Score: 2

      Actually with insurance you're betting that it WILL burn down.

      The analogy back to the bookmaker would be a bet AGAINST survival.

    16. Re:Assassination Politics by homey+of+my+owney · · Score: 1

      'have appeared offering services that are frowned upon by most.'

      Frowned on? Really? Frowned on?! Are you fucking kidding me? Have reached the point with political correctness that we can't call it what it is?! Fucking crazy?!

    17. Re:Assassination Politics by paiute · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Everyone's guilty of something these days - if they want to deal with you all they have to do is look closely enough.

      If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him. - Cardinal Richelieu

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    18. Re:Assassination Politics by korbulon · · Score: 1

      It's not political correctness when it's an obscene understatement made for comic effect, but in your case...

      WHOOOSH!

    19. Re:Assassination Politics by maestroX · · Score: 1

      First post with a link that's not slashdotted.
      pussies

    20. Re:Assassination Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone's guilty of something these days - if they want to deal with you all they have to do is look closely enough.

      If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him. - Cardinal Richelieu

      That's because he used the handwriting sample to forge contracts with the devil that his agents would then "discover" while searching his enemy's house (the Church had its own extensive judicial system in those days). It's one of those phrases, like "let them eat cake", that has been twisted and distorted from its original context even if it is not wholly apocryphal.

    21. Re:Assassination Politics by s.petry · · Score: 2

      I don't think it's worse than that, because _if_ someone attempted very few would be harmed. Nor do I think it's the same by any comparative measure. Shouting "Fire" in a theater harms numerous people that are all innocent. In the case of an assassination attempt, most likely the guy who tried to pull the trigger, and perhaps a body guard or two would be hurt and perhaps the politician. An attempted assassination would be one criminal trying to kill another criminal (at least using the sample names in TFA).

      People often make the mistake of putting politicians on pedestal, and it should be treated as worse than janitorial use. At least in a Republic.

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    22. Re:Assassination Politics by chill · · Score: 1

      The Queen is not amused.

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    23. Re:Assassination Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This will be pretty good excuse for government thugs to shut down Bitcoin and possibly jail anyone having some in his/her posession. I'm not sure US government thugs did actually conceive such crap but I'm perfectly sure they wouldn't be happier hearing this news.

      So you're saying that if any other government were to shut down a site hosting a "hit" on the Head of State, they would not be thugs?
      Good to know.

    24. Re:Assassination Politics by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      because it's not cratering like the US dollar, the government has to put their money into something.

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    25. Re:Assassination Politics by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's because he used the handwriting sample to forge contracts with the devil that his agents would then "discover" while searching his enemy's house (the Church had its own extensive judicial system in those days). It's one of those phrases, like "let them eat cake", that has been twisted and distorted from its original context even if it is not wholly apocryphal.

      [citation needed]

    26. Re: Assassination Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So it's okay to kill janitors?

    27. Re: Assassination Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Record market highs are unfavorable?

    28. Re: Assassination Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is the dollar cratering again?

    29. Re:Assassination Politics by Mitchell314 · · Score: 2

      In the US, we don't hold the position that just because you are a criminal means you should be killed. In fact, the bill of rights has this peculiar amendment addressing that punishment should not be in excess of the crime committed. It's dictatorships and very anti-freedom hellholes that take the opposite stance.

      tl;dr: We put humans life (politician, criminal, or not) on a pedestal. That's part of being a civilized Republic.

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    30. Re:Assassination Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We put humans life (politician, criminal, or not) on a pedestal."

      Not exactly.

      But those lives **certainly** have a great deal of value... to the Corrections Corporation of America.

    31. Re:Assassination Politics by s.petry · · Score: 1

      I didn't claim there was no equal protection under the law. I responded to a person that claimed that assassinating a political figure was worse than yelling fire in a crowded theater.

      There was just a bit of sarcasm in the comment regarding a criminal (assassin) killing a criminal (politician). A bit because while everyone has equal protection, generally society has much less pity on a criminal killing another criminal, compared to a criminal killing a citizen that is not a criminal. Additionally, criminals are displaced from society and during certain punishments are not citizens (at least with the rights and privileges as every other citizen.)

      Putting politicians on a pedestal has nothing to do with being a Republic. It is called being brain washed into believing that all of these politicians are celebrities that should be worshiped. The first President was pretty close to Socrates' description of what a politician should be. He didn't want the job either time he was voted in. People like that are the ideal a Republic depends on to be successful.

      If your last statement was that we are everyone is "special" and you are trying to be the coach of the "feel good" squad, do so with a bit less generalization after trying to argue a point that was very specific.

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    32. Re:Assassination Politics by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      So you're saying that being a politician is just considered a misdemeanour?

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    33. Re:Assassination Politics by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      Bitcoins have experienced drops in value over the course of a single day that are greater than the drop in value of the US dollar over the entire great depression, or its total deflation over the last 100 years. It's not cratering because it's value is effectively a random number and it will keep going up for as long as people are making money from the wild fluctuations in value of an unregulated instrument. When the big speculators cash out and the rest realise that they just own a magic number that no one with significant assets has ever promised to accept in payment, you'll see what cratering really means.

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    34. Re:Assassination Politics by jalopezp · · Score: 1

      He's unlikely to even have said the phrase, let alone implied anything about framing the poor honest man over a pact with the devil. The story is not good because it's true, it's good because it's good.

    35. Re:Assassination Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's odd, I'd say the layout is perfect.

      There are no huge bars of whitespace running down the sides of the page, something that you commonly see in "properly" designed layouts.

      There are no advertising inlays positioned in counterintuitive locations.

      Paragraph breaks are used properly, and headings separate sections of the text.

      The page even renders properly and remains 100% functional when viewed in Lynx.

      I'd say the layout makes use of HTML the way HTML was designed to be used. It's a refreshing change of pace. I'd argue that it's the "Web 2.0" way of abusing HTML that's downright criminal.

    36. Re:Assassination Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read the essay you linked to.

      My head hurts, and I want my money back.

      Jim Bell takes lunacy to a whole new level.

    37. Re:Assassination Politics by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him. - Cardinal Richelieu

      Richelieu was an optimist.

      He admitted to the possibility of an honest man existing, for his agents to find, get handwriting from, and then have hung.

      Modern law enforcement doesn't really believe in the possibility of people not being "perps" in some form.

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    38. Re:Assassination Politics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck with that. Bitcoin users are harder to track than torrenters, and slowly becoming as numerous. The only reason they got Silk Road's is because they tracked down the site and grabbed the physical boxes in the process. Remember kids, never keep what you want to keep. Meanwhile, I'd love to see them come up with a charge against anyone involved in bitcoin that would stick.

  2. The problem is collecting the bounty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Odds are you're going to be dead immediately after, so what good does the money do you?

    1. Re:The problem is collecting the bounty by couchslug · · Score: 2

      You may want another recipient to collect the bounty while you do what you otherwise do not mind doing, or may even be inclined to do. The world is a diverse place.

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    2. Re:The problem is collecting the bounty by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Informative

      The last few chumps who took shots at US Presidents all lived to talk about it. The Secret Service is a law enforcement organization, not an execution squad, they're under the same obligation as any other LEO to apprehend a suspect alive when possible. Of course, Bitcoin probably doesn't go very far at the Terre Haute prison commissary.....

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    3. Re:The problem is collecting the bounty by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      You can find anything on the internet, should have waited a bit longer for my post. ;)

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    4. Re:The problem is collecting the bounty by cheater512 · · Score: 1

      Oh I disagree. I would imagine the population there would be familiar with the Silk Road.

    5. Re:The problem is collecting the bounty by schwit1 · · Score: 1

      ... That you know of.

    6. Re:The problem is collecting the bounty by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 1

      Is that what I think it is? They aren't simply content on using slave labor anymore in prisons, they're also turning the slavers into consumers for double the profits?

    7. Re:The problem is collecting the bounty by Jayfar · · Score: 1, Informative

      Of course, Bitcoin probably doesn't go very far at the Terre Haute prison commissary.....

      Oh I disagree. I would imagine the population there would be familiar with the Silk Road.

      I think that's the Hershey Highway you're thinking of.

    8. Re:The problem is collecting the bounty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once the first bullet flies LEO's could care less about "apprehending the suspect", they will shoot first and ask questions later. About the only way the guy is coming out alive is if there is a witness and the guy with the gun, tosses it to the side, and lies facedown with his arms wide waiting for them. Otherwise he's toast. See modern SWAT tactics. Even then he's just about as likely to get a bullet to the back of the head.

    9. Re:The problem is collecting the bounty by imunfair · · Score: 2

      Actually by killing someone important you'd probably be more likely to live these days. They'd want to know if you were working alone, so you'd end up in some black site across the globe being tortured.

      After that was over they might kill you, or more likely make a public example out of you.

    10. Re:The problem is collecting the bounty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure it's not as bad as you think. Inmates clearly have a choice between Speed Stick, Degree, and Power Up deodorant brands.

      It occurs to me you could actually be beaten up in prison if you pick the wrong one, though.

    11. Re:The problem is collecting the bounty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      While incarcerated inmates get a weekly prisoner's pension. It's not a lot, but it allows them to have a small amount of control over their own affair while incarcerated. What they don't spend while incarcerated, they receive as a lump sum upon release to get them by while they are being declined jobs for being a felon.

    12. Re:The problem is collecting the bounty by EdIII · · Score: 1

      I think you mean baseball. It doesn't matter whether they are pitching or catching, they're still playing ball..

    13. Re:The problem is collecting the bounty by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 2

      I'd rather not use one. According to the ads, deodorants are sexy as hell, and sexiness and prisons are disastrous bedfellows.

    14. Re:The problem is collecting the bounty by Shakrai · · Score: 2

      Profits? Did you look at the link? Some of the items (stamps) are sold at cost, others are sold at prices below anything I can match at the grocery store (generic Advil, 24 count, $1.65), while a few seem marked up a small amount ($2.05 for a single AA battery). Frankly I'm surprised they can meet costs at these prices, since there's a non-zero cost associated with trucking these items into the prison for sale.

      Commissary isn't where they screw inmates and their families. That would be done via the collect phone calls required to communicate with the incarcerated, as anyone who has ever had a friend or relative in prison can attest to. There's a reason why cellular phones are one of the hottest ticket contraband items on the inside. Not sure if the Federal system operates like this or not, but I have had the privilege of communicating with family members on the inside in New York (>$0.50/min back in the 1990s) and North Carolina (>$0.75/min), and they absolutely hose you on those calling rates.

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    15. Re:The problem is collecting the bounty by NoKaOi · · Score: 4, Informative

      The last few chumps who took shots at US Presidents all lived to talk about it.

      Every successful US presidential assassination has resulted in the assassin's death:
      Lincoln: The assassin, John Wilkes Booth, was tracked down by Union soldiers and killed.
      Garfield: The assassin, Charles Guiteau, was executed by hanging.
      McKinley: The assassin, Leon Czolgosz, was executed by electric chair.
      Kennedy: The assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald*, was shot in the Dallas Police Headquarters.

      *There are plenty of conspiracy theorists that disagree with this. However, if you're in the "he didn't act alone," but that he was the shooter, he was still killed. If you believe he wasn't the shooter, then whoever was remains unknown and wouldn't have the opportunity to collect their bounty.

      Of course, if you do it in another country you might have a chance at survival. For example, the dude who threw a grenade at GWB in the country of Georgia received a life sentence because Georgia (the country) has abolished the death penalty, even though he did kill a Georgian high ranking agent when being apprehended. Of course, if he had been successful the US may have intervened and killed the guy. Either way, at best he would have had to enjoy his bitcoins from a Georgian prison.

      So how could you get away with surviving it, yet be known to have done it so you can collect your bitcoins?

    16. Re:The problem is collecting the bounty by N1AK · · Score: 1

      Is the site really a serious thing though? Unless the site is actually holding the BTC is eskrow and the assassin trusts them then why on earth would you take the job and expect to get paid. What's to stop any jackass from claiming they killed Obama if some other group of crazy racists or some such did it? Call me old fashioned but if I ever wanted someone killed then I can't imagine how a site like this would look remotely appealing as a way to go about it.

    17. Re:The problem is collecting the bounty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, I'm sure the local prison gang is very happy with their new source of protection money.

    18. Re:The problem is collecting the bounty by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Please cite any assassination attempt you suspect. Please.

    19. Re:The problem is collecting the bounty by Dekker3D · · Score: 1

      The protocol this site uses, thought up apparently two decades ago, would prevent people from falsely claiming to have killed the target. Read up on it. It's scarily effective.

    20. Re:The problem is collecting the bounty by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      They'd never kill you. That would require somebody to make a decision that there is no chance that you know something of value. That's WAY too much responsibility for anybody with the power to actually make that decision to assume. They'll just play with you like a toy until you die of natural causes, and you'll probably get better healthcare than the average American for that time.

      But, it isn't exactly treatment I'd sign up for all the same!

    21. Re:The problem is collecting the bounty by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Every successful US presidential assassination has resulted in the assassin's death:

      Sure, after the fact, by the judicial system (except for Oswald).....

      I was trying to dispel the notion that the USSS would shoot the person outright, if they had the ability to take him alive, not that they wouldn't be executed after the fact. Actually I hinted at that, Terra Haute is where the Federal death row is....

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  3. absolutely the dumbest idea ever by swschrad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    guaranteed to get the whole government in on breaking the Bitcoin chain, as well as getting your ass parked in a Federal prison for a whole lot of years. it's so idiotic that it has to be a government operation to suck in idiots who are looking for jail time.

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    1. Re:absolutely the dumbest idea ever by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, it's guaranteed to divest some foolish people from spare bitcoins.

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    2. Re:absolutely the dumbest idea ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed. this is so monumentally stupid that I think its gotta be either a government sting or a false flag operation to turn public sentiment against bitcoin and scare lawmakers into shutting bitcoin down.

    3. Re:absolutely the dumbest idea ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More likely a scam. Any hitman with the skills to kill a sitting president isn't going to leave his fucking house for $25K. You'd have to be a complete retard to believe that this is ever going to work. The only one making money on this is the operator, who is going to take the coins and run.

    4. Re: absolutely the dumbest idea ever by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hitmen with mad skills are largely a creation of Hollywood. The lone wolf who is willing to die is what keeps the USSS up at night, not the fictional professional assassin.

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    5. Re: absolutely the dumbest idea ever by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      But Batman...!

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    6. Re:absolutely the dumbest idea ever by neo8750 · · Score: 1

      Or could that be the point? What a better media story as why they need to crack down harder on the internet...Just cause the services being sold are bad doesnt mean that the person selling them is a bad guy or even real. It could just be a huge charade to tarnish bitcoins and its users.

    7. Re:absolutely the dumbest idea ever by kruach+aum · · Score: 0

      I don't know about you, but I divest of

    8. Re:absolutely the dumbest idea ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (1) announce that you are taking money in escrow for payment to assassins
      (2) do not pay out claims. Assassins and payers will not to come forward and sue you, and if they did, you would just claim that any contract that involves illegal activity is not a contract
      (3) profit :)
      (4) the Feds might go after you anyway on the grounds that your website listing bounties is still an incitement to murder
      (5) jail :(

  4. this post is sarcasm by gman003 · · Score: 3, Informative

    What, no direct link to the site?

  5. How is this disturbing? by will_die · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is pretty straight forward how it will work.
    1) People send in money.
    2) After a while the site closes down.
    3) Person that put up the site earns a nice profit.

    The only disturbing part is the guy did it so early, someone with real planning would of waited for the US Presidential election and then really brought in the money.

    1. Re:How is this disturbing? by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      This. A million times this.

      I wish I had a bitcoin scam to stand up while they're still $hundreds a coin....

      Why do people send cash to god-knows-where and just pray it ever goes where it's supposed to...

    2. Re:How is this disturbing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or it's simply a honeypot.

    3. Re:How is this disturbing? by rogueippacket · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The same reason the vast majority of people have problems with money - their spending decisions are largely driven by emotion and lack discipline.

    4. Re:How is this disturbing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or some bizarre ultra-libertarian performance art.

    5. Re:How is this disturbing? by icebike · · Score: 1

      It is pretty straight forward how it will work.

      1) People send in money.

      2) After a while the site closes down.

      3) Person that put up the site earns a nice profit.

      Strike number 3, an replace it with:

      3) Three letter agency that put up the site knocks on your door.

      Seriously, how could you not consider this might be a honeypot for kooks?

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    6. Re:How is this disturbing? by Experiment+626 · · Score: 1

      It is pretty straight forward how it will work.
      1) People send in money.
      2) After a while the site closes down.
      3) Person that put up the site earns a nice profit.

      Yes, tick off a community of users whose defining trait is that like to hire hit men, that sounds like a wonderful business plan.

    7. Re:How is this disturbing? by Hentes · · Score: 2

      But where would they hire the hitmen after the site has closed?

    8. Re:How is this disturbing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So

      1)Set up honeypot website

      2)People donate to "assassinate person X fund"

      3)Person X gets assassinated

      4)Uhoh. You've just been implicated in enticement to the assassination of person X. Enjoy your time in jail.

      (Where person X is someone who will not be named due to jack-boot allergies but you know who I mean).

    9. Re:How is this disturbing? by icebike · · Score: 1

      Except that the assassination doesn't actually have to take place.
      Merely offering money to such is illegal. Even if no money has actually changed hands yet.

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    10. Re:How is this disturbing? by lgw · · Score: 2

      Is there a difference between a really good scam and "bizarre ultra-libertarian performance art"? I think they meet in the middle.

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    11. Re:How is this disturbing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the original proposal by Jim Bell, you aren't actually offering money for assassination. You are just making a "bet" on when some individual will die. You can increase the pot without stating a time, in fact. Whoever wins the "bet" gets the money.

      In no way is that illegal. What this guy has done, on the other hand.....

    12. Re:How is this disturbing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The defining trait seems to be: fools with money, soon parted.

      There is a world of difference between being the kind of fool who throws their money away carelessly on anonymous scams, and the kind of person who actually has contacts with hired killers.

      In fact, in most cases, "hired kills" are not, it's more about the gang mentality. Strong upper echelon gangsters pressure vulnerable, naive recruits to commit murders to "prove themselves". While we like to imagine these "professional killers" that are glamorised in movies and video games, the vast majority of organised murders are the result of peer pressure and attempts to prove loyalty (including the large number of murders carried out by terrorists).

    13. Re:How is this disturbing? by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

      3) Three letter agency that put up the site knocks on your door. - with a breaching charge

    14. Re:How is this disturbing? by khallow · · Score: 1

      You are just making a "bet" on when some individual will die. You can increase the pot without stating a time, in fact.

      [...]

      In no way is that illegal.

      Three factors can make it accessory to murder. First, does the bet pay off if someone murders the subject of the bet? Second, is the bet substantial enough that someone can profit by murdering the subject? Third, will you benefit in some substantial way by the death of the target? If the answer to those three questions is "yes", then I think you're still subject to the law.

      For example, life insurance allows you to bet on other peoples' lives to some degree. Some people have gamed this so that they're insuring relatives or friends who are unaware of the insurance and then killing said relatives or friends. But here, if the crime is revealed, then the insurance company doesn't pay out - it's a basic part of life insurance policies. Even if the killer succeeds at the murder and subsequent insurance payout, the insurance company loses money and fails to profit at all from the scheme. So despite it being a bet on someone's life, it fails two of the factors I mention.

    15. Re:How is this disturbing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and not because they can't find a fucking job that pays a livable wage.

      Let them eat cake, right?

    16. Re:How is this disturbing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thus proving once and for all bitcoin IS money.

    17. Re:How is this disturbing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While there are certainly many people who can't find a job that pays a liveable wage (BTW most seek for one that's not related to fucking), it's certainly not the vast majority. And there are more than enough examples of people who have an above-average income and still have problems with their money. Heck, some superstars who got shitloads of money end up broke because they simply couldn't handle it.

    18. Re:How is this disturbing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. This is obviously a honeypot by CIA or FBI.

    19. Re:How is this disturbing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because someone doesnt have a good job theyre more likely to send cash to an unknown website? That makes absolutely no sense, dumbass.

      Poor people are not any more or less stupid than non-poor people. Being poor is not some justifiable excuse for being an idiot.

    20. Re:How is this disturbing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course the person who ultimately pays for the assassination in the bet model makes a bet that the person does not get assassinated (because, after all, that's what makes him pay if the assassination takes place). So assuming the rules you give are correct and complete, let's check for him:

      First, does the bet pay off if someone murders the subject of the bet?

      Clearly, no. For him the bet pays off if nobody murders the subject of the bet.

      Second, is the bet substantial enough that someone can profit by murdering the subject?

      Well, this is probably a yes (otherwise he'd find no assassin "betting" against him). However, if it is a much-hated person, it could also be a big number of small bets by different people, and then no single bet would be substantial enough by itself.

      Third, will you benefit in some substantial way by the death of the target?

      At least not from the bet itself.

      So if all three criteria have to be true, the one paying is pretty safe. If two criteria have to be true, anyone making only a small contribution is safe, and a single large better is safe as long as he cannot be shown to profit from the death of the target in some other way.

      However I still think in the real world, you'd not get away with this.

    21. Re:How is this disturbing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Poor people are not any more or less stupid than non-poor people. Being poor is not some justifiable excuse for being an idiot.

      http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/08/31/1350207/the-cognitive-cost-of-poverty

    22. Re:How is this disturbing? by khallow · · Score: 1

      Clearly, no. For him the bet pays off if nobody murders the subject of the bet.

      It pays off for the other side of the bet. Bets always have at least two sides to them.

      At least not from the bet itself.

      The problem here is that it creates incentive for a potential assassin or some party that contracts to assassins to bet in favor of a person's death and then act to make that happen in order to collect the winnings.

  6. I'm so sorry. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But for those dollar figures I can't even be bothered to do a recon.

    The Jackal.

    1. Re:I'm so sorry. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps they should crowd-fund it to get higher bounties.

    2. Re:I'm so sorry. by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 5, Funny

      Perhaps they should crowd-fund it to get higher bounties.

      Ya, I saw something on Slashdot about that.

      --
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  7. How do you claim the prize? by tomkost · · Score: 1

    How exactly do you prove your the one who shot or poisoned the target? Seems difficult to collect not to mention the legalities and morals of the act. Sounds more like an FBI honeypot.

    1. Re:How do you claim the prize? by rogueippacket · · Score: 1

      They sort of explain it in the article - the theory is that being the assassin, the act itself has been pre-meditated and you have chosen the date of the murder. You then make a donation to the deadpool, including a hashed version of your date. Once the act is done, you send an email (ideally anonymous) to the site operator with that date inside. The operator performs a hash check on it, and if it matches the data included with your donation, you are most likely the killer.
      Or, you're just really good at guessing when people are going to die.

    2. Re:How do you claim the prize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How exactly do you prove your the one who shot or poisoned the target? Seems difficult to collect not to mention the legalities and morals of the act. Sounds more like an FBI honeypot.

      Yeah. Typical FBI honey pot; Incite peoples to commit crime, provide them the tool and the opportunity then make the arrest to prove your relevance to the public.

    3. Re:How do you claim the prize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or you exhaustively checked dates against the deadpool.

    4. Re:How do you claim the prize? by jcochran · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Seems to me that the creator of that site is shortsighted in how he or she confirms who the assassin is. Namely, that the assassin has to be able to specify the date of death prior to the death. That task if fairly easy for a large number of ways of committing murder. But not always possible. For instance.

      1. Poison
      2. Opportunity - Assassin may be in a position where he or she has multiple chances of contact with the target, but is unable to predict exactly when the contact would be suitable for the actual assassination.

      Frankly, the motive of the site creator is rather foolish and childish. Given this paragraph in the original article:

      Sanjuro's grisly ambitions go beyond raising the funds to bankroll a few political killings. He believes that if Assassination Market can persist and gain enough users, it will eventually enable the assassinations of enough politicians that no one would dare to hold office. He says he intends Assassination Market to destroy "all governments, everywhere."

      it seems to me that Sanjuro is advocating world wide anarchy.

      I personally, don't like most governments, however total anarchy is worse than the government we currently have. Frankly, we need something to hold in check the various sociopathic assholes that from time to time attack other people. We need public services such as fire, police, sanitation, sewers, water, etc. There's a lot of infrastructure that frankly needs a government. And even well balanced, social people from time to time will disagree with each other. And said disagreements will from time to time get quite acrimonious. Hence the courts.

      Frankly, Sanjuro is either a nutcase, or a honeypot. In either case, it would be best to avoid him.

    5. Re:How do you claim the prize? by elsuperjefe · · Score: 1

      Seems to me that the creator of that site is shortsighted in how he or she confirms who the assassin is. Namely, that the assassin has to be able to specify the date of death prior to the death.

      in other words this could be seen as an office pool (with no actual buy-in): guess when controversial government official X is assassinated!

      Frankly, Sanjuro is either a nutcase, or a honeypot. In either case, it would be best to avoid him.

      so you think that paying money (under real or false pretenses) to have someone killed is something to be avoided? your wisdom is inspiring.

    6. Re:How do you claim the prize? by LF11 · · Score: 1

      Why do you think anarchy is worse than the government we currently have? All of those functions you describe are perfectly reasonable to be accomplished on a town- or city-level at the highest.

    7. Re:How do you claim the prize? by kumanopuusan · · Score: 1

      The would-be assassin could register all of the several methods and dates they're planning. They simply need to write down the details separately, hash and make a separate one bitcoin donation for each. It's not free, but it's still feasible.

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    8. Re:How do you claim the prize? by richlv · · Score: 1

      because another country that can pool resources will just come over and kill or exile half of your population. be it russia, china or whatever.

      --
      Rich
    9. Re:How do you claim the prize? by cheaphomemadeacid · · Score: 1

      Frankly, we need something to hold in check the various sociopathic assholes that from time to time attack other people.

      And you truly believe giving the same sociopathic assholes guns/nukes/armies is gonna solve that? =)

    10. Re:How do you claim the prize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All of those functions you describe are perfectly reasonable to be accomplished on a town- or city-level at the highest.

      ...And when that larger city a few miles over decides you'd make a nice annexation?

      Anarchy is fucking retarded. For it to work, you sow the seeds of the exact problem it claims to solve.

    11. Re:How do you claim the prize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An ideological system run by murderers instilling the fear of death doesn't sound much better (or even, perhaps, different) than what we have now.

    12. Re:How do you claim the prize? by someone1234 · · Score: 1

      If i knew this site was serious, i would put bounty on Sanjuro's head. But this is more likely a fraud. I would still put bounty, but not on this site :D

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    13. Re:How do you claim the prize? by magic+maverick+ · · Score: 1

      I heartily accept the motto, "That government is best
                          which governs least"; and I should like to see it acted up
                          to more rapidly and systematically. Carried out, it finally
                          amounts to this, which also I believe--"That government is
                          best which governs not at all"; and when men are prepared
                          for it, that will be the kind of government which the will
                          have. Government is at best but an expedient; but most
                          governments are usually, and all governments are sometimes,
                          inexpedient. The objections which have been brought against
                          a standing army, and they are many and weighty, and deserve
                          to prevail, may also at last be brought against a standing
                          government. The standing army is only an arm of the
                          standing government. The government itself, which is only
                          the mode which the people have chosen to execute their will,
                          is equally liable to be abused and perverted before the
                          people can act through it. Witness the present [Afghani, and the previous Iraqi] war,
                          the work of comparatively a few individuals using the
                          standing government as their tool; for in the outset, the
                          people would not have consented to this measure.

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    14. Re:How do you claim the prize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "it seems to me that Sanjuro is advocating world wide anarchy"

      John Lennon, "Imagine" Whatever happened to that guy?

      In other news, 50 years: JFK. RIP. Hardly an anarchist, but arguably the last legitimate, real U.S. President.

      Peace. Out.

    15. Re:How do you claim the prize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Frankly, Sanjuro is either a nutcase, or a honeypot. In either case, it would be best to avoid him."

      Bastard child of John Poindexter and Jim Bell?

    16. Re:How do you claim the prize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But who would build the roads?!

    17. Re:How do you claim the prize? by JavaLord · · Score: 1

      I personally, don't like most governments, however total anarchy is worse than the government we currently have.

      Total Anarchy could never exist for very long. If every government disappeared tomorrow, it would create a power vacuum which would be filled by some other entity. Perhaps a church, gang, tribal council, etc. People like controlling one another (and harming one another) way too much to ever make "overlords" extinct.

    18. Re:How do you claim the prize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your logic is as sound as the logic of people who see obesity and conclude that humans should not eat at all.

    19. Re:How do you claim the prize? by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      Frankly, we need something to hold in check the various sociopathic assholes that from time to time attack other people.

      Right, that's the whole point of this thing.

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    20. Re:How do you claim the prize? by SteveFoerster · · Score: 1

      This is like living in a state that only has state-owned liquor stores and asking, "But without government, who will sell booze?"

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    21. Re:How do you claim the prize? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its a noble cause.

      "it seems to me that Sanjuro is advocating world wide anarchy"

      This is not about anarchy, but more about chaos and tribalism, keeping certain tribes small enough so that none of them can have too much power will avoid genecide and war.

      Anarchy is more of an idealist concept that some form of society could exist without any form of hierarchy, this is something completely different (and much more reasonable).

      This is about the best idea I've heard of in years, and I sincerely hope he can achieve that goal of abolishing all governments, everywhere... But really, he will need our support.

      Have a little imagination, when someone tries something new like this, we need to give it a chance, otherwise it can never work, please try to be more supportive, it can work so long as people don't bash it too much.

  8. Im on the list by EMG+at+MU · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I feel like I have been put on the list just for reading this. But then I realize I'm already on the list for everything else I read on the internet.

    I would be expecting the NSA to be cracking Bitcoin / TOR as we speak to prosecute people for material support of terrorism.

    1. Re:Im on the list by LordLucless · · Score: 2

      I would be expecting the NSA to be cracking Bitcoin / TOR as we speak to prosecute people for material support of terrorism.

      Cracking bitcoin wouldn't help the feds track down anyone. All it would let them do is print free money, which they can pretty much do anyway. Bitcoin isn't anonymous; it's pseudonymous. The NSA can, with no effort at all, find out your Bitcoin pseudonym. Then they just need to associate your that with your real identity, which they can do via their traditional means of spying on everything that happens.

      --
      Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face
    2. Re:Im on the list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since they basically have a database of the entire internet, it's not much more than a database query away.

    3. Re:Im on the list by Lost+Penguin · · Score: 2

      "I would be expecting the NSA to be cracking Bitcoin"

      I would expect them to be mining with some large ass cluster to fund new black projects.

      --
      I am the unwilling control for my Origin.
    4. Re:Im on the list by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Everyone is on the list.

      --

      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    5. Re:Im on the list by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Not really. If you mine your own coins or get them through secure physical transactions (exchanging USB flash drives) they can be anonymous. Spend them via Tor and on something like this which does not require any of your personal information.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    6. Re:Im on the list by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      Once you spend them, your transaction (and your pseudonym) become part of the blockchain, and you are no longer anonymous (but are still pseudonymous). That is, anyone who checks the blockchain can find the id of who sent the coins. Anonymity relies on whether you can stop anyone making a connection between your blockchain id (pseudonym) and your actual identity - and you're correct, this is where things like Tor come in.

      --
      Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face
    7. Re:Im on the list by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      If your ID is random and throwaway and never makes any other transactions other than the mining then you remain anonymous. Difficult to organize but far from impossible.

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      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    8. Re:Im on the list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All it would let them do is print free money, which they can pretty much do anyway.

      Why the "pretty much"? Did I miss something?

      Has their printer broke?

  9. Jail time by jklovanc · · Score: 1

    I bet that the owner of the site could be charged with "conspiracy to commit murder".

    1. Re:Jail time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm fairly sure they don't charge agents running a honeypot...

    2. Re:Jail time by AGMW · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Who was the US politician who openly called for Assange to be assassinated? They've not collected him from Washington and shipped him to Guantanamo yet I see!

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    3. Re:Jail time by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      That might be considered incitement but when monetary rewards come into it then it crosses the line into conspiracy.I doubt any politician or reporter ever said "I will pay someone $X to kill Assange."

    4. Re:Jail time by evilviper · · Score: 1

      Who was the US politician who openly called for Assange to be assassinated?

      "University of Calgary Professor" "Tom Flanagan, a former aide to the Canadian prime minister, has called for Assange's assassination"

      http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40467957/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security/t/assange-lawyer-condemns-calls-assassination-wikileaks-founder/

      Canada is part of the US by now, isn't it? Did the kids sew another star on the flag yet?

      Of course he was "obviously talking tongue-in-cheek" and got quoted out-of-context by idiotic reporters.

      http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/flanagan-regrets-wikileaks-assassination-remark-1.877548

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    5. Re:Jail time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think AGMW may be confusing Washington Time columnist with an elected position.

      While AGME was incorrect, I do not believe Jeffrey T. Kuhner has been arrested. Although, it's worth noting that he is not offering money for said assination, but saying the US goverenment should order it as a matter of policy.

    6. Re:Jail time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being a US politician, he is presumed "incompetent until proven effective", so he just gets a free pass. Obviously no one listens to our politicians or takes their promises seriously. I'm sure Assange is perfectly safe.

    7. Re:Jail time by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sarah Palin only said it in a wink-wink-nudge-nudge way, and he's a she:

      https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2010/11/does-palin-want-to-whack-assange/

      --
      "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
    8. Re:Jail time by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Canadian politician, not US.

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      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
  10. Why Bernanke on top? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...because guys at Wall Street and generally in business have plenty of spare bitcoins, no conscience, and think it's "funny"

  11. So what if... by Yaztromo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...someone starts a bounty on the site for "Kuwabatake Sanjuro"?

    Yaz

    1. Re:So what if... by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Funny

      Can it be any Government official? I always knew I'd find a way to get back at that small town meter maid.....

      --
      I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
    2. Re:So what if... by rsborg · · Score: 1

      ...someone starts a bounty on the site for "Kuwabatake Sanjuro"?

      Yaz

      He's not a government official. Neat self-exclusion. Also by not offering hits against corporate officers (way more interesting), he prevents a large amount of extrajudicial consequence from hitting him (governments are ostensibly bound by laws, corporations can operate in low-law zones). Perhaps, he figures, focus on proving an MVP [1], and then expand to more profitable markets once he has a reasonable amount of success?

      [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_viable_product

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    3. Re:So what if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Since when would a libertard be against something a corporation does? They practically fall over themselves to suck the dicks of Corporate America.

    4. Re:So what if... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      I always knew I'd find a way to get back at that small town meter maid.....

      Oh, just pay the meters for other people and they'll completely flip out.

      --
      My God, it's Full of Source!
      OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
    5. Re:So what if... by dpilot · · Score: 1

      "The Assassination Bureau", starring Diana Rigg (Mrs. Peel) amoung others. The IMDB summary has the spoiler, but it's basically about the parent post, set right before WWI.

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      The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
    6. Re: So what if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Post of the day...you earned it.

    7. Re:So what if... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Curse her for enforcing parking rules and not letting you do what ever the hell you want.

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    8. Re:So what if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's not? How do you know? Who is he? Let's shoot this guy :)

    9. Re:So what if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That might destroy us all... like typing "google" into google.

  12. Letters of marque by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember kids, if the government does it it's OK.

    1. Re:Letters of marque by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, yes, they are authorized to do so by the Constitution.

  13. You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Political violence doesn't work to actually implement social change. It only plays into the hands of authoritarians who rule by fear, in this case fear of you. Kill Bernanke, and they have a great propaganda tool against your cause. And they can replace Bernanke with no trouble. And you haven't actually done anything to harm the people whose interests Bernanke is protecting.

    There is an excellent essay on the topic, dating from the 1970s, titled You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship. From the preamble:

    When left-wing terrorism is being carried out in a consistent way in society, it gives the state extra leverage in using political repression against individuals and the left in general.

    When by their own actions terrorists serve such ends, they are contributing to the destruction of politics and the closing of various options for the spreading of ideas before they have been fully utilised.

    Of course, the state will readily use various repressive methods if it meets any substantial resistance or if it has to handle a social crisis which is creating resistance. Terrorism and guerrilla-ism cannot be attacked just because they produce repression. Even more important is the fact that there is nothing to have made it worthwhile. In the end the guerrillas get wiped out and there is nothing left but repression (and a law and order mentality amongst the people).

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    1. Re:You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by Animats · · Score: 2

      Political violence doesn't work to actually implement social change.

      Shooting JFK was effective in changing policy.

    2. Re:You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not according to the French (Revolution)!

    3. Re:You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by tylersoze · · Score: 1
    4. Re:You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      Political violence doesn't work to actually implement social change. It only plays into the hands of authoritarians who rule by fear, in this case fear of you. Kill Bernanke, and they have a great propaganda tool against your cause. And they can replace Bernanke with no trouble. And you haven't actually done anything to harm the people whose interests Bernanke is protecting.

      I like to think I shouldn't have to say I am not advocating the assassination of Bernanke, but you never know around here...

      That said, an assassination of Bernanke might actually raise consciousness of the whole, "Wait, huh, the Federal Reserve is WHAT?!?" issue. It'd dominate news cycles. The assassin's manifesto explaining how "evil" the whole thing is might get poured over on news channels that aren't Fox. Who knows.

    5. Re:You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Political violence doesn't work to actually implement social change.

      Education by Liberals equals stupidity. American Revolution (to name one). Civil War (to name another). If there is such a thing as a "good war", then the ones fought for liberty are the ones worth fighting, lest you end up a slave to a tyrant simply because you believe the lie "Resistance is Futile".

      Unless of course you are looking for an individual (or small group) who pulls off a coup of some sort. In which case, you'd be equally wrong. The Assassination of MLK Jr, while it (helped) affected change, it wasn't the change the assassin was aiming for. It did however, help galvanize the movement and add people to the cause.

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    6. Re:You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by Ryanrule · · Score: 2

      What if you blow up the authoritarians? Say, the cock brothers?

    7. Re:You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by wile_e_wonka · · Score: 1

      And they can replace Bernanke with no trouble.

      Like, they could replace Bernanke with this person, who has already been selected to replace Bernanke... (though not yet confirmed by the Senate)

      It seems like a bad time to have Bernanke at the top of the list. What's the bounty on the new lady?

    8. Re:You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Unless of course you are looking for an individual (or small group) who pulls off a coup of some sort.

      Yes, that is the type we're talking about here. By the time you have a popular uprising, the social relationship is already destroyed.

      In which case, you'd be equally wrong. The Assassination of MLK Jr, while it (helped) affected change, it wasn't the change the assassin was aiming for.

      And that's exactly the effect the authors of the essay are warning against. Small scale political violence is counter-productive.

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    9. Re:You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by Yaur · · Score: 1

      Not likely. McVeigh's manifesto got 0 attention and Kaczynski's only got published because it was demanded at a point where he had already killed and promised to stop if it was published.

    10. Re:You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by BringsApples · · Score: 1

      I hear what you're saying, but what if, and I'm going out on a limb here, but what if the American government was ultimately behind the 9/11 attacks? If the "authoritarians who rule by fear" are the ones causing the fear, then it's win, win for them.

      Looking over what you quoted, seems to drive my point home, no?

      --
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    11. Re:You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're making a terrible assumption that killing Bernanke is only limited to those who oppose him.
       
      Ultimately I don't see the assassination of Bernanke to forward or thwart any agenda but there are plenty of causes that could benefit from creating a martyr.

    12. Re:You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "Political violence doesn't work to actually implement social change. "
      that's why the Americas are British, Hitler is still running Europe, and Japan has a a world power military.

      POlitical violence is what cause the former democratic and liberal Mideastern countries to turn into religious theocracy.

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    13. Re:You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Yes, it was. Looking at his history, it's hard for me the believe he would have let it go past '66 or so.
      The assassination put some one who wanted it to be a win at any cost war.

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      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    14. Re:You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by geekoid · · Score: 1

      ""Wait, huh, the Federal Reserve is WHAT?!?"
      since everyone knows that, I"m not sure why killing him would do, in that regard.

      It would disrupt markets.

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      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    15. Re:You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Also, the vast majority of people may just realized the Federal Reserve serves a very good purpose and chose to ignore kooks.

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    16. Re:You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "Education by Liberals equals stupidity. "

      You equal stupid. That whole statement is stupid, and the world is now stupider because it's on the internet.

      The poster you are replying made a stupid statement, and some how it's become education by liberals equals stupid.

      --
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    17. Re:You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Indeed and I think the people who killed JFK, or at least their familial descendants since these dynastic assholes are pretty dynastic deserve some payback.

      I applaud this site. Alone Assassination is a poor tool. But I think provided with other measures such as a working democracy it could be part of a very well balanced system.

      It's primary downside is more fund will be stolen from the regular working and generally uninterested non-political populace to provide more security and protection.

      Captcha: Booming - lol

    18. Re:You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by Copid · · Score: 1

      In fact, they'd have no choice but to replace him with Janet Yellen in the interim. She's the Vice Chair, so she takes over in his absence anyway.

      --
      An interesting anagram of "BANACH TARSKI" is "BANACH TARSKI BANACH TARSKI"
    19. Re:You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      "Political violence doesn't work to actually implement social change."

      Gavril Princip begs to differ.

      --
      -Styopa
    20. Re: You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Fed acts as the lender of last resort?

    21. Re: You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why India is still British ... oh wait.

    22. Re:You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by martin-boundary · · Score: 1
      Thing is, they don't need to wait until someone kills Bernanke to have a great propaganda tool against any cause. They can and will crank up the propaganda when it pleases them, all that's required is repetition, repetition, repetition throughout the media.

      So by all means refrain from fighting back on anything if you like, it's a great way to stroke your ego thinking you're so important that you can give them a propaganda opportunity they *need*, and would *never* have had if *you* hadn't stood up for your principles.

      Me, I do what I like. If I get fed up enough, I act accordingly. That's what men have done for centuries.

    23. Re:You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by Tom · · Score: 1

      You can go back even further.

      Nietzsche already wrote it, in his famously aphorism style: It is only thanks to the anarchists that the kings are sitting in their chairs solidly again. (no quote marks, because I cite from memory and it's probably not 100% correct).

      --
      Assorted stuff I do sometimes: Lemuria.org
    24. Re:You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i cant beleive you got insightful for that crap, the only reason we are where we are today is because after 2000 years kings realized that if you have everything and people dont have anything to lose, you life will last 20 years tops before someone beheads you and pees down your throat, but if everybody has shit, your life lasts 80, you will still have more thatn you will ever need, and no one will cap your ass. Thats the whole road this species has traveled, thats the whole civilization right there, we are fucking going nowhere, and the circumstances today are there because of self preservation of the elite, because absolute greed leads to, instead of dudes getting head, dudes losing their heads

      the theory of "and at some point tyrants grew a soul" or the theory of "and somehow, possibly by magic, people got their rights", ARE *******************FUCKING RETARDED BULLSHIT**************

    25. Re:You Can't Blow up a Social Relationship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who?

  14. this is no disturbance in the force by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm curious why this market, created to fulfill a legitimate need, is being called "disturbing". Doesn't the US have a history of kneecapping (foreign) terrorists and (foreign) dictators while leaving alone home-grown genocidal monsters?

  15. I had exactly the same idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm now happy to see someone is taking the matter at hands.

    When i see the US are allowed to commit remote murder in almost any part of the world and on the other hand retarded coercive "leaders" are a threat to our society as a whole (think David Cameron) i think it's absolutely normal to see people organizing themselves and financing a campaign to get said person killed.
    The people of the internet have more legitimacy than any government.

    At least there should be public crowdsourced lists of dangerous people for everyone to see and sometimes take action when possible in order to purge the world.

  16. Bernanke and Bitcoin by Lorens · · Score: 1

    Searching for Ben Bernanke brings up as first news "BERNANKE: Bitcoin 'May Hold Long-Term Promise'
    Business Insider - 4 hours ago
    Ben Bernanke sort of endorses Bitcoin."

    Do you think he knew of the bounty?

    1. Re:Bernanke and Bitcoin by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      Bernanke endorse US bonds. Do you think he endorses paying meth whores for $10 backstreet hummers?

      --
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    2. Re: Bernanke and Bitcoin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      T-bills are the gold of the international banking system.

  17. Ben? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It sure is easy to glean the political leanings of the largest contributors.

    Hint: Starts with "liber" and ends with "naive sockpuppet of the far-right"

    1. Re:Ben? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, just another Randian Libertardian.

  18. Anyone Else Remember the Pentagon Futures Market? by StickyWidget · · Score: 2
    I just remember the Pentagon wanting to set up something like this because they tend to be such great predictors of the future.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/3072985/

    ~Sticky

  19. From what I'm seeing about Bitcoin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Crypto viruses, this, ransoms, ....

    Bitcoin is doomed.

    Regardless of whose doing the harm (i.e. false flag), the fact of the matter is that Bitcoin's days are numbered.

    It's way too conducive to illegal and harmful behavior.

    1. Re:From what I'm seeing about Bitcoin by jones_supa · · Score: 0

      Pretty much the same thoughts. At first I thought Bitcoin was a cool liberal money system and I supported it. But now I'm starting to think that maybe it's actually good that there is some level of real trackability for monetary transactions. Sadly Bitcoin provides a tool for criminals to send "black money" easier, which in turn helps to make the world a shittier place.

    2. Re:From what I'm seeing about Bitcoin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's way more traceable than cash... if anyone with power ever really cares the perceived anonymity will disappear.

  20. Oh right... Ben Bernanke, of COURSE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... only the guy who near single-handedly saved the world economy from total and utter destruction.

    (YES, he did have a bit to do with the bubble in the first place... but that was mostly the previous free-market, deregulationist Fed chairman's fault.)

    Of course, this assassination nonsense is a scam and a horrific idea. But sweet jesus, these anti-Fed demogogues are such self-denialist losers. Sure, let's go back to the gold standard so we can have a Panic every 15 years. Let's relinquish total control over our money supply and our economy for absolutely no reason. Let's just hand over our nation's economic advantage as the world's go-to currency... great idea... ...say the same idiots who insisted QE would lead to global hyperinflation (wrong), that the biggest problem our government has is the national debt (wrong), that nations need to tighten their belts during a recession (wrong), that there was no gold bubble (wrong), and that nothing bad would ever happen if we default... How many times do these people have to be proven wrong, over and over?

    But I guess it makes sense that the ultra-paranoid sorts of people who would be attracted to the idea of bitcoin are the same ones who would hold some kind of insane vendetta against the Fed, totally missing the mark on who REALLY to blame for the near collapse and meltdown of western civilization.

    1. Re:Oh right... Ben Bernanke, of COURSE. by geekoid · · Score: 0

      Don't bother, about 2 people on /. actually understand why the Federal Reserve is their and how it operates.

      These simpletons think everything has one silver bullet solution.

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    2. Re:Oh right... Ben Bernanke, of COURSE. by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      Don't bother, about 2 people on /. actually understand why the Federal Reserve is their and how it operates.

      Ah, but do they know the difference between 'their' and 'there'?

      This poster doesn't claim to fully understand the black magick of modern economics, but I do understand these two numbers:

      APR on my savings account: 0.05%
      APR on my car loan: 0.9%

      The current policy is discouraging the accumulation of savings while encouraging the assumption of ever increasing debt loads at all levels of society: individual, corporate, and governmental. You don't have to hate the Federal Reserve to realize that's not going to end well for us in the long run.

      --
      I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
    3. Re:Oh right... Ben Bernanke, of COURSE. by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      I'm all for not assassinating people, but the gold standard didn't cause the problems you think it did.

      --
      - Michael T. Babcock (Yes, I blog)
    4. Re:Oh right... Ben Bernanke, of COURSE. by Copid · · Score: 1

      The current policy is discouraging the accumulation of savings while encouraging the assumption of ever increasing debt loads at all levels of society: individual, corporate, and governmental.

      The current policy is discouraging the accumulation of savings accounts (and cash in your matress) and encouraging savers to put their money to more productive use. That's a good thing when the economy is performing below its potential. Thought experiment: if savings accounts started paying 20% tomorrow, what would happen to investment in productive activities?

      --
      An interesting anagram of "BANACH TARSKI" is "BANACH TARSKI BANACH TARSKI"
    5. Re:Oh right... Ben Bernanke, of COURSE. by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Bernanke's a real genius. It takes a special kind of genius to turn a recession into an ongoing malaise.

  21. The name Sanjuro Kuwabatake by seibai · · Score: 5, Informative

    For people who don't get the joke, "kuwabatake" means "mulberry farm" in Japanese (where you would raise silk worms).

    "Sanjuro" is a standard alias for a 30 year old guy (it literally means "30 year old guy", more or less).

    1. Re:The name Sanjuro Kuwabatake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The name of Toshiro Mifune's character in the movie Yojimbo. He pretty much comes up with the name on the spot when he was asked.

    2. Re:The name Sanjuro Kuwabatake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And for those who *really* don't get the joke, it's Toshiro Mifune's character in Yojimo.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yojimbo_%28film%29

    3. Re:The name Sanjuro Kuwabatake by Jamu · · Score: 1

      Great film. It was remade as A Fistful of Dollars.

      --
      Who ordered that?
    4. Re:The name Sanjuro Kuwabatake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The joke is that he's not a 30 year old farmer at all, he's a 40 year old otaku living in his mom's basement.

    5. Re:The name Sanjuro Kuwabatake by hicksw · · Score: 1

      ... "Sanjuro" is a standard alias for a 30 year old guy (it literally means "30 year old guy", more or less) ...

      and all this time I thought it meant, "Return of the Bodyguard"

      ...and I don't mean Kevin Costner.

  22. PsyOps? by IonOtter · · Score: 1

    I wonder if this isn't an operation to sour the public on Bitcoin? I mean, not that it needs much to sour the folks here on Slashdot, but the common Joe/Jane on the street might need some Emmanuel Goldsteins to scream at for two minutes.

    And with all the revelations of Snowden and Wikileaks, calling someone a "tinfoil hatter" has lost most of it's sting.

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    [End Of Line]
  23. what about the ads in soldier of fortune by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    where you can find people willing to do mercenary work

    1. Re:what about the ads in soldier of fortune by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Interesting

      where you can find people willing to do mercenary work

      I suspect that up to half of them are bogus, and the other half are likely scams. What's left is probably well out of Interpol jurisdiction, let alone that of the FBI (or RCMP, or {insert European national police force here} ), since you're probably going to do it in the borders of some craphole nation already torn asunder by civil war or rebellion.

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    2. Re:what about the ads in soldier of fortune by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everything is out of Interpol's jurisdiction, because Interpol has no jurisdiction...anywhere. I'm not sure why comments insinuating it does keep popping up on /. (Perhaps there are many Lord of War fans lurking about?). Interpol as an organization only has the ability to assist law enforcement agencies in member countries by providing them with information. That's it.

    3. Re:what about the ads in soldier of fortune by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those ads are mostly placed by pimply teenagers with delusions of grandeur. COD fans who think they are ready for battle.

    4. Re:what about the ads in soldier of fortune by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interpol as an organization only has the ability to assist law enforcement agencies in member countries by providing them with information.

      Even providing of information is normally done under some jurisdiction.

  24. seems wrong... by schlachter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    it seems wrong that such a site with a list of people to execute could exist. it brings the good old lynch mob in to the digital era. fun times. gov officials should not have to operate in fear of assassination.

    yet. it is interesting that this is exactly what the us gov is doing with its enemies, building hit lists, ranking them, and executing.

    --
    My God can beat up your God. Just kidding...don't take offense. I know there's no God.
    1. Re:seems wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Government officials should live in fear of their lives.
      They've shown that they can't be trusted in other circumstances.
      That said, this does look like an amazing scam.
      How are you ever going to prove you killed they person and get your money?
      And how are you going to get your money back when no one kills the person?

    2. Re:seems wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There should be threat of job loss, not life, unless it comes to war crimes.

    3. Re:seems wrong... by Dan541 · · Score: 2

      Government officials should live in fear of their lives.

      Says the person living in fear of other /. users.

      --
      An SQL query goes to a bar, walks up to a table and asks, "Mind if I join you?"
    4. Re:seems wrong... by Lennie · · Score: 1

      Just today I heard about a soccer world championship from years ago. Where a player in the national team of Columbia made a big mistake, they found him dead the next day with 12 bullets in his body.

      So it's definitely not only politicians which should be careful it seems.

      --
      New things are always on the horizon
    5. Re:seems wrong... by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      That was an accident, he fell on his pistol that fired all 6 rounds, then he reloaded it and fell on it again.

      Stop trying to make it sound like something other than a very simple and common accident.

      --
      Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    6. Re:seems wrong... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Government officials should live in fear of their lives.
      They've shown that they can't be trusted in other circumstances.

      And ensuring that only those who's lust for power overrides even their self-protection instinct seek the job improves things how?

      --

      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    7. Re:seems wrong... by Lennie · · Score: 1

      That reminds of Russia.

      In Russia they have no problems with reporting a suicide of a person with multiple gunshots to the head.

      Or many, many stab wounds.

      Possible, but not very highly unlikely that it was suicide.

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      New things are always on the horizon
    8. Re:seems wrong... by Lennie · · Score: 1

      I think I got my not and unlikely mixed up :-)

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      New things are always on the horizon
    9. Re:seems wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Government officials should live in fear of their lives.

      No. Do you know why all dictators are doing evil to the people? Out of fear for their lives. There may be a few who are genuinely evil, but most started with really good intentions, and got turned into the monsters they became due to fear.

      The absolute worst you can have is someone in power who is in fear for his life. And the absolute best of democracy is that you can get rid of someone in power without taking his life. If I had to choose between two "half-democracies", one where people are voted into office, but then stay there for the rest of their life, and one where you have no control over who gets into the office, but where you can vote them out of office again (and then they cannot be put back in, of course), I'd clearly take the second.

      And you don't even have to look to dictatorships. Just look at the laws that have been enacted after 9/11. Why were those passed? Simple: Out of fear. If you have fear, you want to have control. The higher your fear, the higher your desire for control.

    10. Re:seems wrong... by airdweller · · Score: 1

      "they have no problems with reporting a suicide of a person with multiple gunshots to the head."
      Actually, suicides with two gunshots to the head are not unheard of. Not sure about more than two.

  25. people who use it will get jack rubyed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and the guy who did that will die soon after that

    1. Re:people who use it will get jack rubyed by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of the movie "Shooter"
      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0822854/quotes
      First quote...

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      You have the right to remain sentient. If you give up the right to remain sentient, you will be elected to public office
  26. Re:It's Ben Shalom Bernanke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So says Anonymous Dickhead Coward

  27. hmm by buddyglass · · Score: 1

    I'll laugh if the entire site is a honeypot designed to identify people willing to crowdfund the assassination of world leaders.

    1. Re:hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone remember the Rockford Files where Angel (local dipshit) has an ad for hit-man services, figuring his customers will not be able to complain if he doesn't come through. Everything goes great until one of the targets gets killed - but not by him LOL.

  28. ok remus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as opposed to you, who just practically falls over himself to suck dicks period!

    ZING

    1. Re:ok remus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were an excellent teacher.

  29. Up until about five minutes ago . . . by mmell · · Score: 0
    My knee-jerk reaction was "hell no - don't let any government meddle with bitcoin - it's a chance to create a world economy without nationalistic or patriotic encumbrances."

    Screw that - I suppose this illustrates why such an economy is inherently subject to exactly the sort of abuses we have governments in place to prevent. Up with Electronic Banking! Death to Bitcoin!

    I'm going to get flamed here; too bad. If Bitcoin can't regulate itself sufficiently to prevent abuses, than Bitcoin has to go.

    1. Re:Up until about five minutes ago . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither can cash. Cash has to go.

    2. Re:Up until about five minutes ago . . . by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Yes, it fact cash can.

      I still hold the ultimately electronic cash will fail do to the ease and power of attacks.

      --
      The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    3. Re:Up until about five minutes ago . . . by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      I suspect that many governments really want to get rid of cash but know they can't get away with it just yet.

      So they tighten the screws on large scale cash users by doing things like requiring the banks to report large cash transactions and limiting the size of the largest banknotes printed. Oh and they don't link this to inflation so the "real value" of the largest transaction you can easilly make with cash gradually declines.

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    4. Re:Up until about five minutes ago . . . by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      You mean like cash? Cash needs to be regulated so people can't buy illegal drugs or guns or child soldiers or slaves with it.

      Jeez people.

      --
      - Michael T. Babcock (Yes, I blog)
    5. Re:Up until about five minutes ago . . . by mmell · · Score: 1
      It is. Don't believe me? How many drug deals do you hear about involving Credit/Debit cards or even checks?

      Cash is regulated too - try to deposit $1000.00 or more in one shot at your local bank, you'll see what I mean.

    6. Re:Up until about five minutes ago . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another careless post crapped out by Geekoid, a man far too busy and important to proof-read his own gibberish.

      Amusingly this Geekoid idiot has been seen in the wild attacking other people's postings for their spelling and grammar. Arrogance and hypocrisy at its very finest!

    7. Re:Up until about five minutes ago . . . by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      Who said we need banks to use cash? Why do you think criminals keep it in cash form? Come on.

      --
      - Michael T. Babcock (Yes, I blog)
  30. There was a paper about this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Interesting that the approach used for confirmations was presented at a cryptography conference just over two years ago:

    http://fc12.ifca.ai/pre-proceedings/paper_69.pdf

    No paywall, direct link to PDF.

  31. Finally by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 2

    We found the missing part of the '???' belonging to this meme.

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    -- I ignore anonymous replies to my comments and postings.
  32. Once Again Missing Perspectives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't condone this shit... however it is ridiculous who tops the list. There are far more deserving candidates (not saying do it... just for argument's sake). Here are some ones to start:

    • Vladimir Putin, former KGB man and strongest proponent of the new U.S.S.R.
    • Ayatollah Khameini and anyone in Iran's Revolutionary Guards
    • Any member of the Taliban or Al Quaida
    • Kim Jong Un
    • President (for life) Mobutu of Zimbabwe and all his cronies
    • Anyone from a Mexican drug cartel
    • Whoever authorized killing protesters in Tienanmen Square (and even more in the un-televised side streets and cities)
    • Misogynistic Muslims (including Saudi Royalty)
    • etc. etc. etc.

    But seriously, this is not to advocate an assassination or 'hit', it is just to point out people in power who are doing real harm to others. Advocating assassination would be ridiculous. But compared to these people, the worst in American government are like boy scouts (OK aside from a few guys like President Cheney). And not the anal sex ones. Hey, not that there's anything wrong with that.

    1. Re:Once Again Missing Perspectives by Hatta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But compared to these people, the worst in American government are like boy scouts

      Not really. One example you gave was "anyone from a Mexican drug cartel". But mexican drug cartels are only dangerous because drugs are illegal. Those who vote to keep drugs illegal are just as responsible for those deaths as the cartels are. Further, they're responsible for every death caused by impure drugs, or drugs of unknown concentration.

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    2. Re:Once Again Missing Perspectives by IonOtter · · Score: 2

      The problem with your list, is that without exception, every one of them has a well-established and documented reputation for hunting down and killing those who target them for assassination.

      So please! By all means, go for it. I'd ask you to tell us how it went, but somehow, I don't think we'll need you to tell us?

      We'll find what's left of you on the 6-o-clock news.

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      [End Of Line]
    3. Re:Once Again Missing Perspectives by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 0

      You're an idiot. Just because drugs are illegal doesn't make it imperative that people hack of the heads of dozens of people. Or murder university students who were never involved in any illegal activity but pissed off a cartel member who can kill with seeming impunity. Bodies hanging from overpasses are not the result of drug laws, they are the result of people who have no regard for human life. Just because making something legal might reduce this activity does not in any way what-so-fucking-ever mean that the drug laws force people to commit mass murders and dispose of the bodies in drums filled with sulfuric acid. Yours has to be one of the dumbest comments ever. Nice way to apologize for murdering thugs just because you want to smoke a joint. You would be better to argue that people who break the law thus creating the demand are the ones who are the cause of the murders. But even that is disingenuous.

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      -- I ignore anonymous replies to my comments and postings.
    4. Re:Once Again Missing Perspectives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Legal or not, the cartels will still protect their money monopolies in the legalized areas.

    5. Re:Once Again Missing Perspectives by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 2

      Not only that, but even if we take the deaths and horrors the US government is directly responsible for, by actions which are violent in nature (so I'm excluding both inaction and disastrous economic measures, for the purposes of this comparion). they beat the mexican cartels pretty easily. Look at the number of dead and wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan. Look at the US prision system: almost 1% of its population is behind bars - that's more than 2 million people. Working people, producing armaments and other cheap goods. It's institutionalized captivity and slavery. The mexican cartels are showy, yes, and maybe inspire more horror, but that's only if you don't take scale into consideration.

    6. Re:Once Again Missing Perspectives by PPH · · Score: 1

      hunting down and killing those who target them for assassination.

      So don't miss. Put enough money on the table and some real pros might be attracted to the contract.

      As far as those funding the operation: That's what BitCoin/Crowdfunding is for. Good luck finding the responsible parties.

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      Have gnu, will travel.
    7. Re:Once Again Missing Perspectives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How about this one-word refutation-by-example: Prohibition.

      You aren't right, and you're an asshole, too.

    8. Re:Once Again Missing Perspectives by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 0

      Yet another moron who thinks anti drug laws are adequate justification for criminals to murder people. I'd like to hear you at parties.

      I can just hear you, "oh yeah, it was great that those guys cut the heads off of a dozen innocent people. If it wasn't for laws in another country these guys would be regular church going guys planting flowers and singing kumbaya! Those evil American law makers are causing these guys to go out and murder people... those criminals have no free will of their own and only murder in reaction to anti drug laws." Bullshit.

      You and everyone who thinks anti drug laws are the root cause of these guys murdering people are idiots. If it wasn't drugs they could smuggle it would be something else and they would still murder.

      I don't think marijuana laws make sense either. But I don't think anyone who believes that bad guys in countries with corruption and lax law enforcement are bad because of drug laws make sense either. They're just bad. Maybe if you and your ilk stopped smoking so much dope you wouldn't be one and could figure this out.

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    9. Re:Once Again Missing Perspectives by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 0

      Straw man. Just because the U.S. did bad in Iraq doesn't make criminals in other countries innocent. Or even make them less bad. Afghanistan was necessary. I agree that lax fire control on mostly the American military's part was often in the realm of criminal negligence. From bombing civilians to friendly fire on allies. Right at the beginning a retard American pilot killed a bunch of Canadian soldiers who were shooting on a known rifle range. The pilot was never punished. Another time an A-10 came in without asking and took out a platoon of Canadian infantry during one of the biggest conventional battles of the war. The majority of the platoon was killed or wounded. Other than that, not really a valid argument.

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    10. Re:Once Again Missing Perspectives by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      I'd be interested in seeing the internal list of assassinations ordered by each Putin and Obama and see who wins that one.

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    11. Re:Once Again Missing Perspectives by ifiwereasculptor · · Score: 2

      Straw man*. Just because I said the US goverment is arguably worse does not mean I'm saying other criminals are innocent or any less bad. This isn't a sports match, one "side" doesn't have to "win". And we'll have to agree to disagree on the whole "Afghanistan was necessary" thing and on the classification of what the American military did. Their actions weren't only "criminal negligence", they were straight up war crimes by definition.

      *That would be misrepresenting some else's argument, like you did to mine. I did not even allude to any given argument, just made a subjective analytical comparison.

    12. Re:Once Again Missing Perspectives by Copid · · Score: 0

      Yes, prohibition caused a lot of extra crime associated with the black market. But you know what? Most people managed to get through prohibition without murdering people. Sure, the people who didn't were responding rationally to financial incentives, but they were also awful, awful people who murdered folks over money.

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    13. Re:Once Again Missing Perspectives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those who vote to keep drugs illegal are just as responsible for those deaths as the cartels are.

      *rofl*

    14. Re:Once Again Missing Perspectives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The people who are in drug cartels and other illegal fields are there because illegal = more money. If you legalize all drugs and the money dries up, they will move onto slavery, arms trafficking, etc. The problem is that these people have no morals and not enough fear of the law, not that there exist illegal things for them to do. Unless you plan to legalize everything, this problem will always exist.

      Prohibition didn't "cause" people to start murdering each other, it just provided an extremely convenient opportunity. The people who operated based on alcohol during prohibition went back to drugs, arms dealing, etc after it was over.

    15. Re:Once Again Missing Perspectives by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      You are trying to say the U.S. government did something bad when the U.S. government has nothing to do with what the cartels do. I'd say that was deflecting the argument.

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  33. Not anti fed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its altogether more simple, they have bitcoins. Why look for paranoia when greed will do.

  34. Summary ripped without attribution? by ThePyro · · Score: 1

    Summary appears to be ripped verbatim from zerohedge. Or did it originate somewhere else? It'd be nice if people would cite their sources.
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-18/dark-web-exposes-75000-bitcoin-based-bounty-bernankes-assassination

  35. CIA funding? by danbuter · · Score: 1

    Why do I think the home server for this assassination market is located at the CIA headquarters?

  36. THIS is "bizarre ultra-libertarian performance art by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

    Or it's simply a honeypot.

    Or some bizarre ultra-libertarian performance art.

    Still wouldn't be as bizarre or outlandish as the time in 2006 that Loyalist Michael Stone attempted to enter the Stormont Assembly in Northern Ireland and assassinate the leaders of Sinn Fein, then claimed that it was "performance art".

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  37. Good! by DogDude · · Score: 1

    This whole Bitcoin thing and everything associated with it is an ongoing circus made up of different kinds of idiots. Idiots who don't understand that Bitcoin is the most non-anonymous "currency" in existence. Idiots who don't understand that Bitcoin is completely unusable as any kind of legitimate business transaction because the value fluctuates wildly. Idiots who don't understand that the Internet is completely non-anonymous. Idiots who don't understand economics 101.

    Bitcoin, to me at least, is a lot like Sarah Palin: Unbelievably stupid and something nobody should waste time with, but like a car wreck, something we can't stop watching in utter disbelief.

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  38. business method patent by Jodka · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For every assassination bounty hosted they should also host a corresponding anti-assassination bounty. The assassin would be paid the net pro-assassination value, that is, the difference between the two bounties, and the bounty hosting site would keep the remainder. For opposing interests of equal magnitude in a bidding war this would be hugely profitable for the bounty hosting site and also result in nobody actually getting assassinated. It would also be more equitable because it represents the opinions of both pro-assassination and anti-assassination sides, not just the pro-assassination side.

    Though seriously, the entire subject is revolting. Almost every American, love Obama or hate Obama, love Bush or hate Bush, agrees that they do not want their President to be assassinated. Despite disagreements in American politics, there are essential fundamental core values which unite us all, and that we do not assassinate our leaders is one of them.

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    1. Re:business method patent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny. Has any other nation actually had so big percentage of their top officials asssasinated as the USA?

    2. Re:business method patent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Though seriously, the entire subject is revolting. Almost every American, love Obama or hate Obama, love Bush or hate Bush, agrees that they do not want their President to be assassinated.

      As someone who remembers JFK's assassination (and as well RFK & MLK) I couldn't agree with you more. Assassination is a tool of cowards who afraid of the world changing in a way that won't fit their world view (or occasionally summary executions in a power grab).

    3. Re:business method patent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "... there are essential fundamental core values which unite us all, and that we do not assassinate our leaders is one of them."

      Kennedy, hello?

    4. Re:business method patent by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      Personally I think it's a scam. The site operator will simply take the bitcoins for themselves.

      This is one occasion where I have no sympathy for the scam victims.

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    5. Re:business method patent by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      Are you... trying to say that the Kennedy assassination was a good thing, in line with American values?

    6. Re:business method patent by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      I agree with your underlying point, that assassinating politicians will generally lead to bad things, but I can't help seeing the technical difficulties in your proposed way the market could work.

      Take the Obama figure of $24k. He's still fairly popular, so he could probably raise that much for the "don't assassinate Barrack Obama" campaign. The site owners walk off with $48k for nothing! People will see that and stop using the site. Actually then the site will die and the only bad thing is that a couple of jokers walk off with a bunch of money, so it might be alright after all...

    7. Re:business method patent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      soooo, when your bounty is up over a certain threshold you get a nice mail "Look at that, some people really want to kill you. You know, if SOMEBODY were to give me "insert_threshold_plus_fees" you would have nothing to fear.

      Yes, that really sounds great.

    8. Re:business method patent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whether the belief is a value shared by opposing political parties and whether leaders are actually assassinated, as you reference using the example of Kennedy, are distinct issues.

         

    9. Re:business method patent by MooseTick · · Score: 1

      Rather than the bounty hosting site keeping the remainder, I think more people would likely pay into an anti-assassination bounty if it went to a charity of some sort. Perhaps of their choosing. Then only people with a total lopsided hatred against them would outcompensate the anti-assassination side. This would also help more money go to charity since for every dollar you give it could become two. Then the question would remain, what do you do with the anti-assassination money if the individual is actually assinated?

    10. Re:business method patent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly our 'leaders' do not share the attitude of thou shalt not assassinate leaders of nations.

    11. Re:business method patent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They do, actually -- it's a Mutually Assured Destruction kind of thing..... Unless, of course, they think the other country could never marshal the resources to retaliate, but given that 25 blokes could take down the twin towers, that could be an iffy assumption.

    12. Re:business method patent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Almost every American, love Obama or hate Obama, love Bush or hate Bush, agrees that they do not want their President to be assassinated.

      Why are you talking about muricans? I'm pretty sure plenty of non-US people want the US president to die. They don't have bitcoins, though.

  39. Great business plan by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    1) Create anonymous crowd funding website for dodgy activity people won't want to own up to (out of fear, like drug or murder prosecution).
    2) Have people give you money.
    3) Shut down site and pocket money. ...
    Profit!

  40. He's safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since he's the only person who can pay out the coins. =)

    But still, would be a clear message for a government to send.

  41. Self denialist losers ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    who the hell modded you interesting? Right - those who expose the theft are "Self denialist losers" compared to the biggest theft in human history.

    Let me give you a lesson in reality: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0

    Once you digest that, and you have no response for the criminal enterprise that is "the fed", slowly walk away from your computer and take a deep breath. Then come back to reality. You're back? Great!

    In a nutshell, the federal reserve is the reason we as humanity are enslaved by debt. And Ben Bernanke heads that private cartel of foreign banks (who's shareholders are never disclosed) I can understand why someone might not like his evil thievery.

    That's great you bought the entire mainstream media lie anonymous coward. But those who know about jekyll island, the betrayal of woodrow wilson to the united states, and how andrew jackson fought this evil banking force when their chartesr expired, know the true history of banking.

    You take your last 10 years of your pitiful understanding of the history and shove it up your butthole, while the rest of us recognize hundreds of years of European banking interests subverting the liberty of every nation on earth.

    END THE FED

    1. Re:Self denialist losers ? by Xaedalus · · Score: 1

      Yeah cool story bro... I'll side with OP. Last time I checked, European banking interests weren't all that solvent thanks to the dithering of the EU. Plus, an economy based on debt has done far more for the general good of humanity than an economy based on produced net assets ever has. There's a very good reason that the Dutch and the English eventually bested the French in the 1700's.

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    2. Re:Self denialist losers ? by jratcliffe · · Score: 1

      You take your last 10 years of your pitiful understanding of the history and shove it up your butthole, while the rest of us recognize hundreds of years of European banking interests subverting the liberty of every nation on earth.

      Translation: it's the Jews!!!

    3. Re:Self denialist losers ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The debt we have today is far different than the debt of yesteryear. The world today is extremely wealthy, wealthier beyond the wildest dreams of 18th century thinkers.

      The problem is allocation. What to do with all that wealth. You can't "invest" it all in factories and stores. That's too risky. Wealth has accumulated faster than the ability of societies to reliably put it to go use--at least, using our current social models.

      So the end result is that you have a ton of wealth floating around. Much of it is parked in the stock market and other similar assets, not principally to be invested in companies, but because these markets allow you to grow money on trees, effectively. Much of the surplus wealth from around the world just keeps getting put into these baskets. And it'll keep working in perpetuity, as long as the underlying economy remains relatively profitable (as it has) and people don't panic. The rest is parked as "debt". But this isn't traditional debt. They're not trying to make tons of money. They're simply trying to preserve value in a world awash in cash.

      "Debt", especially government debt, just doesn't mean the same thing as it used to. It's a different beast altogether. This is why pumping more money into the system, as we have, hasn't resulted in much, if any inflation. There are two different economic universes in existence--the traditional one, where money is invested in capital assets, and this nether world in which trillions of dollars of wealth has no place to go. Adding more money into this nether world doesn't create inflation, because these guys aren't using it to increase salaries or reduce prices or anything of the sort. We gauge inflation by the price of goods and services, but the handful of people and companies with all this money... they can't effect the price of basic goods and services, because they're limited by how much they can consume. And they're not stupid enough to initiate a race to the bottom by "investing" in basic goods and services and flooding those industries with cash.

    4. Re:Self denialist losers ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an example, say somebody gave you $10 billion dollars today. How long would it take you to adjust your consumption behavior to spend more? Weeks, months, maybe years. Then what? There's a cap to how much can spend as an individual. So you switch into entrepreneur mode. How much could you spend on starting or funding ventures? Probably a lot, but it would take a long while to figure out where to place that money. And after you've exhausted all your ideas on cool new industries, then what? Unless you're Elon Musk, you probably have billions still. So you "invest" it in the stock market. But with the relatively rare exception of an IPO (a few per day, mostly small) or buyback plan, most money placed into the stock market just sits there, never to be used by any company for capital investments.

      Enlarge this scenario by many orders of magnitude. All of sudden your old intuition about how money works is utterly and completely useless to understand the dynamics of all this wealth.

      One of the only strategies that economists have come up with to date for how to put this money to effective use is government debt. If investors are too skittish to invest in capital expenditures, then just borrow their money, hand them an IOU, and invest it yourself. And the only people capable of pulling off this trick are large governments.

      Is that a good idea? Maybe, maybe not. But if it's a bad idea, it's not bad for any obvious reason, other than "government is profligate and stupid" But corporations can be just as profligate and stupid. Whether it's the government spending it, or a corporation, hardly matters.. But if we make a normative judgment that some of this wealth needs to be put to productive use, and if corporations are too skittish to do it, then why not do it ourselves?

      We've entered a brave new world.

    5. Re:Self denialist losers ? by Copid · · Score: 1

      So you "invest" it in the stock market. But with the relatively rare exception of an IPO (a few per day, mostly small) or buyback plan, most money placed into the stock market just sits there, never to be used by any company for capital investments.

      Money doesn't go "into" the stock market. It goes through the stock market and ends up in the hands of whomever you bought the shares from. That's a critical distinction that causes serious trouble for your theory.

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    6. Re:Self denialist losers ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rand Gold Owl. Special Special Special secret power knowledge.

  42. Prior Art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Assassin's Guild in Discworld, for one.

  43. Congratulations by DaveV1.0 · · Score: 0

    You are now no better than those you despise and for the exact same despicable things for which you claim they do.

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  44. 12 bullets! by schlachter · · Score: 1

    Well, with 12 bullets in his body, it's no surprise they found him dead.
    Now if you had said they found him practicing shots on goal with 12 bullets in his body, now that would be surprising.

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    1. Re:12 bullets! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now if you had said they found him practicing shots on goal with 12 bullets in his body, now that would be surprising.

      While eating twelve bullets probably isn't exactly healthy, I don't think it would not allow you to practice shots afterwards.

  45. This is free market capitalism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is not to like. By opening markets and eliminating barriers to entry, we ensure that our assasinations are of the best possible quality. Mr Bernake should heartily applaud the efforts of this free market entrepeneur. No longer are political assasinations entireley controlled by governments. We all know how bloated and beurcratic governments are. Let's let the free market to it better.

    Free trade and fair markets for all. In a sense robbery and rape are also free market policies. Rape allows for the best possible genes to be passed along. Hell Chingis KHan is responsible for 1/6 the worlds' populations. You can't say that aint strong. Robbery means that those who have the most highly developed martial arts skill get to keep their stuff. I am all for this. How many time have you seen old people who can barely walk with a lot of stuff. By encourating free market robbery, we ensure that the youngets and best looking people have the most stuff. What is not to love.

    Off coarse everything I just said flys out the window when you have a society that adheres to a strong code of moralls. But then again all the free market capitalists frown on moral codes, and have no problem outsourcing overseas, running payday lending operations, or using slave labor. They have no problem bankrupting a company and then living their life out in the cayman islands. So assasination may not be such a bad thing.

  46. Ben Bernanke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As Forbes reports, NSA Director Alexander and President Obama have a BTC40 bounty (~$24,000) but the highest bounty — perhaps not entirely surprising — is BTC 124.14 (~$75,000) for none other than Ben Bernanke.

    It sort of says a lot that Forbes had to tell their readers that "some guy named Alexander" is the Director of the NSA and "Obama" is the President (of something...), but apparently all their readers know exactly who Ben Bernanke is, without any further information.

  47. Look here NSA by Princeofcups · · Score: 1

    Woohoo! Where do I donate? Hey NSA, mark my file as "promotes assassination, subversive, needs to be watched closely."

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  48. Re:Anyone Else Remember the Pentagon Futures Marke by Burz · · Score: 1

    I thought of it as soon as I saw the headline. Thanks for posting a link!

  49. LINK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://assmkedzgorodn7o.onion.to

  50. not news by Tom · · Score: 1

    At this time, it's a cute idea, but not newsworthy unless you want to advertise the service.

    Post an article when they have paid out the first bounty.

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  51. Idiot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And if women were simply forced by law to give it up whenever someone else wanted, there would be no rape.

  52. If one anarchist has his way by Optali · · Score: 1

    WTF do Anarchists have to do with this?

    OK, it's Forbes and they belong to the kind of idiots who call "liberal" to anything that doesn't carry a huge cross on his neck and owns a Tea Party affiliation card... but mates, moderate yourself.

    Anarchists just don't give a shit

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  53. answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to take this seriously, and not just attraction for medias, every listed person should have personal address. In any case, for killing politicians, 100 000 euro is minimum necessity as reward. there is just 1 btc. Beside it, it is not secure for killer that he writes to him in advance the exact time and date when politicians will finish dead. killer can be arrested because of that. there is good website of killer at freenet, but he told me he is not working now in America, only Europe. this is the key which can be used with freenet project software: USK@RcdvyeyP47D7YtCVPdixdBdJTZbVaKAykSuxl--a608,ZKr~orlQ6Zm4lHECLHKlUB7SCACDNnPndaW19reaHEQ,AQACAAE/ContractKiller/0