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Get Ready For a Streaming Music Die-Off

walterbyrd writes "Streaming services are ailing. Pandora, the giant of its class and the survivor at 13 years old, is waging an ugly war to pay artists and labels less in order to stay afloat. Spotify, in spite of 6 million paid users and 18 million subscribers who humor some ads in their stream, has yet to turn a profit. Rhapsody axed 15% of its workforce right as Apple's iTunes Radio hit the scene. On-demand competitor Rdio just opted for layoffs too, in order to move into a 'scalable business model.' Did no one wonder about that business-model bit in the beginning? Meanwhile, Turntable.fm, a comparatively tiny competitor with what should have been viral DNA, just pulled the plug on its virtual jam sessions this week—and it just might be the canary in the coal mine."

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  1. It's a doomed race against time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    The next generation may be the one that grows up without music.

    1. Re:It's a doomed race against time by Whorhay · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or maybe just not listening to music every waking moment possible. I like music but I frequently would just as soon not have any playing while I'm focusing on something else.

    2. Re:It's a doomed race against time by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The next generation may be the one that grows up without very expensively produced music.

      FTFY.

      Humans will have music for as long as we can find something to bang on rhythmically. But, in the future, most production will probably happen in small and home studios, as opposed to the monolithic labels owned by RIAA members.

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    3. Re:It's a doomed race against time by fatgraham · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Conversely, I find it hard to work in silence. Music, radio, (with inane chatter) or even a TV in the background helps me so much more.
      I find silence distracting as I instead here little irregular noises here & there (doors slamming in the building, people shouting in the street etc)

    4. Re:It's a doomed race against time by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Making high-quality music used to require investment. Expensive instruments at a minimum - but if you didn't want to sound like Kenny, you'd also need high quality microphones, sound damped recording studio, mixing desk, specialist technician to operate it and several high-end recorders capable of syncronised operation.

      That's all changed now. One person working on consumer, affordable equipment can - on a purely technical level - match that quality with comparative ease. It's down to the level where people can and do make music as a hobby, without any expectation of payment.

    5. Re:It's a doomed race against time by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Making high-quality music used to require investment. Expensive instruments at a minimum - but if you didn't want to sound like Kenny, you'd also need high quality microphones, sound damped recording studio, mixing desk, specialist technician to operate it and several high-end recorders capable of syncronised operation.

      Actually, that's largely been a myth since the advent of consumer grade, multi-track tape recorders.

      For instance, the Sublime album Robbin' The Hood was recorded exclusively on a 4-track tape machine, and it sounds awesome. The problem, however, comes in with mastering the tracks. Not sure how they managed it back in the early 1990's (I'm guessing they went to one of those expensive studios), but the solution today is as simple as downloading a free copy of REAPER and learning how to use it. If you don't mind spending a fair amount of cash, there's a plethora of other DAW options out there; I'm a fan of Logic myself.

      Hell, I bet dedicated audiophiles could probably come up with studio quality stuff using nothing more complex than Audacity.

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    6. Re:It's a doomed race against time by Xicor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      or just get the music and put it on your own streaming server that you run for free...

    7. Re:It's a doomed race against time by somersault · · Score: 5, Informative

      You know what is one of the traits I like least in a person? When they assume that it's everyone else who is ignorant, rather than check their facts.

      Yes, one meaning of converse - apparently the only one you know - is to take part in a conversation. However, there is another meaning which has a similar meaning to inverse and obverse.

      converse
      adj
      (prenominal) reversed; opposite; contrary
      n
      something that is opposite or contrary
      a categorical proposition obtained from another by the transposition of subject and predicate, as no bad man is bald from no bald man is bad
      Etymology: 16th Century: from Latin conversus turned around; see

      So basically, your post is laden with iron. Very irony in fact. Such disdain. Wow.

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    8. Re:It's a doomed race against time by mugnyte · · Score: 5, Funny

      The FOSS auto-tune alternative has been around a long time. It's called "practice"

    9. Re:It's a doomed race against time by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 4, Funny
      "So basically, your post is laden with iron."

      I saw that too, and wondered, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? IF they know what converse means, then they're being ironic, if they don't then it's ironic that they don't, so no matter what you do, it's ironic, only the irony is directed differently depending. In fact, it becomes tautologically ironic, because he might be ironically posing to not know what it means, and thusly showing his irony in a self conscious way. It's like Goedel's "This sentence is false". Only dumb.

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    10. Re:It's a doomed race against time by Monoman · · Score: 4, Informative
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    11. Re:It's a doomed race against time by FilmedInNoir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When someone comments something inflammatory or stupid I check their logs. http://slashdot.org/~glrotate He's a career troll.
      Where as I just have the occasional bad day or I'm emo for some reason.

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    12. Re:It's a doomed race against time by jafac · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As an amateur singer, I think that MOST people who believe that they "can't sing" - - can very likely develop their voice far beyond what they imagine, with some hard work, dedication, and practice, (and some professional instruction). Many, many common vocal flaws can be overcome with proper training, and practice.

      Will that overcome a deficit of "talent"; maybe not. But I think that probably about 80% of people out there who believe they "can't sing" - have a lot more hidden potential than they know.

      In the case of autotune - in my opinion, it's a useful tool to give a voice a certain "sound" but it is in no way a worthwhile substitute for a properly trained voice, or good vocal talent. It can easily be a substitute for "making money" in pop music production. But frankly, who gives a shit about that? Unwashed masses be unwashed masses, and the scammers out there in ANY industry are going to find ways to take advantage of that, and bet money off of them.

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    13. Re:It's a doomed race against time by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 5, Funny

      My problem isn't that I can't sing. It's just a little distracting when everyone keeps throwing rotten fruit at me while I'm singing.

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    14. Re:It's a doomed race against time by vux984 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hell, I bet dedicated audiophiles could probably come up with studio quality stuff using nothing more complex than Audacity.

      Dedicated musicians could.

      Dedicated audiophiles would blow the entire project budget on a 4 foot patch cord.

  2. The article is FUD by sinij · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article is FUD. Why? Because there is still demand for this service.

    Sure, current generation of services might die off, but as long as there is demand there will be a way to make money off it. Just look at the radio - they found a way to keep music "streaming" and pay the bills for the past 100 years or so. It is just a matter of finding correct monetization strategy.

    1. Re:The article is FUD by ducomputergeek · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The record labels want online streaming to die. I've not followed the pricing too closely, but the cost per stream is something like 10x the price of a terrestrial radio station. That is why Pandora I believe was trying to purchase an FM station somewhere. The rates are lower if you have a terrestrial radio signal that then also streams IIRC.

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    2. Re:The article is FUD by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just look at the radio

      I don't think that's how radios work.

    3. Re:The article is FUD by pixelpusher220 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      it's FUD because Pandora isn't fighting to pay artists 'less' it's fighting to be treated the same as radio...which, in the 21st century...is exactly what streaming services are.

      The RIAA has set pricing on streaming licenses ridiculously high - hence why no streaming service can reliably make a profit.

      The organization trying (and succeeding) at ripping off artists isn't the one actually playing the music...

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    4. Re:The article is FUD by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It is just a matter of finding correct monetization strategy.

      Just look at the pie charts - Pandora already has the system in place for music discovery, which is the coordination problem that the corporate model provided one solution for. Once bands don't need corporate music middlemen, they can get half of the revenue, or more.

      I've heard a bunch of great stuff on Pandora that I'd never heard _of_ before. Apparently there were a bunch of rock bands in the early 70's that achieved very little commercial success but recorded lots of fantastic music. I assume they each got a little piece of each of the thousand times Pandora played me the same blasted ad for an Intel ultrabook (which are overpriced).

      Getting new bands into the new system is the challenge. Their odds are low with the A&R man, so going into something like Pandora makes a bunch of sense. Pandora even has the filtering technology in place to detect the turkeys.

      Of course a random op-ed on RWW carries more credence than an entire industry, right?

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    5. Re:The article is FUD by kheldan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just look at radio

      I am looking at radio -- with an accusing eye, that is.

      I was 'raised on radio' -- been listening to it all my life, and I appreciate broadcast radio, and think it's sad that it's heyday seems to be over -- but I also like streaming internet radio, and broadcast radio is the reason I see that internet radio is having so many problems. Several years ago the broadcast radio industry threw a hissy-fit over internet radio and royalty fees, which almost immediately drove many internet radio stations out of business, and made the ones that remained in operation have to resort to selling ads. In short broadcast radio forced internet radio to use the same exact business model that they do, regardless of whether or not it applies to internet radio -- which it does not. Of course they knew this, and wanted to see internet radio go away entirely. Well, they may be getting close to their "goal". Of course the irony here is that what's really ripped the guts out of the broadcast radio industry is personal music players, but can they compete with that? No, they can't, so they lash out at whoever they can, desperately grasping at straws, in this case, internet radio.

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  3. Who cares. by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Funny

    The musical taste of an peson set at age 14.
    So just download the last 20 years of music in about half an hour you have your music for life.

  4. Too many? by jythie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder how much of this is just adjustment of the market to over-saturation.

    That is not to say the RIAA is not shooting itself in the foot by pushing for higher royalties then the consumer will bare, but I do wonder if the explosion in sites has lead to more then there is room for.

  5. Nope by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is just the beginning of the end for the corporate music industry. This has been going since the Napster days, and is just jumping from format to format. There is no profit left in corporate music (Labels). The number of good music acts is increasing as the wealth that was centralized by Labels becomes decentralized. Will there still be megabands and huge starts? Of course. However, the number of quality musical artists, who are able to reach a much wider audience, will spread out the available dollars to a broader selection of talent.

    The real money will be made playing music live for fans to enjoy. Here's to hoping for the death of the "boy bands" and talentless whores who take off their clothes and call it a musical act.

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    1. Re:Nope by X0563511 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The number of good music acts is increasing as the wealth that was centralized by Labels becomes decentralized.

      Huh? No, technology has advanced such that good musicians/songwriters/performers can become good acts without a middleman. That's all. The Labels are not becoming decentralized, they are becoming deprecated.

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    2. Re:Nope by Sique · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Boy bands have existed for ages, and while no one expects each of them to last long, they make big business while they are existent. They were never expected to produce music with an everlasting impression, they are expected to land one or two big songs, sell a huge amount of copies and then cease to exist.

      Lets just put "There is no quality music anymore" to the same group of sentences which have accompagned humanity since the first conversation about 1.7 mio years ago, like "They don't make things to last, like they used to" and "Those children of today! When I was young, we never...".

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  6. Oh snap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Back to downloading music for free and setting up playlists then!

  7. Did someone forget YouTube? by Viol8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its doing quite nicely thank you - admittedly thanks to googles large bank balance - and its what pretty much everyone I know uses to listen to music on now. If you want to download music of course thats a different matter , but to just listen to ad-hoc music in the background while doing something else YouTube is as good as any.

  8. Grow up without music? by Runaway1956 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Could you please point to a generation that had no music? Cavemen had music, as far as I can determine. Which generation since has done without music?

    The problem here is, that people expect to MAKE MONEY off of music.

    I don't pay money for music, yet I have music. If the web just dried up, if television and radio stopped broadcasting music, I would still have music. Two of my three sons have learned to play guitars. I used to play the trumpet, I could relearn all that I've forgotten.

    Grow up without music? Come on, just try to get in touch with reality.

    Big deal, the big corporate honchos may find that they can no longer make mega-bucks from music. It's not like they actually CONTRIBUTE any thing to music. They are frigging parasites. Let them die off. Just starve them. The world won't miss them.

    We will still have no-name kids playing music because they love music. And, if they are actually any good at it, people will reward them for playing. People will still be entertained.

    Grow up without music. Preposterous.

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  9. These streaming services should blame themselves by riskkeyesq · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My business, (as with millions of businesses), exceeds the square footage that's allowed for legally playing a radio. As a result, I pay DMX/Pandora for the privilege. The service sucks. I either need to download an app or load Flash onto my computer to administer the account and the music choice. The rotation is repetitive. It takes between 20 and 45 minutes for the genre or channel to change. The remote control doesn't work properly. The stream inexplicably stops often. Customer service is abysmal. iTunes Radio can't be used in commercial settings. Same with Spotify. And Rhapsody. When one's business practices consist of poor user experience, poor customer support, and poor product delivery one's business deserves to die. This isn't a result of a shit market, it's the result of shit products.

  10. Bitches and hoes by tepples · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's what gets me. If rappers insist on singing about bitches and hoes, why aren't there more rap songs about dog breeding and gardening?

  11. Gershwin's music is under perpetual copyright by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

    If the cited trend in this article is true, perhaps young listeners might learn of the majesty of Beethoven, the emotion of Tchaikovsky, the joy of Gershwin.

    Ludwig van Beethoven and Piotr Tchaikovsky yes, George Gershwin no. Along with The Walt Disney Company, Gershwin's estate was one of the biggest lobbying forces behind the Copyright Term Extension of 1998, the statute that initiated what some believe to be Congress's policy of "perpetual copyright on the installment plan". Gershwin's piece Rhapsody in Blue, first published in 1924, is perhaps the oldest famous piece of instrumental music still under copyright in the United States.

  12. Fairness in Music Licensing Act of 1998 by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    Some law states the max square footage you are allowed to play a radio?

    Yes, at least in Slashdot's home country. The bill was enacted as a rider to the Copyright Term Extension Act of 1998.