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Dogs Defecate In Alignment With Earth's Magnetic Field

Daniel_Stuckey writes "But for whatever its worth, all that spinning is far from arbitrary. What dog owners witness is a small and furry version of the aurora borealis and a link between species and environment that's as holistic and beautiful as a dog pooping can be. A team of Czech and German researchers found that dogs actually align themselves with the Earth's magnetic field when they poop. Proving at least that they're really devoted to their work, the researchers measured the direction of the body axis of 70 dogs from 37 breeds during 1,893 defecations and 5,582 urinations over the course of two years, and found that dogs "prefer to excrete with the body being aligned along the North-south axis under calm magnetic field conditions." They fittingly published their results [abstract] in the journal Frontiers in Zoology ."

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  1. wow by realilskater · · Score: 5, Funny

    sounds like a shitty job

    1. Re:wow by bob_super · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But they have secured next year's igNobel...

    2. Re:wow by plopez · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What do you think grad students are for?

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    3. Re:wow by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      But they have secured next year's igNobel...

      I dunno, Ig may want to wipe their hands clean of this one.

    4. Re:wow by Enry · · Score: 4, Funny

      If they ignore it, there could be a very big mess for them to clean up. They can't let someone else scoop up this prize. These researchers have it in the bag.

    5. Re:wow by EdIII · · Score: 4, Funny

      Abuse and entertainment?

  2. I smell bullshit by jonfr · · Score: 2

    I smell bullshit moving around the news media at this moment.

    1. Re:I smell bullshit by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have 2 dogs. When they pee at the same time, they always do it at right angles to each other...

      One of them obviously likes flux closure domains....

      I wonder if they did the study with multiple dogs peeing at the same time. This could be your opportunity to publish a follow-up PhD in Zoology!

    2. Re:I smell bullshit by lagomorpha2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Dogs are pack animals. What if this behavior developed as a way of making sure they were all at right angles to each other when they stopped to defecate as a way to watch for predators from all sides?

  3. dogs deficate not staring into the sun by goombah99 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I suspect the dogs just don't like staring into the sun then they poo. I'd also speculate that since streets and walls tend to be aligned with the cardinal directions there's an overall alignment augmentation due to their surroundings. finally if they like to poo in a shadow of a tree then likely they may face back to the tree and thus have a bias to north or south alignments.

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    1. Re:dogs deficate not staring into the sun by goombah99 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I wonder which way they poo in space and can anyone hear them scream?

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    2. Re:dogs deficate not staring into the sun by rednip · · Score: 2

      If that was true, then wouldn't it be more likely that they'd end up in a 'east-west' alignment(or something similar depending on latitude) during daylight hours , with the facing direction dependant on time of day than 'north-south' and random directions at night. If this turns out to be a repeatable study, it's one of the most shocking discoveries ever, if only because everyone who's ever waited on a dog to 'do it's business' has seen that twist every time. Of course it doesn't really answer 'why', but at least there seems to be a method to their madness.

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    3. Re:dogs deficate not staring into the sun by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      But if it was to do with the sun, they'd poop randomly at night. The effect due to the sun during day poops would still be evident.

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    4. Re:dogs deficate not staring into the sun by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 5, Informative

      I suspect the dogs just don't like staring into the sun then they poo. I'd also speculate that since streets and walls tend to be aligned with the cardinal directions there's an overall alignment augmentation due to their surroundings. finally if they like to poo in a shadow of a tree then likely they may face back to the tree and thus have a bias to north or south alignments.

      Wait. That means that during the early hours they should be facing West and during the late hours they should be facing East. At high noon it doesn't matter what they do. There's no sun-related time that would put bias on North/South axis alignment and the data shows a bias against East/West alignment.

      As for the assertion that the alignment of streets and walls are involved, I accidentally RTFA and found this curious line. "The magnetic consciousness was observed only in dogs off leash, in the middle of a field."

      Better yet, there's variation in behaviour that reflected magnetic fluctuations.

      So it turns out dogshit science isn't as easy as you thought.

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    5. Re:dogs deficate not staring into the sun by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Funny

      My dog poops mostly facing east, but I believe that's because I always take him on walks at night along the same route, and there's a long straight easterly stretch close to the end of the route. Come to think of it, I don't remember ever seeing him poop facing north or south. Maybe he's broken.

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    6. Re:dogs deficate not staring into the sun by istartedi · · Score: 2

      TFA mentioned that the study was conducted off-leash in a field. The owner has more influence than the magnetic field.

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    7. Re:dogs deficate not staring into the sun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You mean, the frightful day-star, it can actually move?! How fast is it? Can I evade it?

    8. Re:dogs deficate not staring into the sun by EdIII · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pooing in space has a well known direction:

      Everywhere

    9. Re:dogs deficate not staring into the sun by MiniMike · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe this research was conducted by grad students. They wake up just before noon, and work for about an hour.

    10. Re:dogs deficate not staring into the sun by physicsphairy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      According to the paper, studies were conducted in an open field and there was reportedly no bias based on whether data was recorded e.g., in the morning or in the afternoon. Due to the local weather conditions most of the time the skies were cloudy. When there chanced to be magnetic storms during the day then the dogs' North-South preference disappeared. They did a fairly good of controlling for other factors. The alignment of the magnetic field gave the best correlation.

    11. Re:dogs deficate not staring into the sun by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pooing in space has a well known direction: Everywhere

      No, it seems to gravitate toward one's helmet. Dark particles called Murphons appear to be responsible.

    12. Re: dogs deficate not staring into the sun by danomac · · Score: 4, Funny

      Naw, wouldn't pooping in space be called a floater?

    13. Re: dogs deficate not staring into the sun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      How is this not +5 funny? Fucking zero-g feces!

    14. Re:dogs deficate not staring into the sun by Culture20 · · Score: 2

      You mean, the frightful day-star, it can actually move?! How fast is it? Can I evade it?

      ~370 km/s (relative to the cosmic microwave background) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun

      That's slower than the speed of light, but if you see it coming at your planet, you can't avoid it unless you have a good space program.

    15. Re:dogs deficate not staring into the sun by aevan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'd love to refute this but... in um... maybe 7,000 walks of our two dogs, the clear majority of the time they face north. They face northish when we walk them on a north/south road. they face north when we let them crap on an east/west road. It's not always, but it's good majority. To the point that they'll muck around nibbling leaves and grass, but moment they do a 'spin in a circle and face north' you know what's coming next.

      The only time I've seen them go really randomish is when we're by a power station up the road. So maybe the story has a point.

    16. Re:dogs deficate not staring into the sun by drkim · · Score: 2

      Pooing in space has a well known direction:

      Everywhere

      Yes.

      Yes it does:

      http://www.nbcnews.com/science/poop-space-revisited-apollo-10s-floating-turds-pop-44-years-1C9284102

    17. Re:dogs deficate not staring into the sun by ebbe11 · · Score: 2

      I'd also speculate that since streets and walls tend to be aligned with the cardinal directions

      FYI: This is rarely the case in Germany and the Czech Republic where the study was performed.

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    18. Re:dogs deficate not staring into the sun by FlopEJoe · · Score: 2

      The spinning around is exactly the same behavior they use to tamp down grass for a place to sleep.. I mean, do you really want blades of grass tickling your bum while you poop?

      Hmph... I pay extra for that.

    19. Re:dogs deficate not staring into the sun by umafuckit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is biology. A standard deviation of 100 degrees is not at all surprising for a study such as this and on its own is not enough to write off the result. The study may be BS for other reasons, but a large SD isn't one of them. Look at the first figure in the paper (http://www.frontiersinzoology.com/content/pdf/1742-9994-10-80.pdf) The clustering around N/S is pretty impressive for the 0% magnetic declination. What I don't understand, however, is why the relationship falls apart when magnetic declination is non-zero. I don't see why that should happen and it makes me think the effect is BS.

    20. Re:dogs deficate not staring into the sun by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 2

      I've found that shaking my dog vigorously or lightly tapping his face with my index finger gets him to realign correctly.

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  4. I do the same. by BitterOak · · Score: 4, Funny

    I do the same, and I have a special rotating toilet in my house for that purpose.

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    1. Re:I do the same. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Unless your house is very close to it, I doubt it would make much of a difference. Wait, Santa, is that you?

  5. Correlation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    So which causes which?

  6. My dog is broken... by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 4, Funny

    He defecates in random directions.

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    1. Re:My dog is broken... by zlives · · Score: 5, Funny

      please have him subscribe to /. to get his shit straight...

    2. Re:My dog is broken... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why do we insist on speculating that animals have all of these magical abilities, like the ability to tell which way is north, ability to tell when an earthquake is coming, ability to tell when a person has cancer, etc. Humans are animals too, and yet we can't do any of these things (without tools). Frankly, I think the people who say animals can do these things are just full of crap.

      Different species have different senses, and levels of senses. Your eyesight is much, much keener than a dog's, although not as good as an eagle's; your sense of smell is much better than the eagle's, but nowhere near as good as the dog's. And the way brains with very different structures process the information is different too. Is that really so difficult to believe?

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    3. Re:My dog is broken... by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 2

      Is that really so difficult to believe?

      And, of course, we need good empirical evidence to help determine what we should be willing to believe about these things. Hence, we need studies like this. Otherwise, all we're able to do is speculate about what the senses (ours and other animals) are capable of.

    4. Re:My dog is broken... by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2

      Any high power lines near your house? Ham radio?

      Plus, it only works off-leash in a field.

      I was thinking that this was a good reason to keep a dog with you if exploring uncharted territory though; not only can you use the excrement to find your way back, you can also take your bearings from it.

      I wonder if this extends to other animals as well... for animals excreting patties or drops, it wouldn't be too useful, but for those excreting logs it could be a useful addition to moss and sun tracking :)

    5. Re:My dog is broken... by dbIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why do we insist on speculating that animals have all of these magical abilities

      This is the opposite - trying to work out more about senses instead of putting it all down to magic.

      ability to tell when a person has cancer

      They smell different and dogs are better at smelling than us. That's all it is. Sensors can be used instead of dogs now that it has been worked out what the dogs are smelling.

      Frankly, I think the people who say animals can do these things are just full of crap.

      Finding stuff in the dark looks like magic too until echo location is described.

  7. Re:Dogs don't like sun in their eyes by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 5, Funny

    Alternative explanation. Dogs face away from the sun while crapping.

    Where is the raw data?

    Annoyingly enough some of it is under the sole of my shoe.

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  8. When I am lost in the forest by malvcr · · Score: 2

    mmm ...

    If I am in a tropical forest, and I can't see where is the sun because so many trees and every direction is "green", have no GPS neither a device with WIFI ... but have a dog.

    I am saved :-) ... just I need to give the dog some food and to wait.

  9. soooo; by jafac · · Score: 4, Interesting

    they won't poop on a magnetized carpet?

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    1. Re:soooo; by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Funny

      they won't poop on a magnetized carpet?

      Oscillate the field and you've at least got an exercise device.

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  10. Re:Dogs don't like sun in their eyes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Alternative explanation. Dogs face away from the sun while crapping.

    Where is the raw data?

    Annoyingly enough some of it is under the sole of my shoe.

    May Dog have mercy on your sole...

  11. And cats still don't give a sh** by jslarve · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They really don't.

  12. Patent Pending by organgtool · · Score: 2, Funny

    So stop dicking around already and put a dog in a Faraday cage to see if we can get a dog that doesn't poop!

    1. Re:Patent Pending by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Funny

      So stop dicking around already and put a dog in a Faraday cage to see if we can get a dog that doesn't poop!

      They tried that. It worked for about a week.

      Then, the dog exploded.

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    2. Re:Patent Pending by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 3, Funny

      So stop dicking around already and put a dog in a Faraday cage to see if we can get a dog that doesn't poop!

      Faraday cage? If we put him in Schrödinger's box he'll poop and not poop simultaneously until you open the box and fix his state, or that of the poop.... or.... oh never mind.

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    3. Re:Patent Pending by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      True fact: When I was younger I would go for up to 2 weeks without defecating. Doctors were worried I would die but nothing bad happened except the excruciatingly painful and long sessions on the toilet where I prayed for death.

    4. Re:Patent Pending by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're oversharing again.

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  13. Re:I think my dog is broke by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Funny

    I usually use frontline to get rid of the bugs my dogs may have.

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  14. Worst. Compass. Ever. by Exsam · · Score: 2

    Of all time.

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  15. Magnets by suss · · Score: 2

    Does that mean that if i put a bunch of Molybdenum magnets under the sidewalk, i could get the dogs confused enough to stop pooping there?

    Or maybe the opposite effect...

  16. Slow news day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Must be nothing about the NSA today.

  17. Most Appropriate Journal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Should have been published in "Annals in Zoology" instead

  18. Furry Crayon by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

    I put a magnet on an RC toy car and got my dog to draw pictures on the lawn

  19. I can verify it with my dog by Chewbacon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I take pictures of our dog pooping and send them to my wife has pranks. "Hey, look at what the baby's doing. :dog shitting picture:" So, I went through them and sure enough she's either facing north or south in the backyard pinching a loaf. She maybe off by a 10 degrees, but never east or west with the same margin.

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  20. Can you write a grant application ? by drnb · · Score: 4, Funny

    I wonder how many scientists who happen to own a dog are now writing grant applications.

  21. Yet another horrible summary by OneAhead · · Score: 5, Informative

    (A draft of) the actual research article is freely available here. Key points not mentioned in the summary:
    * the researchers concluded the magnetic field was responsible after observing the dogs lost their directional bias on days with geomagnetic storms, which is pretty cool IMHO
    * the researchers did explicitly discuss bias due to the direction of the sun, and the measures they took to eliminate it from their study.

    All in all, their findings are not to be taken as gospel (as always with original research), but if confirmed, they could spark a hunt for underlying biochemical mechanism.

    1. Re:Yet another horrible summary by radarskiy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I propose that when someone comments "They should have considered X" when the article does consider X those of us who read the article should be allowed to punch that commenter in the face. They won't understand any response more subtle than that,

  22. Re:Accidntally opressed "Redundant" to the most in by radarskiy · · Score: 2

    Not only is it speculation, it is easily refuted speculation since time of day is considered in the actual article.

  23. First time predicted in mammals? by BringsApples · · Score: 5, Interesting

    But this was perhaps the first time that magnetic sensitivity was proven in dogs, and it was also the first time that a predictable behavioral reaction to the fluctuations in the magnetic field—magnetic storms, often as resulting from solar flares—was proven in a mammal.

    I might be off topic here, but...
    My house sits almost exactly diagonal to Earth's magnetic field, meaning that - unlike Solomon's Temple - only the corners of the house face North, East, South or West. I noticed that both of my kids wiggle around in their sleep in order to have their head face East. This happens in their beds, as well as on the floor. I told my wife what I thought, and we did some experiments:
    Beds:
    I moved both of the kids' beds to have the head face East, and both kids slept straight in their beds (they didn't wiggle out of that direction at all - we tested this for a few weeks. When I moved them back, the kids wiggled to have their heads face East again. So I moved the beds back to have the head face East and left them that way.

    Floor:
    On the weekend we would put a bunch of blankets down in the living room and pass out watching movies. The kids would always wiggle to have their heads facing East. I changed the blankets to have their heads facing West, but the kids would wiggle around to have their heads facing East.

    I don't really find that either my wife or I wiggle around to face a certain direction, but I do find it easier to fall asleep if I move my couch to have my head facing East. Not sure if anyone else has ever had a similar experience.

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  24. Cows graze along a north-south axis by Beeftopia · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Of Cows and Power Lines
    Cattle seem to have an internal compass--one that's messed up by power lines
    Posted 1 Jul 2009 | 4:00 GMT
    IEEE Spectrum

    A team of researchers from Germany and the Czech Republic has already discovered that, all factors being equal, cattle and two species of deer tend to align themselves along a north-south axis using some innate magnetic sense, and that this preferred alignment is disturbed when they graze under high-voltage power lines.

    http://spectrum.ieee.org/energy/the-smarter-grid/of-cows-and-power-lines

  25. Bee colony collapse disorder by LongearedBat · · Score: 2

    Could perhaps Bee colony collapse disorder be caused by the sudden increase of wireless technology that's been built since the early 2000's? Perhaps the bees simply can't navigate their way back to the apiary because their internal compasses are scrambled? That might explain why we haven't found any toxins or diseases that cause it.