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TorrentFreak Blocked By British ISP Sky's Porn Filter

judgecorp writes "TorrentFreak, a news site covering copyright issues and file sharing news, has been blocked by the porn filter of British ISP Sky. As TorrentFreak points out, the filter is provided by Symantec, and doesn't block Symantec when the company reports malware news: 'Thanks to their very own self-categorization process they wear the "Technology and Telecommunication" label. Is their website blocked by any of their own filters? I won’t even bother answering that.'" From the TorrentFreak article: "Our crimes are the topics we cover. As readers know we write about file-sharing, copyright and closely linked issues including privacy and web censorship. We write about the positives and the negatives of those topics and we solicit comments from not only the swarthiest of pirates, but also the most hated anti-piracy people on the planet."

171 comments

  1. The question by erikkemperman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The question is whether this was always the plan. First put in place the infrastructure for censorship -- eek, porn! -- and then slide on down the slippery slope.

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    1. Re:The question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes. Next question?

    2. Re:The question by mSparks43 · · Score: 4, Funny

      With any luck they'll block the BBC soon.

    3. Re:The question by erikkemperman · · Score: 2

      Yes. Next question?

      What are we -- well, the Brits in this case -- going to do to prevent that?

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    4. Re:The question by gweihir · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think they decided to not even bother to hide it and to start blocking copyright-terrorism, deviating opinion sedition and independent thought treason right from the beginning. They seem to feel very sure nobody will be able to protest effectively.

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    5. Re:The question by runeghost · · Score: 4, Funny

      Anyone calling it "Hadrian's Firewall" yet?

    6. Re:The question by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Informative

      The question is whether this was always the plan. First put in place the infrastructure for censorship -- eek, porn! -- and then slide on down the slippery slope.

      They always said it was. The thing is most people just got stuck on the "think of the children and didn't look at the rest. The list includes:

      "violent material", "extremist related content", "anorexia and eating disorder websites", "suicide related websites", "alcohol" and "smoking", "web forums", "esoteric material", "Web blocking circumvention tools", and "sites where the main purpose is to provide information on subjects such as respect for a partner, abortion, gay and lesbian lifestyle, contraceptive, sexually transmitted diseases and pregnancy."

    7. Re:The question by erikkemperman · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I did not know that. Must be because I've only ever heard it referred to as the "porn filter".

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    8. Re:The question by reikae · · Score: 1

      I don't like the idea of filtering at all, but the "respect for a partner" bit really makes me go WTF. Since when is having respect for one's partner considered harmful?

    9. Re:The question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Anyone calling it "Hadrian's Firewall" yet?

      Yup, for a while now.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadrian's_Firewall

    10. Re:The question by gutnor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We are supposed to drown our sorrow by consuming a little bit more.

    11. Re:The question by erikkemperman · · Score: 3, Funny

      Glad to hear you've formulated a plan. Cheers!

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    12. Re:The question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Since when is having respect for one's partner considered harmful?

      Well, those sites likely reference the fact that you shouldn't forcibly mash your jiggly bits into your partner's jiggly bits.

      We can't have kids learning that jiggly bits exist! Why can't you think of the children? Why aren't you happily sacrificing your rights as an adult so that parents won't have to be embarassed talking about natural bodily functions with their wretched little brats?

      Are you some kind of monster?

    13. Re:The question by mwvdlee · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We need a different name for these kinds of filters.
      I propose "Divergent Opinion Filter".

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    14. Re:The question by davester666 · · Score: 1

      There is no question. This was the plan all along.

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    15. Re:The question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What about "Free Speech Filter"?

    16. Re:The question by michelcolman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In other words, porn is an ideal lubricant for slopes.

    17. Re:The question by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First put in place the infrastructure for censorship -- eek, porn! -- and then slide on down the slippery slope.

      Censorship is about power. There is no "infrastructure" needed for censorship so much as simply giving someone the power to stand between the public and certain types of information.

      Power has been granted and it is being used for the purpose it was always intended: silencing those who people in power do not like.

      The public did not call for or approve blocking child pornography, obscene content, etc etc per se. The public -- and the public is to blame here more so than politicians -- approved granting power to censors to shut-up malcontents and misfits. This is what those supporting censorship actually wanted; duct tape around the mouths of Lefties, wingnuts, geeks, gays, and truth-seekers. Pornography hardly entered the equation except as an emotive wedge.

      A large segment of the public supported this, and played along with the pornography red herring. This mentality of a large part of the population is rarely ever acknowledged, much less discussed or analysed. But a five minute conversation with a on an innocuous topic such as, say, lolcats, will reveal that there are a many people who would be happy with seeing the vast majority of web-pages shut-down by fiat.

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    18. Re:The question by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      Oh, that's OK then. Surely we don't want to teach children to respect a partner!

    19. Re:The question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Daily Mail - the propaganda paper of the Conservative Party - is more against gender equality than pornography. "Respect for a partner" really means "not abusing your wife", and if there's one thing the Big-C Conservatives universally advocate, it's for women to be subordinate.

      (No, Thatcher was no exception. She spoke against non-traditional families - with one or two thoroughly homophobic speeches to add to the mix - and regarded feminism as like trade unionism. And we're not talking about modern hipster penis-hating feminism, but the '70s "let's treat women decently now" feminism.)

    20. Re:The question by Chrisq · · Score: 0

      Oh, that's OK then. Surely we don't want to teach children to respect a partner!

      i imagine that this was added at the request of the Islamic lobby.

    21. Re:The question by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      Wow, "web forums". That's just absurd.

    22. Re:The question by Chrisq · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wow, "web forums". That's just absurd.

      A politician saw one once and didn't like it!

    23. Re:The question by roscocoltran · · Score: 1

      I don't get it. Is it really as enormous as it seems ? Can they just block a web forum because it is a web forum ?

    24. Re:The question by fa2k · · Score: 1

      (sorry, couple of keys are fucked). Wow. I was coviced it was a joke util i read the referece. This is mad. Last item's proaly worded like that from the list provider to distiguish from por, the cesors had to go ahead ad check that ox for some reaso

    25. Re:The question by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      Well, I dug through the links to BT's list, and it seems web forums aren't on there. However, it's worse than you could imagine.

    26. Re:The question by SuricouRaven · · Score: 1

      Take a look at the Daily Mail's site. For all their talk of the evils of porn, it's usually got more than a few celebrity women in bikinis in it. And today, photos of some topless celebrity men.

    27. Re:The question by peragrin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      the UK doesn't have free speech. it isn't considered a right.

      Now I do believe there is a law that allows one to speak their own mind, as long it doesn't(insert long list of exceptions here).

      Only a handful of countries actually have free speech and free press.

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    28. Re:The question by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've been working on a USB flash drive loaded with software to bypass the filtering. Pre-configured portable Firefox installation, Chrome extensions, maybe even a portable VM with Tor. Flash drives are really cheap on eBay now so I might buy a load and give them away.

      I wrote to my MP, who didn't seem to understand the problem, and forwarded my concerns (as well as others about GCHQ) to the relevant department. I eventually got an extremely vague response that could be accurately summarised as "fuck off, pleb". I think I'm basically at war with my country now.

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    29. Re:The question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, those sites likely reference the fact that you shouldn't forcibly mash your jiggly bits into your partner's jiggly bits.

      We can't have kids learning that jiggly bits exist!

      Or rather they can learn that jiggly bits exist, but not be allowed to discover that they can used for anything more than urinating out of.

    30. Re:The question by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      We prefer "Cameron's porn filter" because it associates his ignorance and stupidity with pornography and a failed attempt to protect children.

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    31. Re:The question by gutnor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      1. Write your MP and express your outrage. Stop using a provider using filtering. Write your new provider CEO and explain why you joined them. Write your old provider and explain why you quit them.
      2. Get some friend interested and mount an official protest in front of Westminster Palace. Get all of those people to stop using the bad provider too. Ignore the DailyMail labeling you as a kiddie porn addict wanting to destroy the economy and force toddler to watch hardcore porn and terrorism training video on internet.
      3. Continue, get more people on board, get traditional/real media interested. Ignore government promises to oversight the filter list, claim of transparency, ...
      4. Continue get more people on board and create your own party. Win the election, change the law.


      People do that all the time - like for war, animal abuse, ... If the subject is more popular than important for the government, it works. There are organisation that will help you through that, there are MP that will support you. (see Pirate Party, Touche pas ma pute in France, ...)

      If you are cynical about that approach use my previous response.

    32. Re:The question by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Esoteric, adj. intended for or likely to be understood by only a small number of people with a specialized knowledge or interest.

      What... the... fuck? So any child interested in something non-mainstream should be blocked from educating themselves. This term would appear to apply to virtually anything anyone wishes to block.

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    33. Re:The question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, that would only filter out Scottish sites.

    34. Re:The question by erikkemperman · · Score: 2

      That sounds like a more effective strategy, thanks. I will look into it just as soon as the effects of your previous suggestion wear off.

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    35. Re:The question by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      Well I, for one, am going to try to get as much of the internet blocked as possible to highlight the censorship. If I keep mentioning explosive bombs and masturbation, then maybe I can get Slashdot banned as well.

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    36. Re:The question by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      "think of the children and didn't look at the rest. The list includes:

      And now, Slashdot:

      (o)(o)

      Damn, I haven't had a use for that since 300 baud.

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    37. Re:The question by mrclisdue · · Score: 3, Funny

      Wow, "web forums". That's just absurd.

      A politician saw one once and didn't like it!

      Indeed. I believe it was beta.slashdot.org

      cheers,

    38. Re:The question by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      They'll just block the protest sites, too.

      Add in TV censorship, put out a few press releases about how many children have been saved ... everything is happiness and smiles. What an awesome government we've elected!

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    39. Re:The question by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Yes. Next question?

      I realize you're jesting, but that's only because you haven't seen the list of blockable things:

      http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/46809/kw/parental%20controls/c/346,6679,6680/related/1

      ie. It's not just "porn".

      TorrentFreak *is* covered by that list and was therefore blocked.

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    40. Re:The question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...basically anyone or anything deemed or suspected of being disruptive to the established alpha-beta hierarchy. And, yes, the beta's want it just as much as the alphas, if not more so.

    41. Re:The question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Only a handful of countries actually have free speech and free press.

      Oh yeah? Name one.

    42. Re:The question by Muros · · Score: 2

      Yes. Next question?

      I realize you're jesting, but that's only because you haven't seen the list of blockable things:

      http://bt.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/46809/kw/parental%20controls/c/346,6679,6680/related/1

      ie. It's not just "porn".

      TorrentFreak *is* covered by that list and was therefore blocked.

      I just looked at that list, and cannot see a relevant category.

    43. Re:The question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the UK doesn't have free speech. it isn't considered a right.

      Now I do believe there is a law that allows one to speak their own mind, as long it doesn't(insert long list of exceptions here).

      Only a handful of countries actually have free speech and free press.

      Depends on what you mean by free speech. If you mean the american version where anyone can say anything they like, whether true or not, and not be held accountable for the results of their lies, then no the Brits don't have that. If you ignore libel, slander, and incitement to hatred, they can say pretty much whatever they want.

    44. Re:The question by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      The question is why are you even asking this question.. of course it was part of the plan.

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    45. Re:The question by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      1. Write your MP and express your outrage.

      Receive a vague, mostly irrelevant canned reply.

      2. Get some friend interested and mount an official protest in front of Westminster Palace.

      Be sure the apply for the relevant protest permits first and to do it in the designated area (which isn't visible from any important palace windows).

      3. Continue, get more people on board, get traditional/real media interested. Ignore government promises to oversight the filter list, claim of transparency, ...

      Gradually find out you're in the minority of "people who give a damn".

      4. Continue get more people on board and create your own party. Win the election, change the law.

      Har!

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    46. Re:The question by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 2

      It's funny to me the asymmetrical public interest involved in "protecting people." I remember years ago -- with no surprise -- there was a revelation that the majority of "I'm offended" complaints to the FCC came from about 4 people and a small AstroTurf company. You'd think some of the networks would at least start to recognize "angry caller #4" by voice after a while.

      With this current "protection" we are to believe that there are offended people (OK, I do believe they exist), that might be burdened with the wrong shocking thing on a google search. Only they can change google settings to avoid most of them. And they can NOT CLICK on random links. Meanwhile, it's very obvious that there is HUGE DEMAND from the "not shocked". When not downloading Netflix video -- the majority of internet traffic seems to be "shocking."

      So if this were up to a vote -- the "shocked" would be defeated with a filibuster proof majority. It's clear there is an alternative agenda in a system of protecting people that is "not up for a vote." And then they pronounce that they did it for you. Sure, and that missive from Occupy Wallstreet that is annoying to the people greasing the wheels gets lost in the filters. Oops!

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    47. Re:The question by jalopezp · · Score: 1

      At last, a leader has spoken out! When is our next protest, then?

    48. Re:The question by jalopezp · · Score: 1

      Change it to bombs and explosive masturbation.

    49. Re:The question by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      I just looked at that list, and cannot see a relevant category.

      Try again...

      "Obscene and Tasteless - This category will block sites that offer advice on how to commit illegal or criminal activities, or to avoid detection."

      Torrentfreak often has articles on using Tor and proxies to hide your online activity (Random pick: this one)

      Oh, you were expecting them to be covered under "File sharing"...? Silly rabbit.

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    50. Re:The question by erikkemperman · · Score: 1

      Rhetorical question? As is obvious from all the "of course it was" answers like yours.

      About your .sig, do you mean John Wilkes Booth? If so, well then you won't care what I have to say since I am not a big fan of slavery. If not, I am probably not the first to be confused.

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    51. Re:The question by jalopezp · · Score: 2

      Do you mean File Sharing? Because they define file sharing like this:

      This category will block sites used to illegally distribute software or copyrighted materials such as movies, music, software cracks, illicit serial numbers, illegal license key generators and sites used as a direct exchange of files between users without dependence on a central server.

      Which TorrentFreak is not. But maybe you meant Obscene and Tasteless, which they define like this:

      This category will block sites that offer advice on how to commit illegal or criminal activities, or to avoid detection. These can include how to commit murder, build bombs, pick locks, etc. Sites with information about illegal manipulation of electronic devices, hacking, fraud and illegal distribution of software will be blocked along with content that may be offensive or tasteless such as bathroom humour, or gruesome or even frightening content such as shocking depictions of blood or wounds, or cruel animal treatment.

      Once again, TorrentFreak does not fit the category. It does not help anyone commit any criminal activities or evade detection, despite all its biases towards the pirates.

    52. Re:The question by Muros · · Score: 1

      Obscene and tasteless? Ok, fair enough, I just looked at the headings so I missed the "avoiding detection" bit, but that is ridiculous.

    53. Re:The question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's too bad not enough people give a damn about these things.

      i devices have massive amounts of censorship, but large swaths of people still buy them and clamor for more.

    54. Re:The question by jalopezp · · Score: 1

      Topless men! Oh my! Such pornography.

      Surely you can see the differences between pictures of celebrities in entertainment sites and pornography. One is arousing, the other is irritating. They're not against irritating photos of partial nudity, they're against arousing videos of penetrative sex.

    55. Re:The question by ancientt · · Score: 1

      He does mean John Wilkes Booth. Some people believe that Lincoln acted as a tyrant and counter to the goals that the United States was founded on. Slavery is a tangential issue just like porn is to the censorship debate. People who object to the censorship are conveniently labeled as supporters of porn and people who object to the suppression of states rights are conveniently labeled as supporters of slavery. However, supporting states rights doesn't make you a supporter of slavery just like decrying censorship doesn't make you a supporter of pornography.

      Many people who object to the censorship are supporters of porn and many who object to the suppression of states rights are racists. Having people you dislike agree with you is an uncomfortable position but it doesn't make the position you're in wrong.

      As for me? I generally don't censor or filter my family's access to the internet, (though I did when my children were younger,) but I do log things and when appropriate discuss with them my opinions of their choices. I'm perfectly comfortable with believing that I should do that but my government and my ISP should not.

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    56. Re:The question by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      I just looked at the headings so I missed the "avoiding detection" bit

      You're starting to grok it...

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    57. Re:The question by erikkemperman · · Score: 1

      Well, okay, to each his own. I just remembered the name vaguely from a history lesson, and I can't really comment on how tangential the slavery issue was for this Booth character. Wikipedia does say this in the first paragraph:

      He was also a Confederate sympathizer, vehement in his denunciation of Lincoln, and strongly opposed the abolition of slavery in the United States.

      source

      Either way, still seems a bit odd to me that someone would decide whether or not anyone is worth conversing with on any topic based on just this one snippet of ancient history. Maybe that's just me though.

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    58. Re:The question by Doomsought · · Score: 1

      ON the contrary, there is a significant amount of physical and software modifications to the routing infrastructure required to support censorship of this type.

    59. Re:The question by MrNemesis · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Stop using a provider using filtering.

      Catch 22 here unfortunately. The government basically said to the big ISPs "implement a filter voluntarily or we'll force you to do it via draconian legislation", and the ISPs reluctantly agreed. Small/niche ISPs weren't going to have it forced on them as it was seen as implementing a mandatory filter would have a disproportionately high capital outlay for the smaller firms, so almost all of them don't implement (and many, such as AAISP, wear this as a badge of pride) but of course many of them provide the option of safety filters/software as an optional service.

      However, the threat is basically there that if there is a groundswell of people flocking to unfiltered ISPs, they'll no longer be considered a small ISP and the government will start breathing down their necks.

      The writing's been on the wall for years now (what with the histrionics generated by the Daily Heil and Mumsnet [who have since recanted I believe] amongst others) so a great many geeks have been using VPNs and alternative DNS servers for quite some time. We'll have to see how far the thumbscrews get tightened in that regard.

      Fuck knows what Cameron et al see in this other than a blatant power-grab via pandering populism, but sufficiently advanced malice is indistinguishable from stupidity.

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    60. Re:The question by nschubach · · Score: 1

      Oh, you guys have "Free Speech Zones" as well?

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    61. Re:The question by nschubach · · Score: 1

      I love this part:

      direct exchange of files between users without dependence on a central server.

      It's almost as if it's saying, "If we can't shut it down, it's not permissible!"

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    62. Re:The question by Anonymous+Cowled · · Score: 1

      In other words, porn is an ideal lubricant for slopes.

      PHWOAAR! No more boring old snowboarding for me!

    63. Re:The question by dr_blurb · · Score: 3

      Obscene and Tasteless - This category will block sites that offer advice on how to commit illegal or criminal activities, or to avoid detection.

      The trick is to combine things that parents will obviously want
      to block (in that category: "how to commit murder, build
      bombs, " and "gruesome or even frightening content such as
      shocking depictions of blood or wounds, or cruel animal
      treatment.") with stuff that the MPAA/government etc. want to
      block: "Sites with information about illegal manipulation of
      electronic devices, hacking, fraud and illegal distribution of
      software will be blocked along with ..."

      ... in the same category!

      "Illegal manipulation of electronic devices, hacking" is nice and
      broad as well, so plenty of sites to block.

      Why is hacking "obscene and tasteless" anyway?

    64. Re:The question by xaxa · · Score: 1

      Oh, you guys have "Free Speech Zones" as well?

      I think the restriction is on a procession/march near Westminster Palace. You can still make a static protest.

      http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Organising-a-protest-march-or-static-demonstration/1400002380711/1400002380711 suggests that's correct.

    65. Re:The question by MrNemesis · · Score: 1

      I've quoted an excerpt here from a book, Country of the Blind by Christopher Brookmyre, that I've always thought summed up the issue rather succinctly. People clamouring to have something banned have almost never seen it. The only enjoyment I ever get out of Moral Panics has been playing Spot the Idiot Who Hasn't Even Seen What They're Complaining About and in the UK I grew up through the panics on "video nasties", video games in general and Night Trap especially, US wrestling, Teenage Mutant Hero* Turtles and a dozen others. It's a tactic often used by the tories for winning votes and it seems to work every single time. Porn is just the easiest option because everyone can hate it thanks to a cultural quirk of the language.

      "It's simple. Right," Parlabane now sat forward in his chair, eyes shining through their bloodshot tiredness. He was clearly impressed with Swan's cleverness, and therefore more impressed with his own for sussing it. "When asked whether sexually explicit material should be legal in the UK, most people say yes it should. Ask the same people if hard-core pornography should be legal, and they all say no. So you ask them to define pornography, and they say: sexual material that is perverse, depraved, corrupting, Offensive To Women, yakka yakka yakka. Who the fuck's going to say yes, let's legalise that? Nobody. But it's completely meaningless. There's no imperial scale of depravity, no universal standard of what is Offensive To Women or to men for that matter. It's entirely subjective. And this is Swan's coup. That's why pornography, like it or loathe it, is the greatest aunt sally* in politics. Back Swan, vote against porn, and you're voting against whatever you individually disapprove of, your own personal sexual demon. Nobody knows what they're really objecting to, because nobody's ever going to see what this material is that they're banning. But in the voters' minds it's whatever they don't like. This fine upstanding man is fighting for them, against whatever they don't like."
      "The LCD vote," said Nicole quietly, mainly to herself. "So they don't just rally to the Tory banner, they rally to a man and a party who are once more saying exactly what they want to hear. Or think they want to hear."

      * Ninja was seen as too violent
      ** Analagous to a straw man http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aunt_Sally

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    66. Re:The question by Soluzar · · Score: 1

      That's a question, to you? The only question I have is just how long until the friction preventing you from opting out of the filters begins to increase.

    67. Re:The question by ShaunC · · Score: 1

      Those look sorta young. Now Slashdot will be banned in the UK and Australia!

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    68. Re:The question by number17 · · Score: 2

      Torrentfreak often has articles on using Tor and proxies to hide your online activity

      And yet we have been promoting the use of Tor for circumventing the use of censorship by oppressive governments https://citizenlab.org/tag/tor/.

      Perhaps the UK will be added to the list, or have they been on it the whole time?

    69. Re:The question by sabri · · Score: 1

      I wrote to my MP, who didn't seem to understand the problem, and forwarded my concerns (as well as others about GCHQ) to the relevant department. I eventually got an extremely vague response that could be accurately summarised as "fuck off, pleb". I think I'm basically at war with my country now.

      I don't own any firearms, but I believe this is the primary reason for the second amendment of the U.S. constitution...

      Pierce Morgan, back to the studio.

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    70. Re:The question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have the original.

    71. Re: The question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We all know torrentfreak is there to support pirates. Its in the name... duh.

    72. Re:The question by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Yes, John Wilkes. No, the war really wasn't about slavery.

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    73. Re:The question by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Either way, still seems a bit odd to me that someone would decide whether or not anyone is worth conversing with on any topic based on just this one snippet of ancient history. Maybe that's just me though.

      See that is a trap, i never said you had to agree solely about my feeling about Booth being a patriot ( for the record i base this on him willing to give his life for his country, even if his country was short lived ), but what i state in general.

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    74. Re: The question by DrigJ · · Score: 1

      So, if you turned all of those filters on at once, would you get an empty internet? From what I read, that seems to be the only thing left.

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    75. Re: The question by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      Sounds about right. There's a list that covers literally anything, including multiple that would cover BT's site if they weren't the ones running the list.

    76. Re:The question by erikkemperman · · Score: 1

      A trap.. Well I totally fell for it! I still don't really understand, but that's probably because I tend to prefer discussions with folks who don't agree with me. I'm guessing I'm not the first who misunderstood your sig, though, but glad that it's not the slavery bit that makes you admire the guy.

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    77. Re:The question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me take a wild guess.. The B and the N are your fucked keys?

    78. Re:The question by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Once again, TorrentFreak does not fit the category. It does not help anyone commit any criminal activities or evade detection, despite all its biases towards the pirates.

      So why did they put "torrent" in their name?

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    79. Re:The question by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Why is hacking "obscene and tasteless" anyway?

      Or "lock picking" ... I wonder how the guys at toool feel about being classified as obscene/tasteless by the UK government?

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    80. Re:The question by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      They are using sexual imagery to attract viewers. The difference between them and any other ad-funded pornography site is one of degree only. It's a very large degree - you could compare it to someone embezzeling a company for thousands of pounds vs someone who pockets the extra coins when given the wrong change - but it's still essentially the same thing.

    81. Re:The question by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 2

      Explosive masturbation sounds like a fun hobby. Do you perhaps have a newsletter I could subscribe to?

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    82. Re:The question by nobuddy · · Score: 1

      The same reason they put freak. because they wanted to. What has that got to do with piracy?

      I assume you ARE aware of the massive non-piracy use for torrents, right? Including almost every game patch mechanism in use today.

    83. Re:The question by nobuddy · · Score: 1

      If it's not Scottish, it's crap!

    84. Re:The question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the UK doesn't have free speech. What it does have is a system that says you have to be charged with an actual, defined crime before you can be punished.

      True, a few of those crimes are pretty vague and can be fitted to most people at need, but in practice they're seldom used. (I can't recall the last time I heard of anyone being jailed for "loitering".) But in general, "free speech" is "protected" just so long as what you're saying is not a crime, because speaking is not a crime. Saying some things, in some circumstances, is.

    85. Re:The question by Smauler · · Score: 1

      This category will block sites that offer advice on how [...] to avoid detection.

      Any site that offers advice on anonymity on the internet, which includes torrentfreak, falls into this category. Mere mention of Tor could be construed as advice on how to avoid detection. Note this is not "avoid detection while committing illegal or criminal activities", it's just "avoid detection".

    86. Re: The question by zevans · · Score: 1

      Little bit of a problem with point 1 there. Lots of people went to O2 / Be broadband as it was not shaped or filtered. Guess what? Sky bought them.

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    87. Re:The question by tacet · · Score: 1

      and after a while UK will become the second happiest country in world.

    88. Re:The question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only a Tardis could break out of such a block.

    89. Re:The question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The two biggest protests in my lifetime by the public in the UK (ie. the public actually got off their arses and attended a march in London):

      i) The Poll Tax
      ii) The Iraq War

      Result:
      i) The introduction of Council Tax (ie. the re-introduction of Rates by another name)
      ii) The Iraq War

      Now I'm as much a hater of the evil witch as the next sane person, but in Bliar's time politics finally realised that (a la the American model), it didn't need to respond to the masses at all, except for point-scoring against the rival party, and as long as it didn't upset the status quo. So both parties were gung-ho for war, despite the majority of the public being against it, and war it was.

      The current biggest upset is the NHS. As beloved as tea, the Queen, and disembowling for those Cruel To Animals, the Tories are nevertheless pushing through the privatisations of arguably the greatest institution in the UK. Even in the Daily Fail, reading the comments section you'd think it was a hotbed of conshie, commie, pacifist, Guardian-reading TRAITORS, going by the most rated. People don't want the NHS dismantled. Labour isn't saying anything, and it's going to happen anyway.

      Compared to that, almost nobody cares about Snowdon, and even less about porn filtering. Partly, it's the mass ignorance of technology and it's consequences. I think sometimes tech sites forget just how staggeringly ignorant the vast majority of people are about technology. *We* may roll our eyes when someone suggests using emacs (/sarcasm), but I was reduced to demonstrating with the mouse how to launch a browser and get to Gmail, because none of the words I used were understood by the friend of a father how we'd moved from an ancient XP laptop to a shiny new Windoze 8.1 Dell. And this was on the Desktop. How to move on from that to safe TOR usage in an OSS OS before he dies of old age and I from an embolysm?

    90. Re:The question by Fatalis · · Score: 1

      UK is party to the European Convention on Human Rights and it provides the right to freedom of expression, though.

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  2. Works for me by Mr_Silver · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Well, I'm on Sky and I just clicked on the torrentfreak link and ... lo ... their article appeared.

    Looks like it was a short-lived mistake.

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    1. Re:Works for me by Mr_Silver · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ignore me. Turns out the blocking only occurs if you have the under-18 filter turned on - which I managed to get from the article :)

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    2. Re:Works for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you don't like it you can either scream like an infant or you can switch it off.

      Yeah, but you can't necessarily persuade your mum to switch it off. Which is the issue for the people bleating about it.

    3. Re:Works for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, you can claim that the liberals are crying "Censorship!" and "Oppression!" without warrent right now because they can indeed turn the filter off. But the problem lies in the fact that the filter exists in the first place. Any filter that is optional now, can, with the backdoor nod of an elected official, become mandatory over night.

      Let's not forget either that these filters have not be democratically put in place. There was no vote in parliament *at all*, and instead was simply done on the advisory of David Cameron. If optional filtering can be put in place without a vote, so too can mandatory filtering.

      There in lies the crux of the issue for us liberals.

    4. Re:Works for me by julian67 · · Score: 1

      "Any filter that is optional now, can, with the backdoor nod of an elected official, become mandatory over night."

      That's complete nonsense and mere assertion. It is also demonstrably untrue. The ISPs have agreed to implement optional family filters and to enable them by default on new accounts (existing accounts are not modified). This has been done at the urging of an elected government, not "with a backdoor nod". The ISPs are not obliged to do this but the government (an elected government made up of two parties in coalition in a parliamentary democracy) has said that if they don't do so then it will aim to introduce legislation. It *cannot* be made mandatory without legislation.

      The Conservative party would like the filters to be on by default by law (mandatory) while their coalition partners the Liberal Democrat party disagrees, which is why it hasn't happened and probably never will unless either Labour or Conservatives gain an absolute majority at the next election (if any party has a history of state interference in absolutely every facet of life it is the Labour party).

      Even if the Conservatives had got their way and the filtering was legislated it would not change the fact that the account holder can switch it off or on at will.

      Your "crux of the issue" simply doesn't exist.

    5. Re:Works for me by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ignore me. Turns out the blocking only occurs if you have the under-18 filter turned on - which I managed to get from the article :)

      True, but it is the default for all new internet connections. Many people just leave things at the default, and may not even know that you can have it disabled.

    6. Re:Works for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the problem lies in the fact that the filter exists in the first place.

      So let me get this straight: because you don't want filtered internet - whether that's because you don't have children, because you supervise all your children's internet use, or because you don't care what your children do on-line doesn't matter - making the filter available to people who do want it infringes your rights? That's a pretty bizarre claim. I don't much care for Dr Pepper myself, but I somehow get through my life without buying it and my right to drink Coke instead appears, on the surface at least, to be intact. The existence of Dr Pepper allows for the theoretical possibility of its being made mandatory to the exact same extent that the existence of parental controls allows for their being made mandatory.

      Let's not forget either that these filters have not be democratically put in place. There was no vote in parliament *at all*

      I realise /. has trained you to believe that the UK is a Stalinist command economy, but private enterprises are not, in fact, required to sumbit every new product and service they offer for parliamentary approval. British Sky Broadcasting plc are entirely within their rights to offer customerr this option on their own authority.

      If optional filtering can be put in place without a vote, so too can mandatory filtering.

      Yes, Sky can cease to offer unfiltered internet without a vote. They're a private company and it's up to them. I'm not a shareholder in Sky, but for whatever it's worth I think that would be a bad business decision.

    7. Re:Works for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does not silently default to on for new contracts. People taking out new contracts are required to explicitly choose whether to have it on or off.

    8. Re:Works for me by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      It does not silently default to on for new contracts. People taking out new contracts are required to explicitly choose whether to have it on or off.

      Its a bit ambiguous. According to this article:

      At present only new customers will be given an “enforced” option to keep or disable the service, which will come pre-selected (enabled) unless you specifically choose otherwise during the sign-up process.

    9. Re:Works for me by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Bloody interfering Labour party and its NHS and welfare state.

    10. Re:Works for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So let me get this straight: because you don't want filtered internet [...] making the filter available to people who do want it infringes your rights?

      That's not what I'm saying at all. To use your Doctor Pepper as an example... Sure, you don't like Doctor Pepper right now, and hell, it's OK for other people to use it, but what if one day you were told you weren't allowed to drink anything except Doctor Pepper from now on? There's no chance this will happen, that's absolutely absured because no good could come of it, but if you replace Doctor Pepper with Internet Filters, then fighting against it is something we should be doing.

      Parents should be supervising children's internet use, as much as they supervise their offspring's dietry habits. It should not be down to government pressuring Doctor Pepper sales outlets to not ever serve it to children!

    11. Re:Works for me by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      The government wants everyone to be asked if they want the filter on or off. Otherwise they can't build an accurate database of known perverts.

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    12. Re:Works for me by advocate_one · · Score: 1

      Yes, you can claim that the liberals are crying "Censorship!" and "Oppression!" without warrent right now because they can indeed turn the filter off.

      more worrying for me is even if they claim the filter is off, how can you be sure it really is off and is not blocking stuff they don't want you to read like foreign news stories on scandals involving your politicians?

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    13. Re:Works for me by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Or are afraid to ask, since they assume it also lets in all the 'bad stuff'.

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    14. Re:Works for me by Roger+Lindsjo · · Score: 1

      The ISPs are not obliged to do this but the government (an elected government made up of two parties in coalition in a parliamentary democracy) has said that if they don't do so then it will aim to introduce legislation. It *cannot* be made mandatory without legislation.

      So basically "Do it now by free will or we'll force you".

    15. Re:Works for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That article's not even referring to the same ISP. This is Sky, that article's about BT.

    16. Re:Works for me by julian67 · · Score: 1

      The nature of government is that it has the power and authority to make laws. Sometimes it proscribes activities and sometimes it mandates them. If this is something that you find unsatisfactory or suprising then you are either a moron or a very fundamentalist kind of anarchist or libertarian.

      We live in a democracy, and the authority of the government and the sovereignty of parliament are hardly illegitimate. Democracy doesn't mean "I personally can do whatever I damn well like", it means we choose people to perform a role which combines, amongst other things, representing their constituents and also using their own judgement and following their conscience, and sometimes just doing what has to be done even if it won't win a popularity contest amongst the guardianistas and twitterati. The point about a democratic system is that we get to collectively choose our lawmakers, and ultimately to dismiss them if we are dissatisfied. We'll be having an election in May 2015, at which point you can express your support or otherwise via the ballot box. In the meantime you can lobby your MP, your local parties and so on, and make your views known directly.

    17. Re:Works for me by JamieIanMacgregor · · Score: 1

      so move out and pay for your own internets

  3. One answer by BeerCat · · Score: 1

    Since the requirement was pushed for by politicians (the "won't someone think of the children" view), then the websites of all political parties should be blocked under the same filters until they realise that automated blacklist/whitelist filtering will never work 100% of the way it is expected.

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    1. Re:One answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The politicians would probably not care. (In the UK) You have to be 18 to vote, so the parties would not care about the under 18s getting access to their web pages.

    2. Re:One answer by andrewbaldwin · · Score: 1

      The politicians would probably not care.

      Voter apathy is at an all time high in the UK. This can be read in many ways ('they are all the same', 'a pox on both your houses', 'they only care about getting re-elected and their cronies - not about us'...) but the net result of a lack of political party output would probably be welcomed by all sides:

      1. for the people at large, it's a pause from hearing someone spouting forth about how they'll promise a wonderful future [right up until 24 hours after the results are declared when promises spontaneously evaporate]
      2. for the politicians, less kept on public accessible records the better - they can then bury history and past broken promises [as the Tories did in taking their past web history off-line recently] - al less well informed populace is easier to bamboozle and less likely to think critically
      3. for the news media [who are pushing for this -- those most vocal are also those who delight in publishing the very stuff they'd like to see banned] it's less competition for eyeballs

      If this seems cynical - it probably is: there is precious little to choose between the parties nowadays. After the expenses scandal (thankfully we don't have quite the scale of campaign contribution corruption over here [yet]) politicians in general are not highly regarded by many and a period of quiet while some other group gets bad publicity would be welcomed by them -- is this the hidden agenda behind this? ;-)

    3. Re:One answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just one point of order, nowadays politicians have given up promising us a wonderful future. No, they find it much more effective to promise to deliver us from imaginary terrors of their own invention.

    4. Re:One answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have it backwards.

      All _outgoing_ connections from MPs computers should be blocked until they realise that this game of whack-a-mole is futile.

  4. Hooray! now block Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Free thinking anarchists don't deserve to read news because they're not obedient enough.

  5. America, F*** YEAH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Sometimes I look around at the backwards American hick town I live in and wish it were more like ultra-progressive Europe.

    And sometimes I don't.

    1. Re:America, F*** YEAH by Luckyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not Europe. It's UK. The country that likes to take the worst of the US, the worst of the EU, mix them together and implement.

    2. Re:America, F*** YEAH by gweihir · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You do realize, the UK is far more like the US than like Europe, right?

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    3. Re:America, F*** YEAH by Xest · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And then blame Europe for it when the public complain.

      It's Europe's fault prisoners may have to be given the vote!

      No it's not, it's our fault for deciding that human rights might be something worth actually giving a damn about and recognising that denying prisoners the vote and then imprisoning political opposition is a common tactic for seizing power that we may wish to avoid in our country. All Europe has done is confirm to us what we've said we agreed with previously. It's not their fault we can't get our message straight, that we legislate one way and then bitch, moan, and complain that we want it another.

    4. Re:America, F*** YEAH by pr100 · · Score: 1

      Of course the UK is part of the EU...

    5. Re:America, F*** YEAH by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      It's not Europe. It's UK.

      UK is part of Europe (and EU).

    6. Re:America, F*** YEAH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is simply not true at all.

    7. Re:America, F*** YEAH by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you might want to visit the US and Europe. Churchill may have said "divided by a common language" but there is more to it than that.

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    8. Re:America, F*** YEAH by jalopezp · · Score: 1

      For now...

    9. Re:America, F*** YEAH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps you might consider that the parent was talking about current politics. The UK is almost a carbon copy of the US in that respect, and nothing like most other European countries in choice of voting systems (IIRC only France and Hungary have bipartisan systems), in general foreign politics (i.e. displaying a clear preference for acquiring and retaining national superiority in any field at the expense of international operation), as in the attitude towards their citizens (i.e. spy and censor the hell out of them as long as you can get away with it).

      Comparing European politics during WW2 to today's situation never works, as WW2 was the single most influential changing event in the history of modern European politics (more so than the forming of the European Union, which was a direct result of WW2 and the reconciliation afterwards).

    10. Re:America, F*** YEAH by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Perhaps I have visited the US, the UK and am a European citizen? Perhaps I have some idea what I am talking about?

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    11. Re:America, F*** YEAH by gweihir · · Score: 1

      That is simply not true at all, either. But you are an AC, I post with ID, so you have zero credibility anyways.

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    12. Re:America, F*** YEAH by jimbo · · Score: 1

              Sir Humphrey: Minister, Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least the last five hundred years: to create a disunited Europe. In that cause we have fought with the Dutch against the Spanish, with the Germans against the French, with the French and Italians against the Germans, and with the French against the Germans and Italians. Divide and rule, you see. Why should we change now, when it's worked so well?
              Hacker: That's all ancient history, surely?
              Sir Humphrey: Yes, and current policy. We 'had' to break the whole thing [the EEC] up, so we had to get inside. We tried to break it up from the outside, but that wouldn't work. Now that we're inside we can make a complete pig's breakfast of the whole thing: set the Germans against the French, the French against the Italians, the Italians against the Dutch. The Foreign Office is terribly pleased; it's just like old times.
              Hacker: But surely we're all committed to the European ideal?
              Sir Humphrey: [chuckles] Really, Minister.
              Hacker: If not, why are we pushing for an increase in the membership?
              Sir Humphrey: Well, for the same reason. It's just like the United Nations, in fact; the more members it has, the more arguments it can stir up, the more futile and impotent it becomes.
              Hacker: What appalling cynicism.
              Sir Humphrey: Yes... We call it diplomacy, Minister.

  6. Re:Hooray! now block Slashdot by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    Free thinking anarchists don't deserve to read news because they're not obedient enough.

    If they were you wouldn't need a block, you could just tell them not to read it.

  7. What Freedom of Speech or Press? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AFAIK the UK does not protect speech or press as we do in the US. There are no laws to that effect in the UK, right?

    captcha: "acquit"

    1. Re:What Freedom of Speech or Press? by mlk · · Score: 1

      Up to 1998 freedom of expression was protected under common law rather than a single document. In 1998 the UK passed the Human Rights Act which covers freedom of expression. Like the US this is not absolute, and I believe in the case of libel even sticker than the US.

      The UK does not have a separate "freedom of press" as it is covered by the freedom of expression. Anyone can start up a new news paper and express themselves.

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    2. Re:What Freedom of Speech or Press? by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      AFAIK they do have them. They even had extremist imams advocating the destruction of western society and for a while just let them continue unopposed. I don't remember how they finally managed to get them to stop (if they did), but it was quite a scandal.

      The US officially has freedom of speech, until they decide not to let you fly on airplanes anymore. And if you say anything that's unacceptable to some fraction of the population, you lose your job. Unfortunately Europe is heading the same way, though.

    3. Re:What Freedom of Speech or Press? by jalopezp · · Score: 1

      Haven't managed to get them to stop. Much as they would like to stop them, the law (rightly) prevents them.

  8. I'd take this with a pinch of salt by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    The NewStatesman is a well known left wing magazine and it'll take any opportunity to take pot shots at the Cameron government. Now I don't agree with the porn filter at all, but the assertion that its *currently* being used to block people off from a large part of the net is frankly b0ll0cks.

    However, what the filter may be used for in the future is another matter. Once power is available to politicians they will inevitably use it.

    1. Re:I'd take this with a pinch of salt by horza · · Score: 1

      Well it has some facts quite easy to check. For instance is Childline really being blocked? The Cameron-filter was touted as stopping children "accidentally" coming across images of hardcore pornography. In which case why are "Web blocking circumvention tools" censored? There is too much of a discrepency between what Mr Cameron described to us why it was needed and what it actually does. Either Mr Cameron lied or the ISPs have radically over-reached in the level of national censorship. Some investigative journalism should dig it out, though the only paper brave enough to print the truth these days is the Guardian and you would consider than a well known left wing newspaper.

      Phillip.

    2. Re:I'd take this with a pinch of salt by Viol8 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "though the only paper brave enough to print the truth these days is the Guardian"

      For various definitions of the word "truth". I wouldn't trust the Guardian any more than any other newspaper with this sort of story - they all have an agenda.

    3. Re:I'd take this with a pinch of salt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The NewStatesman is a well known left wing magazine

      The Socialist Worker is a well known left wing magazine. The New Statesman is "left wing" in the same way CNN is "liberal media" to Fox News stalwarts.

      and it'll take any opportunity to take pot shots at the Cameron government.

      As long as they're accurate, so what? It is a journalist's job to take "any opportunity" to legitimately attack power structures, whether business or government.

      but the assertion that its *currently* being used to block people off from a large part of the net is frankly b0ll0cks.

      Considering the popularity of porn and torrents, the assertion is frankly true.

      Once power is available to anyone they will inevitably use it.

      FTFY.

      Your post reads like an archetype for how someone comes into an argument with bias. Without your permission, I may use it for discussions of logic and critical thinking.

    4. Re:I'd take this with a pinch of salt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "As long as they're accurate, so what"

      Except they're not. Just a minor point but a crucial one.

      "comes into an argument with bias"

      Complete unlike yourself apparently assuming the article is 100% true.

      "Without your permission, I may use it for discussions of logic and critical thinking."

      I doubt you'd recognise critical thinking if Bertrand Russell, Wittgenstein and Descartes turned
      up in your front room and started a debate.

    5. Re:I'd take this with a pinch of salt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except they're not. Just a minor point but a crucial one.

      That's not argument - that's just contradiction, etc.

      I doubt you'd recognise critical thinking if Bertrand Russell...

      Starter for 10: which reformist socialist society founded in late C19 links Russell and the New Statesman?

      Not that it's been remotely socialist since admitting Blair's ramblings in the '90s. Nor the NS. But anything further left than the Hate is Trotskyite, I hear - a paper which still supports the Blackshirts, because, well, it did in the '30s.

    6. Re:I'd take this with a pinch of salt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      "though the only paper brave enough to print the truth these days is Andrex"

      Fixed that for you!

    7. Re:I'd take this with a pinch of salt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You wouldn't trust it more than the Daily Mail?

      Oh, sorry, you said "newspaper". As you were...

    8. Re:I'd take this with a pinch of salt by Jahta · · Score: 4, Informative

      Either Mr Cameron lied or the ISPs have radically over-reached in the level of national censorship.

      Have a read of this article - David Cameron's internet porn filter is the start of censorship creep - and make your own mind up. For example this quote:

      "The category of 'obscene content', for instance, which is blocked even on the lowest setting of BT's opt-in filtering system, covers "sites with information about illegal manipulation of electronic devices [and] distribution of software" – in other words, filesharing and music downloads, debate over which has been going on in parliament for years. It looks as if that debate has just been bypassed entirely, by way of scare stories about five-year-olds and fisting videos. Whatever your opinion on downloading music and cartoons for free, doing so is neither obscene nor pornographic."

    9. Re:I'd take this with a pinch of salt by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      Interestingly "Stephen Ward - the Musical" has just opened in the West End.

      Personally, I can't wait for a musical version of the Lady Chatterly's Lover trial - perhaps featuring the cast of Mama MIa? (Cast of Umoja might be more fun!)

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    10. Re:I'd take this with a pinch of salt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There is a lot of confusion about this topic, mainly because of bad reporting and secrecy on behalf of ISPs.

      There are essentially 2 levels of filtering. There is government mandated filtering, which all major ISPs must block on all connections: this was intended to be used only for sites distributing material pertaining to child abuse/pornography. However, it is also widely used to block sites containing or linking to copyright infringing material.

      There is a 2nd level of filtering, which ISPs providing services direct to consumers are mandated to provide (B2B providers don't have to provide such filtering, so there are ways of avoiding it, by buying going to an ISP which specialises in business connections), which is user controllable to block pornography and other material unsuitable for children. The expectation is that ISPs would switch this on by default, and the subscriber would need to opt-out of the block, once they have proved their age.

      The implementation of the 2nd level filter is widely variable. In general, however, the filter is bought as a managed service from a security systems vendor, rather than being managed by the ISP itself. In the case of O2, their filter is actually a whitelist, rather than a blocklist. Only sites which have been proven to be happy-clappy, fluffy-bunny type content only get on. Childline, the samartians, etc. are well known examples of sites that are not on the whitelist. Other providers offer various levels of granularity and category filtering (e.g. ability to block porn, but not forums; or ability to block forums, porn, etc.)

  9. Thin end of the wedge by PsyMan · · Score: 0

    It was always a blatent "think of the children" method of establishing a national censorship system, now its in place it will of course be abused. First it was piracy blocking, then pr0n, then whatever they want to block from the vast majority of people who can't (or are afraid to) opt out of it.

  10. They will claim it's a mistake by bugnuts · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I claim, preemptively, that such claims are bullshit. The censorship is intentional, and will get reversed, but it will be cited as a mistake. Mark my words.

    Smaller sites that are just as innocent will get blocked, but won't get unblocked because not enough people will complain. This causes real damage. It costs site owners real money.

  11. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The UK protects free speech just as you do in the US. That is to say, not at all.

  12. Begins by Smiddi · · Score: 2

    And so it begins....

  13. The rebirth of Queen's Victoria era... by jasax · · Score: 1

    Let's also cover tables' legs with curtains, again, because they are utterly indecent... :-)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_morality

  14. What about "web forums" is bad for pre-18yo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The filter is marketed as a porn filter.

    TorrentFreak isn't porn.

    Therefore AT THE VERY LEAST this is fraud.

    What if you want to block porn but not conversations about copyrights to your kids? This filter doesn't do it, but SAYS it does. So if you're informed, you can't use it, therefore it's worthless, and if you're not informed, you'd use it and it's damaging.

    1. Re:What about "web forums" is bad for pre-18yo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Therefore AT THE VERY LEAST this is fraud."

      No it isn't. Misrepresentation, yes. Misadvertising, definitely. Grounds for caution and alarm, particularly given the increasing rush to the right of the Tories? Of course.

      Fraud? That's a statement born of laughable ignorance.

  15. STOP calling it a "porn" fllter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its a plain Big Firewall of UK, simple as that. It blocks free speech.

  16. Working as designed by Dunbal · · Score: 2

    So the UK is slowly removing itself from the Internet by censoring itself. No loss. And "OMG it has the word torrent in it, it must be evil!".

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    Seven puppies were harmed during the making of this post.
    1. Re:Working as designed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no real internet now anyway, everybody gets their very own personal pricing from online stores, their very own personal search results from search engines.

      What YOU see, is not necessiararly what I see.

  17. myfreecams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As long as they don't block my access to myfreecams, I couldn't care less.

  18. Stupid ISPs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What they should really be doing is to charge the websites who want to be kept off from blacklist. The charge could even go both ways! Customers would only have unrestricted Internet access by paying double! (or categorize them by several levels ;))

  19. Wait... by tom229 · · Score: 1

    This ISP is actually called "sky"? Do they not have the movie terminator in the UK? The irony...

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    If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
    1. Re:Wait... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sky TV as in Rupert Murdoch as in FOX. etc.

  20. It isn't filtering what it says it will by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The filter is marketed as a porn filter.

    It isn't.

    THAT is why it's bad.

  21. Camoroon! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We can't have open discussion about controversial subjects, can we can we?

  22. what torrent freak dont say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    is the sickos that actually post there a few that is..you know whom you are were all for the freedom of speech that includes a PRQ website that advocated child molestation.

    the fact is thats sick, and prolly a good thing as while i can support file sharing i can't support those types a people that use it to do sick shit.

    1. Re:what torrent freak dont say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the fuck are you talking about?

  23. Yeah, that's civilised... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "You ain't listenin???" BANG BANG BANG!

    PS how well will your guns work against an MBT? Or an Apache Heli.

    1. Re:Yeah, that's civilised... by dpidcoe · · Score: 1

      How hard is it for a government to cover up a helicopter attack on its own citizens vs covering up the thug squad making examples of a few people?

    2. Re: Yeah, that's civilised... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Terrorists you mean.

  24. Where are all the Euro/UK lovers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where are all the comments about how much better Europe/UK is than the USA? I find it hilarious that today, in 2014, we are talking about the exact same stuff that caused the colonists to break away from the UK and form the USA.

    The next time all the Euro-lovers circle jerk each other about how "backwards" the US is and how "forward thinking" Europe and the UK is......remember this example. There are many more just like it.

  25. Same olde stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its the same olde stuffy stink-hole censorship coming from that island that our forefathers coming to America swore to rid our new country of. They have no moral highground to censor anyone or anything. In fact, neither does anyone anywhere on this planet.