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Fedora 21 Linux Will Be Nameless
darthcamaro writes "What follows in the footsteps of Heisenbug, Spherical Cow and Beefy Miracle? Apparently the answer is 'null' as is nothing. Fedora Linux 21 could well have no funky new name as its past predecessors have all had, thanks to a recent vote by the Fedora board to move away from the existing naming practices. Fedora 21 itself will not be out in the first half of 2014 either, instead the plan is now for a release sometime around August. A delayed release however doesn't mean something is wrong as Red Hat's community Linux distro aims to re-invent itself."
The use of both naming and version numbers to differentiate distribution versions makes searching for bug workarounds harder.
...but it only works for a spherical cow in a vacuum, uniformly radiating milk in all directions.
Let's see who doesn't filter this character, so it may break some systems.
Fedora 21 (Black Jack)
I'm calling it that, and I dont care if Fedora leaves it nameless.
I used to not care for naming releases. Just give me version numbers. However, I've changed my mind. Now I find it more fruitful to search for issues with a particular version by name rather than by number.
Nah, only some total marketing d------s would name it something like that.
I gave up on Fedora after 14. It is too much of a bleeding edge perpetual beta and moving target. Please make it a one year new feature release with a 6 month stabilization release. I realize RHEL is the production distribution, and the derivative CentOS 6.x is my favorite distribution by far. A testing distribution like Fedora won't get as wide of testing if it is as unstable as it was when I gave up.
The distro that doesn't need YOU to tell it how to rock.
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Just asking.
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would only do this! Their secret name version mapping is ridiculous. There's nothing on the main page that maps the names to the versions, and people that ask for help with it on the mailing lists are treated horrifically.
When searching for information relavent to a release, say Debian 7, putting 'debian 7' into Google is useless, since Google can't infer the meaning of a number 7 in a document. Searching for 'debian wheezy', however, is far more specific, since 'wheezy' isn't used where the number 7 might be (for example 'bug with proglet 7 on debian 3' might match pages talking about bugs with proglet running on debian 7 where the error code is 3). If they don't have a codename, at least attach a unique memorable short string to each release so that it can be easily searched for.
John_Chalisque
Except that Google can infer from context that your search is related to Debian 7 and not Debian 6 or Debian 8.
I am becoming gerund, destroyer of verbs.
Thank you Fedora, for dropping the stupid names already. Code name my distro Humping Hippo for all I care, but don't put it into the final product. I shouldn't have to search the Internet every time I need to translate between release number and codename. Sure, I can run 'lsb_release -r' or whatever command on my own system, but what about every other system out there? Ubuntu, your move...
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though putting "debian 7" (including the quotes) gets much better answers ;-)
After that sham contest that ended with naming f17 Beefy Miracle I couldn't care less what they name it.
Insiders who put the fix in to get what they wanted?
Yeah, that's Open, and in the spirit of the community. What a farce.
Hypocrites!
yeah, because when I search how to [insert task here] on windows 8 i get tons of results that apply only to vista and 98
They "reinvent" themselves every few years... basically whenever they start attracting too many users.
The people that bring us all those monstrosities like systemd and pol(icy)?kit have shown their true colors. This is the distribution that is so evil that we must never utter its true name.
Just make the name some useless symbol like Prince did. Or make it something that no magazine will print.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Is anybody here familiar with the devs? I'd like to know what's going on. Delaying a release, couldn't bother choosing a name... seems a bad omen.
I'd hate it if Fedora were to die. It is the only viable alternative to Ubuntu.
One of the things in the Linux Standard Base is codename. What will "lsb_release" -c return?
You do realize that the font you're using makes your text almost unreadable?
so i guess we have to call it The Release Formerly Known As Fedora 21.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
It will simply be the distro with no name
I stole this Sig
Can't you see his low UID?! He's submitting his comments via telegraph, you insensitive clod!
Ladies and gentlemen... there is actually a human being on this planet who composed this post in his head, typed it on his keyboard, and thought that sharing it with the world was a good idea. Let that rattle around in your heads for a while. I present to you Desperation.
We've seen the pendulum swing one way (Windows 3.1, 95, 98, 2000) and then back the other way (Millenium XP Vista)
My guess is your best bet is to fire all the marketing people
Something tells me this is an elaborate troll by RedHat, reminding everyone the hard way to null-check their inputs.
Is it really going to be just Fedora 21?
I sort of like the name Null Nadda!
I like cute animal names like Ubuntu. I suggest Micturating Monkey.
Cheerful Charlie
RedHat admits that it cannot come up with dumber names than Canonical.
"I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
After the demonstrable trade-off of "oooh, shiny!" features versus anything resembling traceability, supportability, or compatiblity demonstrated by:
1) NetworkManager /bin with a symlink to /usr/bin
2) SeLinux
3) udev
4) Gnome3
5) systemd
6) the new installer
7) Replacing
8) Putting punctation in the operating system name
I hope the Fedora team has learned an invaluable lesson: leave the shiny stuff *optional*, not default and embedded in random cruft all over your enviornment
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So
17 Beefy Miracle
18 Spherical Cow
19 Schroedinger's Cat
20 Heisenbug
21 Nameless
Is that you? ;)
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When you have a dozen releases of OS within a decade, no one is going to remember the individual names anyways.
I still have a bootloader menu entry for Fedora 19 called "Schr?dinger?s cat" since nobody bothered to check if it could cope with umlauts or apostrophes. I wonder if Fedora 21 will feature a blank menu entry.
It's just a wrap-up of Linux, a cover. Distros themselves are nothing but integration of existing softwares on Linux - softwares made by others and have nothing to do with Red Hat. It cannot invent anything except the package management system, unless they want to learn Ubuntu and adopt some weird and unusable UI - even such is only the desktop but have zero influence on what productive apps people use everyday.
The whole business of commercial distro is a joke, if not worse.
Ubuntu and others should do that, too.
I don't know how often i had to look on wikipedia to translate the utterly useless name to a version number and vice versa.
I don't know about you, but I really don't like the redesigned Fedora installer (Anaconda) that's turned up in recent Fedora releases. It's quite SHOUTY (yes, headings in full capitals and bold too!) and the disk partitioning section is frankly awful (very non-obvious, mixed units and it took me ages to work out how to create a partition that used all the remaining space - answer: put a huge value for the size and it'll round it down to what's left).
Fedora with the MATE desktop isn't too bad, but sadly that's the not the desktop that's the default selection. I also seem to remember a couple of releases (18 and 19 I think) that were incredibly show to both show the login screen and the post-login desktop in VirtualBox (20-25 secs for each on an i7 machine with a couple of CPU cores allocated!), though it looks like Fedora 20 fixed this. Many people will install Fedora in a VM first (particularly if they're Windows users) and if it performs poorly there, it won't get installed on the bare metal.
I basically gave up on bare metal Fedora from 15 onwards - no coincidence that the frankly dreadful GNOME 3 came out at the same time. Once I saw how bad it was in a VM, my preferred OS became CentOS 6, whose combo of GNOME 2, GRUB 1 and SysVInit scripts (all of which are much easier to use than their "better" successors) remains probably the peak combo we've seen to date in a mainstream Linux distro.
I, for one, welcome our unnamed overlords.
Call it fedora core 21!
lose != loose
They obviously did name it: cat /dev/null
at least in the U.S.
alternately: Fedora 21 (Bender)
The third hit when I searched for Debian 8 was this:
Debian -- News -- Updated Debian 6.0: 6.0.8 released
Kind of validates the GP's comment...
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I like what Stewart Copeland wrote on his drums to send a message to Sting, myself. I think of something like that every time Fedora crashes, regresses an old bug that should have been fixed years ago, or gratuitously changes something for no reason.
gosgog:
Is it Canonical that comes up with the 'dumb names' ? I don't think so, I think its the developing coder, for each. The best one, I just love it, go check out 'beef' - its called brainfuck!!
And the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th results.
I noticed that too... Right after I hit submit on my post! :-)
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