Fedora 21 Linux Will Be Nameless

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Fedora 21 Linux Will Be Nameless

Posted by samzenpus on Monday January 13, 2014 @11:01AM from the john-doe dept.

darthcamaro writes "What follows in the footsteps of Heisenbug, Spherical Cow and Beefy Miracle? Apparently the answer is 'null' as is nothing. Fedora Linux 21 could well have no funky new name as its past predecessors have all had, thanks to a recent vote by the Fedora board to move away from the existing naming practices. Fedora 21 itself will not be out in the first half of 2014 either, instead the plan is now for a release sometime around August. A delayed release however doesn't mean something is wrong as Red Hat's community Linux distro aims to re-invent itself."

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Good! by inflamed · 2014-01-13 11:08 · Score: 4, Insightful

The use of both naming and version numbers to differentiate distribution versions makes searching for bug workarounds harder.
1. Re:Good! by Anonymous Coward · 2014-01-13 11:25 · Score: 2, Funny
  
  Now I don't have to see ASCII garbage in my bootloader because they use Unicode for Schrodinger's umlaut.
2. Re:Good! by sconeu · 2014-01-13 12:13 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  Is Schroedinger's Umlaut there or not there until you look at /etc/issue?
  
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3. Re:Good! by EkriirkE · 2014-01-13 12:51 · Score: 1
  
  I see a jumble of improperly decoded UTF-8 in grub2 despite defining that as my charset
  
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4. Re:Good! by Anonymous Coward · 2014-01-13 14:10 · Score: 2, Insightful
  
  Then you should use names. Google is terrible at finding something by version number. For some reason it often seems to think any number is a sufficient hit.
5. Re:Good! by vlueboy · 2014-01-13 17:46 · Score: 2
  
  Then you should use names. Google is terrible at finding something by version number. For some reason it often seems to think any number is a sufficient hit.
  Agreed. This is a problem with firefox version searches too. I preferred version numbers back 6 years ago when google didn't ignore your search queries and quotes.
  Up until recently, if you looked for something like firefox 28 and get something like 3.5.28. What on earth? It seems to be better, as I can't replicate. Yahoo is still affected
6. Re:Good! by bill_mcgonigle · 2014-01-14 05:51 · Score: 1
  
  I see a jumble of improperly decoded UTF-8 in grub2 despite defining that as my charset
  Yep, and I bet this was the real impetus for scratching the names - one had become embarrassing. That's not to say that there might not be good reasons for it, but really nobody ever uses the names when filing bug reports, discussing on lists, etc., and that grub2 blunder stares you in the face on every reboot.
  
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7. Re:Good! by allo · 2014-01-14 06:42 · Score: 1
  
  It was part of their goal. To fix all the issues, which chars like ö (and the ' in the name) are causing. Most languages are more complex than ascii. The german language with its 4 Umlauts is easy, think of chinese ... The important base programs and libraries need to be utf-8 safe.
8. Re:Good! by bill_mcgonigle · 2014-01-14 06:58 · Score: 1
  
  The important base programs and libraries need to be utf-8 safe.
  So true! I remember the pain when we went through with this in the perl community, but - really now - that was 1999. Once it's done, it's done.
  Fifteen years later, it's "past-due" in the free OS base.
  
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9. Re:Good! by allo · 2014-01-14 10:19 · Score: 1
  
  Okay, ' is really evil, they could have used ’ (UTF-8 Apostrophe, some fonts can even display it nicer than the tick mark). But on the other hand, ' is even ASCII ... And then try to add some whitespace to filenames in /etc ;).
10. Re:Good! by TheSunborn · 2014-01-18 01:29 · Score: 1
  
  So search for "Firefox 28" instead.
  The problem with using names is that you then have to map them back to numbers to use. If this feature is included in Firefox ugly cat, and later, does it work in firefox 24?
Spherical Cow by mythosaz · 2014-01-13 11:09 · Score: 1, Funny

...but it only works for a spherical cow in a vacuum, uniformly radiating milk in all directions.
I'd suggest naming it as '\0' by tomer · 2014-01-13 11:09 · Score: 2

Let's see who doesn't filter this character, so it may break some systems.
1. Re:I'd suggest naming it as '\0' by The+MAZZTer · 2014-01-13 11:11 · Score: 2
  
  Why not SQL injection?
2. Re:I'd suggest naming it as '\0' by goombah99 · 2014-01-13 11:49 · Score: 2
  
  I would suggest "chrome dome" as in the absence of a Fedora.
  
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3. Re:I'd suggest naming it as '\0' by tomer · 2014-01-13 12:01 · Score: 1
  
  Because we should keep the SQL injection for the next release, and XSS to the one after.
Obvious by tempest69 · 2014-01-13 11:10 · Score: 5, Funny

Fedora 21 (Black Jack)
I'm calling it that, and I dont care if Fedora leaves it nameless.
1. Re:Obvious by marcello_dl · 2014-01-13 11:53 · Score: 2
  
  Fedora 21 (Black Jack)
  I'm calling it that, and I dont care if Fedora leaves it nameless.
  Don't hold back, make your own distro.
  With blackjack and hookers.
  
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2. Re:Obvious by Aighearach · 2014-01-13 13:39 · Score: 1
  
  with a Beowulf cluster of hookers!
3. Re:Obvious by girlintraining · 2014-01-13 15:51 · Score: 1
  
  I'm calling it that, and I dont care if Fedora leaves it nameless.
  A company that gives up naming its products is like a parent who gives up naming their children...
  
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4. Re:Obvious by Megane · 2014-01-13 16:43 · Score: 1
  
  Fedora 21: Old Enough to Drink!
  
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Naming releases by similar_name · 2014-01-13 11:10 · Score: 3, Insightful

I used to not care for naming releases. Just give me version numbers. However, I've changed my mind. Now I find it more fruitful to search for issues with a particular version by name rather than by number.
1. Re:Naming releases by Anonymous Coward · 2014-01-13 11:23 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  However, I've changed my mind. Now I find it more fruitful to search for issues with a particular version by name rather than by number
  Yes, but what do you do if you need to figure out the software requirements?
  Quick, does "at least mountain lion" include "leopard"? How about "at least Cheetah version, but no later than Crouching Striped Tiger"?
2. Re:Naming releases by Gravis+Zero · 2014-01-13 12:25 · Score: 2
  
  However, I've changed my mind. Now I find it more fruitful to search for issues with a particular version by name rather than by number
  Yes, but what do you do if you need to figure out the software requirements?
  Quick, does "at least mountain lion" include "leopard"? How about "at least Cheetah version, but no later than Crouching Striped Tiger"?
  Crouching Striped Tiger? What about the Hidden Polka Dot Dragon?
  
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3. Re:Naming releases by armanox · 2014-01-13 12:26 · Score: 2
  
  Which is why having both are useful.
  
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4. Re:Naming releases by similar_name · 2014-01-13 12:52 · Score: 1
  
  I didn't mean to imply that I wanted names to the exclusion of numbers. I still like version numbers. Although names like Gingerbread, Honeycomb, Ice Cream and Jelly Bean aren't hard to figure out. Silly names aside, some of the others follow a similar convention.
5. Re:Naming releases by vlueboy · 2014-01-13 17:58 · Score: 1
  
  Number searches have gotten crappy, like I said in my other comment.
  Name searches are meant to be newbie-friendly. Random non-geek trying out Ubuntu X doesn't know how to pull up the version number, but can memorize the funny name and find forum support on google
  For those of us who are affixed to Linux year after year the names can become a pain if we've skipped a few versions. And seeing how much hoarding we do with machines we've re-purposed, keeping track of it all is a pain.
  It's still horrible for Android troubleshooting, because only geeks know the names, or the version numbers. It's kind of a black box. I like that iOS is fond of a number that reliably goes up yearly, but that's about all.
6. Re:Naming releases by gfxguy · 2014-01-14 00:53 · Score: 1
  
  Then people should use BOTH when they are referring to a version, like software 8.3, sugar coated jelly kumquat, because I'm an old man - I can't remember if sugar coated jelly kumquat came before or after waffles with maple syrup, and when someone tells me they have ice cream sandwich I have NO idea what version of android they are talking about (although at least I know it's android)... all I know is I have android 4.1 on my phone. And it makes no sense to me to say "you need at least version donuts with sprinkles."
  
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7. Re:Naming releases by WizardFusion · 2014-01-14 04:07 · Score: 1
  
  This is the funniest post I have seen in a very long time +1 FUNNY
Longer cycles and tick/tock please by Sponge+Bath · 2014-01-13 11:30 · Score: 4, Informative

I gave up on Fedora after 14. It is too much of a bleeding edge perpetual beta and moving target. Please make it a one year new feature release with a 6 month stabilization release. I realize RHEL is the production distribution, and the derivative CentOS 6.x is my favorite distribution by far. A testing distribution like Fedora won't get as wide of testing if it is as unstable as it was when I gave up.
1. Re:Longer cycles and tick/tock please by TuxThePenguin2205 · 2014-01-13 11:56 · Score: 2
  
  Fedora 20 is excellent out of the (metaphorical) box. I'm going to move my dad across to it from Mint next time I do an update. (It has become difficult to build a git version of wine since Ubuntu made some upstream changes to multilib)
2. Re:Longer cycles and tick/tock please by pseudofrog · 2014-01-13 12:20 · Score: 1
  
  Half the time I try Fedora, yum introduces something that keeps it from booting. No other distro breaks in such a spectacular way for me.
  
  Hopefully, this new development model with introduce just a bit more stability. With Red Hat behind it, Fedora should be a premier distribution I can recommend to others. In the meantime, I'll stick with recommending Ubuntu, Mint, and openSUSE to those who don't mind doing some repo configuration for non-free stuff.
3. Re:Longer cycles and tick/tock please by Anonymous Coward · 2014-01-13 12:56 · Score: 1
  
  I gave up on Fedora after 14. It is too much of a bleeding edge perpetual beta and moving target. Please make it a one year new feature release with a 6 month stabilization release. I realize RHEL is the production distribution, and the derivative CentOS 6.x is my favorite distribution by far. A testing distribution like Fedora won't get as wide of testing if it is as unstable as it was when I gave up.
  Tell me something when you've used a Fedora release within the last three years. Until then, you're just complaining about ancient history.
  Six releases of Windows ago, things were pretty hard
  Six releases of Macintosh ago, things were pretty hard
  Don't even attempt to tell me that things are pretty hard right now with Fedora, you have self-admitted that you don't know it. I've been using Fedora from RedHat 6.2 through Fedora 1 till today. It's not that hard, and apart from two pretty spectacular messes that were rather easy to mitigate, it's never been too bleeding edge to keep running unless you want to break it.
4. Re:Longer cycles and tick/tock please by Aighearach · 2014-01-13 13:12 · Score: 1
  
  Hell yeah, 6.2 baybay! That was when I jumped over from slackware.
  Still happy. Of course, I'm also still on F16.
  yum had problems at first. It was not an instant success. But it has been years since I've had problems that weren't directly related to 3rd party rpm repos. And it manages my mixed 32/64bit build environments perfectly.
5. Re:Longer cycles and tick/tock please by Aighearach · 2014-01-13 13:47 · Score: 2
  
  I'm still on 16, and I've been using it since it was "RedHat Linux." I'm not convinced it is some sort of "testing" distro. It is actually mostly a developers distro, that also works really well on servers. It has to have newer stuff because developers need a tool chain that can run the latest versions. It also can't be too bleeding edge, because the servers need stable versions. A lot of the stuff on fedora is many versions in the past, for these reasons. Other stuff is nearly in the future. The big changes, like going from SysV init to systemd, were carefully thought out over a period of years, and they finally changed at a time when a lot of distros are changing. Most of the others chose stuff that is new and has serious known problems, but systemd has been around for years and has proven itself both in practice, and in its architecture. Were there bugs in the transition? Yes. Of course.
  You can always choose the version before the current one, and get a polished distro because of the updates.
6. Re:Longer cycles and tick/tock please by dbIII · 2014-01-13 18:44 · Score: 1
  
  It is too much of a bleeding edge perpetual beta and moving target
  That is kind of the point.
7. Re:Longer cycles and tick/tock please by guacamole · 2014-01-13 20:29 · Score: 1
  
  That's why there is Fedora. When I used to be a sysadmin, I run CentOS on all Linux servers and desktops at work while using Fedora on a personal desktop at home. Fedora is a too fast of a moving target for production environments, but it's nice OS for enthusiasts looking for an OS that gets an annual update that includes all the bleeding edge software.
8. Re:Longer cycles and tick/tock please by satch89450 · 2014-01-14 01:57 · Score: 1
  
  I wish I could run CentOS for everything. Unfortunately, for the Desktop CentOS has problem keeping up with the changes in VPN technology, so because in my practice I'm liable to run into anything, I run Fedora 17 on the desktop and Fedora 19 in my laptop. I will be trying either Fedora 20 or 21 in a "beta" computer before making the transition. The news that 21 is going to mark the beginning of longer update cycles, but not as long as Enterprise update cycles, is welcome. Of course, that means my expenses for hard drives will drop...
9. Re:Longer cycles and tick/tock please by WuphonsReach · 2014-01-14 08:11 · Score: 1
  
  You should instead wait and move to CentOS 7 (or Sci Linux 7), which will be based on FC 19 or 20 and will be stable for 4-5 years.
  
  Putting anyone on Fedora who isn't willing to rebuild their box every 1-2 years is a fool's errand.
  
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Jack Black by smittyoneeach · 2014-01-13 11:38 · Score: 1

The distro that doesn't need YOU to tell it how to rock.

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1. Re:Jack Black by Anonymous Coward · 2014-01-13 11:52 · Score: 1
  
  The distro that doesn't need YOU to tell it how to rock.
  Of course not! After all, it will be FREE, free, legal and 21.
Now if Debian... by Anonymous Coward · 2014-01-13 11:48 · Score: 1

would only do this! Their secret name version mapping is ridiculous. There's nothing on the main page that maps the names to the versions, and people that ask for help with it on the mailing lists are treated horrifically.
The problem with only numbers (uniqueness rocks) by John+Allsup · 2014-01-13 11:49 · Score: 3, Insightful

When searching for information relavent to a release, say Debian 7, putting 'debian 7' into Google is useless, since Google can't infer the meaning of a number 7 in a document. Searching for 'debian wheezy', however, is far more specific, since 'wheezy' isn't used where the number 7 might be (for example 'bug with proglet 7 on debian 3' might match pages talking about bugs with proglet running on debian 7 where the error code is 3). If they don't have a codename, at least attach a unique memorable short string to each release so that it can be easily searched for.

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Re:The problem with only numbers (uniqueness rocks by wiredlogic · 2014-01-13 11:56 · Score: 3, Informative

Except that Google can infer from context that your search is related to Debian 7 and not Debian 6 or Debian 8.

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Enough with the stupid names! by RuffMasterD · 2014-01-13 11:56 · Score: 4, Insightful

Thank you Fedora, for dropping the stupid names already. Code name my distro Humping Hippo for all I care, but don't put it into the final product. I shouldn't have to search the Internet every time I need to translate between release number and codename. Sure, I can run 'lsb_release -r' or whatever command on my own system, but what about every other system out there? Ubuntu, your move...

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1. Re:Enough with the stupid names! by gfxguy · 2014-01-14 01:06 · Score: 1
  
  Ubuntu numbering is a decent way to do it, but names only work in conjunction with number, like saying "Ubuntu 13.10" followed by "Saucy Salamander." When people say things like "Oh, that's not supported in Gutsy Gibbon, the feature was added in Natty Narwhal." I want to whack them with a whacking stick.
  I realize there's a lot of "name" supporters here, and it's fine when used in conjunction with version numbers, but there's too many products with oh-so-zany naming that it's just not funny or cool anymore, it's just confusing.
  
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2. Re:Enough with the stupid names! by nabsltd · 2014-01-14 02:31 · Score: 2
  
  Ubuntu numbering is a decent way to do it, but names only work in conjunction with number, like saying "Ubuntu 13.10" followed by "Saucy Salamander." When people say things like "Oh, that's not supported in Gutsy Gibbon, the feature was added in Natty Narwhal." I want to whack them with a whacking stick.
  Starting with 5.10 (Breezy Badger), it's fairly easy to tell the version ordering from the names, as they are in alphabetical order.
Re:The problem with only numbers (uniqueness rocks by TuxThePenguin2205 · 2014-01-13 11:58 · Score: 3, Informative

though putting "debian 7" (including the quotes) gets much better answers ;-)
Nothing to see here. by Max+Threshold · 2014-01-13 12:10 · Score: 5, Funny

They "reinvent" themselves every few years... basically whenever they start attracting too many users.
1. Re:Nothing to see here. by Aighearach · 2014-01-13 13:49 · Score: 1
  
  Good, drive the unwashed masses back! Their features requests dumb down my user experience.
Like Prince by goombah99 · 2014-01-13 12:19 · Score: 1

Just make the name some useless symbol like Prince did. Or make it something that no magazine will print.

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1. Re:Like Prince by tepples · 2014-01-13 14:20 · Score: 2
  
  Or make it something that no magazine will print.
  You mean like Ubuntu 8.04 Hairy Hardon?
What will be the codename in lsb_release by rminsk · 2014-01-13 12:25 · Score: 1

One of the things in the Linux Standard Base is codename. What will "lsb_release" -c return?
1. Re:What will be the codename in lsb_release by Aighearach · 2014-01-13 13:55 · Score: 1
  
  "null"
no name? by Gravis+Zero · 2014-01-13 12:32 · Score: 3, Funny

so i guess we have to call it The Release Formerly Known As Fedora 21.

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1. Re:no name? by MurukeshM · 2014-01-13 13:23 · Score: 1
  
  so i guess we have to call it The Release Currently Known As Fedora 21.
  FTFY. Kneel before the Prince.
2. Re:no name? by Evil+Pete · 2014-01-13 16:25 · Score: 1
  
  The distro that can be named by Man
  Is not the Fedora 21 distro.
  -- with apologies to Lao Tzu.
  
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Simple enough by quantaman · 2014-01-13 12:41 · Score: 2

It will simply be the distro with no name

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1. Re:Simple enough by Chris+Mattern · 2014-01-13 13:11 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  Then 22 should be called A Fistful of Fedoras.
2. Re:Simple enough by quantaman · 2014-01-13 13:21 · Score: 1
  
  Oh I wish I could mod that up :)
  
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3. Re:Simple enough by quantaman · 2014-01-13 15:40 · Score: 1
  
  24 The Source, the Docs, and the Sound System.
  
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Re:The problem with only numbers (uniqueness rocks by Anonymous Coward · 2014-01-13 12:49 · Score: 1

Can't you see his low UID?! He's submitting his comments via telegraph, you insensitive clod!
Re:Why does teh windowwwz have teh name? by Anonymous Coward · 2014-01-13 12:52 · Score: 2, Funny

Ladies and gentlemen... there is actually a human being on this planet who composed this post in his head, typed it on his keyboard, and thought that sharing it with the world was a good idea. Let that rattle around in your heads for a while. I present to you Desperation.
Is it really going to be just Fedora 21? by Ruedii · 2014-01-13 13:44 · Score: 1

Is it really going to be just Fedora 21?
I sort of like the name Null Nadda!
Re:Ah, the Distro Not to be Named by Aighearach · 2014-01-13 13:55 · Score: 2

If you want to know why hardcore fedora users have been asking for the switch to systemd for many years, here it is:
http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html
A lot of people who were otherwise in the "stick with SysV" crowd fall in love with systemd as soon as they learn the details. It is truly a step forwards over 80s UNIX.
Finally by hduff · 2014-01-13 16:17 · Score: 3, Funny

RedHat admits that it cannot come up with dumber names than Canonical.

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1. Re:Finally by samwichse · 2014-01-16 03:00 · Score: 1
  
  I don't know, did you ever use Beefy Miracle?
  Sam
Another Paradigm Shift? by Anonymous Coward · 2014-01-13 17:02 · Score: 1

After the demonstrable trade-off of "oooh, shiny!" features versus anything resembling traceability, supportability, or compatiblity demonstrated by:
1) NetworkManager
2) SeLinux
3) udev
4) Gnome3
5) systemd
6) the new installer
7) Replacing /bin with a symlink to /usr/bin
8) Putting punctation in the operating system name
I hope the Fedora team has learned an invaluable lesson: leave the shiny stuff *optional*, not default and embedded in random cruft all over your enviornment
Re:Ah, the Distro Not to be Named by Antique+Geekmeister · 2014-01-13 17:13 · Score: 1

I'm afraid it's a step forward to dotcom project planning. De-scripting the init process has made it unpredictable, especially if specific components are delayed, such as network component recognition. There are advantages for running daemon: systemd has been fragile. But since Dan Bernstein finally released "daemontools" as public domain, they could have used that, which has a much better serial behavior at boot time and manages dependencies more consistently.
Bender? by antdude · 2014-01-13 20:26 · Score: 1

Is that you? ;)

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Good riddance by guacamole · 2014-01-13 20:31 · Score: 1

When you have a dozen releases of OS within a decade, no one is going to remember the individual names anyways.
I wonder how the bootloader will cope with that by DrXym · 2014-01-13 20:55 · Score: 1

I still have a bootloader menu entry for Fedora 19 called "Schr?dinger?s cat" since nobody bothered to check if it could cope with umlauts or apostrophes. I wonder if Fedora 21 will feature a blank menu entry.
Anaconda needs love... by rklrkl · 2014-01-13 22:46 · Score: 1

I don't know about you, but I really don't like the redesigned Fedora installer (Anaconda) that's turned up in recent Fedora releases. It's quite SHOUTY (yes, headings in full capitals and bold too!) and the disk partitioning section is frankly awful (very non-obvious, mixed units and it took me ages to work out how to create a partition that used all the remaining space - answer: put a huge value for the size and it'll round it down to what's left).
Fedora with the MATE desktop isn't too bad, but sadly that's the not the desktop that's the default selection. I also seem to remember a couple of releases (18 and 19 I think) that were incredibly show to both show the login screen and the post-login desktop in VirtualBox (20-25 secs for each on an i7 machine with a couple of CPU cores allocated!), though it looks like Fedora 20 fixed this. Many people will install Fedora in a VM first (particularly if they're Windows users) and if it performs poorly there, it won't get installed on the bare metal.
I basically gave up on bare metal Fedora from 15 onwards - no coincidence that the frankly dreadful GNOME 3 came out at the same time. Once I saw how bad it was in a VM, my preferred OS became CentOS 6, whose combo of GNOME 2, GRUB 1 and SysVInit scripts (all of which are much easier to use than their "better" successors) remains probably the peak combo we've seen to date in a mainstream Linux distro.
1. Re:Anaconda needs love... by WuphonsReach · 2014-01-14 08:17 · Score: 1
  
  Having had to write my own SysV init scripts... I can't say that I'll be sorry to see them go. There's a lot of corner cases that they don't handle well (dependencies on another service are hard) and you constantly have to roll-your-own solution to common problems.
  
  It's the difference between building a modern website using Java servlets (JSP) files vs a modern framework like Spring.
  
  Yes, you can do very quick creations and tweaks of existing SysV init files, but as soon as you need to do anything more complex then start a standalone service, it gets hairy.
  
  Still not sure systemd is the solution... but will try it in RHEL 7.
  
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go retro by steak · 2014-01-14 03:25 · Score: 1

Call it fedora core 21!

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1. Re:go retro by samwichse · 2014-01-16 03:04 · Score: 1
  
  I've noticed in the package tree, while everyone refers to it as "Fedora 20," the abbreviation on all the packages is packagename.fc20.arch.rpm, so they're still versioning as Fedora Core.
  Sam
Well... by ButchDeLoria · 2014-01-14 04:02 · Score: 1

They obviously did name it: cat /dev/null
Re:The problem with only numbers (uniqueness rocks by just_another_sean · 2014-01-14 05:05 · Score: 2

The third hit when I searched for Debian 8 was this:

Debian -- News -- Updated Debian 6.0: 6.0.8 released
Kind of validates the GP's comment...
* emphasis mine...

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Re:The problem with only numbers (uniqueness rocks by samwichse · 2014-01-16 02:57 · Score: 1

And the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th results.
Re:The problem with only numbers (uniqueness rocks by just_another_sean · 2014-01-16 09:03 · Score: 1

I noticed that too... Right after I hit submit on my post! :-)

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