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NVIDIA Launches GTX 750 Ti With New Maxwell Architecture
Vigile writes "NVIDIA is launching the GeForce GTX 750 Ti today, which would normally just be a passing mention for a new $150 mainstream graphics card. But company is using this as the starting point for its Maxwell architecture, which is actually pretty interesting. With a new GPU design that reorganizes the compute structure into smaller blocks, Maxwell is able to provide 66% more CUDA cores with a die size that is just 25% bigger than the previous generation all while continuing to use the same 28nm process technology we have today. Power and area efficiency were the target design points for Maxwell as it will eventually be integrated into NVIDIA's Tegra line, too. As a result the GeForce GTX 750 Ti is able to outperform AMD's Radeon R7 260X by 5-10% while using 35 watts less power at the same time."
... five expansion slots to fit the fans, this time!
It's always easy for nvidia to say their graphics cards outperform AMD cards in computation, but difficult to make it happen. Nvidia is great at selling hype, nothing more.
Thanks to the Litecoin and Bitcoin minners Nvidia are the only cards at the shelves at stores and who do not have a 150% to 200% damn markup from the MSRP price?!
If Maxwell can also mine coins do not expect any reasonably priced GPU for years to come.
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It's all about what you're trying to do. Nvidia usually has an edge in the reliability/gaming sector, while AMD has an edge in the mining/hashing sector. To say that Nvidia is pure hype is, ironically, hyperbole.
That sounds Smart...
I'll get me coat.
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Am I the only one annoyed that average operating temperature and noise output are not standard graphic card benchmarks?
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going from 1 unit to 1.25 unit size is 56% bigger in area, so they gained 10%?
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5-10% better than a cheaper rival card that came out 5 months ago.
Go nvidia, go!
However, double-precision math is further pared back to 1/32 the rate of FP32; that was 1/24 in the mainstream Kepler-based GPUs.
Apparently, they achieved it at least partially by further carving up FP64 capabilities - even the cheapest AMD stuff has 1:16, as lousy as it is for some applications. Oh, what the hell. They're just gaming it. ;-)
Ezekiel 23:20
It looks like it can indeed mine fairly well.
What else would you use an amd card for?
I you want to game and/or use linux with any performance and stability you need a nvidia card.
Intel integrated gpu works fine for linux though if you don't need the performance,
Maybe AMD should think about making more. Just an idea.
What else would you use an amd card for?
For anything you want? They even come with HW documentation these days. Also, Linus. ;-)
Ezekiel 23:20
ATI's driver is free and opensourced and speced unlike the nvidia one which is a binary blob.
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It makes sense to cut down on die space and power usage by removing capabilities that almost no one uses. Why should 99% of gamers have to carry the burden for 1% of HPC users? Presumably Nvidia will create a successor card to Tesla that will include full FP64 capability on the Maxwell platform. It won't come cheap, though.
Hype or not, games on my gtx 760 look amazing. Looks like they are testing the waters for the next flagship.
... capabilities that almost no one uses. Why should 99% of gamers have to carry the burden for 1% of HPC users?
"Almost no one?" There's also less demanding engineering workstations and even content creation scenarios where better DP support would come in handy. But, having said that, AMD's APUs make probably much more sense for these than a gaming card with limited memory.
Ezekiel 23:20
I think the most drastic thing about this new chipset is the fact Nvidia bumped the L2 cache up past 2 MB.
The Radeon R7 260 it is being compared against has only 768 KB and Kepler units had 256-320 KBs.
The performance improvement could simply be the L2 being larger, which means it is paging out to it's memory less.
"Almost no one?" There's also less demanding engineering workstations and even content creation scenarios where better DP support would come in handy.
Yeah, exactly. That's "almost no one" when compared to the size of the gaming market.
Well, for one, you can use it.
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Don't worry. They 260X they're comparing it to is still 2x faster at bitcoin mining. Still faster per-watt as well.
Yes, but it is "months in advance". The crypocoin thing started in November. Besides that TSMC is only at 80% capacity
What else would you use an amd card for?
For anything you want? They even come with HW documentation these days. Also, Linus. ;-)
It comes with Linus? Is there a super efficient NVIDIA invented process that bundles a small piece of him on die in place of a core in every chip?
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AMD dammit, AMD ::sigh::
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How does it perform at h.264 encoding? Compared with let's say Intel's Quick Sync on HD4600?
I thought Maxwell was going to be under the 800 series. For sure, the 700 series already exists and has used the older Kepler architecture. Why confuse customers with ambiguous product naming?
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Honestly, my three-year old GTX 580 makes games look amazing, and it is still surprisingly capable with modern games (really, only Crysis 3 on Ultra made it wheeze). This is thanks to how anemic were the GPUs in the last-gen game-consoles, but I'd wager it still holds up well with the launch titles released for the XBOne or PS4. I suppose I'll get a new GPU in a year or two, but after that I think I'll be find until the PS5/XBox-NextWhatever is released.
My days of upgrading video-cards on a yearly basis seem long gone; so much of the power we have available at our fingertips goes unused these days that it seems an unnecessary expenditure. I'd feel sorry for AMD and nvidia but, well, they did sort of bring it on themselves. ;-)
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What does scrypt performance have to do with bitcoin?
It looks like all they may have left is price.
We'll see if AMD retakes the lead in efficiency. In the meantime, they still beat Nvidia on price and system integration, although obviously system integration is not really a concern for people looking for aftermarket cards, but it is one of the major reason that all three gaming consoles went with AMD. Still, I use Nvidia cards, although I am very disappointing with them purposefully restricting double-precision speed.
I got an AMD A10 5600K chip and was having some issues with FPS in Xonotic. Wasn't sure WTF and blamed it on AMD. Picked up a used nvidia gtx 280. Well the graphics seemed much smoother for about 5 min then the slow downs started/ WTF? Anyways make a long story short I got a big fat CPU cooler and out of the blue the A!0 chip with opensource radeon drivers can play the game maxed out with no issues.
So here I was blaming AMD for crappy drivers when the CPU was overheating with the stock cooler. Oh and what did the Nvidia drivers do well they filled up my logs with bg of junk for some bug (Im using Linxu Mint 16) in the kernel/drivers. Eventually got the Running low on / space error messages.
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I wonder who they want to sell to, when it comes to "mainstream" cards.
When it comes to graphics I consider myself mainstream. Watching video, running the OS, an occasional photo edit - that's about the heaviest it goes. I rarely play games (and those are not graphics intensive, just online games), I don't do CAD or anything else that's graphically intensive.
Motherboards come with graphics built in, and that works just fine for those not into hardcore gaming or hardcore graphic design work. Both relative small markets, and both not exactly "mainstream" markets.
So what is this "mainstream" market for graphics cards, nowadays?
Won't you spend more $$$ on electricity for bitcoin mining than what you get out of it?, unless you steal the electricity.
As an owner of several nVidia produts, I appalled what nVidia does to the non-Quadro cards!
So you can choose a crippled gaming cards that can't do math well, or choose a workstation card that can't cool itself, and doesn't really know what to shaders.
Tell your marketing department, a loyal customer will seriously give AMD/ATI a close look the next time around.
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Games don't make use of double precision math on a GPU. Really the only thing that does is some GPGPU apps (plenty of others are SP). So it makes no sense to optimize for it, and nVidia does not in their consumer cards, particularly low end ones like the 750.
Don't go and try to sniff around to find benchmarks that make your favourite product win, as it is rather silly. Ya, there's a lot the 290X is better at, but that doesn't mean it is relevant. The idea here is for reasonable graphics (as in gaming, multi-media, etc) performance with low power. It seems to have that in spades.
It was a "used" nvidia gtx 280. You don't know if something happened to it.
Nope, you got it right the first time - it would have to be NVIDIA for it to work in the first place, AMD can't find their arses with both hands, a map, a team of dedicated researchers and a reality TV challenge show.