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GNOME 3.12 Released
New submitter Sri Ramkrishna writes: "Like clockwork, the next version of GNOME has been released with updated applications, bugfixes, and so forth. People can look forward to faster loading times and a little better performance than before. A video has been created to highlight the release! Check it out!"
The release features "... app folders, enhanced system status and
high-resolution display support. This release also includes new and
redesigned applications for video, software, editing, sound recording
and internet relay chat. Under the hood, support for using Wayland instead of X has progressed
significantly." There are a bunch of new features for programmers too.
GNOME shell has really improved. I've been using 3.10 for a while now and it's really comfortable. Can't wait for 3.12 to hit the Arch repos.
(Posted as a reply because I'm on mobile and can't find a way to start a new thread)
The KDE and Gnome people have decided that they are going to cater for the most unsophisticated users alone. Thus, they have come up with desktop environments with lots of eye candy that take up a nontrivial amount of resources, that make it difficult to work in ways that are not exactly those that these people espouse, and that make anything but the most perfunctory use of the computer well nigh impossible.
As far as I am concerned both KDE and Gnome can rot in hell. Thank goodness, under Linux we have other desktop choices that don't treat the end user as a moron.
... related to gnome already sounds negative
Meet the new boss: same as the old boss.
You mean: "Meet the new boss, worse than the old boss". Gnome keeps removing features. Session saving for gnome-terminal was removed several versions ago supposedly because they have a new way of doing this. Only they didn't actually implement the new way. They just took out the old and left it.
even if you were at home on a desktop, GNOME would be making your screen into a big goddamn single-task-at-once cell phone anyway
And I see they're still jumping on this Unity-ish sidebar UI bandwagon... ugh, I guess I'll be using xfce for a while longer so I can actually have a normal top and bottom panels. Running apps and workspace picker along the bottom, Application (etc) menus along the top with various system controls... its worked well for over a decade, yes some people might like the newer Vista/OSXy way to set things up, and fine that can be the (annoying) default, but at least give us the *option* to set up our workspace as we like. Saying "we don't support user customization anymore" is simply arrogant and not an option for open source software which was supposed to be all about the user having control.
It looks nice, and I commend them for all the hard work, I'm sure a lot of hours went in to it, but I won't be in any rush to upgrade if I still can't even do something simple like move my panels around.
Jezus, I've been on this site since Malda was still using it as a tab on his website. It took them this long to actually accept a submission of mine.
After a few missteps, Gnome is now a pleasure on the desktop. The window management is intuitive and functional - the first desktop since the late 1980s that isn't a morass of windows. The applications menu is well laid out instead of a wobbly tree of menus. Overall it's quick and stable.
I do miss the dual pane in Nautilus, but I just installed the alternate file browser from the Mate/Cinnamon project. After all this is Linux, we have choice. Here's hoping that they put those features back, as they have done with the other features they "took away" in app rewrites.
I tried KDE for a few weeks, it claims to be ultimately configurable. But you can't even do simple stuff like assign the meta key as a shortcut, or have a menu to the left of screen that works well. KDE is too much like the familiar but difficult Windows desktop paradigm.
I much prefer xfce.
Session saving is a hard problem and it requires apps to participate. Since it was never working correctly, it was removed so a better way could be done. But sometimes those things take awhile.
âoeGNOME is the desktop environment of choice for many Yahoo developers..." so That is the reason Yahoo went to hell! When Gnome2 was abandoned the "team" showed its true colors, a big Fail
Mate
Wonderful, the unusable interface of 'evince' (Print is hidden under a sun icon or a gear, or something -- with no known way to open the menu from the keyboard) now comes to gedit. Now editing a file becomes impossible too! Please, folks, follow CUA , the Common User Access protocols, with named menus we can access with Alt+keystroke or F10. Arrrrrgh! Stupid! Make it stop! Give us back our File, Edit, View menus and all the rest!
I can't decide which to go on LinuxMint: MATE or Cinnamon? I feel like Cinnamon has come along enough that it might be better at this point, but not sure.
I use it on two big monitors, and it works fine. It's just windows and a status bar, and two bars which get out of your way. I like it. It's not as clunky as KDE/XFCE, and more polished.
NB: The message above might reflect my opinion right now, but not necessarily tomorrow or next year.
But mostly because just about every extension is really something that should be a preference and is every way inferior to a checkbox.
So remove it just in case it doesn't work for someone properly??
I have been using MATE on ubuntu 12.04 its pretty stable and usable but lacking polish. Been a couple of years since I looked at Cinnamon.
---Saying gnome 3 is better than windows 8 not so much a compliment as it is damning with light praise.
Because it winds you up?
After watching the video I find I have been pronouncing Gnome incorrectly for all these years. Ga-nome, I've been saying Nome..
Gnome 3.12: **slighltly** more user friendly than Windows 8, which is like saying it is slightly more user friendly than a rabid zombie wolverine in a kindergarten playground.
I watched the video. Gnome 3.12 still sucks. It is an embarrassment to Linux; it is one of the reasons why after 10 years we still don't have "the year of the Linux Desktop". This is a continuing example of the developers deciding how the users should work, not thinning about how the users are used to doing things. Yecch.
Thank goodness for XFCE. XFCE's developers seem to actually have the user experience in mind.
there are 3 kinds of people:
* those who can count
* those who can't
Cinnamon is very good, and much more dependable than earlier versions. If you have not tried it in a while, it is recommended.
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It doesn't work for anyone properly, that was the point. If you have a featuer that is unreliable, it's not really much of a feature.
the Mint version of Mate has the missing polish
the Mint version of Mate has the missing polish.
Sorry to say that but with every new version of Gnome 3 the Desktop is getting sluggisher and sluggisher.
I compre here my experience of Fedora 18 vs Fedora 20.
I know all these tasks in the background like tracker, pulseaudio, journald, packagekit make the system crawl but gnome-shell still feels slow.
I also don't understand why the entire desktop gets grayed out and modal once I get a dialog where I only need to click cancel or ok. I't not possible to reach other features and other applications (time critic ones) once put into background. Stupid idea!
Cinnamon is indeed great, unfortunately GNOME has found a way to ruin the Cinnamon option by changing the GTK3 based apps into an unusable mess (yes, they changed the UI on the apps as well as the desktop).
Session Saving in gnome-terminal was as reliable as anything else in Gnome and highly useful. Where session saving was not reliable is that it didn't work for all apps. But removing the code from gnome-terminal doesn't help that cause. Gnome-shell still supports session-saving which means you it still saves state for Firefox and Thunderbird. (window location and size, mostly. Firefox has it's own session saving ability)
I started with MATE but it had a lot of rough edges, and unfortunately the devs kept talking about "innovation" which I don't want on my desktop... so I switched to XFCE. Cinnamon may o r may not be better.
Does this release include the "search my hard drive every time I try to open an app" feature? I'm sure the people with SSD drives think it's great but it sucks on magnetic drives whenever you want to open a program you have to click on a search bar and the machine slows to a crawl while it searches the hard drive while you type in the program name
beta or not:
gnome 3 is like portal 2 on steroids but without the white portal panels : }
Yes, so basically we need to figure out from teh toolkit level how to make this happen and drive a standard so that any app that uses a toolkit will automatically figure out how to save all that so then session saving then works for all apps except maybe those old apps from the 90s.
At first I had major issues with Gnome 3, but I kept an open mind. After a little while, I became more productive with it than with a traditional desktop UI. My favorite thing is that I don't have to point and click anywhere near as much as I did before. I can do almost anything with my keyboard.
I watched the video. She says it as "Gah-nome". I always pronounced it Gnome (that is, nome). I had to replay it several times to get past the Gah! There are other reasons why I worry about them breaking the traditional desktop experience, but if the Gnome group don't ruin the desktop for the user, there is always Ubuntu. So long as my USB mouse works after booting up, and I get rid of the 13 and counting error message popups when I first start X, I will be happy.
Use Cinnamon with MATE apps like I do. It's a great experience.
Why is MATE in all capitals?
It's not spelled that way in Uruguayan Spanish. Did they invent a witty backronym?
i like cheddar :)
thank you and the horse you rode in on for the most useful news i've had here in a while.
gnome is driving me nuttier than i thought i could get at the moment, but am sticking with it, is better than nothing.
which about sums up the alternatives, when they're not trying to be everything.
-- dear linus, who is git, and to what is he objecting? --
I just tried xfce4 on Debian and it took me about 5 minutes to make it look nearly identical to my old Gnome2 desktop.
That will work for me :-)
It doesn't work for anyone properly
Except for KDE, which has been doing it successfully for a very long time now.
No? Didn't think so... Here's looking forward to Gnome 4. I'll give this one a miss.
"Is the Chief Priest an Offlian? Do dragons explode in the wood?"
terrific! That's so wonderful~
I too have been here a long time.
Not as long as you Sri but longer than inode_buddha.
rgds
Why is it that every single time GNOME has a new version, it gets greenlit on /.? It's certainly not news; there are plenty of other desktop managers, GNOME's not even really the leader anymore, and this seems like it was a relatively minor release anyway. It's definitely not the discussion because the same three posts with minor variations are in every single article about the damn thing (it's a mess, it's not a mess, [thing] sucks more). I guess it might be news for a subset of a subset of nerds, but I don't really think it matters that much. Are we going to start posting stories about every single release of 7zip, too? Or Chrome?
It requires systemd, ergo I could care less.
I tried Cinnamon for a bit, and then finally settled on MATE. Gnome is irrelevant, and KDE I haven't used since 4.0
There are 2 groups of people you can make fun of on the Internet without fear of attack. The illiterate, and the Amish.
Cinnamon is fine. There is nothing wrong with cinnamon. It's a good desktop. If you want to use cinnamon you'll find that its a good desktop.
My preference is MATE because it's the desktop I have been using for the last 10 years. For this reason, within fifteen seconds of seeing MATE I realized I'd never use a different desktop in my life. But if you want to use cinnamon, nothing is stopping you, and its pretty easy to decide to switch later.
Razor-qt
What?? Gnome Shell is the best UI for task switching easily. Single task phone UI? Ridiculous.
no but as alternative to GNOME they capitalize it. so you only need to find out why GNOME is capitalized 8D