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Why Are We Made of Matter?
StartsWithABang (3485481) writes "The Universe began with equal amounts of matter and antimatter after the Big Bang, and yet when we look out at today's Universe, we find that, even on the largest scales, it's made of at least 99.999%+ matter and not antimatter. The problem of how we went from a matter-antimatter-symmetric Universe to the matter-dominated one we have today is known as baryogenesis, and is one of the greatest unsolved problems in physics. Where are we on the quest to understand it as of April, 2014? A wonderful and comprehensive recap is here."
God hid it.
God is made of it.
Okay, that's the god excuses out of the way... now on with the physics!
What does it matter that we're made of matter? Were we made of anti-matter, would it anti-matter to anyone? Don't lose any energy on this matter, because it doesn't fucking matter.
By mass, I'm currently ~70% water, ~29.5% matter, and 0.5% cookie dough
Disclaimer: Do not eat raw cookie dough made with unpasteurized eggs.
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well , I'm made out of Anitmatter,I know you are still looking for me as of April 2014. if it matters.
If we were made from anti-matter, we'd call that matter, and call matter anti-matter. TFS summary starts out with the statement that the universe began with equal amounts of matter and anti-matter. Are we sure there were equal amounts? It seems like there must have been more of one than the other. Why that would be is the real question in my mind.
Actually, the big bang theory simply says that the universe started in a hot, dense state and expanded into a cold, sparse state. It doesn't even try to explain how the universe came to be in that hot, dense state. It is similar to how evolution does not even try to explain how life started, just how species evolve once they exist.
What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
Uh, where do YOU think it came from? If you say "God," then you have to explain why God can pop up from nowhere, or why he can be eternal, but nothing else can. Oh, wait... it's "ineffable," sorry.
Besides, no one has given any reason why existence itself must be subject to cause and effect; only things that already exist can be observed to hold to that law.
The beginning probably had a spin one way or another that predisposed one type of matter VS the other.
The effect was probably small, but over the vast space and energies involved that small difference made a giant outcome.
Butterfly effect and all that.
This would be my completely uneducated guess. Physics persons can freely rip on me as an idiot lol Please when ripping on me, tell me something in terms an idiot would understand though, I do enjoy learning some things. Especially the why of things! :)
One of my other stupid persons theories, maybe energy just likes to form matter under the right conditions and when matter and anti matter meet they create energy and this destruction and creation cycle trended to making the universe just matter.
Yes, that is the prevailing working hypothesis at the moment, as counter intuitive as it may be. But intuition does not matter. Experimentation and math do.
You seem to know more about this, calling us all fools et al, so please enlighten us by sharing your math and the experiments you did for verification, and the wisdom it lead you too.
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And that is why we do not hear any intelligent radio transmissions from other star systems.
But does it explain why there's apparently no intelligent postings on Slashdot?
In spite of my better judgement I'm about to attempt an analogy, so bear with me here. The lowest number of moves to unscramble a maximally scrambled rubik's cube (a 3x3x3 one) is 20. That is, for every configuration of a rubik's cube, there is a sequence of 20 moves or less that will unscramble it. However, there is no algorithm to generate those solutions. They are unstructured; they're simply lists of moves. The algorithms used by human (and computer) rubik's cube solvers are far from move-optimal, but benefit from being executable by non-omniscient beings. They pick out some pattern that is applicable to the rubik's cube, and then direct you in manipulating it according to that pattern until it's solved.
The way science understands the world is by comparing new data to what we already know. For example, we know penicillin kills bacteria; if we discover a new disease, and then discover that it is caused by bacteria, we can safely draw the conclusion that we'll probably be able to treat it with penicillin. We've used science to discover a pattern in the world ('penicillin kills bacteria'), then use deduction to determine where it is and isn't applicable, and form new categories based on what happens when we encounter new data (like bacteria not killed by penicillin being classified as anti-biotic resistant). Science is basically a collection of patterns like this, and because they're patterns (structures, structured rules, whatever you want to call them) we can understand them.
Now, what I wonder about is this. What if the fact that we live in a matter universe now (rather than an anti-matter one) is like the set of move-optimal solutions to a rubik's cube? They both describe a certain state of affairs, but they also both completely lack (could lack) any kind of structure. And because they lack this structure, there is nothing for us to latch onto, nothing for us to understand, no pattern to detect. It is simply the case, and there is no further reason. There is no reason why there is no structure in the move-optimal solutions to a rubik's cube. There might not be a reason why there is a massive matter/anti-matter imbalance either.
This is something I've been trying to work out for a while, so please excuse me if my explanation is unclear. I just think it would be a really interesting possibility, something which isn't often discussed, maybe because it simply gets overlooked.
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we don't know we are made of matter. What if what we call matter is in fact anti-matter ? Or to put it differently, if the universe was made of "antimatter" wouldn't we think we were made of matter and the definition of antimatter (positron etc.) would be the opposite of what's now? Isn't it just a matter (no pun intended) of definition ?
because we are almost surely living in simulation. and in that simulation, things just have to be so for us to be simulated.
never bring a twinkie to a food fight.
The antimatter is just on the inside of the universe. We are on the outside of it.
Applying enough energy to space breaks the surface down and they exchange through to the source of the rip.
Where is my science prize of the year award 2014 4 years running?
Although this actually is sort of a theory, I just cannot remember the name of it. I remember seeing a diagram of it.
I also remember seeing something else about there being antimatter galaxies and such, and we just can't see them.
Is the question about what happened to the anti-matter, or what happened to our theory?
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I wonder if it is possible that the Universe has some regions of matter and some of antimatter. In between there would be mixed regions and the resulting explosions could tend to keep the different regions separate. Initially asymmetry in the distribution would leave some small regions of each type. The m-am explosions could force separation and a certain portion of the matter regions would merge with other matter regions and the same for antimatter. This seems like a fairly obvious thought, so I assume that it has been considered and ruled out. Why or why not?
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Unlike the energy from nuclear fission or fusion which we essentially get for free because its already in a sense locked up in the atoms, for an anti matter bomb you'd first have to make the antimatter - from scratch. And the amount of energy you'd have to put in to do that would have to be at least equal to the amount of energy you'd get out. So to create an anti matter bomb to physically destroy a planet (rather than just laying waste to the surface) you'd have to put in enough energy to do that in the first place which if you used the entire earth electricity generating capacity would - at a guestimate - take a few hundred years minimum.
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Guess now I get literally destroyed by the antimatter bomb.
I imagine if you went to the edge of the universe you'd see an abrupt transition into one made of antimatter.
There is no evidence for this hypothesis, but I plan to capitalize on the first mover advantage. When the internet completely destorys all vestiges of religion and make everyone atheists, they will be looking for someone to mouth of fantastic things without any evidence to provide "meaning for their lives". I am going to be there on the mountain, mouthing of stuff like matter, anti-matter, quantum horizon etc etc.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
Math does not dictate reality. Reality dictates math. There are many things we,you,them cannot comprehend. Time is a prime example. Time never 'started'. It has always been. Humans have a hard time grasping the concept of something never having a 'beginning'. It makes our head hurt just trying to conceptualize it. Another concept is 'will'. Matter and energy do not have a 'will'. They have 'laws' and 'characteristics' that define them. Humans have a 'will' and try to further it most all the time. I understand not liking being tossed into a game that You didn't want to play, but to try to make up some disillusioning story is a bad service to society. Just because I know how to fix my car doesn't mean I know how to create the car. The knowledge we have before us today is intoxicating, and leads us to misuse our will. And to that end is Evil. Which can only exist in the form of Will. You have been warned.
Because we travel the way we do through time.
Antimatter travels through it in the other direction.
And we when we and the antimatter get all the way from one end of Time to the other--BOOM! It's the end.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
You do realize origin of species, origin of life, origin of universe are all interchangeable to most people, right? Once there was a Russian cosmonaut who visited our college campus, with the cultural attache acting as the translator. We were engineering students, he was talking about rockets and orbits and the cultural attache made no distinction between the terms "force", "power", "momentum" and "energy". It is all one and the same to him.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
most of it does.. our sometimes perceived as vaporous spirits are our main ingredient? try living without one? conscious conscience is our specialty? as for our shells, we leak & go weak easily & should be treated by each other as irreplaceable..
Uh, where do YOU think it came from? If you say "God," then you have to explain why God can pop up from nowhere, or why he can be eternal, but nothing else can.
Actually they don't have to explain it. That's why it's called faith.
I'm not a particularly religious sort, more agnostic than anything, and faith doesn't really enter into my daily life. That said, there's plenty of things about the universe we just can't explain, so I would think there's room left for faith if that's what a particular person finds to be fulfilling. It doesn't do much for me, but to each their own, and I certainly don't derive a sense of smug superiority from mocking the religious people among us.
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
"You gullible idiots really think matter and giant 'big bang'"
Something eternal can exist and not be god, I know you find that hard to fathom. You're hung up on the idea of "creation" and "destruction" the reality is human concepts and idea's break down when dealing with nature. You're reasoning from the concepts you've derived from human sized world (aka models your brain developed to deal with human sized world). William James sidis thought the universe was similar to a circuit and that we are on one side of the universe and there is a universe that mirrors ours going in the opposite direction. The point being that those who espouse God usually always have an idea of who/what god is and a book with teachings that go against what we know about the universe.
William James Sidis, the animate and inanimate (for those interested).
http://www.sidis.net/ANIMConte...
Nobody in science actually claims it just popped up from nowhere. Best guesses range from "we don't know" to "we cannot ever know".
And that is why we do not hear any intelligent radio transmissions from other star systems.
But does it explain why there's apparently no intelligent postings on Slashdot?
There were originally equal amounts of facts and anti-facts. Computer Scientists are still trying to explain why anti-facts now make up 99.999% of the postings.
Same reason why my martinis are 99.999% gin. I just rely on the probability cloud from the vermouth sitting on my bar shelf.
Set your phasers on "funky"!
That the universe started out with equal amounts of matter and anti-matter is an interesting hypothesis.
Greed is the root of all evil.
i know where it went
the other way dimensionally speaking
our matter got shoved into a matter universe and a antimatter universe went dimensionally polar opposite directions.
of course matter can pop out of nowhere - it happens all the time, see Virtual Particle. What is different here is the vast scale at which it happened, and where this phenomon applies to the origin of the Big Bang
Don't throw away a theory because you don't understand how it is started. The Big Bang Theory is simply stunning in it's ability to explain almost everything in the know universe that we observe. It is up to someone else to work out what may have triggered it.
This is just like Evolution which brilliantly explains almost everything we see in terms of life as it is. but evolution is not Abiogensis
When you understand that Evolution and Abogenesis are different things, as are sex and embryology, you will also understand how you mixed up the Big Bang Theory with another area of study which is about multiverses, unverse bubbles, oscillating universes, God's Poke, and other interesting ideas that are today all still in the realm of speculation - because we have no way yet of seeing which of them could be true.
Big Bang cosmologists work on what is observable and testable and predictable. Big Bang cosmologists are not expecting to find out how to create a big bang, but describe what happens after it occurs.
Why do people think these simple questions are hard???
I agree. It's almost as if they don't read past the headline.
It's way worse than that. There's a video of someone asking astronomy graduates from an Ivy League university what causes the phases of the moon and the seasons, and most cannot answer. What most people do is choose a belief, then actively look only for confirmation of that belief, even if it's an obviously lame excuse to desperately cling to that belief -- they act with willful ignorance. The Doobie brothers say it best -- see my signature.
What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
have we pissed away on a question brought up by a hippy stoner
There are only two possible outcomes:
- either matter and antimatter annihilate each other and the universe is mostly void
- either one eventually wins over the other, leaving majorly one in the universe and pockets of the other
Out of those two, one is clearly more likely to lead to intelligent life.
Well....there is your problem....asking (pure) astronomy grads a question about physics is like asking a (pure) physics grads questions about math. Sure, they know the stuff they need to know to do their work but they can't answer the deeper "why" questions related to the field.
Maybe the anti-matter went backwards in time. Take a look at Paul Dirac's equations.
Personally I don't like this idea because I perceive time as an emergent phenomenon of the expansion and disturbance of space and as such is not a dimension.
Its more likely that the energy released by annihilation in the early universe reconstituted to form ordinary matter.
Greed is the root of all evil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Division_of_labour is a common concept.
Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
How do we know that there was a 50/50 distribution of matter and antimatter? Perhaps antimatter is rare, or more common in the anti universe in a parallel dimension?
... Bacon is made out of matter. Had the universe evolved without bacon, we wouldn't be here to discuss the issue.
Have gnu, will travel.
As soon as physicists solve the problem of antimatter the antimatter bomb will be created.
It will be the size of a coin and could literally destroy literally a quoter of a planet. This is how civilizations end in the Universe.
You vastly overstate the yield of an antimatter weapon.
antimatter weapon yield calculator
From an astronomy perspective it's a hard question. Sure, there is the junior high version with the earth's rotation being tilted yada yada, but why is the earth's rotation like that?
What do you mean? We're paying big bucks for the research into the scientific faith. Not saying we should not, I hasten to add, as this is /., but let's call faith like we see it.
Faith is belief without evidence.
Science is about getting evidence.
Religion is based on Iron Age superstition (Scientology and Buddhism* are excepted). Religion was created by man to explain the natural world and was a form of primitive government (Armstrong, "History of God").
Religion came thousands of years before science was invented. To take religious allegorical stories as fact is ludicrous.
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*Buddhism at its base is mental training to be in the present and to work in training the mind. Later on this teaching had shit piled onto it (reincarnation) and it was turned into a religion. But the base teachings are brilliant; although, modern neuroscience is discovering the Siddhartha (AKA, the Historical Buddha) was only half way there. American Secular Buddhism, IMHO, is probably the first time in history where humans are progressing on a spiritual level - spiritual in the sense that we are more than the evolved apes that we are.
tl;dr; Judeo-Christianity is Iron Age superstition and it's pathetic that people still whorship that god in the 21st Century.
if it was the other way around, we would call anti-matter, matter and matter, anti-matter. in the words of hornsby, that's just the way it is.
in the studies that i've been doing for the past four months the best explanation i've encountered is one where particles are actually photons obeying maxwell's equations *to the absolute* letter, on some form of circular (or knotted, or hubius helical) path, where the epicentre creates a synchtronic electro-magnetic field that it in symbiotic support of the epicentre. there is actually a lot of research recently into optics which shows that it *is* actually possible to create phased laser beams that will literally bend in a semi-circle.
with that description in mind, the definition of a "particle" is therefore that the phase of the photon at the centre rotates in one direction.... and that for an anti-particle it rotates in the opposite direction. the string theorists / knot physics people have this down as "the knot being tied left-handed or right-handed".
it's really that simple... but it requires a bit of explanation otherwise it makes no sense. why did the universe choose one in priority over the other? who knows: who cares. the choice has been made.
> Actually they don't have to explain it. That's why it's called faith.
Of course they don't have to explain it, but it would sure help to make sense if they want others to believe it.
Then they insist they have the right to call you a fool for believing something they consider ridiculous, and run and hide behind their "faith" when you call their beliefs ridiculous... crying "You can't criticize my SACRED beliefs! Neener neener!"
Stupid is as stupid does.
You can't understand that though: You're from "loonyland" http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
If we were made of anti-matter, we would see matter as anti-matter and the anti-matter that we are made of as matter.
...and Spock would have a Van Dyke and (gasp) Sulu would be hitting on Uhura.
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Four arms? Hey I only got two :/
Is Goro (Mortal Kombat) possible in the future, I mean if scientists keep experimenting with DNA and such...
and all the matter went to this universe and there is an alternate universe made with antimatter and there is an alternate of everything in this universe only made with antimatter, an antimatter version of me an antimatter version of you, an antimatter version of everybody in an antimatter world orbiting an antimatter sun that is in an antimatter milkway galaxy in an antimatter universe
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Is there any difference between a Black Hole/Singularity formed from Matter vs. Antimatter?
Did galactic-sized magnetic fields push the antimatter into the supermassive black holes in their centers?
If you're looking for something missing of the cosmic scale, black holes seem like a good place to look; although I suppose it'll also be the last place you look...
Antimatter is so derisory. Must we put such a polarizing label on something we do not fully understand? If people referred to me that way, I would not hang around, either.
Of course it matters that we are made, and whatever we are made of quantum-wise, we should be proud, even if it destroys us when we come together.
I vote for calling it 'matter-of-fact'.
P.S. I appreciate StartsWithaBang renaming it from, "Why are we layered fatter?"
As I understand it, consciousness arises from the evolving state of the phonological, visuospatial, and episodic working memories. If someone "walked and talked etc like before", he or she would still be using the working memories to maintain balance and communicate.
I should have linked to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
What a fool believes, he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.
Maybe it all just dropped through to the other side.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Most of the universe is hydrogen. Hydrogen-anti hydrogen anhilitaion has a pretty specific spectra (involving a slew of particle created when electron and anti electron anihilate and proton and anti proton do the same, all in gamma spectra). That gamma signature is nowhere to be seen in our sky observation. The region would have to be separated by incredible distance, but even then at the separation between region the anihilation would be constant and visible.
So you know for certain that all the observable stars are matter? Every galaxy out there is matter, and not anti-matter?
But scientists don't usually say "we don't know." Rather, they say emphatically, "Creation did not come from God." This is the whole Creation vs. Evolution theory debate.
You appear to be confusing "most people" with "thick people".
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Why do matter and antimatter have to explode when they interact? Why can't they just get along?
"Energy and m and c, live together in perfect harmony, side by side on my piano keyboard, oh Lord, why don't we?"
Those weren't physics questions. Those were astronomy questions.
....contained energy and energy is what we all are, doods!
Yes, many people don't see these distinctions. But it's quite worthwhile to understand things anyway.
it's actually a Defense of Darwin's ideas to avoid thinking he wrote "The Origin of THE Species" or something like that. He was out to explain, in modern terms, why we see life organized into somewhat fuzzy sets that change with time, and personally, I think the man did a pretty good job. Unfortunately, I'd estimate that 60 - 70% of the people who thinkthey believe in Evolution either think Evolution proceeds towards abstract perfection, or that it explains the origin of life question. Slashdot is a lousy place to debate religion, because so many people have a religiously fanatical attachment to one or both of these bad translations of Evolutionary theory, and don't know the facts of the matter are the chief thing that disagrees with them, not the people they are criticising.
Who is John Cabal?
Most people (in the US) ARE thick, both literally and mentally.
So today the universe apparently is 99.99999% matter / 0.000001% antimatter -- What about the possibility that when the universe started it began as 50.00000000001% matter / 49.99999999999% anti-matter, and the observable universe today is 'simply' made up of the remaining 0.000000000002% that didn't annihilate itself billions of years ago? Even if matter/antimatter each have an equal chance of getting created, randomness is not perfectly distributed. If you roll a set of dice an infinite amount of times, you WILL from time to time end up with weirdly skewed results that may appear non-random, even though they are. Since we happen to live inside this universe and have no way of observing any potential failed precursor universes, we have an observation bias to our particular outcome -- there could be a near-infinite amount of alternate universes with matter and antimatter perfectly distributed which completely annihilated themselves before the universe as we know it today ever came info being.
"explain why God can pop up from nowhere, or why he can be eternal" --- I totally read that as "explain why God can pop up nowhere, or why he can get email"
because if we were made of anti-matter, we could have called it matter and we would be asking the same question of the newly named anti-matter (that used to be matter).
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>Time never 'started'. It has always been.
That's certainly not the currently accepted theory, which holds that space and time were created in the big bang, and "what existed before that" is a meaningless question, because there *was* no before. At least not in a traditional temporal sense.
>Humans have a 'will'
There is actually a great deal of debate about this question, it's very possible that "will" may be an observer-based phenomena that only appears to exist from a very specific perspective, not unlike centrifugal force. Personally I find the theory counter-productive since by definition if its true it doesn't matter, while believing it if it's false is potentially horribly destructive to the human spirit (be it metaphysical or metaphorical)
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I remember asking Dr. Forward that at LACon II, back in '84. He pointed out that a sphere of antimatter could only react to normal matter on its surface, limiting the speed of the reaction. He said that it wouldn't explode, it would evaporate and that it would look something like a drop of water on a hot griddle.
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You vastly overestimate the importance of a comment made by someone who cannot spell "quarter".... ...or posts on slashdot for that matter. (haw haw)
It just doesn't matter.
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The article makes the point that there's a significant amount of matter in the interstellar space within our galaxy, which suggests that if other stars in our galaxy were made out of antimatter instead of matter, we would know about it because we'd detect annihilations. But can we say the same about intergalactic space? The article glosses over this question and skips to pointing out that we don't detect annihilations within other galaxies. What if those other galaxies are mostly antimatter, but there's essentially no matter to annihilate in intergalactic space? (Perhaps because it already annihilated in the early universe. Could that be the source of the CMB?)
A finite sized Rubik's cube's states make a finite graph, so you can traverse it and find the necessary steps.
Wouldn't any other setup be unstable? M/A collision leads to burst of energy. Energy gets converted back into MAtter via some other process. Does it get converted into M or A? If there's a bias on one direction or another, that one wins; but if it's a 50/50 split than you just need a little push in one direction or another and one side wins because the "wrong" side keeps getting hit with stuff that kills it and pulls it back through the energy cycle.
Of course IANAPhysicist and this seems like a very obvious PoV which means it's almost certainly wrong.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
Actually, they don't have to explain it, because science doesn't require everything have a time or point of origin or first cause, only things that proceed through time from a beginning to an end. It was a perfectly good scientific theory that the universe itself was Steady State. It had no beginning, just limitless forming of new stars as old ones died off, for eternity. Steady State didn't lose out in scientific circles because it was considered basically illogical or unscientific, but because evidece accumulated pointing to a moment of origin, the Big Bang. Science allowed for things which didn't need an origin or a cuae for that origin just fine. Ergo, an uncaused and eternal God is only unscientific if you believe that it's fundamental to science that all explanations be natural, but said God is not knocked out as a hypothesis just because it is causeless.
You're offering an argument Carl Sagan made in the book version of Cosmos. It only works as seemingly logical because he treats something as a rhetorical question, even though he gave a factual answer to that question 20 pages earlier, and that's the real reason why it's not a good argument. Science didn't get to throw out the Steady State because it violated a fundamental rule of science itself, it had to amass evidence, and that's why science is worth admiring. That puts the ball in the Atheists court - It may be up to the religious to offere evidence for God, but it's also up to any person using science to support their position, to consider all hypothisi they know of that might contradict the one they favor, and not exclude them a priori. I don't have any particular evidence for God as a scientific hypothesis. If you have active evidence for Non-God as a hypothesis, go for it, but you should stop trying to take the shortcut of throwing the idea out before actually allowing weighing the evidence. That shortcut is an a priori assumption, it's not one that is standard to the scientific method, and using it means you just turned science into a religion. .
Who is John Cabal?
I don't know why it's assumed that the universe started out with equal amounts of matter and anti-matter, but assuming that it did, it still seems to have started out with some seed of asymmetry in the manner in which matter is distributed, as we see in the distribution of matter in the cosmos today.
So couldn't the asymmetry in amount of matter and antimatter arise from that?
For example, here's an idea I've had using my very limited understanding of such matters and I'd be happy if someone explained why I'm wrong.
I was wondering what would happen if a matter and an antimatter black holes collided, after reading a bit on the subject it seems that once the black hole is formed the information about what it was formed from is lost so they would be both just black holes and merge if they collided.
Now another aspect of black holes is Hawking Radiation which is supposed to produce radiation at the edge of the event horizon drawing on the mass of the black hole for energy.
So assuming the black hole doesn't retain the information about what formed it, the radiation would constitute photons and equal amounts of matter and antimatter by the random chance of which particle from the pair formed at the event horizon falls in and which escapes.
So then if a star formed from only matter or only antimatter (since a mix of both would fly apart) and collapsed into a black hole, and it was left to radiate Hawking radiation, wouldn't it essentially convert one type of matter into energy and equal amounts of matter and antimatter, violating the symmetry?
And if the universe happened to start out in such a distribution of matter and antimatter that there were slightly more denser regions of antimatter than matter, then a small violation of the symmetry would emerge, the rest of the matter and antimatter annihilate and there would remain a small remainder of matter.
Everybody on this site should know it takes a full pound of antimatter just to destroy a sweet smelling, funny looking cloud of fog with sparkley bits
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Who is John Cabal?
How do we know that most of the universe is made of matter? What tells us that the big bang didn't send matter in one direction and anti-matter in the other? Can we tell that entire galaxies aren't made up of anti-matter versus matter? I'm not suggesting that I know anything, I'm really asking anyone who knows... Does light from antimatter tell us one way or another?
As soon as physicists solve the problem of antimatter the antimatter bomb will be created.
It will be the size of a coin and could literally destroy literally a quoter of a planet. This is how civilizations end in the Universe.
And that is why we do not hear any intelligent radio transmissions from other star systems.
I think you're overestimating the yield a bit there. From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...
Antimatter production and containment are major obstacles to the creation of antimatter weapons. Quantities measured in grams will be required to achieve destructive effect comparable with conventional nuclear weapons; one gram of antimatter annihilating with one gram of matter produces 180 terajoules, the equivalent of 42.96 kilotons of TNT (approximately 3 times the bomb dropped on Hiroshima.
You'd need several kilograms worth to do as much damage as the current collective nuclear arsenals on the planet, and even all of those would barely scratch the surface of the planet, the real long-term damage would be from the radioactive fallout, which wouldn't be an issue with antimatter.
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No, they don't usually say that, because there is no scientific way to know that.
IMHO what they "usually" say is either "God is not necessary to explain the process of the Big Bang," (a la Lawrence Krauss, a pretty staunch atheist) or "Creation did not happen literally as described in Genesis," which is 100% correct and we can prove it to the extent that we can rely on our senses and physical law. If God messes with physics, all bets are off because you can't even believe what your eyes are telling you about the world right this instant.
Speak for yourself! I'm made of melancholic and caring disapproval.
I hadn't the slightest objection to his spending his time planning massacres for the bourgeoisie... (P.G. Wodehouse)
There's a video of someone asking astronomy graduates from an Ivy League university what causes the phases of the moon and the seasons, and most cannot answer.
And I graduated from a state school known for its quality engineering programs with a degree in CS, and half my graduating class could barely write HTML, much less actually code.
Unfortunately, the reality of a modern college education has become more a matter of opportunity than actual rigor. I would love to see colleges failing out half their freshman classes - except, that ignores the reality of the modern college as a business rather than an institution of higher learning. Bad for business, having a reputation for "firing" the majority of your clients.
Make no mistake, you can still get a lot out of a college education - I like to believe I took full advantage of my time there. But you can also get by with an insultingly high GPA (we can't just "pass" them, every precious little snowflake deserves A's, dontchaknow) just by showing up.
That said... I have trouble believing that astronomy graduates can't visualize how the steadily changing angle from which we view a 50% illuminated sphere gives rise to the appearance of "phases"... The light half of it shadows the dark half, and we see part of both from a sideways perspective.
What confusion? There's no contradiction there.
"A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head."
Since the quantum vacuum allows the creation of pairs of particles that are the opposite of each other I would assume that there is another universe that is composed of anti-matter to balance out ours. Or maybe half of our universe is anti-matter. Somehow the matter and antimatter got separated.
citation for the ivy league thing ? (highly doubtful)
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We wouldn't be calling it anti-matter, we would just call it "matter" and would be still asking the same question.
So there are really only 2 scenarios.
Priest: "Universe from nothing, no laws of physics, sped up time"+ huge discrepancies. Creationism? No. Big Bang Theory
I've always been suspicious of the Standard Model's insistence that the big bang consisted of nearly equal parts matter and antimatter. The assumptions made by observation of certain particle collisions need to be reevaluated. Much of this seems to because of a belief that time is single dimensional and that mass has no effect on the flow of time, although if you really look at relativity and quantum phenomenon it is obvious that neither of these is the case. Instead we invent the artifacts of dark matter and dark energy to explain away inconsistencies that these assumptions make.
The observable universe is not the entire universe. Our observable universe could be surrounded by antimatter.
Maybe the antimatter surrounding the observable universe is destroying the outer parts of our matter pocket and that is why our universe is expanding -- into it!
From a scientific standpoint, no, they don't have to explain it - because it's a philosophical question. From a philosophical standpoint, if they make such an assertion as "everything that exists must have a cause, except the First Cause" (Prime Mover argument), they most certainly DO have to explain why one is allowable and the other is not.
And if Aquinas failed to answer satisfactorily, there's little hope that these scientifically illiterate philosophy neophytes will be able to do it. They're just parroting creationist apologists who also can't come up with an answer other than "the Bible says so."
Finally, you're under the mistaken impression that Buddhism is a religion, and it is not.
It wasn't at first. Unfortunately whenever someone has a philosophy that they try to make accessible to people who don't entirely understand it, those people invariably built rituals around it that have little to do with the actual philosophy. Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism, etc all started as philosophies but were gradually converted into religions, albeit not ones centered around a deity in the Judeo/Chrisian/Islamic tradition. Buddha is definitely revered as a sort of god.
It's possible to practice Buddhism without treating it as a religion but this appear to be relatively uncommon in actual practice.
If only the misleading /. headlines from the Glenn Beck school of Journalism didn't link to shitty, advert infested blogs 99.999% of the time.
Not this crude matter.
Depends what field of astronomy you work on. The seasons are a product of the specific orbital dynamics of Earth - and only Earth. They're not generalizable to any other planet, and they only matter to planets in the first place provided the planet has sufficient tilt or the orbital plane is suitably inclined (but not so much as to be non-sensical - i.e. Uranus).
They also only matter really if you're studying planetary atmospheres/surface conditions.
"An object stays at rest unless acted on by an outside force" I find it amusing that you use pseudo-scientific language to "disprove" scientific claims.
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The phase of the moon isn't an astronomy question? I recently went through the phases of the moon with my 7 year old in preparation of his first eclipse. He knows the difference between waxing and waning, and how to tell the difference (in multiple unrelated ways). I'm sure I'll have to explain it another 10 or so times before he gets it, but any high school student with an interest in astronomy should understand the phases of the moon and tides (including perigean tides) and shouldn't get dumber in college.
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I have "faith" my car will start in the morning. That doesn't mean I am disallowed in understanding cars, or that understanding them is hard.
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That's certainly not the currently accepted theory, which holds that space and time were created in the big bang, and "what existed before that" is a meaningless question, because there *was* no before. At least not in a traditional temporal sense.
I didn't think a rejection of functioning time before the big bang was a requirement of the big bang. It's undefined. Whether it did or didn't happen doesn't affect what comes after, so it's an irrelevant question, not proven wrong.
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The big bang and evolution are orthoginal.
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Everyone successfully avoided reading the articles and launched into wild speculations that ignore all the evidence presented in the story.
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I thought the grand structure of the universe included enormous bubbles of empty space beyond our event horizon, strung with filaments of baryonic matter. Maybe there are places where there is more antimatter than matter? Maybe there is as much matter as antimatter, but since they annihilate each other, we can only exist in an area that has very very little antimatter, so it seems like to us, there is an imbalance.
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Protoplasm. Quiet Protoplasm. I like quiet protoplasm.
Is it feasible that a sentient being could be made of energy?
Antimatter is going the opposite direction in time. So during the big bang, matter went one way in time, antimatter the other, never to physically touch. Consequently, we never see the equal portion of antimatter.
The reason for the seasons is a fourth or fifth grade science subject. Of course astronomy graduates ought to be able to answer such simple questions.
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Yo dawg, I heard you like the Ackermann function, so OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD
Humans have a 'will'
There is actually a great deal of debate about this question, it's very possible that "will" may be an observer-based phenomena that only appears to exist from a very specific perspective, not unlike centrifugal force. Personally I find the theory counter-productive since by definition if its true it doesn't matter, while believing it if it's false is potentially horribly destructive to the human spirit (be it metaphysical or metaphorical)
Ahh, the illusion of agency. We have no idea how our brains do what they do, but we're more than happy to take all the credit for it, as if we were somehow responsible for the particular configuration of neurons and electrical impulses that create whatever the hell sentience is. Don't get me wrong, I'm just a guilty of doing it as everyone else, it's just something I've thought about frequently. I've found myself doing things I can't explain enough times to realize there's more going on with sentience, will, and the like than meets then eye.
Celebrity worship is a poor substitute for Deity worship and costs more to boot.
Were you making an alliterate joke, or was that a serious complaint about my use of orthoginal?
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I don't think 1960s Michelle Nichols had to travel to an alternate universe to get hit on.
Exactly. It's like asking a math major whether you can multiply and divide in any order, and they don't know. Pathetic.
How do you know if the galaxy you are looking through a telescope at is made of matter or anti-matter?
It's not as though it emits anti-light, so why the confident assertion?
I've heard it stated a hundred times, but have never seen this explained.
If we're sure everything started as 50% matter and 50% anti-matter, and now we are nearly a pure matter universe, my uneducated guess would be that there is something in the nature of matter-antimatter collision that, in addition to creating energy, would also leave behind a small amount of residual matter. That could explain how over these billions of years, we are left with a mostly matter universe. If this has been proven impossible, please someone yell at me and tell me otherwise. I recall reading that they often generate antimatter in particle accelerators... have they ever done specific research on the results of matter-antimatter collisions?
And that is why we do not hear any intelligent radio transmissions from other star systems.
But does it explain why there's apparently no intelligent postings on Slashdot?
There were originally equal amounts of facts and anti-facts. Computer Scientists are still trying to explain why anti-facts now make up 99.999% of the postings.
it's simple... facts are boring... anti-facts, better known under the scientific term "made up stuff", are much more fun....
you might want to read this "A Universe from Nothing: Why There is Something Rather than Nothing" by physicist Lawrence M. Krauss
"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
Maybe we are the ones made of antimatter and what we consider to be antimatter is asking "why are we made of matter".
On the other hand, keep in mind that any and all of these "surveys" showing people being dumb will keep going until they've managed to cherrypick enough dumb answers to make the casual observer believe that this represents the norm. Maybe they asked 500 astronomy grads and 5 of them were dumb, and those are the only 5 they showed. Since those kinds of articles/videos/exposees tend to be looking to titillate, not inform, it is entirely believable that it's all just cherrypicking for the purposes of supporting a false pretense.
I've been to alot of the world. I'm guessing you haven't, because if you had, you'd find that this is generally a universal invariant among humans.
Maybe not everyone is as thick (literally) as the average American, but they're gaining ground rapidly, because it's generally only through economic inability to be "thick" that they are. Make everyone as rich as Americans, and everyone becomes fat. Seriously.
And in terms of mental "thickness", well I can assure you, that's the same absolutely everywhere, already.
At the time of the big bang, matter and anti-matter should have been made in roughly (if not exactly) equivalent amounts... but the distribution of that matter might not be perfectly even. It could be that in our half of the universe, matter slightly (percentage-wise) out-massed the anti-matter and annihilated it while in the other half of the universe, the opposite happened. We have to remember that much of the universe could lie beyond the limit of the visible universe. Another thought is that matter and anti-matter could have the same relationship as positive and negative numbers. If you add them together in equal amounts, you get 0, but if you square them first, then their sums are positive. So what does it take to "square matter?" Is it possible that anti-matter has it's own form of nuclear fusion? If you fuse anti-matter with anti-matter, do you get matter? I know this is all hypothetical and way within the realm of speculation, but it could be possible.
Not in the slightest.
For one thing, a very common nucleus-antinucleus collision product will be a spray of neutrons and antineutrons. Both of those penetrate very well at these energies, and would typically travel up to a metre or so through water. So the annihilation "surface" is really a volume between a couple of metres thick (for dense matter) up to a few hundred metres thick (for sea-level air).
Secondly, the annihilations will also create a lot of high-energy products that are absorbed locally, raising the temperature to billions of degrees and converting everything nearby into highly turbulent expanding plasma. Even without the mixing and penetration, a "coin" of antimatter meeting matter would expand faster than any nuclear detonation.
The original premise of a coin blowing up half a planet is way out of scale though. A coin (of say 10g mass) would only release energy comparable to a small nuclear weapon.
Look up the afterlife dysfunction on youtube for an idea that should challenge your perspective on reality... basically the universe is simply X amount of data that is in every possible superposition of quantum states. If the universe could be represented in 1's and 0's (quantum physics suggests it can be... or at least each of its possible configurations can) then the big bang is simply when all matter existed at the same point at (0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, ... nth) where n is the number of dimensions. As this is a possible universe configuration, then it does exist in some sense. It's a lot easier when you stop thinking about the big bang as the beginning, but as the Null value of the universe.
There is a simple answer.
Antimatter generates a negative space-time curvature (aka gravity).
Not how reacts antimatter to space-time. Both reacts the same. Instead, which curvature generates antimatter (it is not the same how reacts to gravity and which gravity generates)
If this is correct, then antimatter exists in intergalactic space as ultracold antihydrogen, basically indistinguishable from normal hydrogen, dispersed and incapable to create planets or stars because "repels" itself. Because is so weak, there is not huge collisions that reveal it.
So, this gas generate a "repulsion force" like dark energy, and resolves the problem "where is antimatter?".
What is mind? No matter.
What is matter? Never mind.
It's like democracy: 51% tell 49% what to do.
Table-ized A.I.
Are we made of matter? Or are we dancer?
The same basic principles involved in the phases of the moon are important in figuring out the albedo of other objects in the solar system. Or in other solar systems. Same with the seasons. These are basic concepts that apply throughout astronomy. I mean seriously, you do realize that, space telescopes aside, astronomy is done from Earth, looking out at the rest of the universe. Some basic understanding of how Earth moves is pretty critical to making any observations from the surface of our planet.
Okay, matter must have been created by an outside force. Let me know where the outside force came from.
Actually "On the origin of the species" only can explain races, and in fact does a very poor job at that, which is why on his sixth edition, Darwin retracts the ideas he wrote on the first edition.
Basically, the changes described in the book are just variable parameters inside the same species. You can make the arms larger, the beak rounder, skin color darker, but at the end, the species remain the same. Despite the enormous variability in dogs through selective breedings for hundreds of years, they remain the same species and all their differences would disappear if let to mix freely for a few generations.
But I'm willing to wager it has something to do with Chuck Norris.
True generally, but I'm pretty sure it would have to be a topsy-turvy alternate universe for Ms. Nichols to get hit on by George Takei. ;-)
I think it is useless to try to answer the question of 'Why' the universe is mostly matter as opposed to anti-matter until we have determined that the universe *is* actually composed mostly of matter.
It seem the main reason for thinking that the universe is mostly composed of matter, is that we see little or no sign of matter/anti-matter annihilation coming from the border between regions of each. This entirely assumes that if there are regions of each that they have significant borders with each other that have sufficient amounts of either matter or anti-matter at their border for the observed annihilations to be significant enough to be noticed.
With the incredibly vast distances between galaxies, not to mention the vast distances and relative sparseness of inter-cluster space, would it actually be expected to see significant annihilation zones if there were entire clusters or super-clusters composed of antimatter? Observations of the planets, stars. and galaxies in clusters composed entirely of anti-matter would not differ in the least from their equivalents composed of matter.
It is still entirely possible, and not at all improbable that the ratio of matter to anti-matter in the observable universe approaches 50:50.
Let's not ask why, until we know there is a why to be asked.
Actually, we are all made of antimatter. It was just misnamed "matter" because it's a shorter word.
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
Because it's all we've got.
- Zav - Imagine a Beowulf cluster of insensitive clods...
However, an anitmatter bomb of the same size as the (presumably) largest chemical explosive (1375 tons), has a yield that is comparable to the dinosaur killer impact...
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... not this crude matter.
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1. What if - on the event horizon of black holes - when particles and antiparticles are created, only the antiparticles are sucked into the black holes and the particles (matter) is able to escape the event horizon?
Over time, (a crapload of time), there will be a surplus of particles in the universe.
2. Also, we can only see the universe as far as light has traveled to us since the universe started.
We don't really know its extent. What if antimatter and matter are compartmentalized in different regions of the universe, with only a smattering of "the other" in areas where one is prevalent?
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This would be how Minecraft works.
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Is the beta made entirely of anti-matter?
The reason that we're given in 4th or 5th grade (the earth's tilt) is overly simplistic though.
There's certainly the possibility of causal linkages extending prior to the big bang, but they could not have occurred in the dimension that we consider time, because that did not exist yet. And without time, space, or the laws of physics as we know them, all of which are believed to have been created in the first instants of the big bang, what came "before" the big bang will likely remain forever completely unknowable.
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Clearly the outcome does not support assumption that the amount was equal at the start knowing what we know about symmetry.
As soon as physicists solve the problem of antimatter the antimatter bomb will be created.
It will be the size of a coin and could literally destroy literally a quoter of a planet. This is how civilizations end in the Universe.
You vastly overstate the yield of an antimatter weapon.
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No, he's exactly right.
"It will be the size of a coin" Say, the size of a quarter (25 cent piece).
"and could literally destroy a [quarter] of a planet" If you brought it into contact with a quarter made of matter...
Of course, the resulting explosion could do damage to some of the other matter on the planet.
But, it would only "literally destroy" (well, convert to energy), the matter in the quarter.
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present day Cosmology needs reevision- to catch up with Nature and Philosophy
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The subjects of Matter and Antimatter are not understood with comprehension
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Never mind.
HK-47: Explanation: It's just that... you have all these squisy parts, master. And all that water! How the constant sloshing doesn't drive you mad, I have no idea...
Dammit, Jim! I'm a doctor, not a spelling geek!
But all those high energy gamma rays from the annihilations would give you cancer. So it's a cancer coin.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Oh my!
Has this one got off on a wrong footing, or is it that conversations where most of the people who post have nothing knowledgable to say head off to some state of lowest energy, a Ground State, where all topics decay into political and religious memed canned arguments?
Were it not for Dark Matter the OP would seem more relevant five or ten years ago than it does now. Given that it is now thought that matter as we know it, matter that interactls via Maxwell's Laws, is not the main mass constituant in the Universe, that the relationship of Dark Matter to cosmology is a tad more important than the lack of symmetry between matter and antimatter. The OP could have come from a time wrap, although I know that there are still important issues about symmerty breaking events in the early history of our Universe.
So there is good confidence that Dark Matter exists, but we don't know yet what it is, galaxy clusters and galaxy dynamics behaves as though matter. that has gravity but otherwise does not interact with the visible matter, can model how what is visible is moving. Here computers are key tools in the argument. I should say that it might be more important for us to pay attention to what Dark Matter might be.
It is overly simplistic on the surface but it is the correct answer, although the reason is far more complex and students are free to read up on it further in the library, or online.
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"[time, space and the laws of physics] are believed to have been created in the first instants of the big bang"
Spacetime is more complicated than that; the resolution of the Hole Argument is that spacetime is meaningful in the presence of "clocks" in the most general sense (harmonic oscillators are a typical example) but it is not material in itself (i.e., manifold substantivism is wrong).
We do not know the equation of state of the very hot dense universe but there are good reasons to believe that there were generalized "clocks" subject to spontaneous symmetry breaking that led to the familiar quantum fields and their generally covariant and internal symmetries (another way of saying the "laws of physics"). Thus, spacetime at most "emerged" rather than being "created"; however more likely it was there all along, even in what we would consider "before the big bang" using the Robertson-Walker scale factor as a clock.
A singularity that exists under all changes of coordinate systems poses the problem that geodesics cannot be traced through them; additionally in the limit of merely a extremely dense phase covering what became our Hubble Volume, gravitational effects will play an unignorable role in the evolution of (Schroedinger equation or path integral formulation) quantum systems, or equivalently the behaviours of sufficiently energetic quantized mass-energy will play an unignorable role in the determination of the (general relativity) metric. That type of singularity may not ever have existed, and work on reconciling quantum mechanics and post-Newtonian gravitation may find a way to make sense out of more and more of the early universe. However, even if quantum gravitation resorts to something very different than general relativity's smooth manifold (which is the background for semiclassical gravitation, which works very well even in quite strongly curved spacetime), there will be a correspondence between spacetime in one framework and spacetime in the other, and the physics in one model will correspond to the physics in another in at least the weak field limit.
It is therefore unnecessarily pessimistic to think that what came "before" the big bang will likely remain forever completely unknowable. It's reasonable to suggest that anything prior to the start of cosmic inflation won't be known for decades or longer, however.
You can charge what the market will bear, but you first have to establish a monopoly,
I would love to see colleges failing out half their freshman classes
Wouldn't you prefer that they create conditions where students learn a lot more? After all, failure isn't an objective.
You realize how many people believe there is a dark side of the moon? Even ones who haven't heard the song?
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
Yeth, they are mentally thick.
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
Because God has no material form or component. It's trivially easy to prove that He can't, as every body who puts in the 20 minutes or less to figure out that demonstrates; it's the folks who confuse existence with material existence that get stuck there. That brings up the interesting question, can something like a concept, or a Platonic ideal, or some such (Pythagoras' theorem, for instance) that exists in the theoretical universe exist before/after the universe? Of course, before/after has no meaning in the absence of matter, but let's say can it exist in the theoretical universe without the material universe? Or could you say "Pythagoras' theorem requires actual physical triangles for its existence"? that doesn't sound right either.
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
You of course have faith that the universe exists, existed previous to this instant, and will continue to exist for at least a bit in the future.
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
Is God on Facebook, and will He/She friend me?
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
It's contingent causes all the way down.
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
Time is a function of matter and energy, and changes thereof; as with other such concepts, it only exists as an explanation of observed phenomena that answer certain questions. As in, how many swings of a particular pendulum, or orbits of a particular planet around its star, or random disintegrations of a radioactive isotope occur between event A and event B? We generalize on that and call it time. But it's as meaningless without material stuff as the concept of velocity would be. As Einstein (for instance) demonstrated, the concept of a universal time that extends throughout the universe independently is wrong, it's a local phenomenon, dependent on local parameters. As such, to think of it as some sort of universal metric that extends "prior" to the actual universe is meaningless.
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
Will is one of those intervening variables Skinner warned against, because they are unobservable in themselves and add nothing to the model. "Humans have a 'will' and try to further it most all the time". What does this mean, as distinct from "Human behavior tends to be organized so as to maximize certain results and minimize others". How do we measure the will? By looking at behavior. How do we affect the will? By subjecting the owner of it to certain experiences. Is there any way to see the will directly? Well, I feel like I can see mine but that's not very scientific, but I can't detect anybody else's other than by their behavior, and I can't affect it other than by altering their experiences. So, what does the will gain me, rather than the behaviorist statement "Human behavior is strongly affected by their experience and involves positive emotion when the results correspond with the stated aim, and negative emotion when they don't" or similar. More specific "If you starve a person, it develops and strengthens in him a will to feed. We measure this will to feed by how much effort he will expend to gain the opportunity to feed, and see that it is greater when he is starved, thus the will is increased." vs. "If you starve a person, he will expend more effort to gain the opportunity to feed." The will is the equivalent of those conceptual models of people which feature little metaphorical people who live in their heads and run the controls. Doesn't get you any further in explaining anything.
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
Actual real life example: the toddler who watches a lot of DVDs (remember those?) and roughs them up to the point where they mostly have some short periods where they hang, before going forward; and finds that clapping her hands "makes the DVD unstick itself". That's 'will' in action. That kid knows that her will is driving the DVD to unstick, via clapping her hands, just as much as you believe your will drives you to read this post. Of course, all the studies that show activity in the motor cortex before there is a corresponding activity in the frontal cortex, i.e. you start doing something before you decide to do it, and similar. All the subconscious and unconscious and so on activity that goes on; you can say there is an unconscious will, but that's starting to dilute the concept. However, if you think about it, that does leave a place for.... not 'will' but 'won't'. The brain activates in the motor cortex first, then the frontal cortex, then the motor activity stops. The guy says "I decided not to do it". I'm not joking; deciding to overrule automatic/reflexive/unconscious type activity might be the entire sphere of our conscious control.
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
Maimonides postulated that you can't say anything definite about God; you can just negate what others say. "God is a material being" "No, he obviously isn't". "OK, God has no material qualities" "We'll, he can affect the material world, so I don't know about that...." (for quibblers, see also: the mind/personality is not a material item, but it can affect the material world) etc.That was a thousand years ago, but people still haven't tumbled to the truth of it.
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
No they don't. They say that the existence of God is not the kind of question that science can answer. Science can't answer "is blue prettier than red?" either, but that doesn't mean it denies the existence of colors.
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
Isn't somebody who fixes misshaped female genitalia an orthoginist?
Our whole universe was in a hot dense state, Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started. Wait... The Earth began to cool. Yep, that's the big bang theory alright, I'd know it in my sleep.
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
Quite so. Where things become interesting is in the closely related concept of free will. Do I possess a meaningful agency in the world, or can my actions theoretically be perfectly predicted from past experiences and the random quantum noise that influences the firing of my neurons? And if the latter, how can I possibly be held responsible for my actions, be they glorious or vile? How can we honor or condemn anyone for their actions if in truth they had no choice as to performing them? Rationally we must credit Hitler no more nor less than Ghandi, for both simply played out the role they were given with no more volition than a rock falling to the ground.
And that to my mind is a hideously corrosive precept to adopt into society. Obviously if true we have no choice in the matter, but if false... Well, it behooves us to reject such a belief any time we seem to have the choice. It's the only rational option.
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Ah, so a theory has been modified and made more accurate by new information? Good. Science is working then.
There is no "species barrier" to be broken in genetics. Look at ring species; populations adjoining each other can interbreed, but species on the opposite sides of the "ring" cannot.
All very interesting to contemplate, but it has absolutely nothing to do with the reality we actually inhabit. Show me any evidence for a "theoretical universe," then we can talk.
I put it on the shelf next to: "Whoa! What if reality is imaginary, and imagination is reality?"
As somebody pointed out to me once, if we truly had free will, then the concepts of things like punishment or advertising wouldn't work at all. The entire structure of civilization is based on the ability to alter other people's behavior to suit ourselves. "Give me food!" "My free will tells me to keep my food." "What does your free will say to cash?" "My free will has suddenly done an about face". At some point, the concept becomes meaningless if you can manipulate it.
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
Wouldn't you prefer that they create conditions where students learn a lot more? After all, failure isn't an objective.
If I believed in the trivially-false progressive delusion that no dumb kids exist? Sure. I would also prefer that the Rockefellers give everyone a gold-shitting unicorn when they turn 18.
In this world, however, a good three quarters of people shouldn't go to college. If we want to elevate the "trade" schools to have a "similar" status (with a wink and a nod), hey, great. But when we push everyone to go to college and then half the incoming freshmen need to take remedial math and English... Then no, failing half the freshmen out in their first semester would provide the greatest benefit to everyone. It would save those who don't belong there a ton of money; and when when you pack a real class with morons, they distract from the actual instruction time for people who do belong there.
TLDR: Yes, Virginia, there are stupid questions. And you waste the class time I paid for by asking an awfully lot of them.
/ Hint #1 that you don't belong in college: If you feel the need to waste class time arguing with the professor about how he grades (particularly about how much partial credit he gives wrong answers) - Just go home.
Can We Please stop W/The whole "politically correct"(it's hip 2 hate GOD B/S Rhetoric...I Shall Sum it ALL UP 4 U.Since We Are ALL Walking and Talking on This place called EARTH,IT IS IMPOSSIBLE 4 ME 2 convince the Atheist/Agnostic skeptic that THERE IS A GOD-Just as it is simply IMPOSSIBLE 4 U TO CONVINCE me THAT there isn't!!
There is a whole spectrum that lies between 100% self-determination (immune to all outside influence), and 100% deterministic (no free will at all).
Think of it like gently rolling a ball down a hill with a complicated convoluted surface just steep enough to keep the ball rolling. It may be difficult, but you could theoretically predict the exact path the ball will follow. Make an identical throw a dozen times and every time it will follow the same path. Now try doing the exact same thing with an occupied gerbil exercise ball of the same size and mass - it will start out following the same path, but then the gerbil will spot something it wants to go toward or away from and start running, changing the path of the ball. Sometimes it may get stuck rolling down a channel too steep for it's efforts to dislodge it, other times it may cross wide smooth areas where it can change course easily. The one thing it won't do though is follow a predictable path. Each identical throw will follow a different path as the gerbil's attention is caught by different things. Your ball has, apparently at least, been bestowed with free will.
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Uh, where do YOU think it came from? If you say "God," then you have to explain why God can pop up from nowhere, or why he can be eternal, but nothing else can. Oh, wait... it's "ineffable," sorry.
Besides, no one has given any reason why existence itself must be subject to cause and effect; only things that already exist can be observed to hold to that law.
They don't want to explain anything, they only want to attack and denigrate the evil, evil science at every crossroad. If there is *anything* that science can't explain, the cause must of course be supernatural (god). Look up the fallacy "god of the gaps". For some, this is not a search for truth.
Are you a grammar Nazi? I'm trying to improve my English; please correct my errors!
Whatever you believe is the purpose of higher education, you can't really believe that freshman-level mathematics and sciences are delivered with adequate pedagogy.
Of course schools should not accept students unless they think those students will succeed. The reason only 35% of enrollees successfully complete freshamn calculus has little to do with the abilities or the descipline of the students. High schools have great difficulty finding good calculus teachers, but colleges just assign instruction to the lowest level graduate students who can pass a language-competency test.
"Maimonides postulated that you can't say anything definite about God"
God is just an undefined word in human language, it is a composite of a human being + magic. That's all god is, it is the ultimate 'tribal leader' it is imaginary and hence natural. It derives itself from the natural world (human psyche + magic). This is why ancient gods all have human qualities. So yes you can definitely say definite things about the "gods" of the past, since all words are derived and composed from the natural world. The problem you have is that you don't know enough science about how the language systems in the brain work and how it composes statements. Consider a Unicorn, technically "unicorns don't exist" but that statement is in fact meaningless because the Unicorn DOES exist, it is a composite of the concept of horse (drawn from the natural world) plus horn (aka a horn shape, idea drawn from the natural world of other animals).
So unicorns *do exist* in the sense that natural idea horse + natural idea (gemetric relation pointy edged shape called horn) = unicorn.
The way you naturally think in language obscures the reality of how concepts are conceived in language, if we go back to the original human being who first coined the concept of god we can put our modern selves in his place and see how he is deriving the concept from the natural world, first deriving it from his own psyche + the unknown (aka non scientific world, so he just plugs in "magic").
The problem is most people don't know that their brain is a simulation, it is a mere representational space created by unconscious processes they don't understand. So the mind REALLY doesn't live in reality to a large extent. Most people are not fit or educated enough to understand themselves or much of their worldview.
Check out the science:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
By coincidence, I just read this to my kid the other day.
We watched the video of it first, but the written text is so much funnier than an otherwise confusing-conceptually video set in a diner.
A 21st century issue: the irony of technologies of abundance in the hands of those still thinking in terms of scarcity.
"You barge into discussions with your off-topic hosts file nonsense" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Friday April 11, 2014 @09:51PM (#46731153) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
You said my "APK Hosts File Engine" is a virus/malware http://slashdot.org/comments.p... but it's EASILY PROVABLE it's not, right there in that link too.
Now PROVE YOUR FALSE ACCUSATION above: Show me a quote OR POST of me posting off topic on hosts where they did NOT apply... go for it!
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You avoided backing up your accusation where YOU said I say you are Barbara, not Barbie = TomHudson (same person http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... , & sockpuppeteer like you) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Funny you can't back up your "bluster" there either, lol...
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Why, Lastly?
You're crackers! See here multiple personality disorder http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + manic depression http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> So, THIS quote below is my policy on sockpuppeteers like you Zontar = TrollingForHostsFiles (your sockpuppetry):
"The only way to a achieve peace, is thru the ELIMINATION of those who would perpetuate war (sockpuppet masters like YOU, troll -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ). THIS IS MY PROGRAMMING -> http://start64.com/index.php?o... & soon, I will be UNSTOPPABLE..." - Ultron 6 FROM -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Which quite obviously, I am, since none of you DOLTISH TROLLS are able to validly technically disprove my points on hosts enumerated in the link to my program above of how hosts give users of them more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity... period!
(Trolls like YOU that use sockpuppets http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (your sockpuppet "alterego" TrollingForHostsFiles) & TomHudson - Barbara, not Barbie too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... before you)
... apk
"You barge into discussions with your off-topic hosts file nonsense" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Friday April 11, 2014 @09:51PM (#46731153) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
You said my "APK Hosts File Engine" is a virus/malware http://slashdot.org/comments.p... but it's EASILY PROVABLE it's not, right there in that link too.
Now PROVE YOUR FALSE ACCUSATION above: Show me a quote OR POST of me posting off topic on hosts where they did NOT apply... go for it!
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You avoided backing up your accusation where YOU said I say you are Barbara, not Barbie = TomHudson (same person http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... , & sockpuppeteer like you) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Funny you can't back up your "bluster" there either, lol...
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Why, Lastly?
You're crackers! See here multiple personality disorder http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + manic depression http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> So, THIS quote below is my policy on sockpuppeteers like you Zontar = TrollingForHostsFiles (your sockpuppetry):
"The only way to a achieve peace, is thru the ELIMINATION of those who would perpetuate war (sockpuppet masters like YOU, troll -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ). THIS IS MY PROGRAMMING -> http://start64.com/index.php?o... & soon, I will be UNSTOPPABLE..." - Ultron 6 FROM -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Which quite obviously, I am, since none of you DOLTISH TROLLS are able to validly technically disprove my points on hosts enumerated in the link to my program above of how hosts give users of them more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity... period!
(Trolls like YOU that use sockpuppets http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (your sockpuppet "alterego" TrollingForHostsFiles) & TomHudson - Barbara, not Barbie too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... before you)
... apk
"You barge into discussions with your off-topic hosts file nonsense" - by Zontar The Mindless (9002) on Friday April 11, 2014 @09:51PM (#46731153) FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
You said my "APK Hosts File Engine" is a virus/malware http://slashdot.org/comments.p... but it's EASILY PROVABLE it's not, right there in that link too.
Now PROVE YOUR FALSE ACCUSATION above: Show me a quote OR POST of me posting off topic on hosts where they did NOT apply... go for it!
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You avoided backing up your accusation where YOU said I say you are Barbara, not Barbie = TomHudson (same person http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... , & sockpuppeteer like you) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
Funny you can't back up your "bluster" there either, lol...
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Why, Lastly?
You're crackers! See here multiple personality disorder http://slashdot.org/comments.p... + manic depression http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
APK
P.S.=> So, THIS quote below is my policy on sockpuppeteers like you Zontar = TrollingForHostsFiles (your sockpuppetry):
"The only way to a achieve peace, is thru the ELIMINATION of those who would perpetuate war (sockpuppet masters like YOU, troll -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... ). THIS IS MY PROGRAMMING -> http://start64.com/index.php?o... & soon, I will be UNSTOPPABLE..." - Ultron 6 FROM -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Which quite obviously, I am, since none of you DOLTISH TROLLS are able to validly technically disprove my points on hosts enumerated in the link to my program above of how hosts give users of them more speed, security, reliability, & anonymity... period!
(Trolls like YOU that use sockpuppets http://slashdot.org/comments.p... (your sockpuppet "alterego" TrollingForHostsFiles) & TomHudson - Barbara, not Barbie too http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... before you)
... apkb