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Declassified Papers Hint US Uranium May Have Ended Up In Israeli Arms
Lasrick (2629253) writes "Victor Gilinsky and Roger J. Mattson update their story on the NUMEC affair to take into account the recent release of hundreds of classified documents that shed additional light on the story. In the 1960s, the Nuclear Materials and Equipment Corporation (NUMEC) was found to be missing about a 100 pounds of bomb-grade uranium. Based on available evidence, Gilinsky and Mattson are convinced that the material ended up in Israel nuclear bombs. The newly release documents add more to the story, and Gilinsky and Mattson are calling on President Obama to declassify the remainder of the file."
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I think this has been known for many decades
I thought this was well known, just unofficial.
Hell, it even made a Tom Clancy novel!
I mean, how do you report that to your insurance agent anyway?
You sure that's not missing a few 0s?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Thank you Tom Clancy, for preparing us for this moment when we realize that we'll steal our own nuclear material and give it to our "allies" so the Israelis will "lose it" so it ends up in the hands of someone in the long list of people who'd love to target us using our own material.
There is no way the Israelis would give away or lose the material you say? Yea, that makes sense as well...
"If it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet"
It was made at February, 1968, Savannah River, US. The stuff from K-reactor was stolen by US itself and given to Israelis. This is all common knowledge.
Shocked I say!
great more religouous nuts having access to nukes
The US government is run by jews.
No, the reality is that the US government as well as the Israeli government are run by criminals.
And since the Israeli are alway protected by their sugar daddy, they can commit the most heinous acts without repercussions on the international scene. Yeah it's almost a given they have nuclear weapons. Israel is as bat shit crazy country as they come (some of it justified, most of it not).
Maybe the US should ask that uranium/plutonium back. And while they're at it impose the kind of economic sanctions they they impose on another country THAT DOES NOT HAVE the bomb. Hypocrisy all around.
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This is quite disgusting of Slashdot to be spreading bigotry and hate in this day and age. This article should be removed immediately for spreading antisemitic conspiracy theories.
The Israelis would use a nuclear bomb as a last resort to keep what they have, a tiny strip of land.
Their adversaries and a few other rogue states and groups are not above using a nuclear bomb to get what they want, a tiny strip of land or even the whole western world.
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and who else A ) could have supplied and B ) could have supplied little isreal but greater isreal.. this is hardly a new theory and there is probably not enough left in classified stuff still to prove it anyway. there were even less places in them days to source from. the russians would'nt,uk coud'nt,france yes if price was right,so that only realy leaves greater isreal that could and would.and did.another international criminal act,carried out by americans with usa gov knowledge and help but we will never see even anyone charged let alone face an international court.
Wasn't this covered in a non-fiction book called "The PLUMBAT Affair?"
Actually, I have two oppinions on this matter
1.) if a country is in possession of nuclear weapons,
they should join the nuke arms test & proliferation ban
Israel should join this treaty.
No army and nobody should own nuclear weapons.
And Mordechai Vanunu should be given the chance to go exile.
2.) Israel is a special case
a.) The country is actually nothing more than an airstrip, from north to south it's approx. 200km wide. If aggressors try to invade it's a really short walk.
Or just four thermonuclear devices to split a country.
b.) Israel would never use the nuclear bomb as a first strike option. This can be seen as it never officially admitted having nukes, but everybody knew. It's a much critized politic style - but it worked - and choses nukes as a means of mutually assured destruction or retaliation.
So actually I'm ok with Israel having nuclear weapons and german fuel cell drivin subs to launch them.
But to be clear on the other point when it comes to Israel:
I'm absolutely not ok with the politics Israel undertakes towards the palestineans, the actual worst enemy for peace in Israel( In my count Gaza and west jordan area are part of Israel) is the whole politics of blame and shame.
I agree that the Israelis would only use the bomb as a last resort - just don't see how they could do that and still keep their strip of land. Besides, if the issue is preventing Israel's enemies from getting their own nukes, and one of the primary reasons those enemies can cite for pursuing them is "Israel has them, so why can't we", then the best way to end the middle east arms race would be for israel to give up its nukes in exchange for a US promise to retaliate against any nuclear strike against them.
Perhaps Israel didn't trust the US as an ally in the 60's, but they have no other reliable friends now - so they better start trusting us.
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You may have hit on something there, as 100 pounds of highly enriched uranium would constitute less than went into the Little Boy weapon that exploded over Hiroshima, Japan, in 1945; judging from various online sources, that weapon contained about 64 kilograms of HEU, and 100 pounds amounts to only 45 kg. On the other hand, the design of the Little Boy weapon was (again, judging from online sources) highly inefficient. My rough guess is that 100 pounds of HEU would be enough for two or three weapons that employed an efficient design.
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Actually it currently appears if you are an ally of the USA you will need nuclear weapons to protect yourself, because despite claims that the USA will help you they won't when it comes to it. You will have to endure harsh language from the USA if you choose this option
If you are an enemy of the USA, you are free to build nuclear weapons without the harsh language and the USA might even help keep other countries off your ass while you do so, see Iran.
If you have cattle in the west, that is unacceptable to the USA government and armed agents will be sent out immediatly to take care of the issue.
Yes, the USA government will treat its own citizens far harsher for having too many cattle then they will an enemy state making nuclear weapons. What does this get you? Russia invading Ukrane with no consequences.
Oh, wait. AIPAC! Anti-Semitic! Only democracy in the Middle East!
Saddam should have spent a few hundred million on lobbyists - he could still be in power. Just look at the Saudis.
Why bother trusting the US when they can simply use AIPAC to bribe our representatives into doing what benefits them?
...we're seeing that, when push comes to shove and certain people are in charge, the "promise" of the United States doesn't mean squat.
Nukes in the hand are worth an infinite number of promises and strongly-worded letters...
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I agree that the Israelis would only use the bomb as a last resort - just don't see how they could do that and still keep their strip of land.
Well, if the US has all the ICBMs only for defense, why have them when they won't have their strip of land either after an attack regardless of whether they use them or not? Same logic.
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This happened almost 50 years ago, seriously, who cares?
Those who do not understand history are doomed to repeat it.....
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Tom Clancy told us this in the Sum of All Fears, the great book; not the horribly butchered movie...
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Their adversaries and a few other rogue states and groups are not above using a nuclear bomb to get what they want, a tiny strip of land or even the whole western world.
The construction of this statement is priceless if not vague, inaccurate and worthless. The intersection of adversaries of Israel and lunatics particularly is quite laughable.
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The use of the nuke for the Israelis is to preserve their land to continue living on it. I would agree having nukes is a deterrent. The risks of nuclear fallout seem the greater risk.
I think you are speaking about Iraq and not Israel
When are we going to put sanction on Israel over their Nuclear Arms program?
This land was taken by force, and the natives (continue to be) interned and executed. The surrounding areas do not pick on Israel because the people are Jewish, but because those who call themselves Israeli commit both crimes and crimes against humanity. Start with this book bt prof Chomsky:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fateful_Triangle
Hell, a potato gun qualifies as a WMD under US statute.
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No - something much worse - it's run by Americans.
Nothing much has changed in the last 30 years. The US still has intrests in Israel and the middle east. Everyone knows Israel has nuclear weapons but can't prove it and that is just the way Israel likes it. Israel was on the brink of extinction in 1973 and no WMDs were used this proves remarkable self restraint. Accusing Israel of a 50 year old crime would serve no practical purpose. It would hurt relationships with Israel it will harm the peace process it would harm the fight against WMDs because it would show the truth we are much more concerned about dictators with WMDs then we are about democracies.
Note that uranium is extremely dense - 19.1 kg/liter - so we're not talking about a huge amount of material. 100 pounds is only about 2.4 liters - a little more than a half-gallon milk carton.
..and this is bad... why exactly?
I would say there is a slight difference.
The Israelis would use a nuclear bomb as a last resort to keep what they have, a tiny strip of land.
Their adversaries and a few other rogue states and groups are not above using a nuclear bomb to get what they want, a tiny strip of land or even the whole western world.
Which strip of land? Israel or the West Bank? I agree that Iran has said some worrying things and Israel seems a nice place to live filled with generally pleasant people. But they are without a doubt the aggressors in the current conflict and having nukes is one of the factors that has emboldened them to adopt such an extreme strategy. Now their enemies having nukes is a really scary proposition because Israel has adopted an extremely aggravating position predicated on the idea that their enemies are powerless to harm them.
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How does weapons-grade uranium go "missing", don't they mean someone stole the uranium ..
To discover that one of the USA's middle eastern client states might have been provided with the materials for nuclear weapons just in case the USA had to throw a bomb or two at a particularly stubborn oil producing country without making the USA itself an immediate target for nuclear retaliation.
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The Israelis would use a nuclear bomb as a last resort to keep what they have, a tiny strip of land.
The real concern though is how far are they willing to go these threats. People who believe a higher purpose guides their destiny have a diminished sense of responsibility and should never be allowed to possess nuclear armaments.
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war college text republished.
OLLLLDDDD news that various entities including W.German intel, the CIA and MI6 participated in providing fully enriched yellowcake to Israel.
Part of the payoff for various assistance by Israel in providing Russian war equipment to the U.S. for ECM testing and training.
They never paid the 3.8 billion due for the ship and cargo that they stole for war purposes.
Oh?
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You also seem blind for the recurring fact no Arab government wants to admit these well educated Palestinian refugees in their own country.
This all does not make good the illegal settlements the Israeli's continue to build on what effectively is occupied Jordanian and Syrian land.
"The likes of Facebook and WhatsApp are free to those whose privacy is of zero value."
Oh?
From parent following statements are valid:
I don't know exactly who is considered "adversaries of Israel" I do know there are some dozen countries who don't recognize Israeli passports and more than half will either throw you in jail or not let you in if you so much as have an Israeli stamp on your passport. At least one such country already has nukes.
While I'm sure there really are people or groups of people who would actually Nuke x if they could for reason y this represents a tiny subset of "adversaries of Israel" .. the same statement probably holds true for just about every country in the world making it rather worthless.
How does weapons-grade uranium go "missing", don't they mean someone stole the uranium ..
Um, hello..... half-life???
If it can be proven publicly, I don't see how there can be any choice, but to institute a regime of sanctions against this regime.
Israel is now far more dangerous than Iran, in that it probably now has nuclear weapons. How ironic, given the Israeli hypocrisy in accusing Iran of building nuclear weapons, that they should have illegally being doing so, themselves.
Given its history of ethnic cleansing and genocide, is probably the most likely regime to use them. So, it remains to be see, whether the ridiculous double standard of American foreign policy will persist, or if this nuclear armed expansionist ethnic cleanser regime will be punished for its assembly of an arsenal of weapons of mass destruction.
Eagle eyed readers who consume the entire article will note that it is 100 kilograms not 100 lbs. 100 kilos is more than twice as much material as 100 pounds.
But no, we don't agree.
I did cast a wide net, the adversaries of Israel might or might not be the same as the rogue states.
What they do have in common is a wish to drive Israel back into the sea and they usually consider The West an accomplice of Israel or vice-versa.
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I agree that the Israelis would only use the bomb as a last resort - just don't see how they could do that and still keep their strip of land. Besides, if the issue is preventing Israel's enemies from getting their own nukes, and one of the primary reasons those enemies can cite for pursuing them is "Israel has them, so why can't we", then the best way to end the middle east arms race would be for israel to give up its nukes in exchange for a US promise to retaliate against any nuclear strike against them.
Perhaps Israel didn't trust the US as an ally in the 60's, but they have no other reliable friends now - so they better start trusting us.
If I was the Israelis, I would not trust the USA, even to the extent of pausing a meeting to go for a bathroom break. All too often the USA has let down its partners, and screwed them left, right and center.
Suppose Israel had the weapons (which so far, they have never claimed to have) and they gave them up. As Israel is a small country, comparable to Rode Island in size, would Israel exist by the time the USA reacted? I can just imagine the haggling in Congress as the months go by to decide if they should help Israel, and then under what conditions.
If Israel is going to disappear, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, and Iran, all of these ideologies will disappear, with their lands not habitable for generations. Masada on a larger scale.
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That's it just skip away from the facts that the world trusts the Israelis not to do crazy things with nuclear weapons and we don't trust Iran, etc in the same way.
Just skip into backbiting.
Start with this book bt prof Chomsky:
Or one could choose to avoid reading anything by that assclown.
People who believe a higher purpose guides their destiny have a diminished sense of responsibility and should never be allowed to possess nuclear armaments
And that's why we try to ensure that the sand niggers don't get their grubby little mitts on any nukes.
I'm sorry, but I don't trust those in power in Israel as far as I can throw em.
So speak for yourself. Many people believe (rightly so, IMO) that Israel is just as bat shit crazy as its neighbors.
You may 'believe' that, but some people believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster with just as much proof.
You mean they don't weigh the stuff, tell me more, provide citations ...
-- "CIA’s conclusion at about the same time that Israel previously stole bomb-grade uranium from a US naval fuel plant" ref
:) great argument!
You have convinced me!
It isn't their land. See U.N. map of land ownership in Palestine, 1946