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New 'Google' For the Dark Web Makes Buying Dope and Guns Easy

First time accepted submitter turkeydance (1266624) writes "The dark web just got a little less dark with the launch of a new search engine that lets you easily find illicit drugs and other contraband online. Grams, which launched last week and is patterned after Google, is accessible only through the Tor anonymizing browser (the address for Grams is: grams7enufi7jmdl.onion) but fills a niche for anyone seeking quick access to sites selling drugs, guns, stolen credit card numbers, counterfeit cash and fake IDs — sites that previously only could be found by users who knew the exact URL for the site."

156 comments

  1. Since when is every search engine Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Remember back in the day when we had other search engines? Yeah, most of them were kinda terrible in comparison to Google. Every time I hear someone refer to their search engine as "Google for..." they've also been terrible. Google became king of search because they were so much better than everyone else.

    1. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. No one remembers the days before Google. History has been rewritten.

    2. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by n1ywb · · Score: 4, Informative

      I remember Archie. And Veronica. And I just got the references after all these years.

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    3. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      And, before FTP, there was Kermit...

    4. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be mistaken. No one remembers the days before Google.

    5. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by mspohr · · Score: 2

      I remember Alta Vista... the best search engine in its day... now it just redirects to Yahoo :(

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    6. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yahoo being about as good as bing for search nowadays...

      I take it there's not a whole lot of comments because everybody's on TOR browsing summary address.

    7. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      I take it there's not a whole lot of comments because everybody's on TOR browsing summary address.

      Ah, in that case, don't worry.

      They'll be back the day after tomorrow, when tor has returned results...

    8. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by Nikker · · Score: 1

      And Zmodem :)

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    9. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since gram patterned their site to look like google

    10. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by fred911 · · Score: 1

      Kermet was just a terminal emulator. Before FTP we used Zmodem.

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    11. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by arth1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      zmodem was several generations newer.
      kermit -> xmodem -> ymodem -> zmodem

      I still use uucp, by the way. For communicating with faraway sites where the connection depends on a shaky cell phone connection that may or may not be up, it's a pretty good way of moving e-mail and logs.

    12. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by user32.ExitWindowsEx · · Score: 1

      I tried using Google to search for articles on the era before Google, but it returned nothing.

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    13. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by davidwr · · Score: 3, Funny

      I take it there's not a whole lot of comments because everybody's on TOR browsing summary address.

      Ah, in that case, don't worry.

      They'll be back the day after tomorrow, when tor has returned results...

      Now there you go again, being overly optimistic.

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    14. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      ...and before TOR, there was gopher.

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    15. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, life before Google returns approximately 1,890,000,000 results, and that phrase specifically returns about 98,000 results.

    16. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Google became king of search because they were so much better than everyone else.

      With emphasis on "were". Good luck searching for something without having them messing up you query with their "intelligent parsing". They should have a checkbox labeled "I know what I am looking for".

    17. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yahoo being about as good as bing for search nowadays...

      I should hope, as Yahoo search is powered by Bing.

    18. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      exactly, that was B.G. - before google, now we live in the A.J. times, - after jobs

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    19. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was, briefly, a search engine for the WWW called Jughead. It got renamed WWWW (World Wide Web Worm) rather quickly, as I recall. It didn't scale and disappeared.

    20. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by Blue+Stone · · Score: 1

      It's just that "Google" has become lazy shorthand for "search engine", that's all.

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    21. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's a shame that they've ruined their search engine to the point that Bing is better.

      Besides, I had no problems using AltaVista or Hotbot.

    22. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gopher was the predecessor to HTTP, not Tor.

    23. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you sure about that? I thought Kermit and ZModem were unrelated evolutions, more in parallel than Kermit being a predecessor (or successor) of ZModem. It becomes pretty obvious when you look at features, Kermit and ZModem send filenames to the other end, while XModem and YModem do not. XModem does show off that it is older since unlike the others it doesn't have any sort of error detection.

    24. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Are you sure about that? I thought Kermit and ZModem were unrelated evolutions, more in parallel than Kermit being a predecessor (or successor) of ZModem. It becomes pretty obvious when you look at features, Kermit and ZModem send filenames to the other end, while XModem and YModem do not. XModem does show off that it is older since unlike the others it doesn't have any sort of error detection.

      They're unrelated - X/Y/Zmodem share a heritage,but kermit is unrelated. However, it seems obvious that X/Y/Zmodem was attempting to provide the file transfer capabilities of kermit, making it simpler to both install and use. BBSes embraced it, and X/Y/Zmodem had its days of glory. Nowadays, kermit has overtaken Zmodem and Ymodem-g, so it has possibly gone full circle.

    25. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by Samizdata · · Score: 1

      And you only got Zmodem if you were lucky and connected to the right node with it installed. All but a few ran Kermit.

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    26. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by Samizdata · · Score: 0

      So, not so much. I binged a Unix library related to the current OpenSSL rampage.

      Then I googled it.

      Google results - 7 pages.

      Bing results - 0 results.

      About the only thing Bing really seems good at searching is porn.

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    27. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They all sucked compared to HS/Link.

    28. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by thunderclap · · Score: 1

      I do. I remember alta vista and hotbot and lycos. Then came google and crushed everyone save bing. That sad pathetic attempt Microsoft offers.

    29. Re:Since when is every search engine Google? by n1ywb · · Score: 1

      What does that have to do with search engines?

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  2. If it lets you find guns and drugs easily... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...it'll let the Feds find them just as easily....

    Or does anyone seriously think the NSA can't use this service just as well as Random Internet Idiot?

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    1. Re:If it lets you find guns and drugs easily... by Wrexs0ul · · Score: 5, Funny

      ...it'll let the Feds find them just as easily....

      Or does anyone seriously think the NSA can't use this service just as well as Random Internet Idiot?

      Who says the NSA doesn't run the site?

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    2. Re:If it lets you find guns and drugs easily... by russotto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who says the NSA doesn't run the site?

      I think ATF or DEA is more likely.

    3. Re:If it lets you find guns and drugs easily... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like Fast and Furious?

      http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/atf-fast-furious-sg,0,3828090.storygallery#axzz2zNkfk1Vt

    4. Re:If it lets you find guns and drugs easily... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, NSA takes the orders and passes on the orders to the ATF/DEA who does the dropshipping.

      They got to get rid of all the shit they seize somehow. Presidents and Congress Critters amazingly don't use it all up.

    5. Re:If it lets you find guns and drugs easily... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      1) If I'm someone who was into finding this illegal stuff, I surely would find my information somewhere other than Slashdot. (And slashdotters are typically smart enough to find their illegal stuff through less trackable means anyhow, if they were so inclined)

      2) If I'm not someone who is into finding illegal stuff (this is my correct category), I wouldn't click on this from Slashdot anyway.

      The only logical purpose for this link being on Slashdot is to popularize a site to collect data and/or lure people into a site to arrest/blackmail them.

      Typically, I don't begrudge people for the seemingly random things that appear on Slashdot, but this certainly doesn't belong.

    6. Re:If it lets you find guns and drugs easily... by rmdingler · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I would rather hit myself in the head with a brick than purchase something illicit from a stranger over the internet.

      How do those culpable enough to consummate such a transaction afford it after giving all that money to the Nigerian Prince?

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    7. Re:If it lets you find guns and drugs easily... by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      How do those culpable enough to consummate such a transaction afford it after giving all that money to the Nigerian Prince?

      If ever there was a moment to say, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it does," this was it.

    8. Re:If it lets you find guns and drugs easily... by newbie_fantod · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how this would profit them - unless there is some unknown backdoor in TOR.

    9. Re:If it lets you find guns and drugs easily... by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      How do those culpable enough to consummate such a transaction afford it after giving all that money to the Nigerian Prince?

      If ever there was a moment to say, "You keep using those words. I do not think they mean what you think they do," this was it.

      FTFU.

      Fixed that for us.

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    10. Re:If it lets you find guns and drugs easily... by davidwr · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure how this would profit them - unless there is some unknown backdoor in TOR.

      Unknown back doors - as opposed to those backdoors known by secret-government-types?

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    11. Re:If it lets you find guns and drugs easily... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      After reading the submission, I would dare to think this is an attempt at entrapment by law enforcement, more then likely it's the Feds at work here.

      Not to be obvious, but Tor in my opinion is a complete failure, there seems to be so many holes in their system, that it too seems to be a decoy network for perhaps government spying, or it was a sincere network but is substitutable like every thing else on the internet.

        I think people forget just because you read a NSA memo targeting certain networks, doesn't mean they aren't part of the network. Its called misdirection, if you want people to use a network, without suspicion then you name it as a target. The stuff Snowden claims he grabbed up doesn't have anything in it other then what most people already knew, the US is leading a international spying ring, and the US is spying on its own.

      I not completely a believer in the notion that certain networks are connected into government but I do get suspicious when something is just announced publicly! As does everyone else...

    12. Re:If it lets you find guns and drugs easily... by Cito · · Score: 1

      Well ordering pot and hash oil worked at least

    13. Re:If it lets you find guns and drugs easily... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only logical purpose for this link being on Slashdot is to popularize a site to collect data and/or lure people into a site to arrest/blackmail them.

      It's an experimental takedown technique - bring down illegal sites by slashdotting them.

    14. Re:If it lets you find guns and drugs easily... by cellocgw · · Score: 4, Funny

      Unknown back doors - as opposed to those backdoors known by secret-government-types?

      Well, you know, there's known backdoors, unknown backdoors, and known unknown backdoors,...

      We'll have to invade TOR.

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    15. Re:If it lets you find guns and drugs easily... by kheldan · · Score: 1

      Who says the NSA doesn't run the site?

      Who says the NSA hasn't been running TOR all along? Sounds like a great way to fund black projects to me!

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    16. Re:If it lets you find guns and drugs easily... by Samizdata · · Score: 1

      Well, as I seem unable to connect to them currently, I suspect they might already be having issues, whether due to Slashdotting/Streisanding or LE...

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  3. "Llets you find?" by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    Must be the textual form of that secret masonic handshake. Of course, must keep the dope and guns among us brothers!

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    1. Re:"Llets you find?" by Opyros · · Score: 1

      It's how they spell "Lets" in Llamedos.

    2. Re:"Llets you find?" by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 1

      I'm starting to think the increasingly shitty summaries are some form of cry for help.

      Of course I haven't actually read the summary so I wouldn't know.

    3. Re:"Llets you find?" by mt1955 · · Score: 1

      ack -- posting to undo mod error

    4. Re:"Llets you find?" by davidwr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ack -- posting to undo mod error

      Ah, you must've found the +1 solameitscool super-secret modification option that people with "6" Karma get to use if the computer throws a 20 on the roll of the dice when it give you mod points.

      Sorry you mis-used it, it will be awhile before you get another chance.

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    5. Re:"Llets you find?" by mt1955 · · Score: 2

      that is soooo close -- almost spot on -- how did you guess?

      actually, I wanted to rate it Funny and Coincidentally-I'm-Reading-Soul-Music-Riight-Now but I hit the the Overrated option instead -- the poster never deserved that so I had to post to undo it

      (note to self; never drink gin+Campari+Cointreau+lemon while moderating)

  4. I never get invited by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks, Slashdot! I never get invited to the cool shit like this! Wait, what? All the cool dudes have moved somewhere else already?! Fuck you, Slashdot, you've ruined everything!!

    1. Re:I never get invited by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      If by cool, you mean too hip to post much, I feel you.

      Take off that mask Alpha Charlie, we welcome your traitorous ass back in the fold.

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  5. NSA, all the way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    If people think the NSA isn't all over the dark web, they be dummies.

    1. Re:NSA, all the way by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If people think the NSA isn't all over the dark web, they be dummies.

      The NSA isn't that concerned with where you buy your pot. They aren't even that concerned with where the local gangbanger buys his guns, or where the local perv sources his kiddie porn.

      If you're going to wear the tin foil hat at least direct it at the appropriate three letter agencies: FBI, DEA, ATF, et. al.

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    2. Re:NSA, all the way by DriveDog · · Score: 1

      The US government (stupid to lump it together, but saves me from having to list all the names of individuals) claims to have made communications between agencies a top priority and that it functions well. If we assume that's 90% wrong, then that leaves 10%, plenty, of cases where NSA passes stuff on to assorted agencies under the Justice or Treasury or State or Interior or Defense or Homeland Security Departments (which did I miss that should be included? Labor? Agriculture?). So, maybe splitting hairs, but NSA may very well be the one spotting your dope deal on the tubes, while some TLA agency actually knocks your door down. Sure, all the TLAs have their own monitoring, but probably none are nearly as sophisticated as NSAs, so they might accept tips from NSA occasionally, even if reluctantly. Of course, parallel construction, to hide the primary information source, may be required.

    3. Re:NSA, all the way by strikethree · · Score: 1

      Except that the NSA has taken to giving data to the FBI, DEA, and ATF to prosecute people for these "smaller" crimes. Parallel Construction ring a bell?

      The NSA was cool when it was about national security. Now that it is "dirtying" itself with petty crime, it is not so cool.

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  6. Altavista? by mmell · · Score: 2

    (n/t)

    1. Re:Altavista? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I really miss the NEAR keyword. Unless you're searching for a specific phrase in quotes, it was the best way to search.

  7. Good. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    Now the FBI and the Sheriff would be able to set up stings more efficiently. If they ever got around to learning how the tubes connecting the computers work.

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    1. Re:Good. by mysidia · · Score: 2

      The real hidden service URL probably just changed.

      The site advert'd in the Slashdot article is probably itself a "Sting" operation to tag members of the public for the purpose of building a blacklist for the /real/ search site at some URL we don't know about.

    2. Re:Good. by arth1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Now the FBI and the Sheriff would be able to set up stings more efficiently.

      FBI and the Sheriff? You have no real insight in how law enforcement works here in the US of A, do you?

      There are dozens(!) of different police forces, and they seldom cooperate on anything, but try to not step on each others' toes. A sheriff is county police and would not be involved in any international or interstate crime sting. Speeding tickets, serving divorce notices, arresting the busker in front of the strip mall, signing reports of items stolen, sit in cars at local road work - that's the sheriff's department. Investigative work to catch internet facilitated high crime is not going to involve the sheriff.

    3. Re:Good. by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 2

      To be fair, the parent is probably some furriner who watched all of the Great John Wayne's movies. He should be praised for this and the ignorance he has acquired should be rewarded. It's the American way.

    4. Re:Good. by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The real hidden service URL probably just changed.

      The site advert'd in the Slashdot article is probably itself a "Sting" operation to tag members of the public for the purpose
      of building a blacklist for the /real/ search site at some URL we don't know about.

      Yeah, I'm inclined to agree, that 'dark web' URL in slapped in such plain view.. screams honeypot. Pass.

    5. Re:Good. by KillDaBOB · · Score: 2

      Yes, they seldom cooperate, but sometimes the higher ups do share some intelligence with the the lower departments. Have you missed the stories where a lower department was told "be at x place at y time, look for this person and get them for any small infraction of the law, then take them in and invoke any laws you can to get more information to as related to z reason." There have been stories like this on /. for quite a while. It has happened, it continues to happen. The smaller department will get you for some small breaking of the law, then escalate because they were _told_ to look for this small thing the person was doing in order to catch them in the larger crime, all because they higher department "knew" they were up to something (because of the intelligence that the higher authority gathered through, ahem, someone legal means).

    6. Re:Good. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The point of darknets is not to hide the URLs of services, it's to hide the location of the server and the clients connecting to it. Otherwise it would be kinda useless, since to use it you would have to have contact with other users which is risky.

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    7. Re:Good. by newcastlejon · · Score: 1

      ...Otherwise it would be kinda useless, since to use it you would have to have contact with other users which is risky.

      Which is also how one usually gets a hold of stuff in the real world. Depending on what is meant by "stuff", this might not be as risky as obtaining it online.

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    8. Re:Good. by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Otherwise it would be kinda useless, since to use it you would have to have contact with other users which is risky.

      Because it's incredibly easy to distribute physical contraband without making contact with your users, or risking revealing your identity or your user's identity: in case either buyer or seller is actually a LEO or hired informant?

    9. Re:Good. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Yes. Think about what you are saying for a moment. Silk Road ran for years with only a small number of users/sellers being caught. They went after the person running it instead, because the site community made it very difficult for LEAs to operate there. If it where any other way it would not have been so popular.

      Also, trying to rely on security through obscurity would be extremely dumb. The moment an LEA got the address the whole game would be up.

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    10. Re:Good. by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Also, trying to rely on security through obscurity would be extremely dumb. The moment an LEA got the address the whole game would be up.

      Yes.... once their operation gets big or important enough... they are basically guaranteed that the feds will find out.

      Hell... the NSA are probably already surveilling any/all high traffic Tor nodes to locate IP addresses associated with "important" or "popular" nodes in the network, then surveil those, until they have mapped the topology of the Tor network; then sharing pertinent info with the FBI when detected that some nodes might be running a service such as Silk Road or Illegal Goods search.

      A Tor hidden service does not work against well-funded adversaries who can make efforts to "trace the traffic"

      Ultimately point A has to receive some bits and Point B has to receive and send a lot of bits, or the pairs of endpoints don't communicate.

  8. Me and TurkeyDance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'Scuse me. TuckeyDance and I. We put out some good shit so we know the quality is first row first hand.

    1. Re:Me and TurkeyDance by turkeydance · · Score: 1

      i accept your accolade to return yours.

  9. I hate to agree with an A/C, but... by mmell · · Score: 5, Informative

    what he said. While countermeasures can mediate the risk, you should assume that anything you send out electronically can be intercepted, decrypted and traced back to you. You can take steps to make this extremely difficult (hopefully more difficult than catching you is worth), you can certainly take steps I personally couldn't overcome without too much effort; but beating the intelligence gathering capabilities of one or more governments is at best an uncertain proposition (IMHO).

  10. Bitcoin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm really surprised that not one person has mentioned bitcoin in the summary, article, or comments on both websites.

    It must play a central role here; does this mean that it's now taken for granted?

    1. Re:Bitcoin by rmdingler · · Score: 2
      Counting you it still got in before 30 posts.

      The great Godwin of my age.

      That wound will never heal. I will carry it the rest of my life.

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    2. Re:Bitcoin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The great Godwin of my age.

      That wound will never heal. I will carry it the rest of my life.

      I'm sure this sounded more dramatically quotable in your mind, but I assure you it was the alcohol talking.

    3. Re:Bitcoin by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      Well done sir.

      To be fair, it was subconsciously narrated with Gandalf's voice.

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    4. Re:Bitcoin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you *did* get an upvote, so maybe people were reading it with Gandalf's voice as well.

      Or maybe the mods were drunk too, and I was practically the only one here who was not partaking in the conviviality.

  11. Well there goes the neighborhood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would guess that half the illegal sites out there are already run by the Feds in order to fund their criminal enterprises (such as Holder's DOJ gun smuggling operation). Now they will compromise this search engine with a "National Security Letter" and squeeze out the legitimate sites and replace those with phoney sting operations in order to make themselves look good.

  12. Having to know the URL, what security! by SeaFox · · Score: 2

    ...sites that previously only could be found by users who knew the exact URL for the site.

    Isn't that kinda how the Internet works. If your don't know the exact URL for a site and no one has posted a link to it on another site your do know, you're not going to reach it. It's only thanks to searching the indexing systems people can find stuff any other way.

    1. Re:Having to know the URL, what security! by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Not entirely true. I wrote a search engine of sorts once that in stage one ran DNS queries on dictionary words, and in stage two attempted to fetch / from ports 80 and 443. The results were indexed and searchable.
      Of course, the yield was pretty low, but still...

    2. Re:Having to know the URL, what security! by CtrlAltieDel · · Score: 2

      SeaFox, also if you use the search engine located at the link in this article, they all lead to yet another page where you are required to sign in. This is for each individual link that pops up when you do a topic search. Furthermore, all sign-in pages are identical. Seems this could be taken advantage of.

    3. Re:Having to know the URL, what security! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DNS queries? Why didn't you simply search by IP address, which is what DNS queries resolve to?...

    4. Re:Having to know the URL, what security! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Some webservers are configured to trigger the IDS/IPS when someone attempts to access <ip>:80 instead of <domainname>:80. The reason is that it is easier for crackers to scan for IPs than to guess DNS-names.

      The webserver Hiawatha comes to mind, which at least displays a different website for <ip>:80 accesses.

    5. Re:Having to know the URL, what security! by arth1 · · Score: 1

      DNS queries? Why didn't you simply search by IP address, which is what DNS queries resolve to?...

      Because when web hotels arrived around the turn of the millennium, web servers commonly started serving several hosts from a single IP, and the Host header in the request would determine which site was served.
      Scanning IPs would then likely only get you the hosting provider.

  13. click my dark net url :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Turn yourself in, it is the exact op I'd do if I was NSA , use slashdot and have twits not twitters click me :)

  14. Astalavista by fred911 · · Score: 0

    N/T

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    1. Re:Astalavista by Extide · · Score: 1

      even hack.box.sk before that

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  15. Re:I wish "you" would drop dead by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

    Bar hoppers? What's wrong with those of us who like to drink at many watering holes?

  16. Easily Find? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Its not hard in real life, and you have a better chance of not getting caught buying it.

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    1. Re:Easily Find? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't have a clue where to get pot 'in real life', so online services running through Tor are a godsend. Just because you don't find it useful doesn't mean no one else does.

  17. Re:I wish "you" would drop dead by bielcosmo · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    You are the person that Bloomberg has spent 50 million to protect the children of the US against this year. There is a reason that parents are just getting fed up with the gun nuts. Look at Europe. Only the military and police have guns, and crime is 1/10 of what it is here. Venezuela enacted a country wide gun ban, and violent firearm crime dropped by 1/1000. People like you are why the SAFE act and other lesligation to protect children has been enacted.

  18. Llovely! by ShaunC · · Score: 1

    Llaw enforcement will be lloving this new devellllopment, they'llll have yet another way to llook at the dark web.

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  19. What is next sexlist the craigslist for hookers an by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is next sexlist the craigslist for hookers and more?

  20. Re:Oh man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You do know today is opposite day?

  21. Re:I wish "you" would drop dead by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wow... rationalize much?

    I bet you are the AC you are responding to.

    http://www.politifact.com/trut...

    Food for thought. Would you really want to live in Venezuela? Hitler made a lot of improvements in Nazi Germany before he became the man we love to hate. Somehow I'm not sure that making the trains run on time by making it so people no longer want to ride them is a good thing. But hey, to each their own.

  22. Re:I wish "you" would drop dead by user32.ExitWindowsEx · · Score: 2

    Venezuela enacted a country wide gun ban, and violent firearm crime dropped by 1/1000.

    So it's at 999/1000ths the level it was before?

    Sure seems "effective".

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  23. Yeah, you can probably find your penis there too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Grams:
    * The search engine where you can find all kinds of things, including penises that are so small they should be illegal.

    One gram:
    * The approximate mass of the parent-poster's penis.

  24. Re:Oh man by sexconker · · Score: 0, Troll

    Ooh no woman your vagina. Little VAGINA.

  25. Kermit by davidwr · · Score: 2

    Kermet was just a terminal emulator

    Kermit allowed for file transfers.

    Wikipedia entry for Kermit, as of 23:20, 28 January 2014.

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  26. Can it find Game of Thrones before it airs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having to wait until 10:20PM is such a drag.

  27. Naval Research Lab by CtrlAltieDel · · Score: 1

    Tor was created by the Naval Research Lab; Tor was created by the United States Government. Should we believe what we are told about it's invincibility. I've read personal opinions online that basically say that even though it was created by the Navy, they were doing it for themselves and made it really unbreakable. With all events being taken into account, during the past months, I am not so sure I really trust anything concerning government any longer. A program like TrueCrypt is more safe feeling to me, now. It is not known who created it other than the True Crypt Foundation. It has successful records against the alphabets who were unable to break True Crypt hard-drives after years of trying. This fact alone leads one to believe that True Crypt is not government affiliated in any way.

  28. Jurisdictional issues by davidwr · · Score: 2

    National Security Letters work if the person receiving them is subject to US law.

    The "bully stick of diplomacy" may work of the person is subject to the law of a country that wants to stay on friendly terms with the USA.

    If this site is hosted in a country like North Korea (which we can probably rule out to to their self-imposed Internet near-exile), Iran, or one of a small number of other countries openly hostile with the US Government, it's highly unlikely that the US Government will be able to use "the force of law" to compromise the site itself. Far more likely is that they will have to sneak in covertly to compromise either it or the pipe leading to it, or they will find a way of "taking over" the URL without taking over the site itself.

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    1. Re:Jurisdictional issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If this site is hosted in a country like North Korea (which we can probably rule out to to their self-imposed Internet near-exile), Iran, or one of a small number of other countries openly hostile with the US Government, it's highly unlikely that the US Government will be able to use "the force of law" to compromise the site itself. Far more likely is that they will have to sneak in covertly to compromise either it or the pipe leading to it, or they will find a way of "taking over" the URL without taking over the site itself.

      Not necessarily, I was thinking that the search engine itself would be compromised or perhaps a phoney "look alike" site would be produced and the original hijacked using a DNS redirect ala ICE.

  29. Steganography by odor??? by davidwr · · Score: 1

    I'm sure there's a secret message hidden in your gaseous emmissions, but due to the inherent hazards of internet-stink-bombs my router refuses to pass odor packets into my network.

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  30. Wait, you mean that until now ... by davidwr · · Score: 1

    ... there wasn't any search engine for TOR?

    How were the Chinese dissidents supposed to find the tor-based hidden services on how to combat the Chinese government? After all, that's why the US Government invented TOR, right? Right???

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    Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
    1. Re:Wait, you mean that until now ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just because there wasn't a search engine didn't mean there wasn't a directory.

  31. It's a twap! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most certainly this site is run by some 3-letter government agency.

  32. Buying guns? by MasseKid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Buying guns is perfectly legal. gunbroker.com, budsgunshop.com, walmart.com. Well, to be fair the last one tells you they are instore only, but the others will gladly and legally ship straight to your FFL.

    1. Re:Buying guns? by luther349 · · Score: 1

      buying legal guns is perfectly legal. pretty sure that's not the type of guns they where talking about. more likely felines who lost that right or full auto guns.

    2. Re:Buying guns? by Zeroko · · Score: 1

      I was not aware cats were ever allowed to bear arms in the first place.

  33. Re:I wish "you" would drop dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You are the person that Bloomberg has spent 50 million to protect the children of the US against this year. There is a reason that parents are just getting fed up with the gun nuts. Look at Europe. Only the military and police have guns, and crime is 1/10 of what it is here. Venezuela enacted a country wide gun ban, and violent firearm crime dropped by 1/1000. People like you are why the SAFE act and other lesligation to protect children has been enacted.

    Each of those European States are only 1/10 the population of all 50 of the American States. In recent times, Ireland wasn't too happy about England's police and their guns for more than a century; neither was Europe's ten million and Russia's 20 million defenseless deaths a few decades ago. Canada & Australia populations are about half that of California. Unlike the U.S., the island states of Japan and Great Britain have had centuries of unilateral culturalism--only a century or so for Canada's and Australia's 20 million white people.

    Mom Protects Her Children from Armed Home Invasion
    Oldster Gunman Stops Armed Cafe Robbery.

    The gun deaths in the States, most were suicides, self defense and some stupid accidents. Stop blaming others for not taking care of your children.

  34. Guns are not contraband by hackus · · Score: 0

    In the United States you have a right, and a duty to train and learn how to use firearms effectively.

    If you don't, your government will, or someone else will and you won't like it.

    HIstory says so.

    Readng a little about why the Constitution was written like it was, and why people thought that way is a lesson every American should learn.

    Otherwise we as a nation will repeat the those same mistakes.

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    1. Re:Guns are not contraband by Noishkel · · Score: 1

      Well some of the ones listed in the link are. Or near enough to make no never mind. Pity thought because I'd be aallll over that Skorpion...

    2. Re:Guns are not contraband by HuguesT · · Score: 2

      OK, so the US government has been recently shown conclusively to lie and spy on its own citizens, not to mention sending them to die on useless faraway wars, overtaxing them and maintaining a worrisome inequality regime for the benefit of only a few rich citizen. Clearly the US gov seems to be evil. Where are the righteous citizens taking up arms and bringing down that evil government?

      Which well-armed milicia do you belong to?

    3. Re:Guns are not contraband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, so the US government has been recently shown conclusively to lie and spy on its own citizens, not to mention sending them to die on useless faraway wars, overtaxing them and maintaining a worrisome inequality regime for the benefit of only a few rich citizen. Clearly the US gov seems to be evil. Where are the righteous citizens taking up arms and bringing down that evil government?

      [All] experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

        -- Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of Independence

    4. Re:Guns are not contraband by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      In the United States you have a right, and a duty to train and learn how to use firearms effectively.

      Well, if D&N taught me anything it's that throwing all your experience into one specialzation is folly. Civilian firearms are literally kids play. I looked at the export controll list, then became a crypographer.

    5. Re:Guns are not contraband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dungeons and Nerds

    6. Re:Guns are not contraband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Civilian firearms are literally kids play.

      Yep, with a Kalashnikov even a 12 year old Afghani girl can kill a 250lb US Marine!

    7. Re:Guns are not contraband by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Which well-armed milicia do you belong to?

      The same one all the rest of the US citizens belong to. Read the Militia Act sometime.

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    8. Re:Guns are not contraband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've listened to the libertarians on slashdot for many years, and I'll keep my spying, taxing government thank you very much. No doubt after the government is overthrown, the libertarians will start executing everyone who not white, not the right kind of christian, and those who they consider "statists". Eventually they will start fighting and killing among themselves for who will control the non government government. The new final state that will emerge will be a violent, militaristic, and totalitarian. This is how nearly every revolution in history turned out.

    9. Re:Guns are not contraband by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the United States you have a right, and a duty to train and learn how to use firearms effectively.

      If you don't, your government will, or someone else will and you won't like it.

      HIstory says so.

      Readng a little about why the Constitution was written like it was, and why people thought that way is a lesson every American should learn.

      Otherwise we as a nation will repeat the those same mistakes.

      In the United States, the people that would be shopping for guns online via the "dark tubes" would NOT be passing any criminal background investigation.

      These people are known as "criminals", and they do not give a shit about our government rules, or anyone else's rules for that matter.

      Pay attention a little bit to our evening news, and the dose of reality will slap the shit out of that history lesson playing a loop in your head. You ramble on as if the Constitution still meant anything to lawmakers and law enforcers, let alone criminals.

    10. Re:Guns are not contraband by luther349 · · Score: 1

      pretty sure these are not the guns they are talking about. felons buying them black market ones that are unregistered and full autos.

    11. Re:Guns are not contraband by luther349 · · Score: 1

      if they did that there entitlement checks wont show up anymore. how do you think oboma got to stay in office welfare and entitlement..

    12. Re:Guns are not contraband by luther349 · · Score: 1

      history proves no matter how many time they overthrow whatever form of government we have sawing we will do better this time around it always brakes down into what we have now its a endless cycle. not saying are current government isn't reaching its end of life the only thing keeping them in power right now is welfare and entitlement when that come crashing down get ready for a mess. and the cycle will repeat they will be decent and small for a little wile before going right back to there old ways.

  35. I was there when TOR was young by symbolset · · Score: 1

    True forward anonymity is a useful thing and it served the myriad dissidents escaping opression which is good. Being involved in it also meant facilitating the use of others involved in slavery, abuse of minors, and so on. On balance I decided that I could not justify facilitating the downside, no matter how important the upside was. There has to be a better way than dancing with the devil. If you dance with the devil, you will pay his fee.

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    1. Re:I was there when TOR was young by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The devil isn't anonymity, it's humanity.

  36. Don't worry about getting caught though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Before they let you see anything, you probably need to check the little box that says "I am not a cop."

  37. Not very useful by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 0

    I typed Britney Spears and got only two results. Fail! I've had better luck with Pirate Bay.

  38. Re:ATTN: VLAD AND REZA LOCKWOOD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Marticock" will be high school age soon. How does THAT make you feel, Craig? 20721 for LIFE, eh?

  39. Tax by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sick of this BS about being overtaxed. They reason they have so much money to burn is because we have the 2nd biggest economy and because they love to run up debt and print money... plus it's also welfare to feed the oligarchy in a big pyramid scheme.
    The level of taxation is not horrible; it's part of the culture to bitch about taxes until they are completely gone. The wealthy capitalize on it to drastically lower their taxes while the rest lose everything they depend upon and expect for their money - regulation becomes underfunded in addition to the capturing that goes on. Plus American's can't do math which helps if people can't tell that 5% is less tax than 30% tax because the wealthy "job creators" (demi-god or job shaman?) pay more absolute $ in tax than you do. And don't forget the decades of propaganda by the financial industry that social security is insecure and requires their "help" to make it better.

  40. Re:Oh man by mindwhip · · Score: 1

    Dam... the opposite of breathing and being alive is not breathing and being dead :(

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  41. Re:I wish "you" would drop dead by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Venezuela enacted a country wide gun ban, and violent firearm crime dropped by 1/1000.

    Venezuela has a murder rate of 45.1 per 100,000 post gun-ban. Are you really trying to suggest that their murder rate pre gun-ban was 45,100 per 100,000?

    It should also be noted that the current 45.1 per 100K murder rate is ten times the US murder rate (4.5 per 100K)....

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  42. Re:Oh man by flyneye · · Score: 2

    Yeah, and now that it is newsworthy, a whole bunch of cops and agencies are going to expend as many tax dollars as they can toward doing the Silk Road bit to this Grams. Of course, someone else will start one somewhere else and more tax dollars will disappear into the aether. Done often enough, this could cut funding to Repubmocrat programs which buy them votes, while polishing the donut for the enforcement agencies. Repubmocrats, not wanting to detract from ,doing it for the children, will attempt to enact more internet control to protect their usual modus craperandi. Look for the CIA to be knee deep in Grams a la Sandinista, and the whole mess swirls round and round till it gets stuck in the plumbing and the log will have to be plunged manually.
    That was the H.S.Thompson version.
    Business as usual on the internet and D.C.
    That was the NYT version.

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  43. Re:I wish "you" would drop dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's illegal for an establishment in the US to serve you alcohol if you already appear to be inebriated,

  44. Well if you bothered to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    research the origin of TOR, you would see that it was originally developed by and for the US Navy.

  45. address by Lehk228 · · Score: 0

    hold on a second while I give my name and address to an internet drug dealer. no possible way he's a fed or anything.

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  46. Re:I wish "you" would drop dead by cellocgw · · Score: 0

    Would you really want to live in Venezuela? Hitler made a lot of improvements in Nazi Germany before he became the man we love to hate. Somehow I'm not sure that making the trains run on time by making it so people no longer want to ride them is a good thing.

    If you're going to make massively fallacious analogies to history, you might at least want to get your basic facts straight. Hitler was not the leader of Italy.

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  47. Re:I wish "you" would drop dead by sumdumass · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Who said anything about Italy being in Germany? Did you get confused when I didn't spell it out for you?

    But if you really do think I was talking about Hitler with the trains, you can check this out and suck on it.

    Section B4 of the Gestapo dealt exclusively with the "Jewish question" and came under the permanent control of Adolf Eichmann. This energetic and efficient organizer would keep the trains running on time from all over Europe to Nazi death camps located in occupied Poland during the Final Solution of the Jewish question.

  48. Re:Oh man by Samizdata · · Score: 1

    And, when I just tried it, it was apparently down.

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  49. So what your saying to don't drink and code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    gin+C+C+ [c++]

  50. Re:Oh man by DickBreath · · Score: 1

    Is it newsworthy enough that I should be interested?

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  51. Re:I wish "you" would drop dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not certain that your math is correct.

    X - 1/1,000 = 45.1/100,000

    X = 1.451/1,000

  52. Re:I wish "you" would drop dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are 200 million homes in the U.S containing firearms. Two thirds of those deaths are from suicides.

    Here's an incomplete list (incomplete due to issues with authorities and the dissemination information) of an interactive breakdown of gun deaths for 75 of the 200 countries in 2014; interactive, because you can reorder a column by clicking on the column's header to see the countries with the most deaths by accident, suicide, murder or overall total.

    Here's a reordering based on the ones with the hihest homicide rate:

    Honduras
    El Salvador
    Jamaica
    Venezuela
    Swaziland
    Guatemala
    Colombia
    Brazil
    South Africa
    Panama
    Mexico
    Paraguay
    Nicaragua
    Costa Rica
    United States

    Yes, get rid of the guns in the U.S.(that everyone likes to illegally immigrate to) so that it can become like the rest of "gunless" Latin America.

  53. But 90% of everything is crap. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the sites most trending significant subjects are porn, and weed. then in the top 20 (with the other significantly low traffic searches) are porno, sex, marijuana, cannabis. Colour me not surprised. Not really a huge shelf of illicit trades above the population here mostly just the same. Wankers got to wank. Does make it particularly curious though in some countries having or consuming hash, (or porn/escorts in some hotel suites), is a more serious crime. It wouldn't be only the American officials watching tourists.