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L.A. Science Teacher Suspended Over Student Science Fair Projects
An anonymous reader writes "A high school science teacher at Grand Arts High School in Los Angeles was suspended from the classroom in February, after two of his science fair students turned in projects deemed dangerous by the administrators. "One project was a marshmallow shooter — which uses air pressure to launch projectiles. The other was an AA battery-powered coil gun — which uses electromagnetism to launch small objects. Similar projects have been honored in past LA County Science Fairs and even demonstrated at the White House."
Imagine if these things fell into the hands of tairsts, or pediofiddlers? Someone could lose an eye.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
...from some sort of stock arrangement, where marshmallows and small bits of metal can be shot in their general direction...
Suspending a teacher over such nonsense borders on drooling idiocy or insanity. Any decent science class unavoidably teaches students to build devices that might be used to do harm. If you teach a kid in chemistry class how not to make an explosion you are also telling him exactly how to create an explosion. That does not imply that teachers should not teach chemistry.
Then Chemistry labs.
Now this. Sigh.
Lets burn the lawyers offices down. Everyone is so freaking terrified of a lawsuit that nothing happens. We have to give everyone a medal for participating, not discipline kids who tell teachers to go f**ck themselves, can't teach controversial subjects requiring critical thinking skills, can't flunk them, etc.
We are not doing them any favors when they get out in the real world afraid to take risks or wonder why their boss fired them instead of giving a raise for participation?
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I am lucky I grew up in the 80s I guess.
if you cross the streams.
This is part of the war on pretend violence which is really a war on boys who enjoy war and fighting fiction. It shouldn't surprise any man that if we give an assignment of write anything you want. That young men might write about what it would be like to be a sniper or hunt down a fish. But yet if they do that their must be something wrong with them.
Marshmallow is the perfect metaphor for the administrators of GAHS.
maybe its me but that professor looks like the professor from tintin
Lets burn the lawyers offices down. Everyone is so freaking terrified of a lawsuit that nothing happens.
Its not fear of lawyers, its an anti-gun agenda. I'm not kidding, from the article:
... nerf ... airsoft ... a .22.
“supervising the building, research and development of imitation weapons.”
Things that look or function remotely similarly to a gun are not to be tolerated. If you let kids shoot marshmallows at stacked plastic cups they might have fun, take pride in their mastery of ballistic trajectories, and you never know where that might lead
imitation weapons ... again fear of a lawsuit from a disgruntled ambulance parent.
Anything that can use force can be a weapon. Ban pencils next!
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Perhaps teaching kids that use of guns and violence in schools will not be tolerated is a good thing? Do we want to teach out kids how to use fake guns now, then careless use of real guns once in the real world? Schools need to keep zero tolerance on anything gun related if we want to see our crime rate go down (hint: Only a few countries have worse gun violence than the US... and they either have unstable governments, or no governments.)
The better thing is to actually educate children about the dangers of firearms, and how to tell the difference between real guns and toys/replicas/marshmellow shooters. I grew up playing with toy guns, but my grandfather had several real firearms that he kept in a wood and glass gun cabinet. I was taught that they were dangerous and to only touch them with my grandfather or father. Keeping children from getting exposure to guns other than in video games or on TV means that if they are over at their friend Timmy's house and find his dad's gun they start playing with it and blow little Timmy's head off. If the child knows what to do when they find a gun (don't touch it, leave the area, and find and tell the nearest adult) little Timmy gets to go to school the next day. Abolition won't stop gun violence or even get rid of guns (out of the 6 guns that I own only 3 have any documentation of me purchasing them, and one of those is a hunting rifle). But education will reduce gun deaths significantly.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
This is about office politics. The administration at his school has decided to make an example out of him, and they're using these science experiments as an excuse to make his life miserable. That's what this is really about. He doesn't toe the line, so someone with power has decided to exert their authority.
To make this about gun politics is as equally absurd as to say that we should stop kids from eating any food because there's an obesity epidemic. These science projects are no more related to actual firearms than the gas stove in your kitchen is related to a nuclear bomb. The only plausible explanation for this situation is that Schiller dared to butt heads with some administrator, and this is payback.
Large numbers of stupid people, just smart enough to read and write spotted in the greater Los Angles area.
Be safe out there. Zombie imitations may get you past them. Don't stop west of the Rock Mountains
They should ban electricity in science fair projects. Electricity is highly dangerous. People die from electrocution every year, some of whom are not even enjoying capital punishment.
Fire the administrators immediately and vote the school board out of office.
what is next basic computer skills = hacking
time to suspended the tech teaches
Perhaps teaching kids that use of guns and violence in schools will not be tolerated is a good thing?
Perhaps you're a blithering idiot. Oh, wait: there's no question about that.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
The masquerade of public education has been exposed. Liberals everywhere should move for summary judgement before this gets out of control. The usurpation of a union controlled beuracracy is in progress. The sooner Schiller and his murderous minions are brought to justice, the sooner we get back to businss as usual.
Soccer mom's need there sleep. The countless hours that will be spent at board meetings to extract the inevitable "this matter has been referred to our attorney" response will clearly interfere with the School Board's ability to screw up everything else that is on the agenda.
Forget the think of the children meme, We need Obama to come in and declare - When I was a student getting my fake degree, I had a prof that looked like Schindler.
Look, I realize I left a few jabs out. Feel free to add your own.
Gun safety is something every parent owes their children. Along with power tools, basic electrical wiring, plumbing, plant a grape vine, how to build a computer, tune an engine, build a computer and compile a Linux kernel.
Lets burn the lawyers offices down. Everyone is so freaking terrified of a lawsuit that nothing happens.
Its not fear of lawyers, its an anti-gun agenda. I'm not kidding, from the article:
“supervising the building, research and development of imitation weapons.”
Fucking exactly right. Anti-gun liberal extremists is the problem.
This will do more to make students hate Political Correctness and despise authority than simply reading that those things are bad.
Good!
BTW the Hippies were right, and now the rest of the country is discovering the Establishment DOES suck, even when run (perhaps) by former hippies.
Good.
http://spiritplumber.deviantar... This is a SLIGHT fictionalization of what happened to me when faced with a derpy administrator -- the dates and names have been changes but you can probably guess my age by the stuff referenced in. Ultimately, teachers and administrators operate in loco parentis; the parents have to get mad.
Liberty - Security - Laziness - Pick any two.
I approve of this decision. Someone finally thought of the children; just think how many lives were saved! Science is dangerous, and definitely has no place in our schools. Clearly, the children that built these have some severe mental problems, and all right-thinking people know their parents must be fat, conservative tea-baggers. The kind of violence exhibited by these devices cannot be tolerated. This is exactly why children should not be allowed to think for themselves in school; they are too unpredictable.
I'm glad we were able to stop these domestic terrorists before they killed anyone.
It's not society this time. The sickness here is all in the government schools.
But remember this: even though government schools do a bad job of teaching children in poor neighborhoods, we can't have non-government schools. Because poor kids wouldn't get a good education with non-government schools.
No, it's not necessarily an anti-gun agenda... But what's going on is Doctors have come to the conclusion that children are safest if you do not have a gun in the house at all and if the children have no concept of how a gun works, so theoretically the kid will have no idea how to use or fire a real one if the find it and maybe they'd be terrified of it because of its unfamiliarity. Unfortunately, in practice, this idea is flawed. Of course kids know how to shoot a gun. The action is designed to work on instinct so you don't forget how to use the weapon at the critical moment you need it. So if kids do find a gun, of course they can figure it out, and now that they have no firearm safety training... so... Yea, it's a stupid policy created by people that don't own guns. If they simply had the local hunters safety instructor come in and give about 5hrs of instruction per year it would go a lot further.
Sigh do not bring politics in this.
As someone who has worked in the school district I can tell you administrators need to make up good reasons to get rid of bad teachers and this is one of them and yes lawsuits prevent both administrators and staff from doing their jobs.
If the teacher said you can use this as a weapon. Then yes that would be very bad and inappropriate. If it is used to teach expansion of gas in a chemical reaction then that is a different matter.
I guess we will find out. Administrators have a reputation of being clueless. More likely they are puppets of the lawyers of school districts and need to do things like this to get rid of a few tenured bad apples.
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After shutting down all science projects that involve projectiles, we need to move against other deadly militaristic skills.
1) stop all activities that train for grenade throwing.
For example, one so-called sport has a group of five taking turns attempting to throw a projectile through a 'hoop', where it should be obvious to anyone that this is training terrorists to hurl molotov cocktails through the windows of our leaders homes as well as elementary schools.
2) stop all activities that train for Hoplite style of battles.
For example, one so-called sport has a groups of eleven engaging in pushing and shoving to get a ball to a goal behind the group.
This is clearly military practice to train for close quarters combat without firearms. No doubt their plan is to disrupt the police who may be engaged in clearing streets from deranged people such as the occupy Wall Street protestors.
3) debate clubs. Why do we need debate clubs except to train people to delude and confuse the populace? The government licensed media should provide all the news and opinions we need.
Anything that can use force can be a weapon. Ban pencils next!
I have a minor scar on my forearm that was caused by a pencil in high school. Yes, seriously.
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It really is unfortunate that they didn't ban pencils way back then, because then I wouldn't have been stabbed by the pencil-wielding psychopath.
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Captcha: armament - how appropriate.
imitation weapons ... again fear of a lawsuit from a disgruntled ambulance parent.
Anything that can use force can be a weapon. Ban pencils next!
Good point. After seeing the Joker (Heath Ledger) demonstrating his disappearing pencil trick, it's obviously a weapon. The children would realize and embrace its elegant simplicity for being able to use it kill everyone they hated. Pens and pencils should be banned, replaced with keyboards and swipe screens.
When I was a kid we were making rockets from empty soda CO2 cartridges and matches. Not in school of course, The containers were popular in the 60's, made of high strength steel. Me and bunch of my friends were shooting those rockets from the old bicycle pump tube that happen to have almost the right internal diameter. The missile was capable to pierce single layer brick wall through when launched from several yards away. One in few launches failed exploding the missile and the launcher tube with a great bang and pieces flying around. That thought us better than any school to understand the danger and the power of such devices and treat them with respect. You had to take precautions by being "safe" distance from the launcher when firing. The fuse had to be long enough to allow us to walk to the safe distance in reasonable time, we had to take shelter against failed launch. etc. Not advising to have such science project. But put that into perspective with today sissies society.
Pens and pencils should be banned, replaced with keyboards and swipe screens.
Are you nuts? Have you seen what someone can do with a keyboard? http://youtu.be/XH7CXtxOflI?t=...
At least with swipe screens their arms will be too tired to hit anyone with!
Perhaps teaching kids that use of guns and violence in schools will not be tolerated is a good thing? Do we want to teach out kids how to use fake guns now, then careless use of real guns once in the real world? Schools need to keep zero tolerance on anything gun related if we want to see our crime rate go down (hint: Only a few countries have worse gun violence than the US... and they either have unstable governments, or no governments.)
Another culturally broken catholic obsessed with turning this country into another dysfunctional society; eventually to lead the U.S. into being just another poverty stricken boot licker operation with favored families. No one will be able to help one another and everyone will be running away from everyone else to somewhere else.
(Hint: Just because you think this sounds cool, you think it's a fact based truth.). Save the favored family jackass agenda for your "peons".
I feel like a survivalist stating this, but I think it is good to teach kids some skills that are not dependent on electricity, if only how not to be completely helpless during a power outage or a disaster:
One example is basic usage and care of a generator. It is surprising how few people don't get that there is a difference between a Harbor Freight special (which is an ET800 clone of a Yamaha model made in the early 19702), versus a Honda, Yamaha, or other quality generator with an inverter (or at the minimum active voltage regulation) that puts out clean power.
Another example, something simple as planting a garden or raising chickens. Skills that may not be needed all the time, but if something does happen, are worth having.
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administrators need to make up good reasons to get rid of bad teachers and this is one of them
I could understand, if it was a good reason. But it's not, it's a shit reason.
Pointing a finger gun at school: NO.
Building a marshmallow gun: NO.
Giving real guns to children: YES.
Buying assault weapons without background checks: YES.
Yay for the second amendment, apparently. 'Merca.
... it is about tje progressive anti-gun stance ...
Progressives are *not* anti-gun, neither are environmentalists, etc. Ex. Teddy Roosevelt was known to be a fan of target shooting and hunting.
Call it what it is, the radical left. Don't let the radical left redefine and despoil the term "progressive" and they did "liberal".
... it's a stupid policy created by people that don't own guns ...
There is nothing wrong with not owning guns. Its a personal choice, OK for some, not for others.
However creating policy and regulations when you are completely ignorant and misinformed about firearms, that is something else. Some non-owners are quite well informed and not hysterical. Some owners are quite ignorant and in dire need of instructions and education.
The problem with this theory is that it sets bad policy that persists and that can affect good teachers at a later date.
This is the kind of stupidity perpetrated by leftists and yup-yupped into our society by neoliberal dolts.
Our academia needs a complete cleaning out of these devisive freedom haters.
DOnt like what I said ? Too bad its called free speech dimwit, another thing you hate ?
Remember at work it is always about the customer. Not you. Kids and parents are the customers.
Wrong-o. Society is the customer and that's why it is society, not the kids and not the parents, who pays the bill for tuition though high school.
Schiller, 43, also was the teachers union representative on the campus and had been dealing with disagreements with administrators over updating the employment agreement under which the faculty works. His suspension, with pay, removed him from those discussions.
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Its not about safety, its about removing the union rep from negotiations at the expensive of his students who are preparing for their AP exams.
Are you nuts? Have you seen what someone can do with a keyboard? http://youtu.be/XH7CXtxOflI?t=...
I laughed. I laughed out loud. The flight pattern of those keyboard letters (and the tooth at the end) flying away after that head smack was awesome.
We used highly radioactive Co-60 sources to test spacecraft electronics for radiation hardness.
We regularly used 10 liter dewers of liquid nitrogen with liquid helium coldfingers (one exploded and destroyed everything in the room).
We'd generate phosgene, silane, arsene, cyanogen, and cyanide gases to figure out the absorption spectrum of Jupiter and Saturn
With high power pulsed lasers, we'd shoot holes in polymer films
The most dangerous thing I was exposed to were the cookies at journal club. The snickerdoodles could rot your teeth at twenty paces.
Of course, this was grad school: the Lunar & Planetary Laboratory (Univ/Arizona) during the mid 1970's.
With public school and pull your kid out and place them in more expensive private school.
And by and large it is working anyone who can is.
What is going to happen is those who can teach wont.
Anyone who gets anywhere near kids has to have a screw loose.
The article mentioned he was a head of the union who prevented the firings of several teachers.
It was a political ploy
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Tsar Vladimir has a couple million soldiers with automatic weapons firing 5.45x39 rounds, I think those would be more effective than marshmallows.
"An Illinois federal court has ruled that Chicago school officials did not violate the rights of a second-grade teacher who was charged with possessing weapons on school grounds after he displayed garden-variety tools such as wrenches, pliers and screwdrivers in his classroom as part of his second grade teaching curriculum that required a “tool discussion.”"
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That's another arm of the anti-gun agenda: make it a 'health' issue (because that presumes a zero-tolerance for acceptable risk.) It should be an evaluation of risk issue just like owning a swimming-pool, trampoline, or automobile. Honestly, I would prefer getting the anti-gun lecture from my life insurance agent since he is trained to make those evaluations of risk.
I completely agree that leaving kids ignorant will not help. Hollywood teaches kids every incorrect way to handle a weapon as long as it looks cool. And people don't die as long as they are needed in the sequel.
"We will always err on the side of protecting students."
Emphasis on "err".
Science is all about firing a drunk pig out of a cannon just to see what happens.
The zero-tolerance stance used in school administration is the bigger concern. It deadens the entire concept of teaching common sense in kids, and enforces robotic black and white thinking if it disagrees with the ideologues in charge of the school. IMHO the exact opposite reason we send our kids to school.
Whatever happened to "hey billy, this isn't the right place for playing cops and robbers on the school playground, please save that for when you go home." Instead kids are suspended for minor mistakes which presented no actual danger.
I want to look up the list of countries who are worse off in terms of gun violence, can you post a link?
Way back when I was in maybe 9th grade I created a coil gun for a physics project. The solenoids drew a lot of current. Being the poor boy that I was, I couldn't afford the heavier gauge wire so after a few shots the insulation melted off the wires. I needed the current to get the projectile at the velocity I wanted. This wasn't going to be your average sissy grade school coil gun.
Was it dangerous? Absolutely, mostly the electrical system. What did my physics teacher say after seeing the projectile shatter off the wall? "Cool."
> Things that look or function remotely similarly to a gun are not to be tolerated. If you let kids shoot marshmallows at stacked plastic cups they might have fun, take pride in their mastery of ballistic trajectories, and you never know where that might lead ... nerf ... airsoft ... a .22.
Clearly it is the result of too many people watching Ghostbusters in the 80s.
We need to ban dangerous marshmellow-based violence from our television and movie-screens.
No, it's not anti gun propaganda. I'm from a country where guns are banned and people are wholeheartedly against guns, but we aren't fucking stupid! We enjoy science and experiments like these are allowed; but under proper supervision.
This smells a lot like someone wanting an excuse for firing this particular teacher.
"The tairsts are trying to git nukalar weapons. We must make sure their missionification is not completificated."
Table-ized A.I.
Better not let them play any ball games either, just to be sure. And no contact sports either.
Only if you are scarred shitless of your governement, as most americain seem to be. Meanwhile in europe in soem country when people goes to the street and protest, without gun and with gun control law, governement comply, or even falls. By your own count they should actually laugh people out and ignore them. And yet this is not what happens. Maybe.... Maybe, just maybe, gun control is actually one of those "hot button" issues used to [b]split[/b] the voting falk into two camp, and making them ignore the real issues....Just like other hot button issues. Maybe , just maybe, in reality they are perfectly content to leave you your pityful guns as long as you stay like sheep and adhere to the party line of one of the sides... Practically any military or police force is much better armed than the average citizen. Who cares if the peon have a few guns or rifles ? Far more important the peons do not have L.A.V., explosives, sniper riffles-a-gogo, widespread bullet protection usage, drones, and who knows the fucks what. And massive ammunition fabrication is controlled or controllable. So really what do you do with your gun when you have an excruciating process to get black powder , starter and shell ? If you think your guns will do anything in that context you fool yourself.
No. really. At this point I view the second amendment fight and the war on drug together, as a way to split the electorat , while leaving the big city unsecure enough that they require huge police force.
They already hamstringed you, trhey already shepherded you and you are still thinking you are free. In reality you are probably LESS free than people with healthy governement on the east side of the pond.
The reason western europe and canada is compared to USA, rather than say mexico and russia, is because they are the one which ressemble much the cultural, economical environment but also far more important political environment of the USA. Mexico and russia may fullfil one or two of those, but not all 3.
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Why, it doesn't even slow them up!
> If the teacher said you can use this as a weapon. Then yes that would be very bad and inappropriate.
Why? Weapons are based on physics and (lots of!) energy, and provide a really interesting framework for thought experiments ranging from newtonian physics to nuclear fusion. Saying a marshmallow shooter can be scaled up to a potato launcher provides useful information, in that it indicates the process can scale.
Is it "inappropriate" for a science teacher to say a low-density pile of Uranium lumps and moderator is a reactor, and a rapidly-squished-to-high-density U lump is a weapon?
Is it "inappropriate" to use an artillery scenario (or god forbid the hyperviolent computer war simulation known as "Scorched Earth") in a discussion of ballistics?
Progressives are *not* anti-gun, neither are environmentalists
THIS IS NOT TRUE. They are absolutely anti-gun and anyone claiming otherwise, isn't paying attention. Teddy Roosevelt has almost nothing in common with today's Democrats and their progressive/environmental constituency. The fact that you try to tie the two together only further proves the point.
Hell, ban sticks. Not even pointed ones. Go see what happens in kali and escrima, which is done with soft(er) rattan sticks. Imagine doing that with a piece of oak, or some other hardwood, let alone ironwood or heart of palm.
Some non-owners are quite well informed and not hysterical.
Where are these people? We need their help bringing intelligence into this conversation. Unfortunately, I fear they are scared to speak up, lest they be tarred by the anti-gun proponents who revel in intimidation tactics.
In all seriousness, it would be nice to hear from non-gun owners who aren't hysterical and who do know the difference between a magazine and a bullet. They would be a welcome breath of fresh air into an otherwise tired debate.
Actually, the correct analogy is that there are over a trillion bras.
Clearly, there is a link between bras and breast cancer.
We should outlaw Bras! Mod up to outlaw Bras!
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
After they get that MFA in post modern Lesbian Marxist theater they're still going to be working the espresso machine for all the foreign scientists who go to school here.
That article goes into incredible detail to describe how the British have by-and-large, lost both the right and desire to own guns.
This probably goes a long way to explaining the fact that American has 10.3 Firearm-related deaths rate per 100,000 population, and the UK has 0.25.
10.3 vs 0.25. If only America's desire for guns was more like the British.
The article mentioned he was a head of the union who prevented the firings of several teachers. It was a political ploy
So it serves two agendas. This makes it no less of an anti-gun.
Progressives are *not* anti-gun, neither are environmentalists THIS IS NOT TRUE. They are absolutely anti-gun and anyone claiming otherwise, isn't paying attention. Teddy Roosevelt has almost nothing in common with today's Democrats and their progressive/environmental constituency. The fact that you try to tie the two together only further proves the point.
No. My point is that the radical left is trying to rebrand themselves and usurp a nice sounding existing label. These modern democrats are PINO, progressive in name only.
Why do we have to drop the shitty smelling politics into the middle of stuff?
100 million gun owners with 300 million guns, plus darwin, statistically means that the more guns around idiots there are, the more gun related idiots evolve into a grave. Simple really.
Do people who have less sex get less STDs? Hmm...
By all means, let's keep kids from exploring science in an interesting way. I made a Van DeGraff generator in HS for a science project that would draw a one foot spark and light up flourescent tubes in the ceiling in the 70's as a way of exploring static electricity. I'm sure today it wouldn't be allowed in a science fair. Safety culture has become so oppressive that many kids just avoid science and technology altogether. If you haven't shocked yourself silly messing around by High School, you're a wimp.
Organization? You must be joking..
There's a coil gun experiment at my local museum for the kids. They pretend it's a high speed rail mock-up, but it's clearly an electromagnetic mass accelerator.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
If you read the previous comments, it's mentioned that this particular teacher was a thorn in the administration's side, being a union representative that wasn't rolling over for whatever management's flavor of koolaid was this week. I think it was absolutely an excuse to get rid of an obstacle, especially since he's no longer in charge of those negotiations because of this. People are always looking for grand conspiracies to take their guns away, when the truth is much less insidious. I guess they'll take any excuse they can to beat that drum...
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Let's let TOM speak shall we:
"I'm having great conversations on this site with one of my alias accounts" - by Tom (822) on Monday April 07, 2014 @02:29PM (#46686259) Homepage
FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
(Downmodding the last time I posted this http://slashdot.org/comments.p... Tom? That's all you've GOT vs. your b.s., & using your sockpuppets makes THAT downmod easy to do, now doesn't it? Just like it would modding YOUR OWN POSTS up!)
APK
P.S.=> Tom *tried* to libel me & failed after I destroyed him in a technical debate on hosts files... result?
Tom ended up "eating his words" here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... spiced with "the bitter taste of SELF-defeat" + HIS FOOT IN HIS MOUTH
... apk
Let's let TOM speak shall we:
"I'm having great conversations on this site with one of my alias accounts" - by Tom (822) on Monday April 07, 2014 @02:29PM (#46686259) Homepage
FROM -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
(Downmodding the last time I posted this http://slashdot.org/comments.p... Tom? That's all you've GOT vs. your b.s., & using your sockpuppets makes THAT downmod easy to do, now doesn't it? Just like it would modding YOUR OWN POSTS up!)
APK
P.S.=> Tom *tried* to libel me & failed after I destroyed him in a technical debate on hosts files... result?
Tom ended up "eating his words" here http://slashdot.org/comments.p... spiced with "the bitter taste of SELF-defeat" + HIS FOOT IN HIS MOUTH
... apk
Criminals DO exit city limits to get weapons and DO commit crimes inside of city limits with said weapons.
The part you are missing is the one where their victims are unable to defend themselves from the criminals because they not only obey the law - they obey the spirit of the law for the municipality they live within.
By "sorts of firearms" I would imagine you've believed the media hype and mean assault rifles, even though the vast majority of firearm related murders [somewhere around 85-95% according to FBI statistics, if i recall correctly] are committed with handguns.
We DON't have a gun problem. We have an empathy problem. We have a lack of thinking problem [you're case in point], we have a problem teaching our children the value of life.
Wasp air pistol..
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
I'd bet it was an anti-union move, an excuse to get rid of an inconvenient person in negotiations. That is normally done by anti-union right-wingers.
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