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OCZ RevoDrive 350 PCIe SSD Hits 1.8GB/sec With Standard Toshiba MLC NAND
MojoKid (1002251) writes "OCZ was recently acquired by Toshiba and has been going through its product stack, revamping its SSD portfolio with fresh re-designs based on Toshiba NAND Flash memory for not only increased performance but better cost structure as well. OCZ has now replaced their RevoDrive family of PCIe SSD cards with an almost complete re-designed of the product. The RevoDrive 350 is based on the same OCZ VCA 2.0 (Virtualized Controller Architecture) technology as the previous generation but is now enabled with a PCI Express X8 card interface and up to 4 LSI SandForce SD-2282 SSD processors, along with 19nm Toshiba NAND Flash. The good news is, not only is the new RevoDrive 350 faster at 1.8GB/sec claimed bandwidth for sequential reads and 1.7GB/sec for sequential writes, but it's also significantly more affordable, at literally half the price of the previous gen RevoDrive 3 when it first launched. In the benchmarks, the new PCIe card excels at read throughput, regularly hitting its 1.8GB/sec claimed bandwidth, especially with sequential workloads. Write performance is solid as well and the drive competes with the likes of some higher-end and more expensive SLC NAND-based PCIe cards like LSI's WarpDrive and Intel's SSD 910."
Down with the Beta! Just toss it out and be done with it, Dice.
My RevoDrive failed in three weeks of light use, and they refused to honor the warranty.
Toshiba also refuses to honor the warranty, despite that they admit that the purchase was real and that the existing warranty was not honored, and despite that I am a standing Toshiba customer.
Therefore nothing has changed, and you do not want a RevoDrive.
StoneCypher is Full of BS
OCZ always struggles with reliability, and buying their Lambo performance hardware always seems like a recipe for lost data. The fact that they're pushing MLC flash chips to the limit is not reassuring.
I read the internet for the articles.
What was the basis of their refusal?
Seriously the XP941 is a native PCIe controller, not multiple SATA controllers raided together with a PCIe bridge controller. As a result, it is almost 1/2 the price, and still has similar performance (it is only a PCIe 1x device that does 1.2GBs reads/writes, vs the PCIe 4x device that only does 1.8GBs).
We were all warned a long time ago that MS products sucked, remember the Magic 8 Ball said, "Outlook not so good"
NOPE. Not interested.
Sounds awesome but its so expensive I would rather spend the money on other parts for a more tangible gain.
Hopefully Toshiba will work to fix OCZ's infamously poor SSD reliability. 1.8GB/sec transfers mean nothing if the drive is so spotty you may as well be moving your files to /dev/null
OCZ is notoriously bad. Why should these be any better? Only an ad would ignore their long history of DOAs and short-lived products.
Last week I lost an entire day due to an enterprise class OCZ drive that decided to corrupt itself. My Linux box (using EXT4) started suddenly developing all sorts of filesystem errors rendering the system unbootable. The machine was two weeks old and had been used for software development. I also had another OCZ drive suddenly fail after two weeks where the drive turned into a brick. Reading up online on the new drive returned many reports of corrupt data from an "enterprise" class drive.
Who cares how fast you can access the drive if the drive can turn into /dev/random or /dev/null without warning.
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I have used over 16 OCZ drives and pushed them to their limits with no problems. Obviously all drives will eventually fail regardless of their nature, and you should always backup and use raid if uptime is important. Anyone using any drive without redundancy and backups should not affect your opinion of these drives.
Unless the unit was damaged, modified or some grey market edition I don't know that they have a legal leg to stand on, you can file a complaint with the state attorneys generals office allege fraud for failing to honor the warranty. It also depends on what state you're in i.e. "Void where prohibited" since some states have stronger consumer protection laws than others and some of the warranty terms may not apply to you.
Why did they deny your request for a warranty replacement?
This is just a bunch of SSD's on a card with a raid controller chip. It's an old tech that's already obsolete.
SATA6bps is the bottleneck and it's already been eliminated. The future is PCI express native SSDs and they've been here for more than a year in laptops (Notably apple ones)
Just this week Intel released the 9 series chipsets that support both SATAExpress and the M.2 SSD format. Bot provide 4 lanes of native PCI Express.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M.2
AHCI based devices are out now. (Most modern OSs support AHCI natively) NVMe based devices will be out soon and will be even faster, with a porotocol that wasn't originally designed for magnetic hard drives.
Funny how tech seems to always come full circle. Does anyone remember what IDE meant? Integrated Drive Electronics - The original IDE drive interface was nothing more than an extension of the ISA bus, the primary system device interconnect, over a 40 pin ribbon cable. What are we doing now? Extending PCI Express, the primary system device interconnect, over thin little cables.
He putted it in his microwave.
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Not a chance in hell, even if they use Toshiba ram chips it's still the same shocking design and the same shocking lack of service.
After catastrophic data-loss (had a backup of most of it, but still takes time to rebuild) after just 160 hours of drive use these drives are worse then the Seagate 20MB drives from the middle 1980s.
Maybe, like Seagate, in 30 years OCZ will be reliable, but until then data is too precious to risk.
No one can argue that Fusion-io started the PCIe SSD market - many laughed and now many are competing. I won't say they are the best for the price, but Tom's hardware is misleading people when they compare OCZ against 5 year old hardware. The 160gb iodrive is the original product that FIO launched with. Still a good product, but that is like comparing the top of the line pentium with today's CPUs.
They need to have a better DMI bus even the high end cpus with 40 pci-e 3.0 lanes use as well.
When you have a few pci-e 2.0 lanes + sound + network + firewire + usb + sata + other IO all on the that dmi bus that is only pci-e 2.0 X4 you are not going to get all that you can out of an pci-e ssd.
And the pci-e 3.0 lanes need to be more in the low-mid-to lower high end cpu's desktop 16 3.0 lanes some times spit to X8 X8 is to Little.
Some boards like to put usb 3.0 + TB and other stuff on the X16 line takeing it from the video card.
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On your barbeque obviously, the beer helps prevent cancer.
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That's a big microwave. Tell me, was he using a regular putter, or one of those standing putters that the USGA doesn't allow anymore? Also, was his caddie in there with him?
OCZ probably had no legal leg to stand on, but Toshiba is not legally required to honour OCZ's warranties, even though they bought the company.
I loved when I used to point out OCZ had high failure rates years ago when they were the most popular SSD and people use to just mock me as a hater. Meanwhile their SSD's all failed and my Intel and Samsung ones kept going just fine.
Hello,
Why does MojoKid only submit articles which link to HotHardware reviews? Is HotHardware a Dice.Com site? Is MojoKid a Dice.Com employee?
A disclaimer would be nice about paid editorial content or when linking to sister sites in the Dice Holdings portfolio, etc.
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I find it odd that Toshiba would not honor the warranty on good faith. I have always had very good experiences with them in the past being an owner of multiple Toshiba laptops.
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I, on the other hand, have had terrible experience with Toshiba's US support department.
I live in Canada, and wanted to buy a model of Toshiba laptop that was only available in the US. Their warranty claimed to be international, and I called Toshiba USA to confirm this. At worst, I was told, I'd have to pay the shipping costs myself. I was fine with that.
Then I dropped the laptop. It was fine electronically, it was just that a chunk was missing from the chassis, so I needed to replace some parts of the laptop chassis.
I called Toshiba USA. They refused to have anything to do with me, saying that not only could they not ship the laptop back to me at my expense, they couldn't even RECEIVE the laptop at their repair centre. Their shipping department would refuse to accept any shipment from outside the country. They told me my only solution was to mail my laptop to somebody in the US and have *THEM* send it to Toshiba. Mind you this laptop was only a few months old, only a few months into a 3-year warranty.
I called Toshiba Canada. They refused to repair the laptop (at my cost) even though by then they sold the same laptop in Canada as my American model. They said that because the model numbers were different (even if the laptops were identical) they wouldn't touch it.
Because of this, the only way that I could get my laptop repaired was to mail it to one of Toshiba's authorized third-party repair companies in the US. In the end, I had to pay $600 to repair a $1200 laptop... even though only the chassis (which probably costs a few dollars at most) was broken, with all electronics perfectly fine.
To rub salt in the wound, they did a terrible repair job, violating Toshiba's own service manual, and incorrectly re-installed the keyboard.
As a result, I will never buy another Toshiba product, nor will I ever recommend anyone buy one. Considering that many of my friends have already been burned by OCZ, them being bought by Toshiba changes my recommendation to "Don't buy OCZ products because they have a super high failure rate and Toshiba will try to screw you over on replacements."
There was none. They simply refused.
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Not worth my time. It's far more cathartic, besides, to steer tens of thousands of potential customers away with public recitation.
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Who cares? If you buy a company that performs fraud, admit that the fraud happened, and refuse to make right, it is legitimate for the victim to warn other people away.
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In Australia this would never fly, ever.
The ACCC a few years back put in a new law (which Apple fought tooth and nail, source: http://www.afr.com/p/technolog...) which required every piece of electronics sold in Australia to have a two year "warranty". I put that in sarcasm quotes not because it's invalid (the ACCC has some *serious* bite here, enough to scare Apple into compliance), but because it's not technically a warranty. It's simply: "a reasonable expectation that an electronic product will be fit for purpose for two years from purchase".
Legally, that's not a warranty, but in some ways it's a lot more powerful.
However, Apple continues to fight it, usually by simply redefining their terms. For example, I had a 1.5 year old iPhone 5's battery die recently. I took it in to get replaced, they said that batteries are considered consumable items and, based on its charge/discharge cycles, it had been "consumed", rather than "broken" or "worn out".
I went home, printed out the relevant law, returned and showed it to them and the manager replaced it for free, all the while warning me that this wasn't something they were expected to cover. The girl helping me was very sympathetic and helpful, though, and I felt as though both the manager and the genius-bar chick both resented Apple dodging the law a little bit.
If your RevoDrive failed in any way for two years after purchase here, in Oz, it would get fixed for free. Not even Apple can dodge that.
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Actually, they are legally required to honour it. Part of buying the company is that you end up in all the contracts that the old company was in, and you absolutely must honour them. You can't get out of contracts you have with people simply by setting up a new company, and buying your old one out with it.
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We had an OCZ drive fail at work and kill the iMac it was installed in.
Yes, KILL. The machine would no longer power up at all.
At that moment we didn't know it was drive's fault, so we moved the drive to a different iMac. (These are older iMacs, out of warranty.)
*POP* a second dead iMac.
I will NEVER buy an OCZ product as long as I live. I don't know how the heck the drive killed the machine, and I have no easy way to find out. Maybe I'll sacrifice an ancient PC to see if the drive kills it as well.
Warranty holders are creditors. OCZ Technology Group went bankrupt, and Toshiba bought OCZ's assets after that. Toshiba then launched a new company named OCZ Storage Solutions.
In other words, OCZ's assets were liquidated, and some creditors got paid. After that, OCZ the original company didn't exist anymore, and the warranties were worthless. Toshiba theoretically decided to honour some (but not all) warranties, but they were not obligated to do so.
In Australia this would never fly, ever.
The ACCC a few years back put in a new law (which Apple fought tooth and nail, source: http://www.afr.com/p/technolog...) which required every piece of electronics sold in Australia to have a two year "warranty". I put that in sarcasm quotes not because it's invalid (the ACCC has some *serious* bite here, enough to scare Apple into compliance), but because it's not technically a warranty. It's simply: "a reasonable expectation that an electronic product will be fit for purpose for two years from purchase".
When you dig into the Australian law:
"Though it does not specify how long a warranty should last for specific products, it must allow repairs within a reasonable time of purchase."
So for smartphones regularly sold on a 2 year contract, 2 years should be the minimum warranty period. Whitegoods are typically expected to last 5 years at least, so if your fridge fails after 3 you have the law on your side if the manufacturer only includes a 2 year warranty. There is however another expectation - spending a large sum on an item vs buying a cheap version of a similar item may affect the reasonable warranty period. Brand names on your goods increase the price, but also increase the expected lifetime (quality) of an item, which also increases the expected warranty period.
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Ah, the silent majority argument which normally only pollutes political discussions. It falls down when you consider that it should also apply to spinning storage.
As for the additional numerology on a flawed premise - it's depressing to watch.
Did anyone else notice that the advertised 'up to' 140,000 IOPS at 4k only equals 560MB/s performance? What gives?
On the other hand I have had excellent service from Toshiba. My TV wouldn't take a firmware update so they collected it, fixed it and returned it quickly and at no cost to me. It was about 18 months old at the time, no problem with the mandatory 2 year warranty that some companies like to quibble over.
Years ago when I used to fix laptops for a living they were good on parts and warranty repairs too. It seems like your slightly unusual situation is what caused problems. Of course that is no help to you, but it doesn't necessarily mean that for someone who buys products in their home country there is any kind of problem. I'm sure you can find cases that all companies fail to handle well.
Only time will tell if the new Toshiba SSDs will be any good, but I think I'll wait for real stats instead of just going by a few Slashdot anecdotes.
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It seems that you have caught an actual shill in action.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/...
There was a Wikipedia user called MojoKid HH who created the HotHardware wiki article. Coincidence? Who are we kidding. HotHardware is not affiliated with Dice - it seems we just have a single person trying to drum up some traffic for their website. MojoKid's wiki user page contains comments he's made which refer to HotHardware as "us", meaning he's at least affiliated with the site. I know Slashdot has gone down the pan recently, but this is not Dice's doing.
When given the option of $600, why didn't you just fix it with some epoxy or somesuch?
The chassis of the laptop was a magnesium alloy, and "shattered" was a better description than "cracked". It was beyond the ability of repair with the existing parts, it needed replacements.
OCZ probably had no legal leg to stand on, but Toshiba is not legally required to honour OCZ's warranties, even though they bought the company.
Sometimes that sort of thing is a condition of a merger. Remember, corporations are supposed to function in the public interest. Are you in fact sure that Toshiba is not legally required to honor OCZ's warranties?
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Another option is your credit card company. Some will try to help you fix it. Mine has something like 1 year extra on purchases over 250 I think.
As I tell my friends 'my credit card company are bastards but they are my bastards'.
This needs to be reposted in many places so that people know not to trust Toshiba.
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But can you get a STD from a SSD?
They didn't merge, and Toshiba didn't actually buy OCZ. They only bought the *assets* of OCZ. OCZ the company went bankrupt and was liquidated, so OCZ's warranties died when the company ceased to exist.
As a result, Toshiba had no obligation to honour any warranties. Indeed, they did cancel all existing OCZ warranties except high-end SSDs.
The ACCC a few years back put in a new law (which Apple fought tooth and nail, source: http://www.afr.com/p/technolog... [afr.com]) which required every piece of electronics sold in Australia to have a two year "warranty". I put that in sarcasm quotes not because it's invalid (the ACCC has some *serious* bite here, enough to scare Apple into compliance), but because it's not technically a warranty. It's simply: "a reasonable expectation that an electronic product will be fit for purpose for two years from purchase".
I think you'll find that two years is just a minimum.
Which is to say you could probably argue that a high-end mobile phone would be expected by any "reasonable" person to work for more like 3-4, possibly even 5, years.
If I had an Apple phone fail within 3 years I'd expect Apple to replace it without too much haranguing. Closer to the 4 year mark I'd expect to have to get consumer affairs involved, but still succeed.
Here in the Netherlands we have a similar law. However, it's commonly accepted that a battery is something that is consumed. Similar to tires or what have you. I think you were unreasonable.
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