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Apple WWDC 2014: Tim Cook Unveils Yosemite

An anonymous reader writes "Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference (WWDC) has started, and OS X 10.10, officially named Yosemite, and iOS 8 have been officially unveiled. Craig Federighi, senior vice president of software engineering, also highlighted iCloud Drive. Although a little late to the party, Apple hopes to compete with the likes of Dropbox and Google Drive."

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  1. Newness overload by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've just finished watching this. There were so many new features introduced that I have no idea how other companies are going to compete with this. I bet that one year in the future, they won't have even 25% of those features matched.

    1. Re:Newness overload by tuppe666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've just finished watching this. There were so many new features introduced that I have no idea how other companies are going to compete with this. I bet that one year in the future, they won't have even 25% of those features matched.

      I can only imagine this is sarcasm, many of these features are 8 years old or more on competing platforms. Widgets; Transparency, Cloud integration, (Real) Cross Platform tools (not single Platform, and updated mail and browser application oooh. those are the broad stokes...Look over there they now use Bing, Microsoft outbidded Google Apple users will be so happy.

    2. Re:Newness overload by NotDrWho · · Score: 2

      I almost came in my pants watching it. But then, I have a very specific GUI improvement fetish that most (especially YOU, Dr. Swartz!) just don't understand.

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    3. Re:Newness overload by jythie · · Score: 2

      It depends on how critical the new features are. Chances are many of the new features will only apply to a certain number of use cases, so it could be that they are spreading the features around, thus it would not be 'too many' for any given individual.

    4. Re:Newness overload by jovius · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apple's strategy is not no overwhelm, but to keep the users on an IV drip. And it works; they seem to listen. It stirs up emotions from side to side. It keeps the old users using the products. And more and more it becomes easier for the users of the other platforms to make a switch. Just when the same features have grown old Apple introduces them with their own extra twist and as a companions of their design. There's nothing wrong with that, and judging from the bottom line many of those features were not profitably executed.

      Anyway it's not about the OS anymore, because anybody is able to seamlessly mix operating systems and their native applications together now. It's about the experience and the integration.

    5. Re: Newness overload by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Widgets? You mean Desk Accessories?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desk_accessory

    6. Re:Newness overload by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

      Yes you can use Bing!, more significantly you also have the choice to use DuckDuckGo, the search engine that doesn't track you.

    7. Re:Newness overload by epyT-R · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Fuck your experience and your integration. I'm trying to get work done. These 'User Experience' people are ruining desktop computing..

  2. It's about time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The current implementation of iCloud is terrible.
     
    And Slashdot Beta still sucks.

  3. Tired of one year release cycle by bradrum · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am tired of this every year release cycle. Wish they would take a couple of years and swing for the fences on their software.

  4. Yosemite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Confusion with the Blue & White G3 codename in 3... 2... 1...

    1. Re:Yosemite by kthreadd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think that's going to be a problem. 99+ % of Mac users probably have no idea what a blue and white G3 is, and the rest knows enough to differentiate the two.

    2. Re:Yosemite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Think about it less in terms of people and more in terms of what a search engine will find for you.

      Right now, when I type in "yosemite mac" into a Google search, I get 4 news stories from today's WWDC and the fifth match is the "Power Macintosh G3 (Blue & White)" Wikipedia page. In a few hours, those WWDC news articles will fade. Fast forward to 18 months from now, and you will get an unholy mish-mash of results from that somewhat ambiguous search term.

      Apple will probably regret this name overlap, if not at the top of the organization, then at the bottom where they have to deal with customer service as a daily concern. I can just picture someone at the Apple store saying "I did some research on Google and these new Yosemite Macs won't run anything past 10.3! But you're selling 10.10 right next to them! You're ripping me off! I'm clueless!" (Maybe that last part wouldn't be out loud, but it would certainly be understood.)

      Not knowing the difference in a mix of search results is exactly the problem.

    3. Re:Yosemite by Fear+the+Clam · · Score: 2

      Forget code names, they did it with an actual software title with AppleWorks for the Mac and AppleWorks for the Apple ][. Somehow, we survived.

    4. Re:Yosemite by Shadowmist · · Score: 2

      Think about it less in terms of people and more in terms of what a search engine will find for you.

      Right now, when I type in "yosemite mac" into a Google search, I get 4 news stories from today's WWDC and the fifth match is the "Power Macintosh G3 (Blue & White)" Wikipedia page. In a few hours, those WWDC news articles will fade. Fast forward to 18 months from now, and you will get an unholy mish-mash of results from that somewhat ambiguous search term.

      Apple will probably regret this name overlap, if not at the top of the organization, then at the bottom where they have to deal with customer service as a daily concern. I can just picture someone at the Apple store saying "I did some research on Google and these new Yosemite Macs won't run anything past 10.3! But you're selling 10.10 right next to them! You're ripping me off! I'm clueless!" (Maybe that last part wouldn't be out loud, but it would certainly be understood.)

      Not knowing the difference in a mix of search results is exactly the problem.

      What you're not taking into account is that people will be talking, blogging, flaming, etc about OS X Yosemitie from now until the next decade. That's certainly going to push it far above any posts about a machine that's been out of production for almost two decades now.

  5. A new programming language by eminencja · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yosemite will feature a new icon set. A bigger news is Swift, a new, safe programming language with type inference. Anyone who is able to find a language reference manual (supposedly available on iBooks) will get a lot of mod points.

    1. Re:A new programming language by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Informative
    2. Re:A new programming language by astrokid · · Score: 4, Informative
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    3. Re:A new programming language by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 4, Interesting

      >A bigger news is Swift, a new, safe programming language with type inference.

      I just took a quick look through the swift language manual on iBooks.
      I like it. It seems to lose some of the annoying features of objective-c and bring in some of the nice features of python.

      E.G. for i in 0..3 { stuff }; or: for i in list_of_things { stuff }; like python.
      and tuples allowing multiple return values, like in python
      and it gets rid of the annoying square bracket method call syntax of objective C, replacing it with normal dot notation. classinstance.methodname()
      and passing functions as arguments like fancy languages
      and getting rid of the need for semicolons, like python
      and type inference from literals in variable declarations.

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    4. Re:A new programming language by John+Bokma · · Score: 2
    5. Re:A new programming language by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 2

      And it is pretty bad. All the good features of the language seem to be taken almost verbatim from Scala, Kotlin and other forerunners. On the other hand, they still manage to fuck things up. Let me just quote parts of the language guide:

      "Immutability has a slightly different meaning for arrays, however. You are still not allowed to perform any action that has the potential to change the size of an immutable array, but you are allowed to set a new value for an existing index in the array. This enables Swift’s Array type to provide optimal performance for array operations when the size of an array is fixed."

      i.e. Swift arrays that are "immutable" actually aren't. Way to rewrite the dictionary. But wait, it gets worse. Here's for some schizophrenia.

      "Structures and Enumerations Are Value Types. A value type is a type that is copied when it is assigned to a variable or constant, or when it is passed to a function. Swift’s Array and Dictionary types are implemented as structures."

      So far so good. I always liked collections that don't pretend to be any more than an aggregate of values, and copy semantics is a good thing in that context (so long as you still provide a way to share a single instance). But wait, it's all lies:

      "If you assign an Array instance to a constant or variable, or pass an Array instance as an argument to a function or method call, the contents of the array are not copied at the point that the assignment or call takes place. Instead, both arrays share the same sequence of element values. When you modify an element value through one array, the result is observable through the other. For arrays, copying only takes place when you perform an action that has the potential to modify the length of the array. This includes appending, inserting, or removing items, or using a ranged subscript to replace a range of items in the array"

      Swift, a language that is naturally designed to let you shoot your foot in the most elegant way possible, courtesy of Apple.

  6. Prediction by njnnja · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm not sure which of these technologies will be successful in the coming months, but I am certain that before the year is over we will see many job postings requiring 3 years experience with Swift.

  7. I think I'm something of a psychic by marsu_k · · Score: 2, Funny

    I usually like to think that the physical reality we live in is much more interesting than the supernatural world some people seem to live in. However, I have a precognition. Within seconds, we'll have SuperKendall and BasilBrush telling us how iCloud Drive is much superior to the current offerings. Coming in 3, 2, 1...

  8. Re:Like GNU Linux/Google Cloud years Ago..or Vista by armanox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My gripe is the flat look that's getting pushed into OS X. I'm seriously tired of this plague. I happen to like my 3D composited desktops.

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  9. And one more thing - NOT by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Kind of a "meh" series of announcements. The Mac interface will look more like the phone interface. (How'd that work out for Microsoft?) FTP that goes through Apple's servers. A new GUI theme. Some other routine GUI churn. A medical interface app with sensors. That's it?

    Last week, Apple execs were promising big announcements, the biggest since the Jobs era. This is all they've got? From the hype, you'd expect a competitor for Google Glass, or a VR system, or a rugged phone with no connectors and inductive charging, or an AI system that runs your life, or NSA-proof security, or something really new, like a direct brain interface or displays in contact lenses.

    1. Re:And one more thing - NOT by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Congratulations, you've fallen into the trap that so many other techies here at /. have in thinking that this is consumer stuff targeted at YOU.

      It isn't.

      The people that this is aimed at don't even know what you're talking about when you say 'FTP'. They just want to move their files around easily and transparently. Now they can. They'll like that.

      Take a look at the actual tech stuff if you want to gripe or be excited. But the consumer facing stuff will be really interesting to consumers. They like a bit of GUI change as long as it's not too drastic. (Apple isn't moving the buttons or anything, they're just making a few things more accessible and modifying the design a little; this isn't near the magnitude of the change to the Windows Desktop OS.)

      Apple is very good at selling things to people. For non-essential goods, there is basically no company on the planet that's better at making money from consumers. What is small potatoes to you is a big upgrade to some. And it's free. That tends to smooth out any rough edges that crop up.

    2. Re:And one more thing - NOT by sootman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > Last week, Apple execs were promising big announcements, the biggest since the Jobs era.

      Citation needed. What *I* heard the execs saying was that they're going to have great products this year. They have 7 months left.

      And FFS, this is the DEVELOPER conference. New product announcements here are few and far between. Here's an overview of the last ten years of WWDC. If you can read that list and still be surprised or disappointed at what was or wasn't announced today, you're an idiot.

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    3. Re:And one more thing - NOT by nine-times · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The Mac interface will look more like the phone interface. (How'd that work out for Microsoft?)

      Well it *looks* more like their phone interface, largely in that it uses a simplified and more "flat" design. Microsoft's problem was that they tried to make their new interface *behave* like their phone interface.

      FTP that goes through Apple's servers.

      Well it's more like a Dropbox competitor, I believe, but with better hooks into the OS for both the desktop and phone. That still might be unimpressive, but it's not the same as a FTP.

      Last week, Apple execs were promising big announcements, the biggest since the Jobs era.

      Were they definitely talking about this conference, or were they just saying that they have major things in the pipeline? I'm honestly asking, because I didn't see the quotes you're talking about, and they apparently still have new iPhone/iPad models to announce, as well as the rumored smartwatch. Also, some of their products (e.g. Mac minis) should be receiving updates soon, and it's possible there are redesigns coming. I wouldn't be surprised to see a new thinner 4K Thunderbolt display soon.

      From the hype, you'd expect a competitor for Google Glass, or a VR system, or a rugged phone with no connectors and inductive charging, or an AI system that runs your life...

      So your idea of "innovating" and "groundbreaking" is a me-too Google Glass product, or inductive charging? That stuff actually doesn't sound innovative to me at all. If you really want inductive charging, you can get a case for that, but I think most people have found that it's not all it's cracked up to be. But an AI that runs your life-- their new home automation stuff, in combination with Siri, edges slightly closer to that kind of thing. Real AI is still a ways out, and I'd expect it to come in small incremental changes instead of a fully fledged AI being announced all at once.

      Meanwhile, Apple has announced health monitoring and home automation. They've announced a new programming language. They've announced various incremental improvements throughout their software lineup. Also interesting, though not unprecedented, is the "Mail Drop" feature, which will automatically throw files onto their "iCloud Drive" Dropbox competitor and include a link to that file in lieu of email attachments. But what I find most interesting is the description of the "Continuity" interaction between various Apple devices-- that your iPhone, iPad, and Mac might all start talking to each other in a more seamless way, allowing you to access the resources of each device from the other devices.

  10. Its Killer Feature by tuppe666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am tired of this every year release cycle. Wish they would take a couple of years and swing for the fences on their software.

    Actually I love the idea of regular releases...and free ones too. Ignoring my slights in my other posts the fact that upgrades are free and regular, makes overpriced Apple hardware seem a little more affordable...If I was a new Apple phone user, and found I liked a lot there...and there is a lot to like, I would be tempted to Migrate to a shiny machine...Although you would have to claw Linux running on commodity hardware out of my bleeding hands first.

    1. Re:Its Killer Feature by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      until recently the upgrades haven't been free, they brake compatibility too often.

      as the admin of a mac shop, i am constantly plauged by building working images for our corporate tools then finding when i go to get new hardware to replace damaged machines or accomodate new users, barely even older version of os x can't be installed on the newer hardware and you can count on apple not to release stand alone drivers.

      I used to love Apple, then i was forced to work with them they're fun toys but terrible tools

    2. Re:Its Killer Feature by bradrum · · Score: 2

      I like the idea of free regular releases too. But the reality is that they don't seem to be able to break much technical ground with these. Like moving to ZFS or integrating virtual reality (kinda serious) .

    3. Re:Its Killer Feature by Yaztromo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I like the idea of free regular releases too. But the reality is that they don't seem to be able to break much technical ground with these. Like moving to ZFS or integrating virtual reality (kinda serious) .

      While it is disappointing that their push towards ZFS fizzled and died, OS X 10.9 did make some serious technical improvements under the hood that go well beyond the competition.

      Compressing and decompressing memory pages on the fly being one of them. It's a much (much!) faster operation than paging to disk, and can significantly reduce memory pressure. Many users felt like they had received a free hardware upgrade -- it can be pretty dramatic. AFAIK neither Windows or Linux have transparent page compression like this. Timer coalescing was another significant kernel-level improvement (although certainly one that had been done before on other platforms). App Nap makes some significant adjustments to how threads and processes are allotted compute cycles. The overall effect can be significantly lessened power requirements, particularly on Apple's laptops, leading to increased battery life -- something no other OS vendor that I'm aware of is focussing on in the PC space (mobile being a bit of a different story, of course).

      Perhaps not whiz-bang flashy stuff that end users notice first, but some pretty solid under-the-hood technology none-the-less.

      Yaz

    4. Re:Its Killer Feature by Yaztromo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Do you know C? Any desire to implement such a feature in Linux? Seems like a good idea, and your claim of dramatic performance improvement has got me thinking. Perhaps this would be a good way to dip my toes into kernel hacking, and perhaps I'm not the only one thinking that.

      Yup -- I even wrote an experimental real-time kernel for the Atmel AT90 a few years back.

      To be honest, I have considered it, as I'm also a Linux user (OS X makes a fantastic interface into a bunch of headless Linux servers that do the grunt work around here), and I'd love to have this support there as well. I currently have 285 processes running on my iMac, and while I'm not really putting a lot of memory pressure on the system (7.97GB used out of 8GB, with only 8.76GB of virtual memory active and no swap), however OS X has still managed to compress 395.6MB of memory, and I haven't noticed a thing. Indeed, it's probably saved me from having to page to disk at the moment to the tune of roughly 200MB. That's a lot of pages available for use pretty quickly without the need to load them from disk first.

      What's stopping me? Time. I used to do a lot of Open Source software development, and have had a few projects of my own over the years that have seen some moderate success, and would like to contribute more to the community -- but that was before I had a wife, and before we had a child who has a lot of medical needs. After a long day of commercial application development, and driving my daughter from one appointment to another six days a week, my hobbies currently reflect my desire to get out from behind the keyboard and do things outdoors.

      I lament that things have gone this way -- there's nothing more I'd love than to do some deeper research on the type of compression algorithms Apple is using in their memory compression scheme (WKdm, re-implement it as part of the Linux kernel, look at algorithms to quickly identify candidates for compression, and all that good stuff. I get giddy just thinking about it -- but the last thing I need on my plate right now is another project.

      If someone decides to take this up, they have my moral support. Maybe in a few years I can start working on interesting stuff like this again, but right now it would probably burn me out to take on something of this size.

      Yaz

    5. Re:Its Killer Feature by Yaztromo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Linux had the likes of zram, zcache, and zswap for years before Mavericks.

      zram was only merged into the Linux kernel in 3.14, on March 30, 2014 -- well after Mavericks was released. And it's more about using a portion of compressed memory for swap -- it's a compressed RAM disk for swapping to, and isn't the same as Apple's transparent page compression system.

      zswap is much more akin to what Apple's Memory Compression scheme achieves, and it was merged into the Linux kernel mainline in kernel version 3.11, which was released on September 2, 2013, just a few weeks before Mavericks was released.

      So you have my apologies -- I wasn't aware of zswap until now. If the topic comes up again, I'll ensure I only compare that feature to Windows (which AFAIK still has nothing like this available).

      Yaz

    6. Re:Its Killer Feature by Yaztromo · · Score: 5, Informative

      you seem to know what you're talking about. can you explain this idea of memory compression, and what the heck the new activity monitor means? the old one made sense. Pie chart, showing free, available, and active. Now it's apparently using up all my memory I have 8 GB but it shows a line chart with a small amount of "memory pressure".

      Sure -- I'll try to explain it the best I can. I won't make any specific judgements as to whether the new controls are better than the old, except to point out that there is more useful information in the new that wasn't present in the old. You're still perfectly welcome to prefer the old pie chart :). I'll try not to stray too far into the esoteric; if you need more details on a specific subject here, feel free to ask.

      First a bit on the theory of memory management in general. In most modern operating systems like Mac OS X, each application appears to get it's own memory space, starting at '0' and running up to 0xffffffffffffffff (a fancy way of saying the addresses go from 0 to somewhere in the neighbourhood of 1.84*10E19 bytes of memory). To make things easier to deal with, the operating system breaks these up into chunks 4096 bytes in size called a 'page'. Now 1.84*10E19 bytes is probably way more memory than you have available on your system, but that's okay -- while conceptually an application can use any of that memory space for pretty much anything it wants, the operating system keeps track only of which pages have actually been allocated to each application. This system is called 'virtual memory': each application has its own virtually memory space to play with that doesn't interact with he memory of any other application. This is the value that shows in the "virtual memory" box in the activity monitor.

      Now of course, you have real, physical memory in your machine, and you don't have a separate set for each application (in a physical sense -- you don't have one set of chips for Safari, and another set of chips for iPhoto, for example). The real memory has to hold the virtual memory somehow, and be able to map from one to the other. The operating system keeps a structure known as the Translation Lookaside Buffer that keeps this mapping for pages stored in physical memory. So it might have a bunch of entires for Safari, saying that the page consisting of what the application sees as memory area starting at 0x0000 and going to to 0x0FFF are stored in memory location 0x40000000 (the 1GB mark), the page of what the application sees as memory area starting at 0x1000 and going to 0x1FFF are in location 0x40096000, etc. In fact, the pages can be all over the place, and not even in order -- the operating system keeps track of all the used memory pages for the application wherever they are stored in memory. The amount of physical memory you have shows in the "Physical Memory" box of the activity monitor.

      If you don't get all that, don't worry -- the main takeaway is that these pages can be stored in memory, and the operating system tracks of them when they are. Because we work with all of these pages, however, the operating system can also store them someplace else. Prior to Mavericks, this was always written to disk in the "swap" file (also sometimes known as a "page file"). This happened when memory pressure gets higher than the operating system can handle in RAM alone; that is, programs are asking for more virtual pages than the operating system can fit into real memory. To try to make room for new requests without unloading applications, the operating system will periodically go through the list of pages if memory pressure is high, find the least-used pages (you might have some application running that you put into the background and haven't touched in hours, for example, or applications which have reserved pages for things such as documents you haven't looked at in hours, even if you've otherwise used the application itself), and write them to disk. This is known as "swap". The pages of c

  11. Re:Off-topic Maybe by bradrum · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As someone who has worked on several cross platform toolkits I can say that

    "cross platform...is the new platform" == marketing bullshit

  12. Re:No mention of Swift in topic nor summary by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

    Swift is not there to "replace" Objective C, it's there to complement it, as an alternative choice.

  13. Re:Why? by organgtool · · Score: 4, Funny

    Because they are finally admitting that Microsoft has superior UI design and they are trying to catch up.

  14. Re:Off-topic Maybe by mean+pun · · Score: 2

    Why do you think Swift is platform specific? I think it is will almost certainly not be; Apple will be more interested in getting the new language adopted rather than locking in people. Therefore at least the core language is very likely to be neutral. In fact, there is a pretty good chance it will be available through the llvm channels, and have a BSD license.

    Metal is more likely to be platform specific because the goal is to give more direct access to the hardware.

  15. Re:Off-topic Maybe by jythie · · Score: 2

    In a way, it is almost preferable that they start taking away the illusion of cross platform tools and be honest about it.

  16. Re:Off-topic Maybe by larry+bagina · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Cross platform is wearing three condoms and then butt fucking, to abstract away the differences between men and women. It's usually a shitty experience for the user (though some people seem to prefer it).

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    These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.

  17. Not so late to the game by Sir+Holo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    FTSummary: ...also highlighted iCloud Drive. Although a little late to the party, Apple hopes to compete with the likes of Dropbox and Google Drive.

    DropBox will drop its pants for the NSA any time, anywhere, with no FISA court order required. Apple, not so much.

  18. mac mini still almost 2 years old at same price an by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 3

    mac mini still almost 2 years old at same price and hardware.

  19. Re:Off-topic Maybe by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

    Google seems to be pointing developers to target the play services API's in place of newer OS level API's.

    You say this as if it were a good thing, but it isn't.

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  20. Re:Off-topic Maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Apple Developer Page - https://developer.apple.com/swift/
    Welcome to Swift (Guides and Reference) - https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/welcome_to_swift
    The Swift Programming Language (iBooks Store) - https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/the-swift-programming-language/id881256329?mt=11

  21. Qt by fyngyrz · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not that much of an illusion. Qt's done some useful work there. I've written one app, quite complex, that runs under both Windows and OSX. The only serious work I had to do was related to USB support, which Qt really hasn't addressed worth a darn. Everything else, though, is just a recompile specifying the target. Sound, networking, file system, GUI and lower level graphics, etc. The apps are a little less efficient, working as they must through a compatibility layer, but they're efficient enough to do the job at hand on even moderately recent hardware, so I'm pretty happy with the whole approach.

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  22. Re:No mention of Swift in topic nor summary by organgtool · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are you sure? Based on Apple's history, they sure don't seem to mind replacing huge parts of their infrastructure while completely deprecating the old:

    Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X
    PowerPC to Intel
    Carbon to Cocoa
    32-bit to 64-bit

    I'm not disagreeing with most of these transitions, but they sure don't mind having their application developers rewrite substantial portions of their applications because of the shiny. I wouldn't be surprised if Objective-C was no longer supported in five years.

  23. Re:Cherry Pick Stats by BasilBrush · · Score: 3, Informative

    iOS 8 will not be available in the STILL ON SALE iPhone 4.

    False. The iPhone 4 was discontinued September 10, 2013.

    It's successor, the iPhone 4S was first on sale October 14, 2011. Everyone who bought an iPhone 4 after that date knew they were buying an older model which would reach it's end of support sooner than the current model.

    Apple stop providing older iPhones with OS updates when they are no longer powerful enough to support current OS release. They got it wrong once, by providing one two many OS updates for the iPhone 3G. And were heavily criticised for it - including by you. You can't have it both ways.

    By contrast most Android phones sold NEVER get an OS update.

  24. Re:Swift by mean+pun · · Score: 2

    More like a mixture of functional languages, Python, Java, Objective C, and C#, but you have to know those languages to recognise that.

    A pretty solid mixture, in fact. So far what I see I like a lot!

  25. Re:Off-topic Maybe by BasilBrush · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Bullshit. There is plenty wrong with plain C. For example there is no defending fall-through by default between cases in switch statements.

  26. Re:Off-topic Maybe by Carewolf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do you think Swift is platform specific? I think it is will almost certainly not be; Apple will be more interested in getting the new language adopted rather than locking in people. Therefore at least the core language is very likely to be neutral. In fact, there is a pretty good chance it will be available through the llvm channels, and have a BSD license.

    Objective-C is not technically platform specific either, it just is in practice, because there is no room or reason for yet another wannabe C++-killer. There are already plenty of languages better than C++, another one wont make a difference, so Swift will be like Objective-C, Apple only.

  27. Cherry Pick Stats by saleenS281 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of all the things to chastise them about - software updates isn't one of them. There's frequently and consistently BRAND NEW Android phones that don't support software that's been out for months before before the phone is even announced.

  28. Re: Like GNU Linux/Google Cloud years Ago..or Vist by aristotle-dude · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Konfabulator.

    Idiot.

    Konfabulator was written by a guy who worked on Copeland at Apple. Not only did he steal the ideas of widgets from Copeland and Opendoc but he also stole themes from Copeland when he released Kalidescope theme engine for Mac OS 9.

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  29. Re:Off-topic Maybe by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

    I am not sure yet why platform specific tools will make a difference when cross platform...is the new platform, especially when Android is now the worlds number one platform after unseating Windows last year, and chasm between it and iOS is set to grow.

    Sigh. One of the complaints about learning to code for OS X and iOS was that a developer had to learn Objective-C to use Cocoa especially after Carbon (and hence Java) was deprecated. Swift seems to be a much easier to language to use. How much of it will actually be easier to use, developers will find out when they start to use it.

    Personally I'm waiting for the news of proprietary extensions certain BSD codebases by Apple...again, with the inevitable defending by fruit lovers.

    The BSD license allows this. Get over it. Especially since the BSD license means that Apple has no obligation to release any source code. Yet they release Darwin year after year. Yet Apple contributes to other open source projects year after year.

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  30. Re:Off-topic Maybe by immaterial · · Score: 2

    "Yet another wannabe C++ killer"? You say that like Objective-C is some new kid on the block that is out gunning for C++. Neither of those is true - Objective-C has been around as long as C++ and nobody is trying to use it to take out C++. In fact, they work together quite well (even in the same source files) should you need to do so. I do agree that Swift will probably ultimately be Apple-only, but that's the status quo with Objective-C and doesn't seem to have caused a serious lack of developer attention so I don't see that as an issue.

  31. RAM Doubler by aeosrhoseihtnewa · · Score: 2

    Win95 had RAM Doubler. 15 years ago. Beat that!

  32. Re:mac mini still almost 2 years old at same price by creepynut · · Score: 2

    I'm surprised they didn't update it (maybe even give it a modest price drop). With all the negative press Windows 8 has been receiving, Apple could market the Mac Mini as a "drop in" replacement for people who currently have a Windows 8 tower at home.

  33. Metal by nneonneo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One of the updates that folks seem to have overlooked is Metal, Apple's upcoming replacement for OpenGL.

    While I think Apple is likely to continue supporting OpenGL for the foreseeable future, it's somewhat worrying that they've decided to just build a brand-new graphics library. It represents a refocusing of their optimization efforts, certainly, so in the future I would expect devs to have to use Metal in order to obtain decent graphics performance. This in turn will make development even harder, especially for cross-platform shops which expect OpenGL to work reasonably well in all environments...