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Human Blood Substitute Could Help Meet Donor Blood Shortfall

Zothecula (1870348) writes According to the World Health Organization, over 107 million blood donations are collected around the globe every year, most of which goes on to help save lives. However, while the need for blood is global, much of that which is donated is not accessible to many who need it, such as those in developing countries. And of the blood donated in industrialized countries, the amount often falls short of requirements. To help address this imbalance, scientists at the University of Essex are developing an artificial blood substitute. It would be able to be stored at room temperatures for up to two years, which would allow it to be distributed worldwide without the need for refrigeration and make it immediately accessible at the site of natural disasters.

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  1. Old News by Baby+Duck · · Score: 1

    I read about this in Wired more than 5 years ago.

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    1. Re:Old News by binarylarry · · Score: 2

      TIL this is how the walking dead starts

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    2. Re:Old News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TWIL that TIL is becoming a very popular TLA.

    3. Re:Old News by peragrin · · Score: 1

      wait I thought that was I am Legend. no wait that was the cure for Cancer.

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    4. Re:Old News by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yep, like holographic storage it's always five years away. This time it's another promising attempt. If it's like the dozen or so previous promising attempts, the substance will become less promising once it gets through further testing. Eventually it's likely that some approach will succeed - it is not at all clear that this one has any better chance than before (the TFA wasn't terribly insightful).

      But this would be a Big Deal. A really big deal if it were priced reasonably. Blood and blood products are actually pretty expensive despite it being a non profit entity in the US - testing, storage and transport all run up a pretty hefty bill. Something that was storable (especially without refrigeration) and didn't require blood typing would be a huge win.

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    5. Re:Old News by SecurityGuy · · Score: 1

      I read about this working in a medical research lab 20 years ago.

    6. Re:Old News by Immerman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Of course they still haven't made any mention of the *most* important questions:

      Do vampires find it palatable enough to reduce their rampant predation on our species? And if so will they now leave us alone, or exterminate us as an unnecessary threat?

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    7. Re:Old News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As mentioned, existing methods mostly work, but can sometimes lead to very serious health problems. Thus until a method does not cause those problems it will not be approved by health agencies. Working in the lab does not equal in vivo.

    8. Re:Old News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hemosol did this even signficantly longer ago then that... made it to stage 3 and something went horribly wrong.

    9. Re:Old News by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Informative

      This is another example of the medical cartel screwing us over. In the old days those donation centers were called "blood banks" because they functioned like actual banks. You were personally credited with each pint of blood you donated. When you needed blood after an accident or surgery, you could use any accumulated credits. You could sign credits over to a family member who needed blood. or donate them to one of those public drives for a person in need. Blood banking incentivized donations without the moral hazard of paying donors in cash.

      No longer. You have to pay for any blood you or your loved ones use, no matter how much you may have donated. Personal blood credit is used only in giving out award pins for lifetime donation totals. And we now have an ongoing donation shortfall that we never had before.

    10. Re:Old News by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      My favorite part was the first time I donated, when they gave me a flyer patting me on the back for it, which included a story about some guy who had needed 12 pints of blood transfused to pull through. 12 pints!

      According to their commercials, that same amount of blood could have saved up to 36 people who *weren't* spraying blood like a firehose. This is why we have a blood shortage! Priorities, people!

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    11. Re:Old News by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      Was that before or after HIV woke us up to the need to heavily screen each and every bag of blood that comes in? Was that before or after medical malpractice lawsuits became a way of life for a huge number of leeches (which in turn, drives up liability insurance)?

      I'm actually asking, I don't know a timeline. I just know that the costs have obviously increased greatly, to a point where not paying for it might not be viable today. Even if we WERE okay with letting people who didn't have enough credits go "bankrupt" by dying. Which I doubt we ever were.

    12. Re:Old News by Jbcarpen · · Score: 1

      While I don't think non-donors should just be left out in the cold, I do think that donors should get priority over non-donors when it comes to receiving donations. (Exceptions for those who have never been able to donate, such as children, anemics, hemophiliacs, etc...)

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    13. Re:Old News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where do you come from? Stupidtown?

      In the USofA all of the blood banks are not-for-profit organizations, which are not allowed to pay donors for their blood

      There is such a thing as autologous donations, where an individual banks their blood for an upcoming procedure

      I can see a non-organic blood substitute having a lot of value in places where there is a lack of blood due to high disease rates, lack of medical infrastructure, inability to test or store for use....

      But most of the western world has a glut of blood available and medical practices that reduce the need during surgery

    14. Re:Old News by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 1

      I read about this in Wired more than 5 years ago.

      Specifically, an article by Wil McCarthy, here:
      http://archive.wired.com/wired...

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    15. Re:Old News by HuntingHades · · Score: 1

      Do you have a citation to back this up? I can't find anything indicating that blood banks (at least in the US) were ever entirely based on a system of personal credits. The first "blood depots" were setup in the UK during World War I to store blood for treatment of battlefield injuries, and "blood bank" now almost always means the storage are of the hospital or medical center where the blood is kept Most, if not all, American blood centers allow both replacement blood drives which can replace the units used by someone and put credits towards their hospital bill, and some allow you to get credits in advance for yourself if used within a short period (like 2-3 weeks). Additionally, many of them will allow you to make autologous donations, or to donate for a specific person in advance, but those cases both require doctor's orders and processing fees. Here's an example: http://www.thebloodcenter.org/...

    16. Re:Old News by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Who needs a citation when I have those seasoned-citizen memories? I first started donating blood in high school (Norwalk, CA, early Sixties) because a relative had a string of surgeries and needed a lot of blood units. I did exactly the kind of blood banking that I describe to help make up her sanguinary deficit. My donations were at a Red Cross center. I resumed donating in Phoenix in the Eighties and Nineties, but the replacement system was no longer around.

    17. Re:Old News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you. I clicked on this expecting a lot more True Blood references. Instead I was treated to an onslaught of homophobic and diatribes condemning Big Blood Bank. Oh Internet you used to be more amusing.

    18. Re:Old News by hermitdev · · Score: 1

      I used to donate every other month. I stopped donating when my work hours changed to 7a-7p, and the donor group started calling & emailing weekly asking me to come in. I told the first caller I was unable to donate due to work hours. I kept getting the calls & emails. Even after asking to be removed from their calling/email lists, it continued for years. Even now that my hours would accommodate donating, I refuse to deal with that organization over their previous harassment.

  2. Tru Blood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And soon we'll be hearing about how vampires actually exist...

    1. Re:Tru Blood by tepples · · Score: 1

      I thought vampires had switched to pig blood from butcher shops by now.

    2. Re:Tru Blood by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      think of the Jewish and Muslim vampires, you insensitive clod!

    3. Re:Tru Blood by tepples · · Score: 1

      I haven't read the Qur'an, but I do know Jews aren't supposed to ingest blood anyway.--Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 17:11, 17:14.

    4. Re:Tru Blood by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

      There are religious opinion papers clarifying the distinction between transfusions in medical need, and *eating* blood. These still do not address the issues of vampirism. If one's body chemistry were such that blood were the only useful nourishment, the normal prohibition of eating "the blood is the life" (yes, it's in the old testament, not the new) would prohibit one from living. Or continuing being undead.

    5. Re:Tru Blood by alva_edison · · Score: 1

      If one's body chemistry were such that blood were the only useful nourishment ... would prohibit one from living.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...

      So, maybe.

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    6. Re:Tru Blood by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

      Well, yes, that's the point. A prohibition that would cause one to starve to death would violate the teaching of mishnah "And whoever saves a life, it is considered as if he saved an entire world." Saving a life takes precedence over other rules. However, if it's a question of someone dying the real death or saving them to continue being *undead*, I'm not so sure we can find talmudic citations.

  3. Let gay men donate by Noxal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know what else would help the shortage? Let gay men donate.

    1. Re:Let gay men donate by JMJimmy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And develop better screening tests - they rejected me and told me never to donate again because I have a protein in my blood that triggers a false positive on the cheap HIV test. A proper, more expensive, test works just fine though.

      That was a fun letter to get... starts off saying (paraphrasing) "Thank you for your donation, unfortunately your blood tested positive for HIV and cannot be accepted"... at this point most sane people might start freaking out and stop reading. When you do read on it explains it but I wonder how many people started calling people or crying before reading on.

    2. Re:Let gay men donate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The reason that gay men typically aren't allowed to donate isn't because they're gay. Rather, it's because the sexual practices they often engage in, namely anal sex, happen to readily transmit HIV and other STIs. The higher prevalence of such carriers within the gay community further increases the risk of contaminated blood.

      How do you propose this be dealt with? Clearly allowing tainted blood to be used is not an option. It does no good to have large amounts of unusable blood available.

    3. Re:Let gay men donate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about testing them for STIs before donating like the rest of the populace?

    4. Re:Let gay men donate by Noxal · · Score: 1

      1. Heterosexuals have more anal sex than homosexuals just by sheer volume (probably not by proportion though.

      2. African Americans are at higher risk for HIV than whites are. Should we just ban blacks from donating blood because they are at a higher risk of contracting and transmitting HIV?

      I'm sorry but "these people have higher risk factors" is not acceptable when you can just screen the damned blood.

    5. Re:Let gay men donate by Thiez · · Score: 1

      While one might argue that forbidding them from donating is unfair, or has a basis in incorrect assumptions, let us not pretend that allowing gay men to donate blood would make a significant difference if a shortage exists. What percentage of the population is a homosexual male? Perhaps 3%?

    6. Re:Let gay men donate by Noxal · · Score: 1

      Anywhere from 1% to 10% of the population. But yes, you're absolutely correct. My reply wasn't meant to detract from the original post at all; I'm ALL for artificial blood! Of course I'm gaymarried to a biomedical engineer so there's that. :P

    7. Re:Let gay men donate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Expensive and pointless. You're talking about a small niche: gay men without other obvious risk factors who want to donate.

    8. Re:Let gay men donate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but it's not any more of a risk than when heterosexuals engage in the same activities. It's specifically men that have sex with men. Women can have anal sex and still be OK to donate. They can even exchange drugs for the service and be cleared to give again within 2 years.

      Barring people that are clean from donating is ridiculous. And it's even more ridiculous now that there's same sex marriage and people might well have only had sex with their partner.

    9. Re:Let gay men donate by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 2

      Is there a half-life on Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease?

      They won't let "mad cows" from Britain donate here in Australia. But the outbreak over there was a couple of decades ago.

    10. Re:Let gay men donate by Noxal · · Score: 1

      Precisely. A prostitute is able to donate while a monogamous gay man is not.
      (I don't mean any offense to sex workers by that; prostitution should be 100% legal)

    11. Re:Let gay men donate by peragrin · · Score: 2

      Actually Mad Cow randomly pops up now and again. Aggressive testing though limits it's affect to a couple dozen cattle as opposed to whole herds.

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    12. Re:Let gay men donate by _merlin · · Score: 2

      Well it comes down to statistics. In Sydney, there's now supposedly greater than 20% HIV infection rate amongst gay men. It's quite high, and much higher than the HIV infection rate amongst the general population. This probably isn't the case everywhere, but in Sydney, a randomly selected gay guy is far more likely to be carrying HIV than a randomly selected person from the rest of the population.

      In Sydney the HIV infection rate amongst prostitutes is actually very low. However in Hanoi it's supposedly 30% (now this number might be inflated - prostitution is illegal in Vietnam, so the government might be stretching the truth a little to justify policy). One again, this is far higher than the HIV rate amongst the general population. A randomly selected prostitute in Hanoi is far more likely to be carrying HIV than a randomly selected person from the general population.

      What's the HIV infection rate amongst gay men in Hanoi? I don't know, but for argument's sake let's say it's lower than the general population. If this were the case, using the HIV statistic alone, it would make sense to accept blood donations from gay men but not prostitutes in Hanoi. But it makes sense to accept blood donations from prostitutes but not gay men in Sydney (one again, based on the HIV statistic alone; there are other statistics that could be used to argue against accepting blood donations from prostitutes in Sydney).

      Profiling is imperfect, but in theory it's still a useful like of defence. In reality it won't work so well, as people can lie pretty easily, especially if there's an incentive to doing so (e.g. prostitution is illegal in Vietnam, so a prostitute would be unlikely to list this as their occupation when donating blood). A lot of people also have some basic sense of responsibility, so gay or not a person who knows they're HIV positive is generally unlikely to donate blood (unless they're an arsehole, but then they'd likely lie to pass criteria anyway). Ultimately it's best to just trust no-one and test everything.

    13. Re:Let gay men donate by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      Agreed. The only reason they were ever banned from donating is the fear of disease. A fear that's bigoted and unfounded. Just force all blood donors to get tested for infection, regardless of orientation, then give the clean ones a certfification with expiry. Re-test as required to continue donating.

      Wrong. Gay men and/or people with HIV/AIDs should not be discriminated against but lets not pretend there is no difference in contraction rates.

      Your chance of contracting HIV is 18x higher if you're having anal sex. Gay men are far more likely to be having anal sex though not always (I have a gay friend that hates it an only does Oral... strange as that may be, he says its a common preference.) When those rules were put in place there was no test for HIV. Now testing is easy and cheap so the rules are pretty silly. Also, heterosexuals are having a lot more anal sex than they were 20yrs ago so they should be testing everything anyway.

      Again, no one should be discriminated against, but those rules were put into place when kids were dying from transfusions of blood from well meaning men that were sick and had no way of knowing. There was a lot of fear mongering back then, but these rules were not part of it.

    14. Re:Let gay men donate by Sable+Drakon · · Score: 1

      If you've got a lethal or debilitating pathogen lurking around in your blood, you should be discriminated against with respect to donating blood. That's why I propose that all donors should be tested, no matter what their sexual orientation is. You're right, testing is easy and cheap now. So do it to everyone and certify the clean donors.

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    15. Re:Let gay men donate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm sorry, but this is just politically correct feel good bullshit.

      Things that preclude you from donating blood:
      Intravenous drug use
      Promiscuous Sex (Yeah, that's right, all those people who say prostitutes can donate are wrong!)
      Having recently traveled to certain parts of the world
      Having recently received a piercing from a place other than a certified clinic (read piercing or tattoo parlor)
      If you've recently had a cold (and in fact, if you come down with a cold a few days later, they ask you notify them so they can dispose of the donation)
      If you don't weigh enough

      It's hardly singling out gays. And lets be honest here, peoples lives are LITERALLY at risk. And historically, gays tend to be more promiscuous than straights. If you're going to argue this, please explain why HIV was originally going to be named GIV. It's because the disease was so overwhelmingly limited to the gay population that at the headlines were just saying "mystery illness traveling through gay communities". Also throw in that anal sex is the best way to transmit the disease short of blood exchange. And a lot of that has to do with the common occurrence of rectal bleeding during anal sex. And remember, none of this is singling out gays, they just happen to live a lifestyle that tends to hit several of the high risk buttons just simply by how they choose their partners. Remember they ask about how many sexual partners you've had and when the last time you had unprotected sex was, regardless of your orientation. Why? Because even the best testing procedures fail sometimes. It's best to simply disallow high risk people from donating because people can actually die.

      Stop the PC bullshit, especially when it matters. Deal with FACTS, even if they're uncomfortable.

    16. Re:Let gay men donate by sexconker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Gay men, as a group, have the highest rate of HIV infection by far.
      Screening isn't perfect.

      It makes far more sense to prevent high risk blood from ever getting into the system than it does to draw it, store it, and try to detect it, and dispose of it it's bad.
      If someone's feelings get hurt, too fucking bad. I'd rather not die from tainted blood like my friend's mother did.

    17. Re:Let gay men donate by HJED · · Score: 1

      Or English people. (Yes you read that right, in Australia you can't donate blood if you lived in the UK before 1996)

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    18. Re:Let gay men donate by Snotnose · · Score: 1

      Why can't generally happy dudes give blood?

    19. Re:Let gay men donate by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      If you're going based off rate of infection then those from Florida, New York, and Louisiana should not be allowed to donate either since they're more than twice as likely as someone from Virginia and more than 18 times more likely than someone from Vermont.

      The fact is that they test all the blood for HIV/AIDS and a bunch of other things because if they don't they've got some hefty liability to deal with. What they are likely worried about is freshly infected individuals who are not diagnosed yet and won't show up on the test as a result. Those individuals are nearly as likely in the general population as the MSM population (something like 57% of new cases are MSM and 43% are from the rest of the population, according to the CDC) Eliminating 11 million (~3.5%) people from the donating pool because 28,000 of them a year will be diagnosed with HIV... debatable whether or not that's reasonable because if you eliminate all other factors New Yorkers have a higher infection rate (0.0029 vs 0.0025 for MSM)

    20. Re:Let gay men donate by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      disagreed. the fear of disease is quite justified, the percentage of gay men with AIDS is very high, CDC says 20%.

    21. Re:Let gay men donate by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      you have silly ideas about screening, a newly infected HIV case won't register on test for weeks.

      20% of heterosexuals don't have HIV, 20% of gay men do

      be happy lesbians can donate

    22. Re:Let gay men donate by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      so let's do the sensible thing and ban prostitutes just like we quite sensibly ban gay men.

    23. Re:Let gay men donate by compro01 · · Score: 2

      Is there a half-life on Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease?

      CJD has an insanely long incubation period. It can be over 50 years between infection and the onset of symptoms and they could be infectious for a significant portion of that.

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    24. Re:Let gay men donate by sjames · · Score: 1

      It is thought that it can take several decades to become symptomatic in some cases.

    25. Re:Let gay men donate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gay men are far more likely to be having anal sex...

      ...with Republicans but that's no reason to prevent them giving blood.

    26. Re:Let gay men donate by compro01 · · Score: 1

      then give the clean ones a certification with expiry. Re-test as required to continue donating.

      Certification shmertication. Test every single damn time. That's what they do up here in Canada. When you donate blood, they take a half-dozen additional vials of blood specifically for testing along with the unit itself.

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    27. Re:Let gay men donate by FuzzNugget · · Score: 1

      As righteous as this sounds, there are two counterpoints to make:

      1) do homosexual men *really* account for such a high number of rejected donors that it would make up for the shortfall? Somehow, I doubt it.

      2) they aren't rejected (only) on the unfounded stigma of increased AIDS susceptibility, but on the *legitimate* basis that anal sex is damaging to extremely sensitive tissue, making it vulnerable to increased infections in general.

    28. Re:Let gay men donate by QQBoss · · Score: 5, Interesting

      All donors ARE tested for HIV (at least in USA, Canada, and China), but the test is post-donation and not pre-donation. Donated blood is tested for far more than just HIV, as well, and failing that post-donation test can result in a temporary or permanent ban from future donations. Prescreening of donors reduces the cost of testing relative to acceptable donations, which is a useful tool for keeping the cost of the existing donor supply lower than it would be otherwise. The American Red Cross revisits this policy about every 5 years, IIRC, and goes through the math of where the percentage breakpoints are for breakeven results- when any population crosses that line the wrong way, a new question goes on the prescreening survey. Homosexually active men are no more discriminated against than people who got tattoos or ear piercings within a certain time period, or who lived in certain countries (don't be from Cameroon or Nigeria, for example). Want to change that? Try changing the incidence of disease in the indentifiable community below that break point, because manipulating only the math doesn't turn out well in any scenario.

      Giving a blood test for all the possible BBPs (blood borne pathogens) and other issues prior to donating is not cheap if the number of donors goes up by any significant amount of people who wouldn't qualify, so a prescreening survey is going to remain the most cost effective way of dealing with these issues and keeping the number of people who would dilute the quality of the blood supply low.

      If you don't qualify to pass the written prescreening test, and you still want to donate blood, at least in the USA you can do that. There is a box you can check to indicate that you want your blood disposed of after donation. This is most commonly used by drug users and homosexuals who are donating in the presence of family, co-workers, or friends who the donor feels are not aware of their situation. It wastes staff time and some property (collection bags, etc...), but allows an individual to maintain their privacy for a lower cost than a prescreening blood test would cost.

    29. Re:Let gay men donate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      20% of heterosexuals don't have HIV, 20% of gay men do

      80% of heterosexuals have HIV?!

    30. Re:Let gay men donate by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Really? ISTR that the last time I donated, there was a question about taking and/or giving money for sex.

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    31. Re:Let gay men donate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The last time I donated blood(for a relative), my blood was tested before I was allowed to donate. I thought that would be the norm as it makes sense and not waste blood after being donated. Why it is different from this procedure doesn't seem to make sense...

    32. Re:Let gay men donate by QQBoss · · Score: 3, Informative

      Donating for a specific person, in particular for yourself, is a special situation where things are done differently. For example, many of the conditions that would make you ineligible to donate to another person are waived if you are donating for personal use (and the blood is tossed if you wind up not needing it). Though it also depends on what you mean 'my blood was tested...' If you mean that you were tested for blood type and anemia, things that can be done with only the blood from a finger prick, 100% of people receive those tests in any modern medical environment (and even most not so modern ones). If you mean they did a full screening for HIV and other BBPs before you were allowed to give more than a finger prick's worth, then that is a specific situation not covered by general donation rules. For general situations, the written/oral prescreening is a much less expensive solution to having to run a myriad of tests (some cheap, some not so cheap) on a lot of blood that never should have been donated in the first place.

    33. Re:Let gay men donate by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      If you're going based off rate of infection then those from Florida, New York, and Louisiana should not be allowed to donate either since they're more than twice as likely as someone from Virginia and more than 18 times more likely than someone from Vermont.

      Shouldn't you specify a baseline infection rate if you're going to throw around "twice as likely" and "18 times more likely"?

      There's a difference between a base rate of 0.0001% going up to 0.0018%, and 1% going up to 18%.

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    34. Re:Let gay men donate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know what else would help the shortage? Let gay men donate.

      While there aren't a good reason to not led gay men donate I can't imagine that it would make more than a 10% difference at most. Probably less given that some blood transmittable diseases are slightly more common among gay men than the rest of the population.

    35. Re:Let gay men donate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In South Africa the highest incidence of HIV infection is actually in heterosexual woman.

    36. Re:Let gay men donate by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      If you're going based off rate of infection then those from Florida, New York, and Louisiana should not be allowed to donate either since they're more than twice as likely as someone from Virginia and more than 18 times more likely than someone from Vermont.

      Shouldn't you specify a baseline infection rate if you're going to throw around "twice as likely" and "18 times more likely"?

      There's a difference between a base rate of 0.0001% going up to 0.0018%, and 1% going up to 18%.

      No, because the point was that looking at subgroups based on single factors was rather narrow sighted. One looks at MSM (men having sex with men) and you see a higher rate of infection there compared to non-MSM and say it's more than twice as likely but then even within MSM the numbers are wildly varied by different sub-groups. Hispanic MSM are half as likely as Black MSM. So should hispanic MSMs be allowed to donate? My point was the absurdity of it. Vermont has 1.3 aids cases per 100,000 people, New York has 29.2 per 100,000, Connecticut is actually the worst at 139 per 100,000. In Connecticut 39% of new cases are blacks - should blacks be banned from donating blood? No.

    37. Re:Let gay men donate by shaitand · · Score: 1

      It's statistically founded and if they had the balls they'd reject African American males who have crazy high infection rates.

      HIV testing isn't cheap and forcing it on everyone would shrink the donor pool dramatically not increase it.

      Seriously, can we just having an equal opportunity to have your blood stolen stay off the agenda for the moment?

    38. Re:Let gay men donate by shaitand · · Score: 1

      1. I still highly doubt that. For one I think you underestimate the size of the homosexual population. For another, I think you are forgetting frequency. It is a common myth that women can't derive pleasure from anal sex (yes, it's a myth, there are two branches of the clitoris that drop to the anal passage and appropriate stimulation can actually put women in a continuous orgasm state that can last for... well I've always gotten tired or switched to something else without finding out if there is a limit to how long it could be stimulated but 3 hours+). Women are afraid of anal sex and their fear is generally confirmed by people who don't know how to do it right. Thus they tolerate this painful experience infrequently.

      2. Yes.

      "I'm sorry but "these people have higher risk factors" is not acceptable when you can just screen the damned blood."

      They screen all donated blood. Pre-screening dramatically cuts the cost of doing this and results in an INCREASED supply. Funding for collection and testing is a bigger factor in supply shortages than lack of donors.

    39. Re:Let gay men donate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If gay men want to donate blood, then the blood you receive needs to be labelled as such. Just like GMO foods, some people feel it's bad and some feel there's nothing wrong with it, either way the consumer has a right to know.

    40. Re:Let gay men donate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fear was well-founded in the disease's early days. It was pretty narrowly confined to a specific population, it was frighteningly widespread within that population, and the tests were not good enough to handle things like the incubation period. And so back then, the law made sense. Those were dark times.

      But that time is long over: 20 years or more, depending on how you count. The threat that the laws were designed to protect against -people who carried the disease without knowing it- is gone: anyone infected during that period either knows they have it, or is dead. The policy is no longer needed, and should change to reflect this reality.

    41. Re:Let gay men donate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Profiling was a useful, if blunt, defense back when they hadn't yet developed a test to detect HIV in the blood supply. That is no longer the case. These days, every unit of donated blood is tested for a wide variety of blood-born pathogens, *including* HIV, so there's no rational reason to exclude them from donating.

    42. Re:Let gay men donate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Of course they don't. They know they're not *allowed* to donate blood, so they don't try.
      2) Then the question should be "do you engage in anal sex?", not "are you homosexual?".

    43. Re:Let gay men donate by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Non Gays can get STD and Aids too.

      We are also talking about a larger population of people who are not gay so even if the percentage is down the actual number of units is higher. (That is why you should smack anyone who gives you facts in percentages) So more people get sick.

      In general this requirement is based off of general discrimination not from actual facts, or reason.

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    44. Re:Let gay men donate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HIV is about as dangerous as diabetes is in the developed world. But, we don't see this sort of hysteria being pointed at junk food menufacturers even though they kill a lot more people than HIV infections do.

      The donations are all tested against HIV and as long as the person didn't contract the disease within the last couple months the blood screens properly. Women are allowed to have anal sex in exchange for drugs without protection and after a couple of years they're allowed to donate again. I don't see why the rule against gay men needs to be so much more strict.

      Personally, I refuse to donate blood until they fix this bigoted rule. One of the reasons why the HIV rate is higher amongst gay men is because of this bigotry. There's a lot of prejudice and getting reliable information about how to protect yourself is really hard. My health insurer had a ton of information about this, as long as you weren't gay, in which case they had no actual information there. Same goes for high school sex ed, no information at all for gays and lesbians about how to protect ourselves against various infections.

    45. Re:Let gay men donate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last time I gave blood before I got sufficient offended to stop, it's a 2 year ban. So, as long as they stop doing it and haven't gotten any diseases, they can give after 2 years. Gay men that have had any sex at all with other gay men are banned for life. Doesn't matter if they're now in an exclusive relationship and tested free for many years, they're still banned for life because of the bigotry.

    46. Re:Let gay men donate by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      (That is why you should smack anyone who gives you facts in percentages)

      The total numbers don't help when you've got two people sitting in front of you, one with an established 20% chance of having it, and one with a 30% chance. You can lecture all you want about discrimination, but it doesn't change the fact that the second person is more of a risk.

      Whether it's *too much risk* is another question. So is donation procedure (pre or post test, etc.). Don't complain when the facts don't back you up.

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    47. Re:Let gay men donate by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      That's presumably why they have the "have you had sex with another man, even once, since 1970" question.

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    48. Re:Let gay men donate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not how statistics work. Statistics work on populations. So, you could tell the person A might need to wait a few months to make sure that the test comes out accurate, but that doesn't mean that person A is any more of a risk than person B is, it just means that over the whole population there's a higher risk.

      Two men that lose their virginity to each other are essentially a zero risk, but equally banned as if they go having sex with anybody that will say yes.

      The point here is that statistics tell you about the population, not about the individual and heterosexuals can engage in much higher risk behaviors and still be cleared to donate blood after a waiting period. You can't seriously suggest that a woman having unprotected anal sex with an HIV infected man in exchange for drugs is really a lower risk than a typical gay man? I mean seriously, that woman would have to wait 2 years before she was eligible to donate and those married men would never be allowed to marry.

    49. Re:Let gay men donate by TangoMargarine · · Score: 2

      In other news, HIV won't kill you

      Umm...excuse me? Troll much?

      Without treatment, average survival time after infection with HIV is estimated to be 9 to 11 years, depending on the HIV subtype.[4] After the diagnosis of AIDS, if treatment is not available, survival ranges between 6 and 19 months.[147][148] HAART and appropriate prevention of opportunistic infections reduces the death rate by 80%, and raises the life expectancy for a newly diagnosed young adult to 20–50 years.[146][149][150] This is between two thirds[149] and nearly that of the general population.[15][151] If treatment is started late in the infection, prognosis is not as good:[15] for example, if treatment is begun following the diagnosis of AIDS, life expectancy is ~10–40 years.[15][146] Half of infants born with HIV die before two years of age without treatment.[132]

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...

      So yeah, without treatment it kind of sounds like there's a good chance it'll kill you. Even with treatment, there's a 20% chance of fatality anyway.

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    50. Re:Let gay men donate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or English people. (Yes you read that right, in Australia you can't donate blood if you lived in the UK before 1996)

      Yeah, same in the US. It's fear of Mad Cow - even though I'm a vegetarian, since I lived in the UK in the 80s & early 90s they don't want me.

    51. Re:Let gay men donate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So lemme get this straight - you post a comment derived from complete and thorough ignorance, and you're going to blame the liberals, right?

      I don't care if you die from tainted blood. As a matter of fact, I don't care how you die at all. Just die already.

    52. Re:Let gay men donate by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      No, the reasons they're not allowed to donate are outdated reasons. It made sense when there was no test, or when the tests were less reliable. Today, we obviously have tests, every donation is tested. The false negative rate is 0.03%. So it's pretty safe to take a negative as a negative.

      Gay men are also more likely to have had an HIV test than most people, and they would self-exclude themselves if positive. Given that gay men could already simply lie, it's not like a whole lot would change there.

      As far as empirical evidence: it appears that bans on gay men donating blood doesn't do much. The American Medical Association is convinced it's a stupid policy.

      Lastly, there are drugs to treat HIV. If you die from a shortage of blood, there's no drugs yet to manage that.

    53. Re:Let gay men donate by xemit · · Score: 1

      Same boat, I actually enjoyed giving blood, didn't hurt and I was like this is something I could do regularly and it's going to help someone. That letter was real fun to get "Thanks for the donating at such and such jail (I donated at a University), you have tested positive for Hepatitis C and can no longer donate blood. That is a terrible feeling to have! Called the lab up got a person who really couldn't give a rat's butt to tell me "oh it's just a false positive, we tested again to be sure", you're blacklisted from ever donating again as we place you on our super secret secure list and we'll send you proof (never received it), have a nice day! "

    54. Re:Let gay men donate by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Maybe it's just because I'm not a statistics person so I'm not sufficiently screwy in the head, but I don't see how (picking one person from the population with a known percentage chance) is any different from (having a single person from the same population in front of you with the same chance).

      Like I said, questioning the rationale and methodology for the lines being drawn is a different issue. It sounds like you're saying "numbers don't work the way you think they do," which may be true.

      Two men that lose their virginity to each other are essentially a zero risk, but equally banned as if they go having sex with anybody that will say yes.

      Admittedly.

      You can't seriously suggest that a woman having unprotected anal sex with an HIV infected man in exchange for drugs is really a lower risk than a typical gay man?

      Give me the odds and I'll let you know. I have a college degree; I think I can manage multiplication.

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    55. Re:Let gay men donate by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Two men that lose their virginity to each other are essentially a zero risk, but equally banned as if they go having sex with anybody that will say yes.

      Admittedly.

      Although actually, you can contract HIV through childbirth if your mother has it, so there's still a nonzero chance if you don't know the health of the mother. Or blood transfusions etc. The chance is only zero for the specific vector of sexual transmission.

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    56. Re:Let gay men donate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2) they aren't rejected (only) on the unfounded stigma of increased AIDS susceptibility, but on the *legitimate* basis that anal sex is damaging to extremely sensitive tissue, making it vulnerable to increased infections in general.

      So, do they reject women on the basis that they've had anal sex because they could be more vulnerable? What's that? No, they don't?

      Do they even ask women this question?

      At that point, we're back to them being rejected on the unfounded stigma of increased AIDS susceptibility.

      If there was any truth to what you said, they would ask women "have you ever done anal?" and reject any that say yes.

      Sorry, but you are dead wrong and an idiot.

    57. Re:Let gay men donate by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      "Just force all blood donors to get tested for infection, regardless of orientation"

      Wow, OK. So if you don't think giving donors the run around will increase donations then you are the bigoted, homophobic ... etc.

    58. Re:Let gay men donate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the US a company couldn't test all of its cattle even it wanted to. The USDA controls access to the components necessary and was successful in defending its policy of only allowing a company to test a small percentage of its cattle.

    59. Re:Let gay men donate by Kalium70 · · Score: 1

      The American Red Cross actually favors allowing men who have had sex with men to donate after a 12 month deferral. It's the FDA that has insisted on the lifetime ban. The guidelines appear somewhat arbitrary, seemingly based on some late-1970s conception of which groups are "bad people."

      Consider John, who traded blow-jobs one time with his college friend in 1978, but since then has been in a monogamous relationship to a woman. The male/male sex was 36 years ago, but John is forever barred from donating blood. Now compare John to Mary: Mary traveled a lot on business, and it took her a while to realize that her husband was having anonymous, unprotected anal sex with men. It's been a little over a year since Mary last had sex with her (now ex-) husband, so she's free to donate.

      Then there's the whole issue that it's all on the honor system...

    60. Re:Let gay men donate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gay men, as a group, have the highest rate of HIV infection by far.
      Screening isn't perfect.

      It makes far more sense to prevent high risk blood from ever getting into the system than it does to draw it, store it, and try to detect it, and dispose of it it's bad.
      If someone's feelings get hurt, too fucking bad. I'd rather not die from tainted blood like my friend's mother did.

      Care to support that with some facts? I can't just take your word for it.

      Also, why does ignorant hate continually get modded up on this site?

    61. Re:Let gay men donate by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      just looked and in my state it is illegal for sex worker to donate. also, anyone that travelled to certain countries in certain years.

      looks like people just want the "feel good" of blood donation at any cost and with no regard to others, that they should be entitled to do that. screw that thinking, go enjoy your newly conferred gay marriage right and employment rights and to be able to be "out of the closet in society", etc.

    62. Re:Let gay men donate by compro01 · · Score: 1

      HIV testing isn't cheap and forcing it on everyone would shrink the donor pool dramatically not increase it.

      Sure it is. Canadian Blood Services tests every single blood donation for HIV (also Hep C, West Nile, and others). The testing is done after the fact, so there's no waiting or anything. They just take a half dozen vials of blood in addition to the unit.

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    63. Re:Let gay men donate by compro01 · · Score: 1

      Wow, OK. So if you don't think giving donors the run around will increase donations then you are the bigoted, homophobic ... etc.

      Run around? "Test everyone for everything" is the standard up here and there's no "run around". They just take a half dozen vials of blood in addition to the unit, all through the same needle.

      They first fill a little bag with blood (it's all integrated into the donation pack), then they clamp off that line and direct the blood to the main collection bag and fill the vials from the first bag while you fill the big one. It adds maybe a minute to the collection. The actual testing is all done after donation. If the testing shows something important, you get a letter in the mail.

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    64. Re:Let gay men donate by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      I guess I misunderstood you. When you said "just force all blood donors to get tested for ..." you're not really imposing anything extra on the donors since they don't know about it.

      That seems like an odd way to phrase it originally, but it's OK to be odd.

      Or so I hope ...

    65. Re:Let gay men donate by compro01 · · Score: 1

      1. I'm not the guy you replied to. I was just giving an example of how such testing regimes work where they are done.

      2. They should know about it. It's in the pamphlet you're supposed to read.

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    66. Re:Let gay men donate by compro01 · · Score: 1

      you have silly ideas about screening, a newly infected HIV case won't register on test for weeks.

      Actually, it's not even weeks anymore. The window period for the nucleic acid amplification test Canadian Blood Services uses is 13 days.

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    67. Re:Let gay men donate by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "Sure it is."

      No, actually it's not. They screen every donation in the US as well, that's why they have a questionnaire to eliminate high risk groups. I imagine in Canada the people doing those tests are on state salaries and would be sitting around getting paid regardless. In the US the non-profit donation driven organizations collecting blood have to pay third party labs on a per test basis. Generally those organizations run out of money to collect and screen donations before they run out of willing blood donors. It makes absolutely no sense for them to take blood from high risk groups, have more collected donations fail, and therefore have a higher cost per usable pint of blood.

  4. Religious Objections by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know some people reject blood transfusions based on religious beliefs - if any of those are here, would you have an objection to artificial blood?

    1. Re:Religious Objections by Circlotron · · Score: 2

      If it is made entirely of non-blood components I would have no objection. Same goes for non-blood volume expanders such as Haemaccel, Saline, Ringers Lactate, Dextran, etc.

    2. Re:Religious Objections by rgmoore · · Score: 2

      I expect it would depend on the details. People have experimented with at least two classes of blood substitutes: hemoglobin based and fluorocarbon based. I assume people with religious scruples would be OK with fluorocarbon-based substitutes. Hemoglobin-based substitutes would probably be classified as processed blood still be off limits, unless the hemoglobin were actually recombinant and not extracted from blood.

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  5. All they got was the money to do the research... by AndroSyn · · Score: 1

    It sounds like they just got awarded funding to do the research, which is nice and all. If money was the solution to all of the world's medical problems, surely we would have solved all sorts of issues by now, but science just doesn't work that way. Now don't get me wrong, I hope they succeed in producing a blood substitute, but I'll get excited when they have an available product.

  6. Let gay men donate by Sable+Drakon · · Score: 2

    Agreed. The only reason they were ever banned from donating is the fear of disease. A fear that's bigoted and unfounded. Just force all blood donors to get tested for infection, regardless of orientation, then give the clean ones a certfification with expiry. Re-test as required to continue donating.

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  7. This is nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They have been working on artificial blood for, at least, 20 years. It seems they have been very close for a long time, but it never seems to quite get there.

  8. I used to donate blood... by kuhnto · · Score: 2

    Then i found outnhow much blood banks were making selling donated blood to hospitals and other places that nneded blood or plasma. It was discusting, not to mention the huge salaries that were supported basted on these fees. I think one story was based on the Central Florida Blood Bank. I think NPR's Planet Money did a show on this also. Do not believe all those " our reserves are low, donate now". Sorry, it was Radio Lab - http://www.radiolab.org/story/...

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    1. Re:I used to donate blood... by kuhnto · · Score: 2

      Please excuse my misspellings, as I am in the bathtub.

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    2. Re:I used to donate blood... by kuhnto · · Score: 1

      On a saran-wrap covered iPad

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    3. Re:I used to donate blood... by kuhnto · · Score: 1

      While having a glass of wine

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    4. Re:I used to donate blood... by kuhnto · · Score: 1

      ...oh did i mention that we just adopted a new baby boy?

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    5. Re:I used to donate blood... by mysidia · · Score: 4, Informative

      Then i found out how much blood banks were making selling donated blood to hospitals and other places that nneded blood or plasma.

      Then donate to the red cross. They are not selling it for a profit. People who won't donate for some perception of money changing hands -- should remember, that one day you may be on the other side of this equation, and dependent on some stranger to make a blood donation, as vital to your own survival.

      The fewer donated units are available, the more expensive it will get, and the more people that may die, because the supply or money wasn't there to get them the transfusion they needed.

      By law, all the blood donations in the US have to come from volunteers -- donors are not allowed to sell blood.

      It is very expensive to administer a blood bank; there are a lot of costs involved in getting the product, maintaining the product, ensuring the safety of the product, and distributing the product.

      Red cross says they do not charge for the blood itself --- but they do recover costs from hospitals for each unit distributed which they say are the costs of recruiting donors, screening potential donors, collection of blood by trained professionals, processing, storing, labelling, and the testing of each unit of each blood unit in state of the art laboratories.

    6. Re:I used to donate blood... by rgmoore · · Score: 2

      Then donate to the red cross.

      Or directly to a hospital that collects its own donations. Even non-profits like the Red Cross add extra layers of bureaucracy.

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    7. Re:I used to donate blood... by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 2

      I know several people who would be dead if not for you. Hate me if you like, but hospitals pay because insurance pays because people don't understand the value of insurance.

      Hospitals charge because people don't pay.

      People don't pay because insurance does.

      Consider to whom you donate, but please do consider donating to someone.

      Tell me to donate and shut up if you like, but I cannot. I can only remind you that people, flawed as they may be, deserve more than your cynicism.

    8. Re:I used to donate blood... by Hategrin · · Score: 2

      Bullshit. There is a clinic that would pay people 40 bucks a pop per "plasma" donation. I used to go there back when I was making minimum wage and flip an ounce of my plasma into a silver bullion coin once every week. That's almost 3 pounds of silver a year just to be at 90% strength for a few hours instead of 100. They would also test your blood for infection, your sugar / protean levels and what not, so it was a way to monitor your health and actually get paid for it.

    9. Re:I used to donate blood... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Typically, those plasma collection places are making products that are not for human transfusion. When you donate your blood for transfusion they spin off the cells and make packed RBCs, then the plasma is frozen (FFP) and sometimes they are able to produce cryopreciptate, as well. If the place only takes plasma, they're doing other things besides human transfusion such as medicianl products.

    10. Re:I used to donate blood... by Jmc23 · · Score: 1

      Does the saran wrap make the ipad more comfortable to sit on? Or is it just for waterproofing?

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    11. Re:I used to donate blood... by mysidia · · Score: 3, Informative

      Plasma donation is likely not for transfusion into a patient; the plasma itself is valuable to pharmaceutical companies for putting together various protein products and treatments for disease. A fractionation process can be used on plasma to derive various components, such as the immunoglobins, coagulation factors, and albumin solutions.

      The components of plasma are absolutely vital for the creation of certain vaccines and treatment of certain disease, such as factor VIII and factor IX proteins which may be administered in the hospital to hemophiliacs, or people suffering from liver disease or anticoag overdose.

      There is a much larger market for these products than for transfusions, and there is commercial interest in obtaining the plasma needed to derive these products.

    12. Re:I used to donate blood... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Red Cross blood goes directly to the vampires.

    13. Re:I used to donate blood... by kuhnto · · Score: 1

      Just waterproofing. Nothing like Slashdot in the tub.

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    14. Re:I used to donate blood... by misexistentialist · · Score: 2

      A "non-profit" that pays the CEO a million dollars.

    15. Re:I used to donate blood... by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Or you could fix the joke that is the US health industry. Civilised countries don't have such issues, and donation is not a money-spinning endeavour for everyone involved.

    16. Re:I used to donate blood... by NewWorldDan · · Score: 1

      By law, all the blood donations in the US have to come from volunteers -- donors are not allowed to sell blood

      Then fix the law. I'll give my blood away for free when everyone working at the blood bank and the hospital start working for free as well. Until then, my O-Neg blood is staying where it is. Frankly, it takes balls to ask me to donate when everyone else in the system is in there for the money. Pay people for blood and the shortages will disappear. At least in the US. 3rd world countries may have other institutional problems getting in the way.

    17. Re:I used to donate blood... by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Then fix the law. I'll give my blood away for free when everyone working at the blood bank and the hospital start working for free as well.

      Unless you are promising to spend 4 hours a day 7 days a week of your life continuously donating blood, then you are insisting that these people be treated unfairly. As is, they receive low pay working for a non-profit.

      These people need to eat as well.

      There is also not a sufficient supply of qualified individuals that volunteers working just a few days a week would be sufficient.

    18. Re:I used to donate blood... by mysidia · · Score: 1

      A "non-profit" that pays the CEO a million dollars.

      I would encourage you to avoid libelous assertions. The American Red Cross' published financials show the CEO makes less than $600,000; which is less than 0.01% of the American Red Cross's annual expenses; ~90% of which are spent on programs, and ~4% are administrative overhead costs such as administrative staff.

      By the way.... if the CEO moved to a for-profit company, they could expect a minimum of about $10 million a year plus stock options. If the ARC weren't willing to pay at least half a million: there is basically no way they could find a decent administrator on the market. The people who would be qualified, would simply have to go somewhere else.

      To be clear: the professionals that charities have to run their organization, while they may often donate to their own organization, they may even be so passionate about their work that they choose to donate extra by working for a lesser amount than they would require to be employed by a for-profit company ---- but it is not strictly true that there is a good supply of prospective full time volunteers who would be willing to work less for the job that needs to be done, And the workers are by no means full time "volunteers";

      It would also be completely unfair to ask them to be

      These people do actually require compensation to be retained full time, AND working for a lower compensation hurts them not only financially at their current job, BUT double hurts them if they need to switch employers, the new employer will often require their previous salary, and it will be used as a factor in assessing them and possibly determining the maximum amount they would be offered.

    19. Re:I used to donate blood... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plasma donation is the equivalent of strip mining your blood. I would donate whole blood before giving up the plasma proteins that function in immunity, clotting, etc. They are taking many units of blood worth of these important fractional components during plasma donation. Donating whole blood implies they only take the pro rata portion of the plasma immunoglobulins, etc.

      Do what you like, though.

  9. This is the beginning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the beginning of the Zombie Apocalypse when that artificial blood turns green, it is the end..

  10. Unnatural disasters by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

    immediately accessible at the site of natural disasters.

    ...So a nutcase decides to start the new revolution by blowing up a park, or an incompetent building contractor builds an apartment complex that collapses... but the victims do not get the precious artificial blood, because their disaster was unnatural.

    Engineers do not play well with appeals to emotion.

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  11. Even more money... by jpellino · · Score: 1

    ... sell the naming rights to HBO

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  12. Half-blood Prince by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mudblood
    True Blood
    Blood Ties.

    Come on guys, there's plenty of material here for jokes

  13. sarruan drwpped ipsd id ofvertrated by jpellino · · Score: 1

    ands wd-40 us ecvn wporswe

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  14. Source web site: http://www.haemo2.com/technology. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I wish the site had more details on the molecules(s) the groups is working on. I worked on a similar project in the in the 1990s, also using E. coli as the host organism for producing the rHb, using an engineered gene to link the dimers together with a short run of amino acids to keep the tetramer together and reduce the nephrotoxicity of free native Hb in the bloodstream. This topic as long been of interest even though I've been out of the biotech game for almost 15 years now. I hope they can pull this off and bring the product to market, that would be exciting!

    Of course, a Zombie Apocalypse would almost as much fun....

  15. If vampires can't use it, it's no good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously. No mention of if vampires can drink it? News articles are useless.

  16. Sign of the Crab by tepples · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't know about a cure for Cancer, but I do know that Cancer can largely be prevented by abstaining from sex in October.

    1. Re:Sign of the Crab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm a Virgo you insensitive clod!

    2. Re:Sign of the Crab by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a Virgo you insensitive clod!

      I think you meant to say, "I'm a *virgin* you insensitive clod!", FTFY ;^)

    3. Re:Sign of the Crab by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      He's a BSG virgin, typing away at his computron.

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  17. JWs' view and my view by tepples · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Jehovah's Witnesses readily accept expanders not made from human blood. I used to associate with Jehovah's Witnesses but stopped about a year ago after discovering contradictions in the denomination's other doctrines. My own personal interpretation of "the life is in the blood" (Genesis 9:4, Leviticus 17:11, 17:14, Acts 15:29) means I'd reject red and white blood cells, but platelets and plasma are acceptable in a pinch because those aren't living cells.

    1. Re:JWs' view and my view by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The red blood cells of mammals do not contain a nucleus and as such are physically unable of reproduction. One could argue that they are not truely living.

    2. Re:JWs' view and my view by chooks · · Score: 1

      I hate to break it to you, but platelets have mitochondria, consume energy, have cellular processes, activation/deactivation signals, etc..., so not quite sure that classifying them as "not living cells" is accurate.

      On another note, you found contradictions in a Christian religion's doctrines? Shocking! Excuse me while I head to my fainting couch...

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    3. Re:JWs' view and my view by tepples · · Score: 1

      I guess you're right: platelets are more alive than I thought. But what does that say about plasma?

    4. Re:JWs' view and my view by chooks · · Score: 1

      Plasma is primarily water with a collection of proteins (performing a variety of opposing functions) and should contain no viable cells. There is probably a chance of contamination with viable cells (probably more common in plasma derived from whole blood, but I have no data/sources to back this up) but this may also depend on the type of plasma (e.g. frozen vs liquid -- but again I have no data at the moment to indicate risks on one versus the other).

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  18. No zombie apocalypse by tepples · · Score: 1

    A zombie apocalypse would end as quickly as it starts.

  19. Should pay donors by evilviper · · Score: 1

    It's incredibly ridiculous that people are asked to donate blood as a charitable act, while every other person and organization along the line, makes a hefty profit on processing and selling your donated blood, at astronomical rates, to people who have no alternative but immediate death.

    If they offered even a trivial amount of money ($5 per pint) the numbers would be shored up in short order. Those with major reservations wouldn't suddenly run to the blood bank, but those who were thinking about it, anyways, would be encouraged not to procrastinate. And for the poor, struggling from paycheck to paycheck, $5 might just balance their budget during the occasional shortfall.

    They already pay good money for plasma, so it's hardly unheard of.

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    1. Re:Should pay donors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's incredibly ridiculous that people are asked to donate blood as a charitable act, while every other person and organization along the line, makes a hefty profit on processing and selling your donated blood, at astronomical rates, to people who have no alternative but immediate death.

      If they offered even a trivial amount of money ($5 per pint) the numbers would be shored up in short order. Those with major reservations wouldn't suddenly run to the blood bank, but those who were thinking about it, anyways, would be encouraged not to procrastinate. And for the poor, struggling from paycheck to paycheck, $5 might just balance their budget during the occasional shortfall.

      They already pay good money for plasma, so it's hardly unheard of.

      Not exactly the same, but I put food on the table during school by selling my blood to research groups around town. I'm all for supporting research but I probably wouldn't have given anywhere near as much blood without the money changing hands. (for the record I am prohibited from donating blood for clinical purposes in the US)

  20. What money can't buy, the moral limits of markets by PeterM+from+Berkeley · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You need to read that book.

    Taking money for blood might have the opposite effect on the supply. In the book from the title, Swiss were asked if their community would be willing to host a nuclear waste storage facility for the good of the country. Many Swiss were on board with it--for the good of their country. A subset of Swiss from the same community were asked if they'd store the waste for $. Those Swiss said NO WAY. The good of their country was far more motivating for the Swiss than $.

    And take me for example. $5 is in no way compensation for the enduring the needle stick and the time involved. I doubt $20 would motivate me. Maybe not even $100. However, I've donated 2 gallons or more. I do it because of this thought: one small needle stick for me, and a bit of time, and maybe someone gets to live.

    And I'm the least-risk group of donors, selected partly by my lack of $ motivation. I don't need money for drugs because I don't take them. D'you really want to give drug addicts motive to donate blood to get money? Sometimes there isn't time for blood to be exhaustively screened before use.

    Also, recent experience shows that the most powerful motivator for blood donation is solidarity. Blood donation went through the roof after 9/11 and other disasters. They literally couldn't stick people with needles and drain 'em fast enough.

    I really think that if we want more blood supply, we need to beat the solidarity drum, and make it really convenient for people to donate.

    Best,

    --PeterM

  21. biopure? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    i remember reading a harvard business case study about a similar product called biopure in the mid-00s - that didn't end well if i remember right

    1. Re:biopure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the annals of battlefield and emergency medicine are littered with blood substitutes that failed. I like to think that we'll get there someday, but I'm not particularly optimistic that the group in Essex is going to fare any better than earlier efforts.

    2. Re:biopure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone who lost a ton of money on BPUR, I can confirm this.

    3. Re:biopure? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A.C. because I'm in the industry.
      I read the same HBR case during my MBA studies and did some follow-up on the case for extra credit.

      Biopure/Hemopure were re-manufactured hemoglobin compounds derived from cow or pig red cell sources (triggering Jewish and Islamic objections). The best of that product generation, PolyHeme, from human red blood cells, made it to a special phase III clinical trial (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PolyHeme).

      Thus far, all these hemoglobin derived products suffer the same deficiency, the patient's body breaks them down within 24-48 hours. Get that durability out to a week or two, and you will have a useful product.

  22. Re:What money can't buy, the moral limits of marke by tepples · · Score: 1

    I don't need money for drugs because I don't take them. D'you really want to give drug addicts motive to donate blood to get money?

    That depends on to what extent health insurance covers drugs.

  23. Re:What money can't buy, the moral limits of marke by evilviper · · Score: 1

    I'm well aware of such counter-effects, but they are very unlikely to overwhelm the gains. As I said, this is used for plasma donations quite successfully.

    we need to beat the solidarity drum

    They have been... quite extensively... and are still coming up short.

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  24. Re:All they got was the money to do the research.. by slew · · Score: 1

    FWIW, they apparently have a paper and a website...

    As I understand it, although many previous hemoglobin substitutes have been tried and tested, the hemoglobin tends to eventually becomes toxic. Their new approach is to re-engineer the hemoglobin molecule to attach tyrosine which apparently has the effect of allowing some natural cleaning processes in the blood to reduce toxic build up before it gets to bad (in theory)...

    Of course they'll have to test it eventually. Hopefully it won't be a *opt-out* processes the way they attempted to test Polyheme (an earlier effort by Northfield labs). To opt-out, of the Polyheme trial, you had to pre-order a bracelet and *wear-it-all-the-time* to prevent being randomly given Polyheme instead of blood as part of your emergency treatment by a hospital participating in that trial.

  25. Not so new. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not exactly a blood substitute but a friend who survived the killing fields told me how the used coconut juice IV's to treat blood loss.

    1. Re:Not so new. by Circlotron · · Score: 1

      My father told me they were using coconut juice in PNG during WW2. The idea was that seeing the patient wasn't competing in a triathlon they could temporarily get by with a lot less blood cells; the important thing was that there was enough liquid volume circulating, albeit diluted. Not enough volume means your heart starts sucking bubbles, then it's all over, red rover.

  26. Meat Donor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One little letter and this is a completely different article...

  27. Try to donate blood by arvindattri · · Score: 1

    Blood donation is very good for health so we want to donate blood.

  28. Let me be the first to say... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 0

    ...blah!

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  29. More hiding the truth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "much of that which is donated is not accessible to many who need it, such as those in developing countries."

    Gee... I wonder why that would be...
    Don't the people in 'developing' (LOL) countries have blood?

  30. Re:What money can't buy, the moral limits of marke by iamhigh · · Score: 1

    An Army for free
    Working to help industry;
    That profit from thee.

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  31. Predicting the next epidemic by Guppy · · Score: 2

    Just force all blood donors to get tested for infection, regardless of orientation, then give the clean ones a certfification with expiry. Re-test as required to continue donating.

    Back in the 80's, one of the things we learned from the opening stages of the AIDS epidemic is the possibility that a new disease agent will enter the human population, sight unseen. If such a new virus were to appear, it could spread silently for years before being identified (just has HIV did).

    It is this risk which had led to the exclusion of the gay population. The elevated risk for HIV infection in that population serves as a marker -- it demonstrates that they have the epidemiological risk characteristics to become the initial host for such a new disease, should it ever appear. By excluding higher-risk groups, the idea is to slow down the opening stages of the next epidemic.

    1. Re:Predicting the next epidemic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the HIV 'patient zero' had been a heterosexual man/woman, the disease would be more prominent in the heterosexual population. Would you then argue that *they* should be prohibited from donating blood because *they* are a 'higher-risk group'?

      Remember, these days we have tests which will determine whether or not a particular person is infected.

  32. That'd mean your mother is probably dead by tepples · · Score: 1

    Women who undergo menopause "do not contain" a functioning ovary "and as such are physically unable of reproduction. One could argue that they are not truely living." Do you agree with how this sounds?

    1. Re:That'd mean your mother is probably dead by dave420 · · Score: 1

      So when you scrape your arm and kill some cells, you consider yourself a murderer. Gotcha. Great logic there!

      Hint: cell != person.

    2. Re:That'd mean your mother is probably dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um... yes? Though honestly I don't think people over 50 have the right to live (they are completely useless), so I am a bit of a biased sample.

    3. Re:That'd mean your mother is probably dead by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      They were capable of reproduction at one point, though. Blood cells never are.

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  33. Kind of behind the curve aren't they? by shaitand · · Score: 1

    http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/a-romanian-scientist-claims-to-have-developed-artificial-blood-180947565/?no-ist

  34. In the US, the Red Cross's rules are nuts by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

    I can't speak for other countries where things may be different, but the US rules on exclusion that the Red Cross uses get more and more exclusionary every year and are now a bit nuts in my opinion. I was a regular blood donor and they used to call me and tell me that they liked to get my blood because it was "unusually clean" and was very suitable for giving to infants. Early this year I tried to donate and they deferred me for a year. Want to know why? It's because I rode on a train for no more than 60 minutes through a "malaria area". I traveled last year to China and I took a train ride of not more than 60 minutes between two large towns. The towns themselves were fine, but the area between them is supposedly a "malaria risk area". Even though I have had zero symptoms they consider my blood to be "at risk for malaria" and I can't donate until 1 year after the trip. So I'm sorry infants, but no blood from me for a while. The Red Cross had a worker who called me a few days after my deferral to talk to me about it and I told her that I felt that the Red Cross was far too exclusionary and she said she agreed with me, but there was nothing she could do about it. OK, maybe some of you will say that while there is little chance I have malaria, it's not zero and they need to be careful. OK, maybe - maybe - you have a point. Maybe. But are you aware that since last year there have been new exclusionary rules on women and now in the USA the majority of women who have ever been pregnant, even if they lost the baby, now cannot ever donate blood? Pregnant women may contain some kind of anti-body that a small number of blood recipients react violently towards so they've decided to ban something like 75% of pregnant women from ever donating again because that's about how many have this anti-body. It's going to reach the point where the only people the Red Cross in the US will ever take blood from are men who have never traveled outside the US even once. I predict that will be the next restriction.

  35. Re:What money can't buy, the moral limits of marke by dave420 · · Score: 1

    Or if you live in a decent country where drug addicts get free treatment, including free drugs if required, meaning they don't even consider donating blood to be a good thing to do.

  36. Sounds like a recipe for Zombies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First thought I had was that this seemed like a plot from a bad zombie movie....
    Worldwide blood shortage... scientists find a blood substitute... somehow it gets tainted... and everyone is infected with some unknown virus... turning us to zombies etc...

  37. Re:What money can't buy, the moral limits of marke by operagost · · Score: 1

    Gee... I wonder what would have happened if they'd been told it was for money AND the public good. And how much money? And does it go into my bank account, or into the town coffers? Huh...

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  38. The Secret's in the Crystals by WheezyJoe · · Score: 1

    Are dark, sparkling Foldger's Crystals rich enough to keep these patients alive and well?

    Spokesman: How do you feel?

    Patient #1: Fine, thank you.

    Spokesman: Did you know that we've replaced all of your blood with Foldger's Crystals?

    Patient #1: An instant?

    Spokesman: That's right.

    Patient #1: I can't believe it. I feel great. I'm full of Foldger's Crystals, really?

    Spokesman: Yes, and so are all the other patients in this intensive care unit. How do you all feel?

    [ The other patients show reactions of approval ]

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  39. Re:What money can't buy, the moral limits of marke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course you know that with that druggie 420 in your reg'd loser name here. You are a total waste head, that much is obvious. You claim to be a programmer I see. What have you ever done that we can see or download to use? Nothing obviously. You're full of shit as well. Webpage crap is all I see you speak of. I know children in elementary school doing that. That is what smoking your 420 pot does to you. It kept you at that level your entire wasted life, loser.

  40. Re:What money can't buy, the moral limits of marke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why then, if it's so high and noble for people to donate blood, don't the processing/screening services do the same? Get a unit of blood in the hospital, and check what the end cost is- there are lots of layers in there, each of which exacts a healthy charge. Every layer except the most critical one- without which none of the others would be even possible- the "donor".

    That "invisible hand" is awfully hard to escape. Offer some consideration- whether cash, a true "blood bank" as others have mentioned, or some other consideration, and I think you'll find that shortages of blood, and even postmortem-donated organs would be a thing of the past. As it stands now, US federal law forbids us from receiving money from our body parts- as if the government owns our very bodies and can to dictate such a thing.

    If people have problems with "altruism", nothing is stopping them from turning that money over to another charity. As it is now, the pure "altruism" model is resulting in people losing their lives. What's more important- that the most people get a chance at life, or that some people get to feel good about themselves?