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Behind the Great Firewall: What It's Really Like To Log On From China
alphadogg (971356) writes China makes headlines every other week for its censorship of the Internet, but few people outside the country know what it's like to live with those access controls, or how to get around them. This IDG News Service writer has lived in China for close to six years and censorship has been a near constant, lurking in the background ready to "harmonize" the Web and throw a wrench in his online viewing. It's been especially evident this month. Google's services, which don't follow the strict censorship rules, are currently blocked. How long that will last is unknown, but it coincides with the 25th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square protests earlier this month — an event the Chinese government wants no one to remember.
Just run a Tor obfuscated bridge.
A bullet may have your name on it, but artillery is addressed to " Whom It May concern"
As soon as you talk about how to get around the Great Firewall of China...
...that method suddenly stops working.
(Somewhere in Beijing, a Zman adds "*.astrill.com" to the blocklist.)
So it's like a work or school network that covers an entire country. "Few people outside the country know what it's like to live with those access controls, or how to get around them," is total crap. Many, many people know exactly what it's like. Plenty of people outside China have been fired, expelled, or jailed for getting around access controls. Kids today are spoiled brats who grow up with home Internet and no restrictions as long as mommy pays the Internet bill. They have no comprehension of what it was like to have school or work be the only Internet access available.
It's nice to want things.
Thing about it is, if China's ruling party could hold on to power without committing further abuses then time would probably actually be on their side for forgetting about Tiananmen. After all, my own country committed terrible atrocities throughout its existence and we simply look at those transgressions in a historical context, but between limiting the amount of time that our leaders are in power (at least the President) and peacefully transitioning between those leaders makes it easier to let go. China doesn't have any of that going for them.
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
I lived in China for 10 years. I don't like their censorship but I have to admit, they are very good at it. And they've developed something that the NSA can only wet dream about. I shudder to think how much computing power is used. They don't simply block content, they also modify it (text and images, particularly). For example, if you're looking at some standard western porn (white man fucking a white woman) they run image filters to shrink the penis size. There are some image artifacts but if you weren't familiar with white cock you'd probably mistake them for jpg compression. Interestingly, they don't shrink black cock.
I live in China. Everyone I know hops the GFW with ease. It is a non-issue on laptops and cell phones.
These guys have a storefront in Shanghai:
http://vpninja.net/
You go to the store, you pay in Chinese currency and they give you a log in. It is fast and reliable.
Lots of people I know use Astrill. (astrill.com)
Of course anyone who is actually worried about security will set up their own server abroad and use putty or OpenVPN to access YouTube.
...few people outside the country know what it's like to live with those access controls, or how to get around them...
Well, there are the millions that visit China each year, and anyone who's ever bothered setting up a VPN connection so they could FaceTime with family or whatever.
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
"And we'll block any web site that says there is!"
They are dismantling the sleeping middle class. More and more people are becoming poor. We are their cattle. We are being bred for slavery.
Who is 'they'?
At a personally uncritical time, I remember seeing a clip a few years ago of U.S. President Truman being pissed while storming out of some international game changing economic summit after the second world war (in the late 1940's). Being asked what happened, he responded with "They're trying to set it up so that they'll put all of us, everyone, permanently in debt forever." or something to that effect.
I've been trying to relocate it with no success to see how much of it was misunderstood by my personal opinions that I may have put into his comment. Does anyone recall anything about this? Was it just a specific temporal non-issue or something more on a grander somewhat conspiratorial scale?
He was talking about the US being saddled with paying for the lions share of the post-war recovery efforts.
I was thinking the se the other day, it would be interesting to tunnel into china and see what they see
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
Ask any Russian guys, they (p)own plenty of XPs in China.
I'm a chemistry teacher at a private school in Kunming, China. I use a VPN to get around. First of all half the battle is the terrible infrastructure here. I use a VPN to access everything I need to but I am constantly in a battle to stay connected with my 1Mb/s 500ping connection. If you don't have a VPN you are pretty crippled for most common sites like Google and social media. BTW Slashdot works fine without a VPN.
1. Demand democracy.
2. Convince someone else to follow and on and do the same (including convincing someone else.)
Not exactly what you're asking for, but similar:
http://www.blockedinchina.net/
http://www.greatfirewallofchina.org/
http://www.websitepulse.com/help/testtools.china-test.html
http://viewdns.info/chinesefirewall
I've spent some time in various parts of China. I simply set up 2 AWS micro instances running SQUID listening only on localhost and then ssh tunneled my laptop into them (I set up several ports for sshd to listen on just in case they blocked one or more). Had no problems. This has been known to work for quite some time reliably. Now and then you'd get a slowdown or your connections would drop, but overall it worked fine. Fire up your SSH client, use the -L option to tunnel a local port over to squid (and the -p option if you need to use an alternate ssh port) and you are all set. I upsed 2 machines just in case they got wise to the first one I'd have a fallback, but they didn't bother it.
Now, a friend of mine that used this technique set up a machine in his basement, and some nice chinese hackers broke into it and rummaged around. So you may find that you COULD get some attention this way, and you probably want to be not-too-foolish about how you utilize your nice little door to the world. In my case I just used it to browse my favorite sites, do some email, and a few things like that.
Its also worth noting that the GFW doesn't seem to do much with non-http protocols. It is known to block most VPN software, but Skype for instance works fine (though again, I wouldn't count on it being safe from prying eyes, and skype is known to leak certain types of information).
Honestly, I think Chinese internet sensorship is intended more to control the information flow INSIDE China and stop people from getting together and DOING anything political. They rarely bother about what people SAY, as long as it isn't "lets get together and club some Communists over the head tomorrow". The other danger is if you talk about specific people, like local officials. Anything that sounds like an actionable complaint is probably unwise. Idle talk OTOH? I don't think they care that much. They might delete it, but basically only a small fraction of Chinese people are stupid enough to bother saying anything like that, or have the time and energy for agitation vs finding gainful employment and some sort of living situation.
A LOT! I don't want your average bozo website running any script on my machine anyway...
"Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem." -- Jefferson
Some set up constant tunnels. Personally I use StrongVPN when not at my office or on office network, so it's sorta like this: Most of my internet use does not involve a proxy OR VPN, and is perfectly fine. When I need YouTube or Hulu or something, I open StrongVPN L2TP through San Fran. When I'm at work I'm typically going thru a proxy for common services we use like google services or whatever and need no configuration on whichever device I am using. My network connection at home is 20mbit fibre, typically when I'm NOT on VPN I can download torrents or stream videos from non-youtube sources fast, when I AM on VPN I can typically stream high quality YouTube/Hulu without buffering issues..gotta have me some Shark Tank! I've been primarily in China since 2003, and can tell you - for anyone slightly technically inclined, the GFW is not an issue, and never really has been.. the occasional biggest problem is when they try to disrupt encrypted traffic and it grinds VPNs to a snailmail pace.
Well, the women are awesome. The rest of it? Sure, the government is pro-business and pro-capitalism, except its THEIR business and capitalism. In China the govt officials are the ones with the money, and LOTS of it. Corruption is astronomical. Unless you're in cahoots with some guys with a lot of 'face' you aren't going anywhere, and you can bet they get the fillet mignon cut of whatever you build. It makes the tax rates in the US quite equitable. There's LOTS of red tape too, though of course again how much that matters depends on whom you are connected to. The middle class in China is microscopic. If you were in downtown of a tier 1 city then you might get the impression, surrounded in your nice westerner bubble, that there were lots of well-off people around, but if you actually went out and met the regular Chinese people and talked to the people serving you food and selling you things and made friends with them you'd find out that life for the average chinese is pretty rough. Now go out to the countryside, or even tier 3 cities (prefect level towns for instance) of which there are 1000's and you find there's only a very small veneer of 'middle class' people.
As for the economy being 'robust', the banks all collapsed in the late 90's, ALL of them are insolvent. Most of the major businesses, same thing (the state owned ones). There's a whole zombie financial and economic sector that is just propped up with tax money or patronage in some form or other. There are a lot of businesses, yes, and a huge export sector, lots of growth, etc. There is also 300 million underemployed people, etc. The realestate bubble in China is 10x the size of the US one, and its teetering right now. Frankly I'm out, and I'm getting my g/f out too before something busts loose and it goes down like the US did in '07. Even the big financial analysts are looking pretty scared now. Housing is slowing and China is going to have a big bump.
"Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem." -- Jefferson
It seems a strange sentiment to express, on a technical site.
I've never been to China, and yet I know EXACTLY what their internet access is like. Anyone here can find out for themselves in 10 minutes flat, by hopping on a proxy located in China, and surfing around.
The only extra bit of knowledge that I gained through my extensive time dealing with it, is how incredibly random, frequently changing, and therefore frustrating and utterly-pointless the IP bans are. Send enough traffic over an IPSec tunnel in a short enough period of time, and expect it to be suddenly blocked one day, only to work again in just a few days.
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Err...exactly what you see.... A few sites are blocked (they return an HTTP error), some sites are just excruciatingly slow (Google sites at present), most are exactly the same. And a VPN solves the first two issues. Do bear in mind that the vast majority of Chinese citizens don't really speak much English, so if you want to see what the locals look at, it would be in Chinese! And the Chinese internet ecosystem is far more vibrant then most countries...taobao, wechat, line, qq, baidu etc etc. Honestly - China is really not that different to anywhere else....in Shanghai (where I live), you would be hard pressed to tell the difference between it and any other large international cities (except that Shanghai has more Maseratis, Porsches, Ferraris, LV shops, high class shopping centers than anywhere else in the world I've been. As an expat, we are most definitely not the rich people.
Another way the Chinese evade censorship is to use oblique terms and references, many of which are quite funny. The Grass-Mud Horse Lexicon is a compilation of them. (In Mandarin, "grass-mud horse" sounds very close to "fuck your mother" and is a way of evading and poking fun at censorship of vulgar content.)
Q: What does the "B." in Benoit B. Mandelbrot stand for? A: Benoit B. Mandelbrot