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New Russian Law To Forbid Storing Russians' Data Outside the Country
TechWeek Europe reports that on Friday Russia's parliament passed a law "which bans online businesses from storing personal data of Russian citizens on servers located abroad[.] ... According to ITAR-TAAS, the changes to existing legislation will come into effect in September 2016, and apply to email services, social networks and search engines, including the likes of Facebook and Google. Domain names or net addresses not complying with regulations will be put on a blacklist maintained by Roskomnadzor (the Federal Supervision Agency for Information Technologies and Communications), the organisation which already has the powers to take down websites suspected of copyright infringement without a court order. In the case of non-compliance, Roskomnadzor will be able to impose 'sanctions,' and even instruct local Internet Service Providers (ISPs) to cut off access to the offending resource." According to the article, the "measure is widely seen as a response to reports about the intrusive surveillance practices of the US National Security Agency (NSA) and the UK’s GCHQ. Edward Snowden, who revealed sensitive data about the operations of both, is currently residing in Russia, with his asylum application up for a review in a couple of months." The writer points out that this would mean many web sites would be legally unavailable altogether to Russian users.
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There are plenty of countries that already do this at the federal and state/provincial levels. And a lot of companies are following suit, especially after privacy laws have been toughened up by federal law.
Om, nomnomnom...
These Russian online services will be very popular with Americans.
Nice to see this trending.
As for restricting culture, we still have actual people to interact with, so not to worry.
I wonder how such a thing is going to be enforced. Seems to me this is more about burdening Russian companies who use western services than it is about securing the privacy of Russian citizens. Besides if Putin forces all Russian companies to keep their data local then his cronies can more easily do their own spying on it, rather than have to beg the NSA to give them access, which given Russia's frosty relationship with the US, is probably pretty much cut off these days.
Looks like Russians will have to find somewhere else to go to if they want to buy from somewhere abroad.
I understand the spirit of this law, but in reality it is too much like the Communications Decency Act that got passed in 1996 -- way too broad and sweeping.
Maybe Livejournal will just move to Russia...
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
Don't be naive. The only reason Russia and other oppressive nations pass laws like these is so they can better monitor what their 'citizens' are doing and saying. It's a lot easier to lock up whoever wrote "Putin Sucks" online if the data is in a Russian server.
I remember a few years ago when a big US university rejected Gmail because they could not ensure US-only storage of data and they had data -privacy concerns about the foreign governments (whoops).
At this point I don't really care if my data is in Belarussian hands because they cannot hurt me. Russians should likewise consider wanting to store their data ovetseas.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
As another pointed out, Russia isn't anywhere near the first country to do this; in fact, doesn't the European Union require it Union-wide?
Anyway, I'm most curious how the Kremlin defined "personal". Being that a lot of us are software industry programmers, product managers, etc., it'd be useful to know what kind of changes we need to make to our respective companies' international back-end infrastructure.
"Screw Sun, cross-platform will never work. Let's move on and steal the Java language." - Visual J++ Product Manager
They own the switches and the servers so where the user thinks his data is stored doesn't matter. They have versioned copies.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
I might use it if it existed.
You can feel it in the air.
As stated in the subject line, security through legislation is no security at all. If anything, this will weaken information security for Russians. It's a transparent and comically unenforceable attempt to keep Russian data precisely where the Russian government wants it: on servers they can put their hands on. I'm genuinely amused.
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Canada wrote a law to fine American (and other countries including their own) companies and citizens millions of dollars for sending email that does not meet Canada's standards.
At least Russia, when dealing with the Net, plays within its own borders. If a site does not meet their standards they shut access to it down. Canada would be fining the owners of the site a million or so...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SORM
The Russians have their own datamining spy software. They're just slightly more upfront about the fact that they're watching you⦠unless you're not in Russia, in which case there's a full-court PR press on to convince you that Russia stands for Freedom and Privacy.
"We are sorry, but we cannot let you register on our service because your president created douchbag laws against it."
Table-ized A.I.
Concept of World Wide Web.
I can't live without all the wonderful Russian women asking me for money and those wonderful purchases I make from Russia. Translate that into I don't give a hoot if Russia stays off the net for a century or two.
Dude, it's not really for security, that's just an excuse to force google and facebook to rent a bunch of server space in russian datacenters. it's purely economic.
You're correct that the motivation is fundamentally economic, but it has nothing to do with revenue generated from Russian datacenter leases, which are less than a drop in the bucket compared to the value derived from legally guaranteed physical access to servers for Russian government representatives. You really haven't thought this through, have you?
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Nationalism aside it's not a bad idea, since having your medical records sent to the Phillipines for data entry and many similar stupid shortcuts are bad ideas. If your sensitive information is being stored in a different legal juristiction where people speak a different language there's not much you can do if someone wanders off with it and puts it to other uses unless you have as many international lawyers on staff as IBM.
STUPID and/or FOOLISH Americans don't care about their privacy; they Tweet, and Facebook, and store "their" files in the cloud (1960's style on a server they neither own nor control) and so on. MANY Americans, on the other hand, value our privacy just as much as our founders did back when they wrote a Constitution that limited our government to doing only a handful of specific things (NONE of which included either facilitating OR regulating OR snooping on ANY communications within the country other than the creation of a postal service) and prohibited the government from going through our "stuff" without a warrant that [1] is attached to some claim of a crime, [2] is taken-out by sworn oath of the officer [3] is specific about WHO, WHAT, and WHERE to search:
The Fourth Amendment:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized"
Those of us who still believe in those "quaint" and "out-dated" ideas, and who deny that the Constitution is a "living document" that can be evaded by any judge who wishes to "re-interpret" it to fit the current mood store OUR data on our own servers and do not use completely unnecessary "social media" sites that encourage adults to behave like self-absorbed teenage girls. Many of also resist using sites like Facebook where every click contributes to an empire of advertizing and data-snooping that funds political efforts to tear down all the limits on importing labor so its founder can get even richer by suppressing the wages of middle-class American IT people.
Its funny how Americans don't get the concept of the rest of the world....
It's pathetic
where they don't steal from the West? Hm? For some reason that's okay in Putinland.
people so routinely blast America for its imperfections (it certainly IS imperfect, and the post-1990 presidencies of tawdry slumping into ends-justify-the-means bile has made things far worse) but people all too often fail to cast the same critical eye in the direction of all the other nations against which the US is measured. I'll take my country ANY DAY over countries that lack the basic protections our Constitution provides; In the US, the government can certainly behave badly, BUT there is always the chance that an honest judge/jury will reach back to the documents our founders gave us and set things right...
Once, it even took a bloody civil war, NOT to get rid of the founder's document but to FORCE part of the nation to live-up-to the document.
Happy birthday America!
All a guy who wants to stir up trouble would need to do is to put their own personal details on a forum. Then they could call the authorities and go,"Look, on Joe USA's forum is my personal details".
God spoke to me
The next step is to air gap and migrate medical, banking (at a global, trade, negotiation level), court and police databases off any US or NATO originating OS, database or rented turnkey networking solution.
New hardware imports is still the huge issue that Russia cannot escape even with all clean code and local storage.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Agreed.
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The writer points out that this would mean many web sites would be legally unavailable altogether to Russian users.
Perhaps the writer should first point out why so many web sites "including the likes of Facebook and Google" need to collect personal data of its users in order to function?
Oh, yeah, collecting and selling personal data IS their business. So, good job for the Russians!
Google should have cut ties with the US when that was still a useful option. Now the world is looking for other options and the US is suddenly very small.
Russian expatriates are Russian citizens too. And employment data is a thing that gets stored. I hope they're not looking for work with an Internet company...
They are likely taking a cue from Brazil, in an effort to promote domestic enterprise.
Does this affect the rest of the world? Nope.
Let's move on, nothing to see here.
.. you allow it to be stored somewhere else.
storing it in Russia just makes it harder for foreign powers to use.
Makes it easier for the NSA.
This must be a violation of the WTO membership conditions? This severely restricts trade on the internet. Giant companies will be able to set up servers in Russia, but for smaller companies this closes online business in Russia.
This is really just a means of creating jobs in the country ... if a foreign company wants to do business in Russia, they now have to maintain, pay, and train a Russian workforce in the country. For smaller firms, it'll be cheaper to headquarter in Russia, and for larger firms they'll need to completely split their HR/ERP/CRM systems and maintain duplicates in Russia. Lots of countries already do this, and NONE of them do it for the reasons of data security for their citizens.
Malwarebytes hphosts rates him as best of breed at the top of their pages though http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... so he's not talking that good game as you put it. They are.
...security for Russians...
The Russian society is divided in numerous socioeconomic groups, the same as the US or any other society.
These groups have different understanding of security, and completely different interests in general. For some, security means keeping control over their power and billions, for some finding at last a job or starting a modest web-based business.
There are not only Russians, French, Americans, etc., but also socioeconomic groups with very similar interests and aspirations.
There WILL be legislation proposed very soon for a similar restriction on US companies. That it is stupid, irrational and anti-privacy won;t stop some ignorant legislators from suggesting it. So in that sense alone it does affect the US...
You are SO poorly educated (I'm NOT calling you "stupid", just saying you had bad teachers) that you do not understand what our founders wrote; For "effects" do not substitute "computer graphics" or Zuck's, Page's or Brin's software. Try substituting the word "stuff" - you'll probably "get it" then. Our founders did not believe the government had any right to dig through and look at ANY of your "stuff" without a valid, explicit warrant from a judge where the investigator/policeman had to swear under oath that his application was accurate; this provided accountability.
Like any good short-sighted progressive, you seem to assert that the internet is some new magical thing that renders the Constitution obsolete; it does not because the constitution is not concerned at all with the specific technology of communications (your right to be secure in your papers and effects has NOTHING to do with whether those are transported by pony express rider or by teleportation device). Half or our founders were inventors and they won the Revolutionary war, in part, aided by the advance of technology in the colonies (for example by pioneering advances in the mass-production of firearms with interchangeable parts). They very wisely knew technology was advancing and would continue advancing and they tied NONE of our rights to any fixed technology. Yes, laws that other men added to our country later are plentiful, sometimes narrow, frequently overlapping, and often tied to various technologies (therefore needing amendments when technology changes) BUT that's NOT the Constitution and many of those laws were narrowly-tailored and tied to bits of tech in the first place as corrupt acts of crony-capitalism.
I know there are people from all parts of the political spectrum who think that anything, when tied to the Internet, becomes something shiny and new, but that just is not the case. The existence of the Internet does NOTHING to the definition of the word "privacy", does not magically obliterate the Constitutional requirements for warrants or anything else. Some judge or prosecutor or patent troll is free to make such assertions, but that just does not hold water.
Oh, and in your wiretapping comment you displayed more ignorance. The Constitution does not give the federal government any wiggle room to wiretap people without a warrant, and it was not permitted to intercept such private civilian communications before progressive judges and prosecutors who claim it is a "living document" started pretending such wiggle room existed. The president arguably has the right Constitutionally to wiretap communications that cross international borders particularly to/from "hostile" countries or "enemies" as part of his authority as "Commander in Chief" but a careful reading of what our founders wrote can lead to the belief that they intended that CinC authority to be in the context of wars declared by Congress. Wiretapping laws at the state and local level are certainly needed both because the Constitution is not designed to regulate the behaviour of individuals toward each other, and because the Constitution leaves all matters it does not explicitly grant to the Feds to the states and to the people themselves. In other words, it's up to California to have laws that keep californians from snooping on each-other, and being snooped upon, in any way that does not involve the Federal government.
Every time I think I have encountered the most ignorant person on the planet, somebody like you pops-up to induce a new level of despair (sigh)
The first half of your comment appear nothing more than a slam against me for being at least somewhat patriotic. Given that you had nothing positive to contribute there and offered no candidate for a "better" country, I can just leave that as the midless blather of a "disaffected youth" who will someday grow up.
The second half of your comment is a concentrated pile of pure unadultrated blathering ignorance. When scholars refer to the Constitution as a "living document" they mean that none of the words have any fixed meaning and that anybody backed-up with enough power is free to claim its words mean whatever they want them to mean in the current context. If the Constitution was truly a "living document", the entire Bill of Rights (including the 4th) would never have been needed and there would not even need to be an amendment process; every generation would simply be free to pretend the Constitution said what they wanted and pretend the parts they did not like were not there. A "progressive" who thinks the constitution is a "living document" feels little need to try to ammend it because he thinks its ok to just pretend the meaning of words has changed. By such reasoning, the constitution can require a warrant, but if that's too inconvenient, then some judge can simply say "yes, but in THIS new circumstance no warrant is needed..." Sadly, political progressives often love this idea when it goes their way, but then become rather outraged when somebody comes along and "discovers" some meaning that hurts them.
You're missing the point. Those who control the surface of the sphere of influence control its contents.
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I suggest getting out of the pointless us and them mentality and reverse the situation - would you be happy if your emails were hosted in China or Russia and you know that a great deal of the traffic in and out is being watched? Does my argument make sense now put into that context? That's why I tried to avoid pointless jingoistic arguments such as yours by putting "Nationalism aside" in the subject. Perhaps you missed it and I should have put it in bold in the body instead of the subject. Maybe we need to being back the BLINK tag so late night slashdot readers don't miss things that should be obvious.
That's being dealt with elsewhere and is too fucking incredibly obvious to mention since the bunch Putin used to work for inspired 1984 so why drag it in here? In this sort of field the NSA are playing like kids (Star Trek set designer and similar shit) while Russians are leaving fucking Polonium calling cards to let people know without question who did the killing. Can we discuss other implications as well without getting "corrected" by the stuff on page 1 when the rest of us know that and are half way through the book?
Dude, I am Russian. There's no "nationalism" or "jingoism" angle in what I wrote, you're arguing with a strawman.
And yes, I would vastly prefer for my emails to be hosted in the US, for personal safety reasons. Not my own anymore - I'm already safely in US so I can wave a middle finger at the assholes in charge of ruining my home country - but my parents are still there, and they hold some, shall we say, unpopular political views. Which they don't blabber about in public, but now apparently it's not a good idea to do so in private email communications, as well.
This is a question or power, not a question of security.
There is no weakening aspect at all - ANYTHING that the Russians do in order to get their data away from other states (namely, their not-so-close friends) is an increase in their authority to access and control that information.
"The Russian people's have some VERY educated ..."
I agree. They even know where to use apostrophes and where not.
You must have stopped reading after the second sentence of my post. Please allow me to repeat the third sentence:
It's a transparent and comically unenforceable attempt to keep Russian data precisely where the Russian government wants it: on servers they can put their hands on.
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To restrict Russian citizen's access to about 90% of the internet.
Yes, the big names might hire servers and staff in Russia... and cooperate with the Russian government.
But the smaller organizations? No way in hell they can afford that.
It's mostly another form of the Great Firewall of China.
I apologize for the lack of a signature.
The Great Firewall of Russia can't be too far behind.
They can prescribe what to do in the country, but cannot prohibit anything abroad.
Because the NSA could not hack a server in Russia.
Hopefully more countries will follow to encourage data keeping in the origination country. Next step will be ensuring that data is not forwarded to other countries without permission.
Impersonating + libeling apk != effective.Speak for yourself. You're the troll (on same day).
You can't read, can you? That's his point: They make no qualms about doing it. It's what they do. It's their nation(s) so who is anyone to tell another nation how to run itself? Like the great Eisenhower said of Vietnam: "Let asian boys handle asian problems" (smart man). Same extends to Russians or anyone else really. Seems to me the USA uses "freedom for others" as an excuse to stir up a problem and send in the marines to clean it up, to assume control, and to install puppet governments to get oil (or other things of value) at a good price only, for their own financial freedom (and that's only for the rich, not everyone else).
You telling us you could sort, deduplicate, + normalize many 1,000's of entries per day by hand? Good luck to that. It's part of what his program does. Computers are excellent automators via programs such as this one. If you're trying to tell us that you could do all that, on that much data, by hand then you're the stupid one. The data comes by those amounts (well into the 1,000's potentially building up to millions) each day.
Bloated? It's less than 1/2 the size of its competition hostsman AND DOES FAR MORE too, written by hand (not using a db engine as they do), with more end user direct control of said data AND with a 64-bit version also, which hostsman does NOT have.
It's also noted as best of breed by the security community itself here @ the top of their page (malwarebytes hphosts) -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl... & they also helped me DISPROVE "false positives" from several major antivirus vendors as well!
(Who now ADMIT they are only 55% effective no less, ala Symantec -> http://it.slashdot.org/story/1..., one of those I disproved on a false positive on the VERY GROUNDS I noted in the link below - so much for "experts", I send THEM, "back to school", regularly), & based on a principle for security I developed that did WELL @ "CODING FOR DEFCON" in fact -> http://it.slashdot.org/comment... that really DOES work, for security (of an executable, PREVENTING it from spreading further infection signalling the user the exe has been altered in fact).
Good luck sorting, deduplicating, normalizing (for efficiency), & FILTERING (the hardest part) against false positives BY HAND, yourself... the data comes in daily by the MULTIPLE 1,000's - you'd be LUCKY to be done in a MONTH with 1 day's worth of data.
Try to do it with scripts? "Been there, done that" too, here http://it.slashdot.org/comment... on /. with shellscripting kiddies who had to use the commands of others, & who made SUCH MASSIVE BLUNDERS I had to show them where they went wrong (ontop of them giving up, AND trying to get users to use scripts when WHAT THEY WANT, is "GUI click a button easy"...) - they'd have a LOT MORE WORK (I know, I did that work & faced it + overcame it) in filtering too. That's the TOUGH part.
APK
P.S.=> In case you hadn't noticed? YOU HAVE BEEN SCHOOLED, chump... apk
You're obviously insane for trying him troll. He just ripped you a new asshole http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
If you can't determine the meaning of words or phrases in the context of the framework in which they're used, YOU have the problem.
* Get out your "hooked on phonics" or other remedial reading aids - you need them.
APK
P.S.=> You're also off topic - so, go away troll... apk
Tearing you a new asshole http://tech.slashdot.org/comme...
As a regular end user, I would really prefer my data to be in the hands of a foreign govt than my own govt. The foreign govt doesn't really have any power over me & can't do much with my data.
In their own nation? God?? E.G. - They don't like how WE do things here either - do THEY have a right to tell us how to run our own show??? Hell no!
That's what you're saying though - it's "ok to fuck with them" & it is NOT - that's THEIR nation, not ours.
Besides - We've got enough problems of our own, internally (which doesn't exactly point to perfection & "holier than thou" vs. others views or ways of doing things), never mind controlling others (which IS the endgame, now isn't it?)...
APK
P.S.=> Seriously - who the hell are YOU, or even our own government, to go telling others how to live in THEIR nations? That, in & of itself, is WRONG - 2 wrongs don't make a right, as the old adage goes... & I am not saying what the Communists do is RIGHT - however, I *am* saying it is THEIR RIGHT to do as THEY PLEASE in their nations (let their own people handle that if they don't like it - that's what revolutions occur on most of the time, mind you)... apk
Actually, puppet governments _must_ be installed if you want a reliable ally.
Democracies tend to vote for their own self-interest over that of other countries. (And this is apparently a little-known fact).
1st: History shows us all, occupations always fail. You really mean an "extension of ourselves", don't you, rather than an "ally".
It also, for example, didn't work out so well with S. Hussein, did it? Nope. How about IRAN after the "Man of the Year" from Time Magazine was the ruler before that too, was deposed??
They all turned on us eventually.
See - Humanity hates captivity. Even when it's benevolent. That's just our nature. It can never, ever, last & is wasteful of monies but more importantly, OUR CITIZENS LIVES from the working or poor class, while the wealthy tip margaritas and do coke laughing at us!
The perfect trap removes the desire of the prisoner to escape. We haven't perfected one yet.
Chavez beat them trying it too with economic hitmen and the like. It never works and wastes our monies which we as taxpayers pay for and warmongers profit by. Period.
It is the WRONG WAY TO DO THINGS. Worst of all, it makes others hate us (which is illogical really - WE ARE COMPOSED OF ALL OF THEM)...
HOWEVER:
I've been all over Europe, and asked the people there (who REALLY LIVE IN FEAR of saying anything mind you) "Why do you all hate the USA, we ARE you?" - know what they told me? They said "It's not your people. It's your leaders, and they are NOT politicians, but rather the big money behind them" proving money truly is, the root of all evil.
APK
P.S.=> I just don't *like* what I see - wasteful illogic, benefitting only the "1% few", making GOOD PEOPLE fight one another, like stupid puppets (& we fall for it, manipulated by the mainstream media). I also don't believe that last part totally. People here aren't stupid. They follow the examples that come from above them. Shit flows downwards in other words. "Get what you can while the getting is good & then split" seems to be the mantra of the day, and it's DESTROYING us on many levels (financially, our reputations, and more)... apk
... and the point is keep the stuff close enough that you can at least in theory get local lawyers and politicians to do something about it when things go wrong.
Everybody's favorite scapegoat, I bet he caused global warming, too.
Ever been in one youself, for life & death? I have when a robbery was attempted on me. Shot @, stabbed, baseball bats etc. (it's not fun)... Haven't died yet. I avoid it to NO end, because of that, sometimes... you can't, & it's LIVE or DIE.
* IF you *think* your mere words can change what China or Russia are up to? Good luck - I am with you on that, but I also KNOW it's a waste of YOUR money & mine, time, & efforts... they're strong enough to tell us "fuck off" & get away with it.
Of course, there's ALWAYS 'force'... right? What man (sadly) responds to best - & all our "laws" are enforced by it (proving my point) - fear of financial or physical ruin, nothing more.
Sad, sad, sad... & worst part is, we will PROBABLY never EVER change.
Personally? I think we've had civiliations before, MANY times... the result?? Total destruction, climbing up outta the ashes... we're like cockroaches & will survive but we don't LEARN BY HISTORY (& it always gets used against us, by "the controllers" who make a mistake, polish it up some more, & pull it again... why do you *THINK* leaders are STRONG IN HISTORY? For OUR benefit?? Guess again, buddy... it's like ORGANIZED religion (which I don't agree with either) - it's used AGAINST you! "thou shalt not kill" which I agree with... funny how those in power do it everyday, and USE YOU POOR TO DO IT, but they never go onto that battlefield themselves...)
All I can say is, in the end? We have our OWN problems - deal with THOSE effectively. Set a good example leaders. Don't LOWER YOURSELVES to the low ground your opponents use... folks WILL respect that, & FOLLOW YOU INTO THE GATES OF HELL to further it.
We need THAT in government & to separate CORPORATIONS & STATE (as Church & state were separated)... & no, again - I agree the USSR & China are doing it wrong - Leader sociopaths always do, & worst when they see ideas that are dangerous to their 'fix': CONTROL!
APK
P.S.=> That's just me though. It's what I see. I just don't like the end results (civil wars, revolutions, internal chaos) when they lose control from doing STUPID things like this article's about (you can win a fight, can you REALLY win a war? Nobody EVER does... best to avoid it - instead, they're breeding it)... apk
http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
* Happy 4th of July weekend...
APK
P.S.=> You're showing the 'spirit of freedom' in the USA is a sham, by suppressing my voice via unjustifiable downmods is all (proving my points right there, being NO BETTER than China or the USSR right there - especially those of you spouting "freedom of speech" when you're STIFLING mine by bogus means) - you're neocons, & the WORST ABUSERS of what you say your enemies do (or did the NSA *not* get caught doing what our nation accused Huawei of?
Fucking all hypocrites, all nations, & governments + their crony lapdogs that 'follow them' until they see that 'leadership' is weak, & attempt to usurp those reins of control themselves, like the rats they are... only to find they too, will use the SAME mechanisms that always fail, for their 'fix': CONTROL!
You can't suppress truth, idiots... you can always be counted on to do the WRONG thing, & the results out there today? PROVE ME RIGHT, no questions asked... it's sickening!)
... apk
The USA arguably wouldn't exist if the French, the Spanish, and the Dutch hadn't helped out in the American Revolution.
American interventionism has had a lot of failures but interventionism as a policy doesn't always turn out poorly.
Consider how different history would be if everyone subscribed to the "let asian boys handle asian problems" mentality. I don't think it would be a change for the better.
You're saying it's "the right thing to do"? Ok - then WHY on EARTH are we so hated?
(Which makes no sense - we are composed of the ENTIRE planet, & have done GREAT THINGS since we are a mesh of cultures... we are everyone, & yet, they hate us!)
I stated what I heard from peoples in my travels from all over the world (Argentina, Poland, Czech Republic & more...):
"We don't hate YOU: We hate your leadership, which is *NOT* your politicians (they're bought, bribed, or blackmailed puppets)"
APK
P.S.=> It's wrong man - & occupations, history shows us that (recently in IRAQ too, or it will soon fail), always fail. People hate captivity man. Even when it's kind & benevolent. The perfect trap removes the desire of the prisoner to escape? Apparently, we haven't perfected one yet... look @ the results, especially economically, worldwide - THEY back me, better than your b.s. man (Japan iirc has the HIGHEST suicide rate for example)... apk
its a sad day on slashdot when apk makes a lucid argument and everyone else is trolling him with ad hominum attacks. Grow up people.
---Saying gnome 3 is better than windows 8 not so much a compliment as it is damning with light praise.
One night, I am out @ a bar in my town not *too* far from here, & a native american sits next to me. We get to talking. He keeps calling me "european" with absolute *HATE* in his eyes... we shook hands @ one point. The guy is a Mohawk Indian he tells me (has a grip that almost BROKE my hand in fact) he is an Iron Worker, which I believed after that grip (I've worked setting up rebar in my time, you get way, Way, WAY strong grip from it).
Only thing that saved my life I figure (since he was getting drunk & 'indians' are NOT GOOD when they drink man, or those I've met @ least)? Was telling him the truth of myself, when I said:
"Hey, Ray, look - I'm no 'european' like you *think*... I am a 1st generation AMERICAN, my parents are "off the boat" in the 50's & 60's, so... before you kick my ass, & for I don't *know* what? Realize that..."
He totally left me be after that... it told me, they HATE OUR GUTS, just like I saw in the Southern US (where yes, the hatred for Yankees STILL is present, & only thinly veiled).
So don't bullshit me. I live with and have played sports with native americans all my life (Onondagas mostly) - they often still hate us.
APK
P.S.=> Want to hear what a co-worker of mine ("Diamond Dave", lol) said to me, in the South, in Atlanta too? Just ask... apk
From the HOME of the worst of the lot victim to it: They bring it on themselves, as they did here http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... starting up with me, & THEN?
I just "finish them off" with concrete, verifiable, & UNDENIABLE facts... which really, obviously, "gets their goat" & for what? Being stupid, *trying* to "take me on" & constantly failing??
Please... lol, I've got to laugh (which, of course, only 'sets them off' even more... )
APK
P.S.=> They are, truly, WORSE THAN WOMEN (Jack Nicholson said it best of them, illogical beasts that THEY are, that could give an aspirin a headache in my experience: "Take a man. Take away ALL reason & accountability, you've got a woman...")... apk
Consider how different history would be if everyone subscribed to the "let asian boys handle asian problems" mentality. I don't think it would be a change for the better.
The Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere respectfully disagrees.
Seen from the outside world, most, if not all, US clouds are accessible to the NSA and other US state agencies. Especially if you're not a US Person, those agencies can request your data without a warrant at all. So what the Russians and Brazilians and soon to follow other nations are doing is this: they don't want you to post your potentially incriminating personal data on NSA-controlled servers when the NSA could use them to blackmail you should you work in an important position in politics, industry etc... They rather want you to post data on servers THEY, on only they, control. What's so wrong about this? If you are about to freely give your personal data to a spying agency anyway, it could as well be your own domestic spying agency, instead of the NSA. At least, that agency would be bound by your local laws w.r.t. the respect of privacy and protection of data of its own citizens, while the NSA is free to do what it wants with data of non US Persons, including selling them on the black market (not that they would do such a thing, of course, but in theory, they could). All this is due to the NSA overstepping its original mission that was code breaking and code development, and embarking on the Orwell program of TIA.
cpghost at Cordula's Web.
Don't be naive. The only reason Russia and other oppressive nations pass laws like these is so they can better monitor what their 'citizens' are doing and saying. It's a lot easier to lock up whoever wrote "Putin Sucks" online if the data is in a Russian server.
And having data reside in the USA at the whims of the NSA is how much better?
I hadn't the slightest objection to his spending his time planning massacres for the bourgeoisie... (P.G. Wodehouse)
- Meaning soon we will see laws prohibiting any type of strong encryption in Russia.
PS:
Put in 1 phrase: "All your database are belong to us!"
How about credit card? If you buy from Ebay or from China are they then allowed to store credit card information, email address and home address?
Question is - what is personal information? I can understand SSN to be personal. But how about your birth date, sex (gay?), tracking cookies?
And famous Russian search engine is just building a data center outside from Russia...
Weren't you supposed to say something about M$ addicts and suicide? Other than that,[sarcasm] welcome back, we missed your entertainment.[/sarcasm]
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