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Giant Greek Tomb Discovered

schwit1 writes Archaeologists have uncovered the largest tomb ever discovered in Greece and think it is linked to the reign of Alexander the Great. "The tomb, dating to around 300 BC, may have held the body of one of Alexander's generals or a member of his family. It was found beneath a huge burial mound near the ancient site of Amphipolis in northern Greece. Antonis Samaras, Greece's prime minister, visited the dig on Tuesday and described the discovery as 'clearly extremely significant'. A broad, five-yard wide road led up to the tomb, the entrance of which was flanked by two carved sphinxes. It was encircled by a 500 yard long marble outer wall. Experts believe a 16ft tall lion sculpture previously discovered nearby once stood on top of the tomb."

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  1. The tomb of Geryon! by wheelbarrio · · Score: 1

    Or Enceladus perhaps?

    1. Re:The tomb of Geryon! by nava68 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Since Roxana (Alexanders wife) and his son Alexander IV were killed in Amphipolis by one of the Diadochen it could be either one of them or the Diadochen (Cassandos) who was buried in that tomb. Btw the excavation is running now for more than one year - hardly news except that Samaras went there for a visit and archeologist plan to enter within the next few months...

    2. Re:The tomb of Geryon! by kefalonia · · Score: 1

      the real news are that the site is now protected by police 24/7, and the tomb will be opened anytime within this month.

    3. Re:The tomb of Geryon! by seas2day · · Score: 1

      My question is will Geraldo Rivera be there for the massive tomb opening?

  2. meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It should be a requrement for people to include all of the measurments in metrics so people shouldn't be requred to dechipher how many feetsies are there in a yard and how much that is in crows wings, car tyres, pencil lenghts, cat paws etc.

    1. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      OK.
      "It is ordained that 3 grains of barley dry and round do make an inch, 12 inches make 1 foot, 3 feet make 1 yard, 5 yards and a half make a perch, and 40 perches in length and 4 in breadth make an acre."

      Oh it's based on barley, i thought the whole system is flawed but now i know it all makes sense, so next time just write 90.9090909090909090909090909 perches and I'll know thats like 499,99999999 in yards (Sorry 500 doesnt divide by 5 and a half), just multiply that by three and then 12 and get inches, now multiply by three, whip out that barley sack and start to line them up to get a seeable reference.

      Thanks man.

    2. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For the useless endeavor of catering to 5% of the world population? No, thanks, we are quite happy using the SI and base 10 conversions. Also, it comes with the benefit of NOT needing to state the country issuing a specific measurement or whether is intended to use at sea or land (not to mention funny prefixes like gross).

      I can understand if there were any clear benefit to use the old imperial units, but there is none (zero, zilch, nada, other than nationalistic pride) and lots of downsides, so is about time you guys enter the 20 century and make life simpler for everyone.

    3. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A few more photos here: http://news.in.gr/culture/article/?aid=1231340622

    4. Re:meh by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Funny

      All you need to know is that a greek giant is buried under the mound so obviously the giant was larger than an average greek but smaller than the mound. His exact height in barley grains will have to remain a "known unknown" until they dig him up.

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    5. Re:meh by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      For authenticity, the author should have used ancient Greek measurements instead.

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    6. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      American detected.

    7. Re:meh by DrXym · · Score: 1

      If the Telegraph is using imperial, it's probably as some weak protest against Europe (and almost the entire world) and their fangle dangle standard system of weights and measures.

    8. Re:meh by kamapuaa · · Score: 1

      It's even easier than that- just think, one four millionth of an inaccurate estimate of the circumference of the Earth!

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    9. Re:meh by Dahlgil · · Score: 1

      Huh?

    10. Re:meh by DrXym · · Score: 1

      I thought that was hysterical. If their standard was the quart, it could have just said 1 cup.

      And if their standard was the schmoo it could have said 12 sczars. I shan't explain how many sczars are in one schmoo because I find it hysterical that people use some other form of measurement and not know this.

    11. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      For authenticity, the author should have used ancient Greek measurements instead.

      A broad, 2.73 AtG wide road led up to the tomb, the entrance of which was flanked by two carved sphinxes. It was encircled by a 273 AtG long marble outer wall. Experts believe a 2.9 AtG tall lion sculpture previously discovered nearby once stood on top of the tomb.

      Assuming that AtG was 5' 6" tall.

    12. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It should be a requirement for people leaving primary school to be able to convert units.

      It often is. I recall that we briefly mentioned imperial units in history class in primary school. A foot is 296.904mm but that wouldn't apply here since we are talking about Greek imperial units so we should probably use the Greek foot (pous) of 308.2 mm.
      That is the thing with imperial units, every empire has their own. Once people started dealing with more than just the next nation and started to travel a little bit further the conversion became really complex. Metric would never have been adopted is imperial units had been usable.
      The only thing that makes it possible to use imperial units at all today is that everyone except one group has been abandoned in favor of metric.

    13. Re:meh by Pastis · · Score: 1
      If you just like approximations, and say that "a yard is about the length of three of my feet" and a meter is slightly more than a yard, then you know how much a meter approximately. If you want an exact length of a yard, then you measure it in meters.

      If their standard was the quart, it could have just said 1 cup..

      which cup variant ? imperial, US customary, US legal, japenese variants ???

    14. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Here are two propositions:

      - The scientific and technical world should use the SI wherever doing so would not increase confusion;

      - Every adult without severe learning difficulties should be able to convert popular alternative units - certainly approximately in their head, and (perhaps with reference to a table) exactly where needed.

      I agree with both of these propositions.

      I am a European brought up on the metric system. But, just as I understand why analog communications systems are easier to grasp because of the direct correlation between physical and electromagnetic quantities, I understand that imperial systems can be easier to grasp because of the correlation between the names of popular units and their meanings. For example, a foot is about a foot's length. 30 centimetres is... eh, something you know only because you know what a centimetre or a metre is. Believe it or not, when creating a layperson's summary of some structure, you don't actually need to know whether it's exactly x cm or x+-20% cm. Your base desire for quantitative exactness won't improve your qualitative understanding of the system, which is what really matters.

      What is more, imperial measurements are de rigueur in the US, and occasionally popular outside the US (e.g. miles standard for roads in Britain). It would require more work for the average visitor to a US-centric site if quantities were expressed in SI - remember that /. is a geek laypersons' news site, not a domain-specific news site.

    15. Re:meh by PPalmgren · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you want rough estimates, its simple. If its in feet, divide by 3 for meters. If its in yards, yards = meters. No, its not perfect, but its close enough, within 2% margin of error.

      Its not going to change any time soon, and no amount of bitching is going to make it change any time soon, so get over it. I find it funny that the bitching usually comes from Europe, where language is about 'cultural identity' but you have to speak english to be functional in larger businesses. Using the same logic, we should eliminate Dutch, Italian, Greek, Finnish, Swedish, and so on because they're a minority method of communication.

    16. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It should be a requirement for people leaving primary school to be able to use metric units so as to be able to communicate with the rest of the world. And among themselves actually, while in the US I experimented by asking Americans questions like "how many ounces to the gallon" etc. Actually that particular one nobody ever answered correctly (most common answer was 64 when it is 128 - or 160 if you are from the UK and using the imperial versions).

    17. Re:meh by Sockatume · · Score: 5, Funny

      You really should've called them out on calling it "BC" rather than "BCE" while you were at it. What's pedantry without thoroughness?

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    18. Re:meh by SternisheFan · · Score: 1
      Okay, I'm confusesd.

      So, how many barley grains are there in a "Standard Library of Congress" (U.S. version, not the metric one)?

    19. Re:Meh by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Then why go public now?

    20. Re:meh by rossdee · · Score: 2

      Officially, Britain uses the metric system. It is after all part of the EU

      Other British Commonwealth countries use the metric system, including Canada, Australia, New Zealand, India, Sri Lanka, South Africa, Singapore, Malaysia, Kenya, Uganda, Zambia, Tanzania, PNG, Bahamas, Samoa, Tonga,

    21. Re:meh by Reaper9889 · · Score: 2

      I think your point count against you. /. is fairly large. It would be reasonable to apply the same standards as for a large business. Hence, you should standardize your communication. In this case that means English and metric. It is ok that you use it amongst yourself but it would be nice of you to try to keep it only amongst yourself :) The standard custom in Europe is more or less that if someone wouldnt understand otherwise, you speak English (at least for the larger places I have worked). Similarly, it would be nice if you wrote in metric if people wouldn't understand otherwise (which I think it can be assumed that some wont on a page as big as /.).

      I personally do not mind yards and feet too much but I dislike miles since it depends on the country.

    22. Re:meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Double meh.

      As above states, a foot (male, adult, farmer) is about a foot. Further, "a pint is a pound the world around". One ounce (liquid) of water weighs one ounce (in the USA). One horsepower is what it is (assuming an average workhorse like a Morgan, not an Arabian, nor a Clydesdale). So some of it makes a lot of sense, at least to farmers who used the units on a daily basis. In the UK, maybe not so much (1 pt = 20 oz), but then the UK has problems with proper spelling too, often inserting unnecessary letters (like "colour" when they mean "color").

      In the 21st century none of this matters too much, since Google can even handle the infamous "386,000 miles per second = ? furlongs per fortnight".

      Posting a/c since I'm moderating this thread.

    23. Re:meh by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      Dammit, I used all my mod points yesterday. :^)

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    24. Re:meh by johnlcallaway · · Score: 1

      It is expensive and has low return trying to convert 95% (statistic made up) of a country's population to another standard. Both systems are taught both in school, and people choose to use the one that is most prevalent, although both units show up in many products. Both systems require rote memorization and can be confusing (deca/deci for example).

      And of course, those in favor of the metric system often conveniently forget to mention that conversions are not all purely powers of ten. When dealing with data, it's often powers of 2, making conversion not so simple there either. And time is still difficult to deal with. It seems the advocates are willing to deal with some difficult conversion, but can't do math well enough in their head for others.

      It may be simple for you to shift decimal points, but it's also rarely necessary to convert feet to yards, let alone inches to miles. No one needs to determine how many feet/hour or inches/second while they are driving. Try converting kilometers/hour to meters per second in your head, you can't just shift decimal points.

      One conversion used the most by Americans is in cooking, converting cups to quarts or teaspoons to tablespoons. But even that is rarely used since it's pretty damn easy to measure out 4 cups instead of 1 quart. Doubling recipes is pretty easy, although some are fraction-challenged. Tripling or quadrupling can be difficult, but most rarely need to do it.

      Probably the most difficult is converting square or cubic measurements, since those tend to gum up the works pretty well. Converting cubic inches to cubic feet, or cubic feet to cubic yards is cumbersome. When I want accuracy, I use the calculator that is on my phone.

      Exact values probably aren't always necessary when converting between systems either It's pretty simple to estimate from one system to the other. One can multiply or divide by 2 to convert kilograms and pounds, a meter and a yard are pretty close, as are a liter and a pint. Convert Kilometers to miles is the hardest at 0.6, but it's pretty simple to convert miles to kilometers (add half again as much).

      But we rarely have to do that in the US because everything is labeled in imperial units. If you are reading our stuff, learn to convert.

      And the same goes for Americans reading your stuff. We no more need to cater to you than you need to cater to us.

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    25. Re:meh by denzacar · · Score: 3, Informative

      A plethora.

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    26. Re:meh by landoltjp · · Score: 1

      Well, then. As a testament to the superlative American education system, the US should finish what they started in 1976 and join EVERYBODY ELSE in the world by FINALLY converting to metric!

    27. Re:meh by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      A foot is 296.904mm but that wouldn't apply here since we are talking about Greek imperial units so we should probably use the Greek foot (pous) of 308.2 mm.

      Last I checked, a foot was 304.8mm (25.4mm per inch, 12 inches per foot).

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    28. Re:meh by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      It is not the problem of feet and yards, and the error is not 2% but roughly 10% ...
      The problem are square feet versus square meters or acres versus hectar (german measure, 100 ars, where an ar is 100 square meters [10x10] ... or square miles versus square kilometers ... )
      OTOH in special cases it makes sense to have your own units, like in sailing. No one is using km or km/h if he is traveling the seas, however we don't use 'miles' but nautical miles, which makes sense if you know how navigation works.

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    29. Re:meh by Calydor · · Score: 1

      Are you SERIOUSLY saying that England is the one spelling the English language wrong, or was this more tongue-in-cheek than can be conveyed easily in text?

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    30. Re:meh by Oligonicella · · Score: 2

      We do use metric. We also like to retain our Anglo-Saxon/Roman system. We don't feel like it taxes our brains like you all feel it taxes yours. Those who don't use the metric system in their daily lives tend to not convert easily. Those who do, can. We find it amusing that it generates such apoplexy in those abroad who can't.

    31. Re:meh by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      No one answered because you would normally convert down to the next logical unit. You don't say the field was one million six hundred thousand and three hundred centimeters long. You say it is sixteenthousand and three meters or sixteen point zero zero three kilometers. 16003 meters. Like wise, every eight ounces is a cup, two cups (16oz) is a pint, two pints (32oz) is a quart , and four quarts (128oz) is a gallon.

      Rarely would you need to know how many ounces are in a gallon unless you are doing something that specifically deal with it and by then, you likely already know.

    32. Re:meh by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Now, yes. Then, no. The average height of men participating in the Olympic games was about that. They were probably a little larger than normal. That made Alexander a little taller than normal.

      Yes, I recognize you were being humorous. I was answering your qualifier which kinda dorked your joke. Should'a left it at one line.

    33. Re:Meh by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      For those of use not requiring pictures to understand the basics. It may take fifty years to completely unearth this site and reconstruct what it looked like. Just hold your horses, more pictures will be on the way.

    34. Re:meh by amicusNYCL · · Score: 5, Informative

      There's another article here, which contains this quote from the prime minister:

      This is a monument with unique features: A surrounding peribolos of 497 meters, almost a perfect circle carved in Thassos marble. The Lion of Amphipolis is 5.20 meters high; let’s imagine it as being on the top of the tomb

      That article also shows a picture with a partial glimpse of the entrance. This article from the same site has a picture of the lion, and the video down below is basically a slideshow of pictures of the tomb site. There's another article here with another exterior picture. The site of ancient Amphipolis is here, on the land surrounded by the river (you can zoom in and see the ruins of the acropolis). Based on the pictures in the articles, it looks like the tomb itself is just northeast of the site, here.

      I'm not an archaeologist, I just play one on the internet.

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    35. Re:Meh by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      I just posted this farther up with some more links.

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    36. Re:meh by dasacc22 · · Score: 1
    37. Re:meh by JustOK · · Score: 1

      How many pints in a cup?

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    38. Re:meh by RandomFactor · · Score: 2

      So Denzacar, would you say it has a plethora of Barley Grains?

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    39. Re:meh by RandomFactor · · Score: 1

      I'm from the US and I absolutely bitch about us abandoning the conversion they started to move us to the metric system when I was a kid. Do I think metric, no, but i sure would if we had followed through on that.

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    40. Re:meh by the_other_chewey · · Score: 1

      When your country becomes the largest military force on Earth, then YOU can dictate measurement units.

      Until then, neener, neener!

      Ah crap, not another military failure.

      Good job on Liberia and Myanmar though, keep it up!

    41. Re:meh by GNious · · Score: 1

      As long as they'd bother note whether it was 5 front-yards wide, or 5 back-yards wide, we can probably convert trivially.
      Besides, pretty sure they use american-imperial units in Greece.

    42. Re:meh by GNious · · Score: 1

      Perhaps because those outside of the US knows that some imperial measurements comes in multiple versions depending on the source...

    43. Re:meh by PPalmgren · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I understand the frustration, hell, my first course in egineering, they devoted a big chunk to unit conversions. I just get aggrivated when year after year, story after story, someone starts complaining about units and we get a huge back-patting session where everyone congratulates each for not being from the US. It takes less time to press ctrl+t and type '5ft 6in to cm' in the top bar for a translation than it does to type out a whiny soap-box post like the type we commonly get.

      There are two facts that need to be taken into acount when it comes to unit conversions. First, a story that targets a local demographic is usually going to be in the units that demographic relates to. This was a UK story, but even still, imperial units are commonly used even if they are 'officially' converted, hence the yards. A different matter could be made for asking the Slashdot editors to add them to summaries, but that's another tree to bark up. Also, partially in relation to the first point, a unit conversion of the US will probably not be fully implemented in our lifetime. Canada and the UK converted decades ago and the non-standard measures are still fairly common in everyday language and food.

      I just get aggrivated when a story's comment section gets overrun with this crap. I find it obnoxious and off-topic. I don't ask for a conversion for perspective when people's heights or temperatures are posted in metric, I convert myself and expect others to not be lazy.

    44. Re: meh by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Most days I'm working in bases: 2,8,10,12,16 and 60 for one reason or another. For construction I've tried decimal but have returned to dozenal for the ease of working with prime factors and mental math - I was always on the calculator in my decimal phase.

      Y'know, my eleven year old daughter understands base and place value and can do math in arbitrary bases (it took me maybe four hours to teach her) - why do some Europeans feel so smug about being ignorant of non-decimal systems?

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    45. Re: meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      England had no standardization and many competing spellings for words until some bright folk in the Colonies (e.g., America) decided to promote uniform 'correct' spelling and compile dictionaries. AFTER it had caught on in America, England eventually did the same with alrernate British spellings.

      If you want an interesting read, look up the history of the word 'aluminum.' The spelling 'Aluminium' was first proposed by an American and was standard therd for a time. For various reasons it fell out of favor in the US while taking over as the correct UK rendition.

    46. Re:meh by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      The problem are square feet versus square meters or acres versus hectar (german measure, 100 ars, where an ar is 100 square meters [10x10] ... or square miles versus square kilometers ... )

      About ten square feet per square meter is a pretty good approximation.

      And 2.5 acres per hectare, as I recall.

      Note that both of those estimates are within 2%.

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    47. Re:meh by denzacar · · Score: 1

      Ummm... Oh, yes. It has a plethora.

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    48. Re:meh by OhSoLaMeow · · Score: 2

      AtG was 7'4" tall.

      Oh wait. You weren't referring to Andres the Giant.
      Never mind.

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    49. Re:meh by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      For that you need to know how big an acre is :) or what it actually is, certainly it is not 'similarâ to a german 'Ar' even if the name is similar.

      To figure if your proclaimed 2% is correct I need a calculator.

      The parent who claimed 3 feet would be in 2% range of a meter was wrong :)

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    50. Re:meh by Talderas · · Score: 1

      Do you mean the standard US Library of Conqress or the standard metric Library of Congress?

      Or do you mean US barley grains or metric barley grains?

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    51. Re:meh by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      For that you need to know how big an acre is :) or what it actually is, certainly it is not 'similarà to a german 'Ar' even if the name is similar.

      True. Fortunately, I do know what an acre is - 1/640th of a square mile. If it helps, a mile is 1609 meters (approximately).

      To figure if your proclaimed 2% is correct I need a calculator.

      I used a calculator to verify the accuracy of the numbers. Feel free to check me - it's always possible I mistyped something.

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    52. Re:meh by Talderas · · Score: 1

      If you had included "We have dismissed this claim." you would have been modded Funny.

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    53. Re:meh by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      There are 0.5 pints in a cup. It's not a hard concept, primary school children in the US are expected to know this stuff. If' it is too difficult, I'm not sure what I can tell ya.

    54. Re:meh by flyingsquid · · Score: 1, Troll

      I understand the frustration, hell, my first course in egineering, they devoted a big chunk to unit conversions. I just get aggrivated when year after year, story after story, someone starts complaining about units and we get a huge back-patting session where everyone congratulates each for not being from the US. It takes less time to press ctrl+t and type '5ft 6in to cm' in the top bar for a translation than it does to type out a whiny soap-box post like the type we commonly get.

      Speaking as a loud, proud AMERICAN, I'll give all you international whiners out there one more reason to learn traditional units. Next time you strike oil, and we elect someone with the IQ of a pygmy marmoset to the presidency, and the CIA gets the intelligence disastrously wrong, what happens next??? The bombs are gonna start raining down on your ASSES, the bullets are gonna start flying... ANDIT AINT GONNA BE IN METRIC!!! You all are gonna be welcome to sit there and sip your expressos with a smug, superior European expression on your faces and lecture all us Americans in your snooty European accents about how REALLY, they should be 226.8 kilogram bombs, and not 500 pound laser guided bombs, and it should be 12.7 millimeter machine gun bullets and not .50 inch, but FRANKLY I wouldn't recommend it. Cause when that happens, and you better BELIEVE it's gonna happen, we are gonna be opening up a big ol' can of American whoop-ass and when we do, well, you better believe that whoop-ass comes in good ol' 1 POUND can, just like the dirt-like substance we proudly sell as ground coffee in the USA, and it sure as freakin' hell DOES NOT COME in a can measured with some INTERNATIONAL system of measurements invented by SOCIALISTS in FRANCE! AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!

    55. Re:meh by kefalonia · · Score: 1

      he he... great answer! let's go figure the dozen definitions of a mile now!

    56. Re:meh by JustOK · · Score: 1

      It hurts their self-esteem if they are asked hard questions

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    57. Re: meh by kefalonia · · Score: 1

      eleven years in hex? is that marriageable age over there?!

    58. Re:meh by readin · · Score: 1

      America's military got serious about using metric in the 1950s. How have we done since then? When we were using good units we defeated the British, the Indians, the Mexicans, the Spanish, and were on the winning side of 2 world wars. Since adopting metric we've lost Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan (though admittedly one can make a strong case for blaming all of those on Democratic politicians rather than on the military).

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    59. Re:meh by readin · · Score: 1

      So everyone else makes a mistake and we're supposed to follow? How about if the rest of the world abandons metric and adopts some rational units instead?

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    60. Re:meh by readin · · Score: 1

      I can understand if there were any clear benefit to use the old imperial units, but there is none (zero, zilch, nada, other than nationalistic pride) and lots of downsides, so is about time you guys enter the 20 century and make life simpler for everyone.

      Metric makes it so easy to get calculations wrong in ways that are hard to detect.

      1. write you 'n' with 1.5 humps (a habit from writing cursive) or write your 'm' so that it looks like cursive when you didn't mean cursive, and suddenly a nm is a mm or a mm is a nm and your measurement is off by a factor of a million. In Metric all abbreviations in a given dimension differ by one letter, but in Human measurements they differ by 2 or more.

      2. In Human measurements conversions usually require a bit of calculating rather than just decimal moving. A double-check shows clearly and easily whether you're in the right ball-bark. With the Reign of Terror measurements if you miscount on moving the decimal you're not likely to notice (or even bother to try) so you can easily be off by a factor of 10.

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    61. Re:meh by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      A plethora.

      Resting in an amphora.
      One of appropriate size.

    62. Re:meh by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Are you SERIOUSLY saying that England is the one spelling the English language wrong, or was this more tongue-in-cheek than can be conveyed easily in text?

      Hey, color (and honor, etc) is the original spelling. If the Normans hadn't conquered England and introduced those frenchified variations, we wouldn't be having this argument.

      And no, England and English having the same root word in no way makes England the ultimate arbiter in how language spellings go.

    63. Re:meh by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The percentage is not relevant, are you are better than your parent (who claimed the difference between a yard and a meter would be 2%, but its close to 10%)

      So if an acre is 1/640th of a square mile they split up the square mile by 80x80. If I remember right that was 1760 yard, so 1/80ths is 22yards.

      What is a the name of a 22 yards length? After all the mile must be 80 times that unknown length :)

      Haha, if I once write a fantasy novel I will make sure I have a Hobbit like 100 pages discussion about archaic measurements that only fit together if you know the 'big picture' ... I mean divide by 80? Having meaningless 22 yard long 'things', perhaps that is the 'standard length' of a 40 man viking boat? Would fit! I got it! A mile is 80 long ships long! Yippie!

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    64. Re:meh by Optali · · Score: 1

      Sure, but why would we have to learn exotic units used only in the USA in primary school here in Europe? Do you study the Castillian league by chance? Pray tell how much is a Dutch pound, a Dutch ounce or a German Zentner? Mind you, the three last units are of daily use here in Holland and in Germany.

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    65. Re:meh by Optali · · Score: 1

      Easy!! Everybody and the dog knows that! 16yrd are exactly 12 4/3 crow's wings, 1/2 car tyre and 3 pubes of an untouched blond virgin plucked during full moon while Neptune is in the House of Aries!!!

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  3. Meh by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

    Complete lack of photos or any actual indication of size (other than the burial mounds size) or layout.

  4. meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It should be a requirement for people leaving primary school to be able to convert units.

  5. One extra photo by MRe_nl · · Score: 3, Informative
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  6. Geek tomb? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    In the first moment I thought they found someones petrified basement

    1. Re:Geek tomb? by Chrisq · · Score: 1

      me too!

  7. a fried tomb? by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    what kind of grease?

  8. Anyone else read that as by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Giant geek tomb?

  9. Misread title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I almost spewed my coffee all over my keyboard when I read this the first time. I read: "Giant GEEK tomb discovered".

    1. Re:Misread title by phorm · · Score: 1

      Evidence that it belonged to an early Geek civilization included partial remains of early Minoan "RedBull" drinks as well as partial remains of what appears to be an overclocked gaming abacus.

  10. Is it tomb of the second letter of greek alphabet? by eye_blinked · · Score: 3, Funny

    Internetogists have discovered a vast tomb that they believe is connected with the reign of Dice, who conquered vast swathes of the ancient Internet. The tomb, dating to around 2014AD, may have held the archive of pre-beta slashdot. It was found beneath a huge burial mound near the ancient site of Andover.net in northern Cyberspace. Rick Astley visited the dig on Tuesday and described the discovery as "clearly extremely significant". A broad, five Tb pipe led up to the tomb, the entrance of which was flanked by two carved goatse.

  11. Read That as a Geek Tomb For a Second by Greyfox · · Score: 1

    And was pondering what would be in a geek tomb. Probably old Dilbert dolls, models from the original Star Trek, B5 and Firefly and a large pile of dirty laundry. Naturally it'd be found in Alexander the Great's basement.

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  12. Yes and no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is a requirement leaving primary school to be able to do a division. it is not a requirement to know what feet or yard or stones or furlong are. When you have an international audience, it is polite to use the international measurement methods that about 95% of the world use maybe put it in parenthesis near the medieval unit. like say 500 yards (about 450 meters).
     
    This has an ecological impact by the way, because if thousand of people google "500 yards to meter" the electricity and time lost, would have been better spent on something else. If one person the submitter does it it is maybe 5 second lost to him and no big deal. If say 10000 persons do it, guessestimate international audience slashdot, that's 50000 seconds lost, electricity, bandwidth usage and so forth. Not a lot but cumulated over the years ? And jsut because the submitter does not want to make 1 step, he forces those loss on everybody else

    1. Re: Yes and no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This has an ecological impact by the way, because if thousand of people google "500 yards to meter" the electricity and time lost, would have been better spent on something else. If one person the submitter does it it is maybe 5 second lost to him and no big deal. If say 10000 persons do it, guessestimate international audience slashdot, that's 50000 seconds lost, electricity, bandwidth usage and so forth. Not a lot but cumulated over the years ? And jsut because the submitter does not want to make 1 step, he forces those loss on everybody else

      Think of the kitten memes and porn that could have been transferred over that precious lost bandwidth!

    2. Re:Yes and no by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

      It is a requirement leaving primary school to be able to do a division. it is not a requirement to know what feet or yard or stones or furlong are. When you have an international audience, it is polite to use the international measurement methods that about 95% of the world use maybe put it in parenthesis near the medieval unit. like say 500 yards (about 450 meters).

      This has an ecological impact by the way, because if thousand of people google "500 yards to meter" the electricity and time lost, would have been better spent on something else. If one person the submitter does it it is maybe 5 second lost to him and no big deal. If say 10000 persons do it, guessestimate international audience slashdot, that's 50000 seconds lost, electricity, bandwidth usage and so forth. Not a lot but cumulated over the years ? And jsut because the submitter does not want to make 1 step, he forces those loss on everybody else

      A true historian would use both SI units and units that were contemporary of when the tomb was created.

  13. Re:Macedonia - the original! by rossdee · · Score: 1

    I remember back in the days of conflict in Bosnia, and NATO involvement, them calling the place "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" (FYROM)
    to distinguish it from the Greek province

  14. Let me guess. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It was full of old Texas Instruments calculators, Star Trek memorabilia, and coffee beans for the after life.

    Wait, you said a Greek tomb? Why would we care about some dead frat boy?

  15. Misread by pellik · · Score: 1

    Did anyone else read that as giant geek tomb discovered?

  16. Only Major Site Not Stolen From by Kagato · · Score: 4, Informative

    One of the problems with the historical sites in Greece is so many of the large ones have been stolen from over the centuries. Want to see the full Parthenon? Better book a trip to the Vatican, Louvre in Paris and the British Museum what's still left for public viewing. Various conquers and rulers have been selling off bits and pieces of greek history for as long as Europeans have been collecting art.

    1. Re:Only Major Site Not Stolen From by kefalonia · · Score: 1

      True: ancient tombs have been looted and re-looted, long before the concept of archaeology really took off. There is a good probability this tomb will be like taking a 2000-year-old 3D photo, all along with connecting it with historical figures & events. It's pretty much on track to be a spectacular finding, of the type that re-writes history books (or at bare minimum, amend them).

  17. Better pictures of the tomb by sls1j · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here is a better article with actual pictures

  18. Surprising there are still so many things to find by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

    It's one thing to read about finding traces of ancient civilization using new RADAR and LIDAR technology over the South American jungle, a huge area where ground travel is rare and difficult; it's another to find "new" ancient ruins (not so ruined!) in a mostly modern country like Greece. Also, as with so many other constructs, impressive to see how much was done with sheer muscle power (including animals) and what we consider a low level of technology.

  19. I admit ignorance about archeological stuff, by mark_reh · · Score: 1

    but how hard is it to "discover" a tomb that has a 5 yard wide road leading to its entrance? With carved sphinxes on either side? Encircled by a 500 yard long marble wall? Seems sort of obvious to me.

    1. Re:I admit ignorance about archeological stuff, by jfengel · · Score: 3, Informative

      Both the wall and the road (and the entrance) were buried as well.

      They did know that something was there: it was obvious that this was a man-made hill. They didn't know how significant it was, and so it wasn't until now that they put together the funding and manpower to go look.

  20. Re:Surprising there are still so many things to fi by jfengel · · Score: 1

    It is pretty damn remarkable. A lot of it is just a matter of time and money. A dig like this is expensive, because you need to do it with some delicacy. We could rip the top off that mound in an afternoon with bulldozers, losing huge amounts of information in the process. Instead it takes an army of grad students and many months.

    Greece (and in fact the entire area through the Middle East) is just covered with such sites, where the locals know that something is buried under some hill or other, waiting for their Schliemann to decide to put forth the effort to dig it up and catalog it.

    We're really fortunate about these sites, where something important happened and was then largely abandoned, or at least never progressed to becoming big population centers. Sadly, many sites continued to be used and are now modern, thriving cities, and the artifacts were either ripped out or buried in a way that we'll never be able to reach.

  21. The correct question by RandomFactor · · Score: 1

    How many pints when in one's cups?

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  22. Talk of unit conversions is off the mark by larryjoe · · Score: 1

    Pro-metric folks talk about the ease of metric conversions, but that's mostly useless. Few calculations are of the shift the decimal place around. Rather, most calculations require more arithmetic than most people can comfortably handle without paper or a calculator.

    But, even more important, the most relevant aspect of using either any system of measurement, be it metric or English, is gut feelings. That's what used daily over and over again. I have a gut feel for how big 100 miles, 1 gallon, 160 lbs, etc. are, but I have to do the conversion from metric quantities to understand metric units. I can do the conversions, and I understand the math, but it's the intuitive understanding of the quantities that is useful. It is this one quality of measurement systems that allows the English system to continue to flourish despite its mathematical limitations.

    1. Re:Talk of unit conversions is off the mark by xfade551 · · Score: 1

      When using computers, there is one way in which English measures are unbiasly superior to metric units, which is that the standard practice that subdivisions of the small length unit (the inch) are base-2 fractions (i.e. 1/2", 3/4", 5/32", etc), rather than decimal (i.e. 11.3 mm, 15.923 mm, 2.71 mm, etc. ...just examples, not conversions). Why is this superior? Numbers are represented in binary on a computer, decimals will not neccessarily convert without a small error. Usually the difference is negligible, but errors can build if you are adding a long series of values or multiplying by large numbers.

      I'll concede that weight, volume and the large length measures can be a little confusing though.

    2. Re:Talk of unit conversions is off the mark by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Pro-metric folks talk about the ease of metric conversions, but that's mostly useless.

      I absolutely agree with you for everyday use. Scientists and engineers obviously have a lot more unit conversion to do at times, but for everyday folks, it doesn't really matter if there are 5280, 5000, or 5317 feet in a mile -- short distances are expressed in feet or yards, long distances are miles. Everyday people rarely need to convert the two. And it doesn't matter if there are 128 ounces in a gallon or 130 or 117. You buy certain things in ounces, and other things in quarts or pints, and still other things in gallons (or half gallons). Conversion is rarely required.

      That's not to say easy conversions are useless -- just for everyday use they don't tend to happen very often.

      But, even more important, the most relevant aspect of using either any system of measurement, be it metric or English, is gut feelings. That's what used daily over and over again. I have a gut feel for how big 100 miles, 1 gallon, 160 lbs, etc. are, but I have to do the conversion from metric quantities to understand metric units. I can do the conversions, and I understand the math, but it's the intuitive understanding of the quantities that is useful. It is this one quality of measurement systems that allows the English system to continue to flourish despite its mathematical limitations.

      I understand your point here, but I also disagree with how much of a challenge it would be to learn new intuitions. You already likely know how big a liter as well as how big a gallon is, assuming you've ever bought a large bottle of soda. Also, a liter is about a quart, so that's easy enough. Similarly, yards are about the same as meters, and pounds are roughly half a kilo. Go to the deli and ask for half a kilo of ham instead of a pound, and you'll get just a little more than you usually would. Easy enough. For smaller amounts, order in increments of 100 grams, which are a little smaller than 1/4 lb. each. Again, easy enough.

      All it really takes to obtain that "gut feeling" you're talking about is a few anchor points. Take temperature, for example, which is a measurement people often encounter on a daily basis. In Celsius, 0 is freezing, 10 is cool, 20 is (cool) room temperature, 30 is hot, and 37 is body temperature (quite hot). Interpolate the rest from that. Easy enough. Read the daily temperature for a month and interpolate it into those anchor points, calibrate it to your own personal sense, and it will soon be easy. (Also, our human ability to sense actual temperature is so dependent on things like humidity, activity level, wind, etc., that being more precise than those few anchor points is rarely useful.)

      Same thing would happen quite quickly with other stuff. Since the pound, yard, and quart have pretty good rough equivalents in metric, you can get most of the way there just with those. The rest is filling in the gaps -- a foot is about 1/3 of a meter, roughly 30 cm. So 10 cm is roughly 1/3 of a foot, or roughly 4 inches. 20 cm is roughly 8 inches. Etc. Again, you do this with maybe a few dozen measurements, and you get the rough sense down.

      I agree that for people who are really good at just looking at something and saying "That's 8 inches by 4.5 inches," they're going to need to do more to calibrate that sense. But the general "gut feeling" for approximate size is pretty easy to acquire, if you just do it for a little while. I think if the U.S. just decided to suddenly switch all systems one day, there would be a lot of complaining and yelling and protests for about six months or a year, and then nobody would really notice anymore, because we all would quickly adjust.

    3. Re:Talk of unit conversions is off the mark by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      (By the way, regarding my last comment about a sudden conversion -- I know that's impossible because of all the machinery, equipment, etc. in many fields that uses traditional units. But if it were possible to just move everything over one day, I don't think it would take people that long to obtain a new sense of the new units, at least not for the things they tend to encounter often in their daily lives.)

  23. I know whose it is. by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    A broad, five-yard wide road led up to the tomb

    The broad's name is Xena.

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  24. This. by DarthVain · · Score: 2

    I went on a Mediterranean tour a few years back. An ancient history fan, visited all the big ruins and historical sites. I was disappointed.

    1) Pretty much everything has been "restored". Very little is actually original. Most have tried to recreate as close as possible, but it is exactly that, a recreation.
    2) One the most disappointing and disgusting things things I went to was the Vatican. Basically they looted and pillaged all the "Pagan" temples and historical sites of anything valuable to construct their own monuments. Valuable is pretty loose term considering the length of time it was done over. Stuff like marble and bronze and the like were the first to go, but even using sites as a convenient source of stone got pillaged. Looking at the astounding amount of wealth in the Vatican and the amount of history destroyed just makes me sick.

    Though while the Vatican is a extreme example they are not alone, and in general the practice was pretty ubiquitous. Hadrian's Wall which was a HUGE artifact is basically gone, and many historians believe that it was just a convenient source of local stone that over time just got purposed in various local buildings. Though that seems a bit less villainous than the intentional destruction of historical sites for valuable material.

    1. Re:This. by Kagato · · Score: 1

      That's pretty much what happened to the colosseum. Stone and marble was torn out. A chunk of it ended to make the vatican.

    2. Re:This. by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      Yeah went to the Colosseum. In addition to that:

      Rome was pillaged and sacked a few times, and the building was burned and damaged several times.
      World War Two wasn't so great for it either.
      Interestingly as mentioned valuable material got looted, one of which I wasn't aware of before, was that basically it was of the first structures to use brick and mortar, but on top of that, of the large stone supports, in order to remain stable, it was one of the first to use a primitive version of "rebar", in which large blocks of stone had holes drilled in either piece, and iron rods inserted to keep things together. However at the time, iron was a very expensive commodity, which meant when things fell apart, looters would dig into the stone to steal the iron bars, further weakening the structure. Much of what looks like bullet holes from WW2 is actually holes in the stone where the iron rods have been removed.
      However by far the most destructive was just a structural issue, where half the building was built on top of sand. When at one point there was a larger earthquake, the sand shifted and about half of the whole structure collapsed and had to be rebuilt.

      So it being one of the larger and more notable structures has had quite a storied history of getting destroyed and rebuilt over the years, which a lot of people may not realize, thinking the grand thing has been standing for so long untouched.

  25. Re:Macedonia - the original! by HughJazz · · Score: 1

    My understanding is according to the modern alleged "Macedonians" (former Yugoslav republic) ancient Macedonians, founders of the Hellenistic period, were not Greeks but actually Slavic. Does this mean Greece now gets dibs on Yuri Gagarin?

  26. They did convert by cwsumner · · Score: 1

    Back when I was in school ('70-'80), they taught Metric as well as American units. And they did not teach the more unusual of the american units much at all.
    They said that we would convert "soon". My second job was helping to convert machine drawings to metric units.
    But to use metric for those machines ended up with long decimals. Not good, and the machines had to be supported and even new ones built, until the markets would buy new designs.

    After a while it got to be way too much trouble, for not enough benefit. The trouble was actually more than the trouble of keeping two types of spare parts.

    So now some things are one and some the other, and techs use either as needed. Most people don't bother, but find it interesting that the speedometer in their car is marked with both. 8-)

    (By the way, get off of my lawn!)