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Court Rules the "Google" Trademark Isn't Generic

ericgoldman writes Even though "googling" and "Google it" are now common phrases, a federal court ruled that the "Google" trademark is still a valid trademark instead of a generic term (unlike former trademarks such as escalator, aspirin or yo-yo). The court distinguished between consumers using Google as a verb (such as "google it"), which didn't automatically make the term generic, and consumers using Google to describe one player in the market, which 90%+ of consumers still do.

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  1. Well, if you're going to push... by jimmetry · · Score: 2

    ...then I'll just have to start calling it the googley.

    1. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by saloomy · · Score: 2

      To google something is to use a company's search engine to search the web, and that fact was created by said company. Search engines existed long before google, so it wouldn't be fair to allow another search engine such as bing to present a text box and a button that said "Google It!". Trademarks don't come with usage limits.

    2. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by TWX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      More to the point, when people use, "Google," as a verb, they mean to actually use Google, as opposed to using any brand of facial tissue available when saying, "Kleenex."

      Besides, if Coca-Cola can retain, "Coke," as a trademark when vast portions of the country refer to basic soft carbonated soda drinks of any type as, "coke," then I don't think that those challenging Gogole's trademark have much of a chance.

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    3. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by Noah+Haders · · Score: 1

      sometimes I google with bing or duckduckgo.

    4. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2

      More to the point, when people use, "Google," as a verb, they mean to actually use Google, as opposed to using any brand of facial tissue available when saying, "Kleenex."

      Besides, if Coca-Cola can retain, "Coke," as a trademark when vast portions of the country refer to basic soft carbonated soda drinks of any type as, "coke," then I don't think that those challenging Gogole's trademark have much of a chance.

      Let me Xerox off a few examples of when similar Noun/Verb phrases lost their trademark in the past.

    5. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by msauve · · Score: 2

      I can certainly envision someone, having been told to "google it," simply searching using Google or Bing or Dogpile to search.

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    6. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by msauve · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In my experience, very few people use "Xerox" as a verb. I've much more often heard "make some copies on the Xerox machine" (and less often without the "machine") referring generically to a photocopier.

      In any case, bad example, as Xerox still holds their trademark.

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    7. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by preaction · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Here's a Band-Aid to apply to that burn. Take some Aspirin, too.

    8. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by RenderSeven · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Take some Aspirin, too.

      Interestingly the trademark 'aspirin' (and the trademark 'heroin') was taken from Bayer AG and made generic as part of the war reparations from WWI. Outside of the major WW1 allied powers, 'aspirin' is still a trademark of Bayer.

    9. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 2

      Nah, I google with bing all the time.

    10. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Let me Xerox off a few examples of when similar Noun/Verb phrases lost their trademark in the past.

      One of them isn't Xerox, which is still a valid trademark. Most people say "photocopy" as the generic term. I have seldom heard "Xerox". I don't ever recall anyone using "Google" as a generic verb for search, as in "I googled for it with Bing."

    11. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by flargleblarg · · Score: 1

      More to the point, when people use, "Google," as a verb, they mean to actually use Google, as opposed to using any brand of facial tissue available when saying, "Kleenex."

      Exactly! You can't google something using Bing, for example. Not that you'd want to anyway. You can only google something using Google.

      (Now I feel like I need to go wash my hands after mentioning Bing. Eww.)

    12. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by Firethorn · · Score: 2

      Just remember, your own experience is anecdotal. When I was in school 'Xeroxing' was used more often than 'copying' by the government worker types I was exposed to.

      Darn near everything today is 'copied' using a form of laser printer technology, but back when I was a kid 'photocopies' were xerox machines, but you also had 'ditto' machines that the schools would use when they needed 60+ copies of something - it'd produce slightly funny looking blue ink copies that were normally not quite centered/straight on the paper. From what I remember, it used photographic technology to make a sort of screen, which would then be mounted on a drum that rotated the paper through. More expensive by far than a Xerox for a single copy, but it gave you a negative good for hundreds of prints, after which the only cost was the paper and ink that was probably a couple bucks per gallon. It was called a 'ditto machine', which wiki also calls a 'spirit duplicator'.

      In short, back then a 'copy machine' back then could refer to any of a number of devices depending on your needs - a photocopier/Xerox for a copy or two. A ditto machine for a moderate number of low quality copies(like giving kids a test), a mimeograph for larger numbers of copies, all the way up to full up printing presses for stuff like government forms.

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    13. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by preaction · · Score: 1

      But "Kleenex" is still a trademark, like "Band-Aid", "Lego", and "Nintendo". It's a very fuzzy line, and companies fight like hell against it.

      "I am stuck on Band-Aid (brand)" just doesn't have the same cadence as the original jingle...

    14. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by msauve · · Score: 1

      The most interesting trademark dispute is probably the one related to "Budweiser." "Jeep" is another, which started out in the public domain, but was then commercialized.

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    15. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by volmtech · · Score: 1

      My wife would first google Google so she could do a web search. Technologically challenged doesn't begin to describe her.

    16. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by mirix · · Score: 1

      Bayer still owns 'aspirin' in Canada, for what it's worth.

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    17. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      However Google is not the original use of the word as in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.... So Barney Google and his Googly eyes and this of course led to google eyed and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.... This is where Google management got it's search (visual action) from, just your typical nerdy geek derivative use of language, although they emphatically disingenuously deny it now. Looks like there'll be a right barney http://onlineslangdictionary.c... over the word google yet to come. Sorry guys just because it is old and drifted out of use a little doesn't mean you can steal it and you can just bet the comic is going to get a revival now.

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    18. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by rajafarian · · Score: 2

      I used to use Bing to look up Katy Perry so I could say I binged her.

    19. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by apraetor · · Score: 1

      It's interesting that Aspirin was used as an example since, as you point out, it didn't become a "generic" term via the traditional routes; it's an incorrect example.

    20. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by bipbop · · Score: 1

      Although we can't actually observe what goes on inside the majority of people's heads, we can observe usage through corpora and the like, and it does seem that most people agree that the verb google means specifically "to search using Google". But it's also clear that not everyone uses the verb this way—it's generic for some speakers, and this is true regardless of what any court decides.

    21. Re: Well, if you're going to push... by loufoque · · Score: 1

      Registering a trademark after a common name that is already in use shouldn't be allowed.
      In the Budweiser case, Europe did its job right, but the US failed.

    22. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Yeah this is what I was thinking. Nobody says to google it on Bing; they tell you to google it, or try using Bing instead. We may have forgotten what a "search" is, but we still say "use Yahoo" or "try Bing" if googling fails.

      Nobody says "well use Bing to google it then".

    23. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

      I know in some places (southern US mostly)...

      "what do you want to drink"
      "a coke"
      "what kind of coke, cola, sprite...?"

    24. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by aestrivex · · Score: 1

      I rarely would bother to use other search engines (and especially not bing), but if someone told me to google something, and for some reason I used another search engine, I would in my understanding of the terms have complied with the request to google the thing.

      The only way in which this could realistically occur, in my estimation, is if I conducted the search on a new installation of a distribution such as mint which doesn't have google as the default engine, and decided temporarily that completing the search using the default search engine were more important right now than changing the settings to use google.

    25. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      I'm in my forties, and I don't recall anyone ever using the term "Xerox". I've heard it used as an example of someone using a trademark generically, but not actually seen that occur in practice.

      Same, BTW, goes for Kleenex. Everyone I know, since the dawn of time, has said "tissue".

      Coke and Tylenol, yeah. But not Xerox or Kleenex.

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    26. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by s0nicfreak · · Score: 1

      Do you have a link to the original jingle?

    27. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by preaction · · Score: 1

      Huh. Looked up a youtube video from the 80s, and they appear to alternate between "brand" and no-"brand"... It still feels like that word is out-of-place in the tune...

    28. Re:Well, if you're going to push... by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      Nobody says "well use Bing to google it then".

      I've heard several people say "I'll google it on Bing." Mostly older people who have Windows 8 & IE as their browser by default. Your argument is invalid.

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  2. Lucky them by penguinoid · · Score: 1

    But how long until googling becomes the standard term for any web search? It is conveniently shorter, after all. And probably more specific, since search engines sometimes search stuff not directly on the web.

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    1. Re:Lucky them by Travis+Mansbridge · · Score: 2

      "Google" is not shorter than "search," and it even has more syllables.

    2. Re:Lucky them by wisnoskij · · Score: 5, Informative

      That is how the word is used now, and the summery even states that the ruling takes this into account. They know that googleing is a generic word, but Google is not. A search engine is not called a google, only Google is called Google. This does not change just because googleing is a generic term for performing a internet searching.

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    3. Re:Lucky them by Jstlook · · Score: 1

      Perhaps not, but "Google" refers to searching on the Internet using a search engine (preferably Google, if it becomes necessary to duplicate results). Therefore, "Google" is certainly shorter and more specific than "Search the internet".

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    4. Re:Lucky them by wisnoskij · · Score: 2

      googleing is shorter than "performing a web search". Go google it, is quick than "go perform a web search on that".

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    5. Re:Lucky them by steelfood · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, when people say googling, they really do mean "look it up using Google." They don't mean "look it up using DuckDuckGo" or "look it up using Yelp" or "look it up using Ask.com" or "look it up using Wolfram Alpha."

      When Google no longer dominates generic web search (as opposed to specialized internet search like Yelp) and there are other comparable players, only then would there be a case for genericization. Until then, when you say googling, people think search using Google. That's actually fairly specific (unusually so even) in terms of word meaning.

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    6. Re:Lucky them by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

      Actually, when people say googling, they really do mean "look it up using Google."

      Actually, no, they don't. They mean "look it up with whatever search engine you usually use". As in, google it with Bing".

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    7. Re:Lucky them by BringsApples · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that "googling" something only has to do with web searches. If you "youtube" something, even though it's owned by google, you're still looking up videos specifically. It's just easier to communicate when you're allowed to be non-specific. "Get in the car" is much easier to communicate than "Get in the Mazda MX-5 Miata" and we all know it. It's only assholes that require specifics in this area. ...and we all know it.

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    8. Re:Lucky them by Solandri · · Score: 1

      The closest analogy I can think of is Xerox. For a time during the 1980s, people would tell you "xerox it" instead of photocopy it. In both Xerox's and Google's cases, the company's name was being used as a generic verb for something their product did, but not as a generic description for a similar product by another company. And in both cases, the companies retained their trademark.

    9. Re:Lucky them by Kethinov · · Score: 1

      It's not shorter when you make an apples to apples comparison.

      "Go google it" is equivalent to "go web search it."

      More words and more characters, sure, but the same number of syllables.

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    10. Re:Lucky them by GNious · · Score: 1

      How about we "bing" that?

    11. Re:Lucky them by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      And "work" is much shorter than "having a beer at the local bar". But I still can't use the term "I'm at work" when I'm getting wasted. Words have meanings and are not interchangeable, you know...

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    12. Re:Lucky them by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      And my old clueless aunt calls Firefox "Internet Explorer". And even if she means Firefox, that's still wrong!

      Going to court to allow using wrong semantics... sorry, but we're definitly headed towards "Idiocracy"!

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    13. Re:Lucky them by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      I'm calling the Walkman to the stand to support your point.

      (Intresting enough, over here "xeroxing" and "kleenex" never reached such a generic status)

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    14. Re:Lucky them by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Actually, when people say googling, they really do mean "look it up using Google." They don't mean "look it up using DuckDuckGo"

      No, they mean "look it up using an internet search engine." I've seen plenty of more clueless folks who just happen to have Yahoo or Bing or whatever as their default search page that opens in their browser, and they still use the word "google," rather than a cumbersome phrase like "use an internet search engine to find..."

      or "look it up using Yelp" or "look it up using Ask.com" or "look it up using Wolfram Alpha."

      You're right, they don't mean those things, because those are specialized search, not a generic web search, which is what "googling" means.

      When Google no longer dominates generic web search (as opposed to specialized internet search like Yelp) and there are other comparable players, only then would there be a case for genericization.

      There are other "comparable players," at least ones that work well enough for many people, like Bing and Yahoo. Look up the stats -- Google may have the majority of searches, but it's only something like 2/3 of general internet searches. The other 1/3 is done on other search engines.

      So, 1/3 of people are somehow managing to do general internet searching without Google. And many of them still use the word "googling" rather than "perform a general internet search" for what they are doing.

    15. Re:Lucky them by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

      That sounds like something Microsoft would do on purpose to try to get Google's trademark taken away from them as being generic. Sleazy and low, just how Microsoft likes it!

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    16. Re:Lucky them by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      The results I get seem to be mostly people trying to come up with clever blog titles, not actually cases where someone innocently said "Well, I googled what you asked for, and Bing gave me over a gajillion results."

      Indeed, I suspect there are multiple levels here. If someone tells me to "Go google something", I may use Bing in my quest to research whatever it is I've been asked to look up. OTOH, if I say "Well, I googled it, and found...", it'll generally be the case that I'm saying I actually used Google.

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  3. Don't google it. Bing it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hey I'm just here to warn you! Don't get scroogled! Use Microsoft Bing for all your search needs! Why just the other days I Binged for some tips on my Microsoft Xbox One home entertainment system with Kinect and I got a high score!

    This message brought to you by MS's laughably inept advertising department.

    1. Re:Don't google it. Bing it! by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 5, Funny

      BING
      IS
      NOT
      GOOGLE

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    2. Re:Don't google it. Bing it! by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      I am not sure why "google" works as a verb, but MS made a bad choice in "Bing". I'm sorry, but saying you "binged" it sounds slightly obscene...Of course, it also does not work because the following sentence would feel right, "Ray Rice is in trouble because he did a bit more than just bing his girlfriend (now wife)."

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    3. Re:Don't google it. Bing it! by TWX · · Score: 1

      I hate it when my surface gets all binged up...

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    4. Re: Don't google it. Bing it! by darkain · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Fun fact. Check the reverse DNS of any Google server IP address, and it'll probably reside under xxxx.1e100.net

    5. Re: Don't google it. Bing it! by sensei+moreh · · Score: 1

      googol = 1e100. And, yes, I googled it to ensure I got the spelling correct

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    6. Re:Don't google it. Bing it! by msauve · · Score: 1

      Ah, I see you have the machine that goes "Bing!"

      This is my favorite. You see, we lease this back from the company we sold it to - that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account.

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    7. Re:Don't google it. Bing it! by Silvrmane · · Score: 2

      mind. blown.

    8. Re:Don't google it. Bing it! by Kiwikwi · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but saying you "binged" it sounds slightly obscene...

      Could be worse. Microsoft originally considered calling it "Bang".

      ...

      I'm not kidding. I guess they liked "Bang" because it conveyed a sense of, uh, instant gratification. Specifically:

      The company had several criteria in rebranding the search engine, he said. The company wanted a name that was one syllable and couldn't be misspelled and was as short as possible.

      Webster said he initially came up with "Bang." The name had a few things going for it, he noted. "It's there, it's an exclamation point," he said. "It's the opposite of a question mark."

    9. Re: Don't google it. Bing it! by wrygrin · · Score: 1

      Fun fact. Check the reverse DNS of any Google server IP address, and it'll probably reside under xxxx.1e100.net

      True. Cool!

      Whereas, whois google.com yields some quite other, unexpected spew. Unexpected by me, at least.

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    10. Re:Don't google it. Bing it! by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Bing is just ONE of the MANY bad choices MS has made....see also paying $2.5 billion for a SINGLE GAME

      Wow, a whole week ago and it's already definitely a bad idea? Please tell us more about your psychic powers.

      (not that I actually disagree)

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  4. Valuable insight by istartedi · · Score: 2

    You might even say this opens windows into trade mark law.

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    1. Re:Valuable insight by houghi · · Score: 1

      I see what you did there.

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  5. Would Google be happy with this? by bogaboga · · Score: 1

    Just wondering...

  6. well, how about /.? by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    Generic doesn't begin to describe it.

  7. Re:I google things by TWX · · Score: 1

    "Get the EEG, the BP monitor, and the AVV."

    "And get the machine that goes 'bing!'."

    "And get the most expensive machine - in case the Administrator comes."


    "Ah, I see you have the machine that goes 'bing!'. This is my favorite. You see, we lease this back from the company we sold it to - that way it comes under the monthly current budget and not the capital account."

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  8. Nice try by mauriceh · · Score: 1

    Nice try..

    Who was it?

    Apple, M$? Some other vested interest?

    In any case, people know exactly what you are saying when they refer to "Googling".
    And it ain't Bing!

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  9. So Google isn't the next Xerox?! by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    I'm shocked -- shocked! -- that Google isn't another generic Silicon Valley company.

  10. Re:Lucky them. Envy their googliness. by rmdingler · · Score: 1
    "When we hire new talent", Prasad Setty said the company looks for those who are comfortable with ambiguity. It seems clear that's only a hiring credential, as opposed to a mission statement.

    We had this conversation on a thread not long ago, but the consensus was the brand of a new product that garners the biggest market share stands the best chance of eventual induction into the Generic Hall of Fame.

    It's self-evident your product was marketed FTW if your competitor's customers ask for your product's nickname when they shop. My personal example is when I one and a hundred zeros some random information I need to look up.

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  11. If there was only one viable choice ... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 1

    Let me Xerox off a few examples of when similar Noun/Verb phrases lost their trademark in the past

    Before Xerox came out with the photocopy machine which uses plain-paper for duplicating purposes, were there any such machine on the market?

    No?

    Before Google was online, was there any online search engine?

    Yes!

    Yahoo, Astavista, ... amongst others

    Coke gets to retain its trademark precisely because Coke wasn't the first mass-marketed bottled soft drink either

    The one big problem with Yahoo is it cluttered up its interface - even from the start we users already complained about their interface, but they just won't listen, and when Google came out with its back-to-basic minimalist interface users flocked to Google (including me) and since then the only time I go to yahoo is when I need to log on to my yahoomail account

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    1. Re:If there was only one viable choice ... by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2

      It wasn't just about interface. People tend to forget how search engines did an absolutely horrible job of intelligently ranking the sites you wanted to see. They relied primarily upon keywords and other sort of fairly obvious metrics on the site itself, which of course can be significantly gamed. I've seen "tag clouds" on some sites and blogs, which I'm presuming is due in part to one of the historical metrics being how large a visible word is on a site - the obvious presumption being that keywords in titles should be weighted more heavily.

      Google showed up and not only provided a vastly superior interface (look, all you want is to search, right? Here you go!), it also was the very first search engine that actually had a really good chance at returning the most relevant search as the very first result due to it's PageRank algorithm - hence, the "I'm feeling lucky!" button. Such a button would have been labelled "I'd love to win the lottery!" for other search engines, since the results you were looking for might well be on page 13 of a hundred pages of results returned.

      One could argue that although Google did not invent web searching, they may have been the first ones to invent truly effective web searching algorithms. It was only the pressure of Google's overwhelming effectiveness that forced other companies to significantly improve their own search engines. Even today, other companies have a hard time even reaching parity with Google search, let alone exceeding it, although such metrics are obviously somewhat subjective.

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    2. Re:If there was only one viable choice ... by bipbop · · Score: 1

      For over a decade, there's been a simplified search page similar to Google's at http://search.yahoo.com/. Of course, there's no reason to use Yahoo! Search anymore, but they did listen back then. (I was working there at the time, so I have a decent but probably imperfect memory of the timeline.)

    3. Re:If there was only one viable choice ... by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Yahoo, Astavista, ... amongst others

      Astavista? Thank you for pointing out what kind of search queries you were intrested in :-)

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    4. Re:If there was only one viable choice ... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      It wasn't just about interface. People tend to forget how search engines did an absolutely horrible job of intelligently ranking the sites you wanted to see.

      I find it pretty easy to remember - I go to Google today.

      The UI was what made me switch both to Google originally and from it some years later. When I started using Google - and when Google started gaining significant market share - most users were on 56Kb/s or slower modem connections. AltaVista was the market leader and they'd put so much crap in their front page that it took 30 seconds to load (and then another 20 or so to show the results). Google loaded in 2-3 seconds. The AltaVista search results had to be a lot better to be faster. I switched away when they made the up and down arrow keys in their search box behave differently to every other text field in the system.

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    5. Re:If there was only one viable choice ... by Mathinker · · Score: 1

      > I switched away when they made the up and down arrow keys...

      Didn't notice that yet. What's putting me on the verge of switching is Google's phasing out (or appearance thereof) of any kind of "hard" searching. Unfortunately, I haven't found any good alternatives with better "hard" search capability.

    6. Re:If there was only one viable choice ... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I switched to DuckDuckGo and haven't looked back. They used to be noticeably worse in results quality, but Google has gone a long way downhill. Occasionally I don't find things with DDG and try Google. When I do, I have to wade through pages of totally irrelevant stuff to find that there are no matches, whereas at least DDG tells me straight away that it can only find half a dozen possibly-relevant things. I especially like the way DDG integrates with a number of domain-specific search engines.

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    7. Re:If there was only one viable choice ... by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Pro-tip, which I learned recently: Google has actually a hidden (well, obscure, it's there but there's no reason you'd think it does what it does) option that means "Just give me the results using the algorithms you used back when Google was useful." Search Tools -> (All Results) : Verbatim.

      No, you can't make it a default. They track that you're probably male, probably interested in tech, and that you'd be a good person to present ads for spiked leather underpants to, but they don't track that you actually want useful search engine results. Sigh.

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  12. Aspirin by Adrian+Harvey · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As a pedant, I'd like to note that aspirin did not become a generic as a result of its mass usage nor as the result of a court case, but was part of war reparations with Germany. See here for more detail, or just google it :-)

  13. Trade-off between mind-share and commoditization by Alan+Kennington · · Score: 2

    That's really interesting how companies expend such huge efforts to make their brand a household name, and then they say they still want to own it for themselves exclusively. For example, so many people talk now about iphones, ipads and ipods as generic terms. That's sort of good for the vendor, but then when it really does become a generic term, they bring a ton of legal bricks down on anyone who does use their name generically. In other words, heads we win, tails you lose.

    Another really evil example is "windows", which used to be a generic term, e.g. for the X window system. Microsoft continually tries to use words out of the dictionary to get "mind-share", and then they sue people who use their chosen dictionary words as they had existed for centuries. (The word "windows" comes from old English meaning "wind-holes". Maybe that's not what they really want you to think about though.) In my opinion, it is truly pernicious that so many companies are trying to steal words from the dictionary and pretending they own them. They should be obliged to invent their own words.

    In this case, Google did at least get a nonsense word and slightly change it. I still have a children's book published in 1961 by Wonder Books: "The how and why wonder book of mathematics" by Esther Harris Highland and Harold Joseph Highland, where on page 4 it says: "What is a googol? It is 1 followed by 100 zeros. It is a number so large that it exceeds the number of raindrops that would fall on New York, Los Angeles and Chicago in more than a century. Yet, it is smaller than infinity." In the Introduction on page 2, they say: "If you wanted to find a googol, where would you look? In a zoo? Through a telescope? In a deep well? No, you would look in a mathematics book." Well, at least Google does seem to have changed the spelling a bit, which is to their credit.

  14. Because when I say Google it... by jafiwam · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I mean, specifically GO TO FUCKING GOOGLE.COM and use the search engine there. Not Bing, not whatever else, and especially not your "ask.com" tool bar that infected your computer. GOOGLE. Nobody uses it generically, they all mean specifically go to Google to search. It's you retards that don't know how to search that think we mean something else.

    1. Re:Because when I say Google it... by neminem · · Score: 1

      I would mod you up, but I don't have mod points at the moment. So I will instead comment that this is entirely accurate: when I say that I xerox'd something, I have absolutely no clue whether the machine I used to copy a paper was actual a Xerox brand machine. When I say I used a kleenex, it's extremely *unlikely*, in fact, that I actually used a Kleenex-brand tissue.

      On the other hand, when I tell someone to google something, I mean use freaking Google, not anything else. Because everything else freaking blows. (I tried using duckduckgo once, a couple years ago. I liked what they were doing, but I realized after a couple weeks that like 75% of the time I just ended up putting !google in the search if I actually wanted decent search results, so I said screw it and went back to Google.)

    2. Re:Because when I say Google it... by houghi · · Score: 1

      This might come as a shock, but this is not about you. This is about using a brand name as a generic word.
      Most people when they say "Google it" what they mean is "Do an online websearch with the searchengine of your choice."

      Most people will indeed use Google. The fact that some people do NOT use google when you ask them to "google it" is all the more evidence that it is generic.

      Just like when people used to say they had a Walkman, what they were saying was not "I have bought a specific device from Sony." They were saying "I bought a mobile cassette player, regardless of the brand."

      Language changes over time. Hacker does not mean anymore what it used to mean. The same is happening with "google it". In Belgium a 'Bic' is not brand related anymore, it can mean an expensive golden Dupont as well as the cheapo pen with the brandname 'bic'.

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  15. Re:Google stole "APK" from ME... apk by dave420 · · Score: 1

    I doubt anyone's going to confuse Google's Android package filename extension with the Slashdot kook who's always banging on about hosts files like they cure AIDS and raise the dead, spamming Slashdot in the process. It's kind of strange as your divine hosts solution is supposed to stop advertising, yet it can do nothing to stop yours.

  16. In other news... by ThatsDrDangerToYou · · Score: 1

    Kardashian is still not a trademark..

  17. It's not used generically by Qhartb · · Score: 1

    People say they need a Kleenex and grab a generic brand facial tissue. Few people say they'll "Google" something then proceed to use Bing.

  18. Re:Contrast it with "iPad" by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    That's sportscasters, not human beings. You can't generalize to intelligent life-forms.

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    "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  19. Good. Should help fight spam. by Chalnoth · · Score: 1

    Looks like the plaintiff in the case is one David Elliott, who owns the domains "googleDonaldTrump.com" and "googlegaycruises.com" (maybe others as well? I don't know...). Getting rid of spam URL's like these should improve the overall Internet.

  20. Re:Hey "ne'er-do-well": You've done better? by dave420 · · Score: 1

    My references to the exaggerated benefits were an attempt at humour. It's unsurprising you didn't get it, as poor humour detection is a symptom of schizophrenia.

    None of this doesn't change the fact that your hosts files can't stop the deluge of spam coming from you, whereas a correctly-configured AdBlocker most certainly can. Surely you can see the irony.

    The fact you seem to think I'm a nothing in the field of computing is a great example of how you leap to conclusions. You don't know me, but as I challenged your beloved hosts files, you decided that the best way to deflect my accurate criticism is by attempting to belittle me. Normal, sane people who read your posts can see this, whereas I'm assuming you seem to think it as some wonderful debating technique.

    I'm not laughing - you need some serious help, as you are clearly mentally unwell.

  21. Re:Dave420 = the 'SiDeWaLk-ShRiNk' of /. lol! by dave420 · · Score: 1

    So you rail against being called schizophrenic with a textbook example of a schizophrenic rant? Brilliant. It doesn't take a doctor to diagnose a broken leg, just as it doesn't take a psychiatrist to know that someone who keeps vomiting nonsense on slashdot in the particularly acidic, uncoordinated, and generally nonsensical fashion as you do might need some help.

  22. Re:Prove my points on hosts wrong then dave420 by dave420 · · Score: 1

    As I said before: AdBlockers can block specific spammy parts of websites, which HOSTS files can't do. For example, a good AdBlocker can block all your posts from Slashdot by simply matching some content and hiding it using CSS or even removing it using JavaScript. HOSTS can't do anything of the sort.

    Which is my entire point - your posts are spam, and your own product can't hide them if the user wanted. The irony is palpable.

  23. Re:You talk the talk: Walk the walk by dave420 · · Score: 1

    As pitiful as pretending to be someone else, APK? Hint: If you're pretending to be someone else, don't use your same writing style (change the subject, preferably using colons), and don't use similar working you used in the previous post.

  24. Re:Answer these questions dave420 by dave420 · · Score: 1

    I'm not denying all those things, I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming, as hosts files can't do that. That's it. Please learn to read and understand what I wrote before launching into a schizophrenic rage.

  25. Re:You fail as always by dave420 · · Score: 1

    APK - why are you pretending to be someone else? I know multiple personalities are not a classic symptom of schizophrenia, so perhaps you also suffer from something else? You really should get some help - this is embarrassing and so unnecessary.

  26. Re:Evasion != effective debate technique by dave420 · · Score: 1

    1. As I pointed out, it doesn't take a psychiatric doctor to recognise the signs of a severely mentally-ill person, just as it doesn't take a chartered surveyor to recognise a house's roof has fallen off.

    2. I don't have to show you proof of anything, as I merely pointed out that you defensively jumping to conclusions about my abilities merely illustrates your tenuous grip on reality, and a complete lack of being able to conduct yourself in an open, public discussion

    3. I only pointed out that hosts files can't block spam such as your rambling slashdot posts. That's it. I'm not debating the rest of their abilities, as hosts files are so ridiculously simple to understand and implement, any 8-year-old could explain them in depth after 2 minutes of being told what they are and how they work.

  27. Re:Evasion != effective debate technique by dave420 · · Score: 1

    Why are you referring to yourself in the third person, APK? More mental instability?

  28. Re:You fail as always by dave420 · · Score: 1

    APK, no, I was not "destroyed". I pointed out a short-coming in the hosts system, which you failed to counter. That's it. Please stop this charade - it's pathetic.