>> If you troll and do things that people don't like, you are bound to get a lot of negative feedback. Your own remarks a a fine example of this. > It's fascinating how in the digital age people have lost sight of this.
This seems so confused to me. No one has lost sight of this. You can't post into any forum, join any community distro, with the intention of receiving or giving help without coming in "with your hat in your hand", so to speak (more for the former than the latter, actually). What happens afterwards depends greatly on moderation and the culture. In an anarchic culture you're lucky if you can give as good as you get.
And that's exactly the confused and mighty culture which was needed to make competitive products with juggernauts the ilk of Microsoft. Who would 'av thunk it possible 20 years ago? Technologies are maturing. People grow up. They don't want to fight tooth and nail--all the time.
Or so I thought. It has something to do with my router setup. Whatever. But my point is it sucks!
Its not like its always slow. Instead I'll be surfing the net, and without warning a link will throw up my cable company's Could Not Find URL error page. If I look at the ping, there are these crazy large time lags. Rather than it taking a long time for the page to load, its as if the internet became SMALLER. The I have to WORK slower. And then, just everything is back to normal.
I've managed to keep my machines in service well past the updates in OS. If Apple products really go on the fritz near the time of new releases, they've been doing it for a long time.
#5. "safe computing" is a good term for a novice user. I believe a KISS foundation of save, organize, and archive is first, BUT... when you add networking then safe computing really has meaning.
The BIG PICTURE here is to realize the truth of the internet--everyone is anonymous (or semi-anonymous)! Keep work email for work, private email for personal messages and an ANON account for signing up for netflix or wot wot. This way you maximize you reachability for important messages and minimize your vunerability for span, phishing, spoofing, etc.
Ok, Maybe this is a bit bozo, BUT IMHO computer literacy begins with save, organize and (most importantly) archive files.
If you're on a GUI app you have a backup to CD-ROM program or tape drive. You know how to find the files you need to keep (system preferences, email databases, HTML bookmark files, etc.). If you're using a text-based interface you can copy files and keep a copy of the original in the event you flub.
Computers are about data you generate from other applications. Skills to save your work product is the most valueable first lesson--no matter what type of system you're on.
> On the other hand, sometimes it's better to know the basics before going off > to advanced topics like this. What do you guys think? Just my 2c. Unless they're completely lost, you can teach anyone to perform a complex task using complex methods. The more basics you know the more they'll get into trouble.
I'm gon'na stick my neck out and butt in. I noticed in your characterization of these designers, you were none to nice in describing their grasp of it. Then they need some instruction. I'll ask you if you see wisdom in a basics approach described by the book review, plus a detailed toolbox of your methods for the site's design? Baring exceptions/deviations for performance, it this bottom up approach could level the discussions.
The differences are more like a sociological difference between American English and British English. It's still english. Raskin approach is like Esperanto.
Call it academic or fodder for a software industry that is lagging bahind hardware. The point is unlike our own englsih language, computer UI have only evolved over the past 25 years (10 years if you start count at Win95). His opinions are anathema for project developers-detail mongers.
It's sneaky attitude to take towards loyal users of either Win or Mac, sure. It won't change the Mac or Win today. I'm reading THE now. I'd make half of it as trying to fix something he's still on from c.1981. The other half does what it should, and call attention to the reality of how both OS's are old crap. If it wasn't for mobile computers, we wouldn't really have any other comparrision.
Obviously the posters are all in a knot over the big nasty DRM and some crappy eBook history. Git over it putzez.
Maybe there is some worry because Sony is dumb when it comes to content. Just look at their Mini Disk to see that (fyi, proprietary format). As long as Sony Entertainment doesn't start publishing, then I don't see a conflict.
Speaking of no conflict, why is a convenient, portable, eBook reader so hard to imagine? Apple made the iPod, they provided nothing but a store front to download music and its doing gangbusters. Why would Sony look any further? Neither should u/.
DRM issues? With/. dot so helpful, who can't find somebody who's worked it out before u?
Hardware? There are already hardware types here with PDA and more with stylus/notebooks. The new display technology in this Sony is fantastic-better battery life. I can't wait. What's the cost again?
Content? Unless you're a publisher and you're scratching your head wondering if Sony is going to put you out of business, who cares? See DRM above.
Break the tether! I want a gadget to collect all the content that I never have time to read. It never gets into book format and no publisher would touch it. It's on the web and somebody is publishing it every day.
[quote]If your stuff is that secure, then why do you not implement some sort of key system that will only let you into a file (even a local file) if your connected to the company network?[/quote]
What is this? I'm aware of author protected file. Whats this about network located files? Anyone have an example? I would hazard a guess it acts like software registration. Is this a file or appliation security?
Its easy enoughf to take a file in a low or minimum security situation. This sounds like a casual policy. Like some companies have dress policies that are moderately inforced. And some companies require a, aack, tie.
Damn. I've been a hobbist on Linux for about two years. I believed it existed, but in some other configuration. I'm astonished to read that there is no bash C'nP function. Just the arrow key command history, eh? What do the wonks do when working on multiple vritual terminals and you need to take carry a search result?
Tivo: bringing a new product to market and ruining an industry --no matter how revolutionary the tech-- not a good idea.
VCR is ok, because you're actually watching the commertials the first time you record something. At the very least the commertials are still there, even if you fast forward.
Because Tivo practically eliminates commertials with its skip and delay, advertisers are nervous. The irony is that consumers don't care. There have not been droves of people throwing money at Tivo for their set top boxes.
Tivo now wishes they would have made friends with the advertising companies b4 they made enemies of them. Tivo could have have headed this off years ago by having premium adds at a minimum.
In a word, thoughtless.
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"There are lots of reasons email persists, even as faster and simpler forms of communication proliferate..."
Lost me at "faster".
My Pay as you go $40/ month is still 2Gigs. Rising tide it ain't
Here's a similar comment raised in a Linux/UNIX Dev post (context). I'm not the one to answer, but I am interested in the difference between the two.
http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
>> If you troll and do things that people don't like, you are bound to get a lot of negative feedback. Your own remarks a a fine example of this.
> It's fascinating how in the digital age people have lost sight of this.
This seems so confused to me. No one has lost sight of this. You can't post into any forum, join any community distro, with the intention of receiving or giving help without coming in "with your hat in your hand", so to speak (more for the former than the latter, actually). What happens afterwards depends greatly on moderation and the culture. In an anarchic culture you're lucky if you can give as good as you get.
And that's exactly the confused and mighty culture which was needed to make competitive products with juggernauts the ilk of Microsoft.
Who would 'av thunk it possible 20 years ago?
Technologies are maturing.
People grow up.
They don't want to fight tooth and nail--all the time.
Or so I thought. It has something to do with my router setup. Whatever.
But my point is it sucks!
Its not like its always slow. Instead I'll be surfing the net, and without warning a link will throw up my cable company's Could Not Find URL error page. If I look at the ping, there are these crazy large time lags. Rather than it taking a long time for the page to load, its as if the internet became SMALLER. The I have to WORK slower. And then, just everything is back to normal.
I sometimes think MY Kindle isn't mine because the GUI makes it easier to buy more books than it does to search and use the one's I have.
Oh, and all the ads!
WSOD? http://civic.mit.edu/blog/nate...
I've managed to keep my machines in service well past the updates in OS. If Apple products really go on the fritz near the time of new releases, they've been doing it for a long time.
#5. "safe computing" is a good term for a novice user. I believe a KISS foundation of save, organize, and archive is first, BUT... when you add networking then safe computing really has meaning.
The BIG PICTURE here is to realize the truth of the internet--everyone is anonymous (or semi-anonymous)! Keep work email for work, private email for personal messages and an ANON account for signing up for netflix or wot wot. This way you maximize you reachability for important messages and minimize your vunerability for span, phishing, spoofing, etc.
Ok, Maybe this is a bit bozo, BUT IMHO computer literacy begins with save, organize and (most importantly) archive files.
If you're on a GUI app you have a backup to CD-ROM program or tape drive. You know how to find the files you need to keep (system preferences, email databases, HTML bookmark files, etc.). If you're using a text-based interface you can copy files and keep a copy of the original in the event you flub.
Computers are about data you generate from other applications. Skills to save your work product is the most valueable first lesson--no matter what type of system you're on.
> On the other hand, sometimes it's better to know the basics before going off
> to advanced topics like this. What do you guys think?
Just my 2c. Unless they're completely lost, you can teach anyone to perform a complex task using complex methods. The more basics you know the more they'll get into trouble.
I'm gon'na stick my neck out and butt in. I noticed in your characterization of these designers, you were none to nice in describing their grasp of it. Then they need some instruction. I'll ask you if you see wisdom in a basics approach described by the book review, plus a detailed toolbox of your methods for the site's design? Baring exceptions/deviations for performance, it this bottom up approach could level the discussions.
Peace, Robot Monster. I just.... wanna....dance...!
The differences are more like a sociological difference between American English and British English. It's still english. Raskin approach is like Esperanto.
Call it academic or fodder for a software industry that is lagging bahind hardware. The point is unlike our own englsih language, computer UI have only evolved over the past 25 years (10 years if you start count at Win95). His opinions are anathema for project developers-detail mongers.
It's sneaky attitude to take towards loyal users of either Win or Mac, sure. It won't change the Mac or Win today. I'm reading THE now. I'd make half of it as trying to fix something he's still on from c.1981. The other half does what it should, and call attention to the reality of how both OS's are old crap. If it wasn't for mobile computers, we wouldn't really have any other comparrision.
Is it just me or does the army's latest high-tech look like japanese anime from 1980's ala Macros Saga?
Obviously the posters are all in a knot over the big nasty DRM and some crappy eBook history. Git over it putzez.
/.
Maybe there is some worry because Sony is dumb when it comes to content. Just look at their Mini Disk to see that (fyi, proprietary format). As long as Sony Entertainment doesn't start publishing, then I don't see a conflict.
Speaking of no conflict, why is a convenient, portable, eBook reader so hard to imagine? Apple made the iPod, they provided nothing but a store front to download music and its doing gangbusters. Why would Sony look any further? Neither should u
DRM issues? With /. dot so helpful, who can't find somebody who's worked it out before u?
Hardware? There are already hardware types here with PDA and more with stylus/notebooks. The new display technology in this Sony is fantastic-better battery life. I can't wait. What's the cost again?
Content? Unless you're a publisher and you're scratching your head wondering if Sony is going to put you out of business, who cares? See DRM above.
Break the tether! I want a gadget to collect all the content that I never have time to read. It never gets into book format and no publisher would touch it. It's on the web and somebody is publishing it every day.
...and boots off a floppy disk.
[quote]If your stuff is that secure, then why do you not implement some sort of key system that will only let you into a file (even a local file) if your connected to the company network?[/quote]
What is this? I'm aware of author protected file. Whats this about network located files? Anyone have an example? I would hazard a guess it acts like software registration. Is this a file or appliation security?
Its easy enoughf to take a file in a low or minimum security situation. This sounds like a casual policy. Like some companies have dress policies that are moderately inforced. And some companies require a, aack, tie.
I use a wood stick as a prop and a small fan. The internal fan *never* turns on.
Anyone want to post the basic use of and to copy and paste between virtual terminals in bash?
I don't know if you're being a smart ass,
Often. ehehe.
You're assuming that I'm running X, no?
I am familiar with the redirect to file, but I need real commands.
I like the "paste deleted" option, I'm hand writing (>_) a Post-It as we speak.
Damn. I've been a hobbist on Linux for about two years. I believed it existed, but in some other configuration. I'm astonished to read that there is no bash C'nP function. Just the arrow key command history, eh? What do the wonks do when working on multiple vritual terminals and you need to take carry a search result?
Tivo: bringing a new product to market and ruining an industry --no matter how revolutionary the tech-- not a good idea. VCR is ok, because you're actually watching the commertials the first time you record something. At the very least the commertials are still there, even if you fast forward. Because Tivo practically eliminates commertials with its skip and delay, advertisers are nervous. The irony is that consumers don't care. There have not been droves of people throwing money at Tivo for their set top boxes. Tivo now wishes they would have made friends with the advertising companies b4 they made enemies of them. Tivo could have have headed this off years ago by having premium adds at a minimum. In a word, thoughtless.