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Canadian Police Recommend Ending Anonymity On the Internet

An anonymous reader writes "Michael Geist reports that last week the Ontario Provincial Police, one of Canada's largest police forces, recommended legally ending anonymity on the Internet. Noting the need for drivers licenses to drive or marriage licenses to get married, the police suggested that an Internet license that would reveal all users is needed to address online crime. The Canadian Supreme Court strongly endorsed a right to anonymity earlier this year."

231 comments

  1. ROFL by kuzb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, good luck with that one, RCMP! it's like law enforcement lives inside of it's own little reality distortion bubble.

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    1. Re:ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This was the Ontario provincial police and not the RCMP.

      I doubt this will go anywhere. This appears to be a statement made by someone with no grasp of the technical issues being blown way out of proportion.

    2. Re:ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Uhh, this is from the OPP, the Ontario police, not the federal RCMP.

      Stupid right-wing conservatives ruining Ontario! Wait a minute, you're telling me Ontario's government is Liberal??

    3. Re: ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      People who post anonymously are cowards.

    4. Re:ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      RCMP != OPP

    5. Re:ROFL by The+Ickle+Jones · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We need to give up all of our rights in order to make the jobs of cops easier. How about we let the government install surveillance equipment in everyone's homes and allow them to break into anyone's house for any reason? After all, freedom is less important than safety.

      Now we're thinking Small!

    6. Re:ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure they are OPP....

    7. Re:ROFL by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      The problem as I see it is not the authorities, but that if you have an unusual name and have opinions that aren't popular in one camp then you run the risk of getting harassed. Even if your opinion is legal and acceptable you can still run this risk. You will only have to go as far as a political opinion that can cause trench warfare. Like Obamacare.

      Some people have the tendency to focus more on you as a person than on the issue.

      The end result will be that people won't dare to publish their opinions due to the risk of being followed, getting their property damaged or worse.

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    8. Re:ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can see why it is an interesting idea.

      There are many out there who abuse it. Those who abuse it and hide behind it like cowards. Spouting off death threats and doxing people.

      There are others who need it. For example me. My opinions are usually fairly 'conservative'. Yet I am not stupid enough to think that I can spout off whatever on the internet and it does not come back to haunt me. My 'image' under my real names is very well crafted to be someone who is aloof, easy going, and helpful. So that way *when* some HR drone googles my name it does not happen to come back with something they happen to disagree with. I figured that out back in the usenet/bbs days.

      So instead of holding an opinion you can now get the internet brigade to internet rage on you. Because I happen to disagree with someone or donate money to a party and they decide they do not like me and want to get me fired. Because I am 'a monster'. These people no longer play 'fair'. They want to whip up a storm in a teacup. Then make sure you suffer for the rest of your life. All because you disagreed with them on the internet.

      Posting AC just to make my point.

    9. Re:ROFL by khasim · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Fascism begins when the efficiency of the Government becomes more important than the Rights of the People.

      There are a lot of people out there who would like the world to be a bit more orderly. Even if there is a bit less freedom. As long as they're still at the top.

      Think of all the dictatorships and such that would love to be able to lock down the Internet like that. With the support of those Canadian politicians and police.

    10. Re:ROFL by The+Ickle+Jones · · Score: 1

      The problem as I see it is not the authorities, but that if you have an unusual name and have opinions that aren't popular in one camp then you run the risk of getting harassed.

      It's both. We already know that the authorities will harass movement leaders (such as MLK), people posting jokes, popular people who say things they don't like, etc. 'Normal' people will also harass them too, of course.

    11. Re:ROFL by TWX · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sounds to me like it's a statement by someone that doesn't understand the broader implications in how collected data over time can be abused either. The American FBI proved that with its extensive files on people of-note that it wanted to find something, anything that could be used against them, even if that leverage was based on something that was not illegal in the then-present, was not illegal in the past, or was illegal in the past but not illegal in the then-present.

      We as a society have changed what is and is not acceptable. Judging past actions and attitudes through a current lens will always yield a negative view, and thus the practice needs to be discouraged when it's not appropriate.

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    12. Re:ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure they are OPP....

      Other People's Pussy?

      Are you down wit OPP? Yeah you know me!

    13. Re:ROFL by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

      Well, the one thing we can always be certain of, and that is law enforcement is woefully, one might even say willfully, ignorant of technical issues.

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    14. Re:ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      posting anon because fuck canada

    15. Re:ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And we all wonder why there is a GamerGate scandal ....

    16. Re:ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sounds to me like it's a statement by someone that doesn't understand the broader implications in how collected data over time can be abused either.

      You're so right; this officer risks getting a Police state in which the powers of the police would be unlimited and their status would be completely enhanced. I think he must be terrified thinking how he would be likely to have pay rises and gifts forced upon him. Good thing we on Slasdot are here to warn him that he risks getting unlimited power. Most of all we should warn him that he'll be able to use his power to blackmail neigborhood girls into sleeping with him. Sure that will put him off.

    17. Re:ROFL by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      The Canadian Devil was hired as the prime minister of internet identity.

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    18. Re:ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As usual, unless you say FUCK THE POLICE to yourself each and every day, and constantly work to keep them down, it is YOU who will eventually be kept down... like face down in the bedroom with a boot on your neck, two of them sitting on you drinking beers, while they RAPE your WIFE and DAUGHTER for fun. BTW, they'll shoot your dog too.

    19. Re:ROFL by Znork · · Score: 2

      It's utterly disgusting when they try to frame this as an issue to resolve 'cyberbullying'. Blatantly disregarding all those who avoid 'real world bullying' by being able to anonymously publish thoughts and opinions on the internet.

      It is not a good thing that, for many, it's more convenient to be anonymous or pseudonymous if you're part of a sexual, political or religious minority, but it is a reality. Forcing all those individuals to shut up or risk facing real life consequences up to and including physical abuse does much more harm than learning to ignore the bluster of random anonymous internet bullies.

    20. Re:ROFL by pla · · Score: 1

      And we all wonder why there is a GamerGate scandal ....

      Because some people still don't know what Naughty By Nature's lyrics meant, 23 years later?

      Sorry, bud, not making the connection...

    21. Re:ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I think it's a pretty good description of one aspect of fascism. Like wikipedia says (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism), Fascism derives from the "fasces" (a bundle of rods tied around an axe) that represented the authority of the magistrate and the strength of unity. I'm not sure what definition of fascism you're thinking about though...

    22. Re:ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whatever, they're all RCKY in my book - see Ren and Stimpy if you need an explanation.

    23. Re:ROFL by xclr8r · · Score: 1

      I think this should be implemented with a sample population 1st and records open to the public. The sample population would of course be the Ontario P.P.

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    24. Re:ROFL by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      Without anonymity, there absolutely is a chilling effect, yes.

      But your post ... 'even if your opinion is legal...'. is that a thing? Opinions being illegal, anywhere?

    25. Re:ROFL by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      And we all wonder why there is a GamerGate scandal ....
      Because some people still don't know what Naughty By Nature's lyrics meant, 23 years later?
      Sorry, bud, not making the connection...

      Sorry, never heard of them. I see they had some success a long time ago, but it didn't impinge on my consciousness.

      Perhaps you could clarify how no knowing these lyrics has any bearing on why where is a GamerGate scandal? Are you saying that if Naughty by Nature wrote different lyrics, the GamerGate scandal would not have occured?
       

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    26. Re:ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So this might be law in the "civilized" countries. It will do nothing for all the bad guys on the internet operating with continued impunity from Russia, China, Brazil, Zambia, Oman, Burundi, Chile, (list of another 180+ countries)....

      Stoopid, stoopid, stoopid. Its like gun control. License the legal users and only the criminals end up having guns.

    27. Re:ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More to the point, it was made by somebody who didn't realize that the supreme court's already ruled that we've got a right to anonymity.

    28. Re:ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the OPP, not the RCMP.

      The same outfit notorious for raiding a sci-fi convention (many years back) because somebody had a "penisaurus" pillow. (Jerry Pournelle was the GOH, he's mentioned it a couple of times.)

      Basically it's just the cops whining because their job is hard and it'd be so much easier if they could just trample everybody's rights. Fuck that. If you don't like it, quit.

    29. Re:ROFL by mark-t · · Score: 2

      As far as Ontario is concerned, I'm not sure they'll notice any difference.... since they tend to believe that Ontario is practically all of Canada over there anyways, or at least the only part of it that actually matters.

    30. Re:ROFL by Stoutlimb · · Score: 1

      Yes and no. Expressing opinions can become illegal if it's done to harass or cause suffering. In Canada hate speech is a crime. Expressing opinion in the form of counseling someone to commit a crime can be actionable. The distinction can get fuzzy at times.

    31. Re:ROFL by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      One of my favorites!

      (Stimpy)
      Our country reeks of trees
      Our yaks are really large
      And they smell like rotting beef carcasses

      And we have to clean up after them
      And our saddle sores are the best
      We proudly wear womens clothing
      And searing sand blows up our skirts!

      (Ren joins with Stimpy)
      And the buzzards, they soar overhead
      And poisonous snakes will devour us whole
      And our bones will bleach in the sun

      (Stimpy)
      That's it!

      (Ren & Stimpy)
      And we will probably go to (censored)
      And that is our great reward
      For being the
      Ro-oy-oy-al
      Canadian Kilted Yaksmen!

    32. Re:ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RCMP + OPP = GOVERNMENT.

    33. Re:ROFL by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Ahh...the OPP, who directly campaigned for the current government of Ontario. Who were doing an investigation into the gas plant scandals, which has mysteriously ended...the Liberals(party) however, have investigated themselves, and I'm sure they're going to find no corruption at all.

      Being realistic though, the OPP doesn't have in-car terminals, if they want to make an inquiry they have to call it in. So that should tell you how far behind the times they are. Compared to a place like Peel Region where every officers vehicle is real-time GPS tracked.

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    34. Re:ROFL by kheldan · · Score: 1

      If there was any one thing that would degrade and destroy the Internet permanently for everyone, it would be THIS. Also, good luck trying to get the rest of the world to go along with it, you jackasses, and thanks so much for essentially saying 'oh, your country doesn't believe in free speech and the Internet is your only way to be heard? Tough shit'. And they say we here in the U.S. are the assholes. I thought Canadians were supposed to be polite to a fault.

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    35. Re:ROFL by MacDork · · Score: 1

      Re: RCMP.

      What anonymity?

      -- NSA

    36. Re:ROFL by Prune · · Score: 1

      It's not the RCMP; it's the Ontario Provincial police. Your joke doesn't work nearly as well when this story is about a mere regional police force and has no implications as to state policy.

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      "Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason."
    37. Re:ROFL by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sounds to me like it's a statement by someone that doesn't understand...

      Historically, police have ALWAYS said this. "We have to restrict people's freedoms or criminals will get away." It has been the endless chant of law enforcement, and when legislators somehow get the idea it is correct, invariably freedoms are restricted or infringed.

      But of course it's nonsense. Look where that kind of attitude has brought us: not just more total people but more people per capita in prison than any other country in the civilized world (and even including places many of use would not count as civilized).

      History shows very clearly that freer societies do better in every measurable way: health, longevity, economy, etc. etc. Police states have invariably led to the downfall of the culture.

    38. Re:ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      even if such a feat were possible, which without major changes to the way the internet works it really isn't easily possible, it would probably be more dangerous than good.

      The bad guys would find a way around it and the rest of us would have our data (including name and other info contained in the "license") exposed to the criminals! Great idea! :(

      This has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard!

    39. Re:ROFL by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Link.

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    40. Re: ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was inevitable that a scandal would erupt after a woman who develops games allegedly cheated on her boyfriend with multiple members of the gaming press, because some black people wrote and recorded a song before the Internet was popular.

      QED

    41. Re:ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not the RCMP; it's the Ontario Provincial police. Your joke doesn't work nearly as well when this story is about a mere regional police force and has no implications as to state policy.

      Apparently you fail to realise that a province is considered a state in as much as the territory has its own government. The law courts routinely consider case law from other provinces in Canada, and politicians at the federal level have been known to adopt policy and in some cases introduced legislation very similar to that enacted by a provincial legislature. As for the Royal Canadian Mounted Police not being the same as the Ontario Provincial Police the only significant distinction is their patrol area.

    42. Re:ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you're thinking of Toronto

    43. Re:ROFL by CaptQuark · · Score: 1

      No, they are technically competent. They just want to make their jobs easier. Following their logic, every vehicle should have a GPS tracking device to make it easier to find the speeders, drug dealers, kidnappers, bail jumpers, etc. Why let privacy concerns get in the way of making their job easier?

      ~~

    44. Re:ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... since they tend to believe that Ontario is practically all of Canada over there anyways, or at least the only part of it that actually matters.

      They passed a law so we in the west can't know (suuuure) the Ontario election results until after the polls close here, because otherwise we'd see the election was already over before we voted. That's how much the rest of Canada matters.

    45. Re:ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I doubt this will go anywhere. This appears to be a statement made by someone with no grasp of the technical issues being blown way out of proportion."

      That never stopped any politician from passing bad legislation.

    46. Re:ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd be delighted to know which Canadian Police are posting on the internet.

    47. Re:ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll gladly install my 'pecker-cam' so Officer Friendly can see when I'm giving it to his wife really really good

    48. Re:ROFL by Meski · · Score: 1

      This was satire that got misfiled.

    49. Re:ROFL by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      If there was any one thing that would degrade and destroy the Internet permanently for everyone, it would be THIS.

      No, it wouldn't. I am fairly confident that this would have no baring on systems like Freenet. I'm also fairly confident that the sophistification still needs to meet the needs of the lowest common denominator and as such, I believe that I would be able to circumvent a fair amount of things that the general population would not.

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    50. Re:ROFL by kheldan · · Score: 1

      ..no, I'm faily confident that you don't understand what they're suggesting, which is that no one would be allowed to access the Internet without a 'license', and any activity, no matter how you tried to hide it, would lead back to that 'license', and therefore your actual, legal identity. Things like your 'Freenet' and Tor would not be allowed, and attempting to use them or anything like them would be considered illegal activity, and at the very least your Internet license would be suspended or revoked, at worst there would be criminal charges. The Internet would become the penultimate 'walled garden', where all access is tightly controlled, censorship would become the rule, and no services that were not explicitly permitted by the government would be considered illegal and subject to immediate shutdown and seizure. But of course this isn't going to happen, not in Canada let alone the rest of the Internet. All the RCMP has done is reveal themselves to be incredible assholes who don't care about little things like 'freedom of speech/expression'.

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    51. Re:ROFL by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      ..no, I'm faily confident that you don't understand what they're suggesting, which is that no one would be allowed to access the Internet without a 'license', and any activity, no matter how you tried to hide it, would lead back to that 'license', and therefore your actual, legal identity.

      Explain what activity is the freenet project that leads back to your identity exactly.

      Things like your 'Freenet' and Tor would not be allowed

      Nothing mentioned says it wouldn't be allowed.

      Additionally, tell me how they would detect the Freenet project, please provide specifics. Tor is irrelevant where Freenet is concerned, it's not even similar in the slightest.

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    52. Re:ROFL by kheldan · · Score: 1

      You don't seem to understand the basics of the Internet: You have to have a basic connection to do ANYTHING. If they had their way and you had to have a 'license' to have that, they'd obviously be monitoring everything everyone is doing as well. Any encrypted traffic would be flagged and scrutinized. Inevitably they'd find a way to detect a pattern that would indicate usage of something like Tor or your 'Freenet', and the police would come knocking on your door with a warrant, sure that you're Up To No Good. Seriously, you people are not paranoid enough, and you need to take off the rose-colored glasses, and you need to stop thinking you're all smarter than everyone else, because you're not. If organizations like the RCMP got their way, there would be NO freedom-of-anything on the Internet.

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    53. Re:ROFL by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      In summary, you have an opinion with no factual backing. I don't care.

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    54. Re:ROFL by kheldan · · Score: 1

      ..no, in 'summary' you've been called out and embarassed by your lack of technical knowledge of the Internet, so you pretend that the whole thing doesn't matter and that nothing I presented has any merit, because your only other alternative is to kill yourself.

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    55. Re:ROFL by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      in 'summary' you've been called out and embarassed by your lack of technical knowledge of the Internet

      Says the person that won't provide technical information on what activity would they detect in the freenet project that leads back to your identity exactly.

      And your argument is some random non-sense about how Freenet is suddenly illegal with said system, however it isn't. Tracability of a connection doesn't mean anything in this scenario. You claim detecting of 'encrypted traffic', but true encrypted traffic is indistinguishable from binary data and with Freenet's use of steganography, how exactly are you detecting it?

      The fact you compare Freenet to Tor shows how little you even know about how and what Freenet is. Freenet is not an anonymizing proxy and doesn't provide any sort of Internet connectivity like Tor.

      you pretend that the whole thing doesn't matter and that nothing I presented has any merit

      Why should I be bothered to explain any particulars in response to you when you can't be bothered to do the same?

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  2. hah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and so it begins ...

  3. Submit the request! by statusbar · · Score: 1

    They need to submit their request to the International Internet Board of Governors!

    --jeffk++

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    1. Re:Submit the request! by afidel · · Score: 2

      Within a country it's easy to accomplish, all you do is require all ISPs offering service within the country to require it, and if you tie the license to an x.500 cert and use 802.1x at all end user access points then you can effectively require that users within that country are not anonymous. The downfall of the plan is that it's the Internet, a connection of networks ruled only by the protocols that are used to establish communications, so if you expect to be able to track an IP in Moscow to an individual, good luck with that unless you work for the FSB.

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    2. Re:Submit the request! by statusbar · · Score: 1

      Thanks! That would be a fun experiment to see how much businesses would be affected. Can you even put 802.1x in the wireless access points and cell phones?

      --jeffk++

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    3. Re:Submit the request! by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      Exactly. People who come up with these ideas have no concept of the technology of how the internet works. To enforce a license for accessing the internet, they would need to circumvent all the secure methods of communication between individuals on the internet. You either have to block all traffic that you don't understand, or people are going to be able to trivially communicate anonymously over the internet. Any time I connect via SSH to my hosting service, connecting to a VPN, or making an HTTPS connection to any website, I could be communicating anonymously with anybody else on the internet. The protocols are secure, and they can't tell who I'm talking to. The messages sent to the server I'm talking to could be forwarded on to anywhere else in the world.

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    4. Re:Submit the request! by afidel · · Score: 1

      We use 802.1x on WiFi, in fact that's the most secure method as it provides for mutual authentication between client and AP. Cellphones are easy since the SIM standard already allows for secure digital certificate storage.

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    5. Re:Submit the request! by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      I thought they needed to submit it to the Elders of the Internet. They can be reached in their offices atop Big Ben where they currently guard The Internet. (No, they won't lend it out to you. The last time they did that, it didn't work out so well.)

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    6. Re:Submit the request! by lgw · · Score: 1

      You either have to block all traffic that you don't understand

      Which would, in fact, be quite easy to do. As long as you have to connect through a government proxy whose cert authority you must accept, people can have the illusion of safe online banking and no anonymous traffic (or any traffic not understood, for that matter) need be allowed.

      That's the thing about government: it you grant it the legal power to fuck you, technology won't protect you for long. A government with the power to give you everything you want has the power to take everything it wants.

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    7. Re:Submit the request! by BradMajors · · Score: 1

      Every ISP provider I know in the United States runs a credit check on you when you sign up for service. So, your ISP does know with a high degree of certainty who you are.

    8. Re:Submit the request! by statusbar · · Score: 1

      But that would be authentication between the client and AP.. How would 802.1x on WIFI work when rcmp.gc.ca is the server that has to authenticate the client?

      --jeffk++

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    9. Re:Submit the request! by statusbar · · Score: 1

      Additional thought: I wonder if the police would be requesting their own members to be anonymous on the internet?

      --jeffk++

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  4. Finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Helpdesk has been recommending this for years. It will end all the dumb questions, right?

  5. Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This tends to be the first go-to solution for non-technical people trying to wrap their head around the issue.

    The reality of course is this is more or less impossible, or at least very impractical to implement even if it was a good idea.

    Eventually you would pretty much have to be to outlaw encryption. If you can make an encrypted connection to a box outside of their juristiction, you can now be anonymous.

    Hopefully this goes nowhere, however the big problem as I see it is that the people making decisions which will profoundly shape how we use technology know very little about the workings or reality of said technology. With enough political pressure to "do something", we might see some kind of terrible laws come out of this. I actually won't be surprised when tor and similar are made illegal under some kind of protect the children law.

    1. Re:Meh by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      You also need to make Ma and Pa Clueless more or less bulletproof somehow.

      The state of security for assorted online services is so dreadful now that much of the defense that a lot of users have likely comes from being essentially worthless, rather than from being difficult to crack.

      In the event that anonymity is forbidden, there will be quite a rush to pick up the previously worthless accounts of hapless users to do all your more nefarious communicating through.

    2. Re:Meh by The+Ickle+Jones · · Score: 1

      Hopefully this goes nowhere, however the big problem as I see it is that the people making decisions which will profoundly shape how we use technology know very little about the workings or reality of said technology.

      More importantly, they seem to want to violate the very rights they're supposed to leave alone. If they were merely ignorant of technology, we'd be in a much better situation.

    3. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What will happen is that it becomes a cat and mouse game. Outlawing anonyminity would mean outlawing VPNs. This is easily doable with BlueCoat and a few checkbox clicks. What will happen next is that MAC address faking and using open Wi-Fi spots will become common. Most have no direction finding ability, so there would have to be cameras everywhere there is Wi-Fi to find out who decided to fake stuff online.

      My fear is a "Warhol event". Some intrusion that does immense damage. Some may call it a cyber-9/11, but I use the term for this before 2001 to avoid cliches. In the following days, there would be laws passed, none that would actually mitigate the problem... but laws mandating registration (like South Korean sites require), mandatory DRM stacks, a mandatory program that works like an AV program but is for detecting "criminal" programs like debuggers and sending the nearest police MRAP that computer's way if anything is detected, mandatory GPS chips (where computers/devices are locked to regions like counties or states, and report constantly back), mandatory watermarking in order for a computer or device to play media (be it eBooks, websites, videos or music), backdoors (which immediately get found and exploited by bad guys), and Draconian punishments for people doing something simple as firing up Handbrake, VLC, or gdb.

      It wouldn't take much to push laws like this out. Of course, enforcement would be selective and require trillions of dollars, similar to previous Prohibitions.

      This wouldn't even take a law. It would just take a treaty, which short-circuits half of Congress, and treaties supersede the US Constitution (yes, the DMCA trumps the 1A.)

    4. Re:Meh by BradMajors · · Score: 2

      No. VPN hides the contents of your messages. VPN does not hid your identity nor hides the fact that you are using VPN.

  6. Licenses That Are Missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    1) License to speak in public
    2) License to read a specific book
    3) License to speak to a specific person

    1. Re:Licenses That Are Missing by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      4) A Cat license.
      5) A license for my pet fish, Eric.

    2. Re:Licenses That Are Missing by psicop · · Score: 0

      4) License to speak to a specific person, in public, about a specific book.

    3. Re:Licenses That Are Missing by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      4. License to be a politician.
      5. License to procreate.

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    4. Re:Licenses That Are Missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4) License to have children.

    5. Re:Licenses That Are Missing by MindPrison · · Score: 1

      4) License to have children.

      Considering all the junkies, meth heads and such in the world...that actually makes sense.

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    6. Re:Licenses That Are Missing by sinij · · Score: 1

      >>>4) A Cat license.

      While there is no cat license, there is freedom-oppressing limitation of only 7 adult cats per household!

    7. Re: Licenses That Are Missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do not forget the most important of all! 0) license to be stupid

    8. Re:Licenses That Are Missing by lgw · · Score: 1

      Sure, once you decide you're smarter than the peasants and you're doing it for their own good, everything makes sense. It's where most totalitarian governments spring from.

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    9. Re:Licenses That Are Missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      4) A Cat license. .

      Just use a dog license with the word "dog" crossed out and "cat" written in, in crayon.

    10. Re:Licenses That Are Missing by ahodgson · · Score: 1

      Like all such proposals, it makes sense only until you realize that the people enforcing these rules will be government bureaucrats ruled by politicians, aka human beings, who will selectively enforce, abuse, bend and break the rules whenever they feel like it for personal gain, financial gain, political gain or just because they screw up.

    11. Re:Licenses That Are Missing by spartacus_prime · · Score: 1

      How'd you know my name was Eric?

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    12. Re:Licenses That Are Missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You might be an authoritarian if....

    13. Re:Licenses That Are Missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In some cities, e.g., Renfrew, Ontario, you are required to have a cat license for each of your cats if you live in subsidised housing.

    14. Re:Licenses That Are Missing by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      While there is no cat license, there is freedom-oppressing limitation of only 7 adult cats per household!

      Yes, there is a cat license. I got one for my pet cat Eric from the man in the cat detector van from the Ministry of Housinge.

    15. Re:Licenses That Are Missing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, you can argue that we should enforce a minimum IQ score for reproduction to avoid causing evolution to fail, but any criteria like an IQ score is imperfect and the process would be corrupted by poltiical and monetary interests.

    16. Re:Licenses That Are Missing by nickol · · Score: 1

      4) License to make anonymous postings. Requires exam and health control.

  7. Answer should be no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You already have laws on the books to cover everything. Go do the job your paid to!

  8. Go to North Korea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's buy them one way tickets to North Korea. There is no anonymity there and great benefits: they can shoot people all day long.

  9. The OPP are naughty by nature. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and I am not down with them.

    Capcha: unclean.

  10. Let Me Just Get My Mail License by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You know, the license we've needed for 200 years? The one that lets you anonymously send mail? Oh that doesn't exist? And people coped with this new technology? Even when it was used to deliver literal bombs? But of course we need one for the internet!

    1. Re:Let Me Just Get My Mail License by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, the license we've needed for 200 years? The one that lets you anonymously send mail? Oh that doesn't exist? And people coped with this new technology? Even when it was used to deliver literal bombs? But of course we need one for the internet!

      On the internet, you can be delivered a Goatse bomb. That must be stopped!

    2. Re:Let Me Just Get My Mail License by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Inappropriate analogy. Mailing your attack orders to your agents in the field would take days, more internationally. Sending them by email takes milliseconds. Investigative grunt work takes too long for the "digital age"; The orders are sent, received, actioned, and cleaned up before the authorities are even aware something is happening.
       
      Monitoring social networks, though, is just silly. There's far too much noise. Plus, breaking encryption? Pull the other one. Break encryption on the internet and you break the whole thing; All online business (inter- and intra-business communications and trading, not end consumer commerce) would halt or be pushed onto darknets / private netowrks, and those are the people who pay for the bandwidth that allow Tier 1 ISPs to connect the world together.
       
      It's just not going to work. At all.

  11. In other words by bravecanadian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The police find it hard to investigate and want an ez-pass.

    1. Re:In other words by west · · Score: 1

      Precisely. People might like anonymity, but they complain mightily when the cops tell them "sorry, there's nothing we can do" even as your identity is being openly sold on the Internet.

      So, it's only natural that the police forces push for regulation to make their job easier. After all, I push for things to make my job easier as well.

      However, while such a push is natural, it is also to be opposed. I don't expect the police to carefully weigh the pros and cons of measures to attack crime, after all, that's not their job.

      I do, however, expect politicians to do so, as that *is* their job.

      I'll start worrying about this when I see politicians taking this seriously. And at that point, I'll start applying what pressure I can. After all, it's the politicians that are elected to represent my will, not the police.

    2. Re:In other words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For part of this I can understand this recommendation. After all as a police department, the OPP are law-and-order types and anonymity makes their lives more difficult.

      Once you get beyond that however, this statement is startlingly naïve. What, are they unaware of repressive regimes in the world? That anonymity is a requirement for free speech in many countries? And how about the blazingly stupid recommendation for a license? A license?? So that the other internet users don't have to fear the unlicensed drivers on the internet? You know those unlicensed words, they might collide with the words of an upstanding citizen! Can't have that!

      So I give this recommendation a life expectation of one day. Just long enough to ridicule thoroughly, make the presenters reconsider their position (or career), and then people can return to their smartphones. You know, the ones with all those dangerous unlicensed internet connections.

  12. Reading comprehension check by Calavar · · Score: 4, Informative

    TFS said it was the Ontario Provincial Police that gave the recommendation, not the RCMP.

    1. Re:Reading comprehension check by Phics · · Score: 1

      That said, the fact that it was the OPP rather than the RCMP makes it even less likely this will fly on a Federal level.

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    2. Re:Reading comprehension check by Matheus · · Score: 1

      It can fly or not fly on the federal level in Canada... that will have no bearing on the rest of the world NOR is it practically feasible.

      blah blah blah being a cop is hard make it easier blah blah blah...

    3. Re:Reading comprehension check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "What did you use to do?" "We worked for a living. This neo-facist shit makes me sick to my stomach."

    4. Re:Reading comprehension check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking as someone who lives in Ontario: horse shit and dog shit are technically different, but you don't want to be spending time with either one.

    5. Re:Reading comprehension check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoever these idiots are, let them lead the way by posting all their real, private details for us all to enjoy. Just like that clueless fucker Vic Toews, post it up and let the consequences happen. The fucking RCMP morons who detest privacy (for others) don't deserve any themselves.

    6. Re:Reading comprehension check by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      Under-rated -- even if it gets to 5.

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    7. Re:Reading comprehension check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll have to use that any time some fat, white, christian moron tries to tell me their religion is better than islam.

    8. Re:Reading comprehension check by Prune · · Score: 0

      This was the Ontario police, not the RCMP, and Ontario is governed by the Liberals. So, Vic and the other federal Conservatives have nothing to do with this. I bet you're not about to correct yourself and redirect your hate speech to your beloved Liberals, because, after all, you feel no shame in holding a double standard, amirite?

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    9. Re:Reading comprehension check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TFS said it was the Ontario Provincial Police that gave the recommendation, not the RCMP.

      Irrelevant. There's some association of chiefs of police that gets together every year, and they invariably come out with some ridiculously overblown draconian recommendation, every single time. It seems all cops are like this everywhere these days. They appear to believe they're the only ones with dangerous jobs and that theirs is the most dangerous job. They're also militarizing just as fast as US cops are.

      Want to pull a bank job? Go to a small town and pay a couple of rummies to start a fight. In minutes, every police vehicle in town will be all over them. Now rob the bank on the other side of town.

  13. I have a better idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's a better use of resources:

    1) Dig a really really big hole.
    2) Fill it with taxpayer money.
    3) Rest will after accomplishing exactly as much as the OPP is proposing.

  14. Yet again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yet again we have governments who don't realize there is a low-effort workaround to almost any scheme like this.

    You can dream guys, but programmers beat legislators every time.

  15. Clueless by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    Next thing you know, they'll try to legally enforce the evil bit.

  16. Tsk tsk. by blueshift_1 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I feel like the drivers and marriage licenses are not that relevant here. A drivers license is mainly used to show that are at least reasonably competant drivers (though we all know that doesn't mean that much) and a marriage license is more of a way to formalize the legal agreement so that you can file taxes and whatnot as married. The internet is a tool of communication and you can definitely use a pay phone, send a letter, or even buy cellphone without a license of any sort. Just have the cash and pay for the service. Just looking for the easy button on determining who did what on the internet.

    and on a side note, the US uses marriage licenses/laws (in some states) to limit who can get it. Imagine the damage this could cause with the government limited who could use the internet... like dangling fruit over our head to make sure were good little kiddies and never did anything bad on the net.

    1. Re:Tsk tsk. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And at least in the U.S. a marriage license is NOT needed. Just live together for a bit and the law treats you as married. We call it "common law" marriage. I am surprised the Canadians don't have this, since I think it's descended from our common British ancestors... I am betting Canadians DO have common law no-license marriage, but law enforcement is ignorant of the law, just as they are ignorant of how to protect rights without violating them. Canadian law enforcement seems no smarter than American law enforcement. I'm starting to wonder if a job in law enforcement makes you inherently ignorant of the law and inclined to make stupid comments publicly... Just like our U.S. Attorney clowns who complained that Apple phones are more secure now than they used to be. (more encryption ... but what about the children! lol)

  17. Luckily most of Canada ignores Ontario by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And, for that matter, Communication is a Federal responsibility under the Canadian Constitution, which has strong privacy rights that the Ontario Police and the PM hate.

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  18. Strongly endorse by gurps_npc · · Score: 4, Funny
    So, the cops - an organization that's job is in large part to identify criminals - endorse finding out people's names.

    Similarly, I strongly endorse the idea of supermodels having sex with me.

    I think that both of have just as much right to expect the laws to change to suit our desires.

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  19. Re:ROFL or OPP by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm down with OPP.
    You know what I mean.
    They're the Blue Law Cops from the land of noughts.
    And they need cartoon instructions to pee.

    Eh?

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  20. And... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the freedom hating British to steal this idea in three, two...

  21. Anonymity On the Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Due to the basic design of the Internet (and other means of communication) there is only the illusion of anonymity, privacy or security on the Internet, the world's greatest and easiest spy machine (aka hacker-breeding-insecurity nirvana) facilitated by user-funded RFID-chipped personal devices toted everywhere all the time to report on exactly what who when where and how citizen-gawkers-hawkers are deliriously fingering their Venn diagram of interests into the gaping maw of aggregators (aka data thieves and their credentialled-trustworthy fronts) fattening the spy contractors' paranoia."
    http://cryptome.org/2012/03/derek-moore-venn.htm

  22. How about the other way around? by mi · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Noting the need for drivers licenses to drive

    Driver's Licenses are an outrage of its own. Somehow somewhere an opinion crept up, that driving is not a right to be taken away from the bad by the Judiciary, but a mere privilege to be granted to the good by the Executive — who, consequently, can also withdraw it without bothering with the pesky judges for any reason (such as not paying child support)... You should be able to drive anonymously — until you break a driving law — just as you can walk anonymously on a publicly-maintained sidewalk and look at a publicly-powered traffic-light without a license.

    or marriage licenses to get married

    Marriage gives couples certain additional privileges — above the unmarried couples having sex. The exact perks vary by locale, but they are there. Perhaps, all such perks should be abolished altogether — I'd be in favor of striking away all laws with the word "spouse" in it, although the society may still reward couples raising children together — but until they are abolished, asking for names of people applying for those privileges is Ok...

    Now, licensing Internet-usage would also turn it from a right into a privilege — and that can not be allowed, however much the Statists would like to see that happen.

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    1. Re: How about the other way around? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Driving is a right? Pull the other one. Being in charge of a machine weighing a ton, travelling at speeds of tens of miles per hour, potentially carrying other people, on the public highway in close proximity to pedestrians, other vehicles and people's houses is definitely an activity which needs training and testing to an agreed standard. Requiring drivers to hold a license before participating in that activity is a perfectly reasonable harm reduction strategy. Car drivers are responsible for too many deaths as it is, and you want to remove any ability of society to put a lower bound on the competence of drivers?

      Libertard randroid fuckwit.

    2. Re: How about the other way around? by mi · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Driving is a right?

      Yes, it is. Also known as pursuit of happiness.

      Being in charge of a machine weighing a ton

      So what?.. Guns are quite dangerous too — and yet, keeping and bearing arms is likewise a right, according to the Constitution (even if frequently violated by Illiberals nation-wide).

      perfectly reasonable harm reduction strategy

      That may very well be true. But that's irrelevant. Allowing police to search without a warrant may also be a "perfectly reasonable harm-reduction strategy", for example. Mandatory carrying of identification is also "harm-reducing".

      Car drivers are responsible for too many deaths as it is

      Irrelevant.

      remove any ability of society to put a lower bound on the competence of drivers

      People are murdered by pedestrians quite often too — will you require license from pedestrians? How about the government's permission for leaving home?

      What would you not allow the government to limit — under the convenient pretext of "harm-reduction"?

      Libertard randroid fuckwit.

      Ah, an ad-hominem! How refreshing...

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    3. Re: How about the other way around? by Livius · · Score: 1

      Those are not rights in civilized countries, and Canada is one of them.

    4. Re: How about the other way around? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suggest you read "The Orphaned Right: The Right To Travel By Automobile 1890-1950" by Roger Roots.

    5. Re: How about the other way around? by The+Last+Gunslinger · · Score: 0

      You're missing his point entirely, as well as displaying a fundamental lack of understanding as to what constitutes a right.

      Rights are inherent to people, irrespective of what geographic location they may be born or reside in. They exist innately within the person. It's a simple concept, yet one that many statists have a difficult time comprehending.

      Perhaps what you meant to say is that "those are not rights respected or protected by the government of Canada." Nevertheless, they are rights.

    6. Re: How about the other way around? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Driving is a right?

      Yes, it is. Also known as pursuit of happiness.

      You don't have a right to "pursuit of happiness". The concept is too vague and would if applied make all laws impossible to enforce as you can argue any action is taken in the pursuit of happiness, and therefore protected.

      Also the mention of the pursuit of happiness is the Declaration of Independence. It doesn't appear in the US Constitution, and even if it did this article is about Canada not the US.

    7. Re: How about the other way around? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you mean nanny-states instead of "civilized".

    8. Re: How about the other way around? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why are some people so eager to put a collar and leash around their necks? It's a good attribute for a well-trained dog, but not for an intelligent ape.

    9. Re:How about the other way around? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Driving is a right according to quite a bit of common law as well as early statute law. One of the 1st laws after the Magna Carta clarifies the free right to travel. King George III's high way laws were passed nearly verbatim by the Continental Congress and many states before there even was a USA. The rest of the Commonwealth (including Hawaii) also inherited them or extended them as well.

      The 1st drivers licenses were transferable to other people.

    10. Re:How about the other way around? by msobkow · · Score: 1

      By that theory, you should be able to hop into a plane without any training and just fly wherever you want, too.

      You have the right to travel: on foot.

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    11. Re:How about the other way around? by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      You should be able to drive anonymously — until you break a driving law

      That is something I have never understood, how do citizens lose basic human/citizen rights? What does it matter if someone has jaywalked, should they lose their right to free speech?

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    12. Re:How about the other way around? by mi · · Score: 1

      By that theory, you should be able to hop into a plane without any training and just fly wherever you want, too.

      As a matter of fact, yes, that is true. If you have a plane, you can fly it. Wright brothers didn't have a pilot license...

      You have the right to travel: on foot.

      So, not even on a bicycle, huh? BTW, did you know, walking on a highway is illegal today — as is hitchhiking? And, of course, you are simply wrong...

      "The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived." Chicago Motor Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 221.

      "The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment." Kent v. Dulles, 357 US 116, 125.

      There are more citations, where the above came from...

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    13. Re:How about the other way around? by mi · · Score: 1

      That is something I have never understood, how do citizens lose basic human/citizen rights?

      There are rights-depriving punishments for a variety of crimes. The most obvious is being imprisoned — which is what you'll face for many offenses. Point was, you need to be judged by the Judiciary before you lose those rights. But, if it is a mere privilege, then the Executive can withdraw (or not renew) it without having to prove anything first.

      What does it matter if someone has jaywalked, should they lose their right to free speech?

      No, you usually retain all rights despite jaywalking. More serious law-breaking may put you in prison, where your rights will be severely restricted — while you are there... And some crimes — those of sexual nature, for example — may reduce your rights even after you get out (perhaps, unconstitutionally).

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    14. Re: How about the other way around? by mi · · Score: 1

      You don't have a right to "pursuit of happiness".

      I do — just because I am a human being. Most likely, you do too:

      We hold these truths to be sacred & undeniable; that all men are created equal & independent, that from that equal creation they derive rights inherent & inalienable, among which are the preservation of life, & liberty, & the pursuit of happiness

      The concept is too vague and would if applied make all laws impossible to enforce as you can argue any action is taken in the pursuit of happiness, and therefore protected.

      Wrong. It is very easy to understand — my right to such a pursuit is limited by other people's pursuit of same.

      But you are partially right: some laws — those prohibiting various victimless crimes — such as prostitution or, indeed, driving without a license, would be abolished under my doctrine. And that'll be a very good thing indeed.

      this article is about Canada not the US.

      The right is inherent in human beings — it predates and transcends nations. Do Canadians have right to life and liberty?

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    15. Re: How about the other way around? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      In the first place, the Declaration of Independence is not any form of law. It should be taken as inspirational, not normative. As an example, all states in the US deprive certain people of liberty, and some deprive certain people of life.

      In the second place, you can pursue happiness despite restrictions. You had better be able to, because there are restrictions on your actions for the benefit of other people. You specifically do not have to pursue happiness in an automobile.

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    16. Re: How about the other way around? by mi · · Score: 1

      It should be taken as inspirational, not normative

      Distinction without a difference — in this case.

      Everything is legal — unless it deprives somebody else of their liberty somehow. As, for example, a robbery would.

      As an example, all states in the US deprive certain people of liberty, and some deprive certain people of life.

      Of course! But only upon the Judiciary's decision — that's my whole point. Because life and liberty are rights, the Executive can not deprive you of it — not without Judiciary's approval. But, having made driving a mere privilege, the Executive is now able to take it away on a whim...

      You specifically do not have to pursue happiness in an automobile.

      I don't have to, but if I choose to anyway, you can not stop me — unless I am infringing on somebody else's pursuit of happiness. And I am not.

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  23. The REAL issue here.. by MagickalMyst · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real issue has nothing to do with anonymity; it has to do with police being properly trained.

    Our society is degenerating to the point where the police are no longer the noble, chivalric knights that they were once intended to be. Proper police training is quite lacking and is on a continual downward slide, and many people no longer have respect for the boys in blue.

    Too many cops in Canada are racist, egotistical power-trippers with a badge and a gun.

    Law Enforcement should be more concerned with setting the right example by doing the right thing.

    Police are supposed to be there "to serve and protect society", although the last word is strangely omitted on the police cars.

    "To serve and protect" is ambiguous; it begs the question "who are you serving and what are you protecting?"

    It should be obvious, but modern police behaviour would suggest otherwise.

    Perhaps the first thing to do is to fix the writing on the wall, so to speak.

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    1. Re:The REAL issue here.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We also don't pay them enough.

      Realistically, the police should be a respected institution and being one should be an honor. They should be held to high standards of integrity and responsibility. And not in a bullshit buzzword bingo way. In a real, auditable, verifiable, peer reviewed way.

      Being a good police officer is hard work and they should be compensated as such. How can you expect them to protect the public when the public doesn't feel like dignifying them with a living wage?

      If you don't pay your cops, someone else will. Like the mafia.

    2. Re:The REAL issue here.. by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      This is an INCOMPLETE list of characteristics which disqualify people from becoming cops in Ontario:

          - you have ever committed a crime (smoking weed counts)

          - you have an above-average IQ (one standard deviation or so)

      These are both true... yes, the second one also. Do people really need to wonder why police seem so mindbogglingly incompetent when it comes to technology?

      Well I hate to break it to you, but you can become a cop if you've committed a crime. That includes smoking weed, having sat in on several police interviews what they're looking for is honesty. Oh and the vast majority of people that are "picked out of the pile" for policing these days are university graduates with at least 4 years, preferably with a BA or equal level degree.

      So guess what we have? A whole pile of cops, that are university students, have never lived on their own, have no street smarts, and fail to grasp the difference between the various issues. In Ontario, about 60% of the people hired by services are university grads, 20% are college grads, the other 20% have highschool only. The "highschool only" ones seem to be the more moderate out of all of them.

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    3. Re:The REAL issue here.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about cops in Canada, but many US police are paid very well.

      And no, they don't have to face death every day. I'd love to be a cop in my town. Low cost of living, low crime (about 1-2 murders per year) and they are paid very well.

  24. 5. License to have a baby by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clearly his parents didn't fiile for theirs. It would have been denied.

  25. Too much red tape for police? by Trachman · · Score: 1

    In order to get information on specific request, police now needs to submit requests, fill paperwork, get approvals. Too much red tape! Police also wants easy access to all the data.

    When police does get data using "black channels", they need to waste time to find (or make up) some sort of flaws or errors so that to present that flaw as a reason why data was identified and collected to begin with. It is just damn too complicated. More importantly, even police officers need to go through dozens of all kind of certifications, because only certified specialists can handle the evidence.

    For example, police officers have to go through period "trainings" to use radar and alcohol tester. Using computer will also need to be certified, because a good attorney can defend in court that the data was not handled by certified specialist.

    Internet ID, fortified with fingerprinting, face and eye retina scan will surely make CRMP work easier and would reduce administrative burden, eh?

  26. Idiotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only people that don't understand human behaviour, have no concept of history, and who are ignorant of the technology would make such an idiotic suggestion.

  27. Practical Internet Guide to Power Retention by dwheeler · · Score: 1

    I recommend the following listening/reading: The Dictator's Practical Internet Guide to Power Retention.

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  28. Probably going to happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Ontario Liberals have a majority here. The crazy shit is already happening: Bars can't have patrons smoke outdoors at all anymore, for example. Shortly speed limits will be reduced Ontariowide to 40 km/h if there's no signage (was 50 km/h). Of course, we already know that having people smoke in the snow didn't stop them smoking, so having them smoke in the snow on the sidewalk won't do shit. And we know that the number you write on a speed limit sign is only followed by drivers who conscientious enough to follow the law, thus meaning it has no effect on reckless drivers. But hey, it's all feel good, save the children (from smoking, from speeders, and now from the internet).

    Isn't government great!? Keep on voting and let me know how that's working out for you.

    1. Re:Probably going to happen by Imazalil · · Score: 0

      You know, getting rid of smoking from patios is great. BC's had it for a few years and its fine, apocalypse didn't happen and people adjusted.

      It's not about getting you to stop smoking, it's about other people, including staff, not inhaling your second hand sh*t.

    2. Re:Probably going to happen by davecb · · Score: 1

      The OPP doesn't listen to the Ontario government. It listens to it's leaders, like Julian Fantino, now a minister in the Federal government that very much disagrees with the Courts about people having rights.

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  29. OPP are idiots. by o_ferguson · · Score: 1

    When I was in highschool I spent a summer as a student trainee for the OPP. They knew pretty much nothing about computers and the internet - my main task that summer was helping the Staff Sargent install pirate software on his home computer and his computer in the detachment. This was before it was really feasible to DL pirate software online (whole detachment was on a dial up connection - we were about 2 hours north of Toronto) so he would drive to Toronto's China Town and buy CD-Roms full of pirate apps then bring them back and get me to install them for him. Ever since, I've given no fucks about pirating as much of whatever I want. I figure, if it's good enough for the OPP, it's good enough for me.

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  30. Well, Canada and China agree on something. by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    Good work Canadian police. You're now in favor policies advocated by every police state on the planet.

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  31. Licensed Criminals by tommyatomic · · Score: 1

    Why aren't these clearly genius level Law Enforcement Professionals making the far more reasonable request that the government require anyone intending to commit a crime in the near and/or far future to apply-for and obtain a licence to commit crime?

    Criminals can anonymously (you cant make it too easy) submit something akin to a flight plan prior to committing a crime (otherwise how else will police be able to pursue victim-less crimes) and after a crime occurs police can call all the licensed criminals in the vicinity of crime to ask if they were the perpetrator.

    1. Re:Licensed Criminals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why aren't these clearly genius level Law Enforcement Professionals making the far more reasonable request that the government require anyone intending to commit a crime in the near and/or far future to apply-for and obtain a licence to commit crime?

      They do. It's called signing up for Police Academy.

  32. The REAL issue here.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is an INCOMPLETE list of characteristics which disqualify people from becoming cops in Ontario:

      - you have ever committed a crime (smoking weed counts)

      - you have an above-average IQ (one standard deviation or so)

    These are both true... yes, the second one also. Do people really need to wonder why police seem so mindbogglingly incompetent when it comes to technology?

  33. Umm, no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Separately, in the US anonymity and privacy need to be added to the Bill of Rights.

    1. Re:Umm, no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      66 Separately, in the US anonymity and privacy need to be added to the Bill of Rights. 99

      Privacy in decisions involving sexual activity is fully protected...Roe v. Wade. Every woman has a federal territory between her legs that is off-limits to the states. The rest of her body is subject to the laws of the states. Every uterus is a District of Columbia.

      So, the next time you have the urge, think of it as this: "Let my shove my meat flute into her (202)--[FOOMP!]"

      Will my sperm need passports?

  34. Rabid Attack Dogs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They can already track everything they need when there's a crime.
    The only use of this move would be against Dissent.

    Let us never remember that rampant paranoia is their job, and so others must hold the leash tightly.

  35. Of course they would by kruach+aum · · Score: 1

    It would make their job vastly easier, and it would only cost us our privacy. Why work hard when you can strip us of our rights to work easy?

  36. I recommend.... by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That the home addresses and phone numbers of all Canadian police be published.

    They would only be against that if they have something to hide.

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  37. Cross province check points by future+assassin · · Score: 2

    You enter a website that is hosted in Alberta and you get a popup asking

    Papers Please, Comrade Eh!

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  38. Parenthood by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    "You know, Mrs. Buckman, you need a license to buy a dog, or drive a car. Hell, you need a license to catch a fish! But they'll let any butt-reaming asshole be a father."

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    1. Re:Parenthood by RandomAdam · · Score: 1

      To be fair I don't think "butt-reaming" will result in being a father.

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  39. Canada should be banned from Earth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Canada is a cancer and should be shunned by earthlings.

  40. I'm Shocked! by NotSanguine · · Score: 1

    Shocked I tell you! The police want the ability to identify anyone, anywhere, should they turn their attention to them? I can't believe it! Are you sure this article didn't come from The Onion?

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  41. But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... drivers licenses to drive or marriage licenses ...

    A marriage is a monopoly that receives certain government protections (mostly to benefit the female) so it must be regulated. One doesn't have a right to road use so the government can enforce whatever restrictions it likes.

    But the internet provides the ability to buy and sell, to communicate, to associate, to protest: Activities which, in traditional form, receive protection from the government. It is important people are not denied these actions because they are now 'on the internet'.

    ... an Internet license ...

    How would one's identity be checked every time I log on? Such identification doesn't prevent crime; at best it forces criminals into identify theft or cracking authentication security.

    ... address online crime.

    Like bigamy or driving while drunk? Or perhaps he means things like fraud, inciting murder and rape, or other forms of cyber-bullying. Identity theft will happen so fraud will also happen. But how will the government punish the latter crimes? The police aren't demanding new laws for these crimes but nobody is being punished under current laws either. I suspect the lack of punishment is linked to a lack of political will. A lack of anonymity, meaning privacy, will not change that.

    1. Re: But by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How big is Amy ? Bigotry ?

  42. Reality Bites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's like asking everyone to tape their licenses to their foreheads...
    What's next, rice sized tracking devices...the type you implant into your pets?

    Like any of that is going to 'take a bite out of crime'...fucking fools!

  43. I agree so long as by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    we remove all forms of privacy. No more secret meetings. All police investigations must be public. All police communications must be public. All police activities must be public. All political meeting/events/communications as well. No more secrecy ALL must be public. All out in the open. When the Police want to go under cover they must inform all that they are undercover.

    Sounds good to me. It applies to all agencies as well. NSA, FBI, RCMP, OPP, IRS,....

  44. Analogies from elsewhere by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    Look at other parts of life, where do we require that someone cannot be anonymous (warning I am a Brit, things may differ where you are)

    If you publish something, eg a newspaper, a handbill, a poster (on a wall), these should all have the name of the publisher on them. This seems reasonable, you are saying things that many people will hear/read. If it is libelous then the person being defamed should be able to seek correction or sue you.

    If you sell something: the name of the seller should be known, so that if it is not as advertised the purchaser can seek redress.

    If you read a newspaper, handbill, wall poster then it is reasonable that you do so anonymously.

    If you buy your lunch or a new shirt, you do not need to say who you are. (Large purchases, maybe)

    If you talk to a friend in the street or on the train then you do not need to tell those around you or fellow passengers who you are.

    So: does this mean the loss of a/c on slashdot ? If you are libeled by an a/c what redress should you have (if any) ? These are the sorts of questions that should be debated. But the loss of privacy in everything - 'No', the loss of privacy in some situations 'Yes'.

    Note that you not liking something that someone says is not the same thing as being libelous - if you really smell, get a bath don't sue me for saying so!

  45. And then there's the hypocrites... by Cruciform · · Score: 1

    I know someone who is rabidly anti-privacy and calls anyone who disagrees with him 'deluded wingnuts' and other less savory terms.
    He thinks the government should have full access to you all the time to "stop crime".

    Yet he posts videos on YouTube with his face blurred out and his voice altered so he doesn't get fired from jobs.
    It's okay for HIM to have privacy, but he doesn't believe anyone else should have it.

    1. Re:And then there's the hypocrites... by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      He thinks the government should have full access to you all the time to "stop crime".

      Yet he posts videos on YouTube with his face blurred out and his voice altered so he doesn't get fired from jobs.
      It's okay for HIM to have privacy, but he doesn't believe anyone else should have it.

      Based on what you told us, his argument was that the government should have access, specifically to stop crime. Not corporations or other government entities (ie: his work). So, this doesn't seem hypocritical or a conflict of interests.

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  46. Oh Canada... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    God keep our land glorious and free!

  47. There is a case to be made by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

    Just think of all the death threats and so on we wouldn't have to deal with without anonymity. And of course all the other sorts of attacks. The problem is, 'no anonymity' depends on the government being completely trustworthy. Which of course it isn't, even in Canada. If this plan were enacted, its main use would no doubt be to suppress criticism of the police.

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  48. Buried the lede: SENATOR agrees by Maow · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Ontario Provincial Police was part of the law enforcement panel and was asked by Senator Tom McInnis, a Conservative Senator from Nova Scotia, about what other laws are needed to address cyberbullying.

    That's when Scott Naylor of the OPP gave the response outlined in TFS.

    Of course, the Ontario Provincial Police have little influence nation-wide.

    A Conservative senator, on the other hand, does.

    Naylor’s comment was approved by Senator McInnis, who stated that he “absolutely agreed” with the recommendation.

    Of course, the Supreme Court of Canada sides with anonymity on-line. But Senators and MPs have the ability to (attempt to) pass legislation that would attempt this lunatic idea.

    1. Re:Buried the lede: SENATOR agrees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear Canada. You might want to go do a doctor and get yourself checked out.

      We've come down with a real serious case of conservative stupid and it's probably really contagious. Think about who you sleep with next time.

      Love, the USA

    2. Re:Buried the lede: SENATOR agrees by davecb · · Score: 1

      The Minister agrees, too:(:-))

      The former head of the OPP at the time of the G8 in Toronto is Julian Fantino. He is now Minister of Veterans Affairs in the government that so objects to personal privacy, so I'm not surprised at the OPP position.

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    3. Re:Buried the lede: SENATOR agrees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoa there buddy! A Canadian senator has no ability whatsoever to introduce legislation. Canadian senators are appointed and the Senate only reviews legislation. The only possible outcomes of that review are Approved (99% of the time) or Denied (1%).

      Legislation in Canada cannot become law without Senate approval. However the Senate does not have much political legitimacy and denying approval in the Senate is rarely done as a result. Every Senator understands that if they get too ambitious, they won't be a Senator for long.

      Being a Canadian Senator is like being a member of an elite country club. You get respect, invited to excellent parties, and you are paid well. However if you make a scene you will shortly find yourself out the door and people stop returning your calls. So you don't make a scene because it's socially destructive to the gravy train.

  49. not the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The purpose of a drivers license is not identification but to indicate that the driver has enough skill and knowledge with regard to driving.

  50. If the shoe fits... by dskoll · · Score: 2

    I wonder how the OPP would react if they were required by law to stream video of all their officers' activities in real-time. Suddenly they'd like a little privacy and anonymity, thank you very much!

  51. C O R R U P T I O N ! by redelm · · Score: 1

    This looks like the OPP wanting to make their jobs easier. Guess what? Policing is not supposed to be an easy job and certainly not by short-cutting individual rights. Such short-cutting is a form of corruption -- doing something for their own benefit (better collar record).

    The cops need to get out of Timmy's and do some real police work tracking down perps. Not asking their jobs be made easier at everyone else's expense.

  52. Police support police state by russotto · · Score: 1

    Film at 11, after it goes through the Propaganda Minister's office for review.

  53. Re:Licenses That Are Missing - prevent Idiocracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    0) License to breed - IQ must be above 130 - others are chemically sterilized and turned into eunuchs.
    0a) License to be a cop, see License 0
    0b) License to be in the government, see license 0
    0c) License to be a judge, see license 0.
    0d) License to be a lawyer, IQ must be above 250 (ie - no more lawyers)
    0e) License to be an Officer or NonCom in the military, see license 0, unless being used as bait

    Then we might actually have a decent chance of having a decent government when all the fucking retards are out of office and aren't allowed to breed.

  54. License to vote by Tokolosh · · Score: 1

    In the USA the same argument is made regarding showing identification to vote. Why not, you have to have an ID to drive, get on an airplane, etc., etc?

    The correct reasoning is that I don't need photo ID to vote, so I don't need ID to fly or to drive. (I can understand when you need to demonstrate competency if public may be put at risk.)

    This is why you should not disregard the tinfoil hat slippery-slopers.

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  55. bad analogy by stillpixel · · Score: 1

    Driving a car is not like posting on the internet.

    Posting on the Internet is like talking to people in a large room.

  56. Technical Issues Aside by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, let's have everyone's personal opinions and interactions completely searchable and freely visible to anyone online. What could possibly go wrong.

  57. Make LE jobs easier, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    here we go again.. 99 people have got to give up a legal, ethical and moral right to privacy because of one dickhead, one moron, one arshole or one bad apple [user]. A multitude of anonymous comments can be said to have to be said without mattering who authored them just to raise certain points or level of awareness on a plethora of issues, and maybe points only deemed important to the commentor who wishes to remain anonymous and who should be able to remain anonymous in this context.

    Internet anonymity is crucial in a free society for the protection of free speech without the fear of reprisal by powerful authoritarian positions deciding to crush those commentors at the source for whatever reason or agenda.

    This is where Canada law and many will part ways. We do not live in ancient Roman times and Nazi Germany did not win the war. How many good souls have fought to the death so that we could live in a free world? If you want to live under that type of repression in modern times, try forcing Islam on everyone or make that move to North Korea.

    1. Re:Make LE jobs easier, but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      here we go again.. 99 people have got to give up a legal, ethical and moral right to privacy because of one dickhead, one moron, one arshole or one bad apple [user].

      They actually don't, because this is not really going to happen. Nobody's passing a law here, this is just a couple of idiots with no legislative power saying "hey we should do this".

  58. IDIOTS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nuf said

  59. People need to realize that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Canada does not have the same level of protecting fundamental rights because it is founded on different principles. the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms has that "notwithstanding clause". It is totally different from the American concept of "carefully carved exceptions" to the First Amendment. For example, in the USA, speech is not restrained unless it "incites immanent lawless violence" which in layman's terms means "more prepared to cause harm than the police are capable of responding". In Canada, if the speech itself has the quality of incitement without actual incitement to action, it is a violation of law.

    The problem is that the police have become a brotherhood worldwide. That means the gendarmes from nations that do not recognized human rights get to fraternize with the our local doughnut munchers here in North America. From time to time, the police here in North America need to be periodically briefed on atrocities that their brotherhood overseas commit. The mindset that leads to brutality committed by their compatriots over there has absolutely NO business crossing the oceans the come here.

  60. Oh and a new form of government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Called faschisam not to be confused with fascism. We will only implement the good parts promises a giggling spokesperson for the law enforcement agencies

  61. I'm not your friend, buddy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Canadian Supreme Court must be run by Beelzeboot.

  62. cookie irony by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 1

    When I pointed my browser at that story about net anonymity, michaelgeist.ca tried to set about 20 cookies in my browser. Kinda ironic, huh Ren? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

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  63. This is why we don't let police make laws by davydagger · · Score: 1

    This is a clear cut case for seperation and balance of power and why its a good thing police are unable to make laws, and should not be left to govern policy.

  64. End something that doesn't exist? by superstition222 · · Score: 1

    Fascinating. Let's end something that doesn't exist in the first place.

  65. flawed analogy by j2.718ff · · Score: 1

    You don't need a library card to go to a library and read. Additionally, you can go to a bookstore (I think some still exist) and buy any book you'd like without revealing your identity.

  66. Statists gonna State. by The+Last+Gunslinger · · Score: 1

    Who else is shocked? Anyone? Bueller?

  67. Be vigilant about their attempt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sneaky underhanded public-private partnerships are creating loopholes to invade privacy.

  68. The court upheld search warrants not anonymity by RandCraw · · Score: 1

    If you read the court case mentioned, the supreme court ruled that a search warrant was required before police could access the defendant's computer, which they did not do.

    Anonymity was tangential to the case at best.

  69. Re:ROFL (privacy in Cdn Constitution) by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    More to the point, it was made by somebody who didn't realize that the supreme court's already ruled that we've got a right to anonymity.

    Well, Ontario has always been behind the times. They still think it's the 80s there.

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  70. Right.... by MitchDev · · Score: 1

    "Ontario Provincial Police" = Third Reich 2.0?

    1. Re:Right.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think more like Third Reich Beta.

      Maybe the source of communications should be attributable at least when unmasked by court order and due process to the ISP subscriber of record. This is my fear about technology like TOR. If we go to such extremes to achieve privacy that cannot by any means be unmasked, the mask of any privacy may be banned as a result. The idea of an internet license is horse shit and that is a non-starter. Maybe someone should explain to the OPP that most of the internet crime isn't sourced from Canada and the rest of the world doesn't give a fuck about Canadian law.

  71. Tough luck OPP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tough luck OPP. We need more internet freedom, not less. If I buy a cup of coffee, or ride a bike, or surf prOn, its my business, not yours. If your job is too tough, find another job. The reasons they call it a free country aren't because there is a cop peering into my business 24/7. If you want access to what I am doing, or what I was surfing last night, then you will need a valid reason, followed by a warrant, followed by a review from a judge. I won't curse at them or call them animal names, but even the suggestion is stupid, likely uttered by someone who omitted the phrase "now get off my damn lawn you whippersnappers!".

    Sincerely,
    Anonymous Coward esq.

  72. I recommend... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that the names, addresses and Geo-cords of all Canadian police officers be posted immediately on the Internet for public access.

    Surely nothing bad could come of that...

    1. Re:I recommend... by TWX · · Score: 1

      Honestly I don't think it would be as bad as one might think. Most people, including criminals, are not homicidal to begin with, so police officers and their families would be relatively bodily safe, and given the effort needed to case a home to verify no one is home in order to break in and vandalize or burglarize, it's unlikely that a police officer's home would be targeted for vandalism or theft either, over and above statistical average.

      If anything, if criminals are paying attention to where police officers live, the neighbors of cops might find less problems, as there's a possibility for a quicker response by calling a neighbor (ie, the cop) and more effort into an investigation relative to the importance of the crime, to appease the neighbor. Or it could come to nothing.

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  73. so Canada = Egypt, Iran, Pakistan, etc... by swschrad · · Score: 1

    guess we can call them Canuckistanis now, eh, because they are among the Internet deniers. I have a better idea. we remove Canada, Egypt, Iran, Pakinstan, et al from the Internet. let them send messages in a bottle.

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  74. In others words "Bend over and smile" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's scary the kind of suggestions and propositions these people in government make to make their lives easier,but yet asking the rest of us to take it up the ass with a smile on our face.We have become so paranoid and intolerant of our citizens and population,that at all costs we must implement restrictions here and there to oppress their rights to free speech,assembly and even our rights to privacy.

    We are all gonna be even more screwed if we allow these people to continue dictating their "brand" of freedom and perceived security in the name of democracy and patriotism.It's only going to end well for them,they wont be held up to the same standard,but the rest of us will live in a hell hole of our making for letting them brainwash us into accepting their hypocrissy filled bullcrap.

  75. Re:ROFL (privacy in Cdn Constitution) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They still think it's the 80s there.

    It is still the 80s everywhere. We are still living the Reagan/Thatcher nightmare. God help us all.

  76. Translation: by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

    "I'm not good at my job, it's too hard! Make it easier for me!"

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    rediculous.
  77. do the job by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    Seriously, I wish these police services would just stop whining and get on with their jobs. Frankly this is just another excuse to be lazy, they have plenty of powers under the law to demand warrants to uncover who people are. It is insulting for police to take this attitude that they don't have enough powers or are somehow impeded in performing their duties. I have a simple message:

    Get back to work.

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  78. An alternate suggestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suggest that the RCMP eat a d***.

  79. Religion by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    .

    I'll have to use that any time some fat, white, christian moron tries to tell me their religion is better than islam.

    ...or vice-versa.

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    1. Re:Religion by Prune · · Score: 2

      Regarding your signature, I've got (old) news for you: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence because Popperian epistemology won, and evidence's only utility is for falsification and cannot be used to argue for an increased probability a theory is correct. The issue was argued into the 90s by people like Elby, but the outcome was clear at least a decade earlier. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki...

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    2. Re:Religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah? How many fat white Islamists do you know?

  80. Re:ROFL (privacy in Cdn Constitution) by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    They still think it's the 80s there.

    It is still the 80s everywhere. We are still living the Reagan/Thatcher nightmare. God help us all.

    Not in Seattle. Or Vancouver BC.

    (for now)

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  81. All mandatory licensure is antithetical to liberty by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

    If ever you can be legally punished not because you did something that hurt or even endangered someone, but simply because you didn't ask permission first, liberty has one foot already in the grave.

    If someone with a license to do X does X and hurts or endangers somebody anyway despite their license, they get rightly punished for it anyway.

    If somebody with a license to do X does X and nobody gets hurt or endangered in any way, they don't get in trouble for anything, as they shouldn't.

    If somebody without a license to do X does X and hurts or endangers somebody, they get rightly punished for it too.

    But if somebody without a license to do X does X and nobody gets hurt or endangered in any way, they get punished, not for causing any harm or danger, but for having the gall not to ask permission before safely and harmlessly doing something.

    The only difference mandatory licensure ever makes is punishing people who wouldn't have been punished otherwise because they weren't doing anything harmful or dangerous. Mandatory licensure, of anything, only ever harms innocents, by punishing them for harmless behavior that they simply didn't ask permission for first.

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  82. Only One Response is Called for Here by Scarletdown · · Score: 1

    To the Ontario Provincial Police,

    You are hereby cordially invited to either: 1 - fuck off, 2 - bugger off, or 3 - piss off; whichever is the most commonly used expression in Canada.

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    1. Re:Only One Response is Called for Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To the Ontario Provincial Police,

      You are hereby cordially invited to either: 1 - fuck off, 2 - bugger off, or 3 - piss off; whichever is the most commonly used expression in Canada.

      Take off, you hosers!

  83. Cops in Jalapuramraja province recommend the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So really who cares what their "recommendation" is, it is after all not a surprise. As far as
    noteworthiness goes, a statement by the "Ottawa Provincial Police" carries as much
    weight in the US as one made by a few third world cops in sweaty uniforms.

    IS it enough for a bunch of shitheads to put out a "Press Release" and we have to drop
    everything and consider the crap they are spouting? This is America. Fuck Ottawa Police
    and their just as unimportant counterparts in "Jalapuramraja". God knows where that is
    for I just made that up considering how much of a non-issue this topic is.

  84. Alternate proposal: Require a clue... by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Require a clue about how technology works from any official that makes statements about the Internet. Fire those that di it without. That will curb the deeply disturbing trend we see and finally end bullshit spouted by police and other officials.

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  85. IPV6 will see to that by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

    When everyone has their own IP address they will no longer be anonymous. No more NATting etc. and you will be able to tell exactly who is who?

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  86. Marriage licence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So in Canada, you need a licence for a legal construct that is administered by the government in the first place?

  87. Two sides by mcvos · · Score: 1

    I can certainly understand the desire to do away with anonymity, particularly in light of crime, but also harassment, threats and doxxing that are plaguing some communities. But as usual, there's two sides to these kind of things. Not every government is equally benevolent, and dissidents and whistleblowers also need anonymity to be able to leak the information necessary to address the abuses by the powerful.

  88. Re:All mandatory licensure is antithetical to libe by mcvos · · Score: 1

    So you're against requiring a driver's license before you can drive a car?

    Sometimes the license isn't just about permission, but about showing you have mastered the skills necessary to do the thing without endangering anyone.

  89. Glad US not the only stupid country. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You do NOT need a marriage license to get married, you need a married license to get government benefits. You need stupid licenses only when dealing with the government. The government dose not run the internet. Liberals are so stupid, trying to control everything and everyone.

  90. I live in Ontario by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They cant even keep the highways Flowing properly and now they want to bung up our interwebs too??

    But Damn they are good at writing acident reports.

  91. Re:All mandatory licensure is antithetical to libe by Pfhorrest · · Score: 1

    I'm in favor of people learning how to drive before they do so, and of testing programs that certify that you do in fact know how to drive safely, and I'm fine with such certifications being used as defensive evidence if someone thought you were driving dangerously and charged you with such. You can show them that you've passed this test that shows you are able to do things like whatever you did safely. Not that that should make it an open-and-shut case, but it's good evidence. "It's ok, I know what I'm doing." Absence of such certification could likewise count against someone: change it from a mere one-time error of judgement to recklessly engaging in activities you have no competence in. But again, the absence of certification wouldn't make it open-and-shut, it's just a piece of evidence, and other factors can outweigh it.

    What I'm against is punishing someone who was, despite such certification, operating a vehicle in a safe manner anyway. That is what makes it a license and not just a certification: you're not allowed to (meaning you will be punished if you) do something, even if you do it safely, without someone's prior permission. Note well that requiring licensing doesn't actually preemptively stop people from driving without a license, it just punishes people who do; and it punishes them whether or not they were actually driving unsafely. The ones who were driving unsafely would have been rightly punished anyway even if they did have a license. So the mandate of licensure does nothing but punish those who were driving safely without permission.

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  92. I think the Canadians need to look further south. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mexican citizens are in the process of running off police that think they know what is best for everyone.

    OPP (yeah you know me) might want to consider the consequences.

  93. Home made tools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You'll just have to make your own home made tools. Record what you and your friends browse, then use a scraper to repeat it constantly, and keep adding. In between, you'll browse for yourself, but will only make up for 1% of the traffic.

    Same for news. Get thousands of feeds, but only show those you're interested in reading.

  94. ENEMY OF THE STATE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whenever a MINORITY ELITE part of a State blatantly poses itself AGAINST the majority of the People IT becomes a threat to liberty and wellness of The People......

    (paraphrasing The United States of America Constitution...)

  95. A state-issued license to communicate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't they have freedom of speech in Canada?

  96. Anonymity is a lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone that knows anything knows that actual anonymity is a lie. There is no such thing. Not in any real sense anyway. You can make it harder for someone to figure out who you are, and you can make it so most people do not have the capabilities to figure out who you are. However if someone really wants to know they can find out. About the best you can do is find some bum with open network access, or something like a internet cafe or library. However even then, they can figure out where it was a person accessed the internet from. Places like internet cafes and libraries may have security cameras etc, that can review time date etc...

    This is about ease of access. Police in Canada and elsewhere have long had the tools when appropriate to find out who someone is. They are legal tools, not technological. Your ISP has your information, the site you are using has your information (to a degree), and there are rules for the release of that information. Police and the like, need to follow certain rules, like having reasonable cause, and getting a warrant (or they are supposed to, there are many cases in Canada where the ISP has handed over the goods without).

    Police are constantly bitching about how hard it is. Too bad, do your job. Anyway it is VERY short sighted of them to think giving everyone access to who everyone else is, is going to help them. It would in fact likely be the opposite where individuals and companies would abuse this power, which would cause them many more problems.

    Anyway I would say the OPP can get get stuffed. The privacy commissioner would probably tell them to get stuffed also. This has been brought up several times already at the federal level, with the conservatives being all for it in the name of "protect the children" blah blah blah, however at least in Canada, it became political, the citizens clearly were opposed to it, and more than one politician that was for it, were humorously embarrassed publicly when even using modest means, what could be found out, and then brought forward to air their internet "dirty laundry"... They tended to shut the heck up pretty fast after that. I suspect the next Canadian politician that brought it up would be similarly shamed, and likely not be elected very long nor helping their parties chances to stay in power for much longer. If anything they need to tighten the rules up, as most recently the privacy commissioner for Canada obtained records for all the major ISP's showing that there were millions of requests by the OPP where information was released, and only a very small percentage of those actually had a warrant involved. On the ISP side, they get paid for it, so each release they make money. So not only is it a privacy concern, but a taxpayer concern where police may be wasting tax dollars making trivial requests to ISP's for information not critical to an investigation, because if it was critical, presumably they would get a damn warrant!

  97. Might be an option... by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    ....if police forces across the globe would not be known for constantly abusing their powers and sniffing around in people's lives without having any reason to do so. A driver's license is a certification stating that the holder received sufficient training (ehem, yes, in an ideal world) to operate heavy machinery in public. That is for the same reason why we want licensed electricians, licensed architects, and licenses car mechanics. I never understood the need for a marriage license. I could see a point if that was the certificate that the other person is either unmarried or legally married to one or more other persons (yes, bigamy is widely frowned upon, but it is commonplace). When I got the marriage license I even had to get my blood tested for who know what, but not HIV or other diseases that would make the other think twice.