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Dish Pulls Fox News, Fox Business Network As Talks Break Down
An anonymous reader writes Fox News and Fox Business were pulled by Dish Network over the weekend, as both continue to argue over a fee agreement. From the article: "Dish said in a statement early Sunday morning that 21st Century Fox had blocked access to the two networks after Dish balked when rates for other networks owned by the media conglomerate were made a part of the negotiations. Tim Carry, executive vice president of distribution at Fox News Channel, countered in a statement that "Dish prematurely ceased distribution of Fox News in an attempt to intimidate and sway our negotiations. It is unfortunate that the millions of Fox News viewers on Dish were used as pawns by their provider. Hopefully they will vote with their hard earned money and seek another one of our other valued distributors immediately."
Fox news did not report it.
Just another day for DISH.
A day full of tantrums and stomping off.
Samzenpus forgot to blame this on the freedom-oppressing and america-hating labor unions. Clearly they are some how at fault here if fox news has been disconnected. I would have expected him to at least have read the article far enough to find a way to make that connection happen.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Why would indirect speech inform better than direct speech here? IOW, why not write "dish pulled fox" instead of "fox was pulled by dish"? Is there some suggestion that fox is the victim of an oppressing dish here? I thought the point was that two large corporations are having a business dispute, where typically the only victims are the customers.
.. and did their customers a great service. You can thank them later.
This is far from limited to just Dish customers, as each major cable provider has to renegotiate regularly.
I've noticed a common theme, though... no matter who you talk to, it's the other greedy bastard who's being unreasonable.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Ernest Hemingway
good riddance. Please die.
Thanks,
Everyone.
Do people actually watch Fox news? I though it was sort of a parody thing.
Perhaps if the story'd been more fair and balanced?
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Ernest Hemingway
The primary beneficiaries are the upper management. No big corporation is run for the clients, stockholders, or employes who do the real work. It's all intended to enrich the people at the top.
It's how things are right now: no democracy, no capitalism, no freedom. Nothing to see here, move along.
Why is Snark Required?
and suddenly the intelligence level of DISH subscribers rocketed upwards
Okay then, nothing of value was lost.
Yet another off-topic article from Samzenpus.
Fox News consists of trolls who are watched by an audience of wild-eyed jingoists and xenophobes.
It is necessary for the channel to exist and to be carried by Dish, so that we may know and hopefully understand what is going on with these people. If we cut ourselves off there can be no hope of reconciliation. Apropos example: Cuba.
I also encourage Fox News fans to watch MSNBC (which I find equally infuriating).
Prove anything by multiplying Huge Number times Tiny Number
In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in US.
When did you leave?
When Turner Networks pulled their newschannels like CNN, CNNi, and HLN during the negotiations with Dish, Dish substituted for Glen Beck's Blaze channel and Al-Jazeera America. This time, Dish only substituted Beck's Blaze for one of the Fox News channels. I'm guessing that putting Al-Jazeera in as a substitute for Fox News would have caused a substantial portion of Dish customer's heads to explode. So kudos for Dish for thinking of the cranial integrity of their customers.
In areas with bad or no cable TV service, Dish Network and DirecTV can be your only option. Dish has these channel dropping problems because they hold the line on price, refusing to pay up for overpriced channels. In the case of Fox, Rupert controls both the channel and the delivery service so Fox-branded channels will most likely never go down on DirecTV... but that causes DirecTV to cost more.
If you can't handle the loss of your favorite channel, then you don't want Dish, you want DirecTV or a cable service.
Yeah, it was originally an attempt by Fox EG to compete with Stephen Colbert and The Colbert Report.
Mod me down, my New Earth Global Warmingist friends!
It is unfortunate that the millions of Fox News viewers on Dish were used as pawns by their provider. Hopefully they will vote with their hard earned money and seek another one of our other valued distributors immediately.
Stop being their pawns, do our bidding! Choke their cannon with your dead! And peel us some grapes!
Stop-Prism.org: Opt Out of Surveillance
Where will I learn about the newest silver investments, or where to get catheters delivered to my home?
So the real issue of course is the loss of NFL coverage this weekend for Dish customers who watch Fox sports. Otherwise, a lot of news from Fox can be had from the internet or other broadcasters. I personally dropped Dish a long time ago and never looked back. I use a antenna for local broadcast stations like Fox and use web streaming for everything else. But I can say that web content is not without licensing conflicts, as Netflix regularly drops content when agreements run out.
Amazon has similar issues, as does Apple and Google Play. The problem lies with costs vs viewership and on one hand the networks all feel their content is worthy of more money and the content distributor feels differently. Dish to me has a complex when it comes to these negotiations. The management at Dish is the type who likes to play hard ball with the networks. Always pushing the limit to get a better deal. If its important to customers and they complain watch for these contract issues get worked out sooner rather then later. Customers start to quit Dish we know things will get worked out.
I actually don't like the idea of being a faceless member of a collective, or causing a great divide between management and workers. But right now we have a situation where one side is organized and using its leverage to drive a tough bargain (with companies growing ever-larger, and more profitable), and the other is just lying down.
These outages can be pain, but as long as it keeps my bill from increasing, I support Dish's tough negotiating tactics.
Time to go back to cable.
Bengahzi
Now if they just dump ESPN and Disney & ill think about subscribing to Dish again.
Let me as a subscriber pay for what channels I want on an a la carte basis.
Right now over half of the channels I get are channels I will NEVER watch (ie spanish channels and home shopping channels)
I don't really understand the issues. How much was Dish charging Fox News to deliver their content to Dish viewers? And what sort of fee increases was Dish asking for?
Have gnu, will travel.
This kind of remark is almost reflexive. You could make a criticism of CNN that they are living in a delusional world where blacks are still a suppressed group and where white people are blamed and demonized for any kind of evil or injustice. The liberals are so addicted to conflict and controversy that they cannot let go of long obsolete paradigms of victimization and have to constantly create new fake conflicts and greivances to create false pretenses for false battles. This is despite the fact that for the most part, if anything, whites are the oppressed group in todays society with policies that punish the intelligent and successful ones who built the country. The hatred, violence and attacks on the white race and the white majority today has taken on genocidal, hateful, racist tones. While blacks have been showered with billions of dollars of funded for educational programs, special giveaways and favors and still yet have been unable to in general achieve much of anything at all.
The best thing that could be done for blacks is to jetisson the liberalism, their disgusting white guilt and black victimization tripe, and send a clear message that they have to take personal responsibility and stop blaming others for your own pathetic incompetence. Then they will get the message that to become successful you have to work at it, excel, have vision and so on, and pride in yourself. Pride is an unknown word for liberals, all they know how to do is make some people (whites) feel guilty and make others (blacks) feel sorry for themselves all of the time. It is very tired, old and it has to go.
The democratic party of today is of worship and idolization of mediocrity, the most dim-wited, worthless and parasitic elements of society are the primary clientele of the Liberals, those self righteous, arrogant liberals who on one hand feel they are intellectual superiors, on the other hand enable and even idolize the over-proliferation of the feeble minded mentality. Its almost as if this liberal elite knows it needs a clueless and inept, permenant underclass that it can rely on to buy votes with endless welfare payouts. The Liberals are obsessed with controlling other people, being the self rightoeous jerks that they are who think that they and they alone are gifted with intellectually superior capabilities who know better than you how to run your life, and which is why they idolize the most inept and clueless, they need the inept and clueless to justify themselves, as they need a low skill, uneducated population which cannot govern themselves and therefore need the all wise and all knowing liberal intellectual to manage every aspect of their lives for them. There is nothing more pathetic and absurd than modern Liberalism.
Yes, they did in fact. I found it on their site easily.
Congrats to Fox for sticking by their guns (so to speak - not literally - pardon the pun). They have hammered into their viewer's skulls that "compromise is capitulation". So strong! So Patridiotic! We should all applaud Fox in Not Negotiating. To so much as speak to your enemy is seditious treason, and Dish is the enemy in this fight.
We also learn from Fox Philosophers the time-honored wisdom, passed down from <reference needed>, that "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results". (Which explains why all their kids look alike.) So just walk away - they said no and you said no, that's it. End of story.
Fox is exactly the kind of corporate-person we want our kids to emulate: uncompromisingly dedicated to get their way without the possibility of rational discussion. So Strong! Thank you from all of right-thinking America. Thank you Fox, you are truly an Amercan person, even though you immigrated from the Southern Hemisphere.
Verbum caro factum est
Look who's bored. Dish customer?
Dear Dish,
Ban them permanently and I'll sign up for your biggest package today!
give Dish the nobel prize for ridding their customers of Fox News hate
It's always amusing to see losers with no life posting on Slashdot trying to make people think they are smarter than everyone else. One thing you can be sure of is that the average employee of any news network is heads and heels above you when it comes to intelligence simply by the fact that THEY are running a television network and YOU ... are posting on Slashdot.
News for ya...you aren't as smart as you think you are and no one is buying your bullshit. You want to dump on Fox or any other network? Start your own fucking network and compete. Until you do that you are nothing more than a fucking crumb in the peanut gallery commenting on things he doesn't understand.
Damn, the Republicans are up early this morning. Church let out already? Run out of abortion clinics to firebomb?
Whoosh. Read the parent's full comment again, title included.
(But since you're a Fox News reader by your own admission, I'll guess that reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.)
Fox pulled the channels. Dish would have continued to rebroadcast them as long as Fox would have allowed.
Says the person posting on Slashdot trying to exert the fact that he is smarter than everyone......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
FTFA: 21st Century Fox had blocked access to the two networks ... Dish prematurely ceased distribution of Fox News
So each one is blaming the other...
Generally speaking, major owners of multiple networks such as Fox often try to force distributors (cable networks, dish, etc) to bundle all of their networks. Kind of an all-or-nothing approach. Otherwise networks like Fox News just wouldn't get distributed at all. It doesn't have a large enough following.
This is slowly changing as peoples viewing habits change. People are watching less T.V. these days and that is shifting the cost model such that the 'junk' channels are now more of a drag on profits vs the relatively few channels that people still really care about.
-Matt
So my grandmother who lives where there is no cable TV is only being brainwashed by the Christian Broadcast Network now.... (seriously)
s/©//g
Wish I had mod points so this could be raised up...
Also, I think that's the first time I've ever uttered those words for an AC comment... lol
bork bork bork!
A tiny minority.
There is a long history of bad blood between Dish and NewsCorp.
Hopefully they will vote with their hard earned money and seek another one of our other valued distributors immediately."
Or after having to watch alternatives they'll come to the realisation of just how shitty Fox News is and just not bother paying to watch them again.
I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams
In fact it is the most watched news channel in US. MSNBC is dead last.
Does anyone still hack Dish or DirecTV? I heard something about getting through metal etch layers in a presentation on ASICs for getting to the crypto, so I assume that it's done, but who does it?
Of fox News reports, over 50% of them are false or outright lies. Who is using Whom, as pawns?
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/07/09/analysis-over-half-of-all-statements-made-on-fox-news-are-false/
That's because intelligent people don't watch either network. You get a better perspective from a mix of NPR, BBC, and even Aljazheera English.
"Hopefully they will vote with their hard earned money and seek another one of our other valued distributors immediately."
Really Fox? Are you that far removed that you honestly do not know the state of cable and satellite television in this country? What "other valued distributor" might you be talking about considering that most of the country is served by at best 2 choices for television and one choice for broadband (if that!)? You better realize pretty fast that because of you and other media giants abusing your positions into near-monopolies, you actually do not have the negotiating room you think you do, and people do realize that.
After a month without you, people don't care about you anymore. they've found other ways to get along, get their infotainment, entertainment, etc and don't want to have to give up the new for the old again.
Where will our trailer parks get their news from now?
So I call a pox on both of their houses!
Americans are getting smarter, no thanks to Obamacare.
When a News service becomes political, it stops being News, instead its only entertainment.
the truth is this "most watched" stat is fake. What Fox did was pressure the cable companies to put Fox news on basic cable, and put other cable news programs, on upgrade packages. So Fox counts how basic cable installs to come up with this figure. This "free Fox on basic cable" is why, when you go to some gyms, doctors' offices, auto dealers, they have Fox news going. Which, again, Fox counts. But what do you expect from chronic liars..
Republican leadership = Idiocracy
First they lose all the Time Warner channels, then they lost CBS, now they lost all the Fox Channels...
Pretty soon there's going to be no actual channels left on DISH.
My family and I love the mocking of mentally incapacitated republicans from America. By far the best satirical news program ever broadcast, except maybe for Brass Eye, another English language program, made by the British. that focused on a specific topics though, rather than the accros the board mockery of extreme right wing mental retardation.
Is this the beginning of the demise of Faux News?
FUCK U!!!!
I must admit, I wasn't really on the band wagon of making the comments. I came here looking to read the humor.
:)
I personally don't depend on any of the networks because I have had the displeasure of having the opportunity of learning how broadcast journalism actually works. As a result, I have absolutely no use for their media. I certainly don't wish to be a target for what passes as journalism today.
The government operations (like the Senate, House, etc...) are broadcast an televised. We're choosing candidates as members of a team. We pick a team like Fox or CNN and they broadcast play by play or blow by blow reports of how they interpreted events in the government. We don't choose politicians to represent our best interests. We choose politicians to be a member of one team or another. We want our teams to win and we don't care what they have to do in order to do it. We love the technicalities too. Like, "My team doesn't like what the president did. Look here, there's a little rule in the rule book which says we can throw a card and sue the president for doing his job the best he can".
I must admit, I put little faith in the silliness you seemed to come here to attack. I have far less use for a drone like yourself who seems to think that just because someone won a popularity contest and was voted CEO (which actually doesn't mean what you think it does) he/she or they are special by some means.
Comments here are a waste of time and effort, but for many of us provide an outlet for our frustrations with the system. It's probably no more productive than talking sports at a bar, but it at least keeps us from being drunk all the time. If you're not interested in the Slashdot method of communicating, why would you bother coming here? Of course, I guess maybe you're just using the comments as a place to be a dick and unload a bit. More power to you. Enjoy, Slashdot is here to offend and we are its little helpers
Says the person posting on Slashdot trying to exert the fact that he is smarter than everyone......
Says the person meta-criticizing a /. criticism, and who also apparently cannot tell the difference between the words "exert" and "assert".
This is hardly news. Read about the Greens and the Blues in Byzantium.
I guess they only need a football team each and it would be complete.
Suddenlink just cut all of Viacom last month because negotiations broke down too.
I'm a Dish customer, and I don't give a rats ass. I don't watch any of the cable news crap shows. CNN went off a month or two ago and I didn't notice. Nor did I notice when it returned. Same will be true of FoxNews. As for other distributors, the only other choice I have is DirectTV, and they suck more. So I'm with Dish until I cut the cord completely, which will likely be in the coming year.
That doesn't make sense. What with broadband providers trying to squeeze all the money they can out of Netflix, Google and any other content providers. Just call it sattelite Internet service and charge Fox for the bandwidth. .
Dice, May We Get A -1, RACIST Moderation? I Do Not Take Kindly To Racist Comments Suchas The One Above. We Will Never Advance Our Cause To Equality So Long As Such Biggotry Exists.
As a rule of thumb, take the 'liberal' and 'conservative' commentary, split the difference between the two
In other words, the only thing "fair and balanced" about FOX News Channel is that it balances out MSNBC.
I live in Dish, TX. (Yes, we all have free dish tv here.) I didn't even know we had FOX News on it. I usually get most of my news from slashDot. Fox won't be missed.
Why bother with commentary at all? Can't we just get some facts?
Facts don't get butts in seats and ads in front of eyeballs the way commentary does.
A lot of people have satellite TV because they live outside the service area of cable TV. What would you do in such a situation?
The difference between satellite television and satellite Internet is that satellite television is broadcast with conditional access and satellite Internet is unicast. The limited throughput of a satellite's transponders causes each customer to pay several dollars per GB of transfer (source: exede.com) to reserve time on the transponder to bounce the signal. Netflix over satelliet would quickly run you into your monthly quota.
All this still doesn't explain why we see commercials on our subscription service, though.
That's easy. With commercials alone or with retransmission consent royalties alone, most pay TV channels can't pay the bills to produce original programming. Only the combination of both provides enough revenue. If pay TV channels relied exclusively on retransmission consent royalties, every channel would be as expensive as, say, HBO, and many channels that aim for a more niche audience would go out of business.
No one needs MSNBC just because Fox is a farce--they both represent the same entity--the Business Party. People should know not to turn to TV for news.
Mod parent too close to the truth. Troll=too close to the truth and we must suppress the truth. Take responsibility for your actions, stop blaming others for your failures and stupidity is my advice. Stop idolizing and giving excuses for the inept and clueless. It seems according to you unless you are for massive taxes and trying to slant the system in every way, to attack white Americans in every way you can, someone is a racist. I am sure you view being white itself as being racist! I am sure you people have an absolutely vitrolic hatred of white people and have orgasmic fantasies about the day when white people will be exterminated, dont you? So you have to accuse anyone who tries to call our your genocidal agenda as being the same thing that you are. The only people around here that are racist and who wants to try to exterminate entire racial groups are YOU and your appalling liberal amoral policies. What a bunch of disgusting and vile genocidal sociopaths.
Do people actually watch (pick one: ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, MSNBC, CNN)? I thought it was sort of a parody thing. Your welcome.
And nothing of value was lost.
Hasa diga eebowai!!! You beat me too it! That's almost word for word the first thought in my head when I saw the headline.
So which is it? Did Dish drop Fox or did Fox block Dish?
Ken
Do you mean this post where I explained that Jane Q. Public's climate science denial violates conservation of energy? Again, why did that prompt you to accuse me of being a paid oil troll?
Why would a paid oil troll defend mainstream climate science? This is one reason why I think you might be mistaking me for someone else. Why would the oil industry pay me to debunk the same baseless accusations they're helping to spread?
Another reason I think you might be mistaking me for someone else is that in that post I quoted Jane Q. Public to respond to his baseless accusation:
As you can tell by clicking those links, all those insulting comments were actually quotes from Jane Q. Public, directed at me. As you can tell, Jane Q. Public has been cussing at me for months, and I never responded in kind. That's why I found it bewildering that he accused me of being "rude and insulting". So I quoted some of Jane's bizarre insults to show that Jane's baseless accusation was textbook psychological projection.
It's still not clear why this caused you to hate me so much that you've suggested I kill myself three times.
Glad DTV still has it, other news stations are really hard to watch, every time I see CBS news, I can see why it is going down hill and Fox gets all the viewers.
Yea, I know Fox news is not perfect, but you are more likely to get more facts and not get lied strait to your face. Just look at Obamacare, listen to CBS/NBC and you still think it is working as Obama said it would.
Not very smart of dish to drop the most viewed news channel.
When the police stop killing 7 year old black girls.
And when the police stop killing blacks at 2x the rate of whites.
And when police stop pulling over blacks at over 5x the rate they pull over whites
And when police stop pulling the white girls in mixed groups aside- calling their parents to come pick them up so there is no arrest warrant AND THEN telling the black girls in the group that "the trash goes in back"
And when judges and juries stop sentencing blacks to longer sentences than other groups for the same offenses...
Then the crap you are trying to sell will be valid.
Can blacks succeed in america? Yes.
Is it MUCH harder than it should be for them because of massive and systemic racism? Absolutely.
Whites do well given unequal schooling, unequal job opportunity, unequal law enforcement, a larger "old boy" network holding a disproportional portion of the plum positions and passing them down to their children, etc. etc.
The days of white privilege are still slowly ending and they will probably continue slowly end for at least another 40 years.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
I hope every fucking consumerist idiot out there does exactly that, vote with their hard earned money by not stupidly giving it away.
Cancel their subscriptions to both.
seriously, leave them out of the lineup and knock a couple bucks off every subscriber's bill.
here comes the shootdown: the term "sociopath" hasn't been used by any reputable psychologist since 1968.
As for the race issue, I have this observation: we all bleed the same colour. I learned while watching a movie at age 4 where a man of "colour" was wounded, and he bled red, I asked my mother why he was bleeding red when his skin was brown, she told me something I'll never ever forget: skin is only a wrapper.
Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel
No...his use of exert was correct - maybe not the best usage, but it was used correctly. His post's parent was attempting to make a mental effort to convince us that he was smarter than everyone...through an assertion. Either way, it's energy wasted.
You are a dumb fuck fool
Fox and Me
We both agree
I moved from Dish
To DirecTV
Ops, I shuld have usd the prevuwe but in.
Foxnews is only news that tells truth . Only old ladies and follow the leader college kids watch those other channels.
It's always amusing to see losers with no life posting on Slashdot trying to make people think they are smarter than everyone else. One thing you can be sure of is that the average employee of any news network is heads and heels above you when it comes to intelligence simply by the fact that THEY are running a television network and YOU ... are posting on Slashdot.
News for ya...you aren't as smart as you think you are and no one is buying your bullshit. You want to dump on Fox or any other network? Start your own fucking network and compete. Until you do that you are nothing more than a fucking crumb in the peanut gallery commenting on things he doesn't understand.
Calm down Rupert! You'll burst a blood vessel.
In two weeks(maybe more, maybe less), they'll kiss and make up like newlyweds after their first big fight.
Might even do it right there on the table in front of the rest of the meeting.
Wow, how has dish's entire customer base not pulled anchor and set sail. They are so badly run, I will NEVER let them near my tv again.
Dish pulled fox because networks continue to raise fees that have viewers see rate increases every year,this is not limited to fox.Soon we will be paying $200 plus for tv service and consumers will look to other entertainment choices.
maybe I will subscribe to DISH now that crap like Fox NOT-news is out of their line up
Tomorrow, Dish could lease bandwidth from some ultra cheap, high bandwidth satellite provider that would enable them to switch to video delivery via IP
Which such provider exists today for Dish to begin to deploy tomorrow?
OTA TV is very careful to show only general interest programming intended for the broadest of audiences, so that advertisers alone are willing to pay the cost of producing high production value series. This isn't enough for narrower interest shows.
Does anybody find their statement ironic?
Oh yes, I completely agree that you are correct. You have decimated my argument.
This is a Christmas miracle,,we don't have to watch these right nut licking communist whine and cry,,LMFAO!
Isn't what you are doing the same as what you are condemning the other guy for doing?
Look, all this isn't remotely believable. You clearly compounded that account's massive spamming attempts by needlessly quoting obscenely huge chunks of his nonsense. He's a paid shill and so are you--no amount of verbose whining on your part could hide the role of spamming you were playing in that thread.
Needlessly? How else should I debunk his baseless claim that I was "rude and insulting" when Jane/Lonny Eachus was actually just projecting his own obscene insults onto me? And if you have a better approach in mind, why not just suggest that better approach rather than repeatedly suggest that I kill myself?
Once again, Rujiel accuses me of being a paid oil shill. But once again, why would the oil industry pay me to debunk the same baseless accusations they're helping to spread? I've been debunking misinformation about climate from Jane/Lonny Eachus and many others for 5 years now. Again, why would the oil industry pay me to do that?
Really? Among other things, I've contributed open source software to estimate mass changes on the surface of the Earth using GRACE satellite data. Here's my dissertation which explains the methods. Does that count for anything, or should I kill myself?
I really don't understand why people like Jane/Lonny Eachus and Rujiel are filled with so much hatred. However, sociology research suggests that people are less likely to hurl abuse at people after seeing their faces. So here I am at JPL's open house explaining how our CO2 emissions are causing ice sheets to melt. And here's a clip from the Weather Channel where I explained (at 19m36s and 26m34s) how NASA measures these ice sheets from space.
Rujiel, now that you've seen my face, do you still hate me so much that you still think I should kill myself? Or would you like to retract those odious statements?