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Dish Pulls Fox News, Fox Business Network As Talks Break Down
An anonymous reader writes Fox News and Fox Business were pulled by Dish Network over the weekend, as both continue to argue over a fee agreement. From the article: "Dish said in a statement early Sunday morning that 21st Century Fox had blocked access to the two networks after Dish balked when rates for other networks owned by the media conglomerate were made a part of the negotiations. Tim Carry, executive vice president of distribution at Fox News Channel, countered in a statement that "Dish prematurely ceased distribution of Fox News in an attempt to intimidate and sway our negotiations. It is unfortunate that the millions of Fox News viewers on Dish were used as pawns by their provider. Hopefully they will vote with their hard earned money and seek another one of our other valued distributors immediately."
Fox news did not report it.
Just another day for DISH.
A day full of tantrums and stomping off.
Samzenpus forgot to blame this on the freedom-oppressing and america-hating labor unions. Clearly they are some how at fault here if fox news has been disconnected. I would have expected him to at least have read the article far enough to find a way to make that connection happen.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
.. and did their customers a great service. You can thank them later.
This is far from limited to just Dish customers, as each major cable provider has to renegotiate regularly.
I've noticed a common theme, though... no matter who you talk to, it's the other greedy bastard who's being unreasonable.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Ernest Hemingway
good riddance. Please die.
Thanks,
Everyone.
Perhaps if the story'd been more fair and balanced?
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Ernest Hemingway
The primary beneficiaries are the upper management. No big corporation is run for the clients, stockholders, or employes who do the real work. It's all intended to enrich the people at the top.
It's how things are right now: no democracy, no capitalism, no freedom. Nothing to see here, move along.
Why is Snark Required?
Okay then, nothing of value was lost.
In unrelated news: Average IQ up 5 points in US.
When did you leave?
When Turner Networks pulled their newschannels like CNN, CNNi, and HLN during the negotiations with Dish, Dish substituted for Glen Beck's Blaze channel and Al-Jazeera America. This time, Dish only substituted Beck's Blaze for one of the Fox News channels. I'm guessing that putting Al-Jazeera in as a substitute for Fox News would have caused a substantial portion of Dish customer's heads to explode. So kudos for Dish for thinking of the cranial integrity of their customers.
In areas with bad or no cable TV service, Dish Network and DirecTV can be your only option. Dish has these channel dropping problems because they hold the line on price, refusing to pay up for overpriced channels. In the case of Fox, Rupert controls both the channel and the delivery service so Fox-branded channels will most likely never go down on DirecTV... but that causes DirecTV to cost more.
If you can't handle the loss of your favorite channel, then you don't want Dish, you want DirecTV or a cable service.
Yeah, it was originally an attempt by Fox EG to compete with Stephen Colbert and The Colbert Report.
Mod me down, my New Earth Global Warmingist friends!
It is unfortunate that the millions of Fox News viewers on Dish were used as pawns by their provider. Hopefully they will vote with their hard earned money and seek another one of our other valued distributors immediately.
Stop being their pawns, do our bidding! Choke their cannon with your dead! And peel us some grapes!
Stop-Prism.org: Opt Out of Surveillance
and after some time fox will say you must take fox news with you want FS1, FS2, FXX, FX, FSN, FOX OTA, and more.
Where will I learn about the newest silver investments, or where to get catheters delivered to my home?
I actually don't like the idea of being a faceless member of a collective, or causing a great divide between management and workers. But right now we have a situation where one side is organized and using its leverage to drive a tough bargain (with companies growing ever-larger, and more profitable), and the other is just lying down.
You need Fox news so Democratic administrations are held accountable.
You need MSNBC so Republican administrations are held accountable.
There are blowhards and static on both channels, but there is some useful information to be gleaned amongst the chaff.
My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
These outages can be pain, but as long as it keeps my bill from increasing, I support Dish's tough negotiating tactics.
You don't understand Slashdot....
Dish Network is a information service that uses DBS bandwidth... and we talk about TV shows geeks like around here.
If you want tech business only, check on the weekday business day stories. If you want the fun stuff we do with tech, it's here on the weekends.
Bengahzi
What was the topic?
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
There's a problem there... MSNBC's weekend lineup is filled with "Lockup", a program about jail that they ordered a batch of too many episodes. CNN is broadcasting mostly recorded programs on the weekend. So, only Fox News is covering the world as it happens with weekend newscasts during the day on weekends.
Yep, the problem is at Fox News Channel Inc. (the company that holds the copyrights to Fox News and Fox Business produced shows.) NFL is carried the affiliates at Fox Television Stations Group and produced by Fox Sports. Dish Network fans can still see the games on Fox.
You need jourmalism to keep them both accountable, not just one, because all too often BOTH are at fault.
Further I think that journalism is there to bring you facts, not to 'hold acountable' anything, because if they start doing that, they are not just the messanger anymore (and you can shoot them for all I care). They are propaganda. That will then lead to censorship (Don't tell anything bad about our side and hope that nobody else finds out)
What you have now is the choise of being shot in the left or the right kneecap and the media telling how bad the others are to shoot you in THAT specific kneecap.
Who is bringing up that being shot in the kneecap is just not a good idea altogether? That is what journalism should be about.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
I don't really understand the issues. How much was Dish charging Fox News to deliver their content to Dish viewers? And what sort of fee increases was Dish asking for?
Have gnu, will travel.
You need Fox news so Democratic administrations are held accountable.
You need MSNBC so Republican administrations are held accountable.
There are blowhards and static on both channels, but there is some useful information to be gleaned amongst the chaff.
As a rule of thumb, take the 'liberal' and 'conservative' commentary, split the difference between the two, and then factor out any common business interest between the various media companies (e.g. SOPA, advertisers, etc.) and you will have a much more accurate view of world events.
Any insufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology.
Look who's bored. Dish customer?
Up next on Fox News: Climate Change: Hoax of the century or are all scientists just stupid? Later, BENGHAZI!!!!! followed by the IRS "scandal." Then after the break it's the economy, year six of inflation being just around the corner, with special guest the president of Goldline who will talk about the great investment opportunity that gold represents. But first, Barack Hussein Obama: how the Kenyan Marxist Socialist Islamist Communist faked his birth certificate, his plans to destroy America, and the source of his anti-white rage.
Nobody watches MSNBC.
but there is some useful information to be gleaned amongst the chaff.
Except that most people don't seem smart enough to discern the wheat from the chaff, and believe 100% what their preferred news source is saying.
I am Slashdot. Are you Slashdot as well?
Damn, the Republicans are up early this morning. Church let out already? Run out of abortion clinics to firebomb?
Says the person posting on Slashdot trying to exert the fact that he is smarter than everyone......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
FTFA: 21st Century Fox had blocked access to the two networks ... Dish prematurely ceased distribution of Fox News
So each one is blaming the other...
Generally speaking, major owners of multiple networks such as Fox often try to force distributors (cable networks, dish, etc) to bundle all of their networks. Kind of an all-or-nothing approach. Otherwise networks like Fox News just wouldn't get distributed at all. It doesn't have a large enough following.
This is slowly changing as peoples viewing habits change. People are watching less T.V. these days and that is shifting the cost model such that the 'junk' channels are now more of a drag on profits vs the relatively few channels that people still really care about.
-Matt
What you actually need are impartial and unbiased news networks who report news in a genuinely unbiased way, strictly separate their reporting from their editorialising and ask hard questions of whomever happens to be in charge and the opposition. Preferably this would codified with broadcast standards that they would be required to stick to.
when i got a $5 per month charge on my cable bill for sports programming, which I don't watch (the espn charge), I cut the cord. between OTA and streaming, no regrets at all. buh bye
So my grandmother who lives where there is no cable TV is only being brainwashed by the Christian Broadcast Network now.... (seriously)
s/©//g
Wish I had mod points so this could be raised up...
Also, I think that's the first time I've ever uttered those words for an AC comment... lol
bork bork bork!
A tiny minority.
There is a long history of bad blood between Dish and NewsCorp.
Hopefully they will vote with their hard earned money and seek another one of our other valued distributors immediately."
Or after having to watch alternatives they'll come to the realisation of just how shitty Fox News is and just not bother paying to watch them again.
I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams
+1 and well played
only Fox News is covering the world as it happens
Bwa Ha Ha Ha Ha
Wait you were serious?
In fact it is the most watched news channel in US. MSNBC is dead last.
That's because intelligent people don't watch either network. You get a better perspective from a mix of NPR, BBC, and even Aljazheera English.
and when the contract for the other channels ends fox news will be part of them.
What you actually need are impartial and unbiased news networks who report news in a genuinely unbiased way, strictly separate their reporting from their editorialising and ask hard questions of whomever happens to be in charge and the opposition. Preferably this would codified with broadcast standards that they would be required to stick to.
I agree. But sadly that requires a demand for real journalism, but sensationalism and anger-porn are what people tend to gravitate toward.
Some privacy policy Slashdot.
the truth is this "most watched" stat is fake. What Fox did was pressure the cable companies to put Fox news on basic cable, and put other cable news programs, on upgrade packages. So Fox counts how basic cable installs to come up with this figure. This "free Fox on basic cable" is why, when you go to some gyms, doctors' offices, auto dealers, they have Fox news going. Which, again, Fox counts. But what do you expect from chronic liars..
Republican leadership = Idiocracy
First they lose all the Time Warner channels, then they lost CBS, now they lost all the Fox Channels...
Pretty soon there's going to be no actual channels left on DISH.
Then there's no such thing as a news service. Some may be more informative than others, but they're all ultimately entertainment.
I must admit, I wasn't really on the band wagon of making the comments. I came here looking to read the humor.
:)
I personally don't depend on any of the networks because I have had the displeasure of having the opportunity of learning how broadcast journalism actually works. As a result, I have absolutely no use for their media. I certainly don't wish to be a target for what passes as journalism today.
The government operations (like the Senate, House, etc...) are broadcast an televised. We're choosing candidates as members of a team. We pick a team like Fox or CNN and they broadcast play by play or blow by blow reports of how they interpreted events in the government. We don't choose politicians to represent our best interests. We choose politicians to be a member of one team or another. We want our teams to win and we don't care what they have to do in order to do it. We love the technicalities too. Like, "My team doesn't like what the president did. Look here, there's a little rule in the rule book which says we can throw a card and sue the president for doing his job the best he can".
I must admit, I put little faith in the silliness you seemed to come here to attack. I have far less use for a drone like yourself who seems to think that just because someone won a popularity contest and was voted CEO (which actually doesn't mean what you think it does) he/she or they are special by some means.
Comments here are a waste of time and effort, but for many of us provide an outlet for our frustrations with the system. It's probably no more productive than talking sports at a bar, but it at least keeps us from being drunk all the time. If you're not interested in the Slashdot method of communicating, why would you bother coming here? Of course, I guess maybe you're just using the comments as a place to be a dick and unload a bit. More power to you. Enjoy, Slashdot is here to offend and we are its little helpers
Says the person posting on Slashdot trying to exert the fact that he is smarter than everyone......
Says the person meta-criticizing a /. criticism, and who also apparently cannot tell the difference between the words "exert" and "assert".
This is hardly news. Read about the Greens and the Blues in Byzantium.
I guess they only need a football team each and it would be complete.
Suddenlink just cut all of Viacom last month because negotiations broke down too.
He's saying that the phrasing of the headline reveals a bias in the submission. Perhaps he's right. (I don't watch either Dish or Fox, and I haven't followed their dispute, so this is based purely on his argument and your response...with some guidance from other posts both in this story and in past stories.)
It's a reasonable argument whether or not its true in this particular case.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
What do you mean "held accountable"? When was the last time a major political figure was prosecuted for his crimes, rather than becaus his opponents found prosecution a convenient stick? The last time I can think of is Nixon, and I'm not certain about that. (I don't consider sex with consenting women that you aren't married to to be a crime. So don't bring up Clinton. That was clearly political action rather than prosecution.)
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
I meant "as it happens" as in "live" broadcasting... MSNBC will tell you about something gone wrong Saturday midday on Sunday, there's no same day program that can handle that news on their schedule.
That doesn't make sense. What with broadband providers trying to squeeze all the money they can out of Netflix, Google and any other content providers. Just call it sattelite Internet service and charge Fox for the bandwidth. .
As a rule of thumb, take the 'liberal' and 'conservative' commentary, split the difference between the two
In other words, the only thing "fair and balanced" about FOX News Channel is that it balances out MSNBC.
Why bother with commentary at all? Can't we just get some facts?
Facts don't get butts in seats and ads in front of eyeballs the way commentary does.
A lot of people have satellite TV because they live outside the service area of cable TV. What would you do in such a situation?
The difference between satellite television and satellite Internet is that satellite television is broadcast with conditional access and satellite Internet is unicast. The limited throughput of a satellite's transponders causes each customer to pay several dollars per GB of transfer (source: exede.com) to reserve time on the transponder to bounce the signal. Netflix over satelliet would quickly run you into your monthly quota.
All this still doesn't explain why we see commercials on our subscription service, though.
That's easy. With commercials alone or with retransmission consent royalties alone, most pay TV channels can't pay the bills to produce original programming. Only the combination of both provides enough revenue. If pay TV channels relied exclusively on retransmission consent royalties, every channel would be as expensive as, say, HBO, and many channels that aim for a more niche audience would go out of business.
... because it wouldn't have happened if the FCC would just get their act together and enforce Net Neutrality, dammit! /s
Wonder what the public key field is for?
No one needs MSNBC just because Fox is a farce--they both represent the same entity--the Business Party. People should know not to turn to TV for news.
Mod parent too close to the truth. People need to take responsibility for their actions rather than blame it all on racism. Enough of you libtards and your disgusting and vile BS, trying to label anyone who disagrees with your appalling communist ideology as a racist. Absolutely shameless. The only racist around here is YOU. What the hell is your problem anyway and why do you have such a racist hatred of white people that you feel so inclined to go on the attack whenever anyone should call you out?
Mod parent too close to the truth. Troll=too close to the truth and we must suppress the truth. Take responsibility for your actions, stop blaming others for your failures and stupidity is my advice. Stop idolizing and giving excuses for the inept and clueless. It seems according to you unless you are for massive taxes and trying to slant the system in every way, to attack white Americans in every way you can, someone is a racist. I am sure you view being white itself as being racist! I am sure you people have an absolutely vitrolic hatred of white people and have orgasmic fantasies about the day when white people will be exterminated, dont you? So you have to accuse anyone who tries to call our your genocidal agenda as being the same thing that you are. The only people around here that are racist and who wants to try to exterminate entire racial groups are YOU and your appalling liberal amoral policies. What a bunch of disgusting and vile genocidal sociopaths.
I dont have any bigotry, so what are you talking about? So many seem to be awfully good at blaming people of another race for their problems even though the justifications for this have long since vanished. So why do we continue to do it? The Civil Right movement, once valid and justified, once concerned with a valid agenda for an equal employment opportunity, has morphed into a full scale war on white people taken to a now genocidal extreme. And you are accusing me of being racist, who has agrees with such things as equal employment rights. When did I ever say that anyone should be discriminated against in employment because of race. I find the idea to abhorrent, as abhorrent as schemes to try to get revenge against and attack demonized racial group. What other majority racial group has gone so far to gaurantee equal economic opportunity for minorities, protections I support? Not many. So why does an attack continue against this majority group? Its because this is not about rights for minorities anymore, it has morphed into an attack on the majority.
And nothing of value was lost.
PBS? Absolutely. I also used to watch CNN headlines news. Used to be great. Now, it is like faux: pure crap.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
So which is it? Did Dish drop Fox or did Fox block Dish?
Ken
Do you mean this post where I explained that Jane Q. Public's climate science denial violates conservation of energy? Again, why did that prompt you to accuse me of being a paid oil troll?
Why would a paid oil troll defend mainstream climate science? This is one reason why I think you might be mistaking me for someone else. Why would the oil industry pay me to debunk the same baseless accusations they're helping to spread?
Another reason I think you might be mistaking me for someone else is that in that post I quoted Jane Q. Public to respond to his baseless accusation:
As you can tell by clicking those links, all those insulting comments were actually quotes from Jane Q. Public, directed at me. As you can tell, Jane Q. Public has been cussing at me for months, and I never responded in kind. That's why I found it bewildering that he accused me of being "rude and insulting". So I quoted some of Jane's bizarre insults to show that Jane's baseless accusation was textbook psychological projection.
It's still not clear why this caused you to hate me so much that you've suggested I kill myself three times.
No, we really don't 'need' MSNBC, their news programs suck, their opinion shows 'strive' to emulate The Daily Show, and they turn off the news department on weekends to entertain prison-fetishists...
Ken
here comes the shootdown: the term "sociopath" hasn't been used by any reputable psychologist since 1968.
As for the race issue, I have this observation: we all bleed the same colour. I learned while watching a movie at age 4 where a man of "colour" was wounded, and he bled red, I asked my mother why he was bleeding red when his skin was brown, she told me something I'll never ever forget: skin is only a wrapper.
Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel
No...his use of exert was correct - maybe not the best usage, but it was used correctly. His post's parent was attempting to make a mental effort to convince us that he was smarter than everyone...through an assertion. Either way, it's energy wasted.
Fox and Me
We both agree
I moved from Dish
To DirecTV
Ops, I shuld have usd the prevuwe but in.
In two weeks(maybe more, maybe less), they'll kiss and make up like newlyweds after their first big fight.
Might even do it right there on the table in front of the rest of the meeting.
Tomorrow, Dish could lease bandwidth from some ultra cheap, high bandwidth satellite provider that would enable them to switch to video delivery via IP
Which such provider exists today for Dish to begin to deploy tomorrow?
OTA TV is very careful to show only general interest programming intended for the broadest of audiences, so that advertisers alone are willing to pay the cost of producing high production value series. This isn't enough for narrower interest shows.
It's infinitely better to have folks from every belief set involved... rather than the interview with complimentary handjob that supporter reporters give a political ally.
That way, all the people of differing political beliefs get cheated equally.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Ernest Hemingway
Oh yes, I completely agree that you are correct. You have decimated my argument.
Look, all this isn't remotely believable. You clearly compounded that account's massive spamming attempts by needlessly quoting obscenely huge chunks of his nonsense. He's a paid shill and so are you--no amount of verbose whining on your part could hide the role of spamming you were playing in that thread.
Needlessly? How else should I debunk his baseless claim that I was "rude and insulting" when Jane/Lonny Eachus was actually just projecting his own obscene insults onto me? And if you have a better approach in mind, why not just suggest that better approach rather than repeatedly suggest that I kill myself?
Once again, Rujiel accuses me of being a paid oil shill. But once again, why would the oil industry pay me to debunk the same baseless accusations they're helping to spread? I've been debunking misinformation about climate from Jane/Lonny Eachus and many others for 5 years now. Again, why would the oil industry pay me to do that?
Really? Among other things, I've contributed open source software to estimate mass changes on the surface of the Earth using GRACE satellite data. Here's my dissertation which explains the methods. Does that count for anything, or should I kill myself?
I really don't understand why people like Jane/Lonny Eachus and Rujiel are filled with so much hatred. However, sociology research suggests that people are less likely to hurl abuse at people after seeing their faces. So here I am at JPL's open house explaining how our CO2 emissions are causing ice sheets to melt. And here's a clip from the Weather Channel where I explained (at 19m36s and 26m34s) how NASA measures these ice sheets from space.
Rujiel, now that you've seen my face, do you still hate me so much that you still think I should kill myself? Or would you like to retract those odious statements?