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Anonymous Declares War Over Charlie Hebdo Attack
mpicpp writes with news that hackers claiming to represent Anonymous have declared war on terrorists. They pledged to take down websites and social media accounts being used by jihadists as retaliation for the Charlie Hebdo attack. They said,
"It is clear that some people do not want, in a free world, this inviolable and sacred right to express in any way one's opinions. Anonymous will never leave this right violated by obscurantism and mysticism. We will fight always and everywhere the enemies of freedom of speech. ... Freedom of speech and opinion is a non-negotiable thing, to tackle it is to attack democracy. Expect a massive frontal reaction from us because the struggle for the defense of those freedoms is the foundation of our movement.
Shit, that was qu1%^..
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So in order to protect the rights of others to freely express opinions they are going to silence people expressing the opinion that certain opinions should not be expressed.
This is all getting a little to meta for me.
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sounds like a PR campaign over something that will be effective.. if you look at any footage of ISIS and these extremists; they are a tad behind when it comes to technology - the social networks should be the one shutting down any propoganda efforts from these guys.. smells like "anonymous" is just riding on the publicity behind these tragic events to get noticed.
Daily reminder that the anonymous flag is in great supply and ready for anyone to just pick it up and wave it around for any reason
Back in 2011 them Anonymous declared war on the Zetas --- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/... --- and then what happened?
Nothing, absolutely NOT A _MOTHERFUCKING_ THING !!
Muchas Gracias, Señor Edward Snowden !
I read that some small towns around Paris had their Websites defaced with the ISIS flag. I am surprised the Anons haven't thought of defacing a few ISIS leaning web sites with images of the cartoons in question or something similar. That way, instead of the terrorists feeling like they reduced the distribution of the images they will actually be faced with more of the images right on the sites they use. And this gets the images out there without giving ISIS any new targets. OTOH if the Anons take-down an ISIS site it would probably just deprive the NSA and MI5 of some valuable intelligence. This is something more within their skillset.
So as retaliation for killing people, taking hostages and life threatening others they are going to do what? Change someones facebook profile picture or block their twitter accounts?
Ever since the advent of Islam "Butchering the infidels" has become their favorite pastime
The Middle East and North Africa, from Morocco to Iran, used to be populated by Jews and Christians
Since that pedophile crawled out of that cave where he claimed the Archangel Gabriel bestowed on him the 'Profart' title, however, most of the Jews and the Christians have vanished, thanks to that "Butchering the infidels" pastime of theirs
Afghanistan / Pakistan used to be territories of the Buddhists and the Hindus, and the same thing happened to the locals ... all butchered
If the purp0se of the website is to recruit suicide bombers and bloodthirsty killers to attack innocent 3rd parties, then you can consider it part of the infrastructure of a hostile army, and a first class target for anyone wanting to interrupt such monsters. If you go all meta and pedantic, you have already lost grasp on reality, and need a brain check.
-- Another senseless waste of fine bytes.
Websites like that make it much easier to identify the extremists. Taking them down won't make them go away, it will just cause them to retreat into places that are harder to identify which is going to give the NSA pimps even more political capital to justify invading all of our privacy.
Posting anonymously as I'll probably burn mod points here later on
I personally feel that these 'jihadist' murderers should be charged and sentenced under Sharia law. But not for murder, that would only reward the behavior by making them martyrs.
Instead, try them for the theft of another person's life, and sentence them as common, petty thieves. That sentence would be cutting off both their hands, then bandaging the stumps and sending the assholes back to ISIS. Let ISIS handle their food and waste needs, and their rehabilitation. Let the fanatically blind ISIS recruits see, in terms that they would understand, how terribly misguided this abomination calling itself a "jihad" is in the eyes of the world, and in the vision of Allah and the Prophet.
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Je suis Charlie.
Right?
Removing the freedom of speech of those who would seek to remove the freedom of speech ....
"Consensus" in science is _always_ a political construct.
Anonymous originally (if I recollect rightly) came to a more public place originally when they choose to stand and have a fight with the cult of Scientology. And in doing so a level of fame was garnished. Not to mention fighting a good fight.
Since then, Anonymous has waged a lot of Ops and has hit various targets - and in my HO has lost its way.
Freedom and Liberty - generally even if it gets lost along its path sometimes is a Western Foundation. Millions of people leave other parts of the west to try and escape the terrible events taking place not in the west. There is a constant war where people in the west question themselves, their activities, their history.
But this is a form of war, first between Islamics and Islamics, the intolerant, and the tolerant, and the largesst numbers of people suffering in this war is generall Muslims.
People take affront at Islam being selected as a problem. An issue. It is. The Islamic world has some of the worst government, and where there is better government it is persistantly under threat - not from democracy, but usually henchmen and AK47s and the threat of sharia gangsterism. There are terrible things that take place, from the Saudi Blogger who is being brutally whipped for the next weeks by a so called 'Theocratic' Government of Saudi Arabia. There is widescale FGM and terrible treatment of women, and children are killed, have acid thrown over them, and there is a war on education, liberty and freedom. Most educated, well adjusted islamics who benefit from living in the west and make case defence for Islam have their view. They have a voice in the discussion, but it is not a view that can be accepted.
50+ states have attempted to enact UN level movement to try to inflict laws that would apply world wide and eliminate and reduce the free speech, free expression, and the age of enlightenment - explicitly a larger Charlie Hebdo political effort aimed at everyone. And its backed daily in all corners of the world by brutal men - no, not men, scumbags and physcopaths, sociopaths and idiots - who carry out a brutal drawling of lines in the sand agaist anyone who doesn't comply. Its maintained by limited education, brutality against women and repression, poverty and misery against everyone else.
This is a war. Its a war against lunatic elements of humanity who have decided in a new facism - one where their totalitarian view is the only view. This was carried out when they decided not to kill cartoonists in Paris. That was just a message. They sent a bigger message which is if you say anything, men will come to your door and execute you.
The answer was every single media outlet and paper should have published the cartoons. But no matter. The fact many did not was cowardice - but cowardice has been the path of Mass media for years. So, Charlie Hedbo was left exposed being a refusnik in this cowardice and now people are dead.
If anonymous was to enact what they have said, it would be their finest hour. In worthy cause, and in line with its original ideal. Whatever fights the world faces, Western governments and companies are generally a lower scale issue than the threat of lunatic islam. It has reached a point where Islam is creating no go areas in the west. Areas where threats of violence and intimidation have become the rhetoric of their view of democracy.
It is not enough to say it. Now is the time where action has to take place. Why should any islamic organisation of any kind that hates free speech and liberty be allowed to have any. They have created the rule base of their own reality. Now let them live it.
Unleash the dogs of war.
We`re all equal
These scum are. Cowards.
Anonymous has essentially become an additional tool of our foreign policy, now taking entirely noncontroversial stands that no longer conflict with law enforcement goals domestically and internationally. However it came about, the players responsible for co-opting and focusing this (bowel) movement of computer-savvy brats should be commended and given raises. Good job guys, you took a bunch of professed budding anarchists, stopped them from throwing away their futures, and made them useful. And you did it all on the down-low.
I don't suppose they'd like to include the CONUS websites which espouse Christian Fundie values as well?
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Hopefully their response is more creative than just taking down accounts. Wouldn't it be more interesting to see those accounts flooded with images of the prophet?
A fatwa was declared? By whom? You? Who are you? A fatwa is required to be issued by a qualified mufti to be considered remotely legit, and unless it's someone REALLY important like an important Ayatollah (and I'm not talking about some of the self proclaimed dickheads we find all over the west now but someone who EARNED that title!) you better have a muftiate to back it up! A fatwa is something pretty big and I don't really think any mufti would look kindly upon it if some noname of zero importance like you tried to pose as if he could issue one.
You are a little trolling kid. Not unlike a lot of the rest of the religious nuts. They noticed that people tremble in fear the moment someone throws about "Muslim words". Something that pisses off devout Muslims the most, btw. It's like people waving about guns to make themselves feel big and powerful, which makes all (responsible) gun owners look like loose cannons because some of those dickheads that wave it about as a penis substitute ARE loose cannons or simply act irrationally. Or are simply stupid beyond belief.
It's not much different with the nuts that use religion as a weapon of shock and awe.
After the school shootings kids learned that they can get respect and fear from the others around them if they pose like they'd go and start shooting up shit as well if "provoked some more". Guess what, all it accomplished was that these kids were grounded. As is befitting to punk ass kids.
And this is little else.
"Uhhh, watch out, I'm going all jihad on your ass now"
Yeah, sure, shut up and troll somewhere else, kid.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
From The Open Society and Its Enemies by Karl Popper.
While a fatwa must be issued by a qualified mufti, it's less clear how one becomes a qualified mufti. There are quite a lot of them, and they routinely issue contradictory fatwas and declare their rivals to be heretics.
I have to say, when I hear a pronouncement like this from Anonymous, a passage from Mowgli comes to mind:
Amazing how similar religions can be...
But back on topic, I guess we may be fairly sure that this kid ain't one.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I'll believe it when it happens.
Gee, however would a leaderless, anonymous, unorganized chatroom ever "lose its way"? And how would it find its way "back to its roots?" I imagine Anonymous kind of like a Slashdot commentary completely responded to by Anonymous Cowards... How would we possibly keep the bullfrogs all in the wheelbarrow?
Gently reply
You should use authentification and encryption NOW!
On your remote switch* or we will see many islamists detonating in their training camps, instead detonating at a market square.
Actually then the term suicide bomber would be appropriate - because it's not essentially suicide but essentially it's murder, suicide is just a byproduct
*Suicide bombers have their paket often equiped with a fail over switch if the bomber rethinks pressing the button, it will be pressed remotely.
...that the thing Anonymous is claiming to be defending in its actions is the very thing it is attacking!
Fuck me.
Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel
They've overstayed their welcome in liberal Western democracies.
It's time for them to go.
I'm not really upset about these wacky radical folks who commit such atrocities . . . but I am angry about the larger "moderate" Muslim communities that tolerate them. Look, back in High School, every kid knew who was dealing drugs, or up to other mischief. Every member of the Muslim community in your backyard knows who the radicals are. But, do they turn them in, to the authorities . . . ?
No, because they silently agree with them.
Muslims want the prosperity of liberal democracies, but wish for the draconian theocracy of the appropriately named "Islamic State". Let them go there.
When the USA was trying to form a liberal democracy Iraq and Afghanistan, what happened? A bunch of insurgencies with attacks with homemade bombs on the troops. Have you seen any such attacks in the Islamic State?
No, because the people there are Muslims, and that is what then want.
These Muslim problems can not be solved by outsiders. Only Muslims themselves could do that.
And until now, they have not managed to step up to the plate, and any statements from Muslim leaders have looked frighteningly apologetic.
It's up to you Muslims . . . it's your move. The rest of society have put up with enough of your shenanigans.
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Terrorists attacking Terrorists.. oh the irony.
If they have the resources to attack someone, it should be the cash-rich Saudis who fund these terror cells. If you want to hurt jihadists, cut off their money.
Just like anyone in America can become a preacher. While more traditional religious approaches may include a more scholarly approach to understanding one's professed religion, we can tell by the zillions of self-taught American preachers that zealous bigots with big voices are the religious figures who make the news, either by blaming hurricanes on God's anger at gay marriage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Katrina_as_divine_retribution) or by humping preachers in motels without discretion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Swaggart). I suspect radicalized elements of the Islamic faith are no different, and engage in all kinds of sin, just like their Protestant brothers.
Remember kids, if you're not paying for the service, YOU ARE THE PRODUCT THAT IS BEING SOLD.
Indeed. The mufti system worked back when there was a caliphate, much like when the Catholic church was the only Christian game in town (Well, no-one cared about the Orthodox). There was a clear chain of command and structure of authority to decide who gets to be a priest and who doesn't, and set rules as to what areas priests may have authority over with procedures for dispute resolution. If there was a disagreement over what the religion is supposed to mean, you just go up the chain until someone is willing to resolve it, and you can disregard anyone who claims to be a religious teacher but isn't recognised by the dominant authority. Then the protestant reformation comes along, or the caliphate ends, and there's no more power structure. You get one priest screaming that infidels must die, and another screaming that they must be allowed to live in peace and receive preaching in the hope they will one day convert freely, and another screaming that they may live but need to demonstrate subservient status, and another saying believers should have no contact with them at all - and there is nothing at all to say the opinion of any is more valid than another, so in the end the most charismatic personality with the largest band of followers wins.
Just deface their twitter/blogs/Facebook accounts and fill them with images on "The Prophet" getting ass rapped.
End these people bigotry please.
just ringing all cellphones in the country at random times might just do the trick. annoying for everyone, perhaps unexpected detonation for some.
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Well, I'm not really a big proponent of organized religion (to me it's a bit like UFO nuts pretending to be scientific because they band together and some of them found out how to take real science out of context). But in this special case, you can't help but think the Roman Catholics have something going right by requiring someone to study theology for a while before being allowed to claim they're a priest.
Of course you do have the same shit in Islam. For the same reasons. These people don't give half a shit about Muhammad, Jesus or whoever else is actually important in the religion they abuse. To them, it's about power. If I was a religious man, I'd be happy with them getting what they deserve in their afterlife 'cause religions are usually quite unambiguous when it comes to what's waiting for those that pretend to be some kind of prophet or other person allowed to interpret the scriptures but aren't. Hint for those that don't know: The big buddy in the sky doesn't really like being used as a power tool.
But I'm not a religious person. So I tend to want to see them being dealt with by temporal powers rather than celestial ones.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Erh... ok, there is actually something missing between first and second paragraph (I should proofread after doing some copy/pasting in my texts). The "same shit" refers to self proclaimed preachers.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
DAE America satan? I'm 14 and this is deep.
You still have muftis with more and muftis with less "street cred" about. Just like with the various churches. If the pope says something, even people who are not Roman Catholics will listen. When Pope Francis said that according to him the whole evolution and big bang and 15 billion years and all that probably holds a lot more water than Creationism, you didn't see creationists go "fuck him, who gives a shit?" but they felt the pressing urge to comment on it. On the other hand, I kinda doubt that the Vatican would have bothered to even comment on it when some creationist preacher yells at the top of his lungs about how evolution is wrong.
This is the difference between someone who is deemed important, and someone who simply isn't.
Maybe important on a small scale. Said preacher is probably important in his parish where people actually bother to listen. But certainly not on a global scale.
You have the same deal with Islam. There are a few people or congregations of people whose opinion is of global importance to Muslims, whether they follow that particular creed or not, whether they agree or not. They may not like it, but they can't simply dismiss it as bullshit said by someone who doesn't count.
That does of course not mean that you won't find your radical splinter group that gathers around some charismatic leader who abuses the religion as a tool to gain power. But it also does not mean that this megalomaniac idiot has any more meaning to Islam than the Westboro Baptist Church has to Christianity.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Are these the same wimps that backed down when facing the Zetas? Yeah, fuck them...
Is it not? ... I wish people - especially those with enough brain-power to put computers and networks to creative use - would use more precise and less inflative wording.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
If the purp0se of the website is to recruit suicide bombers and bloodthirsty killers to attack innocent 3rd parties, then you can consider it part of the infrastructure of a hostile army, and a first class target for anyone wanting to interrupt such monsters.
Bullshit. Speech is speech. No matter how offensive you find it, you only have the right to use words against them, absolutely nothing else. Your reasoning is the same thing they use to force their women to cover up. If speech can incite violence then clothing can incite rape.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki...
when someone posts a link that points to the mobile version of a website, I always wonder if they did it while taking a shit.
lucm, indeed.
Uh, no! The death of Abu Baqr was immediately followed by Muslim invasions of Palestine, Syria, Egypt, Persia and then rest of the region - from Spain to India. In all these places, locals were persecuted and subjugated under dhimmi status, until they embraced Islam. As a result, most people converted to Islam, while the people who resisted - primarily those in India - were subjected to a holocaust that would make Adolf Eichmann blush. Somewhere between 100-200M Hindus, Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs were slaughtered in India by various Muslim rulers over the last 1000 years.
What a surprise.
Seriously, it would be nice for them to out their network and point out ppl in the west who are working with AQ and/or ISIS.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Where do we see your bulletin board hitting front pages let alone any media?
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
It did lose its way. It clobbered Scientology - but since then its wandered a hit and miss road in terms of what it understands or recognises as good or bad, targetable, or not.
We`re all equal
Whatever petty bickering the protestants have done it is nothing compared to the holy mess catholicism has done.
What Anonymous could do instead of suppressing free speech to defend it is actually attack the infrastructure of terrorist groups and the states that support them. Maybe identify their physical locations pro bono for intelligence agencies.
It seems if you really want to hurt a terrorist you draw a cartoon of them. Perhaps graffiti artists all over the world could do something useful and use their mugshots to portraits of ridicule of these assholes. Let them be immortalized in a way that would infuriate them. Maybe the next would be terrorist will think twice about doing something if he knows his face will be mocked and ridiculed in perpetuity.
dude, my cell phone does ring randomly, at random times. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
They should focus on hacking back accounts of these bastards, and removing their revenue streams.
... tell us what you did.
Anonymous is lame.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
why the fuck
do we, the people chose to transmit the killing of those idiots live in TV, while we don't record the making of humans live on TV. I have been expecting live footage of the beget procedure for that new member of the royal family, for example.
Did you miss the French connection?
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Will they defend my Freedom of Speech to make fun of Blacks and Homosexuals? Or does their concept of Freedom of Speech only go as far as making fun of religion?
If I say, "Why are black athletes faster than white athletes? Because the slow ones are in jail", does Freedom of Speech defend my right to say this? If I say, "Faggots give rainbows a bad name", will they defend my Freedom of Speech to say that? Or is all this just another angry atheist anarchistic teenager thing where people feel "cool" for attacking religion? I have no sympathy for people killed in this situation. To me, it was no different than someone going into a Black ghetto and yelling "Niggers!" over and over till someone shoots them. Why is it people fully expect that kind of response from openly insulting Blacks, but are shocked that someone takes an action against religious insults?
It's not even about wanting people to all just accept their insulting other people. If people stopped having any kind of emotional response to these comics, they would be no different than looking at an add for 10 cents off a can of beans. The artists WANT an emotional response. They don't want everyone to just accept what's said. They WANT people to respond emotionally to their comics. What they DON'T want, is any kind of consequences for their actions. They think, as far too many people think, that Freedom of Speech is a right to intentionally make people angry and have Big Brother government protect them from that anger.
Contrails and telemarketers, huh?
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
What are Christians doing to shut down the Westboro church?
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
For a culture that hates everything western society has and states that technology is evil and the hand of satan. they sure take advantage of the modern developments that have their root in said culture.
no matter how good it is, it is human nature always wants to make things better
Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of attacking terrorists' online interests. They are scumbags who deserve for worse than that. But it sounds a little hypocritical to defend freedom of speech by attacking the terrorist's "freedom of speech." They tried to censor a newspaper so we respond by censoring them.
Again, not opposed to it...but I've noticed that the members of anonymous seem to claim self-contradictory motivations for a lot of their attacks...I just find their logic a little amusing...
... terrorists are not hurt if you draw a cartoon of them.
Most of the people who died in France were not terrorists.
It's not good to piss off the Pope.
Thanks for playing, though and stuff.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
along with the entire western world over their right to ridicule, taunt, mock and insult an entire group of people and their religion, for no reason other than to provoke a reaction. The hypocrisy and bigotry in the response to this tragedy is ridiculous. You can not defend what this stupid little print magazine is doing any more than you can defend the shootings. Ultimately Charlie Hebdo are themselves responsible for this tragedy.
Al Qaeda, ISIS and their ilk aren't centralized organizations and can't be easily doxxed, DDoS'd or fought in an electronic manner. Bear in mind that the average terrorist has a less than average IQ and a higher than average belief in religion with a strong tendency toward violence. Their use of computers is at the same level as your typical non-technical user: Facebook, twitter, chat and email. So while Anonymous might cause them some hassle, it will ultimately require putting a gun to these people's heads and pulling the trigger.
I don't know about clobbered. Hurt them for a while? Maybe. But Scientology is still here despite having an organized structure to attack. Anonymous didn't finish the job. I doubt these shadowy terrorists have much to worry about.
That train left the station when hate speech became illegal.
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This is actually a great point. Back in the day when the Ottomans ran most of the Middle East, the religious institutions were tightly controlled and becoming a qualified mufti was a process not too dissimiliar to that of the medical school of today. In other words, mufti were few and they basically stuck with the rather traditionalist interpretations of the Koran. Not too surprisingly, their messages were far from the extremes of today. However, once the British and the French took over in the 1920s, the process of forming religious schools became more open, and as a consequence we now have all sorts of crazy shiat being preached by anyone with any kind of mental disorder.
How about "fixing" their faqs to ensure that would be terrorists and bombers bring about their own deaths? A few adjustments to the bomb making instructions might cause at least some of them to blow themselves up first.
When picking battles, it usually helps to know context of why things occur the way they do. The Charlie Hebdo attack did not come out of the ether, there is a long historical narrative behind it. This article will help. As usual, these things have less to do with religion and more to do with exercises in power and oppression. http://www.independent.co.uk/v...
"SO we bide our time, waiting for a purer kick to bloom and the future is still bleak, uncertain and beautiful" -GSYBE
The fact that Muslims - Sunni Muslims - are slaughtered in great numbers by the jihadis shows it's about something other than defending Islam or Muslims.
That's neither here nor there. Islam - as in Qur'an/Sunnah/Tafseers - does allow the killing of Muslims who don't support the Jihad. As a famous Islamic saying states: "Disbelief (in Islam) is worse than slaughter"
Besides, one thing one needs to know about Muslims killing Muslims: that's actually a doctrine called Taqfeer. It's the declaration of one group of Muslims as apostates by another, and justifies any punishment for the latter. This, combined with the sectarianism within Islam, allows for what you describe.
In any Muslim land, 'Islam' is defined by whatever sect the majority of that place is. In other words, in Saudi Arabia, it's the Wahabis - the followers of the Hanbali school of Islamic Jurisprudence, and out there, what the Shiites or Sufis or others do is strictly considered unIslamic. Whereas in Iran, since the Shiites are the majority there, Sunnis are the ones considered unIslamic. This also explains why in Saddam Hussein's Iraq, despite being a devout Muslim himself (getting the Qur'an written in his blood, putting 'Allahu Akbar' on the Iraqi flag), Iraq wasn't declared an Islamic republic. Had it been, Shiite Islam would have been the majority, and Sunnis would have been effectively declared Murtads (apostates).
This persecution is not limited to just followers of rival sects, but is extended to sympathizers of those sects, even among followers of the loyal sect. In other words, Sunni Muslims who oppose ISIS/al Qaeda/Hamas/Sipah e Shehaba et al, are roadblocks in the advancement of Islam, and are thereby legitimate targets, as per the Sunnah. Same would work for Shiites who oppose the Iranian regime or Hizbullah. And so on.
So the fact that Muslims too are killed by Jihadi groups does not contradict their stated goals about establishing Islamic states. Sometimes, Muslims who may simply oppose Jihad group A and support Jihad group B may be slaughtered by militias of A, but that doesn't mean that A is not out to establish Islam, or Shariah, even if it be their version. (And versions are usually Sunnite/Shiite or divisions within it, like Hanafi/Hanbali/Shafii/Maliki for Sunnis, or Jaafari/Khomenii for Shiites and so on).
So now Jihadi sites will start having home pages with pictures of Allah and Muhammed kicking back sharing a beer together? What will the response be? Destruction of all internet, all computers and electricity itself? Perhaps its the laid-bare notion that not everyone thinks like they do, and must either be fixed by force or destroyed (and other people don't want to be fixed or destroyed). It also seems that they anticipated this "Respect Existance or Expect Resistance" notion all through their past, and are willing to force-convert or slaughter anyone who refuses, and have done so since their first days. I read the stories of the Russian "Vlad The Impaler" and how he got the name and reputation. Likewise the fall of Constantinople, and how the Barbery Pirates are not unlike the Pirates of Somalia, or Boco Haram in Nigeria today. Religion of peace to them means 'may your conversion be peaceful'.
Anonymous = Sabu = CIA/FBI informant.
Anonymous has been compromised by your favorite 3 letter agencies. It's all a sham now.
Why? Because 9/11 was an inside job and the CIA created the terrorists. Whenever you see "revenge against jihadist's" immediately think CIA/FBI
Of course dumb repeaters will only get their information from their favorite 3 letter news agency , you fucking morons
If it's taking on Islam, it's found a good cause that will probably keep it busy for a while. No question of losing its way, unless and until Islam becomes as extinct at least as Nazism
I keep hearing about Anonymous "declaring war" and making threats every now and then, but rarely do I ever see anything come of it. At most they'll deface or DOS a website for a couple hours, maybe a day if they're lucky. How terrifying... And that's on the occasion they manage to actually pull off anything at all.
They're just a bunch of attention-seeking wannabe activists who talk a lot of shit and try hijacking every major news story of unrest to convince the world that they're somehow relevant.
Thanks for that informative post. The more I learn about Islam, the more evil and debauched it seems.
I do not want to incur the wrath of Anon, but seriously what took them so long?
Why did it take the murder of these people when thousands have died already and they stood by and did nothing.
What will Anon do about its membership that are Jihadist sympathisers?
Will Anon be thorough, or sloppy, because I sure as hell would hate for some innocent bastard to get caught in their cross-hairs as has happened in the past.
Go away.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
How does blatant stupidity get marked informative? Mughal rule of India was not marked by excessive or significant strife. Nor was there any significant conversions , forced or otherwise. Its why the country try is dominantly Hindu. If 200 million Hindus had been killed, there would hardly be any left
While the idea of DDOSing the social media and websites of a terrorist group is cute, it does nothing but at fodder to the fire. The real war is fought with bullets and bloodshed.
just fyi: you can shout "Fire!" in a theater, crowded or otherwise, if there is in fact a fire.
Anonymous may want to check with /. user Cardoor (3488091) as he seems to be convinced that the Paris perpetrators were the agents of western governments. We wouldn't want Anonymous to go off against the wrong target.
Absolutely. There's no reason for me to follow a nutbag leader, and I wouldn't, but that guy over there, well so long as there are nutbag leaders out there, there will also be nutbag followers. Remove the leaders, and there will still be some remnants, but they'll lack coordination or cohesion.
It's not that these people *have* to follow orders, it's that there are people giving them who will always be able to find orders. Also - for some - following orders may seem like the lesser evil, e.g. "kill these people you've never met or we will gang-rape your wife and young daughter, then kill them". It's not like the wingnuts in charge have any scruples against doing nearly anything to keep in control/power.
There was a clear chain of command and structure of authority to decide who gets to be a priest and who doesn't, and set rules as to what areas priests may have authority over with procedures for dispute resolution.
Simony was a big problem in the Middle Ages. HRE Henry IV fought against Pope Gregory VII over who would name the bishops. There was still only 2 players who could name priests, which kept it relatively safe.
And there were Cathars and Bogomils who got written off as heresy by the victors. Much closer to us (10-20 years or so), there were some (swiss?) traditionalist priests who got excommunicated for saying the mass in latin.
All that does not stop some random Westboro Church or fake Caliphate from sprouting, but it might keep them from surviving a century or two.
ID: the nose did not occur naturally, how would we wear glasses otherwise? (apologies to Voltaire)
Created by a warlord
BarbaraHudson, what's this about you ac stalking/harassing & libeling others http://slashdot.org/comments.p... then you had to eat your words for it?
web pages and sites will be used to gather information. Yes, some of anonymous are SKs and they will simply deface a few sites. BUT, they might find more.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
I hope they sign their attacks "Je Suis Charlie"
Anonymous has shown they can access information. Use that tool cautiously and wisely and uncover the wells from which this disease flows. Expose the corrupt governments, government officials, religious zealots, autocrats and plutocrats who, through their machinations or direct actions, fuel these jihadists and their mindless minions. Darkness cannot exist where there is light.
Don't forget that the Christian* sects took their turn at this too. The Protestant/Catholic wars wreaked havoc across Medieval Europe until the Renaissance and mass education. *waves hands over a thousand years of history*
Science. Education. Freedom. Opportunity.
Support these enough and the rest will eventually take care of itself. Sure, violence still pops up on occasion (e.g. abortion clinic bombings), but it's far less than the indiscriminate and organized slaughter that existed back then.
* I don't mean to imply it was only these two religions. Who can forget the horrible Amish incursions that nearly decimated Pennsylvania in the 70's!
Freedom to fear. Freedom from thought. Freedom to kill.
I guess the War on Terror really is about freedom!
200m Hindus were killed over 800 years. Just because there are 1 billion today doesn't mean that the attempt was never made to covert them all. Mughal rule in India was very much marked by attempts at forced conversions - with Akbar, it took a breather, but just some.
With the exception of the Marines, soldiers, sailors, Cost Guard, and airmen actually fighting to keep us free enough to debate the question of "Anonymos Declaraes War", Anoumymous is the ONLY organization bothering to declare war. In this instance I support totally Anoumyous.
You know, that's actually not a half bad idea.
We built nukes for the very reason of keeping the peace and defending ourselves. I think these kind of terrorist attacks more than justify their use. For example, Pearl harbor, if done incrementally rather than all at once would have been terrorism. Terrorism is nothing more than an incremental, slow motion war.
Except that François-Marie Arouet and Voltaire are the same person (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltaire)
Premature ejac - er - detonation...
OK, feeding a troll, but fucking seriously? You consider shooting the shit out of a bunch of people is "a group expressing their opinion"? So, in the same vein, Waco was the simply "a group expressing their own opinion" as well?
Come on, wake the fuck up and look at the extremes! I am so fucking sick and tired of everyone giving a pass to a bunch of raghead muslim assholes! They are "oppressed by the US", they have been "forced into accepting Democracy", they are "being treated unfairly and unjustly".
Fuck the fuck off! Islam is NOT a religion, it's a SOCIOECONOMIC system, like facism, communism or socialism, that requires death to all who are "unbelievers". It should NOT be protected as a religion! Their "prophet" was a cruel, barbaric, polygamic, warring politician asshole who's writings specifically requires them to be subservient while in the minority, while undermining and working to take over the non-islamic government.
Enough already, look at Islam for what it really is and stop making excuses for their atrocities!
who is this prophet who can't fight his own battles? instead his believers fight for him. i think we should believe in a GOD or prophet who can fight his own battle. if he can't do that therefore he is gabage.