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What Will Google Glass 2.0 Need To Actually Succeed?

Nerval's Lobster writes As previously rumored, Google has discontinued selling Google Glass, its augmented-reality headset... but it could be coming out with something new and (supposedly) improved. The company has placed a relentlessly positive spin on its decision: "Glass was in its infancy, and you took those very first steps and taught us how to walk," reads a posting on the Google+ page for Glass. "Well, we still have some work to do, but now we're ready to put on our big kid shoes and learn how to run." Formerly a project of the Google X research lab, Glass will now be overseen by Tony Fadell, the CEO of Google subsidiary (and Internet of Things darling) Nest; more than a few Glass users are unhappy with Google's decision. If Google's move indeed represents a quiet period before a relaunch, rather than an outright killing of the product, what can it do to ensure that Glass's second iteration proves more of a success? Besides costing less (the original Glass retailed for $1,500 from Google's online storefront), Google might want to focus on the GoPro audience, or simply explain to consumers why they actually need a pair of glasses with an embedded screen. What else could they do to make Glass 2.0 (whatever it looks like) succeed?

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  1. Size by fxsoap · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The hardest problem I've seen people have with Google Glass is how obvious it is you are wearing the glasses. People in public assume you are recording them and it bothers them.

    If you over come that, I think it would be a fantastic barrier to remove.

    After that, give me a utility for these glasses that make me want to buy them/wear them/use them that benefits me beyond what I have or can have now.

    That will make them much more attractive in many ways.

    1. Re:Size by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The hardest problem I've seen people have with Google Glass is how obvious it is you are wearing the glasses. People in public assume you are recording them and it bothers them.

      If you over come that, I think it would be a fantastic barrier to remove.

      So, you have no issues with people recording you when you don't know about it?

      You think is OK for some Glasshole to walk into a restaurant where you are enjoying a public yet private dinner with a friend, record it and put it up on the Intertubes? You are OK with that. I mean, it is a "public" place, right?

      I know, public places and all, just posing the question...

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    2. Re:Size by Smidge204 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's very, very difficult to get upset over things you don't know about.

      Doesn't stop some people from trying, though...
      =Smidge=

    3. Re:Size by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      I always figured that they just need an LED light to shine if they are recording or now. Not perfect but at least they know.

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    4. Re:Size by LWATCDR · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "You think is OK for some Glasshole to walk into a restaurant where you are enjoying a public yet private dinner with a friend"
      You keep using that word but I do not think you know what it means.
      YOU'RE IN PUBLIC AND NO EXPECTATIONS OF PRIVACY!
      Now if you book a private dining room you have some expectation of privacy.

      In other words you can not have a public yet private anything. The very thought that you could strikes me as just odd.

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    5. Re:Size by Solandri · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So, you have no issues with people recording you when you don't know about it?

      You think is OK for some Glasshole to walk into a restaurant where you are enjoying a public yet private dinner with a friend, record it and put it up on the Intertubes? You are OK with that. I mean, it is a "public" place, right?

      You're already being recorded at your public yet private dinner with a friend. Nearly every restaurant has had a security camera system recording 24/7 for a couple decades, apparently without you knowing about it. And yes the recordings sometimes get posted on the internet.

      The problem here isn't Google Glass. The problem is a disconnect between reality and your perception of it. All Google Glass is guilty of is educating you that your perception is wrong.

    6. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I meant to say was, I'm having a private dinner at a private restaurant and some glasshole start filming like its public...,

    7. Re:Size by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You still keep using that word without knowing what it means.
      Private restaurant? Privately owned maybe and the owner could request people not wear glass in the restaurant but it is still in public. You have NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY.
      Here is a good way to determine if it is a public vs private space. Can you exclude other members of the public from entering legally?
      If the answer is no then it is not a private space.

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    8. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're missing the point, chances are Glass *isn't* recording you just like chances are those phones pointed in your direction are actually texting. If I really wanted to record you secretly, it wouldn't be with an obvious head-mounted computer, there are cheaper and more discrete solutions out there.

    9. Re:Size by nine-times · · Score: 1

      The hardest problem I've seen people have with Google Glass is how obvious it is you are wearing the glasses. People in public assume you are recording them and it bothers them.

      If you over come that, I think it would be a fantastic barrier to remove.

      Does that really address the problem? People don't like the idea that Google Glass can be used to record them covertly, so your solution is to make it more covert?

    10. Re:Size by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      I'm saving my "stop spying on me" outrage for the government. When we arrest Brennan and dismantle the NSA, then I'll have some room on my plate to get mad at individual people who might be filming me without my consent.

    11. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >YOU'RE IN PUBLIC AND NO EXPECTATIONS OF PRIVACY!

      Ah, wonderful: one of those very limited, binary minds. There is a difference between being IN PUBLIC and being PUBLICIZED. If I'm in public I should have no expectation that someone will not see me, and possibly tell the tale of whatever I was doing. However, I ought to have an expectation against being PUBLICIZED; i.e., having my life recorded and uploaded for perpetual enjoyment by the public.

      Example:

      #1: "I saw John having a romantic-looking dinner, and he wasn't with his wife."

      #2: "I saw John having a romantic-looking dinner, and he wasn't with his wife, and I posted the video on Youtube."

      #1 Is gossip, and is generally in poor taste, with some exceptions

      #2 Is unethical and should be illegal.

    12. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes and everyone knows that flying is safer then travel by car and yet people definitely get more nervous when flying. The question is will people eventually acclimate to them or not? I suspect that the "I am being _actively_ watched" triggers a "creepy" feeling deep down in our primitive brains. If that theory is correct then pointing out how deeply illogical those feelings are is not going to help.

    13. Re:Size by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't understand why it needs to have a camera on it. I just want a heads up display. It requires a smartphone right? Are there ANY smartphones which do not already have a camera on it?

      If I'm walking along reading a text on a glass display and I see Bigfoot, I could pull out my phone and use that camera. Not having a camera on the glass itself would not be an issue. Bigfoot could say "Hey man, could you not film me," and I could put my phone back in my pocket and apologize. Then bigfoot would say "Are you still filming me with that google glass?" and I could say "No, it's glass 2, so there's no camera" and he would say "Oh cool, now I know I'm not being filmed and I can relax. Hey, have you seen 'Harry and the Hendersons.'" And I could say "Uh... I'm watching it right now!"

      With the camera on there, I would assure him I'm not filming him still, and he'd still be nervous, and then might rip my head off. That's why I won't be buying a glass with a camera on it. I like my head where it is.

    14. Re:Size by kaiser423 · · Score: 2

      Not just size, but I think it needs to stop focusing on the consumer market. They're a couple of generations out from getting is small and useful enough that consumers will adopt it -- even if they make it very small, it's not going to be totally hidden and people will get anxious about whether they're being recorded or not.

      But in the commercial space, every single person on an assembly line could benefit from this -- the F-35 has projects and computer vision systems to overlay work instructions, rivet patterns, and check whether they're in there right. You have to design the assembly line around not obscuring the projectors that are telling you what to do. Making it on the operators face, but doing the same job would be a massive boon. Police officers recording interactions. Medical professionals pulling up charts, etc. There are a couple of very viable commercial uses that they should use to survive and refine over a couple of generations until the tech gets to the point of being able to be packaged into a consumer friendly package. Honestly, spin off a small lean company to keep it alive in the commercial sphere for 5-10 years and then absorb back into the mothership.

    15. Re:Size by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      If someone takes out their phone and starts to record you having dinner with a friend would you be upset? At least you'd know about it.

    16. Re:Size by exomondo · · Score: 1

      So, you have no issues with people recording you when you don't know about it?

      If somebody is recording you with a smartphone it's generally pretty obvious, most people using a smartphone aren't pointing the camera up at people when they are just sending texts or browsing the web so when somebody is holding their phone up like that it's a fair bet they are taking pictures or video. Google Glass is the equivalent of always holding your phone up in peoples' faces and then constantly saying "oh but I'm not recording".

      That's the perception problem. Google Glass isn't the equivalent of surreptitiously filming from an awkward position where it's not framed properly, it is the equivalent of holding your phone up in peoples' faces.

    17. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So if someone doesn't have the ticket that I sell, I can legally exclude them and that makes the venue private?

      Sports, movies, theme parks all then carry an expectation of privacy because of the ticket, right?

    18. Re:Size by firewrought · · Score: 1

      So, you have no issues with people recording you when you don't know about it?

      Remember how cellular "feature phones" used to make an audible "ker-click" sound when you took a picture, and there was no option to turn it off? And how the gym prohibited all cameras in the locker room? Folks were worried about these increasingly ubiquitous cameras. Then smartphones came along and the cameras truly were ubiquitous and everyone sort of gave up... you can turn off the fake shutter sound now and that man in the corner staring down at his cellphone probably isn't trying to take a perv shot of you (probably).

      I'm not defending Google here, or arguing that Glass is a good thing. Rather, that it's possible Glass will become socially acceptable once people get over the novelty of it. If I were advising Google, I'd tell them to add a prominent LED to the front of the Glass that glowed red when the camera was being used. Then people would "know" if you were recording or not.

      The drawback, of course, is that this negatively impacts augmented reality (AR) applications, which are one of the big promises of Glass-like devices. In AR, the images are analyzed to detect faces/landmarks/surfaces/whatever in order to draw reminders/factoids/whatever in the user's field of vision. For instance, maybe Glass could be showing a mechanic the relevant portion of the service manual when he stares at $VEHICLEPART. Google could make it so that the LED doesn't light up when the camera is being used for non-recording purposes. The drawback to that is that Glass is then just one software hack away from being able to record covertly (e.g., without lighting up the public-notification LED)... so it'd really be better to stick with the first approach and hardwire the LED to the camera sensor.

      Of course, you're still being recorded/tracked by a panopoly of public CCTV's, license plate readers, websites, and various other data cabals.

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    19. Re:Size by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      #2 Is unethical and should be illegal.

      And it will be as soon as a few lawmakers get glassed out of office via a Youtube scandal...
      BTW dibs on the use of "Glassed" as a voyeurism type verb!

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    20. Re:Size by exomondo · · Score: 1

      you can turn off the fake shutter sound now and that man in the corner staring down at his cellphone probably isn't trying to take a perv shot of you (probably).

      The difference is when people are using their phones to do things other than taking photos or videos they aren't pointing the camera up at you. Sure you can surreptitiously snap a few shots as you swing the camera around and hope you get one framed ok and not blurry but the difference between that and Google Glass is that Google Glass is like you're always pointing the camera up at people.

      I don't think it's so much an issue of privacy as it is just intrusive and disrespectful to be holding your camera up and pointing it at everybody all the time and that is how Google Glass is perceived. That's where the real "Glasshole" term comes from, it's the guy or girl who walks around pointing their camera at everybody and then says "I can do this because you have no expectation of privacy", sure it's technically legal but it's still an asshole thing to do and an asshole way to respond to criticism.

    21. Re:Size by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

      I always figured that they just need an LED light to shine if they are recording or now. Not perfect but at least they know.

      ...Which a small dot of black paint will easily cover up.

    22. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are the sort of person creating this problem, the kind of pedant that argues over the definition of public and private and uses that as justification for being an arsehole. I dont really care that you can legally come over and film me having dinner at a restaurant, you are an arsehole for doing it and management will eject you for disturbing other patrons. Not because it is illegal but because you are an arsehole.

    23. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your use of that tired, trite old meme "Glasshole" is answers this question for you.

      It's not being recorded that offends you. Its that some smug prick has a new techno wiz gadget that does it and he's wearing it on his face right in front of you.

      Get over yourself. We heard the same shit when they started putting cameras in phones. (Oh fuck! Cameras are everywhere! Think of the children!!!)

      You know what? The tech is here and and it's cheap and if it's useful it's getting used. You can literally slap together off the shelf hardware and get a chinese manufacturer to mass produce them for you for 150 bucks a pop. (The software stack is another question - but what the fuck can't you do with android today?)

      You're just lucky that you can see the "Glasshole" is wearing his device. There's nothing preventing me from putting the same shit in my tie pin and checking the screen on my smartphone at my leasure.

      If I can walk around all day with a camera, recording and face recognizing everyone I see I can then have an automated, chronological, GPS referenced dossier of everyone I've come in contact with (or just been near). I can see their social media profiles, what they like, who they associate with. Everything. That is mind-fucking-bogglingly useful for both legitimate and nefarious reasons. (So what if I can peek at my smartphone or see it realtime on some dorky half-glasses with a google logo. The net effect is the same.)

      And you know what? There's not a damn fucking thing you can do to stop me. The tech is already here and it just takes one board hacker to stitch it all to gether. I suggest you get used to it.

    24. Re: Size by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      Image analysis of what you're looking at.

      It doesn't need to be able to take picture, or record video, but I can see value to it having a camera.

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    25. Re:Size by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 1

      In other words change the device from nothing more than a tiny secondary screen and ubiquitous offensive recording system to something actually functional... yknow... like Steve Mann's EyeTap, that thing that's been around for over a decade now.

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    26. Re:Size by unrtst · · Score: 1

      you can turn off the fake shutter sound now and that man in the corner staring down at his cellphone probably isn't trying to take a perv shot of you (probably).

      The difference is when people are using their phones to do things other than taking photos or videos they aren't pointing the camera up at you. Sure you can surreptitiously snap a few shots as you swing the camera around and hope you get one framed ok and not blurry but the difference between that and Google Glass is that Google Glass is like you're always pointing the camera up at people.

      Ugh. Wrong.
      1. If someone wearing google glass is recording you, he'll have to be facing you. It's pretty obvious when someone is staring at me, just as that'll be pretty obvious. It's even more obvious than when someone is just holding their phone in their hand by their side in a horizontal fist clutch type of way... which looks very very natural, and also can aim to record anyone around them from a comfortable and unobtrusive way.

      2. If someone wants to record people secretly, there are FAR FAR better ways to do it, and they're even cheaper. pinhole cameras are dirt cheap by comparison, and you'll never see them. If you want the same "look where I record" feature, just put the camera in a hat.

      3. You're already being recorded in most places. I'm completely open to discussing modifications to laws and standards regarding recordings in general, but they're already everywhere, and the recordings are already perfectly legal for private use in almost all cases/situations (ex. security cameras, dash cams).

      I'm pretty sure there actually are a bunch of people that honestly have the whole "these glassholes shouldn't be allowed to exist in public-semi-private-places" mindsets, but it seems so illogical to me that I find it hard to believe that many of these aren't just shills and fakes. Why can't we just talk about the cool futuristic stuff these things cool do? Wearable computing is basically here, and there's all this awful noise and name-calling, on slashdot, that's drowning out all the useful conversation.

    27. Re:Size by unrtst · · Score: 1

      Does that really address the problem? People don't like the idea that Google Glass can be used to record them covertly, so your solution is to make it more covert?
      I haven't seen any of them yelling about all the other camholes out there (anyone using a camera to record anything, especially those with pinhole cams, or actual secret cameras). If you want glasses that'll record stuff fairly discreetly, you can even get this toy (ages 8+) for $25: http://www.amazon.com/Spy-Gear...
      That looks like fairly normal pair of sunglasses, and probably takes a better pic than google glass. There's TONS of similar things out there that are readily avaialble, and no ones really yelling about those.

    28. Re:Size by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      #2 Is unethical and should be illegal.

      Yes, it is unethical, but it shouldn't be illegal. I call these "Asshole laws" trying to make being an asshole illegal. The problem with Asshole laws, is the unintended consequences and uses to harass people who were otherwise legitimately doing something not assholish.

      Suppose you're in a restaurant, filming a birthday party for your 9 year old kid, and in the background is John, having a romantic dinner with "not John's wife". And you post it to Youtube, unwittingly exposing the nefarious John and his romantic "friend". Asshole law invoked, and you're now in trouble for recording a kids party at a restaurant.

      So you now need to pass another law to protect yourself.

      Fast forward, Asshole knows that John is having a romantic dinner (again) with his "not his wife" and uses an innocent cover to record John's indiscretion, and post it to Youtube.

      The point being Assholes are going to do asshole things, we shouldn't be making laws to deal with them, because the consequences are often worse. That, and the real asshole is John for romantic dinning with "Not his wife".

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    29. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are nevertheless societal conventions of privacy that are not enumerated in the bill of rights or federal law. Despite it not being illegal, bulk recording other people in public has been deemed a rude/invasive action by many people. Those who try to frame the issue in terms of (only) whether the law says there's no expectation of privacy instead of acknowledging the extra-legal realities of politeness are sociopaths.

    30. Re:Size by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 1

      On the flip side, since the camera is front facing ( so you know what you are recording, I doubt it could HUD _AND_ compress AND upload to remote storage worth a shit ) you would know if some dude was recording you with glass too... he would have to stare at you the whole time.

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    31. Re:Size by exomondo · · Score: 1

      No, you have completely missed the point. Nobody is saying you can't be surreptitiously recording people but Google Glass is the equivalent of holding your camera up and pointing it at people, which is intrusive and annoying. Why do you think they call there is all this outrage about it? It isn't about legality or privacy, it's about not getting in peoples' faces with your camera, it's about not being an asshole.

    32. Re:Size by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "So, you have no issues with people recording you when you don't know about it?

      You think is OK for some Glasshole to walk into a restaurant where you are enjoying a public yet private dinner with a friend, record it and put it up on the Intertubes?"

      No, I'm not okay with it. But the restaurant is already recording me. The other patrons in the restaurant already have the capability to record me as well without it looking like they are doing anything more than playing with their phone. On top of that there are already glasses cams, lapel cams, hat cams, and pen cams to name a few.

      Potentially, every person in the restaurant has that capability already and everyone at the table is likely carrying a device that can be used to record the conversation. Hell, there is a pretty good chance there is crap installed on your phone that gives your employer the ability to remotely activate the camera and microphone on YOUR phone to do the same and almost certainly apps you've voluntarily installed that carry those capabilities and probably even got you to click through an agreement giving them permission. The same with the camera and microphone on your company issued laptop as well.

      At most google glass is giving someone a device that lets them flip on and point the camera a little more quickly when something interesting comes up to take a picture of. Otherwise, I don't see anything new here with glass vs cell phones and security cams. I also don't see glass users as somehow being more or less innately trustworthy than random staff and patrons at your restaurant or work place.

      P.S. If you don't think your employer can/does do this, think again. They almost certainly do especially if a technology company. You can't actually trust any blocker that you install to prevent it but some of those blocker apps will monitor and detect when other apps grab your phone mic/cam and differentiate between the app simply securing the resource and actually activating it. You might be surprised.

    33. Re:Size by unrtst · · Score: 1

      I agree on the obviousness. If possible, I think they should have something that can work with a variety of existing glasses, and multiple styles of their own (like lots and lots), including completely covert ones. With all the folks threatening to beat down on anyone with a camera on their face, it makes more sense to give up on making it obvious (as google glass 1.0 was), and definitely don't go adding red recording lights and stuff.

      As for utility, the single biggest hope/wish I have is for some tech that'll do facial recognition and remind me who the person is. Maybe some way to get some additional info too (last facebook/twitter/email exchanged with them, family member names, age, birtthdate, upcoming calendar events, etc).

      Another option I wouldn't mind seeing is a non-glass glass. Have a camera and audio (ex. earbud and mic). Control it via voice or using an app on your phone. Facial recognition, for example, could still work just fine that way. Maybe dedicate a hardware button the on the phone or a remote to enabling the currently running feature (ex. facial recognition trigger). It could work like a portable amazon echo with an added camera (I personally think the camera feed is invaluable, but there could be cheaper models without the cam accessory... they'd just be a bluetooth ear piece with a helper app at that point).

    34. Re:Size by Sir_Substance · · Score: 1

      You might be in public, but you're not in a studio. You have no expectations of broadcasting, either.

    35. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finance would like to know: were you high during this whole post, or did you get there somewhere between pressing Reply and Submit?

    36. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sound like a smug glasshole.

    37. Re:Size by mjwx · · Score: 1

      The hardest problem I've seen people have with Google Glass is how obvious it is you are wearing the glasses. People in public assume you are recording them and it bothers them.

      If you over come that, I think it would be a fantastic barrier to remove.

      You think is OK for some Glasshole to walk into a restaurant where you are enjoying a public yet private dinner with a friend, record it and put it up on the Intertubes? You are OK with that. I mean, it is a "public" place, right?

      A restaurant is not a public place. Its a private business that has permitted your entrance. The street is a public place and (at least in my country) recording is permitted within limits (those limits being stalking).

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    38. Re:Size by mjwx · · Score: 1

      You still keep using that word without knowing what it means.
      Private restaurant? Privately owned maybe and the owner could request people not wear glass in the restaurant but it is still in public. You have NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY.
      Here is a good way to determine if it is a public vs private space. Can you exclude other members of the public from entering legally?
      If the answer is no then it is not a private space.

      You know restaurants are well within their legal rights to prevent members of the public from entering. In fact if you walked around with a handy cam videoing everything regardless of it was your business or not you will be thrown out. Hell, even in Australia businesses have the right to refuse service with very few exceptions. BTW, you need to look up the meaning of public space, it is not defined by the ability to restrict entrance.

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    39. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I get your point, and it's not without merit. However, a balance of "intent" is always an issue courts have to deal with.

      If you say all "public" recording and uploading is legal, then we usher in a world where everyone's life can be reconstructed from Youtube and Facebook, or we all become voluntary wearers of Burkas.

      The common reply to this is "if you have nothing to hide, you won't mind if your life can be reconstructed." (I don't assume you're making this point, just bringing it up.) *Everyone* has something to hide, though they may not know it. There are always private things that can (but shouldn't) affect our public life.

      If I tell my boss I'm on vacation at Disneyland, but video records show I was interviewing for another job, that could hurt me. I agree we can't make all asshole behavior illegal, but a lot of it we can and should.

    40. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're just lucky that you can see the "Glasshole" is wearing his device. There's nothing preventing me from putting the same shit in my tie pin and checking the screen on my smartphone at my leasure.

      The overt intrusiveness is exactly the problem.

      And you know what? There's not a damn fucking thing you can do to stop me.

      And that attitude is why they are called "glassholes", you're right that it isn't illegal to be an asshole but it also isn't illegal to label those who are. But while you can wear google glass in public I suggest you get used to being called a glasshole and stop whining about how you are perceived.

    41. Re:Size by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      You think is OK for some Glasshole to walk into a restaurant where you are enjoying a public yet private dinner with a friend, record it and put it up on the Intertubes? You are OK with that. I mean, it is a "public" place, right?

      i'd be flattered if someone cared enough about me to do so. anyone that uses the term "glasshole" is utterly naive about the technology and has serious misconceptions about what privacy they have while in public places. if you aren't getting recorded and blasted on youtube today, it's not because it can't be done, it's because nobody cares. if someone wants to record you in public, they will ... and every month a new product comes out that's smaller, faster, has more memory, better frame rate, higher resolution, better zoom. there's no law against it, it's legal. it happens and will continue to happen.

    42. Re:Size by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      "You know restaurants are well within their legal rights to prevent members of the public from entering."
      Yes BUT YOU AS A CUSTOMER CAN NOT!
      That is why it is not "private" you can not restrict who comes in. And actually the owners at least in the US can not restrict people for reason of race or religion.

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    43. Re:Size by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      No because you are a customer do not have the right. Only the owner/manager could make the space private for themselves but not making it a public place.

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    44. Re:Size by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Really? You think so?
      I bet if I have 12 people at a table for a birthday dinner and I shoot some video and you just happen to be in the background NOTHING would happen.
      Just because someone has Glass on does not mean they have any interest in recording you. It is just some weird from of narcism that seem to be popular today. So exactly what thinks you have a right to say someone else can not wear Google glass in a restaurant just because the MIGHT be recording.

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    45. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The camera needs to be there to increase the utility of the device. It will see who you're talking to and pull up relevant details about the person.

      "Hey there... (looks at name) Frank! How's your ... (looks at relationship status) wife Susan?"

    46. Re:Size by quantaman · · Score: 1

      You still keep using that word without knowing what it means.
      Private restaurant? Privately owned maybe and the owner could request people not wear glass in the restaurant but it is still in public. You have NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY.
      Here is a good way to determine if it is a public vs private space. Can you exclude other members of the public from entering legally?
      If the answer is no then it is not a private space.

      You seem to be conflating the law and morality.

      I have a proposal to make, I stand outside your door with a video camera, I film you the entire day while you're in a public space, and then I post the video online for everyone to see. Ignoring the stalking, if this prospect makes you uncomfortable than you must acknowledge that it's not as simple as you imply.

      There is such thing as privacy in public places, we've just lacked the technology to seriously violate that privacy outside of some narrow cases like stalking. As such it was simply to simply declare that there legally was no expectation of privacy.

      But Google glass is a new technology, it changes that equation. It's entirely appropriate to question both the morality and whether laws should be rewritten.

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    47. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet if I have 12 people at a table for a birthday dinner and I shoot some video and you just happen to be in the background NOTHING would happen.

      It is all context, just imagine yourself doing everything you do with Glass on and replace it with holding your cellphone camera up and pointing it at everything and you will see how it is perceived. Looking at the waiter? Yep youre shoving a camera in his face. Look across at the next table? Yep you have just shoved a camera in their faces.

      You can say you dont see it that way and thats fine. You can say others shouldnt see it that way and thats too bad for you. No it isnt illegal but just because it isnt illegal doesnt mean you should do it and everybody has to be ok with it. Some people might accept it, some people might tolerate it and some people might call you an arsehole, you either accept that and move on or you argue with them, probably dont convince them and ultimately confirm their original suspicions.

      So exactly what thinks you have a right to say someone else can not wear Google glass in a restaurant just because the MIGHT be recording.

      Im not but hey if you want to be an arsehole then go for it but dont complain that glass is getting negative association.

    48. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because you're in public doesn't mean that you should have to expect people surreptitiously spying on you. It's one thing for other people to see what you're doing, for cameras that are in place to record you and quite another for hidden cameras to be watching you at all times.

      The rule really needs to be changed to get with the times. If I'm in public I expect that people are going to see and here what I'm doing, hence why people generally wear pants and act with at least minimal decorum. We should not have to expect people to have hidden cameras all over the place recording momentary lapses in judgment.

    49. Re:Size by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Nonsense, you have some expectations of privacy, even in public. You do have fewer expectations of privacy in a restaurant than in your home, but you have some. When you use the bathroom, you are in a "public" bathroom. Yet you have more expectations of privacy there. Why?

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    50. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those things aren't as well publicized. It's hard to get outraged by the molepeople licking your cheese if you aren't aware that they're sneaking into the refrigerator while you're at work and licking your cheese.

      Same basic thing here, Google has a much larger profile that then manufacturers of those devices and has been trying to make it mainstream. I'd be surprised if I've run into anybody wearing those cheap spy devices, but Google is trying to make their Glass much more widespread.

    51. Re:Size by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Nearly every restaurant has had a security camera system recording 24/7 for a couple decades

      Try going to a nice restaurant and not a McDonald's. At most, they tend to record the parking lot and entrance. Not the diners.

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    52. Re:Size by Woadan · · Score: 1

      You may find it unacceptable, rude, or whatever. But photography is not a crime.

      More importantly, just because I have the capability to take pictures, doesn't mean I am taking pictures.

      So in effect, you want me banned from a public place. And you want me banned not because I am taking pictures, but because of the particular picture-taking device I have. I'm not to be banned because I have a cell phone with a camera, but because I have a Glass device with a camera.

      That is so illogical that I'm laughing at you. Hell, my Glass device is laughing at you getting butt hurt over nothing.

      That's a lot of dogma to carry around pal!!!

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    53. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may find it unacceptable, rude, or whatever. But photography is not a crime.

      Nobody is saying it is.

      So in effect, you want me banned from a public place.

      No, nobody is suggesting that in this discussion.

      I'm not to be banned because I have a cell phone with a camera, but because I have a Glass device with a camera.

      You are not banned at all.

      There is a difference between having a camera on your device and pointing your camera at people, why do you pretend you dont see a difference? The latter is far more intrusive and overt.

      Let's see if an example helps you:
      You are sitting at a table on the sidewalk using texting on your phone and somebody walks by. You look up. Do you point your phone camera up at the person who walked by?
      Now if you do the same thing with Google Glass you indeed do point your camera at the person who walked by.

      Now can you understand how some people would find it intrusive? Im not saying it is right or that you should be banned or that it is illegal or that these people should accept it or that you should not wear it or anything like that but simply can you see this from the point of view of anybody but yourself?

    54. Re:Size by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Nonsense, you have some expectations of privacy, even in public.

      This.

      A number of courts have upheld the idea that it's one thing to, for example, take a video of a crowded street, in which case people who happen to walk by have no reasonable expectation of any say in what you do with that video.

      It's quite another thing to focus in on individuals, and follow or surveil them to watch and record what they're doing for a period of time.

      The basic idea is that catching someone incidentally in public is one thing. (Filming police as they make an arrest, for example.) Stalking private individuals, and making them the "stars" of your video is quite another. There is already court precedent which says that deliberate pursuance of even public information and actions by people in public can constitute stalking. The manner in which they are being watched or recorded has a lot to do with it.

    55. Re: Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A fairly obvious solution to that problem is don't build cameras into the damned things.

      Failing that, make punching glassholes in the face more socially acceptable than it is...

    56. Re:Size by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      I am with GP. The fact that something is legal has little bearing on whether it is socially acceptable. If you filmed me while I was eating dinner at a restaurant with others, I would indeed think you were an asshole.

      I would complain to the house, and if they didn't do anything about it, I would.

      There is a huge difference between just incidentally picking someone up for an moment in a video, and making them the subject of your video.

    57. Re:Size by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Because for me all the useful things pretty much revolve around image processing. I want it to translate for me, I want it to recognise text and give me access to extra information. I want "augmented reality" where it overlays things over what I am seeing. All of which require a camera.

      The LAST thing I will find it useful for is an extra screen for my phone.

    58. Re:Size by Woadan · · Score: 1

      It isn't. You just "fear" it is.

      The prism lights up when "something" is happening with the device. It might be that it is starting up. Or it might be a notice from Vine that so-and-so just uploaded a 6-second video. Or it could be a notice of an SMS from your sister. Or an email to your Yahoo! account. Or your GMail account. Or somebody posted something to your Facebook wall.

      Even though you won't know for sure which activity it is, you will be sure that there is activity. But that is it.

      And by gosh, by gum, and by gollee, you're certain it's a picture being taken! A picture of you!

      Argh! Insanity ensues!

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    59. Re:Size by Woadan · · Score: 1

      Hands free. It can take pictures and videos hands free. That is a very useful thing, and that is why it is there. And we both know if it wasn't, it would have sold less because someone would have wanted/needed a camera on it.

      I took some video of debris falling off a truck all over a state highway. Captured the truck number and the company's phone number.

      And I kept my hands on the wheel, too.

      And later, when I was in a better position to, I called the company and shared the issue.

      I could have done the same with a phone, except the keeping my hands on the wheel part. Or the keeping of my eyes on the road part.

      Your hatred is irrational and illogical.

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    60. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, since the restaurant is private property you need the permission of the owner to shoot any video there - at least, in New Zealand.

      You are allowed to film anything you can see from the street, without entering the property, though.

    61. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a moron.

      Have you never heard of street photography?

      Everything you've posted is a whine.

      You are living a lie. Reality is over here.

    62. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet these assholes are allowed to be assholes to you, record your response, post it on YouTube, and say "Gee, what an asshole," even though they are the instigator.

    63. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you think wearing a device on your face is covert?

      Have you ever seen or heard of a nanny cam? Now that shit is covert.

    64. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahem. Most of us are far more concerned with inadvertently becoming the next viral video / idiot meme because we were obliviously making a weird face in the background of some kid's birthday party.

    65. Re:Size by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

      Okay, next time I see you having a dinner, I'll point a huge directed microphone at you to capture everything you say. You fucking dumbass moron.

      If you're in public, you do have an expectation of privacy as well, though of course not as much as at home.

    66. Re:Size by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

      In most countries (though not the US) you have to ask for permission before photographing them.

    67. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another possibility is that there is too much tolerance for being recorded, and Google Glass is part of the problem as are widely distributed security cameras clearly being viewed by people who shouldn't be in that role.

      (Note: re GG, I actually think the problem is a lack of visible shutter or camera-integrated recording light so it can't be disabled with software. GG had a bunch of issues, but always having a POV camera a touch away can be pretty neat).

    68. Re:Size by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Except is isn't that people are using Google glass to record them... People are upset that people might be recording them.
      So people might use TOR to trade kiddie porn no one should be allowed to have TOR on their computer?
      No it is just a bunch of people that seem to want to call other people names and rant.

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    69. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is a good way to determine if it is a public vs private space. Can you exclude other members of the public from entering legally?

      FTFY. The emphasis is important.

    70. Re:Size by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Glass has an LED that comes on when you are recording. Furthermore recordings are limited to short lengths, so to record continuously you would need to keep touching or talking to it.

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    71. Re:Size by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I don't understand why it needs to have a camera on it. I just want a heads up display. It requires a smartphone right? Are there ANY smartphones which do not already have a camera on it?

      Yeah because the solution to a gooky looking person with a weird thing on his head is to have a gooky looking person with a weird thing on his head holding up his phone like he's in the outback searching for a signal.

      2 points:
      1. There are a lot of applications for having a camera in a heads up display. I assume you've heard of augumented reality? Well Google and others are working on systems that can do all sorts of neat thing, no I'm not talking about displaying a shitty add from a QR code, I'm talking live realtime translation of written text. As someone in China right now who doesn't speak a word of Chinese this would be a god send for reading instructions.

      2. Why are people obsessed with the camera? Do you think your lives as so bloody valuable that someone may actually have evidence of you being somewhere in public where you can be seen by everyone anyway? Do you even know how much battery life the damn Glass has? If you did you'd realise that people have far more important things to do like conserve their battery than pry into your most likely very uninteresting life. If everyone was wearing Glass right now I expect you would get recorded exactly as much as you do in the real world right now, i.e. not at all aside from the countless CCTV cameras that store footage of you in some tape in some basement.

      But sure keep living in fear, because you have every reason to be fearful. If someone actually finds you interesting then they are already recording you. Difference is now you have no idea who it is. But that makes you feel so much better now doesn't it.

    72. Re:Size by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      The world isn't black & white, despite what you seem to believe. Having no expectation of privacy is not the same as someone recording you and publishing your conversations... if I constantly followed you around with a videocamera that would be harassment.

      Even in a public place there are expectations of "personal space", if "privacy" is too strong a word.

    73. Re:Size by fincher69 · · Score: 1

      This mentality totally baffles me. Walk into a normal restaurant, and I would be unlikely not to see at least one person on their phone. Do you not realize how easy it is to "covertly" record a video on a phone? Do you get this irrationally angry every time someone is on their phone? That is so ubiquitous that it would actually be much easier to video you or take photos with my phone because it wouldn't get your attention.

    74. Re: Size by Graydyn+Young · · Score: 1

      Image analysis of what you're looking at.

      Having your glasses analyze what you're looking at is an extremely cool concept, but not really feasible for a Glass type device. The explorer addition could record video for just a couple minutes. Battery life is a huge problem if you don't want a cord hanging out of your glasses.

      For a device that sees and hears what you see and hear, you need something more like this: https://www.spaceglasses.com/

      And you thought Glass got you funny looks...

    75. Re:Size by Evtim · · Score: 1

      "It's very, very difficult to get upset over things you don't know about."

      Until you get hate mail [or kick in the mug] from the boyfriend of the girl you dined with.....or from her Muslim brother who will cut hers and your head off....or get fired because that was your boss's daughter....or your wife beats you because you were supposed to "work late" that evening....or how about if you were dining with a man and your family are gay haters....and about a million other possibilities

      I treat cameras in the hands of tourists [plenty of them in Amsterdam] as guns --> I avoid being "shot" and it annoys me. Before the social media and Internet era it was no bother that some Japanese guy will have a pic of me riding a bike in the background while he was taking a picture of his wife. Now, with tagging and face recognition and what not....piss off, you are not taking ANY images of me...

    76. Re:Size by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 1

      It's a whole lot simpler when you can simply punch out an asshole for being an asshole, and the 'criteria' is that the popular opinion of those observing the situation is that the punch was justified. Simple social ettiquete, if someone has an issue with your use of glass you can put it away or explain calmly, and if they have that much of a problem with it concede for the purpose of keeping the peace. I encounter this a lot with just a camera since I like taking pictures of not-people (buildings, infrastructure, indoor spaces). But of course, our society is now "wah wah I was being an asshole and can you believe he PUNCHED me and now I have a new house and car and he lives in a box!" and since the simple approach is illegal, we pile on asshole laws.

    77. Re:Size by Slashjones · · Score: 1

      YOU'RE IN PUBLIC AND NO EXPECTATIONS OF PRIVACY!

      Repeated often, but false. A human being spotting you in public is absolutely different from surveillance cameras spotting you everywhere and recording everything for some organization. Human memories are unreliable, private, a single human can't be in so many places at once, and using humans for surveillance is more expensive. This is why I think people should have privacy from mass government surveillance in public places. That's a type of privacy.

      You also wouldn't want someone looking up other people's skirts just because they're in public. Lots of people don't want to be randomly recorded by some ignorant privacy-hating tool.

      I don't speak of an expectation of privacy (though I expect privacy in many cases), but about whether or not it's ethical for someone to violate your privacy in certain instances. That whole "expectation of privacy" thing is eradicated the minute you get the ignorant majority used to surveillance. I 'expect' that the NSA is collecting most people's communications, and yet it's still immoral.

    78. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think the GP is suggesting to solve the fundamental privacy concerns by making the device more discreet. Only that people will be more likely to buy and use it if they feel the risk of upsetting strangers is removed or lessened.

      I'm not sure about the hardware and its capabilities, but most of the problems that were publicized concerned social problems. Without the device being socially acceptable to use, any technical problems are moot. At least at the scale that Google is hoping for.

    79. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So in other words, if you can't be a barbarian, you get government thugs to be barbarians for you? Not a fan of live and let live, I take it?

    80. Re:Size by Smidge204 · · Score: 2

      Until you get hate mail

      At which point you know about it, and can therefore be upset about it. Being aware of something is a necessary precondition to having any emotional response to it.

      Otherwise it's called paranoia.
      =Smidge=

    81. Re:Size by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If I had Google Glass, and wanted to record something, I'd set my phone up with the camera peeking out of my pocket. Better optics and better capacity, and you're unlikely to notice.

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    82. Re:Size by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      It's a whole lot more dangerous when random strangers can punch you out for things you either aren't doing or are doing innocuously, particularly when you're not a good fighter.

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    83. Re:Size by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      A restaurant is a business, which means it's a place that admits the public. That makes it a public place in many respects in many jurisdictions.

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    84. Re:Size by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Yes I have heard of street photography but clearly if you think that in any way rebuts what I wrote then you clearly lack the capacity to understand what was written.

      I'll try to bring it to a level you understand: Google Glass is not bad or intrusive or whatever in all circumstances, only in the cases where it's right up in people's faces. Like Glass, street photography is fine so long as it's not right in people's faces, otherwise you're going to piss people off.

      Understand now? I don't think it gets simpler than that.

    85. Re:Size by exomondo · · Score: 1

      It isn't. You just "fear" it is.

      Wrong, it absolutely is shoving a camera in people's faces, not always but certainly when you're in close proximity to other people. That's what this whole "glasshole" thing is about.

      And by gosh, by gum, and by gollee, you're certain it's a picture being taken! A picture of you!

      When did I ever say anything about it taking a picture? All I said is it is the equivalent of shoving a camera in people's faces, disagree all you want but you're still wrong which is precisely what all the "glasshole" backlash is all about. Why do you think google issued guidelines about it?

      I'm not saying I care about it - you're just projecting that onto me - I'm saying that, correctly, incorrectly or subjectively, that is the way it is perceived.

    86. Re: Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My idea is to simply remove the camera. If someone wants to take a picture, let them use their smartphone, since most of the world is not yet ready for the culture shock of cameras on every forehead.

      AR glasses are a great idea, and not having a camera removes the "hole" from "glass", therefore, no more Glassholes.

    87. Re:Size by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YOU'RE IN PUBLIC AND NO EXPECTATIONS OF PRIVACY!

      Perfect example of a Glasshole: "You have no expectation of privacy, I don't care if you find it disrespectful because I will do what I want and don't call me an asshole"

      Dickheads like you ruin it for everybody else, if people find it intrusive or invasive or disrespectful and you react by saying, in your adenoidal, matter-of-fact way "well you have no expectation of privacy and im legally allowed to do this so i will" then of course you are going to get a backlash. Suck it up, act like a cockbag and you will be rightfully persecuted for being a cockbag. Answer? Dont be a cockbag about it.

    88. Re:Size by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      I don't agree that the two things are even remotely comparable.

    89. Re:Size by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      You can stand on the street in front of my house if you wish but my door is on my property.
      What you do not get is that are creeped out because they MIGHT be recording you. Not that they are recording you. So do you demand that no one takes out a cell phone in public? They MIGHT be recording you... Horrors.
      Get a grip... You are probably really not that interesting.

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    90. Re:Size by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 1

      Agreed, however people generally don't go around doing that even in the absence of such a law / enforcement. Having a simple law against unprovoked attacks would work fine, and allow juries to determine what constitutes a provocation in the event it goes that far. I mentioned the whole "ask people to stop first" as well. The solution to assholes has been around since the dawn of man, if Ugg keeps putting out the fire when everyone else is cold, Ugg will get clubbed over the head and left outside.

    91. Re:Size by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      " if I constantly followed you around with a videocamera that would be harassment."
      Yes but if you are walking down the street with one it is not.
      You and everyone else are all bent out of shape not because people with Google Glass are recording you.
      You are all upset because they MIGHT be recording...
      Frankly people unless you are making a fool out of yourself in public your probably just not that interesting.
      But here you go http://www.brickhousesecurity....
      Live in terror and hide. Lots of hidden cameras that cost a fraction of the cost of Google glass!
      Your doomed everyone is spying on you because you are so interesting!
      This all hype driven garbage.

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    92. Re:Size by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Really? Why do you think that everybody wearing google glass is spying on you?
      Why is it immoral are wrong for me to wear Glass if I am not recording you?
      Guess what.... there is nothing wrong. You are just afraid that someone might be spying on you but frankly there are a ton of really hidden cameras that cost a fraction of Glass and record at the same resolution.
      http://www.brickhousesecurity....
      You don't see the two things as being remotely comparable but you want to ban something that might be abused...
      And frankly the abuse would be less harmful on average and less common than TOR or Bittorrent.

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    93. Re:Size by quantaman · · Score: 1

      You can stand on the street in front of my house if you wish but my door is on my property.
      What you do not get is that are creeped out because they MIGHT be recording you. Not that they are recording you. So do you demand that no one takes out a cell phone in public? They MIGHT be recording you... Horrors.
      Get a grip... You are probably really not that interesting.

      You've never seen a viral video of an ordinary person doing something really stupid? I can think of many.

      Someone wearing Google Glass (and constantly recording) catches you saying or doing something that sounds incredibly funny/offensive/strange, they post it online, it goes viral, and suddenly your life is different.

      Sure it's unlikely but the threat is there. I'm not going to be nearly as comfortable having a conversation in a restaurant when I know people are recording because there's an extra filter all my words have to pass through.

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    94. Re:Size by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      Live in terror and hide. Lots of hidden cameras that cost a fraction of the cost of Google glass!
      Your doomed everyone is spying on you because you are so interesting!
      This all hype driven garbage.

      You're not thinking of the near future. Mass data storage of all video recorded anywhere + face recognition + trawling of video of you for embarassing / illegal behaviour. It's not hard to be worried for good reason, society needs the ability to *not* notice everything, and to forget. There are so many unknown and unclear laws that you are breaking some law all the time, you think adding the ability for that to be discovered will lead to a better society?

    95. Re:Size by balbus000 · · Score: 1

      Disclaimer: I could probably be classified as a Google fanboy, but I do not own Google Glass.

      I think these types of arguments are silly, because they take an already existing issue and then pretend that Glass is the only cause. Seriously, look around the next time you're in a restaurant. There are always people pulling out their cell phones to snap a picture of their food or friends, and of course people they don't know will be in the background of the photos. This is really what you're worried about with Glass? This already happens.

      Do you think that the problem will be worse with Glass? If so, why? And how much worse?

    96. Re:Size by fxsoap · · Score: 1

      So, you have no issues with people recording you when you don't know about it?

      You think is OK for some Glasshole to walk into a restaurant where you are enjoying a public yet private dinner with a friend, record it and put it up on the Intertubes? You are OK with that. I mean, it is a "public" place, right?

      I know, public places and all, just posing the question...

      Well, in that case, I wouldn't know, and I wouldn't really know to care! Of course I would want it to be done to me...but if it's obvious (kind of on par with holding a cell phone up like you're recording someone) then people will be bothered and you will see videos of the people lunge at the glass wearer and yell at them to take them off.

    97. Re:Size by fxsoap · · Score: 1

      I posted about it up a little but if you don't know it's happening, you won't know to have any reaction. So being more covert isn't really solution just that it can't look like anything different. It would have to blend with my normal dress and not draw attention to me

    98. Re:Size by fxsoap · · Score: 1

      This could be used for police/military for live feed or 'body' camera's as well with many purposes, good point. That would be a better space for them to work in ;)

    99. Re:Size by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      You seem to be assuming that operating glass hands free is safer than pulling out your phone. This sounds unlikely to me given the available data.

      Outside of a car, again, pull out your smartphone's camera.

      I didn't say I hated glass.

    100. Re:Size by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Really? Why do you think that everybody wearing google glass is spying on you?

      Where did you get the idea that I think anything of the kind? I certainly did not write anything like that.

      Why is it immoral are wrong for me to wear Glass if I am not recording you?

      I really don't know why, since once again that has nothing at all to do with anything I actually wrote.

      You are just afraid that someone might be spying on you...

      Again I am compelled to ask where you got that idea. It seems to have sprung from your own mind. I certainly did not write any such thing, and I am not "afraid" of the likes of you, camera or no camera.

      You don't see the two things as being remotely comparable but you want to ban something that might be abused...

      Yet again, I wrote no such thing. That's 4 times now. I don't think -- and didn't say -- they should be banned. I only mentioned that they should not be used improperly or rudely. Why do you seem to have such a huge problem with that idea that your mind made up all this other stuff I supposedly said? Maybe you should go back and read what I *did* write.

      The discussion was about recording someone eating dinner in a restaurant, "not kiddie porn". The reason I don't see the two as comparable is because they are not comparable.

      And frankly the abuse would be less harmful on average and less common than TOR or Bittorrent.

      I don't even know what you mean by that, or what your motivation for writing it is.

    101. Re:Size by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      This is not about recording anyone at dinner. What this whole thread is about is people not wanting other people to wear Google Glass because they are afraid of being recorded.
      You are right not to fear me because frankly I am polite, kind, and have never threatened anyone in my life.
      What I will not put up with is this dumb hate on Glass trend that seems so popular. It is a piece of tech like any other. It can be abused or not abused but just because someone can abuse does not mean people have the right to prevent me from using it based on a fear of being abused.

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    102. Re:Size by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      And you are just not thinking. You think Google Glass is the problem?
      Every store, restaurant, and mall has the right to install security cameras. The UK has them on every street.
      So do you think you have a right to tell me that I can have wear Google Glass because I might be recording you? Not that I am but that I might be?
      Frankly I want a pair for driving and riding my motorcycle so I can have a hud with my speed and RPMs available with out taking my eyes off the road. Having the option to record a nice ride would be a good option. So exactly why do you have any reason to be upset if I decide to wear them into a restaurant where I am eating lunch?
      They are causing you no harm and are really not offensive in anyway.
      So your fear of Google Glass is unfounded and frankly violates others rights to use a tech tool that causes no harm to you unless they abuse it. But then I can take a video of you with my phone and you would never really know it so are you going to ban people from using their smart phones in public as well?

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    103. Re:Size by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      "You've never seen a viral video of an ordinary person doing something really stupid? I can think of many."
      And not one was recorded with Google Glass.

      "Someone wearing Google Glass (and constantly recording) catches you saying or doing something that sounds incredibly funny/offensive/strange, they post it online, it goes viral, and suddenly your life is different."
      1. You can not constantly be recording with Google Glass the battery will last only about an hour.
      2. Incredibly funny? Not a problem. Offensive? I try to never be offensive in public or private. Strange? Yea I do that all the time. I have discussions about physics and other strange topics.

      "Sure it's unlikely but the threat is there. I'm not going to be nearly as comfortable having a conversation in a restaurant when I know people are recording because there's an extra filter all my words have to pass through."
      So I should not be allowed to use a piece of tech that I find useful because their is a very unlikely chance that someone will do something in public that someone records and posts to the internet?
      Really? You want to take away that right from me just to provide you with no real protection from an unlikely event since the same thing can happen with smart phone.
      And here is the best part...
      "I'm not going to be nearly as comfortable having a conversation in a restaurant when I know people are recording because there's an extra filter all my words have to pass through.""
      Good, you should have that extra filter on in public because you are in public. You should try to not be offensive in your speech and behavior. That is called manners. You never know when you are acting a fool in public when someone you know might see you or frankly anyone might take out a cellphone and record you.

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    104. Re:Size by quantaman · · Score: 1

      Your making this into a binary situation when it's more subtle than that.

      Should it be illegal? No.

      Does it make people uncomfortable? Yes.

      Why does it make them uncomfortable? Because the added possibility of a surreptitious recording makes them a little more cautious than they would have been otherwise (even in public). It's not about appropriate vs inappropriate, I know I wouldn't feel comfortable having a connected conversation about my feelings with a potentially global audience. You've never passively eavesdropped on a couple's conversation? What about the people who think that conversation is so interesting they'll start recording and post it to facebook saying "check out this fascinating conversation I overheard".

      I'm still not saying ban it, but there are social consequences we need to consider.

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    105. Re:Size by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      This is not about recording anyone at dinner.

      What *I* wrote very definitely and clearly WAS about recording someone at dinner.

      So you are way out of line. Maybe you meant to reply to someone else?

      What I will not put up with is this dumb hate on Glass trend that seems so popular.

      I don't blame you. But I'm not one of those people. I'm not particularly impressed by Glass, but neither am I irrationally afraid of it.

      I do, however, think there are standards of etiquette that would require you to not record things with it under some circumstances. But that's a behavior issue, not a tech issue.

    106. Re:Size by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      "I'm still not saying ban it, but there are social consequences we need to consider."
      Those are past. You can do the same thing with a cell phone so the fact that Glass makes you aware of the potential is a good thing.

      "I know I wouldn't feel comfortable having a connected conversation about my feelings with a potentially global audience." Then have it in private. That is the thing people need to learn public is public and private is private. When you at a restaurant you are in a public space. Same is true at club or bar.
      Those conversations should take place in private. That has been true for around 200 years or more and is nothing new.

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    107. Re:Size by meatspray · · Score: 1

      They already could be doing this without glass, The business is already doing this. Security footage makes it to the net every time something interesting happens.

      You don't assume the business or the guy tapping away on his phone at the next table is recording you because he's not. There are far less glassholes than assholes who hate people for wearing glass.

    108. Re:Size by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      That's not only the traditional solution to assholes, but the traditional solution to people who look or act differently, or think differently and actually talk about what they're feeling. I prefer to put up with a few assholes in exchange for being able to discuss my political views and being out with my gay friends and family without undue danger.

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    109. Re:Size by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      But isn't the guy cheating on his wife asshole #1?

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  2. I think only price by AvitarX · · Score: 1

    It's essentially a smartwatch that you don't need to look to your wrist for.

    It has a camera the watch doesn't, but input is more awkward.

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    1. Re:I think only price by doconnor · · Score: 1

      Some early Samsung Gear watches had cameras, but they seem to have fallen out of favour. Maybe the same thing will happen with Google Glass.

  3. Take out the camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Seriously. That camera is the source of most of the hostility users wearing the thing face.

    Obviously that would be a huge functional hit, but I for one intend to be as hostile as I can without getting arrested (thrown out is fine) to anyone who comes into a bar with a camera strapped to their face. I suspect I'm not alone.

    1. Re:Take out the camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Seriously. That camera is the source of most of the hostility users wearing the thing face.

      Obviously that would be a huge functional hit, but I for one intend to be as hostile as I can without getting arrested (thrown out is fine) to anyone who comes into a bar with a camera strapped to their face. I suspect I'm not alone.

      I'd buy you a beer if I could.

      Anyone with a brain doesn't want someone pointing a web-connected
      video camera at them when they are out in a bar or restaurant trying to
      enjoy themselves. It's just not acceptable in public and all the counterarguments
      relative to "no expectation of privacy" are not going to prevent people from
      getting their asses stomped very badly.

    2. Re:Take out the camera by bhcompy · · Score: 1

      Yep. I'm all for a translucent HUD. I'd love to have a map up on my glasses while I'm driving rather than listen to Google Maps butcher the directions because I live in an area of the US where entire cities have foreign language street names.

    3. Re:Take out the camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously. That camera is the source of most of the hostility users wearing the thing face.

      Obviously that would be a huge functional hit, but I for one intend to be as hostile as I can without getting arrested (thrown out is fine) to anyone who comes into a bar with a camera strapped to their face. I suspect I'm not alone.

      And pretty no one wants someone walking into the restroom while wearing it.

    4. Re:Take out the camera by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      It would get rid of the only piece of functionality worth having. The screen was tiny, hard to see, impeded your normal vision, and more or less utterly sucked. It couldn't be interacted with and couldn't take text input well. The only interesting thing about the device was the camera and what you could do with it in the realm of computer vision. I'd rather lose the screen and have a wearable camera with bluetooth to my phone for display and processing. I already have a far superior screen in my pocket and I can perform real input on it. The screen was useless.

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  4. Camera delete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    As long as it has an integrated camera, no one will be comfortable with it.

  5. google glass by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

    I have to wear glasses and would rather not, gas perms and other contacts that I've tried suck - so why would anyone need to wear glasses when they don't need to, or invest in a pair that still has to be upgraded to prescription lenses?

    This whole "glass" thing reminds of ten years ago when the rage was three d gaming in Unreal Tournament - a thing of the future (just like flying cars for everyone).

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    1. Re:google glass by blackomegax · · Score: 1

      But 3d gaming went on to become ~a thing~ to an extreme.

  6. Less creepiness by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've only been around a few people wearing Google Glass, and I had the stress / self-consciousness of constantly wondering if I was being filmed. That was not an enjoyable sensation.

    Unless Glass 2.0 can make that issue go away, people are still going to want to punch Glassholes.

    1. Re:Less creepiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yet you don't concern yourself with the actual recording that is happening as you walk down the street, or go into stores, etc? Hope you know how to say 'hypocrite'.

    2. Re:Less creepiness by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      Hope you know how to say 'hypocrite'.

      Not only can I say it, I also know its definition.

    3. Re:Less creepiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet you don't concern yourself with the actual recording that is happening as you walk down the street, or go into stores, etc? Hope you know how to say 'hypocrite'.

      Was he saying he didn't? You seem to read into things. *hmmm*

    4. Re:Less creepiness by ClioCJS · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Oh look... Someone justifying assault by implying that the victim is an asshole. Meanwhile, people who justify assault are..... Not(?) assholes?

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    5. Re:Less creepiness by duranaki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've only been around one person with Glass and I never felt self-conscious or worried that they might be recording me. I constantly see cellphones in positions that *could* be recording me, but probably aren't. I wonder why we're okay with people always having their phones out, but seeing someone in fancy glasses makes us paranoid? Sure, it's more subtle with Glass, so? I suspect people only care because the media made such a big deal about it, enough so that they had to coin the term "Glassholes". But most people have never seen a Glasshole. I haven't. I mean the penetration of Glass is so tiny, how could you encounter people wearing Glass enough to form a stereotype about them?

      That said, maybe next iteration could feature a bright white LED that flashes to let everyone know you are recording. And Google can then make a big push to inform people that No-Light=No-Recording. Would that reduce the creepiness? I'd hate to lose the camera, it enables a ton of awesome use cases. I suppose then we'd just hear ghost stories about people crippling the LED so they could once again be creepy.

    6. Re:Less creepiness by Anrego · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are subtle but important differences.

      Yes surveillance is ubiquitous, but it's usually managed by business owners or government agencies, which means it's very unlikely to end up on youtube. A bar wouldn't survive very long if they made a habit of posting embarrassing moments from their surveillance tapes on the web.

      People with cellphone cameras is also ubiquitous, but using one to record something is usually fairly obvious.

      Covert surveillance is also now mostly trivial, but it's not socially acceptable and very few people actually do it, so the chances of being covertly recorded in a bar are pretty slim unless someone has reason to.

      Google glass is in an all new category. To many, walking up to a table while wearing google glass is roughly equivalent to walking up to that table with your cellphone camera pointed at the people sitting their, and thus has gotten much the reaction you would expect.

    7. Re:Less creepiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not remove the camera?

    8. Re:Less creepiness by Anrego · · Score: 1, Informative

      Horrible as it is, this is a battle of social acceptance. Google wants wearing a camera on your face to become socially acceptable. Those of us who don't want to see this become the norm want to make sure it doesn't become socially acceptable.

      Unfortunately the best way to achieve this is by being hostile towards people wearing the damn thing. Just as walking up to some random couple at a bar, pulling out your cellphone, and pointing the camera at them would likely attract hostility as a non-socially acceptable behaviour, so must wearing google glass.

      This doesn't have to be violence, but it does have to be enough to make:

      - the individual unhappy (negative re-enforcement against the socially unacceptable behaviour)
      - observers nervous about engaging in the behaviour themselves (hmm, everyones telling this guy to shove his google glass up his ass, and one guy is even offering to help, maybe I shouldn't buy one just yet!)
      - businesses nervous about incidents, hopefully enough to ban the devices

    9. Re:Less creepiness by Anrego · · Score: 1

      * there .. :(

    10. Re:Less creepiness by swillden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People with cellphone cameras is also ubiquitous, but using one to record something is usually fairly obvious.

      That is the perception, but it's really not true. It's quite easy to record video while pretending to be texting, or something.

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    11. Re:Less creepiness by ClioCJS · · Score: 1

      It's good to see the same fallacies dragged out over and over again. Helps cement the fact that wrong people aren't wrong due to being misinformed, but because they choose to repeat the same mantras to themselves over and voer again. I think I understand why the world is so full of violence now.

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    12. Re:Less creepiness by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      Oh look... Someone justifying assault by implying that the victim is an asshole. Meanwhile, people who justify assault are..... Not(?) assholes?

      Reporting an urge to commit an act is not the same as justifying it.

    13. Re:Less creepiness by Anrego · · Score: 1

      Agreed, but see:

      Covert surveillance is also now mostly trivial, but it's not socially acceptable and very few people actually do it

      Citation needed, but at least perceptually I don't feel like everyone is sneakily recording my private conversations at a restaurant.

    14. Re:Less creepiness by blackomegax · · Score: 1

      Ban it in your own home, sure, but don't be a luddite and ruin it for the rest of us.

    15. Re:Less creepiness by ClioCJS · · Score: 1
      Sure. Literally, it did not.

      In context? Switch out some of the nouns and verbs, and you get:

      s/they/women/; #(men can get raped too) s/google glass/short skirts/; s/Glassholes/Sluts In Short Skirts/; #update pejorative s/punch/rape/; #update verb s/America/Saudi Arabia/; #helps my metaphor

      You get:

      Unless Saudi Women can make their short skirts less sexy, people are still going to want to rape Sluts In Short Skirts.

      Sure, literally that does not justify it because they don't use the word justified.

      But who are we kidding here? You insert a victim-blaming aspect into a situation that involves violence, but want to pretend that gives no justification to the perpetrator.

      You're not fooling me.

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    16. Re:Less creepiness by Anrego · · Score: 1

      The counter-argument of "no expectation of privacy" is also oft repeated, and imo wrong (see http://slashdot.org/comments.p... for my also tired response).

    17. Re:Less creepiness by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      You're not fooling me.

      I'm not sure why you think you're in a position to judge my motives, but I'm not interested in trying to convince you. I hope you enjoy the rest of your day.

    18. Re:Less creepiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Luckily all three of these things are happening, and the last one is important. Bar owners and restaurants are acknowledging that their patrons don't like glassholes and are being pretty good about banning it when it shows up.

      I for one intend to leave any place where I see someone wearing one of these things, and I'll make sure the owner knows why.

    19. Re:Less creepiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Unfortunately the best way to achieve this is by being hostile towards people wearing the damn thing."

      Admit you're a bully.
      You're a fucking violent bully looking for a socially acceptable reason to be violent.

      You're also a hypocrite for not being upset about the 100+ times per day you end up on security cameras or in the background of someone's cell phone photo.

      Fuck you.

    20. Re:Less creepiness by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      I've been around a few Glass users. I didn't find it creepy from the recording aspect since we are already recorded everywhere already anyway.

      I do think it just plain looks ugly though, and bulky enough I wouldn't want it on my face. That was the thing I never got about Glass really - people generally don't wear glasses if they can help it, to the point where people have invasive laser surgery so they don't have to wear glasses... suddenly we are supposed to want to wear them all the time? It just never made much sense to me, not as much as watches do (not talking about the Apple Watch specifically, just the concept of a smart watch).

      I can see glasses having some very specific HUD kinds of uses - like sunglasses for driving, or snow goggles each with very specific displays. But I just don't see it being a good form for general use for a wide range of people.

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    21. Re:Less creepiness by blackomegax · · Score: 3, Insightful

      These places already record you though, for their own security. Look at it more like a personal dash-cam. Why shouldn't people be able to record their personal fields of view in public? Why does that offend you to the point of restricting a new technology? You're a flat out luddite. Sure if you don't like it, leave, but you should just accept it as a fact of life in the future. Camera density will only ever go up. You'll be on more and more of them, personal and private, and may not even be aware of that fact, and you can't stop it, so why worry?

    22. Re:Less creepiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it needs to add Opti-Grab

      jr

    23. Re:Less creepiness by Anrego · · Score: 1

      Socially unacceptable behaviour is met with hostility, usually in proportion to the nature of the behaviour. Something extreme (like a guy beating his date) is likely to attract violence, something relatively minor like my cellphone example would likely result in being told to "cut that out and go away" (which is more or less the response I'm advocating).

      You're also a hypocrite for not being upset about the 100+ times per day you end up on security cameras or in the background of someone's cell phone photo.

      See: http://slashdot.org/comments.p... for standard counter argument.

    24. Re:Less creepiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The thing is everyone is taking pictures and recording already. A good portion of the US population walks around with little cameras in their pockets. Waiting to 'I am putting that on youtube'.

      This is more along the lines of 'you can now feel yourself breathing'. Now that someone pointed it out they see it all the time. Even though it is basically NO different.

      Really the only thing holding these things back? Cost. Most people are not dropping 1500 on what is basically a watered down toy phone. Most people get their phones thru being subsidized for free or 50-100 bucks. When the reality is they cost 600-800 bucks each.

      If they cost 10 bucks each there would be a lot more people using them... People are jerks. Right now they get to come off high and mighty only because there is no way they would buy it in the first place simply because of cost.

    25. Re:Less creepiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you should try reading up on SCOTUS decisions. That's the Supreme Court of the United States. There really has NEVER been an expectation of privacy EVER when you leave your home. Ever.

      Your complaints are nothing more than masturbatory-whines.

    26. Re:Less creepiness by Anrego · · Score: 1

      Legal expectation of privacy and social expectation of privacy are pretty different concepts.

    27. Re:Less creepiness by ClintJaysiyel · · Score: 1

      I think perhaps people don't realize that giving reasons to sympathize with an attacker is de facto justifying it. You are saying there are reasons. It's like saying, "I don't think white people should randomly kill black people, but I understand why they think they need to, and it's for $THIS reason." ... Yeah, that doesn't fool me either. Sorry I'm so stubborn. ;)

    28. Re:Less creepiness by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

      Why dou think he is not concerned? Can't we just prefer not to be filmed at all?

      What's wrong with (glass)holes like you?

    29. Re:Less creepiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should really have a disclaimer that you're a Google employee defending them. I'm sure they pay you well.

    30. Re:Less creepiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He did not justify anything, he merely explained cause and effect. If you wear ridiculous gimmicks, people won't like you. Life works that way for glassholes and non-glassholes alike.

    31. Re:Less creepiness by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      A bar wouldn't survive very long if they made a habit of posting embarrassing moments from their surveillance tapes on the web.

      You must not watch much YouTube. There are tons of "funny" surveillance camera video from different places. Hell, you can even make money selling them to TV shows.

    32. Re:Less creepiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Simple modification: move the camera to a ring on the wearer's finger.

      People think Google Glass is creepy because the camera in on the headset and automatically points at whatever the wearer is looking at, and it's not at all obvious where the camera aperture is, or whether it is recordiing at any given moment.

      Put the camera in a ring on the user's finger, with a Bluetooth connection to the headset. Have a physical cover that covers the lens the vast majority of the time. Now it will be really obvious that recording is not happening the vast majority of the time, but the wearer can still grab an image of almost anything they want at any time.

      Creepiness gone.

    33. Re:Less creepiness by swillden · · Score: 1

      You should really have a disclaimer that you're a Google employee defending them. I'm sure they pay you well.

      When I say something that may be construed as defending Google, I do post a disclaimer. I didn't think this qualified.

      And, yes, I'm pretty happy with my compensation :-)

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    34. Re:Less creepiness by swillden · · Score: 1

      Agreed, but see:

      Covert surveillance is also now mostly trivial, but it's not socially acceptable and very few people actually do it

      Citation needed, but at least perceptually I don't feel like everyone is sneakily recording my private conversations at a restaurant.

      This gets to the heart of the matter; it's all a question of perceptions/feelings. Perhaps it's because of something in Google's original ads and videos about Glass, or something else, but people perceive the main purpose of Glass to be video recording and assume that anyone wearing one is recording them, while they don't think the same thing of phones with cameras. Even though phones are actually better video recording devices, and almost as easy to record with covertly.

      (Disclaimer: Because some AC thought I should mention it, I am a Google employee. I don't work on Glass, and don't speak for Google, though. This is only my own personal opinions. I've only used Glass a handful of times myself, though I've frequently been around other people wearing one.)

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    35. Re:Less creepiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meanwhile, people who justify assault are..... Not(?) assholes?

      No, they are not. Those who record people without their consent are assholes, and in my opinion physical violence becomes a very acceptable reaction and deterrent in that case.

    36. Re:Less creepiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ban it in your own home, sure, but don't be a luddite and ruin it for the rest of us.

      Luddites used to break machines. In this case people only want to break glassholes' noses, not their glasses. Furthermore, you seem to talk about glassholes as if they (you) were the majority ("the rest of us"...who?!), but that's not really in line with google's recent decision to stop selling that thing.

    37. Re:Less creepiness by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      There are subtle but important differences.

      the difference is that w/ glass, you know you (may) be recorded. without glass, you have no idea. covert recording devices are numerous and powerful. if someone *wants* to record you, they will.

    38. Re:Less creepiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which works fine if you happen to be looking at that exact moment. But, just look at the problems that have happened as a result of laptop cameras being turned on remotely to take pictures of people in the room. It only has to be on for a moment and if you're not looking you're not going to see it or even know that it happened. Hence why I cover mine up when not in use.

    39. Re:Less creepiness by gnupun · · Score: 1

      Oh look... Someone justifying assault by implying that the victim is an asshole. Meanwhile, people who justify assault are..... Not(?) assholes?

      Video recording someone is also an assault, albeit not a physical one. If recording people were not a crime/harrassment, cameras and mics could be installed everywhere. Imagine such a world, where crime would be greatly reduced. But it would be complete hell as far as the comfort level of people goes.

      So, IMO, the glassholes are justified in wanting to punch you, because you assaulted them first. Only assholes record strangers without cause or permission.

    40. Re:Less creepiness by ClintJaysiyel · · Score: 1

      stopped reading when you tried to redefine assault to your purposes. you don't get how the first amendment works.

    41. Re:Less creepiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lighten up, Francis. That's not what the poster said, and you're smart enough to know it.

    42. Re: Less creepiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really. Example: I love going to Las Vegas. I hate cameras in public with a passion. However, I recognize that casinos NEED those things in order to continue to conduct a cash business, the absence of which is more detrimental to my privacy--the alternative being all cashless and therefore all tracked.

      I also recognize that they have a vested economic interest to NOT release video footage except in extreme circumstances or customers will cease to trust them.

      None of that applies to some idiot wearing a camera disguised as badly designed eyeglasses.

    43. Re:Less creepiness by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      It is because you are looking at why people are wearing the glasses vs not. People get lasic because it means they don't HAVE to wear glasses anymore and the lasic does the same job as the glasses. People in that situation see the glasses as a penalty. It is a bit like a wheelchair, you wouldn't use one unless you had to.

      The google glass on the other hand was meant to come with benefits that out weighed the penalties of wearing them. In exactly the same way that sunglasses come with benefits that outweigh the costs of wearing them. They cut the brightness and they can make you look cooler (YMMV). The reason so few people did wear the google glass though is because they quite simply sucked and didn't do very much for anyone.

      If the glasses were a true hud rather than a crappy little screen people would have used them. God if you could give me something the size of a bluetooth headset with a connected contact lens that gave a true overlay I would be seriously tempted to use that all the time.

    44. Re:Less creepiness by Woadan · · Score: 1

      And one is enforceable in courts, while the other is not. And, depending on how far you go, you might, while defending your social expectations, be guilty of assault accompanied by battery.

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    45. Re:Less creepiness by Woadan · · Score: 1

      If I was to be banned, and it was because of wearing a Glass device, I would sue the owner if he doesn't also ban cell phones.

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    46. Re:Less creepiness by Woadan · · Score: 1

      Simple modification: move the camera to a ring on the wearer's finger.

      People think Google Glass is creepy because the camera in on the headset and automatically points at whatever the wearer is looking at, and it's not at all obvious where the camera aperture is, or whether it is recordiing at any given moment.

      Put the camera in a ring on the user's finger, with a Bluetooth connection to the headset. Have a physical cover that covers the lens the vast majority of the time. Now it will be really obvious that recording is not happening the vast majority of the time, but the wearer can still grab an image of almost anything they want at any time.

      Creepiness gone.

      Your ignorance is showing.

      Except, it is obvious when there is activity on the device. It isn't going to be clear which of the activities it is possible to that is actually taking place.

      The prism lights up.

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    47. Re:Less creepiness by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Given that Glass barely gets an hour of film time what makes you think anyone is remotely interested in filming your boring ass?

      Actually if you're as unstable as you claim in the post I think people have good reason to film you. It would probably be used as evidence.

    48. Re:Less creepiness by Graydyn+Young · · Score: 1
      Glass 1.0 didn't have that problem. You know how to tell when a "Glasshole" is filming you? How about the giant white blinking light on the front of the device?

      Seriously, it's easier to covertly film somebody with your phone, at least you can pretend you're playing Angry Birds or something.

    49. Re:Less creepiness by chihowa · · Score: 1

      A great deal of the creepy factor associated with Glass is the connection to Google. You may not perceive it this way because you work for Google, but a great deal of the population is at least a little uneasy with Google and their tendency to slurp up any information available.

      In any conversation I've been in, the mention of Google carries with it a response ranging from mild uneasiness to outright creeped out. By the general population, Google isn't perceived as hip and cool anymore. A Glass clone without a creepy connection to Google would likely be better received.

      It's not being recorded that bothers people as much as it's being recorded for creepy or nefarious purposes. Google's involvement makes the recording more creepy.

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    50. Re:Less creepiness by blackomegax · · Score: 1

      I don't own one, I'm just transhumanist enough to really want any development at all into this kind of thing.

    51. Re:Less creepiness by swillden · · Score: 1

      That's true... but why doesn't it apply to Android phones? They're also associated with Google, and also have cameras.

      FWIW, I think Google has a big PR problem to solve here. The perception that Google slurps up all information available isn't really correct, either, but it's pretty difficult to convince people of it. The Google dashboard was an attempt to show people what Google actually knows about them but (a) hardly anyone knows about it and (b) most who look at it assume that it's only what Google wants them to know that it knows.

      I think in the long run the only solution for Google is to move away from advertising, to a payment-for-services model. That won't happen with much of the existing service suite, but advertising can be de-emphasized by growing in other directions.

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    52. Re:Less creepiness by chihowa · · Score: 1

      Android's connection to Google is well known to geeky types, but seems to be less well understood by the general population. Aside from the Nexus devices, there's almost no Google branding on Android phones. Even the inclusion of various Google apps is somewhat countered by the stock inclusion of Facebook and other companies' apps.

      I completely agree that Google would do well by moving away from advertising. The data slurping and overall creepy and opaque nature of Google's business is largely due to being supported by advertising. It's going to be a very hard road, though. Getting people to pay for services that used to be "free" is hard to do without convincing them that "free" wasn't really free (and that "free" was undesirable... tarnishing their image in the process). If they don't fix their image and trajectory though, they're bound to turn into another Microsoft: flush with cash, but reviled and only coasting along on inertia.

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  7. Killer App by darkain · · Score: 3, Funny

    It needs a killer app... like one that shoots lasers that kills people.

    1. Re:Killer App by colordotmatrix · · Score: 0

      No, one that offers butt recognition/comparison software.
      This way, everyone can find the butt of their dreams!
      :-)

    2. Re:Killer App by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It needs a killer app... like one that shoots lasers that kills people that use google glass.

    3. Re:Killer App by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      Two words: X-Ray Specs.

  8. I'm not sure it can succeed by QuietLagoon · · Score: 3, Interesting
    So long as there are glassholes, google glass will not succeed.

    .
    Unfortunately, google cannot control the people who use google glass, so there will always be glassholes and google glass won't succeed.

    1. Re:I'm not sure it can succeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The thing is I think a lot of people (you included?) use the term "glasshole" to mean anyone who uses Google Glass in public - not just people who are rude about it.

      Probably within the next ten years Google Glass-like devices will be completely unobtrusive (contact lens eyepiece, etc.). That makes everyone you meet a potential glasshole. How are people like those I just described going to deal with going out of the house at that point? It'll be paranoia city for them.

    2. Re:I'm not sure it can succeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So long as there are glassholes, google glass will not succeed.

      That's funny. Glasshole is a term given to Glass owners mostly by assholes who are afraid of the thought that someone is carrying a camera that is pretty much always off.

      The only antisocial fuckwits I've seen are those people who don't wear Google Glass.

  9. Just stop. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should stop and go the direction MS is with the HoloLens.

    "Unless Glass 2.0 can make that issue go away, people are still going to want to punch Glassholes."
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  10. Shutter by jklovanc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A visible physical shutter that can be moved over the camera lens to prove that one is not recording video. I realize that it does not deal with people not near enough to see the shutter but at least it will put the people at the table at ease. This is not a perfect solution but it might help.

    1. Re:Shutter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Combine that with an LED behind the shutter that is always on when recording and you have a much more acceptable device. If you can see a red LED whenever a glasshole is recording it will demonstrate that most people who would use the device are not glassholes and would use it like a souped up smart watch (like AvitarX said, you'd have to price it appropriately -- MAYBE $500 since you are getting some additional functionality with the camera). I would be willing to bet there is an LED that isn't possible to disable without hardware hacking on v2.0. That would solve the #1 complaint about the device.

    2. Re:Shutter by atherophage · · Score: 1

      Or a bright red LED light, right in the centre when the cam is recording. Beyond that, make them cheap enough so no one is encouraged to steal them. And/or a remote wipe/kill switch such that if the glasses are stolen they are rendered useless. The police do not need another crime inducing gadget on their plate.

    3. Re:Shutter by nine-times · · Score: 1

      Or maybe something like a visible recording light? The way camcorders have a red light that shows it's recording?

      Yes, someone could potentially disable the light or put tape over it, but it would be something.

    4. Re:Shutter by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      There is a light on the current Glass but it is software controlled and can be disabled.

    5. Re:Shutter by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Make the cap bright orange and if it's bright enough to see someone wearing the device, they see that it's capped.

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    6. Re:Shutter by RyoShin · · Score: 1

      Why not something that rotates? Have it pointed down when not in use, but it rotates forward if you want. Not only does this make it easy to see if someone could be filming, it also allows someone to have it record in a different direction than they're looking while still freeing up hands, projecting the image onto a corner of the glasses. Imagine someone riding a bike having this pointed backwards so they can see if something is coming up without using awkward mirrors or having to look over their shoulder.

      If there's a motor small enough, it could rotate automatically into the downward position when not actively being used.

  11. Umm... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    A compelling use case, a way to use it without looking like a total glasshole, good battery life, no pictures of screaming Robert Scoble in the shower?

  12. Not being released, and not existing at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's what glassholes' glass will need to succeed. The idea behind that "product" is simply stupid, dangerous for people's privacy, and fundamentally vulgar.

    1. Re:Not being released, and not existing at all by internerdj · · Score: 1

      I'm very interested in the HUD portion provided it is light and provides useful information, but the camera isn't particularly useful for me and provides enough social backlash that I don't want the HUD because it has a camera.

  13. Just remove the camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    All Google needs to do is remove the camera. That way, it can still be used for notifications, searches of information and other overlays, and nobody needs to be worried about constantly being recorded. This reduces it to a simple HUD, but let's face it, everybody's smartphone is already a camera.

    1. Re:Just remove the camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps you aren't aware of the other intended uses for Glass.

      It's called "augmented reality". Now...I'm not defending Google, since I hate Glassholes too. But I have to give them credit for wanting to explore the uses of augmented reality.

      For example, your mechanic looks at your car's engine through Glass. The device overlays a diagram of the engine over his field of view, showing him what to do. Same example for surgeon. Wears Glass while cutting, Glass overlays a diagram of human anatomy (or other info pertinent to the surgeon) over the body he's viewing.

      My point is, Google's vision for the future of augmented reality depends on the camera filming reality in real time. So they're probably (IMHO) not going to come out with a version without the camera, otherwise it's just an fancy version of a smartwatch.

    2. Re:Just remove the camera by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      All Google needs to do is remove the camera. That way, it can still be used for notifications, searches of information and other overlays, and nobody needs to be worried about constantly being recorded. This reduces it to a simple HUD, but let's face it, everybody's smartphone is already a camera.

      Yes every smart phone already has a camera which leads to two points:

      1. Everyone should already be worried about being recorded because everyone already has a camera, one with enough battery power to be useful unlike Glass which eats through its abysmal battery like a fat chick with a happy meal.

      2. What use is a dumb HUD? Google Glass is best placed to become the first useful tool for augmented reality, and it's a damn sight cooler to be wearing a set of specks then holding out your phone at arms length and eye height

      Anyone who thinks they are being recorded by someone wearing Glass is pretty much guaranteed to be wrong about it. Unless you're in a fight or otherwise displaying antisocial behavior in which case yes you are being recorded, by the guy with Glass and the 20 people with cellphones, and likely a few security cameras too. Expect to end up on liveleak.com

    3. Re:Just remove the camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know that, in a strictly technical sense, we are already possibly being recorded by somebody. The point is that the market simply isn't ready to accept that coming from a Google Glass wearer. That's why Google needs to take it one step at a time.

      A lot of people, myself included, find a glasses-mounted HUD to be immeasurably useful, even if it lacked video, camera, and augmented reality functionality right now. The key is to foster public acceptance of optical head-mounted displays first. Then, when everybody starts using it, and finding uses for augmented reality, reintroduce the camera, but restrict it to AR applications, and request that users not hack it to record videos and images. THEN, after everyone's comfortable with using the camera for augmented reality functionality, reintroduce image and video recording. It's about building acceptance gradually and managing public perception. Even if we can do it today, it's not going anywhere if the public isn't ready for it.

    4. Re:Just remove the camera by discord5 · · Score: 1

      All Google needs to do is remove the camera. That way, it can still be used for notifications, searches of information and other overlays

      The only applications I can think of where glass might work as a useful item actually all use the camera to do computer vision kind of applications. The appeal suddenly immensely decreases if it's unable to do that since what is left is just another interface for my phone or PC to show me messages I can see elsewhere irrelevant of any context.

      An application I personally think would be useful is in large server environments. Imagine walking in to a serverroom and simply looking at a server to get a list of the name, IP addresses, its function, applications or virtual machines running on it, being able to view open (and perhaps closed) issues with the system. We already have plenty of software to view all that information with a browser, but it would be nice to have a way of viewing that sort of info just by looking at the server in question. Patch cabinets come to mind as well, etc etc.

      The last thing I want to do is use this sort of thing as yet another way to take pictures, keep track of my appointments, see if I've got mail, etc. I've got perfect things for that: a phone, a laptop, etc etc. I really don't need more devices to manage my mailbox, in fact I'd rather have less of them as my mailbox already consumes enough time of my day.

      Finally, I really don't want to go through everyday life wearing those things as I interact with people. For one shoving a camera in another persons face makes them quite uncomfortable, and wearing one on my face as I interact with people makes me kind of uncomfortable. I don't really see any practical use for glass in every day life. I don't want to read online reviews of the carton of milk I'm buying ("Very milky, 10/10, would drink again" -- xXxmilkmaster2kxXx), nor see recipes for lasagna when I'm buying tomatoes, not to mention how awesome it would be to see every bit of info in my field of vision scanned for possible advertisement opportunities.

      I think there's a lot of useful applications that lie in the realm of augmented reality, most of which you need a camera for to do computer vision type of stuff. But at the moment from what I gather Glass is underpowered CPU wise (and tbh, I didn't expect anything else) and has terrible battery life, so the sort of thing I hope to someday see is probably far off. Sadly, most of the types of applications I keep hearing are the same stuff I do with my phone, and I don't quite need that on my face to be honest.

  14. Don't boil the ocean, target specific markets by mykepredko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are a number of markets/professions where the Google Glass would be ideal (a big one that I keep reading about is aircraft maintenance, have drawings and manuals available on command in front of the technician's eyes).

    Rather than trying to come up with something that is designed for everybody on the planet, figure out who could get the most advantage out of it in the short term and, working with that demographic, develop the hardware, the UI and database operation and work with the users to understand exactly the human factors issues. A number of people indicated that the camera was the problem, but I suspect that there are much deeper issues that need to be addressed.

    Once you have become indispensable in one area, others applications will start becoming obvious and the product will seem less "creepy" and intrusive for other areas.

    myke

    1. Re:Don't boil the ocean, target specific markets by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      There are a number of markets/professions where the Google Glass would be ideal (a big one that I keep reading about is aircraft maintenance, have drawings and manuals available on command in front of the technician's eyes).

      The manuals thing applies to a lot more than aircraft maintenance. I'd have loved to have had something like that back in the Navy, for instance.

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    2. Re:Don't boil the ocean, target specific markets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are a number of markets/professions where the Google Glass would be ideal (a big one that I keep reading about is aircraft maintenance, have drawings and manuals available on command in front of the technician's eyes).

      Tablets and paper already do this.

    3. Re:Don't boil the ocean, target specific markets by kogut · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Tablets and paper already do this.

      Yes, but I can see plenty of scenarios where, say, you're on a ladder with a two-handed tool inside an airplane wing, and you want to double check a diagram. Instead of climbing back down the ladder, finding the right page, etc, you could just look at the diagram of a part while you're simultaneously looking at the actual part. With the tool still in your hand. Increases efficiency. Possibly reduces errors. (less need for memory to store information as you switch from a paper manual back to the task, since you can look at the task and the manual at almost the same time (just switching focus).

      That could be useful.

    4. Re:Don't boil the ocean, target specific markets by Marc_Hawke · · Score: 1

      I'd be willing to vote for this answer.
      The World(tm) is not 'ready' for a generic wearable computer. However, wearable computers are 'ready' to be a thing. Part of your 'start the workday' routine will be to put on your enhanced reality glasses/goggles. These become the telephone headset for the call-center employee, the manual/blueprints for the maintenance or construction worker, the map for the delivery driver, and even the playbook for the football player.

      Design/market Glass as a work tool that everyone uses every day because of its incredibly focused usefulness. Then, they won't be a weird thing for weird people, it'll be a familiar thing, and they'll want to use it all the time.

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    5. Re:Don't boil the ocean, target specific markets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Tablets and paper already do this."

      and they aren't hands free so you can hold a part and the tool to attach it to the vehicle.

      Please try to think before you type.

    6. Re:Don't boil the ocean, target specific markets by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The manuals thing applies to a lot more than aircraft maintenance. I'd have loved to have had something like that back in the Navy, for instance.

      I'd love to have something like that for working on cars in theory, but in practice the thing would die the death of a thousand dogs, amen, due to exposure to solvents, oil, and sweat.

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    7. Re:Don't boil the ocean, target specific markets by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Except it SUCKED for this. The screen was rubbish and it wasn't an overlay. Google glass would have taken off if you actually felt like it was useful for anything. It simply didn't feel like it was. I spent hours playing with one on a couple of occasions and I just came away from it saying meh.

      Full eye overlay, ie transparent screen. That is what it needed. Then you could have the camera recognise the parts. You are holding part #464521 check gap with feeler guage 2

  15. Do more, not the same by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop targeting Consumers first. Target the industrial sector instead, make them more resilient, bulkier (more obvious) and integrate programs to make these people's jobs easier to do, especially in human-only environments. Augmented reality is more use to business right now, go there first. Then let it trickle to users. Yes, Apple made the smartphone ubiquitous, but business made it necessary in the first place.

    Move to the proper target and let the marketplace ask to move it out of the workplace.

    Put in more apps, a better programming environment that ties into existing infrastructure for additional computing power, etc.

  16. Umm, be better than Hololens? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://techcrunch.com/2015/01/21/microsoft-hololens/

  17. a different userbase?

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  18. For me, a better box by willworkforbeer · · Score: 1

    Wrapped with shares of GOOG.

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  19. Battery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    According to a variety of reports, Google Glass has very bad battery runtime, only a couple of hours.

  20. Less Google, more cowbell by LessThanObvious · · Score: 2

    Less Google, more cowbell. I consider it a win for society that we are not just running out to buy gadgets to wear on our faces. It was an interesting experiment, but it doesn't belong in daily life. I can't rationally justify why it bothers me, but don't ever expect me to be OK with people walking around with those on their faces. I prefer to live in a camera free zone as much as possible and not be confronted with one strapped the the head of some jackass at Starbuck's.

    1. Re:Less Google, more cowbell by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      but don't ever expect me to be OK with people walking around with those on their faces.

      personally, i don't expect anything other than for you to mind your own business.

  21. A version for Runners by stedlj · · Score: 1

    Add GPS, drop the video and keep the weight to a minimum, run time of at least 5 hours. Display running data, distance, time, pace, etc... Add an option for ear phones and the runners will buy it...

  22. KILL THE CAMERA, KILL THE NERDYNESS by gurps_npc · · Score: 0
    1) If you point a camera at everything, you are just an paparazzi douchebag begging to be punched. It doesn't matter that cameras have become de-rigeur on other technology, this isn't other technology.

    2) Make it look like a REGULAR pair of glasses. Don't try to make it all Apple-chiq. There is a difference between a signature piece of technology that you take out to be cool, and something you are wearing all/most of the time. The first wearable tech should be unassuming and blend in, not stick out like a sore thumb.

    Now for the stuff you should add in that only a face worn PDA can/should have. A) Project to both eyes for real 3D displays

    B) Monitor your eyes. Not only should blinking be a command, but a solid camera pointed at your eyeball should be able to detect health issues.

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  23. Better celebrity adoption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that is, someone other than Jason Belmonte needs to wear the next version on TV doing something other than bowling.

  24. milspec it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Focus on things like HUD's for combat armor, and let the tech mature a bit. I have a feeling they could do a lot more if they integrate it into helmets rather than glasses first.

  25. A Cyrano de Bergerac app by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    It should show us sentences to say to the girl in front of us and analyzing her response and microfacial expressions and adapt the responses accordingly.

    Otherwise the nerds will never get laid.

    1. Re:A Cyrano de Bergerac app by QilessQi · · Score: 1

      Actually, such an app would be really useful for those people on the autistic spectrum who have difficult reading facial expressions. It could help them tremendously with socialization.

    2. Re:A Cyrano de Bergerac app by kogut · · Score: 1

      It should show us sentences to say to the girl in front of us and analyzing her response and microfacial expressions and adapt the responses accordingly.

      Otherwise the nerds will never get laid.

      Google: Probability: 0.0%

      Nerd: Sumbitch! Not again.

    3. Re:A Cyrano de Bergerac app by blackomegax · · Score: 2

      Yeah I would kill for such an app.

    4. Re:A Cyrano de Bergerac app by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

      Yeah I would kill for such an app.

      Sounds like this app would be very helpful then.

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  26. Usefulness? by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    There aren't really many applications for it beyond professional design or perhaps firemen using it for imaging when they can't see beyond smoke, etc... Just niche applications so far. Perhaps a steep price drop could spur adoption and then the applications would emerge.

    1. Re:Usefulness? by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      you need to go check out the latest google translate. point your camera at any text and instantly translate it into 8+ languages in real time.

  27. Well first, it has to be unnoticeable. by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Preferably in black, unstylish eyeglass frames.

    I don't want to advertise the fact that I'm wearing this thing. Google geeks may think it's the coolest status symbol ever. I don't. And I don't care. I want to use the map feature, get the weather report.

    Yes, I know it can give me automatic Yelp reports, tell me who and what's around, get me dates, show me movies and deliver specs on my computer by looking.

    I could care less. I'll use the maps. And the weather. Maybe news, if I'm waiting for a bus. If they want me to buy it, it has to be cheap and boring.

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    1. Re:Well first, it has to be unnoticeable. by QilessQi · · Score: 1

      Agreed, but I'd go even further: it has to be available in so many different styles of frames -- all of which are plausibly "ordinary", and *none* of which are branded as "Google Glass" -- that people simply give up on trying to figure out whether any given eyeglass wearer has Google glass built in.

      Yes, this would open the doors to adoption by a lot of creeps, but it seems pretty inevitable. And the creeps can film you with hidden cameras right now anyway. :-(

    2. Re:Well first, it has to be unnoticeable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I could care less

      I think you mean "I couldn't care less". To say that you could care less implies that you actually do care about the topic being referenced.

    3. Re:Well first, it has to be unnoticeable. by wasteoid · · Score: 1

      If Google Glass can get you or other users dates, then I think you have a winner product.

    4. Re:Well first, it has to be unnoticeable. by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

      Google Tinder. C'mon, you know it'll be one of the first apps developed.

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    5. Re:Well first, it has to be unnoticeable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe he was correctly using the expression; don't fix what ain't broken

    6. Re:Well first, it has to be unnoticeable. by strikethree · · Score: 1

      I'll use the maps. And the weather.

      Why not something like this: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi...

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  28. HoloLens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why this? I'd rather have an article on the MS Hololens.

    1. Re:HoloLens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly... wtf is this question doing here right now instead of an article about the pretty slick device MS just unveiled 3 hours ago?

  29. Cognitive Dissonance by onkelonkel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The cognitive dissonance in the posts today is amazing. (A lot of plain old stupid too).
     
    There are cameras in every bar and restaurant filming you all the time. But nobody will acknowledge this fact. If they did, they would have to a) accept that they are ok with being filmed and that they are being total hypocrites about google glass, b) decide that it is not ok and not go to bars and restaurants any more.
     
    The guy with the Google glass may or may not be filmiing you. The restaurant certainly is, and every person in the the place has a smart phone with a camera. If I hold my phone up at face height am I taking a selfie or filming you?
     
    But we all hate to accept uncomfortable truths about ourselves, so we will deflect our mental stress on someone else. Lets de-humanize them first. They are not a person with smart glasses, they are a "Glasshole", and therefore we can punch them. You guys make me sick sometimes.

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    1. Re:Cognitive Dissonance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " If I hold my phone up at face height am I taking a selfie or filming you? "

      If you can see my fist coming at your face, you are filming me!

      I think holding up your phone to take a picture or film someone is creepy and rude. "Public" filming like in restaurants and such is not the same in my opinion because I don't feel personally exposed by it. Nobody will probably see the footage anyway (assuming security camera). If someone is purposefully filming me, there is a "I'm taking your picture for personal use... later... tonight" feel to it that makes it call creepy!

    2. Re:Cognitive Dissonance by bws111 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Sorry, but you are the one with the cognitive dissonance. A restaurant filming me does not bother me at all. Why? Because they don't do anything with it other than in the case of a crime. Show me a restaurant or bar that posts images and videos to the internet, and I will show you a business that is not long for this world.

      If you can't tell the difference between someone taking a selfie and someone taking a picture of others that is your problem, don't assume everyone else has the same difficulty.

    3. Re:Cognitive Dissonance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly spot on.

      If I could bother with making a /. account I'd mod you up.

    4. Re:Cognitive Dissonance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you don't really go to any bars or restaurants.

      One of the reasons to go to a bar is to be seen. Many bars employ photographers to wander through the crowd taking photos, even candids! and post them to the internet. Usually with a logo for the bar or the photographer. These photos are relatively easy to find. Look for a FB or Instagram account for a local place.

      Your argument fails. You failed.

    5. Re:Cognitive Dissonance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This thread is full of people paid to steer public opinion.

      The few and powerful have access to all these recordings. This gives them an advantage over their fellow man.

      If this access becomes ubiquitous, their advantage will be significantly reduced.

      Similarly, it doesn't matter if the average person doesn't really care, if you control the media, you can find that one weird bar owner who makes a scene about "Glassholes" and elevate him on a podium and make it seem like he defines social norms when really, he doesn't.

      Clinging to the privacy you don't really have is in the interests of those who are already watching you and don't want you watching them in return. No one else.

    6. Re:Cognitive Dissonance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You probably are not aware of this yet, but there are many, many, places that are not college meat markets. Those places do not go posting pictures of their customers without permission. Try not to be such an idiot.

    7. Re:Cognitive Dissonance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://sunsetsxm.com/index.php/webcam

      20+ yrs and counting.

    8. Re: Cognitive Dissonance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have never in my life been to a bar that does this.

    9. Re:Cognitive Dissonance by Imazalil · · Score: 1

      If I go to a bar, take out my phone and start taking photos of other patrons as I'm walking around you bet people will get in my face. Most people would certainly call me an asshole. I could even just be holding a completely-powered-down phone while doing this and people would still have a problem.

      If I am in the same bar taking photos of my fancy girly drink or my friends no one will care. People will notice, but not care.

      So, people don't have a problem with cameras, they have a problem with cameras in their face. Google glass falls into the 'in your face' category.

      PS - Yes, everyone does know that there are security cameras everywhere.

    10. Re:Cognitive Dissonance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      http://www.hogsbreath.com/keywest/index.php/hog-cam-bar-cam/

      http://gobefore.me/cams/

      Google...it makes you not an idiot.

    11. Re:Cognitive Dissonance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a big difference between a security camera monitoring the entire premises in event of a crime vs someone effectively sticking a camcorder in your face like they're interviewing everyone in their path.

    12. Re:Cognitive Dissonance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's the difference in who owns the video being taken. For the surveillance video, it's the restaurant, of which you're a paying customer. For Glass, it's some random person with whom you have no relationship, who may do whatever they want with the video.

    13. Re:Cognitive Dissonance by Princeofcups · · Score: 1

      The cognitive dissonance in the posts today is amazing. (A lot of plain old stupid too).

      There are cameras in every bar and restaurant filming you all the time. But nobody will acknowledge this fact. If they did, they would have to a) accept that they are ok with being filmed and that they are being total hypocrites about google glass, b) decide that it is not ok and not go to bars and restaurants any more.

      The guy with the Google glass may or may not be filmiing you. The restaurant certainly is, and every person in the the place has a smart phone with a camera. If I hold my phone up at face height am I taking a selfie or filming you?

      But we all hate to accept uncomfortable truths about ourselves, so we will deflect our mental stress on someone else. Lets de-humanize them first. They are not a person with smart glasses, they are a "Glasshole", and therefore we can punch them. You guys make me sick sometimes.

      There is a very simple saying that covers this. Two wrongs do not make a right.

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    14. Re:Cognitive Dissonance by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      A restaurant filming me does not bother me at all. Why? Because they don't do anything with it other than in the case of a crime.

      seriously? how do you think all of the celebrity footage gets released? sort of like the film of Jay Z getting punched by his sister in law (or whatever it was) in the elevator?

      the reason why nothing gets done with security footage of you is that nobody gives a crap about you. google glass won't change that.

    15. Re:Cognitive Dissonance by Woadan · · Score: 1

      You can't take a very good selfie with the Glass device. Well, maybe if you are looking in a mirror. But then in that case, I'm obviously not taking a picture of you.

      It's also obvious when you're taking a picture or shooting a short video with a Glass device. (Or, at the least, that you're doing something with it.)

      I think it's a little arrogant for anyone to assume that someone with a Glass device must obviously be taking pictures with it. And it's even more arrogant to presume that if I'm taking a picture, it's of you.

      (shrug)

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    16. Re:Cognitive Dissonance by germansausage · · Score: 1

      You diidn't answer the question. Are you just going to punch anyone near you who holds up a phone, when you don't know if they are filming you or not?

    17. Re:Cognitive Dissonance by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If I was filming you, you're in court facing assault and battery charges.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  30. Actual augmented reality by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1

    There is a potential userbase for augmented reality devices. But what those potential users expect is an full field of vision display that responds to head & eye movement in real time. A smart phone monocle just isn't going to cut it.

  31. Integrate EEG functionality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The worst thing about Google Glass is the voice command interface. People shouldn't be able to listen in on the commands you're issuing to the machine. Integrate some kind of an EEG for basic neural input.

    Also, set it up so there's an indicator light that subtly indicates to anyone nearby when the Glass is recording. Assuming people don't hack Glass 2.0 to remove (or subvert) the indicator, you're fine.

    Finally, take all the control logic off the glass structure itself and move it to a fanny pack or some other wearable accessory. Trying to fit that much computing power in the glasses themselves makes them bulky and awkward.

  32. Invisible by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 1

    Needs to be 100% invisible, the stigma of wearing one of those things was just intense.

    1. Re:Invisible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it has something to do with the camera being next to the eyes and almost invisible. I've seen people at the beach or park with go-pros on their helmets. Or in the park with a go-pro on their walking stick, or riding their bike to the grocery store with a go-pro on the bike, and on their helmet and strapped to their chest. They walk around without anyone mentioning anything.

  33. Solving problems no one has by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Stop trying (for now) to make it into a product for the general consumer. Focus on industrial uses to develop the technology. Work instructions, stock picking, etc. Keep working on shrinking the product down further.

    As a consumer item this suffers from several problems.
    1) It's still bulky, conspicuous and not attractive. Fashion matters like it or not.
    2) People don't like talking to their devices out loud unless it is a phone call to another person. Yes some people are ok with it (see Siri) but you rarely see it in the real world. I REALLY do not want to walk around saying "Ok Google" constantly. I honestly don't think I've seen anyone use Siri in public ever.
    3) It doesn't really solve most problems people have better than a smartphone already does. How often do your really truly need a screen in view at all times? For most people the answer is seldom. There are very very few use cases in real life where google glass provides a real world advantage of a smartphone.
    4) Glasses are not so terribly comfortable. I wore them for 17 year (until lasik) and have NO interest in wearing them again unless I absolutely must.
    5) Voice interfaces are coming along but still quite unreliable.

  34. Re:Well first, unnoticeable for the CIA by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

    FBI, CIA and 50 other government agencies need this to spy on the citizens that don't trust them.

  35. An Offline Mode by gman003 · · Score: 3

    I've already given more data to Google than I would like. I'm not buying Glass unless I can use it as MY device, not theirs. No uploading shit to the cloud. No monitoring my location or what I look at or what apps I use.

    I'm not worried about people recording me with Glass. I actually think that could do more good than harm (mainly by recording police). So I'd be recording anything I think interesting (fortunately for you all, I find humans incredibly dull). But those recordings would have to remain MINE, under MY control.

  36. A free Google(R) brand anti-glass device. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A Google(R) brand anti-Google Glass(R) device will create a 10' hole in space within Google Glass' field of view. The user of Google Glass will be able to see the subject, but Google Glass will not record the subject or respond to any queries about the subject. This device must be freely available, handed out like take-a-penny-leave-a-penny at convenience stores. Then Google Glass might be accepted. I thought I'd be okay with Google Glass until some hipster walked into my office with a pair on. Got me agitated quickly.

  37. Less creepiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There appears to be a huge physiological difference between fixed cameras and Google Glasses. I have speculated that it may trigger alarming predator/prey response in the brain that says "Hey somebody is watching you!!!!". Anyways some people just want to point out how illogical it is that you find it "creepy". I suspect that if we understood the human brain better we would find that the "creepy" response is quite natural.

    By analogy If I was to scream at the top of my lungs everyone would find it very annoying and possibly even become quite angry. If I just point out that is just "sound waves" and I am not touching you so what the heck is there problem and they go to sports games and rock concerts all the time and there is more noise. So obviously if they cannot tolerate a little yelling then they are stupid hypocritical assholes. /S

  38. Stop hobbling it? by jandrese · · Score: 1

    A few things come to mind.
    The first is the price tag. $1500 is a laughable sum for a consumer electronics toy that doesn't have a clear niche.
    Another is artificially restricting what it can do. One of the killer features for Glass could be facial recognition that floats someone's name over them. No more awkwardly trying to remember someone's name that you met earlier at the party.
    The battery life was also apparently quite bad, as was the performance of the device. Not a surprise given the form factor, but this needs to be addressed.
    I want it to be powerful enough that it can do everything locally and not have to phone lots of info back to Google to get work done. People would be a lot less freaked out about the camera if the data couldn't be exported from the device.

    Google glass was ahead of its time IMHO. The technology wasn't there to make it work properly, and everybody fixated on the camera so much that it was hard to see anything else about it. However, the Camera is necessary for the device to be more than a smartwatch that looks even more dumb. Augmented reality is the killer feature for glass and you can't do that without a camera.

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  39. A case in which the glasses are stored !!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Along with a case, the user needs the good judgement to know when
    to put the things in the case when you are in a place where others will not like
    even the possibility of being on video. Telling people "it's turned off"
    is NOT going to cut it. Show some respect and put the things AWAY
    when it is a good idea to do so. Otherwise, expect trouble. The problem
    with that is you don't get to pick how much trouble you get, and it might
    be a whole lot more than you'd like.

  40. Nothing Say Killjoy Like Obvivious Face Camera Guy by TrollstonButterbeans · · Score: 1

    And then you have questions about obvious face camera guy:
    1) Is he a dork that likes those kind of things?
    2) Is he insurgent disruptive attention whore that likes the problems caused by his presence?
    3) Is he an idiot that "Thinks Differently" in way you do not particularly care for?

    The product is socially flawed to begin with, and ahead of its time like the idea of touchscreens in the 1990s.

    The technology is not here yet to do this conspicuously. Give it 15 years and then it will be done right.

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  41. The Obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    1) Discrete physical design.

    2) Compatible with prescription lenses.

    3) Reasonable Battery Life

    4) Well under $500. If they can price it around $200, they will sell, sell, sell...

  42. I don't get it by morgauxo · · Score: 1

    I don't get it. What the F... are they doing?

    They release Glass.. at a rediculous price for early developers to check it out.

    They got a bunch of negative attention because people feared the camera. (Lions Tigers, Bears and Cameras, Oh My)

    Everyone talks about it like it was a failure to sell.

    They start looking for how to make version 2 sell like version 1 didn't.

    But... they never even tried to sell it at a normal price? Right? That "explorer" price wasnt supposed to be anywhere near representative of Glass's price as a real product right?

    So what if a very vocal number of people keep talking about how much they hate it? Any attention is attention. Maybe there are enough of us who WOULD buy it if it were at a reasonable price. Maybe the naysayers rants just keep reminding us how much we want one! Free marketing!

    Or maybe that's just me. I don't see how they can know anything about sales when it has only ever been offered for $1,500! Who the F buys a toy like that for $1500?!?

    Generation 1 should be old news now, having been sold for something like $200 to $250. Generation 2 should be almost out and people like me who will never spend the money for a device that will be obsolete in a year should be chomping at the bit to go buy a gen 1 for $50 or so soon.

    Or is $1500 really what it costs to make and sell a device like that? Is the tech required still that expensive? If so then they should give up. And.. the rest of us should go through eggs at Google headquarters for producing (and I assume patenting) something so far ahead of it's time that in a few years when the components ARE available for a reasonable price nobody can/will produce it b/c the one company which now hogs all the IP marketed too soon, lost money and is now afraid to try again!

    1. Re:I don't get it by morgauxo · · Score: 1

      If they really want version 2 to sell...

      Start mass producing some sort of cheapie glass-like thing under a different name out of China. Make it work but buggy enough to be slightly annoying. Make so many, so cheap that they are all over the place.

          Let the Glass shy AHoles wine, complain and in some cases start bar fights because they get mad every time they see one. Give it a year or two for the AHoles to burn themselves out and go find a different cause to baby on about.

          Then, when everyone is used to the cameras being around... finally Google comes out with a well refined, not-sucking Glass 2 and nobody is worried because OMG IT HAS A CAMERA! They are already used to that.

    2. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They didn't know what they were doing. It was just a privately funded science project that got over hyped. Same goes for sugar detecting contact lenses and cancer cures.

      Yes.. $1500 really for a device like that unless you hobble it with low res display, low res camera, etc etc. The only way it gets cheaper is with dedicated hardware... that is whole chips designed specifically for that device. That's not going to happen unless there's a verified market.

      Problem is there was no real killer app that needed it. It would be one thing if there was an overlay when the device augments your vision of the surroundings (automagically translating signs) for instance... outlining the carburetor of your car in red when you were fixing it... etc etc. That's the hype. But the reality is you have to look up and to the right.. defocus from what you're looking at, interact with a small screen, and futz with a small trackpad on the side of your head. Do whatever you were doing and then look back at the world.

      If you've ever been talking to some and then he/she starts looking at her phone in mid conversation then you'll get it. You're talking to someone and then his/her eyes go to the top left and starts jerking around (saccades)..... Is he having a seizure or is he not listening to you anymore? It's not augmenting anything.. it's interfering.

      Show me a device that will outline a person I'm looking at and pops up the text "Bob Samwise" on top of him and we'll be talking. I'm sure that'll happen eventually but not yet.

    3. Re:I don't get it by TheSync · · Score: 1

      Start mass producing some sort of cheapie glass-like thing under a different name out of China.

      I saw one at CES 2015!

    4. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Show me a device that will outline a person I'm looking at and pops up the text "Bob Samwise" on top of him and we'll be talking. I'm sure that'll happen eventually but not yet.

      Sony demoed just that at CES.

  43. Price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What do you mean "besides costing less"? It's really that simple. Google Glass would actually catch on they it needs to be in the sub-$200 price range

  44. Observations from being a glass explorer. by Darth+Muffin · · Score: 5, Informative

    My wife was a glass "explorer" and bought one, so I've got to try it some and watched her use it. Problems that I see are:
    - Poor battery life
    - Slow processor (what people really want to do with this is like augmented reality, and it's not quite got the horsepower)
    - Lack of any apps that do something useful to most people that you can't do with a standard android device (just a gimmick at this point).
    - Small and low-res screen, can't fit much useful info on it.
    - Fragile

    Honestly, the dorky looks and people freaking out because of privacy issues weren't an issue that we saw.
    Most of the "explorers" are pretty mad that they spent $1500 to be abandoned. Google should at least offer a seriously discounted trade-up to the release model for them, but there is no talk of that. I doubt most explorers will buy it again.

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    1. Re:Observations from being a glass explorer. by Matheus · · Score: 1

      My number one reason that it wasn't for me? Price. $1500 is more than I was willing to spend for what it had to offer.

      SO I never got to your list of what was wrong with it. If it needs to have my smart phone around for functionality (can't honestly remember) then I wouldn't spend more than $300 on it. If it can completely operate stand-alone then I'd put it in my high-end smart phone range of maybe a $800 cap assuming it had comparable specs.

      After checking out Microsoft's forthcoming (someday) Hololens demo I would be disappointed if anything like Glass didn't have all of the same capabilities as it does. If it can't truly augment my world then it's not where it needs to be to get my $ at this point. Not saying MS's product is perfect either but it has set the concept bar up a notch that I really don't see Glass 1.0 living up to.

    2. Re:Observations from being a glass explorer. by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      the dorky looks and people freaking out because of privacy issues weren't an issue that we saw.

      Because whenever I saw someone with Glass on their face, I avoided being in their eyeline. Apparently, I should have walked up to them and said 'Stop wearing a camera that in two years is going to live-stream your life, but more importantly, my life anytime we cross paths to Google, you fucking ninny. '

      Seriously, you mentioned the things that bothered you. But the vast majority of people you bothered just got creeped out and avoided you.

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    3. Re:Observations from being a glass explorer. by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      I will also add.

      Clunky interface. I found the way of interacting with the glasses more difficult then I expected. The screen was also a big disapointment for me. Not sure what I was expecting but an opaque little black rectangle wasn't what I wanted. The lag and the delay when you used it was also a killer.

      The biggest thing was that I couldn't come up with a usage case that was worth wearing them for so I never wore them out.

      For me I would want a full eye transparent overlay. I would love to be able to pick up a Japanese menu and have it overlay the english over it. Or have a GPS map overlayed over the road I was seeing. The recording stuff, couldn't care less about.

      Other useful things would be, range finder, facial recognition, text recognition that gave you links to more information that sort of thing.

    4. Re:Observations from being a glass explorer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Honestly, the dorky looks and people freaking out because of privacy issues weren't an issue that we saw.

      Oh, really? I'm afraid that this glasshole had a slightly different experience:
      http://tech.slashdot.org/story...

      And that's just one out of many similar news stories.

      Most of the "explorers" are pretty mad that they spent $1500 to be abandoned. Google should at least offer a seriously discounted trade-up to the release model for them, but there is no talk of that. I doubt most explorers will buy it again.

      Nobody cares, probably there will be no "release model" at all. The project was killed, even if google's PR are trying to call it differently.

    5. Re:Observations from being a glass explorer. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Most of the "explorers" are pretty mad that they spent $1500 to be abandoned
      Then they are fucking morons. What the shit did you think it was? You were paying big dollars to get a PoS gen 1 prototype toy. If you wanted a cheap, stable version, you should have waited. being mad at Google because you're stupid, impulsive, and have no self control is idiotic.

    6. Re:Observations from being a glass explorer. by fxsoap · · Score: 1

      Shoot, I missed that when posting! Cost! Cost, Cost! Thanks for adding that.

  45. It can't, cancel the product & come back to i by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google's bar for its internally developed minimal viable product is usually pretty low. That's fine when something is free, and it's purpose is to devalue the competing products in a market, and acquire data for Google to sell advertising. (Some of the stuff they bought in, like Android, Nest and Maps had higher production values early)

    The free gift to listen to a timeshare sales pitch, or the promotional swag from a stand at a conference isn't that great either, but it's free, and it might be good enough for a while to use.

    The key early adopter markets for HUD/wearable tech are not likely to be as tolerant of these characteristics :

    - military likes a HUD , but it's a niche market , with rigid specs and high expectations of ruggedisation

    - police and other elements of emergency services have similar needs

    - maintenance workers & technicians (this includes doctors, as they are just biomechanics)

    - athletes

    It all gets a bit thin after that.
    eg my parents have no use for a HUD, and neither does the vast majority of the population

    So you have a product that fills a number of niche needs, but to fit into the Googlesphere needs to fuel or facilitate the advertising engine, which means it has to be mass market.

    If they pull the camera , it becomes more like Recon HUD (which is pitched at athletes in triathlon, cycling & snow sports)

    It's basically like the Apple Newton : imperfect tech, both cool & worthy of ridicule , whose users outside of certain niche markets were some combination of elitist arseholes or über geeks. Give it 10 years and it might be able to emerge from the ashes like iPhone & iPad, because the enabling tech has hit the the right combination of enabling capability, and society in general accepts the product concept better.

    Glass is a great example of something that only makes sense as a mass market product in the vacuum of SF & Silicon Valley.

  46. No Camera? by rockmuelle · · Score: 1

    How about just remove the camera? That's the creepiest part of Google Glass.

    I'm all for exploring the potential of having a display in my line of site for getting information on demand or for AR applications. You don't need a camera for either of those. For AR, the GPS in the phone gives you position, accelerometers in the headset give you orientation, and public database of roads and buildings gives the apps spatial awareness. If you want to be able to highlight people or cars, they could 'opt in' to a location sharing feature that publishes their coordinates.

    Battery life would probably be much better w/o the camera as well.

    -Chris

    1. Re:No Camera? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They won't remove the camera because that's precisely the feature the glassholes want.

  47. Same as other products by nine-times · · Score: 1

    I think sometimes, when it comes to computing/technology, people forget that there are some common things that make products popular. For example, it's great if it lets me do something that I would like to do, but which I otherwise cannot do (or it would be difficult to do). For example, smartphones are great because they allow me to check my email, look something up on a website, or look up an address and get turn-by-turn directions. When it comes to smart watches, Google Glass, or other "wearables", the benefit is less clear to me. What does it allow me to do that I can't do on my cell phone?

    And keep in mind that the answer to such a question should be something I actually might want to do. It shouldn't be something obscure or with limited appeal (e.g. "I use my Google Glass all the time, because I like to shoot a video blog while rock climbing, and I need it to be hands-free!" might be good for you, but that's not a use most people will appreciate), and it also shouldn't be a gimmicky thing that you might use once to try it out, and then never again (e.g. "This NFC on my phone is great! I can bump phones with someone to give them a copy of a music playlist!")

    The other quality that great products have, aside from a genuinely useful feature set, is a relative lack of drawbacks. Seems obvious, I know, but it's something that a lot of people seem to miss. In the case of Google Glass (or other "wearables"), you have to look at how obtrusive and obvious it is that you're wearing one. Having a block of electronics on your face potentially looks dumb. Having something in front of your eye means potentially blocking vision, and just as importantly, interfering with making eye contact with people. Plus, there are issues like, "How often do I need to charge it?" or "Is it comfortable to wear, or does it put pressure on my ear in a way that I don't like?" These things don't necessarily keep people from adopting new products, but it does increase the threshold of usefulness that the feature set must present.

    So if you're asking what it for the Google Glass to become a success, I would say that Google Glass would have to present a compelling feature set capable of overcoming the drawbacks. Again, sorry for being obvious, but that's the answer. And by "feature set", I don't mean "a fast processor" or "a lot of RAM", but possible uses that would actually help me in some way. Or to put it another way:

    I think wearing Google Glass will make me look like a jackass. Tell me what I can do with it that's good enough to make me willing to look like a jackass, or else redesign it so that I don' t look like a jackass, and then I'll consider getting one.

  48. Shelf Space by Russ1642 · · Score: 1

    It needs B&M store shelf space. Put some marketing force behind it, maybe even TV and YouTube ads.

  49. Easy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    customers

  50. Simple steps to fix Glass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Make the design more consistent and seamless by spreading the surface area of the batter to both ears.

    The current batter and other hardware is isolated to one side of the face. This decision has led to the right-oriented design that just seems to stand out and tell people that what you're wearing are not real glasses but something strange. Make the left side mirror the right and the design will be larger glasses but more consistently like glasses.

    2. Make the battery thinner so that the Glasses stems can be thinner.
    Streamlines design and reduces weight. The greater surface area should improve overall battery life.

    3. Provide a "recording is on" led light
    Provides visual indication that the device is recording and an easy answer to the question of are your recording me.

    4. Blend camera lens into design
    Don't hide it, don't remove it but make it fit within the design somehow so that it doesn't look so alien.

  51. Have MSFT release something worse by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Oh.

    Wait.

    Mission Accomplished, Glassholes!

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  52. Not look stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not look so utterly stupid!!!!

  53. It'll look like a watch. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google has done it before: purchase something (Android), realize that the competition (Apple) is leaving you in the dust; then a few short months after Android is first demo'ed looking like a Blackberry, release iPhone look-alikes.

    My guess - Google's going to double down on Gwatches, or some other foolishness, because they've had fuck-all success with glasses.

  54. FTFY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look at it more like a personal fleshlight. Why shouldn't people be able to masturbate their personal genitals in public? Why does that offend you to the point of restricting a new technology? You're a flat out luddite. Sure if you don't like it, leave, but you should just accept it as a fact of life in the future.

    1. Re:FTFY by blackomegax · · Score: 1

      I'd be okay with that, but I'm fairly libertarian.

  55. Not Augmented Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google Glass is nowhere near offering augmented reality (adding information on top of the world I'm looking at). It's a second screen, way way off from where I'm looking.

    There are other companies making augmented reality headsets if that's what you really want to talk about.

  56. X-Ray vision by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    It needs X-Ray vision to virtually take off women's clothes.

  57. google glasses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    90% cheaper is a good start.

  58. Let me OWN it by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Open APIs, full specs. As long as it reeks of Google surveillance, no geek will touch it with a ten foot pole. And, let's face it, it's a geek toy.

    I want a HMD. I have wanted one for over a decade. I have even invested quite a bit of dough into developing my own, that's how desperately I want one. But I want it to be MINE. To use and connect as I please. With the certainty that it will only produce the data I want and only transmit it where I want it.

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  59. "Many Bars" by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    " Many bars employ photographers to wander through the crowd taking photos"

    Name one, that is not in South Florida, with a Girls Gone Wild truck parked out front.

    What I *can* see happening in "Many Bars" is a photographer first being assaulted and then being ejected for taking random photos of everyone there.

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    1. Re:"Many Bars" by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Really? God even my local PUB employees a photographer to take pictures on a regular basis. They have a whole section on their webpage where you can see all the action photos from the last friday night...

    2. Re:"Many Bars" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can name six in Portland, Oregon that do this. That's without trying.

      You obviously aren't in any crowd worth being noticed.

  60. Worst Example Ever by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    1) Most of the patrons in the bar are under canopies, out of view of the camera.

    2) The camera is positioned explicitly so pretty much all the people you would be able to see - you are looking at their backs.

    3) That camera is obviously about the view FROM the bar, not about the people there.

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  61. Step it up by shaitand · · Score: 1

    No, don't discount the importance of lower pricing. Any lower pricing they'd feasibly offer would still be quite expensive.

    I need use cases. I need killer apps. I need the flavor of killer apps that let me build customized functionality without actually having to build apps. Most essentially, I need to know nothing I look at goes to Google.

    People unreasonably worry about glass wearers recording them. I'm far far more concerned about Google recording via glass. I'm worried about data mining, I'm worried about facial recognition. Imagine this day. Your workplace issues glass devices for everyone. You step outside the office to have a private conversation in the parking lot. You've been a good drone on paper and face to face but criticize your direct report to some of your peers during the conversation and admit your frustration. You indicate you might start looking for something else. The next day your boss who has been monitoring your feed thinks you are buried and finally wants you to train up someone to assist you. You think, omg, finally, recognition and with that you aren't so eager to bail. Just as your help gets up to speed and there is light at the end of the tunnel they find some unrelated excuse and can you because you've just trained your replacement.

    Frankly, I wouldn't be any happier about the data being used to assist "law enforcement", "catch terrorists", allow parents to monitor and "protect" their children, or "catch cheating spouses" either. I certainly wouldn't be happy if my wife was feeling frisky in a dark corner on the boardwalk and some bored night shift admin at google captured the clip and uploaded it to the web either.

  62. Simple by Swampash · · Score: 1

    For Google Glass to succeed it needs to not be Glass, and not be by Google.

  63. To answer the question being posed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In order to be not only accetable but an awesomely useful device the GG 2.0 should be:

    * Predominately be only for display and gesture input and would need to be paired with a phone for processing, running apps, etc. which transmits the display output back to the screens.
    * No video camera or microphone - no glassholes.
    * Better resolution display and viewable area.
    * Much, much better battery life.
    * Dual transparent displays that can be used as a separate screens or combined as a single screen.
    * Comes without frames so that it can be snapped on to any set of prescription glasses.
    * Gesture based interface - great way to control the UI.
    * Infrared camera that can only be used for gesture detection. Gesture detection built into hardware without it being possible to transfer the images outside of the chip - only gesture results get out.
    * Sound would be via regular earbuds (plugged into phone) or Bluetooth headsets (paired with phone). This is simillar to some smartwatches that exist today with the added bonus that even covert sound recording would be hard to achieve.

    Note: I don't know how much of this is even possible or feasible but I would buy this and I imagine many would find uses for such a device.

    My belief is that Google would never build and sell such a device because it does not capture the real world data that Google is really interested in.
    My hope though is that a company that not so focused in gathering real world data would find it a compelling product to build and sell.

  64. No Mass Market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, there's just no mass market for Glass. I don't think that even with a killer app people who don't wear glasses are going to suddenly rush out and buy glasses so they have any functionality Glass can give them. Even people who are forced to wear glasses for clarity of vision and cannot wear contacts (like myself) wish like Hell they didn't have to wear glasses. The whole concept just doesn't have mass market appeal. As has been stated there are niche application areas where this device could be used very successfully, e.g., doctors, mechanics, technicians that deal with schematics or procedural tasks, but I don't see it ever being used beyond that.

    There are tons of ideas that are developed every year that look good on paper, have practical uses, but will just never be a mass market product. Google Glass is the current highly visible one of these ideas. Sounds good on paper, but just won't make it to the masses.

  65. What Will Google Glass 2.0 Need To Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ongoing and persistent articles everywhere about how *IT* will succeed...somehow?

  66. Google Glass For Business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about Google Glass and Glapps for business? Let's start using the technology to support business processes. I could think of hundreds..... I'm sure you could as well.... just about any line of business from retail, to manufacturing, to writing and composing, to taxi drivers, to machine techs....etc, etc..... could use some form of visual augmentation to assist, support and enhance human interaction with business processes. The 'bar/restaurant recording' debate is moot. Your expectation of 'public privacy' was relinquished many years ago. Camera or no camera, it doesn't matter. Augmenting human visual capabilities is at the core of Google Glass. I have never owned or even tried a pair and when I went looking to buy this evening, I came across this debate and wished to add my interest and perception of the technology. Whether Google continues down this path or not, someone else will. The benefits of this technology far outweigh the perceived shortcomings. We will have acceptable, reliable and credible human visual augmentation. The question is by whom and when.

  67. Doctor Evil says by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ..I have already patented that idea with Sharks with Frickin lasers!

  68. you are all idiots by Dr+Max · · Score: 1

    We don't really care about the camera, other than its drama all the news people can carry on about. Its the form factor that is the problem; having one stupid little lens in the corner of your eye that you can fit barely any information on it is useless. Give us holodeck like AR/VR (dual see through lenses) and people wont care about the camera, just like they don't care that your smartphone has a camera on it, because of all the awesome stuff you can do with it.

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  69. A little humility would help. by westlake · · Score: 1
    Google clearly didn't anticipate the class and cultural conflicts that define the Glasshole.

    The geek who thinks he is riding The Wave of The Future and pulling the rest of the world along with him, like it or not, is a very big part of the problem.

    1 The frame should be easily folded and pocketed like any ordinary pair of glasses.

    I spent the strangest of Christmases lit by the glow of the cell phone and tablet --- --- an obsession with the gadget so strong it destroyed any sense of a dinner with family and friends.

    2 The geek will want a next-generation Glass with HD displays and cameras, front and rear facing, night vision, more sensitive microphones, better battery life, gigabytes of storage, unrestricted apps, including facial recognition with Internet connectivity, etc., etc., etc.

    None of that is going to happen in the consumer market until the issues of privacy and respect for others are resolved first --- and hiding behind the geek's favorite legalisms ---"public space!"--- and memes like "Privacy is dead!" will bury Glass six feet under with no hope of resurrection.

    The camera must remain visible. There can be no doubt when it is in use.

    I would be very strongly tempted to insist on a warning when the audio and video feed is being streamed to the net or being interpreted --- augmented --- by internal or external apps.

    3 The geek will predictably cry "Censorship!" Political correctness. But allowing AO apps into the Glass store would be disastrous.

    Who wants to live in a society populated by wandering cyborgs staring vacantly into space.
    There is no straight line from the introduction of the cellular telephone of the eighties to the placement of an all-knowing chip in our heads in the 22nd century, With each technological breakthrough we consider [what has been lost and what has been gained] Then we react.

    Google Glass is the creepy innovation we didn't want.

  70. Legal or not, you'll still creeping us out. by westlake · · Score: 1

    Private restaurant? Privately owned maybe and the owner could request people not wear glass in the restaurant but it is still in public. You have NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY.

    The geek confuses what is legal with what is courteous and respectful towards others.

    That is what makes him a Glasshole.

    Figuring out what is or isn't a public place is usually easy, but not always. If the public is allowed free and unrestricted access to a place, like streets, sidewalks and public parks, it is probably a public place (although parts of sidewalks and what appear to be public parks may be privately owned). Once you go indoors, you are probably no longer in a public place, and some person or entity can probably make the rules, including restrictions on making photographs.

    Frequently asked questions about privacy and libel

  71. You're just an ignorant ambisexual walnut by Woadan · · Score: 1

    I understand that in this day and age it's almost necessary that you just carry on with hating something right from the start. Knowledge of the thing be damned, we must hate it!

    But even after more than a year? It's really sad that some of the same stupid ignorance from day one is still in play. But that's your fault, you ignorant ambisexual walnut.

    Sorry to say it captain ignorant, but if you bothered to educate yourself about the product you so loudly malign, then you would know that when recording a video, the right side, where the prism is, lights up. Did you know that before it does that, in order to record, you have to activate it? And did you know that to do that you either use voice commands, or tap the side of the device? ("OK Glass" [pause] "Record a video". After a moment, the prism will light up as it shows you what is being recorded in real time.)

    Well, it is very true. And it's also very true that you don't know dick about Glass.

    Also, just to try to further the removing of ignorance: Did you know that Glass has a default setting of only 10 seconds when recording video? That is also true. You can have it extend beyond those 10 seconds, but it involves tapping the right side of the device a couple of times. (Once to invoke the extend command, and once to confirm it.)

    In other words, you can't invoke recording on Glass without being obvious. And it will also be obvious that something is happening.

    Something else to consider: On a good day, with light usage (notifications, checking weather where friends and family are) I get 12 hours of usage before a recharge is needed. I have never done any heavy recording (why bother when I have had a Nexus 5, then a OnePlus One, and now a Nexus 6 to use), but I don't imagine I'd go very long before needing to recharge if I did record a lot of videos or even just stills.

    The degree to which people fear their "privacy" is being invaded is much higher than the actual degree to which it is. (Speaking only of the Glass device.)

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  72. Less creepiness by Woadan · · Score: 1

    So, how about asking the person "Are you recording me right now?", or maybe something less bold, like "How would I know if something is being recorded?"

    Instead, you just fear it without knowing why you fear it. Wow.

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  73. If it fails, it's because of unfounded fear by Woadan · · Score: 1

    So long as there are glassholes, google glass will not succeed.

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    Unfortunately, google cannot control the people who use google glass, so there will always be glassholes and google glass won't succeed.

    As an explorer, my experience is that the real glasshole is the ignoramus who assumes something that is not in evidence.

    For the record, I am not saying that some Explorers weren't assholes. There were. But way more people just plain over-reacted out of ignorance than had justification for their fear.

    And in their fear and ignorance, they named an otherwise nice person a glasshole; they did so not because s/he was a glasshole, but because they wore a Glass device. And the Glass device was the talisman that generated their fear.

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  74. Well first, it has to be unnoticeable. by Woadan · · Score: 1

    Preferably in black, unstylish eyeglass frames.

    I don't want to advertise the fact that I'm wearing this thing. Google geeks may think it's the coolest status symbol ever. I don't. And I don't care. I want to use the map feature, get the weather report.

    Yes, I know it can give me automatic Yelp reports, tell me who and what's around, get me dates, show me movies and deliver specs on my computer by looking.

    I could care less. I'll use the maps. And the weather. Maybe news, if I'm waiting for a bus. If they want me to buy it, it has to be cheap and boring.

    You have seen the frames for those needing prescriptions right? Only the US Armed Forces RCGs were less fashionable.

    As long as there is a screen to light up, then it will be noticeable to a degree, with or without a camera.

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  75. Bigger issues than privacy killed glass. by Crazy+Taco · · Score: 1

    The hardest problem I've seen people have with Google Glass is how obvious it is you are wearing the glasses. People in public assume you are recording them and it bothers them.

    Actually, I don't think that's the hardest problem. Our innovation team at work brought in a pair of Google glasses and let us try them out. Frankly, they are exceedingly underwhelming. The screen is really small, but worse, the resolution seems low and the colors aren't very great, so it's actually really hard to read. And it's not really like a HUD or anything like that. You have to really take your attention away from everything else to read the screen, so in that respect it's not very immersive and it feels like you are doing two things at once: interacting with the real world or interacting with glass (just like how you can either look at the world or look at your smartphone). The real potential would be if you could walk around and have immersive information show up around products, etc, without you having to take your eyes completely off them.

    And another design problem with them is that they get really hot. Like uncomfortably hot when you touch them, like those old laptops always were when you set them on your lap.

    So to me, privacy concerns matter, but I don't think the average citizen thinks about privacy all that much. I think to them, as well as myself, the big issue is an underwhelming design, combined with an exorbitant price ($1500) and really no practical application for it yet. It doesn't mean it won't ever succeed, of course. I just read an article reminding people that cars were around about 40 years before they became actually decent, and PDAs have been around since the 80s but only really took off when the smartphone craze kicked off. Someday, we may look back on this as the first step towards a technology that everyone has, but for now, they really aren't that great and there are many reasons they failed.

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  76. google glass by Woadan · · Score: 1

    What will happen when the device is a contact lens?

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  77. The US public is not ready for Glass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google chose a wrong market to introduce its ultra cool product.

    Americans are overreactive to such novelties. Glasshole - what a stupid way to express own ignorance and backwardness .

    They could try japan or special markets such as med students or add exclusivity to the device.

    There is nothing wrong with their idea and google itself might have overreacted to the term 'glasshole' by pulling the product. They should have given it some time for the public to get used to it.

  78. A case in which the glasses are stored !!! by Woadan · · Score: 1

    It comes with a case. But you can't fold the parts that go over the ears, so it is an awkward ase to carry with you.

    More to the point for some of us, I have prescription lenses. Without them, I am not blind, but for any fine or detailed motor activity, I am useless. Without the Glass device, powered on or powered off, I can't see.

    I am not taking my glasses off just to make you feel comfortable. I need them.

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  79. It needs to have the camera removed by Foske · · Score: 1

    I don't care if you think you are cool by reading your emails while I think you are having a chat with me. I will simply ignore you and remove you from my friendzone. I do care that you are secretly recording our conversation. I want to punch you in the face for that, destroy the device and make sure you never do that again. Just remove the camera and I see a market for it. Not my market, but there are plenty of idiots who will like it.

  80. Users by qrwe · · Score: 1

    One has only one chance to make a first impression. Google handled theirs badly. The customer base learned mainly two things from version 1: 1) We don't want them. 2) Others don't want them. The first comes from the fact that people who uses them immediately gets the geek factor (in a bad way, if 'good' ever had a possible tone to it). Simply put: if you want people to take you seriously, don't wear Google Glass. Second point: shortly after their release, there were reports of public places where wearers were banned, such as pubs. People simply get scared of a revolution where they e.g. can be recognized on sight by a stranger if this would be a thing. To wrap up: the best thing Google can put their efforts on next is NOT necessarily improving the hardware, but instead put their efforts on a really smart second release in terms of customer relationship. If they blow this chance, they won't recover.

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  81. Railways by NewYork · · Score: 1

    Give them to Railway drivers

  82. I thought resolution was OK by peter303 · · Score: 1

    You can see ten lines of text or 60 words. More than I can take in at a glance.

  83. The same as concealed carry? by RH434 · · Score: 1

    I can't help but wonder if this doesn't parallel another argument that is always debated. Many people are carrying weapons concealed, legally and you never know about it. They don't pull them out, wave them in your face or anything but they are there and have the potential to do harm but this is being accepted more and more in the US. Would you rather not know they are armed (or wearing a camera)? Does that make you feel better? At least to get a firearm license, you have to go through a background check and other stuff. Anyone can buy a camera and wear it. Also, the part about not having a camera would significantly hinder the devices' usability for virtual reality and augmented reality which I'm a fan of. Don't think that will fly.

  84. Remove the camera by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Simply remove the camera and the problem people have with it is largely resolved. Let GoPro be your "active lifestyle" device and use your smartphone as your casual photography device. It is maddening hearing how many people are opposed to it because of a crappy little camera on it.

  85. The solution needs a problem by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    Google Glass - aside from being just creepy and ugly - is a solution to a problem that does not exist. And for that it is ridiculously overpriced and tied to having a phone nearby.

  86. The same reason nobody uses videophones... by johncandale · · Score: 1

    ...it's actually less convenient. Unless there is a chance the caller will be getting nude, non-video chat phones are better in almost every way.