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Anonymous Asks Activists To Fight Pedophiles In 'Operation Deatheaters'

HughPickens.com writes The Independent reports that hacktivist group Anonymous, in a project named Operation DeathEaters, is calling for help in its fight against international pedophile networks, or what it calls the "paedosadist industry" and has issued a video instructing activists on how they can aid in the operation. The Anonymous project is intended to break what it says is a conspiracy of silence among sympathetic politicians, police and mainstream media to downplay the full extent of the online child sex industry. "The premise behind OpDeathEaters is to expose high level complicity, obstruction of justice and cover-up in the paedo-sadist industry in order to show the need for independent inquiries," says Heather Marsh, an online activist who is helping to co-ordinate the operation and describes herself as an "old friend" of Anonymous. The Anonymous database, which will be hosted on the GitHub online repository, promises to collate cases from all around the world, cross-referencing connections within sub-groups including the police, armed forces, schoolteachers, politicians, media, academics and religious organisations. The database's ultimate purpose has yet to be fully determined, but in the first instance the group says it wants to shut down the child-sex industry by "dismantling the power structure which held it there" and by "educating to create a cultural change".

The group is calling on volunteers to help with the ongoing work, which has been divided into three steps. The first is about collecting "all the factual information," second is to "share that information as widely as possible," and the third step is "to set up an independent, internationally linked, inquiry into all the areas which do not appear to have been investigated properly." Activists point to the muted media coverage given to a recent case in Washington DC in which Michael Centanni, a senior Republican fundraiser, was charged with child sex offences after investigators traced transmissions of child pornography to his computers in his basement. The case was not covered by The Washington Post or the New York Times, and was only picked up by a local NBC affiliate state and The Washington Examiner, a small conservative paper in the city. According to the court filings, Centanni was found in possession of 3,000 images, many apparently filmed in his own bedroom, including one showing a man raping a five-year-old girl who cries "no" and "mommy" while the man says "good baby" and "stop crying," according to one filing.

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  1. Think of the children! by Slick_W1lly · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There are many things Anonymous does which are morally dubious. But, I have to say, I can't really take issue with this vigilantism.

    After all "think of the children!". But uh.. actually, don't. It's kinda disturbing. Or do.. since, it's disturbing, and one shouldn't bury one's head in the sand because.. it's hard to think about.

    1. Re:Think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Except their plan is basically grab everyones private information and make it public and hope that they only find the pedos.

    2. Re:Think of the children! by khasim · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm sure that they have the best of intentions. The problem is with the underlying assumption that there is some kind of conspiracy.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wenatchee_child_abuse_prosecutions

      Once you accept that there is a conspiracy, there is no end to it.

      If they were just interested in cataloguing the various cases then that could be done by scripts and Google news. If something is not getting media exposure then it is more likely to be because of lazy "journalists" than because someone is trying to bury the story.

    3. Re:Think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The question becomes one of false positives, people's lives ruined, and of course trusting your "justice" to a mob. Who knows what will be planted or won't?

      With police there's no guarantee, they've even been convicted of planting evidence on people they find a bone to pick with. So vigilantes, one imagines, have even less of a problem doing so.

    4. Re:Think of the children! by davydagger · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Boston Marathon Bomber case comes to mind as someone who had his life destroyed because a few lazy assholes with no burder of proof decided to be judge and jury, and leave the man out to a lynch mob justice

      Given that its most likely that "Anonymous" at this point is mostly government agents now, its going to be real intresting to see who they finger as pedophiles, and if any of these people are actually guilty.

    5. Re:Think of the children! by MikeBabcock · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Except that you've given every one of these people a free pass if you hack their computers because the court can no longer prove the data was there to begin with and not just planted.

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    6. Re:Think of the children! by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      There are many things Anonymous does which are morally dubious.

      For example they have already forgotten about their pledge to take down ISIS interweb sites...

      Sometimes I think they are just a bunch of publicity whores, but I haven't yet figured out what it is they get out of making announcments, doing it 1/4 assed, and quickily forgetting what they were doning and moving on to the next great headline grabber...

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    7. Re:Think of the children! by log0n · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ....

      What?

    8. Re:Think of the children! by ArchieBunker · · Score: 4, Informative

      Reddit was crowd sourcing surveillance and amateur photos taken from the bombing scene. They latched onto one person and started a witch hunt. Turns out the guy had nothing to do with it but now he had a million internet neckbeards and other crazies calling for his head.

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    9. Re:Think of the children! by Noah+Haders · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Going to cause a lot of collateral damage to start doxxing people who may or may not be pedobears. It may also be used for vindictive purposes.

    10. Re:Think of the children! by ultranova · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The problem is with the underlying assumption that there is some kind of conspiracy.

      There probably is. Not the purposefully coordinated kind where everyone meets in a dark room somewhere to plot their actions, but the kind where everyone sharing fundamentally rotten values leads to effectively coordinated flock behaviour. For examples of this, look at Catholic Church's recent scandals; but it's hardly the only organization that sets the mask of respectability above the wellbeing of mere children.

      People are trained to pretend they are helpless against systemic injustices from the day they're born. It's what allows those injustices to continue existing. If a child molester takes advantage of this trained response to look the other way, for example if the local cops ignore what "respected" members of their community do with their children, it's a matter of semantics whether that should be counted as a conspiracy or not.

      In any case, there's going to be a lot of pain to go around as this culture of silence runs headfirst into the Information Age, becomes effectively defunct, and forces people to see what's been all around them all this time, whether they want to or not. The world will be better for it, though.

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    11. Re:Think of the children! by Squiddie · · Score: 1

      Anonymous isn't some kind of coordinated collective. Anyone can take on the name, and yes, in the years after the project chanology, this is what likely happened. The kind of things "Anonymous" used to get into was usually just defacing websites or posting flashing signs on an epilepsy forum. They've always been inexperienced kids that don't actually know anything about programming or security. So in a way, it was always about getting attention.

    12. Re:Think of the children! by Nyder · · Score: 2

      Boston Marathon Bomber case comes to mind...

      Yes, that comes to mind to me also, proof that the NSA has been wasting our tax payers money for a decade...

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    13. Re:Think of the children! by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1

      Sometimes I think they are just a bunch of publicity whores, but I haven't yet figured out what it is they get out of making announcments, doing it 1/4 assed, and quickily forgetting what they were doning and moving on to the next great headline grabber...

      That's pretty much how teenagers operate in general.

    14. Re:Think of the children! by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      Anonymous isn't some kind of coordinated collective. Anyone can take on the name...

      Apperently, almost 100% of those now using the name are glorified skript kiddies.

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    15. Re:Think of the children! by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 1

      That's pretty much how teenagers operate in general.

      And don't forget those "cool" masks...

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    16. Re:Think of the children! by Slashjones · · Score: 2

      Vigilante 'justice' just ends up with lots of collateral damage. Plus, I would think that they would want to go after *child molesters*, not merely someone who is sexually attracted to prepubescent children. Pedophiles aren't necessarily child molesters, and vice versa.

      We don't need more "Think of the children!" witch hunts; our society has too many of those already.

    17. Re:Think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The problem is with the underlying assumption that there is some kind of conspiracy.

      There probably is. Not the purposefully coordinated kind where everyone meets in a dark room...

      Indifference versus conspiracy.

      Depending how you count, something like 20,000 children (under 5) die of poverty every day. And there are far more people trained up to do science (science PhDs) than available jobs. They could be finding cures for cancer but instead their talent and education are wasted.

      ...forces people to see what's been all around them all this time, whether they want to or not.

      The people who control the world's economy are certainly aware of poverty and disease. But they would prefer to have the world's economy produce frivolous luxury items.

    18. Re:Think of the children! by Slashjones · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There probably is.

      The real conspiracy, if one exists at all, is when freedom-hating scumbags conspire together to rile up with public with claims that we need to stop the pedophiles ("child molester" is a better term) and get rid of all child porn, just so they can push through laws which violate our constitution, our freedoms, and our privacy.

    19. Re:Think of the children! by kenshin33 · · Score: 1

      I'm genuinely curious ? what "someone" had his life destroyed ????

    20. Re:Think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How do you know their "evidence" isn't fabricated?

      How do you know you aren't the target when your wife wants to divorce you, get all your stuff, and take revenge on you?

    21. Re:Think of the children! by aevan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But it's not Innocent until Proven Guilty anymore. It's not even Guilty until Proven Innocent.

      Current climate is: Guilty until we can no longer libel you as guilty, but 'it probably could have happened anyway'. Just check out the turn-around the media and people did after that fraternity thing.

    22. Re:Think of the children! by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Actually, you can't blame this one on the NSA. Their mission is to observe and alert. In the case of the Boston Marathon Bomber, the Russian FSB (the follow on for the KGB) told the US authorities that these brothers were Islamic terrorists. And the FBI did nothing about it.

      Who's in charge of the FBI? Oh, Eric Holder. Well, that figures.

      What's on second.

      Ida know . . . third base.

      This call for vigilantism looks seriously dubious to me . . .

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    23. Re:Think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Given that its most likely that "Anonymous" at this point is mostly government agents now, its going to be real intresting to see who they finger as pedophiles, and if any of these people are actually guilty.

      Yup. This sounds more like a government operation.

      Except their plan is basically grab everyones private information and make it public and hope that they only find the pedos.

      No, their plan is grab everyone's private information and make it public and accuse people they don't like (political reasons, whatever the case may be) of being pedophiles.

      Just an excuse for identity theft and robbery, nothing more. The usual "cracker" ethics -- two wrongs make a right.

      This sounds more and more like a government agency. Their tactics "think of the children" stopped working, so now they
      have to take it underground and con a gullible public into thinking this is "grass roots."

      Anyone else find it strange that "light is the best disinfectant" and yet..."anonymous" will not reveal themselves?

      Giant double standard...it sounds more like a government going on a witch hunt than anything else.

      Disclaimer: I have been abused, but have not and will not abuse others. I have read this is a common thing for abusers to be victims themselves, but how could you put someone through it after it has happened to you?

      Also, probably 9/10 of adults I know were molested (by a family member or close friend, is most common), molested someone else, or have similar stories.

      I don't see how this will change much. These go unreported. The common theme is "get over it" and there are statutes of limitations.

      For myself...what does it matter if I tracked down my abusers? I have moved on. Sure, they might go after someone else.
      It is not worth my time and money and energy to track them down. There is no reason to "cover up" anything, but "God"
      is unlikely to care now anymore than when I was a kid. It won't change anything to execute the person responsible.

      They'd be better off convincing people "just because he/she is 16/14/etc. and you get them drunk, does not make it ok"

      It really is a cultural thing, goes far beyond sexual abuse...large groups of people always have and always will do stupid
      things because they can.

      This will change nothing. If you want to convince people that individual lives matter...collectivism is not the way to go about it.

      You embrace godless communism nearly the entire world over (economy & education)...what did you expect would happen?

      This is just another symptom of the disease. To governments the world over, individual lives mean NOTHING. They sure as #$#@$ don't care you were abused.

    24. Re:Think of the children! by nbauman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      http://www.theguardian.com/uk/...

      Self-styled vigilantes attacked the home of a hospital paediatrician after apparently confusing her professional title with the word "paedophile", it emerged yesterday.

      Dr Yvette Cloete, a specialist registrar in paediatric medicine at the Royal Gwent hospital in Newport, was forced to flee her house after vandals daubed it with graffiti in the middle of the night.

      The word "paedo" was written across the front porch and door of the house she shared with her brother in the village of St Brides, south Wales.

      Gwent police confirmed that the attack last Friday night was prompted by a confusion over the words "paedophile" and "paediatrician".

    25. Re:Think of the children! by nbauman · · Score: 2

      These assholes at Anonymous are so stupid that they identify people with the same name as the criminals. In other words, they're just as stupid as Homeland Security.

      http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sp...
      Spike Lee retweets incorrect address of George Zimmerman, violates Twitter rules
      By Chenda Ngak CBS News December 13, 2012, 4:03 PM

    26. Re:Think of the children! by rogoshen1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Here's the problem though. While pedo's make for an abhorrent target, and due process just seems 'too good for them' -- where does the mob mentality end? We have a criminal justice system in civilized societies for a reason (inb4 anti-american snark).

      If the angry mob decided tomorrow that some belief or group membership was wrong, should they be allowed to take matters into their own hands? Pretend for a moment that these were jaywalkers or people with overdue library books.

      Lady Justice is not Heimdall or Janus, for a very good reason.

    27. Re:Think of the children! by nbauman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      RTFA, they are collecting official case information, not internet rumors. Don't worry about your nonexistent wife or girlfriend.

      Oh, that's reassuring. They're collecting official unverified accusations, from reliable sources like anonymous reporting lines.

    28. Re:Think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Lets face it; Anonymous is composed of a few capable, possibly even moral, individuals and lots of wannabees who just want to hurt people because it's fun to feel powerful. This is going to end badly.

    29. Re:Think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, let's keep spreading the innocent guy's name around the internet...

      Short story: Reddit found a suspected terrorist and started a witch hunt. Turns out he was completely innocent.

    30. Re:Think of the children! by kenshin33 · · Score: 1

      no need to say more. thank you good sir!

    31. Re:Think of the children! by cheetah_spottycat · · Score: 1

      I agree! Let's replace our judicial system and its ineffective division of powers with full on witch hunt! I think my neighbour is one, too. Fuck due process, let's burn down his house! Here, want a torch? Or are you with the witches?

    32. Re: Think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Other than that everyone should now realize that it could happen to them. So there are lasting effects.

    33. Re:Think of the children! by znrt · · Score: 1

      this is just one instance, one symptom of a wider issue. for you to have a point there should be a justice system generally recognized as such. there isn't, and when justice systematically fails to protect the weak people will start taking issues on with their own hands. sure, bad things will happen, but it's inevitable and the first error is having it let come to this.

    34. Re:Think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      http://www.theguardian.com/uk/...

      Self-styled vigilantes attacked the home of a hospital paediatrician after apparently confusing her professional title with the word "paedophile", it emerged yesterday.

      Dr Yvette Cloete, a specialist registrar in paediatric medicine at the Royal Gwent hospital in Newport, was forced to flee her house after vandals daubed it with graffiti in the middle of the night.

      The word "paedo" was written across the front porch and door of the house she shared with her brother in the village of St Brides, south Wales.

      Gwent police confirmed that the attack last Friday night was prompted by a confusion over the words "paedophile" and "paediatrician".

      Most people that participate in stuff like this vandalism are usually "many bricks shy of a full load"; they are "dim-witted followers".

    35. Re: Think of the children! by DasDad · · Score: 2

      I suppose this excuse is related to rapists good ol' favorite: "if she hadn't led me on..." Shouldn't the vigilantes have foreseen what media coverage may lead to? Regardless, one of the basic premises of a modern democratic society, is that policework, prosecution and punishment is solely under the jurisdiction of the authorities. Vigilantism is not just illegal, it's also fundamentally undemocratic.

    36. Re: Think of the children! by DasDad · · Score: 1

      Hmmm.. What you're writing fits with my general political persuasion, so: Sounds legit!

    37. Re:Think of the children! by dinfinity · · Score: 3, Insightful

      when justice systematically fails to protect the weak

      Does it, though?

      Or do people just want to think it does so they can satisfy their innate bloodlust and apply some good old medieval uncivilized mob justice?

    38. Re: Think of the children! by DasDad · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You seem to forget, that your self-righteousness collides with logic at one crucial point: Abuse in the Catholic church DID come out, and police have arrested plenty of "respected" pedophiles, like the Republican operative mentioned in this very thread.

    39. Re: Think of the children! by DasDad · · Score: 1

      And your notion that there is a "culture of silence" may be good fodder for the grassroots, but In reality its ultramarxist, puritanical logic falls apart outside of the US.

    40. Re:Think of the children! by Tom · · Score: 2

      Not the purposefully coordinated kind where everyone meets in a dark room somewhere to plot their actions, but the kind where everyone sharing fundamentally rotten values leads to effectively coordinated flock behaviour.

      Which is not a conspiracy. The first rule of searching for the truth is to call things by their proper names. A conspiracy, by both legal and colloquial definition, requires agreement between the parties. Agreement requires communication (not necessarily verbal, but explicit).
      If everyone on the highway drives too fast, you can argue about "everyone sharing [fundamental values] leads to effectively coordinated flock behaviour", but that still only makes it a lot of speeding tickets and not a conspiracy.

      It's important to make the distinction because it changes how to approach the problem. A conspiracy you would try to shatter in a different way than you would tackle a culture problem.

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    41. Re:Think of the children! by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It happened once. 15 years ago. Stop recycling it.

      True. But if you read the link, it also happened during public hysteria worked up over a campaign to "name and shame" sex offenders in the past. TFA here is proposing to do this on a much grander scale. Therefore it's a pretty relevant example of the kinds of things that public hysteria over this issue can do if it's not handled well.

    42. Re:Think of the children! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You only have to look at GamerGate to see the standard of proof required by anonymous. This will very quickly descend into doxxing, threats and blog posts presented as "evidence" of crimes against children, punishable by mob justice. Anyone who opposes it will be labelled and SJW. A false narrative will be constructed around anyone they decide to target, and their lives will be ruined.

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    43. Re:Think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "but many abusers are too far wacked out on drugs"

      This idea that sexual abusers are whacked out drug-heads in dirty clothes, lurking around playgrounds or school yards and living in some squalid apartment collecting all manner of degrading pornography is absolute horseshit! There's a fair chance you have stood next a sexual abuser on the train or bus, you wouldn't know it. They are just like everyone else, they have good jobs, cars and often have loving families who they wouldn't hurt or abuse but they have no issue with watching someone else abuse minors because something in their own childhood introduced the a maladjusted idea of what is the acceptable norm for sexual behaviour. It's a psychological problem that requires proper professional psychological treatment, not the local nutjob beating them with a two-by-four after they found some information on the internet!

    44. Re:Think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      MAYBE if you stupid limeys would stop breaking the language, we'd have better results...
      how about 'pediatrician' ?
      oh, and get rid of that execrable 'drink driving' idiocy... when you have some DRINKS, you end up DRUNK, you don't end up "DRINK", and if you are stupid, you end up DRUNK DRIVING, not DRINK DRIVING... stupid brits, what, are you 'drink' ? ? ? idiots...
      oh, and your bullshit obsession on saying 'maths' is stupid, too, stop that, also... i went to math class, i didn't go to maths class... 'tards...

    45. Re:Think of the children! by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      We don't need more "Think of the children!" witch hunts; our society has too many of those already.

      Yeah, when did Anonymous turn into the lapdog of the FBI? Back when Anonymous had actual hackers (before they were busted by the FBI), they went after evil government and corporate shit (think Stratfor). Now....terrorists and pedos?

      They've turned into Chester and Spike.

      "Oh, oh, oh hey, hey FBI, wanna fight the establishment? Ehhh? Ehhh? Government corruption, FBI?! Eh eh?!"

      "Naaaahhh" *SLAP*.

      "Oh, oh, yeah, yeah that wouldn't be no fun no fun...hey, hey FBI, wanna get pedos, FBI?! Ehhhh? Ehhh? Pedos?!"

      "Pedos?! Where...."

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    46. Re:Think of the children! by omnichad · · Score: 1

      You don't see the downside of building a public database of child pornography information? No potential downside?

    47. Re:Think of the children! by istartedi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Going to cause a lot of collateral damage to start doxxing people who may or may not be pedobears

      Call me when anonymous starts busting down doors without warning at 3 AM and kills occupants. Call me when they snag people rolling through town who just took out cash to buy a car, and confiscate the money. Call me when they drag people through the court for years, ruining their good name with no real conviction. Call me when they just shoot you on the street even though you're un-armed.

      Those are all things the "real cops" have been doing. When the authorities aren't doing their job, alternatives start to look better.

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    48. Re:Think of the children! by gsslay · · Score: 1

      Self appointed vigilantes are never a good thing, that's why you should be taking issue with this.

      Because it's mob justice. Because it presumes guilt without a fair trial. Because each vigilante works to their own personal agenda, which may not exactly be what they claim to be and may not be what you agree with. Because vigilantes have nothing to show they know what they're doing. Because, well, what could possibly go wrong...

    49. Re: Think of the children! by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Looking at TFA, this guy wasn't a Republican operative. It seems he worked for a company called Base Connect which is currently under investigation for defrauding senior citizens who vote Republican. They'd call in and get donations supposedly towards Republican politicians, and almost none of the money actually went towards those campaigns; instead the company just pocketed it.

    50. Re:Think of the children! by znrt · · Score: 1

      i just highlighted a well known simple fact, that a failing system triggers a response.

      it's pretty amusing that i have harvested so many enthusiastic opinions! seems there is interest in justice after all! however, if nothing changes it will still continue to happen ...

      bottom line is: there is no peace without justice, and justice today is just basic crowd control and the standard means of legitimation of the elite and their atrocities. justice just isn't blind, so it's no justice, and everybody sort of knows it. this isn't sustainable. either we change this fundamentally, once and for all, or we will be just digging our way through hell into oblivion.

    51. Re:Think of the children! by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      I do wish more people realized that cops in the US have serious problems and operate more like big brother than they need to. That said, I don't follow your logic here. "Cops do bad things, anonymous doesn't do and won't do as many bad things, therefore this thing that they're thinking of doing is okay"?

    52. Re: Think of the children! by DasDad · · Score: 1

      In both cases, we're talking about a few hundred people a year. In a country of 300 million, that's not "systematical evidence of failure to protect the weak." Per. Capita its similar numbers that you see in Europe, and tens of times less than you see om South America.

    53. Re: Think of the children! by DasDad · · Score: 1

      Neither does it exist as a platform for your faux outrage, sorry!

    54. Re:Think of the children! by davydagger · · Score: 1

      the government crowd sourced footage of the boston bombings to reddit and 4chan, and they found the wrong guy, and the guy got death threats.

    55. Re: Think of the children! by znrt · · Score: 1

      you are correct in that there is no consensus. yet everybody "sort of knows". just like everybody knows there is no god, but many people just want to believe there is, because they feel they need that notion in their lives. justice is a fundamental requirement for society, so we have a hard time accepting our justice is moot, arbitrary and biased towards the powerful, because that would mean our democracy is a lie, and is in danger. people desperately wants to believe in justice. but we do know what it actually is, even if some, just like you, don't want to hear about it.

    56. Re: Think of the children! by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Internationally, you see a lot pushed through because of the (supposed) links between the Royal Family and organized pedophilia rings. Anyone with the "protection" of the crown is free to offend with impunity. Or at least that's the theory. And with enough international people in Anonymous, there could be a belief that all the pedos are known, but ignored, as they are too well connected.

    57. Re:Think of the children! by dinfinity · · Score: 1

      This AC is exemplary of the problem.

      It is the mentality of 'each one is one too many', failing to see that completely eradicating all crime is only possible through the most dystopian police state or human genetic modification program one could imagine.

      It is the classic form of guilting the other party into agreeing that no means are too far-reaching to prevent these terrible crimes: "If you don't support all of the 'solutions' I present, you support child abuse!" is very clearly a fallacy.

    58. Re:Think of the children! by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      This will change nothing. If you want to convince people that individual lives matter...collectivism is not the way to go about it.

      You embrace godless communism nearly the entire world over (economy & education)...what did you expect would happen?

      Yes, it certainly works better if you let God-fearing Roman Catholic priests do the work.

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    59. Re:Think of the children! by lucien86 · · Score: 1

      If you want to talk about police not doing their jobs, just look at the UK, at Rotherham - 1400 rapes over 10 years - mostly against young teenage girls. (I think mostly about 11 to 14 yrs old) Many were reported but the local police did more or less nothing. There were two basic reasons identified. -
      - Firstly many of the girls had been coerced or tricked into becoming 'prostitutes' - sex workers, so despite being underage their claims were dismissed automatically by police as untrustworthy..
      - Secondly and maybe worse was extreme Political Correctness, the children were basically all white, the gang who were trafficking them and those who raped them were mostly Asian - and Islamic.
      Then there's a lovely guy called Jimmy Savile who the police protected over claims of abuse made over about 5 decades.. Then there are the police, politicians and businessmen who ran a huge ring abusing children taken in by social care - in orphanages. The list goes on..

      I don't know about America but I have this horrible feeling that the UK police are gradually evolving into Darleks..

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    60. Re:Think of the children! by istartedi · · Score: 1

      You don't follow my logic because it isn't what I said. It's not my logic. It's just something you inferred. "When the economy is bad, communism starts to look better", is not the same as "The economy is bad. Communism will be better. Join the Party with me".

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    61. Re:Think of the children! by smallfries · · Score: 1

      Ah a drive by troll. How refreshing. Today I am bored enough to respond.

      Once there was a Mongol army of such power and ferocity that it came close to wiping out western civilisation as we know it. So you are suggesting we should worry about that happening again? Are you really worried about getting nuked today, or tomorrow? I'm not. But then again I associate the frequency of an event with the risk of it reoccurring. I guess that by your reckoning we should not, and that all events that have ever happened are equally probable in the future, so we should treat them all the same.

      I will now start worrying about herds of velociraptors raging across major cities causing carnage and destruction. After all, it is about the same level of hysteria as complaints that the one-time mob attack of a paediatrician is relevant 15 years after the event.

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    62. Re:Think of the children! by nobodie · · Score: 1

      "For all intensive purposes, 'whom' is no longer a word. That begs the question, 'who cares'?"
      What the phrase is: "For all intents and purposes" (the problem with a silly mistake is that it makes you look silly and encourages me to either ignore or derogate your entire comment, which is unfair.) I think if you consider the meanings involved you will see how the real phrase makes some sense and your version does not.

      Now "whom is no longer a word." Yes, it is. What you mean to say is that "in my version of English I no longer find a meaning for it" because I can either use syntax to simplify my sentences to where it is not called for or use "who" when "whom" should be used (in an objective position, like in a prepositional phrase "for whom the bell tolls" or "to whom it may concern." Or as the object of a verb "The man whom I called yesterday."

      OK, so I can see that in colloquial English, even I use "who" in most cases for the object of a verb, but when I am writing something for a research paper where it will be read internationally and judged valuable by colleagues around the world whose colloquial English does still use the "whom," then it only makes sense to not disturb their sensibilities by using something that they can accept as standard. Especially because it is still standard in academic writing here in the US.

      So, to put a broad point on the issue of "whom," many people care, and many people who people care about care. So, if you want to be a part of the greater global society you should care too!

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    63. Re:Think of the children! by davydagger · · Score: 1

      This call for vigilantism looks seriously dubious to me . . .

      something seems a little off about it indeed. That said, if I do happen to come accross a sadomastichtic ring of pedophiles I'll be sure to say something, you know, just in case.

  2. Purpose of Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    What is the purpose of the Anonymous?

    To catch the pedophiles?

    That's the job for the cops

    If the cops can't do the job, what makes you think those nerds who call themselves "Anonymous" can do anything different?

    1. Re:Purpose of Anonymous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And how's their fight with ISIS progressing... Haven't heard anything since it was announced.

    2. Re:Purpose of Anonymous by Slashjones · · Score: 1

      Someone isn't necessarily guilty of anything just because they're a pedophile.

  3. Charged /= Guilty by Harlequin80 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know nothing about the particular case that they are referring to. But the fact that it wasn't widely reported is actually a good thing. Being charged is not the same as being convicted. There are too many cases of people being tried in the media and having their lives destroyed when they actually haven't done anything wrong.

    Given people are so fucking stupid they will attack paediatricians thinking they are paedophiles just sums up the wider mobs inability to effectively deal with the information.

    1. Re: Charged /= Guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      He pled guilty a couple of weeks ago.

    2. Re:Charged /= Guilty by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Being charged is not the same as being convicted. There are too many cases of people being tried in the media and having their lives destroyed when they actually haven't done anything wrong.

      Yes, and isn't it interesting how the media has looked the other way in the case of Michael Centanni, but is happy to rake someone over the coals any other time? Sounds like the media is completely aware of how damaging the court of public opinion is, and are showing some favoritism towards those in power -- the very people we should be most vigilant about.

    3. Re: Charged /= Guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Centanni will be sentenced on April 9. The charge carries a statutory maximum of 20 years in prison and potential financial penalties. Centanni will also be required to register as a sex offender for a minimum of 15 years."

      http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/GOP-Fundraiser-Michael-Centanni-Pleads-Guilty-to-Child-Pornography-287555231.html

    4. Re:Charged /= Guilty by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Funny

      All the same, I'm not sure "Lobbyist Accused of Being Evil" is particularly newsworthy.

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    5. Re: Charged /= Guilty by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So in other words, justice is being served, and a sentence is being delivered that the judge (within the guidelines set by legislators) feels is appropriate to the crime committed.

      There's nothing left for Anonymous to do, except to remind the world that this guy did something bad, and by so doing, perpetuate the shame and embarrassment his friends and family are subjected to. It won't affect the perpetrator himself, because he'll be in prison for the entire life of this "operation".

      Harassing innocent bystanders is what Anonymous does best.

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    6. Re:Charged /= Guilty by Sarten-X · · Score: 2

      Jokes aside, that's about it. The case in question is a bog-standard investigation and prosecution. The only notable twist is the guy's political connections. There's really no reason for widespread coverage.

      This stunt may as we'll be Operation Our Favorite Crime, spreading awareness of Anonymous' obsession with this particular flavor of felony. We'll put it up next to the neckbeard ranting about his favorite video game, and the fat guy touting the virtues of his favorite food. Just like the armchair art critic and the armchair gourmet critic (and the nerd typing Slashdot comments when he should be sleeping) this will accomplish nothing to make the world a better place, but it will give a few individuals a few moments of pride in their hollow awareness campaign.

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    7. Re: Charged /= Guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So in other words, justice is being served

      That depends. Many people plead guilty to crimes they did not commit. Was plea bargaining a factory here? The sentence seems a bit long for that, but you never know.

    8. Re:Charged /= Guilty by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Yeah, we're agreed on this one. I kind of wonder if they started the campaign because they think it's some kind of Republican conspiracy, and they want to expose it.

      Also, I am kind of skeptical of someone who is "an old friend" of anonymous, without being anonymous herself.

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    9. Re: Charged /= Guilty by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      If that's the case here, then Anonymous is just making the injustice worse.

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    10. Re:Charged /= Guilty by nbauman · · Score: 1

      Given people are so fucking stupid they will attack paediatricians thinking they are paedophiles

      That really is true, btw.
      http://www.theguardian.com/uk/...
      Doctor driven out of home by vigilantes

    11. Re:Charged /= Guilty by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Jokes aside, that's about it. The case in question is a bog-standard investigation and prosecution. The only notable twist is the guy's political connections. There's really no reason for widespread coverage.

      Then, to quote Harlequin80 above, why is it "there are too many cases of people being tried in the media and having their lives destroyed when they actually haven't done anything wrong"? Why isn't every case treated as this one was?

    12. Re: Charged /= Guilty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Hypothesis: Pedophilia doesn't exist as a lone-wolf type scenerio.

      A pedophile is just someone with a sexual attraction to prepubescent children, so this is nonsense. And not everything has to be some vast conspiracy in order to exist. There are lone murderers, and there are lone rapists.

    13. Re:Charged /= Guilty by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Why isn't every case treated as this one was?

      Is that a rhetorical question, or do you really not understand the capricious nature of the mainstream news, the primary goal of which is to get views?

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    14. Re:Charged /= Guilty by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      isn't it interesting how the media has looked the other way in the case of Michael Centanni

      Not really. He's a fund raising hack, not someone of particular note or in any position of power.

      It sounds more like you read "Republican" and went off the deep end with your assumptions than any indictment of the media.

    15. Re: Charged /= Guilty by DasDad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The prosecutor leaned hard enough on him to get a guilty plea, so now you want to investigate his relatives and random associates, eh? Well, it certainly didn't take you long to prove that everyone who warned this may turn into a witch hunt were absolutely right!

    16. Re: Charged /= Guilty by Eunuchswear · · Score: 2

      Why don't you tell us how you feel about systemd?

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    17. Re: Charged /= Guilty by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      There's nothing left for Anonymous to do, except to remind the world that this guy did something bad, and by so doing, perpetuate the shame and embarrassment his friends and family are subjected to. It won't affect the perpetrator himself, because he'll be in prison for the entire life of this "operation".

      So, mission accomplished? Because how did this guy get this way? It couldn't have have been his family, you know, his upbringing?

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    18. Re: Charged /= Guilty by DasDad · · Score: 1

      Actually, despite any imaginary conspiracy, the media DID cover it. It made a little blurb in the local paper, as small, local crime stories tend to do. And wasn't really picked up by any national media because there were actual news happening at the time.

    19. Re: Charged /= Guilty by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      That was kinda my point... Anonymous and the OP have leapt off the deep end by assuming it should have gotten greater coverage and that since it didn't that meant there was some vast conspiracy protecting "those in power".

    20. Re:Charged /= Guilty by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Is that a rhetorical question, or do you really not understand the capricious nature of the mainstream news, the primary goal of which is to get views?

      Doesn't that only supports my opinion there is some obvious favoritism going on here? If the primary goal of the media is to get views then why wouldn't they be leaping all over a story about high-profile lobbyist being caught in a child sex ring? They normally like to report alleged pedophiles regardless of how strong the evidence. Why are they letting something so juicy stay under the radar?

    21. Re:Charged /= Guilty by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      If the primary goal of the media is to get views then why wouldn't they be leaping all over a story about high-profile lobbyist being caught in a child sex ring?

      Because it wouldn't get as many views as you think.

      Why are they letting something so juicy stay under the radar?

      Because it's not as juicy as you think.

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    22. Re: Charged /= Guilty by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Actually the answer to that is pretty conclusively answered as a no. As much as the cause of psychological make-ups can be proven.

      Being sexually attracted to children is something that you are born with. In the same was as being heterosexual, homosexual, bi-sexual or any of the other sexuals.

      The difference is that most people who are attracted to children do not act upon those feelings. The scum are the people who do act upon them or feed them material. Potentially this persons upbringing bred in him a sense of entitlement and a disregard for other humans. This then led to him indulging in his desires.

    23. Re: Charged /= Guilty by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Most pedos aren't. There's a difference between being attracted to pre-pubescent children and post-pubescent children. The laws and stigma doesn't recognize it. If you are under 18 or 16 or whatever, you are incapable of consent. That's the distinction point. And no other. So someone who has consentual sex with a 17 year old in Florida is the "same" as someone unconsentually raping a 4 year old.

  4. This is the one. by Anonanonaon · · Score: 2

    Many top level elites deserve to be dragged from office and put in jail forever.

    And not just for these crimes, but for basically everything which is wrong with the world today.

    But this sort of corruption reveal might just trigger the kind of revolutionary anger needed.

    I hope Anonymous has thought about lots of protection plans, because this will get bloody and dirty fast if they start to pick up momentum.

    Things to look for:

    -FOX News personalities coming up with apologist talking points to defend child predator scum.

    -People believing those points in surprisingly large numbers.

    1. Re: This is the one. by Anonanonaon · · Score: 1

      This has nothing to do with feminism.

      It has to do with stopping the psychopaths who see weak people as prey, who rape and hunt undocumented or abducted children for sport. -With cross bows, or running them down in cars.

      It's not about sex with these scary elite creeps. It's about psychological torment for fun, and later, gangland style black mail leverage to keep the system in a state of evil status quo.

  5. Errors by manu0601 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Like everyone I think fighting pedopornograhy is a good thing, but what will happen if Anonymous post something wrong about someone?

    1. Re:Errors by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ...but what will happen if Anonymous post something wrong about someone?

      If? No...when.

    2. Re:Errors by wisnoskij · · Score: 2

      Well that is the benefit of being Anonymous, 0 accountability.

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    3. Re:Errors by Slashjones · · Score: 1

      Like everyone I think fighting pedopornograhy is a good thing

      I think catching the rapists is a good thing. Government thugs censoring information should be condemned.

    4. Re: Errors by DasDad · · Score: 2

      Sure, nobody has a lot of sympathy for a child rapist. But here's the thing. The vast majority of people who view or trade these images aren't rapist, but tragic individuals who trade pictures with other tragic individuals. And most of them would find the thought of violently raping a child as abhorrent as you do.

    5. Re:Errors by manu0601 · · Score: 1

      Producing pedopornographic material requires child sexual exploitation. There are more reason for banning that kind of content than just censorship.

    6. Re:Errors by Slashjones · · Score: 1

      Producing pedopornographic material requires child sexual exploitation.

      Producing it, but not merely looking at it. Ban rape (it already is) and go after the rapists.

      There are more reason for banning that kind of content than just censorship.

      Nope. Censoring the videos/pictures is mere censorship.

    7. Re:Errors by manu0601 · · Score: 1

      But you know that some people produce things because others are ready to pay to look at it, right? Remove the demand and the offer diminish.

    8. Re:Errors by Slashjones · · Score: 1

      If you act based on demands, your actions are your own. You can't blame anyone but the rapists for raping.

      Remove the demand and the offer diminish.

      Fortunately, censorship is nigh impossible. You'll have to find another solution... like going after the rapists and encouraging other countries to change their laws.

  6. Re:Just Give Me A List & Some Cash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You're exactly why this is a bad idea. You're so blinded by your hatred, you're a useful idiot for anyone who wants someone eliminated based on shakey planted evidence.

  7. Re:biological imperative by davydagger · · Score: 1

    yeah, they are like, high ranking and everything. High ranking people never do bad stuff that would require them to step down, or go to prison. Only low ranking people do. I think he's jealous of their success, or whatever phrase they use when someone accuses someone high ranking of crime or social misbehavior

  8. Re:Conflicted : all for it yet scares the crop out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not all pedophiles act on their urges. The ones that realize their urges cannot be acted upon and thus live their lives suffering with such an affliction should be commended, not referred to as "scum" just because of an attraction they probably wish they didn't have.

  9. I Don't Buy It by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    I don't buy it for a second.
    "sympathetic"? No one is sympathetic to pedophiles.

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    1. Re:I Don't Buy It by davidwr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No one is sympathetic to pedophiles.

      I guess that depends on what you mean by sympathetic and what you mean by pedophile.

      I assume you meant "child molester" not pedophile. Someone else has in another sub-thread already said that pedophiles who control their urges should be commended not called scum.

      As for child molesters:

      Anyone who due to biology or upbringing (e.g. being brainwashed to enjoy sex while a child themselves) that lets them enjoy having sex with kids or young teens and who due to biology or upbringing lacks the self control to keep away from the insides of kids' pants deserves prison (or a psych lockup if legally insane), in- and (if not a life sentence) post-prison mental-health care, and, yes, sympathy.

      Why sympathy? You can't help your biology. You can't help your up-bringing. You CAN and MUST make your own choices as an adult, but if you are facing life with "two strikes against you," you do deserve and have my sympathy. But if I'm your juror that sympathy won't reduce your punishment.

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    2. Re:I Don't Buy It by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      Well, there are some arguments about it in theory. There are legitimate points to be made. And one universal truth is that there is loads of areas to be improved in how our legal system handles and defines crimes. But, no one personally is sympathetic to them, it is all theoretical.
      And I really do not see where you are coming from. How does it create demand? Are there Pedophiles making a killing off of ads or subscriptions? I sort of get the impression it is more about enthusiastic individuals who do it because that is what they love, and they get a thrill of video taping and posting it. They are not some sort of business man or entertainer, who are just in it for the money or applause.

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    3. Re:I Don't Buy It by davidwr · · Score: 1

      there are people who actually believe trading in and looking at child porn isn't a problem, that that is victimless, it's just pictures and video

      (it creates demand, of course it's a fucking problem)

      Excluding the obviously likely "victimless" cases of non-circulating self-pics and never-forwarded-on pics your same-aged boy/girlfriend sent you without you asking, child porn is very rarely victim-less.

      Some people will try to turn those very rare exceptions into a broad generalization that as a whole child porn is harmless. I'm with you in saying that such an argument is hogwash.

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      Oh, and for anyone wanting a very rare example, here is a fictional contrived example:
      Suppose my young daughter is a heavy sleeper. I carefully pose her in a pornographic pose while she is sleeping and snap the shutter. The next day she is killed in a freak accident which is completely unrelated to what I did the day before. For the next few decades I look at that image, sometimes because it is the last photo of my daughter and sometimes for sexual reasons. I never seek out or see any other child porn. I never show the image to anyone. Before I die I destroy the image.

      I would argue that my daughter didn't live long enough to become aware that I photographed her much less suffer any mental, physical, or emotional harm as a result. Obviously nobody else was hurt either. Therefore, it was a victimless crime. It was a crime and had I been caught I would expect to go to prison. But it was victimless. As I said, this is a contrived example but I'm sure there are cases where children were photographed in pornographic poses where they were not physically harmed, they were too young or too asleep to remember enough to be mentally harmed until they become aware that the photograph was made (which may never happen), and due to lack of circulation, the existence of the photograph did not create any demand. The photographers are still criminals - the playground rule of "no harm no foul" does NOT apply to this sort of crime.

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    4. Re:I Don't Buy It by Jeremi · · Score: 1

      there are people who actually believe trading in and looking at child porn isn't a problem, that that is victimless, it's just pictures and video

      I don't think I've seen anyone argue that the distribution of child porn isn't a problem.

      I have seen people argue that the First Amendment permits it, regardless of whether it's problematic or not.

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    5. Re:I Don't Buy It by davidwr · · Score: 1

      Are there Pedophiles making a killing off of ads or subscriptions? I sort of get the impression it is more about enthusiastic individuals who do it because that is what they love, and they get a thrill of video taping and posting it.

      Based on what I read a few years ago, unlike child prostitution where there is a significant $/commercial aspect, there wasn't a significant $/commercial child-porn trade. However, there was a very significant "in-kind" child-porn trade among creators and collectors.

      Unlike legal adult porn, there isn't any copyright protection, which really cuts down on the potential profits. That, and the constant threat of getting busted makes running a $-profitable kiddie-porn enterprise difficult if not outright infeasible.

      Child prostitution, unlike child porn, can't be freely copied over and over again, so despite the threat of getting busted there is some viable economic model.

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    6. Re:I Don't Buy It by Slashjones · · Score: 2

      I don't think I've seen anyone argue that the distribution of child porn isn't a problem.

      It's a problem in the sense of privacy, but I don't think it should be forbidden. If rapists act based on other people's demand for more, then their actions are their own and no one else's. We need to stop people willing to rape others, regardless of whether or not they're raping children. But adults' lives are only about half as valuable as children's lives according to society, so good luck with that.

      I have seen people argue that the First Amendment permits it, regardless of whether it's problematic or not.

      This.

    7. Re:I Don't Buy It by Slashjones · · Score: 1

      Unlike legal adult porn, there isn't any copyright protection, which really cuts down on the potential profits.

      Only if you accept that copyrights are effective in the first place, something which I've yet to see be scientifically proven.

    8. Re:I Don't Buy It by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      and who are you? why would you have a strong opinion about me. do i know you? otherwise, to go after me personally, anonymously, this is what we call a troll

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    9. Re:I Don't Buy It by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      (it creates demand, of course it's a fucking problem)

      Is there any evidence for that? No. Is there any evidence that enforcement against viewers is effective? No.

      watch this thread, you'll see them commenting

      Yes, indeed we are. You fabricate "facts" to support an encroachment of a surveillance state and totalitarian government. Typical for you.

    10. Re:I Don't Buy It by Slashjones · · Score: 1

      While copyright isn't popular around here, the fact remains that a lot of people manage to make money by producing easily copyable content.

      Yes, and they might even be able to do that without copyright. We have no idea what our society would look like if copyright just magically vanished. Businesses, instead of abusing copyright to get what they want, would have to find alternative means of making money. Would they be successful? Again, copyright's effectiveness has not been scientifically proven, so no one knows.

      And it's a lot easier to do so if the content is legal.

      Indeed, and that's the main difference, not the lack of copyright.

    11. Re:I Don't Buy It by Slashjones · · Score: 1

      Even if it created demand, someone's actions are their own. No one has to rape to respond to "demand," so if they do, it's their fault.

    12. Re:I Don't Buy It by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      i've commented on the topic. you've commented on me. who is not contributing substantively here exactly? therefore who is the troll?

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    13. Re:I Don't Buy It by DasDad · · Score: 1

      What if the CPorn in question is computer generated? Its should already be possible to create simulated CP, thats impossible to distinguish from the real thing with the naked eye. (Pun NOT intended) Wouldn't this be a victimless crime? Why/why not? Or is the aversion to pedophiles more of a purely moral panic? And a question of moralizing what paraphelia is or isn't proper and right.

    14. Re:I Don't Buy It by Slashjones · · Score: 1

      When you are confused in situations like these, always ask yourself what cold fjord would do; the answer will surely involve getting the government out of our lives. Here's the answer: The community doesn't want things such as drawings of children having sex or simulated child porn, so they should be banned. In addition, realistic simulated child porn makes it more difficult for law enforcement to do their jobs, and as we all know, we exist to make law enforcement's job easy. This is perfectly constitutional and anyone who says otherwise wants License and not Liberty.

      cold fjord: For a Smaller, Leaner Government.

    15. Re:I Don't Buy It by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      the topic is

      Anonymous Asks Activists To Fight Pedophiles In 'Operation Deatheaters'

      do you have anything useful to say on the topic?

      that's what i tried to do, and i got many even tempered, thoughtful replies, on topic (except for yours)

      http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

      but for me to speak on topic, eliciting on topic responses... that's "trolling" according to you

      meanwhile, all you seem to do is talk about *me*. why? how is that useful? how is that helpful to the topic? i'm not the topic douchebag

      if you desire some sort of interpersonal friction, you might want to try a dating site. otherwise, shut the fuck up, and stay on topic, or you're a useless troll

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    16. Re:I Don't Buy It by omnichad · · Score: 1

      impossible to distinguish from the real thing

      So in this case, how do you prove an image is a simulation?

    17. Re:I Don't Buy It by RatBastard · · Score: 2

      Add to this that many child molesters are not pedophiles and things get even messier. A lot of child molestations are basically rape: acts of anger, domination and ownership, especially when committed by new step-parents.

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    18. Re:I Don't Buy It by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If you're talking about convicting somebody of a crime, shouldn't the question be how you prove an image is not a simulation? I believe the law in my jurisdiction says that there needs to be an identifiable minor in the picture.

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    19. Re: I Don't Buy It by DasDad · · Score: 1

      Digital watermark?

  10. Re:Anonymous is asking to breach National Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Prince Andrews - recent event

    What recent event? The one where he is accused of having sexual relations with a willing partner over the age of consent in all the jurisdictions where it is alleged to have occurred? In one of the three alleged occurrences she was even over the age of consent in the jurisdiction where she has decided to go forum shopping!

  11. Who are you? I'm bat- er, ANON! by TiggertheMad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This also looks a lot like a slightly unpopular kid going and beating up the most unpopular kid to make everyone else like them more.

    Pedophiles are like Nazis: They are widely assumed to be completely and thoroughly evil and thus worthless human beings. If you are going to pick a group to engage in vigilante activity against this is just about the perfect one, because who is going to going to stand up and say 'that's not right'. Unlike other extremely unpopular groups like Human traffickers or actual no-Nazis, pedophiles are not generally gun toting violent lunatics, so the risk of being murdered in retaliation is pretty low.

    If you want to break the law to try to uphold the law, this is a logical choice, I guess.

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    1. Re:Who are you? I'm bat- er, ANON! by sharknado · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Pedophiles are like Nazis

      You have that backwards. Pedophiles are the group that society wants to watch burn. The group that nobody will cry for as they are marched to the stake, or the concentration camp, or the guillotine. The group that politicians use as moral grounds for passing laws based on hate and vigilantism instead of justice. It's a slippery slope my friends.

    2. Re:Who are you? I'm bat- er, ANON! by ZeRu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Paedophilia itsef is a slippery slope as well. There is a drastic difference between having a sex with a 5-year old and a 15-year old, and yet both of those gets you placed in a jail (from what I know about laws on the matter at least).

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    3. Re:Who are you? I'm bat- er, ANON! by cheetah_spottycat · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No, it's not. The slippery slope is where the legal definition got extended so much beyond the clinical definition that it no longer makes any sense by any rational criteria in an alarming number of cases it is applied to. Before we go out on the street and call for a witch hunt, the common definition of "pedophilia" needs to be reformed, so that it again means actual child abuse, and neither "12 year old boys discover their sexuality like everyone else did during puperty" nor "17 year old girlfriend sends naughty pictures to 18 year old boyfriend" or any completely normal, consensual and non-threatening behaviour in between. Free those resources to fight actual child abuse, and we don't need self-appointed trigger happy internet superheroes with torches and pitchforks who think who need to take the law into their own hands.

    4. Re:Who are you? I'm bat- er, ANON! by ZeRu · · Score: 1

      Well I agree with you that the problem lies in the legal definition, but laws declaring what's legal or illegal also shape people's perception. Woman deciding to perform an abortion isn't doing anything illegal and is not a story that you'll hear on the news, but now imagine media and people's reaction if someone kicked the very same woman in the guts while she was on her way to the abortion clinic, causing something that would still happen less than an hour later.

      We've had enough stories about teachers who had (totally consensual) sex with her student, yet the media and the authorities were screaming "sex abuse" just because the so-called victim wasn't 18...back in my high-school days we could only dream about our sexy teacher giving us a blowjob.

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    5. Re:Who are you? I'm bat- er, ANON! by Tom · · Score: 1

      This and more. There's also a massive difference between actually abusing a child and trading pictures of nude kids on the beach. And many more details.

      That's the main problem with the public court of opinion - our own and the medias tendency to simplify. To replace details with labels.

      Every witch hunt in history has this problem. They all start with something arguably reasonable. You want to get rid of the witch because she poisoned your cows. You want to kick out jews because they steal money from the people. You want to drive the heathen out of the community because he erodes moral values. You want to put the paedophile behind bars because he abuses children. More or less reasonable arguments, maybe not true but there's a causality in the thinking that we can relate to. But a few steps further the cause is lost or abstracted and the individual becomes a group, and the causality is not even assumed anymore, just implicit in the group attribution. Now you want to burn all witches, kill all jews, slaughter all heathen or castrate all paedophiles. Not because they've one anything, only because they belong to a group that you've given the "evil" label.

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    6. Re:Who are you? I'm bat- er, ANON! by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Before we go out on the street and call for a witch hunt, the common definition of "pedophilia" needs to be reformed, so that it again means actual child abuse,

      You don't even know what pedophilia means. It doesn't mean child abuse, because "philia" doesn't mean abuse.

      Trading sexually explicit pictures of minors by definition depends on minors being harmed. Trading non-sexually-explicit pictures of minors for sexual gratification is creepy as fuck, but it's not harming minors. Pedophilia isn't harming minors, child abuse is. Not all pedophiles abuse children, or even trade in media which actually involves children being subjected to child abuse.

      Pedophilia has been equated with child abuse only for bad reasons, and here you are helping it along. Cut that ignorant shit out.

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    7. Re:Who are you? I'm bat- er, ANON! by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      if you worded it to say "on your way to intentionally start a fatal 18 car pileup" it might be more valid

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    8. Re:Who are you? I'm bat- er, ANON! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If you can't see the problem with using children--even if the images are non-explicit--for sexual gratification then you are the one that is ignorant.

      Oh no, I absolutely do see the problem. There are real kids really getting hurt as a result of the demand for child pornography. There's really no valid question about that. But we also need to draw a clear line between pedophilia and child abuse, because the two are not the same thing.

      Jacking off to pictures of kids clothed on a playground is harmful to those kids who are just trying to exist in the world and not be a sex object.

      The work on the subject is fairly well divided on whether that sort of activity provides relief or just entrainment. So it's unclear, in fact, whether it is or is not harmful. If the children are unaware that someone is thinking of them sexually because that someone is not interacting with them, then they are not being directly harmed.

      It's clear that something has backfired in the brains of people who sexualize children. They need help. Currently the thinking is to destroy them. The general attitude towards pedophiles prevents them from seeking help. I've seen what happens when someone gets discovered as a pedophile with images of children on their computer, etc etc. People who have known them for years and would have spoken up for them the day before are saying anything to preserve their own accountability while giving not one single fuck as to what happened to that person to make them that way.

      Feel free to disregard my argument because i am Anonymous, though.

      I don't disregard serious arguments because people are anonymous, only shit-talking. FYI.

      Hopefully you will sleep better than a 30 year old that was raped as a kid.

      If it makes you feel any better, I don't sleep well at all. But in before accusations of pedophilia, I do find that shit creepy and disturbing and unacceptable. I just feel the same way about how people treat pedophiles in a world in which youth equals beauty, the bunch of fucking hypocrites.

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    9. Re: Who are you? I'm bat- er, ANON! by DasDad · · Score: 1

      Your comment won't be disregarded because you're anonumous. It'll be disregarded because you're literally proposing the introduction of thoughtcrime. Which is ethically and judiciously abhorrent, as well as abhorrently stupid. And while you pontificate on whether it should be legal to masturbate to a picture of fully clothed kids on a playground, and the non-existent damage it may cause them, pontificate on this: The majority of child abusers have themselves been victims of sexual abuse. So not only will they be victimized as children, they'll also potentialet be victimized later on as adults. By you.

    10. Re: Who are you? I'm bat- er, ANON! by DasDad · · Score: 1

      Your comment won't be disregarded because you're anonumous. It'll be disregarded because you're literally proposing the introduction of thoughtcrime. Which is ethically and judiciously abhorrent, as well as abhorrently stupid. And while you pontificate on whether it should be legal to masturbate to a picture of fully clothed kids on a playground, and the non-existent damage it may cause them, pontificate on this: The majority of child abusers have themselves been victims of sexual abuse. So not only will they be victimized as children, they'll also potentialet be victimized later on as adults. By you and other get-tough-on-em types.

    11. Re:Who are you? I'm bat- er, ANON! by ZeRu · · Score: 1

      And imagine someone beating your skull in with a 2x4 while you were getting into your car in which you were going to get into a fatal 18 car pileup on the highway, causing something that would still happen less than an hour later.

      Assuming I was getting into my car with the purpose of injuring or killing myself? I don't see a difference either. Furthermore, if my plan involved colliding with other cars and endangering lives of others then the person beating my skull should be applauded (and if not, they still save some property and prevent environmental damage).

      But your argument didn't seem to come with such preconditions, Mr. Strawman.

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    12. Re:Who are you? I'm bat- er, ANON! by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1

      Let's hope that it stays safe to say things in support of due process, fairness, understanding, and moderation on such a charged subject, and that doing so is not willfully construed as favoring pedophilia. Freedom of speech, right? Some people seem awfully anxious to demonize pedophiles, to the point of mob hysteria. It looks like some of the tough talk on child molestation is out of fear, so that the mob doesn't turn on them. It's like that old SNL skit, the Church Lady, asking her guests if they hate Satan.

      Pedophilia has a long history. The Roman Emperor Hadrian, one of their best, had a favorite greek boy. However, Roman Emperors were notorious for excess, and certainly don't make a good choice if one wants average people. There are still older customs. In early Iron Age battles, the winning commander might rape the losing one. Why? Maybe to demonstrate as graphically as possible that he was victorious and to humiliate the loser even more if that was possible, maybe as a severe punishment to further inspire other commanders to do all they could to win or die. The Bible is full of divine punishment for "deviant" sexual behavior, in particular the fates of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah.

      Could some instances of pedophilia be consequences of disease? For instance, there's Toxoplasma gondii. I find it amazing that a parasite can hack an animal's brain so subtly, removing the fear of cats and only cats, while largely leaving other brain functions intact. If that's possible, why not a disease that makes people have pedophilic urges?

      I can't see anything wrong with using drawings of children, or blow up dolls, or whatever other harmless substitute may be available. Especially if that keeps a pedo from harming real children.

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    13. Re:Who are you? I'm bat- er, ANON! by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Pedophiles are like Nazis

      You have that backwards. Pedophiles are the group that society wants to watch burn. The group that nobody will cry for as they are marched to the stake, or the concentration camp, or the guillotine. The group that politicians use as moral grounds for passing laws based on hate and vigilantism instead of justice.

      It's a slippery slope my friends.

      Pretty soon it'll be people who are suspected of having harbored lustful thoughts of girls who appear to be under age.

      That and camera technology in the posters you see everywhere advertising clothes/makeup etc for young girls so that men whose eyes linger just a little too long on the poster are flagged as potential pedos.

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    14. Re:Who are you? I'm bat- er, ANON! by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      What I'd like to know is whether trading sexually explicit pictures of child sex that don't involve a real child is a good thing or a bad thing. That's legal in some but not all jurisdictions. I don't want to curtail freedom of expression just because I find something squicky and disgusting, but if Poser images or drawings lead to increased child molestation I might get behind banning or restricting them.

      I fear that the emotions involve lead to demonization, which is not only harmful to certain people (you can go to a psychologist with a wide range of problems, but you'd best not admit to pedophilia) but interferes with research into what I really care about, which is children not being raped.

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    15. Re:Who are you? I'm bat- er, ANON! by davydagger · · Score: 1
      you didn't actually read the article. They aren't going after pedos in general, but what they are claiming to be a very specific child torture ring, with alleged heads in high ranking government and corporate positions.

      Given the nature of "Anonymous", its unlikely they are the original nihilistic self-described terrorists, the moralfagging social justice activists that came in for opperation channology, or even the Federal agents that had been giving the group dirrection with the mass arrests of the former two. This sounds like someone diffrent with a thin grasp on American society.

      The video asserts there will be mainstream news defending pedos as "child lovers", something that never happened, and most likely never will.

    16. Re:Who are you? I'm bat- er, ANON! by lucien86 · · Score: 1

      Ahh the amazing power of hindsight - or precognition.. The slightest change in starting circumstances can sometimes lead to such wildly different outcomes. -

      ".. imagine someone beating your skull in with a 2x4 while you were getting into your car in which you were going to get into a fatal 18 car pileup on the highway, .. causing you to die 20 minutes early.."
      ".. imagine someone beating your skull in with a 2x4 while you were getting into your car in which you were planning to cause a fatal 18 car pileup on the highway, .. saving XX lives .."
      The person with the plank still faces a life in jail or execution.. Time to call Pre-crimes division..

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    17. Re:Who are you? I'm bat- er, ANON! by lucien86 · · Score: 1

      Also apply the 'homophobe rule', 'anyone who publicly exhibits as an extreme homophobe is almost certainly underneath a repressed homosexual'..
      So anyone who publicly exhibits as an extreme paedo-hater is almost certainly underneath a repressed paedophile..
      With recursive iteration (and guns all round) this could get interesting.

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    18. Re:Who are you? I'm bat- er, ANON! by davydagger · · Score: 1
      the only time sexuality is accepted in this country is either in advertising, by the rich and famous, or if its done in compiance after purchasing the right combination of products that allow you to be sexualized.

      Or, you can have sex in the missionary position after marraige.

      Those are the only two accepted types of sexuality in this country.

  12. Avoid outing suspects, and other tips by davidwr · · Score: 4, Informative

    Suspected != guilty and if they go around publicizing suspects or even people who the police have named as suspects or "persons of interest" who turn out to be innocent, it will hurt Anonymous's own reputation big-time.

    What they - and everyone else - can and should do is make sure that if you do run across child porn or links to what you think is child porn, you immediately report it to all relevant authorities and that if the authorities seem to be ignoring a case, that all relevant news outlets are notified. If the news outlets seem to be participating in a cover up, notify other news outlets, but be careful: What looks like a "news outlet conspiracy of silence" may be because the FBI is in the middle of a sting and the feds have asked the news outlets to keep quiet until the trap is sprung. If Anonymous's well-meaning attempts to bring things into the open result in the sting being aborted or going bust, well, that would be bad.

    On a side-note:

    * Do not go "looking for" child porn - you could wind up being charged and convicted yourself. If you are wondering what it's like, my best educated guess is it is like looking at images of concentration-camp children: 1) the underlying event that happened to land on camera haunts the person in the photograph for his or her life, 2) the image itself is likely to be so stomach-churning that it will haunt you for a long time, and even if it doesn't, 3) the knowledge of what happened to that child should haunt you for a long long time (if it doesn't, either you have grown jaded and I'm sad for you, or you need to talk to someone because your conscience may be less than that of the average adult's and this diminished conscience may lead you to hurt someone without realizing it and/or without caring)

    * If you routinely do things in your fight against child-porn that put you at a higher risk of running across it, as some of these Anonymous guys likely are, take technical steps to reduce your risk (use a text-only browser, for instance), and have a lawyer on retainer. Ask your lawyer what steps you need to take so when the police do come knocking it's painfully obvious to the police, the jury, and to everyone else that you are not intending to actually download or possess the stuff but sometimes it gets through your technical barriers.

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    1. Re: Avoid outing suspects, and other tips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Have you been screened for autism?

      I ask because you just posted your own theory of a "good way" to hunt for child pornographers via technical means and you expect that law enforcement would:
      1) Care about claims that a person following your advice is a vigilante, and
      2) Agree that they're one of "the good guys".

      I refer you to Han Reiser's trial where he thought that simply because the law has some passing resemblance to a logic-based coding system he was competent to defend himself.

      He was wrong in a classically autistic way. So are you.

      Your advice is horrible and is founded on insane premises. HTH.

    2. Re:Avoid outing suspects, and other tips by dcollins117 · · Score: 1

      Suspected != guilty and if they go around publicizing suspects or even people who the police have named as suspects or "persons of interest" who turn out to be innocent, it will hurt Anonymous's own reputation big-time.

      Yes, it would hurt Anonymous's sterling reputation as fine, upstanding citizens, full of kindness and charity, the very model of intergrity and all that is good in the world.

    3. Re:Avoid outing suspects, and other tips by DerekLyons · · Score: 2

      If the news outlets seem to be participating in a cover up, notify other news outlets, but be careful: What looks like a "news outlet conspiracy of silence" may be because the FBI is in the middle of a sting and the feds have asked the news outlets to keep quiet until the trap is sprung.

      Or the news outlets don't judge something that "links to what you think is child porn" to be newsworthy. (Which it isn't actually.) Or they lump you in with the dozens (or more) other tips from "crazies" they get on a daily basis. Or... any one of a dozen more perfectly sound reasons.
       

      If you routinely do things in your fight against child-porn that put you at a higher risk of running across it, as some of these Anonymous guys likely are, take technical steps to reduce your risk (use a text-only browser, for instance), and have a lawyer on retainer.

      See also "looks like a crazy because he claims to have found text that sounds like it might be associated with images he thinks are child porn".
       

      Ask your lawyer what steps you need to take so when the police do come knocking it's painfully obvious to the police, the jury, and to everyone else that you are not intending to actually download or possess the stuff but sometimes it gets through your technical barriers.

      And I suspect any lawyer worth his salt is going to advise you to just Stay The Fuck Away from the stuff. The only way to actually know it's there is to actually look at it - and the only way to do that is to actually download and possess it.

    4. Re: Avoid outing suspects, and other tips by davidwr · · Score: 1

      Have you been screened for autism?

      A few years back I did some pre-screenings for Asperger Syndrome. I was below the cutoff for further screening.

      Your advice is horrible and is founded on insane premises. HTH.

      If you are correct, then I hope the lawyer that I also advised "active hunters" to hire will tell them so.

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    5. Re:Avoid outing suspects, and other tips by davidwr · · Score: 1

      And I suspect any lawyer worth his salt is going to advise you to just Stay The Fuck Away from the stuff.

      If that's what your lawyer says, either follow his advice or get a 2nd opinion (and if they agree, follow the advice). They know the law as written and as enforced (i.e. whether the local, state, and national prosecutors will be "friendly" or "hostile" to you regardless of the actual statute) better than I do.

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    6. Re:Avoid outing suspects, and other tips by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      And I suspect any lawyer worth his salt is going to advise you to just Stay The Fuck Away from the stuff.

      If that's what your lawyer says, either follow his advice or get a 2nd opinion (and if they agree, follow the advice).

      If you want to do something of such high risk so badly that you'll lawyer shop until you get the advice you want - why bother to ask a lawyer at all?
       

      They know the law as written and as enforced (i.e. whether the local, state, and national prosecutors will be "friendly" or "hostile" to you regardless of the actual statute) better than I do.

      They know the law as written, and case law, but they have fuck all way of knowing which prosecutor you'll be brought to the attention of or how he'll react.

    7. Re: Avoid outing suspects, and other tips by Slashjones · · Score: 1

      Law enforcement rarely hunts actual predators. Instead, they mostly go after people who look at images and video and simply label them as predators, even if they never raped anyone. The actual rapists are often free to continue raping.

      But it's not a good idea at all to form some sort of unaccountable vigilante lynch mob.

    8. Re:Avoid outing suspects, and other tips by omnichad · · Score: 1

      make sure that if you do run across child porn or links to what you think is child porn, you immediately report it to all relevant authorities

      I'm afraid that if you do this, you will be convicted for possession. The authorities are desperate for convictions and your browser cache is enough for them.

  13. Pedophilia itself is not a crime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtuous_Pedophiles

  14. idiotic by slashmydots · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So there's a conspiracy of high ranking officials worldwide who all are in the same child abuse ring? I wonder if they've been presented with the counter-evidence of ummmmmmmm no there's not. They're going after something that doesn't exist. Yeah, I'm sure NBC didn't cover a story well enough because there's a giant pro-child abuse lobby working for them. Are they even serious? No wonder these people don't have full time IT jobs to occupy their times.

    1. Re:idiotic by Slashjones · · Score: 2

      Being a pedophile is also different from being a child molester or even someone who looks at child porn.

      Try googling "pedophile ring". Organized pedophilia is hardly hypothetical.

      Mostly just witch hunts and conspiracy theories.

    2. Re:idiotic by Slashjones · · Score: 2

      A nonexistent threat to myself? What are you even referring to?

      And I think it's amazing that you "for the children" losers are so concerned with something that in large part isn't even a significant problem to begin with. Car accidents (and many other things) are more of a concern to me than bogeymen like terrorists or child molesters.

      In fact, the real concern here is all the scumbags who take advantage of "We need to save the children!" fools and get them to support laws which violate our fundamental liberties and privacy. They're much more of a threat than child molesters or terrorists will ever be. Most of the 'threats' to us are in our own governments.

    3. Re:idiotic by Slashjones · · Score: 2

      Besides, why just children? Why not adult rape victims? Why are children put on such a pedestal? I for one don't think that children are magically more important than adults.

    4. Re:idiotic by gophther · · Score: 1, Interesting

      It speaks volumes that you are lumping organized pedophile rings that very much exist and destroy the lives of thousands of children, with "think of the children" idiots who don't want sex scenes in PG films.

    5. Re:idiotic by Slashjones · · Score: 1

      Pedophiles or child molesters? Pedophiles who look at child porn? Both? Which is it?

      These "pedophile rings" are much less of a threat to us than the NSA's mass surveillance, the thugs working for the TSA, car accidents, the freedom-hating "for the children", or any number of other things. To begin with, most of it's just witch hunt nonsense. I'm sure some of these rings do exist, but the threat is greatly exaggerated.

    6. Re:idiotic by Slashjones · · Score: 2

      Your lack of compassion for our fundamental liberties and your involvement with the illogical "for the children" crowd have been noted.

      You don't get to decide who I do or don't have compassion for, you ignorant fool, just like I don't get to decide that for you. Just because I don't worship children and place their lives above all else does not mean I have no compassion for rape victims. But do note that I have compassion for all rape victims, including those who are children.

      Introducing logic into a topic where people are screaming to burn the witches is never a bad thing, and it doesn't mean that you lack compassion for victims. I have no interest in your conspiracy theories or your exaggerated bogeymen, but that does not mean I feel no compassion for those who are raped.

    7. Re:idiotic by Slashjones · · Score: 2

      Resorting to name calling and conspiracy alleging doesn't make you look any better.

      You mean like how you said I supposedly have no compassion for victims? Name calling does not make any of my points valid. I've noticed that you've totally avoided putting forth any logical counterarguments and instead opted to comment about how I called you names or how you've decided in your own imagination that I have no compassion (irrelevant to the conversation anyway); why?

      it's going to help the cause of eradicating child exploitation

      Do you have any evidence that it will help, rather than end up with innocent people accused of things they did not do? Mob justice rarely is anything resembling actual justice, and I have severe doubts that anything "anonymous" will do will help the situation. But since you seem to have some evidence that I don't, perhaps you should put it forward?

      and there is nothing you can do about it.

      Probably not, just like I can't stop all the "protect the children" witch hunts that result in innocent people's lives ruined. Does that make you feel better?

    8. Re:idiotic by Slashjones · · Score: 1

      Name calling does not make any of my points valid.

      Or invalid, for that matter. It does not affect the validity of my points at all.

    9. Re:idiotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Have you heard of Jeffrey Epstein? or about what has been going on in England over the last year or so?

      It's really not a big stretch to say high ranking officials worldwide are all in the same child abuse ring. Right now we just need a pedo-Snowden to provide concrete proof of what is already known.

    10. Re:idiotic by DasDad · · Score: 1

      Try googling "dragon". Dragons are far from hypothetical! See all the people who claim to have seen dragons, are dragons or believe in dragons? And like organized pedophile rings among the rich and powerful, the media is too scared to reveal their existence with any form of proof or cooperating evidence!

    11. Re:idiotic by oobayly · · Score: 1

      You do realise the investigation into the deaths is related to a Tory MP from the 80s, don't you? It has no relation to the palace or Jeffrey Epstein.
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...
      Your comment shows how badly this Anonymous campaign can go (if they actually bother to do it) - people find it a lot easier just to fling accusations around with no attempt to even do a simple fact check.

    12. Re:idiotic by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Aw, you were doing so well. I agreed with you up to this point.

      1. Children need looking after, that's just how they are. It's not putting them on a pedestal, it's recognizing that they are vulnerable.

      2. It's possible to deal with one issue at a time. Just because bad things happen to other people does not mean concentrating on one group with particular issues and needs is wrong.

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    13. Re:idiotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      " the counter-evidence of ummmmmmmm no there's not"

      You should read "The Franklin Cover-Up" by John Decamp, and do some research on the Canadian whistle-blowing police officer "Perry Dunlop", Google "Mark Dutroux", and "Elm House", for starters, before making such a ridiculous and uninformed comment.

      Pedophilia is the fabric that holds the establishment together.

    14. Re:idiotic by Slashjones · · Score: 1

      1. Children need looking after, that's just how they are. It's not putting them on a pedestal, it's recognizing that they are vulnerable.

      This is a misunderstanding of what I am saying. What I am saying is that children's lives aren't more important than the lives of anyone else. It is just as bad for an adult to be raped as it is for a child to be raped.

      2. It's possible to deal with one issue at a time. Just because bad things happen to other people does not mean concentrating on one group with particular issues and needs is wrong.

      No, but as you may have noticed, the "for the children" crowd goes absolutely nuts when it comes to children, to the point where some of their nonsense has actually been put in laws. The sheer amount of focus put on children is further shown every time a politician uses the "We need to save the children!" excuse to violate our liberties. It's right up there with terrorism.

    15. Re:idiotic by Slashjones · · Score: 1

      The reason that the 'elitists' get away with spying and engaging in immoral and illegal behaviour is because they are connected to the old-boy pedophile rings.

      The ones that haven't been shown to exist, you mean. This is a mere conspiracy theory.

      The NSA violates my and other people's rights far more than some "pedophile rings" of such scale that can only exist in the minds of conspiracy theorists. To begin with, these dubious "pedophile rings" would only affect a small portion of kids at most, whereas the NSA's mass surveillance is vast.

      This is truly pathetic. This "For the children!" nonsense has no business here.

  15. Only 45 replies and we are Godwin'd by davidwr · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Only 45 replies and we are Godwin'd. On a serious note, I think your 2nd paragraph is unfortunately true on a practical level. So is your first, for that matter.

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  16. Re:biological imperative by Serge_Tomiko · · Score: 1

    It cannot be anything but a conspiracy

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J...

  17. Since when does ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

    ... Anonymous need help?

    Since the real Anonymous got sent to jail.

    This is a publicity stunt.

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    1. Re:Since when does ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      A dictionary is out of context.

      Top members of hacking group Anonymous arrested after LEADER 'betrays them and works with FBI for six months'

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  18. 1982 called, they want their postal inspector back by davidwr · · Score: 1

    I was under the impression that this kind of thing was reduced to a pretty small problem and that very little new child pornography was being made

    This was practically true in the early 1980s, before digital tech got cheap.

    For a few years, the postal inspectors were catching each other far more than they were catching real child-porn purveyors.

    Prior to the very late 1980s, child porn was *arguably* legal in at least some parts of the United States. Congress changed the laws and the feds started cracking down big-time on international and postal child-porn traffic (this was in the early days of FedEx) and the open-market importing of child-porn-containing magazines from abroad through the mail system ended for good as a result.

    The advent of cheap/free ways of getting a photo into a computer and sending it to anyone who wanted it with a low risk of getting caught (at least a low risk in the 1980s and early 1990s) allowed the problem to go from almost nothing to whatever it is today.

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  19. Prior to the very late 1970s, **NOT 1980s** by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Prior to the very late 1980s, child porn was *arguably* legal in at least some parts of the United States

    The paragraph should read:

    Prior to the very late 1970s, child porn was *arguably* legal in at least some parts of the United States. Congress changed the laws and the feds started cracking down big-time on international and postal child-porn traffic (this was in the early days of FedEx) and the open-market importing of child-porn-containing magazines from abroad through the mail system ended for good as a result.

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  20. Re:Be careful by SternisheFan · · Score: 1

    Well If you're Pete Townsend of The Who you can just claim (after the fact) that it's "research" you were doing, no charges brought.

  21. Re:They can start with Epstein and Andrew! by gophther · · Score: 1

    It's true, it is no accident that everything Anonymous does now is in line with our foreign policy and law enforcement objectives. Maybe even more clever than that, because pedophilia is a touchy subject internationally with our allies, many of whom have no problem selling little girls to rich men and see people not in their class as totally expendable. By having this seeming independent group of "anarchists" take on those touchy issues, you have ample plausible deniability, and you get your objectives met with relatively little effort and exposure.

    Really I think it's a good use of all those little script kiddie punks' time and effort. Do something useful instead of just undermining our own institutions.

  22. what about the Jimmy Saville case? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The BBC covered up a serial child rapist. He was well connected to politicians.

  23. ".to find the 20 worst ones" by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Maybe Anonymous's next project will be to write a computer program to help with this, so the Chief Censor in NZ won't have to wade through 19,980 not-quite-the-worst images while looking for the 20 worst ones.

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  24. Re:Want evidence of an organized pedophile network by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Of course, it's (mostly) legal there

    As they say on Wikipedia, "citation needed."

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  25. Re: Be careful by gweihir · · Score: 1

    And how are you going to associate those hashes with anything real, unless you have the database of what is real? Law enforcement can work with hashes, because they have a legal exception to actually also have the real images. Anybody else doing this is just a CP owner.

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  26. Re:biological imperative by Slashjones · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I am swayed.

    I'm not. I grow tired of people treating adults as if their lives are worth less than the lives of children, and I will not sacrifice our fundamental liberties in exchange for 'safety' from bogeymen, even if that safety is real. Freedom is what's important.

    As the facts come forth we will know more. If the accusations are true then let the offenders be castrated and tortured to death. I will volunteer to do it with a rusty blade.

    There's absolutely no accountability or standards of evidence. Even if they are true, though, by revealing that you support the death penalty (and torture), you've revealed yourself to be a mere barbarian ruled by their emotions and desires for vengeance.

  27. Re:biological imperative by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Mammals, including humans, have a biological directive to protect infants.

    Most so-called "child porn" doesn't involve infants, it involves sexually mature persons who happen to be under some arbitrary, country-dependent age limit, and for a straight male to be attracted to a young female who has just reached sexual maturity is a strong biological drive. Our legislation on child protection and child porn has little to do with biology, statistics, or reason, it has to do with fear mongering and hysteria over a horrible but rare crime.

    Now, as someone who has always been attracted to older guys, I really don't care about any of this (well, when I was 14, it would have been nice if the age of consent had been a little lower, but that was long ago). But I find these misrepresentations and this fear mongering offensive because irrational fear among parents ends up causing an erosion of our privacy and civil liberties, and it diverts resources from far more important issues.

  28. Anonymous is dead by DasDad · · Score: 1

    Any wannabe pseudo-subversive can upload a YouTube video and claim (correctly) to be Anonymous. But it seems that most of the original network that made up Anonymous seems to be either locked up, moved on to other endeavours, or went back to /b and 8chan... The few that are left, and whoever they've managed to attract, seem to consist mostly of the loony, Alex Jones-listening extremist fringe-elements, if this "Operation Deatheaters" is to be taken seriously. Sure Anonymous... Go ahead and try to find your imaginary pedophile super villains. We'll be waiting for news about these huge networks of pedophile police officers, powerful politicians, businessmen, etc. that pull the strings and keep their evil conspiracy so well hidden! But you already know, that all they'll uncover will be allegations, accusations and maybe doxx of some poor saps who had some pedo pics, got arrested and convicted and did their time already.

  29. Anonymous is dead by DasDad · · Score: 1

    Any wannabe pseudo-subversive can upload a YouTube video and claim (correctly) to be Anonymous. But it seems that most of the original network that made up Anonymous seems to be either locked up, moved on to other endeavours, or went back to /b and 8chan... The few that are left, and whoever they've managed to attract, seem to consist mostly of the loony, Alex Jones-listening extremist fringe-elements, if this "Operation Deatheaters" is to be taken seriously. Sure Anonymous... Go ahead and try to find your imaginary pedophile super villains. We'll be waiting for news about these huge networks of pedophile police officers, powerful politicians, businessmen, etc. that pull the strings and keep their evil conspiracy so well hidden! But you already know, that all they'll uncover will be allegations, accusations and maybe doxx of some poor saps who had some pedo pics, got arrested and convicted and did their time already.

  30. Talk about jumping the shark... by DasDad · · Score: 1

    Since Anonymous have apparently been taken over by the loony, Alex-Jones listening fringe, I suppose that "Operation Inside Job" or "Operation find the REAL 9/11 perpetrators" is next. Thats the logical next step, if you believe that huge, powerful pedophile networks are being protected by "a conspiracy of silence among sympathetic politicians, police and mainstream media" isn't it?

  31. Re:Anonymous is asking to breach National Security by jandersen · · Score: 2

    The problem is that if someone will make a serious progress... is it likely that he/she will be called pedophile himself/herself? Will it require for the activists to keep samples of the problematic photos?

    It is something that will require careful and well thought through handling, that much is certain; and it will probably involve cooperating with the police. It is not wise to risk looking like you've been sitting on a stash of pedophile materials.

    But I think there is a more fundamental problem, when it comes to pedophilia, which is that it is surrounded by taboos, to the extent that it actually difficult to research. And as long as we don't understand it well enough, we are essentially working blind. For one thing, we don't really know why some become pedophiles, so it is hard to guess what is the appropriate course of action, once you've caught them. Take punishment, for example - is it likely to work at all? And if punishment makes no difference, should we simply lock them up and throw away the key? Would it be better (for society) to euthanise them? Punishment only works if the person being punished accepts that they have done anything wrong and that they need to change their course of actions in order to become part of society.

    Another, probably more important problem is that we still understand too little about why and how being abused sexually as a child is damaging, and that makes it more difficult to help the victims overcome their traumas.

  32. Try again and now actually THINK this time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You just failed civilised society 101: We. Do Not. Do. Vigilantism.

    Administrating justice is the government's job, on the presumption it'll do it fairly. You might look at McCarthyism to see what happens if the fairness goes away, and the slightest suspicion is enough to ruin someone's life for the rest of his life. Here, you just have to point at somebody and cry "pedo!" and that's all he wrote.

    The accused might as well step out, there's nothing but eternal losing battle left. And that quite regardless of whether the accusations are in any way warranted. So innocents will go down, just like in the commie-hunts. But that was with hearings and things, this is just over-eager "hacktivist" kids scraping together whatever data they might find. This is an online version of playing with wd40 and lighters in a paper, wood, rope, and oil factory. Everyone involved ought to know better.

    You have a point, though: The whole thing is hard to think about, because invariably our lizard brain steps in and people run entirely on "must! protect! the! children!" emotions. There's no thought here, just lizard brains running on instinct. And that is a very effective way to pave the road to hell. So step back and actually think this time.

  33. Dont fight pedophiles by drolli · · Score: 1

    but fight pedophile criminals.

    That being said, i doubt that i wnat to put justice in this respect in anonymous hands.

  34. Re: Men can marry young girls in Old Testament. by DasDad · · Score: 1

    Yes... And Muhammed the prophet of Islam married a ten year old, which would undoubtedly have labeled him a pedophile in today's world. Jewish law also doesn't forbid marrying a girl under (today's) age of consent. I'm sure it's not much of a surprise to well rounded readers of Slashdot, that the moral and legal standards a thousand years ago, or more, are quite different from our own. Do you have a point to make?

  35. Some front page editing? by binarybum · · Score: 1

    C'mon /. editors. The example at the end of this summary paragraph is really graphic, jarring and terrifying. It's a little much for a front-page headline summary and frankly unnecessary to the subject of the story anyway. A little bit of journalistic couth would be appreciated.

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  36. validation by Tom · · Score: 1

    the ongoing work, which has been divided into three steps.

    None of which is validation of the information.

    It'll be interesting to watch how much of this is going to end up being disclosure, how much a witch hunt and how much targeted disinformation. It's already far too popular to destroy peoples' lives by accusing them of kiddie porn, now you can make an anonymous account on Github and add your enemies.

    We seem to forget too often that the more vile the crime, the more sure you need to be that you actually have the guilty party. Falsely accusing someone of a petty theft is bad, but it will be forgotten. Falsely accusing someone of murder, rape or kiddie porn, not so much.

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  37. Re:Now wait a second.. by Slashjones · · Score: 1

    Since pedophiles also didn't "choose to be born this way", why the hostility and dehumanization, even in the case of abstinent pedophiles who attend (the limited) number of programs for them, and don't download illegal images?

    The fact that there is such a thing as "illegal images" is disgusting, and in the US (despite what our authoritarian courts have said), unconstitutional.

    As for why all the demonization: The matter involves children. These people are ruled by their primitive instincts to such a degree that anyone who even slightly looks at their children in a way they don't approve of becomes a demon that is going to everyone. Forget the constitution and forget fundamental liberties; anything measure that these people think will increase the safety of children is acceptable, because they believe that our fundamental freedoms are less important than safety, a mindset that leads to tyranny.

  38. Re:Now wait a second.. by Slashjones · · Score: 1

    These people are ruled by their primitive instincts to such a degree that anyone who even slightly looks at their children in a way they don't approve of becomes a demon that is going to kill everyone.*

  39. Not covered by the WaPo or the NYT? by jcr · · Score: 1

    The guy must have something to hold over the heads of some media bigshots. I can't see any other reason why the two top Democratic party media properties would pass on giving the Republicans a black eye like this.

    -jcr

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    1. Re:Not covered by the WaPo or the NYT? by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Probably because this guy isn't associated with the Republican party in any official manner. TFA indicates that he worked for a company called Base Connect, which is currently under investigation for soliciting donations from senior citizens to political campaigns, and instead of giving the money to the campaigns, the company just pockets it.

      In other words, he worked for a company that claims to be a Republican fundraiser, only it isn't actually one. Instead it's some kind of boiler room tele-fraud type company.

      Yet somehow this got spun as being a big Republican conspiracy.

      The reason this isn't big news is because it's literally a story of "Some guy raped his 5 year old daughter, got fired from his job, and is currently in jail. More news at 11." There wasn't anything sensational about it, so it didn't make national news.

  40. That is not a conspiracy. Nor semantics. by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Not the purposefully coordinated kind where everyone meets in a dark room somewhere to plot their actions, but the kind where everyone sharing fundamentally rotten values leads to effectively coordinated flock behaviour.

    That's philosophy. Ideology. Worldview.

    There is no need for a conspiracy to cover up anything - if everyone KNOWS not to be a "snitch". Or a "rat". Or a "stool pigeon".
    You know... a traitor.

    People will act independently towards the same goal, if they share the same philosophy or ideology.
    Individuals don't even need to be aware of each other's existence for it to work.
    They just need to have a same set of beliefs and/or ideas.

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  41. Re: Men can marry young girls in Old Testament. by DasDad · · Score: 1

    Less than 20% of women in the US identify themselves as feminists*. In Europe the highest support is among Italian women, where only 31% would call themselves a feminist. So your irrational fear of feminists is groundless. They've managed to alienate most of the people they claim to represent, and outside of a few hotbeds of revolutionary Marxism in a handful of universities, they have become an irrelevant footnote and relic of the past. Like hippies or The abstinence movement. Moreover, they're also completely irrelevant to the subject at hand, so perhaps your trolling is needed elsewhere? *Not to be confused with equality regardless of sex, which around two-thirds support.

  42. Re:biological imperative by Slashjones · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But they are.

    No, they aren't. There is no objective value to someone's life. A child's life is no more important than my own.

    while children are potentially part of the solution

    Everyone is potentially part of the solution. You may say that the chances that an adult could change their views are slim, but I'd say the chances that a child could be part of the solution when they grow up is just about as slim.

  43. Re:biological imperative by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

    You may say that the chances that an adult could change their views are slim, but I'd say the chances that a child could be part of the solution when they grow up is just about as slim.

    Ah, but the adult has to change their views and accomplish something, the bar is much higher.

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  44. Re:Conflicted : all for it yet scares the crop out by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

    The brain?

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  45. Re:Just Give Me A List & Some Cash by gweihir · · Score: 1

    The world runs on useful idiots. Maybe the prison system needs propping up and they are trying to generate a few vigilante murderers and eliminate some political opposition in the process.

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  46. Re:Now wait a second.. by gweihir · · Score: 1

    And they are harming their children that way. Children in the US these days are locked-in, always supervised, never learn to be autonomous or make their own decisions. The adults this produces are crippled. All because of some imaginary people that abduct children to rape them, which basically never happens for any practical purpose. When all police statistics say that by far the most danger to children comes from their parents and "strangers" do not even make the statistics, they are so rare as a source of danger. What these people fail to realize is that _they_ are the primary danger to their children, or they are violently misdirecting to others because they _know_ it.

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  47. Re:Is this a joke? by gweihir · · Score: 1

    This whole thing is not credible at all. After all, some of the supposedly abused children would have remembered later and some pictures would have shown up. A large conspiracy cannot be kept completely secret, history has shown that time and again.

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  48. Re:Anonymous is asking to breach National Security by LaurenCates · · Score: 1

    I've lost my taste for the death penalty over the years (in my 20's, I would have gladly told you to put any convicted pedophile to death as soon as humanly possible). It's the result of a system that creates criminals only to punish them. That's why I agree with you in theory, but in practice, a lot of the bite gets lost by the fact that the penal system continues to punish, not rehabilitate (you surround a criminal with criminals, the only thing you ever produce is someone who knows how to interact with criminals). And then society continues to punish.

    Not that I can terribly blame society for mistrusting criminals. Again, the penal system doesn't do a good job of rehab. Some criminals return to the cycle of criminal behavior because sometimes, they have no idea what else to do.

    It makes me truly sad that as a society, we're at an impasse when it comes to criminals. You can rehab the hell out of someone, but even the most self-aware criminals know there's not much hope of a regular life for them.

    And no, I have no idea how to fix that. I wish I did, but I suspect there's no money in fixing that problem even if I had a few decent ideas.

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  49. Re:Oh dear by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Actually, there is no way this can go right. I expect that we will see people having planted evidence on their machines, vigilante murder, false accusations in spades, etc. This may be the absolutely worst thing they could do.

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  50. Re: biological imperative by DasDad · · Score: 1

    Sounds about as credible, as when people say that "a lot of black people are violent by nature...." Without offering any other proof than their own observations.

  51. A Noble Venture ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... to be sure.

    The group is calling on volunteers to help with the ongoing work, which has been divided into three steps. The first is about collecting "all the factual information,"

    So how will we know the difference between the Anon. warriors for justice and any other paedophile collecting material?

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  52. Why "DeathEater" ? by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

    Obviously a Harry Potter reference, but it seems like an odd choice. Perhaps after shutting down all the pedophiles, they can find the secret to immortality, and purge the mudbloods from the world too.

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  53. Elite Pedophile Ring Reference Material by MagickalMyst · · Score: 1
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  54. Why? by MagickalMyst · · Score: 1

    "For one thing, we don't really know why some become pedophiles"

    Sure we do.

    Many pedophiles mimic the abuse that they suffered as a child.

    And many, many more pedophiles are coerced into it via old-boys clubs, fraternities, secret societies, etc.
    It is part of being a 'privileged' member of the club.
    "Play ball and keep our secrets and you will do well in life and your career. Expose us and we will destroy you."

    Even Freemasons must engage in sexual relations with other members in order to become a member of the 'brotherhood" - albeit with adult members, not children. I have heard that pedophilia occurs higher up in the degrees (Shriners) but I don't know that for a fact.

    Homosexual activities - aka "brotherly love" - are part of the initiation of a 3rd degree, or "master mason". Interestingly, the Masons are known to recruit "good, upstanding, financially secure, (heterosexually) married men".

    Women cannot become real Freemasons because the sexual initiation rites at the 3rd degree require the initiate to have a penis.

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    1. Re:Why? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      We may know why some pedophiles get that way, but until it's safe to discuss one's pedophilia with a therapist we're not going to know as much as we should.

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    2. Re: Why? by DasDad · · Score: 1

      I assume your best source for this information, is some guy ranting at another forum?'

    3. Re:Why? by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

      How about shemales?

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  55. Re:I was under the impression by MagickalMyst · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately the elite pedophile rings are 100% true. It is an epidemic, and it is very, very sad.

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  56. Re:They can start with Epstein and Andrew! by MagickalMyst · · Score: 1

    I agree. And i've also wondered if Anonymous wasn't created by NSA/Mossad/GCHQ. It would explain a lot.

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  57. Re:A bit of "Add Vice" by MagickalMyst · · Score: 1

    Agree. A rusty vice.

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  58. Re:Have I been hiding under a rock? by MagickalMyst · · Score: 1

    Members of pedophile rings are protected by the system. Plain and simple.

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  59. Re:Conflicted : all for it yet scares the crop out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Provide a link to a credible reference. Because you are wrong.

  60. There's something tacitly cowardly by ToddInSF · · Score: 1

    about targeting people like this and seeking to defame them and accuse them of things, while at the same time hiding and having no fear of repercussion for what mistakes you make and the innocent people you will inevitably harm along the way.

    Vigilantes aren't heroes; they aren't seeking justice of any sort, they are not out to actually change anything.

    All they really accomplish is destruction and the induction of fear.

    Pedophilia is bad. But so is the use of confidential underage informants by the police in the USA every day. DA's and prosecutors take part in this fiasco, children have died as a result, yet nobody really cares.

    If you're going to take the high road when it come to the harming of children, start with the war on drugs and the cops, district attorneys, the DEA, and the courts role in the systematic exploitation of children to justify the militarization of the police force and SWAT teams and bloated law enforcement budgets.

    Insisting that pedophiles that have acted on their proclivities be convicted based on things called evidence and due process shouldn't make you a target by an organized group of anonymous basement dwellers.

  61. Re:biological imperative by jelizondo · · Score: 1

    Do you have children? Will you NOT be a barbarian clamoring for vengeance if they were molested or raped?

    Tell you what, get some children of your own and THEN you can have an opinion.

    I will be a barbarian and get some vengeance upon any SOB who dares touch my children; if they are YOURS I will be very civilized...

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