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EFF: Hundreds of S. Carolina Prisoners Sent To Solitary For Social Media Use

According to the EFF's Deep LInks, Through a request under South Carolina’s Freedom of Information Act, EFF found that, over the last three years, prison officials have brought more than 400 hundred disciplinary cases for "social networking" — almost always for using Facebook. The offenses come with heavy penalties, such as years in solitary confinement and deprivation of virtually all privileges, including visitation and telephone access. In 16 cases, inmates were sentenced to more than a decade in what’s called disciplinary detention, with at least one inmate receiving more than 37 years in isolation. ... The sentences are so long because SCDC issues a separate Level 1 violation for each day that an inmate accesses a social network. An inmate who posts five status updates over five days, would receive five separate Level 1 violations, while an inmate who posted 100 updates in one day would receive only one. In other words, if a South Carolina inmate caused a riot, took three hostages, murdered them, stole their clothes, and then escaped, he could still wind up with fewer Level 1 offenses than an inmate who updated Facebook every day for two weeks.

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  1. Unequal application of the law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    When can we start punishing non-inmates for this offense?

    1. Re:Unequal application of the law by Gr33nJ3ll0 · · Score: 1
    2. Re:Unequal application of the law by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Society needs its demons.

      I've repeated this numerous times, and I'll repeat it again: Few people are interested in actual justice. Most of them just want somebody that they can publicly rail against for the sole purpose of making themselves feel righteous. It has nothing to do with righting any wrong.

      It's not just the police, the prison guards, or the judges that are guilty of it. It's a systemic problem. Some of the worst bullies I've seen are those who target supposed bullies.

    3. Re:Unequal application of the law by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bullshit. Her tweet was making light of our first world bubble. It wasn't worded quite well, but when you look at the context based on her other tweets, it's very self evident.

      All of us have said stupid things now and then. Every last one of us. Nobody deserves to have their lives ruined over just one sentence. As the article linked mentions, some historical figures ended the practice of public shaming because they found many cases where it is measurably worse than a death sentence.

      That isn't justice. People like you who espouse such an outcome don't give a shit about justice. Your only motivation is to make yourself feel righteous at their expense, and righting a wrong never comes into play.

    4. Re:Unequal application of the law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Of course I have, I just haven't spouted off jokes that were offensive to entire ethnic groups.

    5. Re:Unequal application of the law by unixisc · · Score: 3, Funny

      When can we start punishing non-inmates for this offense?

      EFF may back these prisoners using FaceBook. But if RMS, who is a major backer of EFF, had his way, then the prisoners are being made to do exactly what he wants everybody to do - avoid FaceBook. Had EFF checked w/ RMS, he'd have told them that this is a good thing.

      The proper solution to this would be to sentence SC prisoners to deal only w/ GNU Social. Which is GNU's AGPL3 licensed social networking site. Prison officials should provide them computers that can only access that, and maybe eliminate browsers from the computers being used. Heck, let's provide all prisoners w/ Libre-Linux computers running only GPL3 software, and then tell them that that's all they're allowed to use.

      After all, they are prisoners for a reason. };-)

    6. Re:Unequal application of the law by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, because making an obvious joke immediately qualifies you as a racist. If that's the case, then me and the majority of people I know are racist, sexist, homophobic, and/or antisemitic.

    7. Re:Unequal application of the law by diamondmagic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Bullshit. Words don't make a person racist, actions do.

      And stop pretending to get offended on other people's behalf. It's condesending.

    8. Re:Unequal application of the law by fractoid · · Score: 1

      You really think none of your jokes have ever offended an entire group? Typical stupid AC. :P

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    9. Re:Unequal application of the law by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Self inflicted and well deserved.

      I guess the war has been harsh to you.

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    10. Re:Unequal application of the law by Pi1grim · · Score: 1

      It's not about avoiding Facebook. It's about a screwed up system that doesn't serve it's purpose. Seeking communication outside prison walls for extended periods of time without intent to harm anyone is barely a worse infraction than taking a life of another human being, and yet is punished more harshly. That's the issue here, not Facebook.

    11. Re:Unequal application of the law by dywolf · · Score: 1

      Such extreme public shaming is one of the most despicable things humans do. It's schadenfreude taken to the extreme.
      It's a violation of most of the values of modern civilization, and a return to mob rule and mob justice.
      It's punishment completely out of proportion to the incident.
      And the internet has allowed it to return.

      There must always be room for forgiveness and understanding.
      Particularly of people who simply made a mistake and/or who truly want to change.

      But people don't want to do that anymore.
      They want to burn you at the stake immediately and forever.

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    12. Re:Unequal application of the law by dywolf · · Score: 2

      It was satire you dolt. It was a send up of the so-called first world bubble, the ignorant American.
      someone outside her small social circle saw it, took it out of context, and ruined her life for it.

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    13. Re:Unequal application of the law by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      This is an impressive display of putting words into people's mouths. You are aware there's a massive difference between someone saying "I think it'd be better if people did X and didn't do Y" and them saying "People should be forced to do X, and punished for doing Y"?

      I'd say you don't understand nuance, but this isn't even at that level. It's a ludicrously over the top mis-extrapolation of someone's views. This kind of "debate", a refusal to listen to what people actually say, and attempts to make them look ridiculous by deliberately misrepresenting their views, is why we can't have nice things.

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    14. Re:Unequal application of the law by s.petry · · Score: 1

      No, they hate entire ranges of people that don't "think" the same exact thing that the "haters" think. If you can't see the irony in that, you are what Rush Limbaugh would call a "low IQ voter". Let me guess, 83? 84?

      Anyone with a reasonable amount of intelligence understands that the South Park episode "Butterballs" was a comedy pointing out the irony in that class of thinking, while you take it as a way of life.

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    15. Re:Unequal application of the law by dave420 · · Score: 1

      You do realise that to rational people, your vomitous post only achieved one thing - to show the reader that you really don't understand the world you live in, or fully appreciate that other people are just as much a person as you are. I'm sure you envisaged it as some sabre-like attack on the "current state of things", but that clearly backfired.

      "Muslim Caliphate" and "PC pussies" show everyone just how lost you truly are. It's sad. Something must have gone terribly wrong in your life for you to hold such unfounded opinions.

    16. Re:Unequal application of the law by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Words don't make a person racist, actions do.

      Speaking is an action. The pen is mightier than the sword, because ultimately the sword obeys the pen. And like any weapon, the pen too can cut the user. Especially if they play around without thinking.

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    17. Re:Unequal application of the law by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      I remember on Through the Wormhole, Morgan Freeman (black) was presenting somebody's evidence that there are differing IQ levels between races, with blacks and latinos being near the bottom, whites in the middle, and asians and jews near the top.

      That's a pretty clear example of an uncomfortable truth, and the woman who did the research behind it said she was always getting accused of being racist.

      But at the same time both her and Freeman were saying (correctly, I might add) that IQ isn't a terribly good measure of somebody's overall smarts.

      At any rate, I'll probably get accused of being racist for what I said above. I couldn't care less what the PC police have to say about my post though.

    18. Re:Unequal application of the law by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      Society needs its demons.

      I've repeated this numerous times, and I'll repeat it again: Few people are interested in actual justice. Most of them just want somebody that they can publicly rail against for the sole purpose of making themselves feel righteous. It has nothing to do with righting any wrong.

      It's not just the police, the prison guards, or the judges that are guilty of it. It's a systemic problem. Some of the worst bullies I've seen are those who target supposed bullies.

      Prisons are "For profit institutions". What another way to extend a prisoner's stay and another few dollars of revenue.

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  2. Media by kcwhitta · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It'll be interesting to see how long it takes for the mainstream media to run with this.

  3. When did facebook become a right? by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't see why inmates need access to it at all. They can find plenty of other ways to not be productive.

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    1. Re:When did facebook become a right? by jandrese · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Like being in prison?

      Looks to me like they're already disallowed Facebook access, since it lands them in Solitary. I'm guessing this is mostly a "covert communication with the outside" type violation though. The prisons are trying to prevent gang leaders/drug lords/etc... from running their empires while locked up. Plus, they don't get to rip off the prisoners with their massively inflated telephone fees.

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    2. Re:When did facebook become a right? by buchner.johannes · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't see why inmates need access to it at all. They can find plenty of other ways to not be productive.

      When did Social Media use become an offense? If you can have visitors and make phone calls, why not Internet access. Or vice versa, if you are in solitary confinement, why did they have internet access?

      And what on Earth is the point in punishing this? Who gains anything by punishment?

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    3. Re:When did facebook become a right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Therefore, accessing a social media site should result in a decade or more of additional punishment. QED, amiright?

    4. Re:When did facebook become a right? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't see why inmates need access to it at all.

      Because social connections reduce recidivism.

      America imprisons more people than any other country. On a per-capita basis we imprison more than Russia, Saudia Arabia, Cuba, and four times as many as China. We spend more on prisons than the rest of the world combined. Yet we have one of the worse recidivism rates. It would be hard to design a dumber system even if you tried. Enforcing social isolation just makes it even worse.

    5. Re:When did facebook become a right? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      When did facebook become a right?

      I don't think anyone's saying it should be, are they?

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    6. Re:When did facebook become a right? by g0bshiTe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Who gains anything by punishment?"

      The privatized prison system can then charge more for the offender as the stay has been extended.

      To OP there that thinks it's so they can't run a criminal business, in some form or another gang leaders have been running their organizations from behind bars in some cases decades before the creation of the internet.

      What's the difference?

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    7. Re:When did facebook become a right? by JoeIsuzu83 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      America imprisons more people than any other country. On a per-capita basis we imprison more than Russia, Saudia Arabia, Cuba, and four times as many as China. We spend more on prisons than the rest of the world combined. Yet we have one of the worse recidivism rates. It would be hard to design a dumber system even if you tried. Enforcing social isolation just makes it even worse.

      Excellent point. So maybe if we just replicate the prison conditions of Russia, Saudi Arabia, Cuba, and China--
      Would that reduce recidivism? Goodbye, Facebook!

    8. Re:When did facebook become a right? by g0bshiTe · · Score: 3, Informative

      Also it looks like we aren't just talking of using a common computer, this may be more about contraband cell phones.

      http://charlestonthuglife.net/...

      This is the guy mentioned that got 37.5 years solitary.

      http://charlestonthuglife.net/...

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    9. Re:When did facebook become a right? by ShaunC · · Score: 4, Funny

      Then Facebook access would be monitored like phone calls.

      We're talking about the Land of the Free, here. Facebook access is already monitored like phone calls. You don't even have to be in prison.

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    10. Re:When did facebook become a right? by aberglas · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Reducing recidivism is un-American, because it works against the greatest prison system in the world.

    11. Re:When did facebook become a right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The private prisons, of course. 48 out of 50 states have a contract stating they will keep 90% or more bed occupancy or else face fines.

      Private prisons also mean the private prison lobby... DAs have to press charges or else they get voted out. Judges have to have a conviction ratio or else be replace by judges who will hand out long sentences and convict. Even PDs are pressed to demand that defendants plead.

    12. Re:When did facebook become a right? by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm guessing this is mostly a "covert communication with the outside" type violation though. The prisons are trying to prevent gang leaders/drug lords/etc... from running their empires while locked up.

      Not to mention, those who would harass the victims of their crimes or plot escape with outside help. There are some serious considerations involved in the social ostracism of convicts.

      To be fair, there are undoubtedly folks in prison for victimless crimes.

      The thing is, there are some real deal malevolent maternal copulaters who richly deserve to be there. It's difficult enough to make rules in society that are fair to everyone, and the prison systems are not run by folks who will suffer much insomnia for applying rules that err on the side of caution.

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    13. Re:When did facebook become a right? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 5, Informative

      The private prisons, of course. 48 out of 50 states have a contract stating they will keep 90% or more bed occupancy or else face fines.

      Well, no.

      27 States have one or more privately operated prisons.

      The 48 (and 90%) number(s) comes from a letter sent to 48 governors OFFERING to buy and run their prison systems privately.

      And NONE of the States accepted the offer. not one.

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    14. Re:When did facebook become a right? by thesupraman · · Score: 1

      Actually you are wrong and they are right.
      No doubt you think they Seychelles number gives you an out, except it is wrong.
      The reason for that very high number is the UK runs a detention centre there that is used to hold international pirates caught
      by a number of countries navies, including the US - so it has NOTHING to do with the Seychelles except that it is located there.
      (in fact this also applies to several of the other small island nations in that area also reporting high numbers).

      The US number, on the other hand exclused a very large amount of people that they decided technically didnt count, for example
      anyone in youth detention, military, prisons not on UA soil, etc. so its number is highly underreported.

      And yes, the US is approximately 4 TIMES the rate of china.

      So, you are completely wrong, he is absolutely correct, and you are an idiot.

    15. Re:When did facebook become a right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I agree this country has gone far to PC

      The ONLY rights prisoners have are:
      Shelter
      Food
      Proper medical treatment
      freedom from abuse (from staff as well as other prisoners)
      access to visitation with legal counsel.

      They might be able to earn other privileges but those are just that PRIVILEGES and there are penalties for abusing them.

    16. Re:When did facebook become a right? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Including China isn't telling because China executes a lot of people.

      China executes a few hundred people per year.
      America imprisons a few million people.

    17. Re:When did facebook become a right? by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      actually, you could still end up with less prisoners? which is kind of funny since those countries are known to put people in prison just for having an opinion and have even stricter drug/substance laws..

      were they using the facebook access to run a gang and to arrange mass murders? no? don't add 100 years to their sentence then if you don't want outsiders to think you have a fucked up justice system. ...actually is the result of the piss poor justice system you have from start to end, including prosecutor deals, parallel construction, too little of police training, too little of prison personnel training.. it's like USA is a third world country when it comes to these things - claiming to be one of the richest countries in the world and with most resources and yet they can't afford to train the police 5 years before giving them permit to go around patrolling alone with instructions to shoot(to kill) if they feel threatened.

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    18. Re:When did facebook become a right? by DrXym · · Score: 1

      For obvious reasons - because they don't want crims making unmonitored communications with their buddies / accomplices on the outside.

    19. Re:When did facebook become a right? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      To OP there that thinks it's so they can't run a criminal business, in some form or another gang leaders have been running their organizations from behind bars in some cases decades before the creation of the internet. What's the difference?

      In the old days they had to be really clever and sly about it rather than hide a phone up their ass.

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    20. Re:When did facebook become a right? by f3rret · · Score: 1

      I don't see why inmates need access to it at all. They can find plenty of other ways to not be productive.

      It's not a question of Facebook or whatever being a "right", it is about the punishment for using Facebook is out of proportion to the violation.

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    21. Re:When did facebook become a right? by nobuddy · · Score: 1

      The information needs to be correct when addressing a societal wrong. Inflating numbers never works, people wind up focusing on the inflation and ignoring the issue.

      Any number above 0% in any state that is privately run is an outrage.

  4. you control the inside by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    you control the outside.

  5. Access? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How do they even have access to Facebook? Don't they use HTTP proxies? Almost feels like entrapment.

    1. Re:Access? by LostMyBeaver · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same thing. I see this as a massive misappropriation of tax payers' funds. I don't know what the accountants would say on the issue, but I'd imagine that isolation has a higher cost to the tax payer than general population since the convict needs everything brought to them in special quarters built to what I can only assume is a higher standard.

      A simple firewall with some sort of websense technology should be more than satisfactory to limit the use of these networks by the inmates. I'm sure it's an issue of "If you build a bigger mouse trap, I'll build a bigger mouse", but there is definitely a finite number of social networking sites out there and I'm pretty sure that there's a room full of near-slaves working in a sweatshop somewhere in the East which are constantly updating those web sense filters.

      Here's an even better idea, why not actually track HTTP POST requests to unknown sites as well. This way, when the inmate clicks a button to post something and the websense filter doesn't know how to handle that request, an administrator somewhere on duty will immediately see their screen and then click whether it should be allowed or not. This will allow the inmates to apply to online universities to assist in their rehab while mindless blocking known "Red Zones" like Facebook. I can't imagine that we'd need more than one person on duty for an entire prison corporation during one shift per day.

      If the inmate can't post data, push a popup to the user saying "You're attempting to post information to an unknown or unapproved site." followed by "Please wait for approval by an administrator" or "The administrator is not on duty today. Please try your request another day".

      This type of a system IS NOT hard to implement. It would be MUCH less expensive than keeping inmates in solitary as well.

      I'm pretty sure the biggest problem with American prisons has to be that they are penal facilities instead of rehabilitation facilities. I'm pretty convinced there are such things as people so broken they can't be fixed, but I'm also pretty sure that goal of a prison shouldn't be to punish someone for 25 to life but instead should be to actually fix the problems. The people who seem the most hellbent on hate and punishment of these people often seem a lot scarier than the criminals themselves.

      I always sympathize with victims of heinous crimes, but we the people become victims of those who choose to force us to pay for the punishments. When you get someone truly nasty and broken, I don't see we have a choice but to jail them for life. I'd prefer to see them locked in proper facilities to deal with their illnesses instead of exposing criminals of a less extent to them. I don't have an overwhelming need to pamper people who did crimes during their correctional stints. I do however HATE the idea of hardening everyone who enters the system so that some kid who got busted smoking a joint ends up in and out of prison for the next 50 years. If for no other reason than that I don't want to make even more damn hardened criminals, we need to make it possible for prisoners to be online, learn trades, self-discipline, responsibility, etc... but make no mistake, they showed enough poor judgement to end up there, they don't need access to entertainment websites. It should be a tool, not a toy for them.

    2. Re:Access? by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 1

      I'd ask the other round, why do they not have access to Facebook?

      Is there any reason besides assholery to not let them use social media? Is the goal of the US prison system to guarantee that inmates become 100% sociopaths with no friends or acquaintances except for criminals?

    3. Re:Access? by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      I was thinking the same thing. I see this as a massive misappropriation of tax payers' funds. I don't know what the accountants would say on the issue, but I'd imagine that isolation has a higher cost to the tax payer than general population since the convict needs everything brought to them in special quarters built to what I can only assume is a higher standard. A simple firewall with some sort of websense technology should be more than satisfactory to limit the use of these networks by the inmates. I'm sure it's an issue of "If you build a bigger mouse trap, I'll build a bigger mouse", but there is definitely a finite number of social networking sites out there and I'm pretty sure that there's a room full of near-slaves working in a sweatshop somewhere in the East which are constantly updating those web sense filters. Here's an even better idea, why not actually track HTTP POST requests to unknown sites as well. This way, when the inmate clicks a button to post something and the websense filter doesn't know how to handle that request, an administrator somewhere on duty will immediately see their screen and then click whether it should be allowed or not. This will allow the inmates to apply to online universities to assist in their rehab while mindless blocking known "Red Zones" like Facebook. I can't imagine that we'd need more than one person on duty for an entire prison corporation during one shift per day ....

      That would be really good but you know, they ain't connecting via wifi so all that might as well be noise. In the article they say about signal blocking the area but the FCC comes down hard on it so they're trying to figure something out. Apparently a couple other states have a solution and they are looking to get on that but yeah, they still won't be connecting via wifi.

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  6. Why is this a big deal? by ZorinLynx · · Score: 2

    How is communicating on Facebook different than making phone calls or sending letters to the outside world?

    1. Re:Why is this a big deal? by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "How is communicating on Facebook different than making phone calls or sending letters to the outside world?"

      Ads for prison clothing.

    2. Re:Why is this a big deal? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      How is communicating on Facebook different than making phone calls or sending letters to the outside world?

      Those are also restricted for many prisoners.

    3. Re:Why is this a big deal? by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

      There's no revenue stream for the prison from Facebook posts, and apparently they also haven't figured out a great way to monitor the posts.

    4. Re:Why is this a big deal? by Nukenbar · · Score: 1

      They are monitored.

  7. How by irrational_design · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How in the world are they posting to facebook? Are they using smuggled in devices, or are they using devices provided by the prison system? If the later, why don't they just block access to facebook at a level where the inmates can't override it?

    1. Re:How by irrational_design · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nevermind. Who would have thought the article would actually have useful information? "Some inmates ask their families to access their online accounts for them, while many access the Internet themselves through a contraband cell phone (possession of which is yet another Level 1 offense)." Having the inmates be punished for something someone does on the outside seems ridiculous. Though, the prison authorities probably don't know whether it was done by someone on the outside or by a contraband device, so they appear to be assuming that it must be happening via a contraband device.

    2. Re:How by medv4380 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So if I create a fake facebook page for each of their inmates and have each of them auto update the status once a day then they'll never get out of jail?

    3. Re:How by westlake · · Score: 1

      Having the inmates be punished for something someone does on the outside seems ridiculous.

      It's not ridiculous at all.

      The family member is being used as a courier.

    4. Re:How by Etherwalk · · Score: 2

      Having the inmates be punished for something someone does on the outside seems ridiculous.

      It's not ridiculous at all.

      The family member is being used as a courier.

      The family member can be used as a courier.

      It is ridiculous in some situations and not others.

    5. Re:How by irrational_design · · Score: 2

      That's true. But, the family member/friend might know the inmates password (or might share an account with them) and be posting without their knowledge. I have teenage daughters, and despite my frequent warnings, they share their passwords with their friends, and vice versa. So the inmate would be punished for something they have no control over.

    6. Re:How by irrational_design · · Score: 1

      Or, what if their account is hacked (who knew 123456 is a poor password !?) by a rival/enemy/etc. who then precedes to post to their account, knowing that it will result in punishment for them.

    7. Re:How by Megol · · Score: 1

      So you compare posting to facebook with murder?!? There's something seriously wrong with you...

    8. Re:How by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But they're a courier for something perfectly legal. If they had passed the same message via another method there would be no crime, so the message itself clearly isn't contraband.

    9. Re:How by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Well if I have an unmonitored communications channel (https://facebook.com, for example) to the outside, it makes it so much easier to organise.

    10. Re:How by tommeke100 · · Score: 1

      Poor Michael Jackson :(

  8. And if an inmate read slashdot instead? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    I expect that would lead to a slightly reduced sentence for time served...

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    1. Re:And if an inmate read slashdot instead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I expect that would lead to a slightly reduced sentence for time served...

      Especially if they're using Beta.

    2. Re:And if an inmate read slashdot instead? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      That could even allow you to get your case redone due to a violation of the 8th.

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    3. Re:And if an inmate read slashdot instead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If they were using Beta willingly before they got busted, they'd have had evidence to back up an insanity plea.

    4. Re:And if an inmate read slashdot instead? by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      Does that count when you are doing it to yourself? I don't think the jailers would dare try to subject the inmates to slashdot.

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    5. Re:And if an inmate read slashdot instead? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Should I detect some irony in your presence then?

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  9. Unsupervised Communication by bondsbw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Usage of social media is equivalent to unsupervised communication with people outside the prison walls. To my knowledge this has always been a big deal and whatever technology is used shouldn't make much of a difference in punishment. Even seemingly innocent communications can be forms of steganography.

    Also, I'm pretty sure inmates who commit murder will be charged with murder.

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  10. It's what you do with it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What the sensational article deliberately ignores is what these prisoners were doing ... running gangs on smuggled phones.

    1. Re:It's what you do with it by tchdab1 · · Score: 1

      Don't running gangs and smuggling phones have their own penalties? Does it matter (illegal activity) if it's done via FB, or via carrier pigeon, or via verbal whispering? It's the illegal activity that should be being prosecuted, not the online access. And doing it online just provides a neat "paper" trail - ask your friends in Utah for a dump of every I/O from your devices.

    2. Re:It's what you do with it by dywolf · · Score: 2

      Ah but you forget. The current jurisprudence is to throw everything at them and see what sticks....and if it just so happens to be everything and they get a 10000 year sentence as a result.... oh well.

      'Murica.
      Land of the Free.

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  11. Fluf story by Dorianny · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The offense is unauthorized communications. Facebook posts are convenient proof of that offense. Someone with access to a telecommunications device could be ordering gangland hits just as easily as liking someone on Facebook.

    1. Re:Fluf story by dywolf · · Score: 1

      That is true, however there is an unequal application problem as presented as well.
      Such as the "1 offense every 5 days" being punished more than 100 offenses in a single day,
      along with the long standing controversy over excessive solitary confinement.

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  12. Superfluous, disproportionate punishment by kheldan · · Score: 2

    Three things:
    1. This really is a punishment grossly disproportionate with the magnitude of the rule broken.
    2. If they don't want them using Facebook, then why isn't it blocked on all computers that inmates have access to?
    3. Using Facebook is punishment enough in and of itself, why add insult to injury over it?

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    1. Re:Superfluous, disproportionate punishment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      1) I agree.
      2) It's more likely they're accessing it from contraband cell phones. But, as the article states, they're also being punished for instances of family members on the outside updating their Facebook accounts, since they can't tell if it's the prisoners themselves doing it or not.
      3) I agree. Plus, if you can manage a criminal empire remotely via Facebook status updates, that's a pretty cool trick.

    2. Re:Superfluous, disproportionate punishment by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      1. Unless the facebook updates are code for "Please murder the prison officer who took away my cellphone"

  13. There's no money for the prison vendors. by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

    There's no money for the prison vendors when an inmate uses Facebook. Those calls aren't cheap, and neither are letters. Count on these folks being able to use social media when there's an app to give the state and some contractor a cut of a fee for each post collected from the family of the incarcerated.

  14. 37 Years??? by Random+Nobody · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I assume they mean solitary when they say isolation. I don't care what "crime" these cons did on the inside, unless you're talking about Magneto and his plastic cell no one should be in solitary for 37 years.

    Long term use of the SHU seems to be used as punishment, or more appropriately a form of torture. I can barely imagine the psychological and physical damage of being in the SHU for that long. We may as well be blasting loud music 24/7 and practice forced feedings while we're at it.

    If you're so worried about communicating outside the prison and apparently unable to control smartphones from getting inside then maybe you should start looking at Faraday cages or jamming signals. I'm sure the FCC would give an exception given enough proof that these communications were actually resulting in gang activity.

    1. Re:37 Years??? by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      no one should be in solitary for 37 years.

      Everyone knows that solitary confinement is the quickest way out of prison. There are many documentary movies from Hollywood that prove it: Count of Monte Cristo, Shawshank Redemption, Felon, Escape Plan, Law Abiding Citizen,.... and those are just the ones I've seen recently.

  15. I was going to post this to FB but thought better. by linear+a · · Score: 1

    Fortunately, the screws know what slashdot is like and it doesn't count as "social media". More like asocial media.

  16. Collaboration by Livius · · Score: 1

    The question remains, how were the prison workers who allowed this in the first place punished?

  17. Big Business by ArchieBunker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I used to think that inmates talking about prison being a business was bullshit. Then I see how many prisons are privately run and how deals are made to keep that at a certain capacity. Then think of all the support companies that sell items to prisons (clothing, food, equipment, employees, etc etc). Then you look at the incarceration rate of the USA compared to other countries and it all becomes clear.

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    1. Re:Big Business by james_gnz · · Score: 1

      Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard

      That's not true. Wilson Parking also does this. (I expect there are others too.)

  18. Misleading information... by itwasgreektome · · Score: 2

    All the Level 1 offenses in the world can't make their prison stay LONGER than what they were originally sentenced for. It just makes their time in prison more boring- it's punishment because they shouldn't have access to phones in the first place, because inmates run their gangs and can make hits on officers and civilians from behind prison walls using the internet. So the comparison between an Inmate accessing facebook for 2 weeks getting more severe punishment than an inmate who murders people is ludicrous- because the person who murders people and then runs away will be charged with several different counts and will get MORE prison time, whereas the dude who accessed Facebook will keep his original sentence.

  19. They have it backwards by maharvey · · Score: 1

    It seems to me that using Facebook is its own punishment. They should reduce their sentences for voluntary self-torture, not lengthen them.

  20. Sounds about right. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    In other words, if a South Carolina inmate caused a riot, took three hostages, murdered them, stole their clothes, and then escaped, he could still wind up with fewer Level 1 offenses than an inmate who updated Facebook every day for two weeks.

    Okay. How do we get that punishment implemented out in the world?

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  21. Jam Cell Signals in Prisons by breaddoughrising · · Score: 2

    I never understood why prisons are mandated to install cell jammers around the entire prison. This simple solution would a) prevent violent and dangerous criminals from being able to communicate with cohorts outside of prison, and b) prevent corrupt guards from profiting through providing criminals with cellular contraband.

    1. Re:Jam Cell Signals in Prisons by breaddoughrising · · Score: 1

      Err, I never understood why prisons are NOT mandated to install....

    2. Re:Jam Cell Signals in Prisons by crow · · Score: 1

      I just heard a story the other day about prisons installing cell towers that only work with a small list of specific devices (owned by staff). It's a lot like using a Stingray, only being for blocking access instead of monitoring it.

      Apparently keeping out unauthorized cell phones is simply too difficult.

    3. Re:Jam Cell Signals in Prisons by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Apparently keeping out unauthorized cell phones is simply too difficult.

      Are you volunteering to check the anus of everyone going in and out of prison?

    4. Re:Jam Cell Signals in Prisons by Firethorn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Probably not. It seems that he was talking in generals, not going for a sarcastic implication that the guards are incompetent.

      Besides corrupt and incompetent guards you also have inmates and outside conspirators who get incredibly creative in their efforts to smuggle stuff into prisons.

      Prisoner anuses is only one of many vectors. In one case they had a cat trained to travel between the outside and inside with the contraband tied to her collar. She got food on both ends. A CAT!!! They trained a bloody CAT to run stuff!

      They've also found devices being floated by balloon, launched by catapult and pneumatic launchers, trawled up backwards through the sewer system, etc...

      Imagine that you're trying to keep several hundred bored engineering college students from doing something. How well is that going to work? The average inmate intelligence might be less, but you do have quite a few intelligent ones in there, and really, what else are they going to do?

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  22. Can't prisoners mail out letters? by Dr.+Spork · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I know this sounds terribly traditional, but what could be wrong with sending a friend a letter in which you give instructions to post an update to social media on your behalf? I'm sure that all letters from prison would be read to make sure they're not carrying out something illegal, but it's not illegal for the friend to post an online update, right?

    Or how about this: The friend starts a blog called "Letters From Sam in Jail" and just posts a scan of each letter received. That's a clear case where the prisoner is (indirectly) blogging, but nobody is doing something wrong. Right?

  23. Pelican Bay status updates by Tailhook · · Score: 4, Funny

    4:30PM: wrapping shank handle
    6:00PM: meat balls cold noodles
    1:00AM: hooked sum smokes from the line
    1:01AM: i hate menthol
    2:24PM: finished shank! check teh pic itz bad ass
    4:01PM: lawyer sez my appeal isup next week. coolz
    7:10PM: sharpen shank. it was sharp but lolz
    9:00AM: powdered eggs again
    1:15PM: emilio took the shank :( :( :( :( fucking hate that puta
    6:05PM: meat balls rice

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  24. Wait, wait, wait by nowsharing · · Score: 1

    How could you escape with all of those clothes?

  25. Good. by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    Prison is a punishment.
    It is supposed to take that person out of society because society doesn't want them. Letting them back in through social media defeats the purpose.

    1. Re:Good. by Firethorn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is supposed to take that person out of society because society doesn't want them. Letting them back in through social media defeats the purpose.

      The issue is quite a bit more complex than that. For example, there are THREE primary goals/duties for prisons:
      1. Punish, as you said.
      2. Warehouse - prevent more crime by isolating the individual from the rest of us
      3. Reform - because they most likely get out sometime, we need to fix whatever causes them to be criminal in the first place, if possible.

      You have to balance the three duties, and I'd argue that the US system needs to add a hefty dose of #3, and social media, communication can help *a lot* with this. The vast majority of prisoners are NOT drug kingpins who will order hits from prison if they're allowed to communicate with the outside.

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    2. Re:Good. by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      Yep, I live in a country where the primary goal of the prison system is rehabilitation - you can get out in 10 years for murder.
      But the EFF kicking up a tizz, trying to convince people that inmates have a right to Facebook is the wrong way to go about fixing the system.

    3. Re:Good. by moeinvt · · Score: 1

      If the inmates aren't allowed to use facebook or other social networking websites, why the hell isn't the prison just blocking them? Schools, businesses and public libraries seem capable of denying access to certain URLs, why not the prisons?
      Putting someone in front of a computer with internet access and then punishing them for using certain websites borders on entrapment.

    4. Re:Good. by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      They probably do block them.

      The inmates use smuggled in cellphones.

  26. Excellent pilot program by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Time to roll this out to the general population. We should start with the worst offenders, the ringleaders. Zuckerberg should get death.

  27. Re:Not all level 1's equal? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    They'd also get charged with kidnapping, murder, assault and escaping prison. Multiple life sentences there probably.

    They could actually get a shorter sentence though - possibility of death penalty in South Carolina.

  28. Re:prison is as prison does by istartedi · · Score: 1

    Isn't the point of prison to separate criminals from the general population?

    This; but with some very important caveats. First, the separation must be as humane as practical. Why? Well there's the obvious "don't be a sicko and mistreat anybody, even a prisoner because it's immoral" argument. There's also the "hey, they might be innocent" argument. Everybody, even the most hardened "tough on crime" person should understand this. Every single one of us is potentially a victim of mistaken imprisonment. What, not me? Yes. You. If you disagree, please refer back to the definition of "mistaken imprisonment". Thus, we all have a personal stake in safe, humane treatment of prisoners.

    Second, we should carry out this humane separation only when necessary, and in a way that isn't too costly.

    The policy as described in the article summary seems neither humane, nor necessary. In the long run it will be costly too. Extended solitary can lead to severe mental conditions. Severe mental conditions are costly to society, either because of new crimes when released, or the need to turn the prisoner over to an expensive psychiatric facility for the rest of their lives.

    If they're concerned about people running gangs from prison, they could monitor their networks. Collect all the information and trade it with your friends... then collect their friends and put them in the same cell. Of course there'd be less of this if we weren't waging a war on drugs; but that's a separate rant.

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  29. Re:If you can't do the time by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you can hide your crime, you won't do the time.

    Illegal is defined by what you can get caught for.

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  30. Re:prison is as prison does by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    And what again was the Senate building for?

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  31. We control the horizontal by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    We control the vertical

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  32. Clarification please... by codeButcher · · Score: 1

    more than 400 hundred disciplinary cases for "social networking"

    So, that means more than 40 000 cases, for us non-USAsians? That's just insane.

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  33. Re:First we need to outlaw South Carolina. by EmagGeek · · Score: 2

    South Carolina attempted to oblige once. Why didn't y'all just let them?