Research Suggests That Saunas Help You Live Longer

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Research Suggests That Saunas Help You Live Longer

Posted by samzenpus on Sunday March 1, 2015 @04:25AM from the sweat-it-out dept.

jones_supa writes A study of Finnish men suggests that frequent sauna baths may help you live longer. Previous research has suggested that saunas might improve blood vessel function and exercise capacity, or even lower blood pressure in patients with hypertension. The new study links long, hot sauna baths with more benefits, including fewer deaths from heart attacks, strokes, various heart-related conditions and other causes. The study tracked 2315 Finnish men for nearly 20 years on average. Most participants used saunas at least once weekly. Those who used them four to seven times weekly received the greatest benefits. The study published in JAMA Internal Medicine wraps up by saying that further studies are warranted to establish the potential mechanism that links sauna bathing and the aforementioned cardiovascular benefits.

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Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 04:34 · Score: 5, Insightful

I bet if I had the time to visit the fucking spa 7 days a week I'd live a heck of a lot longer too.
1. Re:Easy life by Jawnn · 2015-03-01 04:46 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  Yes, studies show that the amount of time added to one's lifespan by exercising, is spent... exercising.
2. Re:Easy life by __aaltlg1547 · 2015-03-01 04:57 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  Not a problem if you enjoy exercising. Or saunas.
3. Re:Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 05:00 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  And when you are not exercising, you sleep better, you look better, you feel better, you are happier, and sometimes you experience high utility from your more powerful body.
  But if you don't like exercising none of this matters. Those benefits will not be enough to motivate you to hit the gym. But that's ok. There is no law that says you must seek these benefits. Anyone who would impose these values on you is not worth your time.
4. Re:Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 05:17 · Score: 0
  
  So long as you dont clog the emergency room bay doors with your fat ass...
5. Re:Easy life by rycamor · 2015-03-01 05:17 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  Not at all the case, actually. I did the math on this once, based on the most conservative estimate of years added to live for moderate-to-intense exercise.
  For one thing, it turns out that the best exercise is of fairly short duration. You can get all the strength training you need in 1 or 2 hours a week. Add another hour a week for some moderate aerobics and, make a few other "life hacks" such as a stand-up desk, and you have every likelihood of adding at least 5 years to your life. And we're not talking about those painful last 5 years where you can't do anything, but 5 years of vitality to your productive mid-life. And a good deal more mobility and independence during your last 10 years.
  And let's just say you exercised at 3 hrs/week for 50 years, starting at age 30. By the time you are 80, you have burned up a grand total of 1 year exercising. Those other 4 years are gravy.
  How about that? the 80/20 principle at work.
6. Re:Easy life by arth1 · 2015-03-01 05:24 · Score: 1
  
  Because there are no one with sports injuries at the ERs...
7. Re:Easy life by itzly · 2015-03-01 05:27 · Score: 1
  
  Doesn't mean you can't enjoy the sport.
8. Re:Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 05:34 · Score: 0
  
  Finns have saunas everywhere so it's easy to go daily, if you like. About one sauna per two people - slightly more, actually. Even small apartments often have saunas and obviously plenty of work places.
9. Re:Easy life by pepty · 2015-03-01 06:02 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  And we're not talking about those painful last 5 years where you can't do anything, but 5 years of vitality to your productive mid-life.
  Cite? I'm genuinely curious. The trick is finding research that is based on intervention, not just observation. For example: studies of runners. People who are still running at age 55+ have been intensively selected by their joints over the years, many people will have experienced knee/hip/ankle/back problems well before that age and quit. How do you establish the control group: people who could keep running but choose not to? Otherwise you are conflating the benefits of not being at risk for arthritis, tendinosis, vertabrae/disk issuses, torn meniscus, etc. with the benefits of exercise.
10. Re:Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 06:09 · Score: 0
  
  Doesn't mean I can't enjoy my lunch.
11. Re:Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 06:13 · Score: 0
  
  If you exercise playing tennis and enjoy tennis then there seems no loss overall. Likewise if you spend 30 minutes a day reading a novel or listening to music and can do this whilst pounding on a treadmill. Or if you walk to work 30 minutes a day, or cycle.
12. Re:Easy life by Elad+Alon · 2015-03-01 06:27 · Score: 1
  
  To be fair, that's 1 year not counting sleeping, eating or brushing your teeth.
  
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13. Re: Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 06:37 · Score: 0
  
  I live in Finland and I have a sauna at my home. It is quite common in new buildings in here.
  But the study could also be about sick people avoiding hot sauna. So not sure if it is good for you.
14. Re:Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 07:02 · Score: 0
  
  Yes, studies show that the amount of time added to one's lifespan by exercising, is spent... exercising.
  Your sentence is grammatically incorrect with the comma there. It should say:
  
  Yes, studies show that the amount of time added to one's lifespan by exercising is spent...exercising.
15. Re:Easy life by rycamor · 2015-03-01 07:08 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  There have been many, many studies on this matter over the past couple decades. A couple of my favorite meta-aggregators of these studies are Rogue Health and Fitness and Mark's Dailly Apple (yeah, he's a paleo advocate, but he's also a former top competitive runner, Ironman winner, and currently a sculpted buff dude in his 60s -- and his wife only a few years younger looks like a fitness model). Even more interesting, look into guys like Art Devany. He and his wife are in their mid-70s, yet fitter than most people in their 40s.
  Basically, the health promises of the 70s-80s were found to be false along several axes. The most notorious being recommendations for the low-fat, high-carb diet, but also the whole jogging/aerobics craze that started in the late 70s has been found to be empirically a failure. This is what led to the renewed interest in weight-lifting and other strength training. Long-duration, plodding exercise really isn't ideal to longevity. Running 10 miles a day used to be thought the peak of fitness, but really it results in muscle atrophy, heart strain, joint problems, etc...
  And the problem with focusing on athletes is generally that they overdo it. Athletes are people singularly focused on *winning* not on health and longevity. Athletes will gladly trade a decade of life for a short-term competitive edge. This is what Mark Sisson (Mark's Daily Apple above) found. His competitive running had him constantly sick and/or injured. He scaled his workout way back, stopped the long-distance running, and focused more on short-duration high-intensity exercise to stimulate the hormesis/recovery cycle, and specifically worked on gaining muscle mass.
  There is sort of a golden mean to exercise, recovery, muscle mass, strength, etc... And generally it looks about like the "fitness model" ideal for women and the wrestler physique for men. Muscular but not freakish. Slim but not skinny, low body fat, but not veins showing everywhere... you get the idea.
  Side note: I was flying back from SCALE 13x last week, and ended up sitting next to a cardiologist who has been doing research in these areas. His synopsis: we should all be lifting weights, and lifting *heavy*.
16. Re: Easy life by rycamor · 2015-03-01 07:12 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  Explain Jim fix?
  Easily. Not all exercise is created equal. The jogging craze of the 70s/80s should be dumped into history's dustbin along with the low-fat diet. Also, too much exercise is almost as bad as too little. See my other responses in this thread for more.
17. Re:Easy life by rycamor · 2015-03-01 07:14 · Score: 2
  
  BTW back on topic, my point about hormesis/recovery also applies to saunas. Extreme heat puts a certain amount of stress on the body--especially the skin, which if done on moderation produces recovery benefits.
18. Re:Easy life by pepty · 2015-03-01 07:25 · Score: 1
  
  Completely missed the point of my post:
  
  How do you establish the control group: people who could keep running but choose not to? Otherwise you are conflating the benefits of not being at risk for arthritis, tendinosis, vertabrae/disk issuses, torn meniscus, etc. with the benefits of exercise.
  It's just as true for weight training.
  Plus: anecdotes?
  Really?
19. Re:Easy life by pepty · 2015-03-01 07:33 · Score: 1
  
  Article is firewalled and the abstract doesn't speculate on mechanism, but discussion centers on the higher heart rate. So it might well be related to the benefits seen from exercise.
20. Re: Easy life by shitzu · 2015-03-01 07:35 · Score: 1
  
  In Finland, everybody has a sauna at home. You don't go to a spa for that. I live next door, in Estonia, and i also have a sauna at home.
21. Re: Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 07:38 · Score: 0
  
  every cardiologist ive spoken with says the exact opposite, small weights, lots of reps, bump up the weight when its easy.
22. Re: Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 07:40 · Score: 0
  
  oh shut the fuck up, christ sakes. get a life.
23. Re:Easy life by rycamor · 2015-03-01 08:00 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  Yes really. Anecdotal evidence is still evidence. Consult a dictionary. You asked for citations, which I did not have at hand, but directed you to a couple sites that have lots of them. Knock yourself out.
  There is no such thing as conclusive proof in any of these areas. I tend to prefer empiricism and general pattern-recognition to theory-directed research because in the area of health it is so fraught with false positives, statistical failures, presuppositions and downright fraud due to industry influence. But if you browse through PubMed or PLOS for research in these areas, you will be hard-pressed to find negative implications for weightlifting or strength training. Positive implications abound.
24. Re: Easy life by Immerman · 2015-03-01 08:02 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  Easy. The standard deviation is substantially larger than the effect being measured. Doesn't mean the effect isn't real, or even that it can't be measured fairly accurately. Just that it will be completely lost in the noise of anecdotal evidence without a proper statistical analysis.
  
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25. Re: Easy life by rycamor · 2015-03-01 08:08 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Yeah, and my experience is that a) most doctors are physically lazy and have abominable fitness, and b) they are stuck on years or even decades-outdated studies of fitness and diet. And, c) they tend to favor medical and pharmaceutical intervention rather than lifestyle changes. This is a natural outcome of how their money is made and their social position in Western society. Which is why I don't have *blanket* trust in their fitness recommendations as a majority. This particular cardiologist was doing his own original research, which is why he came to these conclusions.
  I come from a family of doctors and medical people, BTW. I have no axe to grind. I just try to observe as clearly as possible.
26. Re:Easy life by rycamor · 2015-03-01 08:34 · Score: 1
  
  And how does this have any bearing? I was responding to a claim that any lifespan gained would be spent in exercising. Which isn't the case unless you are way overdoing it.
27. Re:Easy life by greg1104 · 2015-03-01 09:23 · Score: 1
  
  You'd have to browse Pubmed with blinders on to miss all the studies of how weight training leads to injuries. Just picking one author who writes about them, here's 1 2 3 4 studies on it. I only do body weight exercises now, and I count myself lucky that I only have one mild uncorrectable shoulder injury from my lifting days.
28. Re: Easy life by jblues · 2015-03-01 09:28 · Score: 1
  
  Jogging can help to build strong bones, as it is a weight bearing exercise, strengthen muscles (not just leg muscles, but core muscles too), improve cardiovascular fitness, burn plenty of kilojoules help maintain a healthy weight. Between jogging and nothing, for most people it will be beneficial. Its free, easy to schedule in and can be done almost anywhere. Add in some push-ups, pull ups and sit-ups and other body weight exercises for more free goodness. Also, I believe there's nothing too wrong with a low fat, high protein/carb diet as long as the protein and carb macro-nutrients are high quality (whole grains, unprocessed meats). This is also true for fats. The human body is very adaptable, but good with the unprocessed kinds prepared by nature and not Mr Corporation. I do agree: In the 70 and 80s is was thought that saturated fats caused problems like high cholesterol, with advice to stay away from things like eggs, beef, coconut oil. This now seems to be incorrect with new research the biggest problems come from processed hydrogenated oils like canola (these are found in almost all pre-prepared food from the supermarket, hence the importance of buying simple unprocessed ingredients and making things yourself. . In a modestly equipped, but modern kitchen its possible to within minutes produce palatable food that can be eaten on the run during a busy schedule).
  
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29. Re: Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 09:41 · Score: 0
  
  Well not everybody, and some appartment buildings only have a shared sauna for everyone, but most buildings have a sauna and probably 99,99% of people have access to sauna one way or another.
30. Re:Easy life by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · 2015-03-01 09:51 · Score: 1
  
  So long as you dont clog the emergency room bay doors with your fat ass...
  It's known the more a doctor performs a procedure, the better the outcome.
  So when yourr slender ass pulls into the hospital at 70 with a heart attack, you're welcome.
  I think this study should look into whether the saunas are melting fat out of the extremeties' vessels, especially capiillaries. Maybe helps keep vessels clear, lets heart work less hard.
  
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31. Re: Easy life by Rei · 2015-03-01 10:00 · Score: 1
  
  And how do we know that the real benefit doesn't come from hitting yourself with birch branches?
  
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32. Re:Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 10:02 · Score: 0
  
  Yes, studies show that the amount of time added to one's lifespan by exercising, is spent... exercising.
  Yes, studies show that you don't age while you exercise.
  FTFY
33. Re: Easy life by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · 2015-03-01 10:05 · Score: 2
  
  Your comment should be: Oh, shut the fuck up, for Christ's sake. Get a life!
  
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34. Re: Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 10:05 · Score: 0
  
  In Finland, everybody has a sauna at home. You don't go to a spa for that. I live next door, in Estonia, and i also have a sauna at home.
  Well, that's not complete truth.
  Most small houses, condos etc. sure have saunas, have almost always here had saunas. And also what you say holds well with newer apartments in block of flats ( 25 years old) very well.
  But you need to remember that we still have plenty of older buildings which situation varies greatly. We do have lot of saunas sure, but not everyone is lucky enough yet to have sauna of his own unless happens to live a flat roughly quarter a century old or newer.
  I live in much older flat, it was built 1934 and this building did not have any saunas at that time. Then it was common to visit public saunas built somewhere nearby block building that usually some family or association had business. In 1958 when this building was first time renovated sauna was built, and that was just a single sauna at top of the building (nice views up there over the city btw). During seventies and later then to end of nineties that was most common arrangement. You had one sauna in flat and you could if you wish to apply for a weekly sauna turn (saunavuoro).
  Anywhere beginning of eighties saunas built in apartments started getting more common and it took 20 years to before it was a standard feature. Now it's been 25 years it's been regarded a standard to have it in new flat. Before that it was not, nor can you always get to build one (if you want to get it done afterwards), it depends. If the building has been renovated, there is capacity electricity, you can get moisture isolation, humidity ventilation arranged so well that you get the permission to build it.
  I do live in that older building, even though I have nice and quite roomy (~100m2) 4th floor apartment, it's not possible to build sauna in this case. I would have built it when I moved in, but it's not allowed. Thus I have my weekly sauna reservation and unless I'm traveling I will surely use it. Our sauna is well kept, nice view etc. but no it's not mine and nor just for me. About dozen families still use it weekly.
  I do also frequently (3 times a week) visit nearby swimming pool and and get to sauna there before and after my exercise. I counted that I spend about 100-120 minutes a week in sauna about 40 weeks a year, rest is vacation, traveling, etc. and it's more sporadic, but if there is a decent sauna in hotel surely I take advantage of it.
35. Re:Easy life by pepty · 2015-03-01 10:06 · Score: 1
  
  Yes really. Anecdotal evidence is still evidence.
  
  tend to prefer empiricism and general pattern-recognition to theory-directed research because in the area of health it is so fraught with false positives, statistical failures, presuppositions and downright fraud due to industry influence.
  
  So your answer to the problems of false positives and statistical failures are studies where n = 1.
  Ok.
36. Re:Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 10:10 · Score: 0
  
  From your own link, the abstract states(emphasis mine):
  "The use of weights is an increasingly popular conditioning technique, competitive sport and recreational activity among children, adolescents and young adults. Weight-training can cause significant musculoskeletal injuries such as fractures, dislocations, spondylolysis, spondylolisthesis, intervertebral disk herniation, and meniscal injuries of the knee. Although injuries can occur during the use of weight machines, most apparently happen during the aggressive use of free weights. Prepubescent and older athletes who are well trained and supervised appear to have low injury rates in strength training programmes. Good coaching and proper weightlifting techniques and other injury prevention methods are likely to minimise the number of musculoskeletal problems caused by weight-training."
  Most physical activities carry some sort of risk. This risk is multiplied by a lack of care, supervision, or instruction. You have an uncorrectable injury. After 12 years of lifting, I have none. Good form and technique help, as does ego checking (don't load 4 plates to impress strangers who don't really give a shit). Body weight exercises will hurt you just as badly if you are careless or aggressive with training.
37. Re: Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 10:16 · Score: 0
  
  Going outside and doing light to moderate physical labor is a good way of increasing level of health and longevity. Problem is that many of us can't afford the time to do this due to our work commitments. Instead, I'll go with light exercise as many times of the day as feasible and make it become part of my daily routine. So low impact exercise (not necessarily aerobics) is the way to go.
38. Re:Easy life by rycamor · 2015-03-01 10:49 · Score: 2
  
  Exactly what anonymous said. Anything can be overdone, and this tends to happen when people go on crazes. The jogging craze was last generation's example. Jogging can be an excellent part of an exercise regimen, but when you do it to the exclusion of all else, for 2 hours a day... you're courting disaster. Ditto for the current "crossfit" craze, where people with zero experience are jumping around in the gym, lifting (or even throwing!) heavy weights with zero ramp-up and zero instruction on good form, and once again you're courting disaster
39. Re:Easy life by rycamor · 2015-03-01 10:50 · Score: 1
  
  No. Hell no. You don't understand empiricism at all.
40. Re: Easy life by rycamor · 2015-03-01 10:58 · Score: 1
  
  My overall takeaway from years of reading on the topic is that variety is key. Note that the cardiologist wasn't saying "only lift heavy", but just saying that it's a "should" (I.E. make it part of your routine). If you never lift heavy--as in pushing your body up to and past plateaus--your body never experiences certain types of hormesis. And heavy is relative. I wouldn't recommend some 70-year-old woman be deadlifting 300lbs, but there should be a certain amount of strength exercise that actually...exercises the muscle instead of just fatiguing it.
  My routine is a combo of calisthenics, weights, general outdoor work (living on 2 acres), running on occasion, and sprinting on occasion. Let's just say my health and mental attitude have seen an absolute turnaround from the age of 45-49 as I implemented all this. Currently deadlifting up to 345lb and I can tell I'm nowhere near my limit yet.
41. Re:Easy life by pepty · 2015-03-01 11:19 · Score: 1
  
  Pick your definition for empiricism. In modern science (my experience is protein structure prediction) it involves calculating average parameters from large datasets (empirical: CHARMM, AMBER) as opposed to generating them ab initio (theoretical: Hartree-Fock). It certainly doesn't involve cherry picking anecdotes from websites that hawk anti-aging supplements.
42. Re:Easy life by Darinbob · 2015-03-01 11:33 · Score: 2
  
  These aren't spas. In Finland, people have them in their homes, sometimes at work, I even had one in a hotel room. Even for a commercial sauna the cost is very low.
43. Re:Easy life by rycamor · 2015-03-01 11:34 · Score: 1
  
  Really, I have to remind myself often that most people (even slashdot nerds) are simplistic binary thinkers. They latch onto a certain way of looking at something (ooh, I'm all sciency!) and try to hit everything with the same hammer.
  What we are having here is not a scientific study. Nor is it a debate. What we are having here is a discussion. This being a discussion forum. When I bring up something anecdotal, it doesn't mean I am basing a decision or opinion purely on that anecdote. It just means I find it interesting and possibly indicative of a truth. I look at all sorts of anecdotes around me, I look at scientific studies, I look at statistical reports (statistics alone are not science), and I also like to use logical inference when I examine ideas (again, this is not science). When a broad preponderance of different types of evidence points me in a certain direction, I tend to give it credence. It's not an absolute, any more than science itself is a set of absolutes.
  Here's an example of empiricism: every damn person on the planet knows that if you want to strengthen a muscle, you have to exercise it, and in general the more intense the exercise, the greater the gains. Of course there are limits after which too much exercise will be counterproductive, blah blah blah, but the core truth is there. Don't need a scientific study to prove that. It is part and parcel of everyone's experience, just like everyone knows you have to breathe in order to stay alive. When the variables get more complex of course it's not always so clear, but one has to be a particularly obtuse person not to agree that in general exercise leads to better health. By logical inference, better health would obviously lead to the likelihood of living longer. Where scientific studies help is in identifying just what the upper and lower bounds are to these benefits. But I'm not here to do your work for you. I'm just shooting the breeze on a Sunday afternoon. If you want that sort of information, complete with box plots, scatter charts, and explanations about sample size and selection bias, well you have access to the same information I do. Get to it.
44. Re:Easy life by Darinbob · 2015-03-01 11:34 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  A sauna is like exercising, in that it's hot, uncomfortable, and you sweat too much. But the advantage is that you get to sit down and do nothing.
45. Re:Easy life by GNious · 2015-03-01 12:28 · Score: 1
  
  Since it isn't uncommon to have saunas in the house/apartment in Finland, I fail to see what going to "the fucking spa" has to do with it.
46. Re: Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 13:38 · Score: 0
  
  What do you need a "modern" kitchen for? You need a knife, a pan, and a hotplate.
47. Re: Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 14:47 · Score: 0
  
  I suggest you don't dump the low fat diet quite so fast, especially if you aren't doing any exercise.
48. Re:Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 18:53 · Score: 0
  
  My dear lazy slashdot couch buddy, exercise has *saved* many a diseased person's life, not merely extended healthy people's lives.
49. Re:Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 19:00 · Score: 0
  
  > And when you are not exercising, you sleep better, you look better, you feel better, you are happier, and sometimes you experience high utility from your more powerful body.
  Haaahahahaaaaaaaaaaa! "Score: 5 Sarcastic" .
50. Re:Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 19:06 · Score: 0
  
  Runners who develop these joint problems neglect to do the core exercises i.e. stretching, breathing or yoga.
51. Re:Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 20:27 · Score: 0
  
  The majority of Finnish homes have a sauna so no spa visits required..
52. Re:Easy life by bingoUV · 2015-03-01 23:08 · Score: 2
  
  Agreed with the initial 2.5 paragraphs of your post. But
  
  if you want to strengthen a muscle, you have to exercise it, and in general the more intense the exercise, the greater the gains ............ in general exercise leads to better health. By logical inference, better health would obviously lead to the likelihood of living longer
  Exercising a muscle strengthens it can be accepted. But I don't see any increasing function between muscle strength and health. And it is another leap, though a shorter one, between better health and living longer.
  Very weak people are unlikely to be healthy - but after a certain threshold increasingly more muscle strength definitely doesn't lead to better and better health. This threshold isn't even hunk level strength. Note also that health is typically defined in a negative - absence of physical and mental disease. Not only does this correlation NEED a scientific study, there weren't any good ones that I could find last when I looked a few years ago.
  And people very healthy while living drop dead suddenly, or after a very short "non-health". And non-healthy people live on 20 pills a day for 40 years. Both these effects run into families. This is another correlation that isn't as much as it is generally assumed.
  
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53. Re:Easy life by greg1104 · 2015-03-01 23:40 · Score: 2
  
  You know what else minimizes the risk of musculoskeletal problems caused by weight-training? Not doing it, and instead training with something that's considered a less hardcore workout.
  Workout intensity has a large range of activity in it, each with a corresponding risk. I don't think it's appropriate to talk about the benefits of serious strength training without also noting the associated dangerous parts. If you're young enough that you only have been lifting for 12 years (hint: half as long as me), you're unlikely to know about how tricky this gets when you get older yet.
54. Re: Easy life by Demonoid-Penguin · 2015-03-02 00:23 · Score: 1
  
  Explain Jim fix?
  
  Too much tofu. Jogging too soon after eating too much tofu?
  Bill Hicks might have said "Not enough time spent smoking cigarettes and getting nude women to sit on his bald noggin"
  Seriously - congenital heart disease(?)
55. Re:Easy life by jafiwam · 2015-03-02 01:11 · Score: 1
  
  A sauna is like exercising, in that it's hot, uncomfortable, and you sweat too much. But the advantage is that you get to sit down and do nothing.
  The sweat may be the key to this. Salt isn't bad for you, as long as you are pissing or sweating it out. Something that the "western world" folks do a lot less of during the course of their lives. Higher sustained salt loads in the blood and tissues may cause some harm.
56. Re:Easy life by jafiwam · 2015-03-02 01:15 · Score: 1
  
  You'd have to browse Pubmed with blinders on to miss all the studies of how weight training leads to injuries. Just picking one author who writes about them, here's 1 2 3 4 studies on it. I only do body weight exercises now, and I count myself lucky that I only have one mild uncorrectable shoulder injury from my lifting days.
  Makes me wonder if the studies controlled for crossfit idiocy or not.
57. Re:Easy life by Barsteward · 2015-03-02 01:39 · Score: 1
  
  as long as you don't piss or sweat out too much salt otherwise you will no longer be very well
  
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58. Re:Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-02 02:14 · Score: 0
  
  Read again. The research is about sauna use, not visiting spas.
59. Re:Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-02 02:58 · Score: 0
  
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  Good morning," said the merchant.
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  Because they save a tremendous amount of time," said the merchant. "Computations have been made by experts. With these pills, you save fifty-three minutes in every week."
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60. Re: Easy life by ArhcAngel · 2015-03-02 03:46 · Score: 1
  
  There's a new running craze for women but current trends in research point to running actually shortening lifespan if it is overdone.
  
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61. Re:Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-02 05:10 · Score: 0
  
  And you're naked! How could you forget that.
62. Re: Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-02 05:45 · Score: 0
  
  That doesn't mean you have to stop jogging altogether. There is an optimal amount for everything and *no* jogging is definitely not it.
63. Re:Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-02 05:52 · Score: 0
  
  Exercise is not about adding more years to your life, but about adding more life to your years.
64. Re:Easy life by nehumanuscrede · 2015-03-02 07:12 · Score: 1
  
  If you lived in any of the Southern States of the US, you would have nothing to worry about.
  
  Just walking around outside in the Summer Time is on par with visiting a sauna. Nothing like 100+ degree heat coupled with high humidity.
  The mosquitoes do tend to make things a bit miserable though. :D
65. Re:Easy life by mgcarley · 2015-03-02 07:19 · Score: 1
  
  You clearly have no understanding of Finnish life or culture.
  It is said that there is one Sauna for every 2 people in Finland; many people have one in their house and almost every apartment building has one, as do some office buildings.
  
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66. Re:Easy life by Methadras · 2015-03-02 07:23 · Score: 1
  
  So does fucking beautiful women once a day, but the sauna is more available.
67. Re: Easy life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-02 09:03 · Score: 0
  
  Hahahahahaha, awesome :)
68. Re:Easy life by White+Yeti · 2015-03-02 09:28 · Score: 1
  
  So it's like sitting on the porch in Houston during the summer (i.e., May-Sept.).
69. Re:Easy life by Darinbob · 2015-03-02 10:05 · Score: 1
  
  Only if you're sitting there naked and you need a piece of paper under you so that you don't stick to the birch. And if it's hot enough that it hurts to breathe, since these are Finnish saunas and not the wimpy Swedish ones.
70. Re:Easy life by Dripdry · 2015-03-02 10:08 · Score: 2
  
  This last bit sounds interesting to me...
  I've tried "lifting heavy" in many ways over the last 20 years. It's gotten me a messed up back, messed up shoulder, knee, and feet.
  The onyl things that have helped me be in truly good shape are moderate amounts of yoga and rock climbing no more than 3x a week. Everything else has messed up my body royally.
  Also, I can't seem to gain muscle mass, no matter what I try.
  Maybe I'm just designed to die young :)
  
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71. Re:Easy life by rycamor · 2015-03-02 16:43 · Score: 1
  
  "Lifting heavy" is relative to one's capabilities, genetics, age and so on. I don't mean you should lift beyond capacity to control a weight or keep proper form. And, lifting light is how you repair joints, IMHO. If there are joint problems, start light, do high reps, slowly and carefully focusing on range of motion and keeping joints seated right. Then as the body begins to adjust, gradually add weight, but never to the point that you are sacrificing form. Also, lifting heavy is only a small component of good fitness. Other sorts of high-intensity work (like rock-climbing, sprinting, swimming) help round out the picture, and I think even low-intensity exercise (long walks) fill out the picture completely. That which is highest intensity should be done to shortest duration.
  Some people don't add a lot of muscle mass, but small gains are still gains ( Usually offset by fat loss, making the subject think nothing's happening). If you are adding strength you are going in the right direction.
Saunaing's like beating on your head with a hammer by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 04:43 · Score: 0

It feels good when you stop.
Relaxing = Live longer? by furrygeek · 2015-03-01 04:46 · Score: 2

Here we go again - confusing correlation with a causal relationship. Maybe soaking in a hot tub five times a week helps people relax and that's why they live longer. I'm sure the oily fish they eat helps a lot too.
1. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by __aaltlg1547 · 2015-03-01 04:54 · Score: 2
  
  A sauna isn't a hot tub. At least not in Finland. It's sweating in a hot room.
  But controlling for socioeconomic level and prior indications of health and healthy lifestyle should be considered. Maybe the reason why some Finns get to the sauna more often is because they're healthy enough to get out, or have time enough to get out.
  Or maybe sweating in a hot room improves circulation, promotes healing and shoves the balance of microorganisms that colonize your skin in a healthier direction.
  Maybe it just kills one kind of mite that's been plaguing humanity since the dawn of time and nobody knows it's harmful.
2. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by houstonbofh · 2015-03-01 04:55 · Score: 2
  
  Or, it could be that people who do things perceived as healthy, do other things perceived as healthy...
3. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by wonkey_monkey · 2015-03-01 05:31 · Score: 2
  
  The abstract of the research only goes as far as to say there are "links" and that "further studies" are warranted.
  Even the Grauniad only goes so far as to say that it "suggests" that saunas help you live longer, as does the Slashdot summary.
  
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4. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 05:39 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  Maybe the reason why some Finns get to the sauna more often is because they're healthy enough to get out, or have time enough to get out.
  I don't think there's any correlation between a healthy lifestyle and frequent sauna sessions. At least not in Finland where it's clear that not even the most obese men are ashamed of their bodies when they go to the sauna - with a beer (or two) in hand.
5. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 05:44 · Score: 1
  
  Pretty much every house and apartment in finland has access to a sauna, so it's not about 'getting out'.
6. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by arth1 · 2015-03-01 05:49 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  A sauna isn't a hot tub. At least not in Finland. It's sweating in a hot room.
  
  Where a real sauna is typically kept around 90C/194F (and some hotter), an American "sauna" is rarely above 60C/140F, and usually less. And they wear swim trunks and bikinis in it.
  In a real sauna, you can't wear clothes, and particularly not synthetics, because it's too hot.
  The funny thing is that a good hot sauna feels less hot. Your body goes into sauna mode, something it can never do at an American "sauna". You only feel the warmth in your lungs, or if you touch some new piece of furniture. I have often sat with teeth clattering and goose bumps in a sauna, because my ambient temperature sensors had turned off.
  Half an hour in a real sauna is something I truly miss.
7. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 05:57 · Score: 0, Insightful
  
  Something tells me anyone who leads a lifestyle that allows you to go to a sauna "four to seven times weekly" is already not exactly living a stressful life to begin with.
8. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by PopeRatzo · 2015-03-01 05:59 · Score: 2
  
  Of course. I would bet that you'd get the same results from people who spend an hour doing tai chi or meditating or just relaxing on the back porch with a good book.
  But I can't remember, is the sauna the one where naked people whip each other with eucalyptus leaves or is that the steam bath? Or is that something from a nightmare?
  
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9. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by PopeRatzo · 2015-03-01 06:00 · Score: 1
  
  90C? Don't you start to cook at that temperature? What the hell.
  
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10. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by pepty · 2015-03-01 06:06 · Score: 1
  
  I'm sure the oily fish they eat helps a lot too.
  Here we go again - confusing correlation with a causal relationship.
11. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 06:12 · Score: 1
  
  Can we just have a "correlation != causation" bot" that automatically makes the first post for every epidemiological story? After all, it wouldn't have to read the original article to check what the researchers actually controlled for before positing that they didn't control for it.
12. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 06:30 · Score: 0
  
  Some people like bit milder temps but 80C-90C is a very common average .. Some wood heated saunas can go to 105-120C and still be tolerable *but* it really depends on humidity.
  Also, only russians cook in sauna ;)
  http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/aug/08/sauna-championship-russian-dead
13. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by rasjani · 2015-03-01 06:38 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  Consider that Finland has something like 5 million people and 3 million saunas. Virtually almost *everyone* can go to sauna almost any time of the day with flick of a switch and waiting for 20-30 minutes for sauna to heat up..
  
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14. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by arth1 · 2015-03-01 06:42 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  No, you don't start to cook. All your sweat and sebum glands go into high production, and your circulatory system works in cooling mode. But yes, one of the fun experiments is to bring a piece of raw meat in with you in the sauna, and set it aside. After a while, the meat is done, but you're not.
15. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 07:12 · Score: 0
  
  Not sure whether you've proven or disproven my point. Or anything at all.
16. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by Pallas+Athena · 2015-03-01 07:55 · Score: 1
  
  If that were true, I've been cooked quite a couple of times :-) BUT - a sauna needs to be VERY dry (less than 20% humidity). Normal humidity and 90C would indeed cook you.
17. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by Pallas+Athena · 2015-03-01 07:58 · Score: 1
  
  Naked people whipping each other? Have you seen THAT movie?
18. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by Immerman · 2015-03-01 08:07 · Score: 2
  
  Out of curiosity, are those saunas dry or steam? I would think a steam sauna at those temperatures would make it rather difficult for your body to cool itself adequately.
  
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19. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 09:58 · Score: 0
  
  You throw water on the stove, so it does get steamy, but there isn't constant steam like in those steam rooms you see in the movies all the time.
  Found this in youtube, haven't seen it all myself.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_rNFsHruDU
20. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 10:03 · Score: 0
  
  There's no eucalyptus in Finland. Birch is used.
21. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 10:16 · Score: 0
  
  Also, only russians cook in sauna ;)
  Well, you could state that finish guy was anything of almost finished / medium minus / half baked etc.
  Had severe burns and partially just by luck did not lose his life.
  And, it was last sauna competition there has been, they were fortunately banned after that event, nor that it was any bright idea to start with at the beginning either.
22. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by Kartu · 2015-03-01 10:20 · Score: 1
  
  Note that air is also very dry in saunas.
  90C is nothing special, everyone can easily stand it for at least 10-15 mins.
  Germans also do "Aufguss" (not sure what Fins call it or whether they do it) in 90C.
  It's when they also add humidity into the picture, normally in 3 rounds. Depending on Sauna/who is doing it, it can quickly get to unbearable levels.
23. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 10:23 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  If that were true, I've been cooked quite a couple of times :-)
  BUT - a sauna needs to be VERY dry (less than 20% humidity). Normal humidity and 90C would indeed cook you.
  BAH, humbug.
  it's quite the contrary, we (finns) throw water to stove, which boils immediately forming steam (löyly) which fills the 'sauna room' (löylyhuoneen).
  Humidity is well over 80% there in well warmed up sauna all the time and when that water is thrown (half a pint of more) it will quite rapidly go above 90% humidity.
  If you have been in a place where someone calls it sauna and it's unlike that, it's not a proper finnish sauna, not even close.
24. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by iMadeGhostzilla · 2015-03-01 11:16 · Score: 1
  
  I'm not sure we'll ever find causation in a complex system such as human life, beyond the very simple and obvious. Ie. as someone said it is not clear that there is an arrow of causality from A to B. If B (a person's life) depends on a bajillion other factors, what influence could a single A (sauna) have that could be demonstrated and isolated? Unless A is something obvious like ingesting cyanide.
  I think the point of these studies is more like, if something has been done for a long time (eg. sauna in moderation, in Finland) and you enjoy it (perhaps after giving it some time), then it's probably not bad for you.
25. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by PopeRatzo · 2015-03-01 11:19 · Score: 1
  
  Germans also do "Aufguss" (not sure what Fins call it or whether they do it) in 90C.
  "Aufguss"? Is that like a sex thing? I couldn't find it on Urban Dictionary.
  
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26. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by PopeRatzo · 2015-03-01 11:20 · Score: 1
  
  Hotter than the boiling point of water? I would think your eyeballs would explode or something.
  
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27. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by PopeRatzo · 2015-03-01 11:22 · Score: 1
  
  After a while, the meat is done, but you're not.
  I've seen some of the people going into the sauna. I'm pretty sure you'd get done.
  
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28. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by PopeRatzo · 2015-03-01 11:24 · Score: 1
  
  it's quite the contrary, we (finns) throw water to stove, which boils immediately forming steam (löyly) which fills the 'sauna room' (löylyhuoneen).
  Considering the drinking habits of the Finns I've known, I'm not sure I want to be copying their health regime.
  I've known some big drinkers, but Finns are in a class by themselves.
  
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29. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by TeknoHog · 2015-03-01 11:39 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  it's quite the contrary, we (finns) throw water to stove, which boils immediately forming steam (löyly) which fills the 'sauna room' (löylyhuoneen). Humidity is well over 80% there in well warmed up sauna all the time and when that water is thrown (half a pint of more) it will quite rapidly go above 90% humidity.
  If you have been in a place where someone calls it sauna and it's unlike that, it's not a proper finnish sauna, not even close.
  I'm not sure how exactly the (relative) humidity percentages translate to human perception, but from the experience as a Finn, the effect of humidity varies a lot. When you toss water on the stove, there's your familiar (for /. audiences) heat pipe effect: evaporation at the stove, condensation on your skin, meaning a rapid burst-mode transfer of heat into you. But this only lasts a couple of seconds, and you'll generally spend minutes relaxing in the moderate heat in between tosses.
  The ideal temperature and humidity also depends heavily on the size and build of the sauna. Smaller ones are generally fine with lower air temperatures, presumably because the heat pipe effect will be better focused.
  Of course, ideal humidities and temperatures really come down to preferences, and the watering frequency also provides a lot of control, there's really no need for extreme heat if that's not your thing. IMHO, the sauna is first and foremost about relaxation, even a kind of meditation, and presumably that's an important factor on health.
  
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30. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by dinfinity · 2015-03-01 11:43 · Score: 2
  
  Apparently it is sort of both.
  There is a difference between relative and absolute humidity. The former is related to the the dew point.
  If I understand it correctly, higher temperature (faster movement) of the water molecules raises the amount of molecules (in a volume of air) that need to be present to form water droplets. The amount of molecules in a certain volume of air is the absolute humidity, which can be very high in (Finnish) saunas. Due to the high temperature, however, no water droplets are formed in the air or on objects that are as hot as the air. This means that the relative humidity can be low at the same time. That also means that sweat can still evaporate relatively easily, which in turn allows the body to prevent overheating for a longer time.
31. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by DigiShaman · 2015-03-01 11:58 · Score: 1
  
  And yet you can die in temps and lower humidity levels from heatstroke. Figure that shit out. The moment your "ambient temperer sensors" turn off is the time you should leave IMHO. That's a real bad thing to have happen.
  
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32. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by GNious · 2015-03-01 12:31 · Score: 1
  
  You're American, right?
  Am asking, since before going to the US, I've never seen a sauna at less than 90C, yet in the US, I never saw one above 60C.
33. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by thegarbz · 2015-03-01 18:50 · Score: 0
  
  BAH, humbug.
  it's quite the contrary, we (finns) throw water to stove, which boils immediately forming steam (löyly) which fills the 'sauna room' (löylyhuoneen).
  You Finns throw water on the stove.... at the very end. GP is right, even in Finnland. If you go to any spa or professionally run sauna you'll have a humidity between 10-40%. The Finnish sauna involves heating the room, then circulating the air out of it (critical on the second sitting to get the humidity down), then reheating to around 90C. You then sit in this room for about 10 min with a low humidity. After the 10min is over you throw water on the stove which instantly brings the humidity to around 90%. That burning sensation is humid heat which the body would not be able to stand for very long. Then someone will usually aerate the room with their towel. The high humidity, temperature and moving air will make most people think like they are dying though in reality at this point the temperature will have dropped by well over 10degC.
  GP is right. At 80% humidity at 90C you wouldn't last very long.
34. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 19:30 · Score: 0
  
  Are you actually trying to tell a FInn how to use a sauna? You are wrong. Parent is right. Don't know about the air humidities though. I'd tend to agree the ambient humidity isn't very high, just because the air is very hot. But it's not very dry either, if it is it doesn't feel good. The heat is more moist than dry. You'd know if you had actually been in a sauna. The best numbers I can find is humidity between 40%-60%, if you throw lots of water to the stones 70%.
  You don't circulate air out from sauna at any point. (unless it's a smoke sauna, then you do, or die sitting in the smoke, but that's another, older type of sauna). You don't aerate the room with your towel, heck, you don't HAVE a towel in sauna. If you ever come to Finland, please visit a real sauna, there are public ones, but the most authentic might be if someone offers you a chance to visit theirs.
35. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by Neil+Boekend · 2015-03-01 20:14 · Score: 1
  
  Even at over 100C you don't cook. I have been in a low humidity 105C sauna when I was younger. Sessions of over an hour.
  You have to build up to it or your sweat glands won't be able to keep up.
  
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36. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by Neil+Boekend · 2015-03-01 20:21 · Score: 1
  
  Literally translated: "pour on". As in pour water over the heater so it evaporates and increases the air humidity.
  
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37. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by arth1 · 2015-03-02 00:28 · Score: 1
  
  What's the average life span of Finns?
  What's the average life span of Americans?
38. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-02 00:31 · Score: 1
  
  You Finns throw water on the stove.... at the very end. [...] After the 10min is over you throw water on the stove which instantly brings the humidity to around 90%. That burning sensation is humid heat which the body would not be able to stand for very long. Then someone will usually aerate the room with their towel. The high humidity, temperature and moving air will make most people think like they are dying though in reality at this point the temperature will have dropped by well over 10degC.
  This is incorrect. I don't know where you've bathed, but this doesn't sound like Finnish sauna bathing at all. Water is thrown at the stove every few minutes, and whoever can't take the heat will move to a lower platform or exit the sauna. I've never seen anyone aerate the room with a towel. In fact, in Finland towels are normally not taken inside the sauna, the standard is to bathe fully naked.
39. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-02 02:01 · Score: 0
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_rNFsHruDU
40. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-02 02:04 · Score: 0
  
  It was not banned, but the organizer did not want to continue, and i guess no one else did either.
41. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-02 03:28 · Score: 0
  
  That sauna which you call American one is infra-red sauna and uses a totally different method to heat your body. This sauna doesn't have a dedicated sauna stove like in Finnish one.
42. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by arth1 · 2015-03-02 04:25 · Score: 1
  
  That sauna which you call American one is infra-red sauna and uses a totally different method to heat your body. This sauna doesn't have a dedicated sauna stove like in Finnish one.
  Americans have saunas with a stove with rocks too. They just don't use them as warm as a real sauna. I've been to a couple, and they have been truly underwhelming, with the temperature being in the 60C/140F range. Yeah, that's uncomfortable - it needs to be much warmer before it works as a sauna and not just a sweat lodge.
43. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by arth1 · 2015-03-02 05:54 · Score: 1
  
  Then someone will usually aerate the room with their towel.
  Who brings a towel into a sauna??
44. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-02 09:53 · Score: 0
  
  Where a real sauna is typically kept around 90C/194F (and some hotter), an American "sauna" is rarely above 60C/140F,
  Maybe a White Man's American sauna but a Native American sweat lodge will sure put you in what you called "sauna mode". Cook the skin right off of you. You are right about once the heat hits a certian level you don't feel it the same. It is realaxing to the soul.
45. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by thegarbz · 2015-03-03 12:16 · Score: 1
  
  The sauna master.
46. Re:Relaxing = Live longer? by thegarbz · 2015-03-03 12:17 · Score: 1
  
  You don't bring your towel in. The man running the show does.
  Where did i bathe? Public saunas in Finnland.
And what about hot showers and hot baths... by Camel+Pilot · 2015-03-01 04:48 · Score: 1

I don't see why sauna's would be somehow different.
1. Re:And what about hot showers and hot baths... by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 04:57 · Score: 0
  
  This is why it is very likely another reason and not the sauna.
  Either that or there really, extremely unlikely, is a reason relating to the steam itself.
  But in all honesty it will likely just come back to heat + relaxation.
2. Re:And what about hot showers and hot baths... by houstonbofh · 2015-03-01 04:57 · Score: 2
  
  Well, for one thing, a dry sauna is a thing... A dry shower or bath is not.
3. Re:And what about hot showers and hot baths... by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 05:03 · Score: 0
  
  I am pretty sure a hot bath exists and is therefore a thing.
4. Re:And what about hot showers and hot baths... by __aaltlg1547 · 2015-03-01 05:20 · Score: 1
  
  I don't see why sauna's would be somehow different.
  More time spent in the heat and no risk of drowning.
5. Re:And what about hot showers and hot baths... by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 20:40 · Score: 0
  
  There is no steam in a sauna.
Well sure it works in Finland by fustakrakich · 2015-03-01 04:49 · Score: 1

Let's try the same gag in the Sahara..

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1. Re: Well sure it works in Finland by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 11:34 · Score: 0
  
  I haven't been living an working in Sahara, but I can assure you that a proper Finnish Sauna was really great in Riyadh at our compound once we realized there was one. It was built by swedes when they had been contracted building whole compound. We first had some convincing with Philippinos maintaining recreation centre to let us warm it up to 90 C and throw water on stove. They were afraid we would break it and they would get blamed, but once we succeed explainining, showing our passports and showing stove had made in Finland we were good to go.
  Oh my, It felt as good as back at home. We of course could not run naked over the parking lot and tennis court to pool, had to just use showers, but it was really great to have it there.
  It doesn't matter if you have had temp around 50 C in shade all day, spent half day driving around large city, sat in office, meetings, spent day lying next to pool or whatever, sauna feels always great.
  One notice though, it's not advisable to go sauna if you have burnt your skin recently. Then it can be painful.
2. Re:Well sure it works in Finland by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 19:45 · Score: 0
  
  The finnish UN troops have built saunas everywhere.
Smoking Hot Blondes by sycodon · 2015-03-01 04:51 · Score: 4, Insightful

Especially when the sauna is filled with naked Scandinavian women.

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1. Re:Smoking Hot Blondes by houstonbofh · 2015-03-01 04:58 · Score: 1
  
  It is even aerobic at that point! Heart rate? Check. Deep breathing? Check.
2. Re:Smoking Hot Blondes by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 05:15 · Score: 1
  
  You'll find that most Finns will resent you for linking them to Scandinavians. (to most people in the area Finland is not Scandinavia)
3. Re:Smoking Hot Blondes by Rhywden · 2015-03-01 06:44 · Score: 1
  
  Too bad that sauna is usually single-sex in Finland.
  They're a bit on the prudish side :)
4. Re:Smoking Hot Blondes by Gaygirlie · 2015-03-01 06:51 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  As a Finn I disagree with that notion. Only public saunas are gender-specific. Nearly everywhere else where people who know everyone go to sauna regardless of sex, and this includes adults and children, too.
5. Re:Smoking Hot Blondes by KingOfBLASH · 2015-03-01 06:59 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  "Finnish Sauna" is often used as a label for a particular type of Sauna at a good bath house. Hot, dry heat (and very hot at that -- often in excess of 100F), often with a roaring fire in the center. You'll also have other types of saunas (steam saunas, infared saunas, etc.), some of which are also associated with a country (Russian Sauna, Turkish Sauna, etc.). And if you pick the right country, the sauna will both be co ed, and naked. (Remember those shirts from the 90s?)
  I recommend Spa Zuiver in Amsterdam. Everyone will be naked, you can go into naked jacuzzis together, and it's a wonderfully relaxing experience.
  Of course, before you book your ticket with thoughts of a hedon's paradise, you should know a few things.
  1. The sauna is not a pick up place. The chances of meeting a hot woman there and turning it into something are quite small.
  2. For every hot woman who you will be happy to see naked, there will be four old women or men
  3. Staring is not something to be done. However, if you happen to be sitting in a place where you see everything, and someone comes in, well that's OK.
  4. You will be naked too. And your beauty will be judging you as well.
  5. There will be a bar. And food service. While you can't drink in the pools, where else can you drink around a bunch of naked people?
  But, if you'd never been, I'd highly recommend it. A day at the sauna makes you feel incredible. Really. And muscle soreness will just disappear. It's quite amazing (try a sauna after your work outs sometime)
6. Re:Smoking Hot Blondes by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 07:59 · Score: 0
  
  and very hot at that -- often in excess of 100F
  That's pretty shitty sauna...if you can even call it that. Try 100C (212F).
7. Re:Smoking Hot Blondes by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 10:06 · Score: 0
  
  Damn straight.
8. Re:Smoking Hot Blondes by Smauler · 2015-03-01 11:43 · Score: 1
  
  As AC has already mentioned, 100F is not that hot. England's record temperature is 101.3F, for example, recorded in Kent.
9. Re:Smoking Hot Blondes by DigiShaman · 2015-03-01 12:08 · Score: 1
  
  Never been to sauna, but I want to try. I'm a texan, so we don't really have the environment for that being a warm gulf state. When I traveled to China, I did try the hot springs (Singapore design I think) while I detoxed with rice tea; more or less. But yes, you come out feeling like a million bucks. I only wish I could do it once a month or more often.
  
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10. Re:Smoking Hot Blondes by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 12:12 · Score: 0
  
  "Finnish Sauna" is often used as a label for a particular type of Sauna at a good bath house. Hot, dry heat (and very hot at that -- often in excess of 100F)
  I assume this was a typo. A Finnish sauna is often over 100C (over 200F).
11. Re:Smoking Hot Blondes by Rhywden · 2015-03-01 12:30 · Score: 1
  
  From my own experience in Finland, I can't really agree.
12. Re:Smoking Hot Blondes by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 12:41 · Score: 0
  
  Saunas are 90-100 C, not F.
  No, you won't boil even if the air temperature goes over 100C. You don't want to stay too long either, though
  Posting 90 km from Helsinki, the capital of Finland.
13. Re:Smoking Hot Blondes by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 12:48 · Score: 1
  
  In private saunas ladies are usually given a chance to bathe separately. The sessions go "ladies - mixed - ladies - mixed" or something like that. And shy types can always wrap a towel around the waist - being fully naked in mixed-gender sauna is an option, never a requirement.
  I work in an international company. Our company parties often contain sauna. The americans are always bewildered. People - nude - mixed-gender - in what they consider "official environment". This probably violates all U.S. workplace safety rules ever written.... :)
14. Re:Smoking Hot Blondes by KingOfBLASH · 2015-03-01 13:48 · Score: 1
  
  Yup. I went to convert it to F and forgot to change it. Mea Culpa
15. Re:Smoking Hot Blondes by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 19:41 · Score: 0
  
  If it's a Finnish sauna there is a stove, and you throw water on it. Temperature should be between 80-120 C. For first timers I'd recomment the lower end of spectrum.
16. Re:Smoking Hot Blondes by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-02 01:16 · Score: 0
  
  Finland is not Scandinavia, and Finnish women tend not to be blonde.
Sick people do not go to saunas by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 04:56 · Score: 0

Sick people - especially those with cardiovascular condition are not going to saunas.
Surprisingly, sick people tend to live shorter.
I prefer a shorter life without some fat guys junk by JoeyRox · 2015-03-01 05:00 · Score: 2, Funny

waiving around in front of me. It's not the quantity of life but quality that matters.
Re:I prefer a shorter life without some fat guys j by ColdWetDog · 2015-03-01 05:05 · Score: 1

As is true in real estate, the quality of life depends largely on your neighborhood.

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Re:I prefer a shorter life without some fat guys j by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 05:12 · Score: 0

waiving around in front of me. It's not the quantity of life but quality that matters.
In Finland there are about 5 million people and more than 2 million saunas. Plenty for everyone, no need to spend the time gauging fat guys' junk.
Research Suggests by AdamStarks · 2015-03-01 05:13 · Score: 4, Insightful

That being happy and relaxed every now and then can prolong your life.
1. Re:Research Suggests by thegarbz · 2015-03-01 18:53 · Score: 1
  
  Actually I think it may be the opposite. Saunas are not really places for relaxation. Your heart rate is high and when you do it like the Finns you will shock your body quite severely with long warm up periods, sudden humidity spike then a sudden temperature drop outside in a cold shower, or rolling naked in the snow.
2. Re:Research Suggests by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-02 00:43 · Score: 0
  
  Ergo, sex!
didn't the romans figure this out long ago? by alen · 2015-03-01 05:16 · Score: 2

they had hot baths thousands of years ago
1. Re:didn't the romans figure this out long ago? by itzly · 2015-03-01 05:29 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  And how many are still alive ?
2. Re:didn't the romans figure this out long ago? by rahvin112 · 2015-03-01 05:37 · Score: 1
  
  They had hot baths because otherwise they didn't bathe.
3. Re:didn't the romans figure this out long ago? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 12:10 · Score: 0
  
  Yeah, never mind the SLAVES that had to build and keep the fires alive. Their health and lives were expendable, naturally.
Global warming by alvieboy · 2015-03-01 05:21 · Score: 1

So, we should not be afraid of Global Warming, if in conjunction with High Humidity ?
I have severe headaches when temperature rises above ~32C (about ~90F). Not sure those finnish sauna would help me at all.
1. Re:Global warming by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 06:27 · Score: 0
  
  15 minutes at 90C is very different from several hours in 30C. Your body is a big sack of water that takes time to warm up, especially when the body is actively cooling itself via sweating. You may get hot on the surface, but not inside.
  Another custom that goes along with sauna is to run straight from sauna to a nearby pond or lake (Finland has lots of lakes) or jump into a pile of snow in the winter. I have found that I cannot go into a 10C water when I have been in a 100+ degree sauna, as the only the outer layers have warmed up in the 5-10 minutes I can stand to be in this kind of heat. However, it is perfectly reasonable to go and swim for several minutes in a 10C water after having slow-cooked yourself at 80-85C (for at least 20 minutes). Yes, the skin will feel cold for a moment before the blood vessels contract, and my dick will become even smaller than it already is, but the core temperature remains high enough.
  I do not know about your head aches, but I do know that you are comparing apples to oranges here.
2. Re:Global warming by Whiteox · 2015-03-01 10:25 · Score: 1
  
  Nothing like seeing a bunch of naked men and women running out of a Finnish sauna onto a pier and jumping into arctic waters. I saw that in Tornio/Happaranda and it freaked me out.
  
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3. Re:Global warming by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 10:43 · Score: 0
  
  For me sauna helps with headaches. Sometimes only temporarely while i'm in the sauna, sometimes it complitely takes the headache away.
4. Re: Global warming by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 11:56 · Score: 0
  
  Same here. Sauna does good almost any condition except if having skin burnt or high fever.
5. Re:Global warming by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 20:39 · Score: 0
  
  ... Global Warming, if in conjunction with High Humidity?
  
  Heat mostly affects the food and water supply. It also affects the brain, so expect a lot more stupidity. As with most things, the body needs a certain level of stress and rest. Long-term variation slowly accumulates into long-term damage.
The wrong conclusion was drawn by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 05:23 · Score: 3, Interesting

The wrong conclusion was drawn from this observational study. Saunas are very stressful. People who are weak can not tolerate many saunas and therefore avoid them. Healthy people don't have a problem with them and take more of them. Saunas didn't make them healthy, saunas just weeded out the unhealthy.
It's similar to the incorrect conclusion that 6 cups of coffee a day prevents diabetes. The truth is that caffeine makes people with blood sugar problems shaky so they avoid coffee. While people with no blood sugar problems can drink a lot of it because it makes them feel good. The coffee didn't prevent diabetes in them, it's just that the non-diabetics are are drawn to coffee and the diabetics avoid it, thus the results of an observational study being interpreted wrong (as most are).
All observational studies are suspect and should not be used as the basis of behavior modification.
1. Re:The wrong conclusion was drawn by rasjani · 2015-03-01 06:41 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  People who are weak can not tolerate many saunas and therefore avoid them. Healthy people don't have a problem with them and take more of them. Saunas didn't make them healthy, saunas just weeded out the unhealthy.
  You obviously have not been into public sauna in Finland if you claim that only healthy people go there..
  
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2. Re:The wrong conclusion was drawn by pepty · 2015-03-01 07:41 · Score: 2
  
  The wrong conclusion was drawn from this observational study. Saunas are very stressful. People who are weak can not tolerate many saunas and therefore avoid them. Healthy people don't have a problem with them and take more of them.
  Meanwhile, in the actual article:
  
  After adjustment for CVD risk factors ...
3. Re:The wrong conclusion was drawn by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 10:31 · Score: 1
  
  "If sauna, booze and tar don't help, the disease is fatal"
4. Re:The wrong conclusion was drawn by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-02 00:25 · Score: 0
  
  The truth is that caffeine makes people with blood sugar problems shaky so they avoid coffee. ... non-diabetics are are drawn to coffee and the diabetics avoid it.
  Surely you must be trolling?
  sincerely,
  coffe drinker (caffeine 'n all) with diabetes 1
"Suggests" is not conclusive! by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 05:44 · Score: 0

Don't confuse correlation with causation! It's the usual /. type of news again, some scientists find a correlation and it's news because we think we have found causation.
But what the actual cause is? No-one knows. We can only speculate until further research is done.
recipe for long life by PopeRatzo · 2015-03-01 05:55 · Score: 3, Insightful

Big surprise: People that take time out of their day for things they enjoy and self-care live longer. Who knew?
So, someone who has the time and financial resources to spend an hour in a sauna probably has a long list of factors that will contribute to longer life, none of which involve the life-giving effects of sitting in a hot box.

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1. Re:recipe for long life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 06:43 · Score: 0
  
  To be expected - Clean living is good for you!
2. Re:recipe for long life by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 07:01 · Score: 0
  
  This has nothing to do with financial resources. Pretty much every single apartment building in Finland has a sauna somewhere for the residents.
3. Re:recipe for long life by PopeRatzo · 2015-03-01 11:27 · Score: 1
  
  This has nothing to do with financial resources. Pretty much every single apartment building in Finland has a sauna somewhere for the residents.
  You're talking about a country with a very high standard of living and well-distributed wealth. Yes, it has to do with financial resources.
  
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Re:I prefer a shorter life without some fat guys j by PopeRatzo · 2015-03-01 05:56 · Score: 1

So stay away from full-length mirrors.

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Isolated Causes by JimSadler · 2015-03-01 06:08 · Score: 2

Who is to say that it is not a result from breathing ice cold air or constantly shoveling snow or chopping firewood that cause a heath effect and not the sauna at all?
I hate gender bias in studies by wwphx · 2015-03-01 06:17 · Score: 3, Insightful

2,000 men: no women. Guess what -- women are alive and have cardiovascular health also. And a lot of women die because most heart studies don't study women and their symptoms of heart attack are different.

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1. Re:I hate gender bias in studies by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 06:38 · Score: 0
  
  That's because the Republicans hate us and want us to die. Outlawing studies to help women is one of their most effective tactics in their War on Women.
2. Re:I hate gender bias in studies by Smauler · 2015-03-01 11:55 · Score: 1
  
  For fucks sake. Guess what, gender specific studies are sometimes done with women too. Restricting variables helps make studies more useful statistically.
  If you want to get angry about gender imbalance in medicine, try looking at breast cancer research vs prostate cancer research.
3. Re:I hate gender bias in studies by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 16:11 · Score: 0
  
  That's because the Republicans hate us and want us to die. Outlawing studies to help women is one of their most effective tactics in their War on Women.
  There are Republicans in Finland?
  I wonder where someone goes to the sauna in Finland. Might this be a proxy variable for, say, gym attendance?
4. Re: I hate gender bias in studies by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 21:43 · Score: 0
  
  People in Finland usually go to sauna at home.
5. Re:I hate gender bias in studies by wwphx · 2015-03-02 00:40 · Score: 1
  
  I know some studies are biased in the other direction, but cardio health is an important area with differences between genders. Talking about breast cancer, there is an army or marine base that has a tremendous breast cancer cluster -- among men. And guys in their 20s are contracting it and dying of it. And that's the opposite side of the sauna study -- men get breast cancer and should be studied, women have cardiovascular disease and should be studied. Too many people will see one-sided studies like this and apply the same findings to everyone, and that's frequently too broad a generalization.
  
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6. Re:I hate gender bias in studies by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-02 03:26 · Score: 0
  
  "A girl born in 2012 can expect to live to 81.2 years—almost 5 years longer than a boy baby born the same year, who’s likely live to age 76.4."
  "Women succumb to heart disease later. Heart disease is the leading killer of both men and women, but men are more likely to develop it—and die from it—as early as their 30s and 40s. Women, on the other hand, typically develop heart disease 10 years later than men. They’re protected from it until menopause, since their bodies churn out estrogen, which helps keep arteries strong and flexible, says Dr. Legato."
  Source: http://news.health.com/2014/10/13/why-do-women-live-longer-than-men/
  Is it okay that we try to figure out why women live longer than men? Or, do you have a problem with studies that promote men's health?
7. Re:I hate gender bias in studies by Smauler · 2015-03-02 15:40 · Score: 1
  
  Breast cancer amongst men is diminishingly small comparatively. Testicular cancer is pretty inconsequential too. Prostate cancer, now, kills almost as many men as breast cancer does women.
Skewed Results by Dorianny · 2015-03-01 06:19 · Score: 4, Insightful

The problem with this type of studies is that is that you can never establish causality. Does X activity really extend ones lifespan on its own or is the type of person that engages in that activity simply into a healthier overall lifestyle. This particular study might even be skewed due to most doctors advising patients with chronic Cardiovascular Disease to avoid saunas. Cardiovascular Disease is the number one killer in the developed world and removing them from a population sample would tip average life expectancy higher.
1. Re:Skewed Results by BoRegardless · 2015-03-01 06:51 · Score: 1
  
  Indeed, candidate selection has as much to do with outcomes as anything else when you select only 2000 people for your study. What is the mix or city dwellers, office workers, those having outdoor activities, daily walks or not, healthy diets & drugs or not? It can get iffy real quick.
  I can believe the researchers tried to get a mixed profile, but it would be good to read the participant selection survey results.
Some more spa, please) by nastyaheyyo · 2015-03-01 06:56 · Score: 1

Good news indeed! We're all in need of weekly extra payment for sauna procedures. Regarding them, as medical treatment, of course) Just look, how many salons are there in US, only in Trantr http://trantr.com/category/per... there's plenty of them! Visiting those day to day is rather a silly step, but keeping fit and reasonable lifestile to be healthy and beautiful doesn't require much money and time, just your desire. That's to my mind.
Straight from Captain Obvious Health News by Qbertino · 2015-03-01 07:04 · Score: 1

Just in: Training your circular system regularly with strong temperature fluctuations help you live longer vis-a-vis just sitting on your fat ass all day long and doing nothing. Film at 11. ... Seriously, this was news in the 70ies when the Sauna boom started but it's common sense today.
Sidenote: I've picked up the habit of showering cold after each shower half a year ago. Does wonders to my wellbeing and my imune system. My colds and allergy issues are way down and my overall well-being has notably improved.

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I live in a sauna by reboot246 · 2015-03-01 07:20 · Score: 1

Well, at least during the Summer. The temps in Alabama can easily reach 100, and can stay in the 90s for days at a time. Add the high humidity and the air feels like pea soup. You don't even have to move to sweat like a horse. Working outdoors means not a dry thread on you when you're finished.
1. Re:I live in a sauna by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 21:03 · Score: 0
  
  The highest temperature ever recorded on Earth was 56.7 degress, still more than 30 degrees less than even a relatively cool sauna.
2. Re: I live in a sauna by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 21:47 · Score: 0
  
  Bullshit. The type of small saunas people have in their apartements are usually heated to 60-80C range. Some Finns like to brag about having saunas in the 100-120C range but thats rarely the case. Some dumb fucks even burned down a public sauna when they tried to max out the wooden heated stove.
3. Re: I live in a sauna by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-02 01:19 · Score: 0
  
  Lolwut? I set my sauna at 80C as a minimum.
4. Re:I live in a sauna by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-02 03:21 · Score: 0
  
  Are you aware of that Finnish sauna's temperature is between 170-210 F so 100 or 90 is not really hot.
Tai Chi! by ikhider · 2015-03-01 07:24 · Score: 1

I want to be one of those old Asians who do tai chi in the park at early hours. I see California Raisin old Chinese men buying condoms at drug stores. The closest thing I do as a Caucasian is make obscene gestures at the bus as it zips off before I reach my stop. Time for a lifestyle change.

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Selection bias? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 07:27 · Score: 1

If a Finn isn't going to the sauna (pronounced sOW-na), then it's only because he's dead or dying.
I must clarify my post.... by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 08:04 · Score: 0

...when I wrote "and when you are not exercising..." what I meant was "and when a person who exercises is not exercising..."
It was intended as a direct response to the gp. But as a stand-alone post, that opening sentence was quite ambiguous.
1. Re:I must clarify my post.... by Barsteward · 2015-03-02 01:42 · Score: 1
  
  yea, but who modded "insightful" when it was quite obviously wrong ?
  
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But we should not abandon aerobic exercise by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 08:33 · Score: 0

This study, for example, demonstrates conclusively that aerobic exercise (like running) delivers more blood to the brain and this nourishes the brain and stimulates it to higher performance, specifically for memory.
Ten miles a day might be bad. A half hour jog on an elliptical machine three times a week is definitely good.
I live in Houston by Tony+Isaac · 2015-03-01 08:51 · Score: 1

I'm going to live forever!
My youth by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 08:57 · Score: 0

... four to seven times weekly received the greatest benefits.

When I was a horny schoolboy, a tourist resort was built behind the family's holiday home. It had a quarter olympic-size swimming pool and underneath, a 20-foot steam room. I visited the steam sauna every day, but few people used it. Not to worry, there were frequently 20-something, bare-breasted tourists using the swimming pool.
Yes, but how do you pronounce "sauna"? by jordanjay29 · 2015-03-01 09:26 · Score: 1

S-OW-na?
S-AW-na?
1. Re:Yes, but how do you pronounce "sauna"? by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 10:15 · Score: 0
  
  You can hear it from youtube, search for finnish sauna.
2. Re:Yes, but how do you pronounce "sauna"? by TeknoHog · 2015-03-01 11:44 · Score: 2
  
  S-OW-na? S-AW-na?
  The first one is closer to the original Finnish pronunciation (Finnish spelling is basically IPA), but we don't mind if you use the second one. There's no confusion with other words, especially if you otherwise speak English.
  
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Mod parent down by Prune · 2015-03-01 09:29 · Score: 3

The study specifically controlled for risk factors for cardiovascular disease.

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Simple reason by Tablizer · 2015-03-01 19:07 · Score: 1

Simple reason: they cook your balls, you have less children, less stress, and live longer.

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Finns NEED sauna to sweat by bingoUV · 2015-03-01 23:19 · Score: 1

People in less colder climes sweat without trying.

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ecocata by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-01 23:52 · Score: 0

As saunas are heated by electricity or wood, I can imagine the eco-catastrophe if one billion Chinese start to bath five times a week. Let's just agree that only us the Finns are allowed to have saunas.
You don't "contract" cancer by Anonymous Coward · 2015-03-07 12:24 · Score: 0

You don't "contract" cancer.