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Indian Gov't Wants Worldwide Ban On Rape Documentary, Including Online
An anonymous reader writes India's far-right Hindu Nationalist government headed by Narendra Modi has banned telecasting and viewing online of a BBC documentary on the 2012 Delhi rape which shocked the nation. The documentary consists interviews of the rapist Mukesh Singh, his lawyers and the victim's parents seems to expose the male dominant nature of Indian society. Indian government is now attempting to ban the documentary worldwide. Critics of the Indian government's action has accused it of not addressing issues women face and instead trying to hide the dirty secrets of its culture from the world. Some Indian websites have also reported that the views expressed by the rapist are echoed by policemen, lawyers and politicians of the nation. So far the government's attempt to ban the video online is with mixed success.
Someone has to teach Modi what "Streisand Effect" means.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
So what's the bittorrent name for the file? I've got to grab it just in case the Hindu fanatics win.
Hey India: "Sticking your head in the sand ignoring the issue doesn't make it go away!"
Deal with it.
Unless the video is hosted on servers in India, they cannot ban it being viewed in other countries, at least not without the cooperation of every government in the world. Unless someone is lying in the documentary, I see this as the government of India trying to hide the truth about the culture of the country. Obviously the Indian government has never heard of the Streisand effect.
http://youtu.be/VWuJHbVZBQg?t=...
How can a country that hosts so many of the world's call centers still have no idea how the internet works?
effect
After all, traditional marriages are arranged by the parents, per dowry arrangements and negotiations. Parents of the bribe, I mean bride, must pay life's savings to marry off daughters. You must avoid getting stuck with feeding her and her illegitimate children for your entire life. If you can manage to marry her off, then even if her husband dies first, the custom dictates that she must throw herself on her dead husband's burning corpse as part of the ritual funeral ceremony, If he can't feed you you're better off burned alive then left over to the throngs of dudes. Many female babies seem to suffer greater mortality for some reason that defies standard statistical deviation....
Hopefully you have a "Plan B." One would think, ideally, one of your plans would be to not rape people. I mean, just throwing that out there. After, I dunno, the third or forth news story I was all like "Wow, they're really raping a lot of people in India all of a sudden. Did one of our fraternities start outsourcing or something?" And you guys do know that raping people is bad, right? I mean, based on your reaction to this movie, it does seem like you're aware of that. So maybe try not raping people for a while, see how that goes for you.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
BBC Full Documentary- 'India's Daughter' on Nirbhaya Delhi Gang Rap | Jyoti singh | HD | Banned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxkMzBqjgw8
Perhaps "the cooperation of every government in the world" shall take the form of the Berne Convention. If the video contains anything copyrighted by the Indian government or by a corporation friendly to the Indian government, then anyone hosting the video is liable for copyright infringement. Not all countries recognize fair use to the same extent.
Here is the link.
BBC Full Documentary- 'India's Daughter' on Nirbhaya Delhi Gang Rap | Jyoti singh | HD | Banned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxkMzBqjgw8
An issue that I never cared about suddenly became interesting. Thanks Indian government for stimulating my interest.
And thank you to the people who posted links here.
The rapist's comments in the documentary are pretty shocking - he blames the victim for the rape, for being out at 9PM rather than at home doing house chores. I suspect this perspective isn't unique to this one man and thus the government considers it an embarrassing reflection on the nation as a whole. Maybe that's a good thing.
It was illegal to do that in India a few year before it was illegal for you guys to keep slaves - you should have thought about that before you played the "backwards savages" card.
The current situation is based on current problems that can exist in places other than India (or toga parties in the USA).
The comments he makes will make any sane male want to beat this scumbag to a bloody pulp no longer resembling a human being. The fact that he can say this with a straight face and that others, many others, probably agree with him is just horrid. I can't think of many more shit-holes worse than India, only the Caliphate would be categorically worse, but I'm sure there are some that come close. This kind of attitude defiles all the values I was brought up to uphold. It is beyond sickening. On one hand it is not my place to tell them how to run their shit-hole, but on another if they try to port this kind of bullshit to a land where I live, there will be hell to pay. Fuck this shit, it has no place in my world.
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Any religion that "forgives" creates a "system" for people to abuse and teaches acceptance that they are screwed up people. Mason's had the idea of making better people, but the people in this country chose the easy path and is why we have the problems we have now. If you don't like what you see in India, just know that they are already here and will eventually have influence. Interesting thing to see in the US is if you talk to a person that moved here from another country, they still refer to it as their country. Where does that put the US?
The rapist's comments in the documentary are pretty shocking... I suspect this perspective isn't unique to this one man and thus the government considers it an embarrassing reflection on the nation as a whole.
I just finished watching it (after DLing in case it disappears.) I find hints of "honor" and what I've heard about the Middle East and about Islam appearing as well.
.. [that] always needs protection." ... a diamond. It is up to you how you want to keep that diamond in your hand."
a) woman should always be accompanied by members of their family when outside (in public), and
b) need to cover themselves so that strangers won't lose control of their facilities (presumably by their penis.)
Are men so sexually animistic that they can't control themselves after seeing a boob? In this case it seems like the guys were out for an opportunistic "good time" and wanted to teach her a lesson for resisting.
Maybe the idea is that teenagers might be lacking in self-control and so you need to help them along. Completely blaming women and hiding them away does not solve the problem though. But maybe that is the exact procedure to keep the male leaders (family, town, precinct, area, state) in control.
Perp:
"A decent girl won't roam around at 9 o'clock at night."
"A girl is far more responsible for a rape than a boy."
So: It's not my fault, she made me do it to her.
Lawyers:
"A woman means I immediately put the sex in his eyes."
"A female is just like a flower
"In our society, we never allow our girls to come out from the house after 6:30 or 7:30 or 8:30 in the evening with any unknown person" "If very important, she should go outside BUT she should go with a [parental guardian]"
"The women are more precious than
"If my daughter/sister engaged in pre-marital activities, and disgraced herself and allowed herself to lose face and character by doing such things, I would most certainly take this [person] to my farmhouse, and in front of my entire family I would put petrol on her and set her alight."
So: if you let your women out at night unaccompanied, they get what you deserve. And it almost sounds like they're living with wild animals roaming the streets. Well, maybe they (and we) are. Self-control, anyone?
Seems like there's also a hook to "terrorism" and "conforming to society will protect you" here, but I just can't place my finger on it quite yet. "Be somewhat afraid of the general population because they might not be civilized like you are" comes to mind.
If the universe is someone's simulation -- does that mean the stars are just stuck pixels?
and want safe streets for themselves and their women
Surely you see the irony to referring to women as possessions while ranting about the plight of women.
When the comment basically amounts to "I'm not sorry and I'd do it again and encourage others to do likewise"...
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
I'm of Indian descent. I used to live there, and frequently visit. I speak one of the main languages. I'm well aware of their culture.
India is missing 50,000,000 girls. No typo, that's FIFTY MILLION. If you don't believe misogyny is a fundamental part of the national fabric, why don't you tell me WTF happened to these girls?
Here's another way to look at things:
Chance of being killed in Syrian Civil War: 1 in 300
Chance of dying before five years of age if you're a girl in India: 1 in 20
No opinions, those are numbers. If you doubt them, research the latest Indian census, World Bank data on child mortality, wartime data from the Human Rights Data Analysis Group, among many many others.
Is the picture becoming clearer?
To play along with your narrative then let me just say that trying to ban this documentary plays right into the hands of the people trying to put India into a negative light. The proper response would be to say that those guys were tried and convicted and that the government is attempting to fix attitudes and put an end to this type of behavior. Banning the documentary sends the message that instead of fixing the problem it's getting swept under the rug. Honestly from what I've read a lot of progress has been made and I do applaud this but trying to ban this documentary is not only futile but harmful as well.
To be fair, this kind of publicity creates hugely disproportional view of a country.
I see this all the time on local news sites in Israel. Since 2012, rape case from India get a front page mention -- and absolutely no other kind of news from India! For the past 2 years the average reader, who has no business in India and knows nothing about it, is learning a single fact about a place that holds ~16% of all people -- women are getting raped there.
Will this documentary help in the long run? who can tell (not me).
Embarrassing perhaps... in my humble opinion, this is PR pure and simple. The real question is why focus on PR instead of actually fixing the cultural issues that make rape okay in India? Rape is rape - embarrassment or not.
".. about the effectiveness of a ban in the Information Age." What questions? You can't do it. Period. No need to torrent, Google got you covered, here it is.
I say. It seems India is taking a step down the road to nothing less than media dictatorship of the entire world in what will be a futile and embarrasing attempt at hampering free speech. Could someone please step up and tell these Indian politicians grow up and own up to the problems that clearly seem to exist rather than trying to sweep em under the rug
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I was in Pune when a report of a rape of an Australian girl in New Dehli came through. Basically they dragged her into a bus and a mob raped her on the bus while they drove around the city, they threw her out at a hospital but she died from her injuries.
A week later another one happened to an American girl, a photographer who was with a guide. They beat up the guide and tied him up while 5 raped her over two days in a run down factory in Mumbai. What was pretty fucked up is that somehow the police made out that it was her fault...somehow. The police are corrupt and they have automatic weapons.
A quizzed some of my Indian colleagues and they hated the rapists and were ashamed that such a thing happened, who wouldn't? So when I walked around the city and found myself in some of the rougher parts of town I got a real idea of why. So many people, everywhere is a mass of annonimity. When I realised where I was and that I was looking a a phone to navigate I realised that I was a real target for being robbed. I put the phone away, held my head high and thought 'c'mon sisterfuckers'. I'm 200lbs and have been training a variety of martial arts for 20years plus - but I knew that some of these guys were prepared to have a go - even if they could tell some of them would be hospitalised. Being street smart in your own country is nothing compared to being street smart on Indian streets but it helps. The little people sleep in the rain and it's no place for a western woman who is a gora.
I did eventually get robbed, during Ganesha by two kids who hit me with a whip on the leg, dived for my pockets and grabbed the cash I had there - even waved it in my face - I let them go saying 'ok ok - you got me - now fuck off'. Everyone is trying to make a buck and it's not that Indian men are all rapists but I think the poor have to be master opportunists to survive and some of them are rapists.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
Are men so sexually animistic that they can't control themselves after seeing a boob?
Men from cultures which have not expected them to control themselves haven't learn to control themselves, on average. Which is why we need to bring pressure to bear upon them.
Of course, we still have rape in the west. We have the very same sentiments here, just less of them. Let's worry about our own conduct, too and not pat ourselves on the back too much for not being like them.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
It's maybe not normal, but corruption is frequent inside the West. It's just the CEO knows a friend of a friend of a politician, instead of dealing directly with the politician. So it's impossible to see the secret kickbacks amongst the honest deals.
A lot of it is right out in the open, like campaign contributions. Then people just ignore it.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
While the Government of India may be trying to ban it and the some conservative rednecks of the country hold crazy views, it seems that the majority doesn't..
It is the same Indians that are mass-protesting in response to rapes, to corruption, and want safe streets for themselves and their women: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
I believe your are mixing the majority with the vocal minority, like we do so many times about so many issues.
that the US _wasn't_ a bunch of backwards savages. See, this is a common mistake people make. Assuming because someone takes the moral high ground that they're not willing to admit their faults. As an American let me step in here to say we're just as awful, possibly worse. The stuff we did (and continue to do) to the Middle East and South America (I hear we're back to trying to destabilize Venezuela) makes this crap look like small potatoes. And don't forget our last Vice President brought back torture as a legitimate tool for information gathering.
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To be a parent you must be a "parent of someone" it is a term that requires another party. To be a woman you are not a "woman of someone" there is no other party necessary. And hence the usage of "their" is completely different, and if you didn't know that you wouldn't be able to type through the drooling over the keyboard and hence you're being deceptive on purpose. Or maybe someone made an idiotic drool proof keyboard...
Surely you see that English possessive pronouns are commonly used for indicating relationships between people such as membership in a group, with no implication that one of them is the "property" of the other.
Whoever modded your post "Insightful" could also profit from a tap on the dome with a cluebat.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
I always wanted to copyright my name, do something outrageous, and then sue all the media that runs a story on it.
I'm no lawyer, but I fail to see how that sort of case wouldn't be dismissed in summary judgment early on. The exclusive right in one's name is a trademark, not a copyright. It's an easy mistake to make, seeing as how the term "intellectual property" has caused people to confuse copyright and trademark. At least in my country, trademarks have a defense called "nominative fair use", which allows others to use a name freely in a work in ways that do not suggest endorsement of the work by the trademark's owner.
Any anthropologists around? IANaA, but my theory is that in cultures where testosterone-driven men (like us?) are not allowed to socialise nicely with girls of their own standard, and are shamed into avoiding masturbation or same-sex fun, there will be outbursts of plain primitive sexual aggression. India is hardly worst, if you consider what happens routinely in some Islamic countries.
Disgusting. Make out that the problem is the movie instead of Indian society's appalling misogyny and hatred of women.
How about fixing your society first so that women are respected as human beings?
Nearly 25% of men in 6 countries admit raping a woman. 41% in Papua New Guinea.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2013/09/daily-chart-7?fsrc=scn%2Ftw%2Fte%2Fbl%2Fed%2Ftoomuchofabadthing
http://www.itsagirlmovie.com/
India is not being criticized for having criminals - all nations have criminals.
India's politicians are being criticized for trying to censor this movie.
Seemed just like a normal, high quality BBC documentary about a society in transition.
I have to say though it doesn't paint that society in a particularly good light. I sure wouldn't take a daughter with me for a visit to that country..
You focus on PR when you're a democratic politician (note the lower case 'd', I'm not talking a political party here) and you know perfectly well that the real problem will take three generations to fix. Talking about three generation long solutions doesn't get you reelected.
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
I am having one doubt about what is Sriesand Effect. Please do the needful and revert.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
It should be said that women in India are often EXTREMELY hostile and manipulative toward men.
I see. So, "the beatings will continue until morale improves", huh? Good luck with that!
Irony: Agile development has too much intertia to be abandoned now.
It should be said that women in India are often EXTREMELY hostile and manipulative toward men.
The justification of arseholes and one-bookians with dicks the whole world over. The real reason you hate women is fear and ignorance. Fear that you won't get laid (which is true while you hold those opinions for those reasons) and ignorance as to why you won't get laid (because you refuse to learn anything).
Cue the tire cliches about how "women" only want men who are arseholes (then how come you don't get laid every hour?); they only want "providers" and push the evolutionary psychology line (and ignore a women's right to not become pregnant, which negates that theory); the pathetic truths are that you marginalized yourself with your confirmation bias, and, the caliphate/baptists are recruiting large numbers.
It is the same Indians that are mass-protesting in response to rapes,
And the same Indians who form lynch mobs, breaking the accused out of prison and dragging them down the street to their death?
http://www.smh.com.au/world/wo...
Although, that only seems to happen to racial minorities in Northern India.
Same AC who posted the above, the BBC does have a right to report those; I am talking of its focus on those topics and the tone in which these events are reported. Try reading BBC's reporting on India, you couldn’t miss the irony and sarcasm, and that is only specific to India.
And what is the point in letting this pervert voice his opinion on TV; one who had showed no remorse during the trial too. Delhi rape was a very unfortunate incident, it has made a deep imprint in collective conscience of Indian society. Bringing it up again in this manner is painful; to be very precise. If the documentary's purpose was only to show if anything has improved after this incident, it was fine. Fine that they interviewed the policemen, the lawyers and victim's family, but why should this remorseless sadomasochist put his views on TV? There is a limit up to where Press freedom should be allowed and sadly its only the Government who can stop the Press. I would generally detest the former's interference in latter's affairs but sadly sometimes its the latter that is deviant as in this case; and it does need to be reined upon (For the record, i am the OP AC).
...And you see this primarily as an image problem?
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
Perhaps someone should to point out to the Indian Gov't that Barbara Streisand was a woman. ;)
"Grammar Lesson" by Larry Niven. http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/t...
Possessive pronouns have multiple meanings, depending on the context. People have to be bright enough to figure it out, so they don't make stupid mistakes. When it's even possible to figure out. "English is hard."
Frederick Douglass did not own his former master.
I was going to follow that statement with an example that illustrates the point, but I had already done it without realizing it.
"English is hard."
There's no time like the present. Well, the past used to be.
I see your point about giving bad people a venue to air their views. As horrid as hearing that was I feel it's important for everyone to understand why things like this happen. It's this viewpoint that women are possessions (however precious) that must be changed. It's the idea that because a woman doesn't conform to some idea or standard that she is nothing and can be used, killed and tossed to the side of the road that is dangerous. A lot of times people who may think that way, when they see someone like this mouthing the same viewpoint they hold they will see how it looks and hear how it sounds. Many times it will make them think on these ideas and realize how wrong it is. Without the dialogue you can't really get results and ultimately without an open forum for expression of ideas you can't really have freedom. Ultimately I believe you can count on people watching this to be revolted just as you and I were. I looked at the peer list on the torrent for this film and I notice that over half the peers I see there are from India. I hope that this film helps to open eyes. Ultimately before a wound can heal it has to be cleaned and that process is usually very painful. So sad to see such a bright and wonderful woman snuffed out of existence. Having a daughter of my own and 4 grand daughters I hope that this kind of evil will one day be eradicated.
To whoever moderated my comment, why assume someone with the opposite opinion to you is a troll? How childish.
To whoever moderated my comment, why assume someone with the opposite opinion to you is a troll? How childish.
Agreed. It should have been moderated flamebait. What Slashdot needs is an "extremely stupid" to cover the contextually bullshit posts like yours.
There is a feminist movement? (i.e. a common agenda?)
The Feminist movement" (this one bookian fantasy you have) is "all about" equality?
The answer to all those questions - just as the answer to the question "are all men equal?" or "is equality possible?" - is no. Simple answers are for simpletons and serve only to justify the agenda of shockjocks and other scumbags.
Any time I read "they" I can be fairly certain someone is selling a confirmation bias. Jokes are funny, group think is not - and it's always bullshit whether gender, racial, or cultural. Bullshit when "representatives" tell it. i.e. "we [insert bullshit group think] believe", and bullshit when their "opposition" tell it i.e. "the whole [insert bullshit group think] is....". Don't suffer from confirmation bias? Test it then by inserting Baptist, Republican, Greenie, Marxist, Greek, Men, Skaters, etc as the group think - then try finding any three of the them, interviewed seperately, who agree on any ten points (not that you won't find more than 10 points they don't agree on)
The whole anti-feminist movement is bullshit they only want women to act [insert fantasy here] when it suits them
Apropos of little - the synonym for simple is stupid, and evolution isn't horizontal
India's Caste Culture is a Rape Culture
http://www.thedailybeast.com/w...
If I were Prime Minister of India, I'd give Licensed Pistols to all Dalits/Adivasis in India;
http://wh.gov/ijtyM
Casteism
Psychopaths do not fear prosecution/punishment;
http://www.sciencedaily.com/re...
Caste system created millions of psychopaths in India;
http://www.hrw.org/legacy/engl...
What else do you expect when Upper caste Brahmin Jyoti singh PANDEY abused/exploited Lower caste Mukesh singh YADAV for over 2000 years?
https://petitions.whitehouse.g...
Casteism
http://www.hrw.org/legacy/engl...
Casteism
"But at the same day, the news of gang-rape of a 10-year old Lower Caste Untouchable Dalit girl and who was burnt subsequently was tucked away in the inside pages devoting only five to ten lines" --Kabir, former Chief Justice of India
http://m.timesofindia.com/indi...
The family of the Delhi gang-rape Brahmin victim was given huge compensation by governments and various bodies.
But what happened to the dalit girl? Did her family get anything?
Casteism
In MUMBAI Upper Caste girl gang rape case, Muslim convict photos are published in media;
In DELHI Upper Caste girl gang rape case, Lower Caste convict photos are published in media;
But in DABRA Lower Caste Untouchable Dalit girl gang rape case, Upper Caste convict photos are NOT published in media;
http://tehelka.com/violation-i...
Casteism
When a Lower caste Untouchable Dalit girl was gang-raped by 12 Upper Caste men in DABRA, her father killed himself because Police refused to take his complaint;
But when a Upper caste Brahmin girl was gang-raped by 6 Lower caste men in DELHI, Indian Prime Minister intervened, amended the Law and set up a Special Court to prosecute/punish the culprits;
http://india.blogs.nytimes.com...
Casteism
So much hue and cry because Victim is Upper caste Brahmin girl and Culprit is Lower caste Yadav;
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...
Casteism
"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it." --Santayana
Take your Caste share of land and go build your own nation as per "Communal Award"?
India's Caste Culture is a Rape Culture;
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06...
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07...
Casteism
http://www.firstpost.com/livin...
Casteism
Free and open discourse means hearing from those you don't agree with.
Suck it up buttercup.
Subject says it all. Ignoring my point makes you one of the fools that perpetuate and amplify the problem.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Stop standing up for the weaker stupider sex.
If you meet anybody from India ask him "What Is Your Caste?";
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06...
Casteism
Stop standing up for the weaker stupider sex.
First you try and associate what I've written as being pro-"feminist", then you infere I'm a chauvanist - reality is clearly not a friend of yours. Sadly part of the price of evolution is knowing there are people like you every five metres on average. Stop being a dickhead - if you move that tiny sac to one side you might be able to see the world as it really is. No matter, if your "viewpoint" has any genetic basis it's destined to die out very soon. In the meantime keep humming that Cake song - they wrote it with you in mind.
Don't take that the wrong way Chav.
No, me chauvanist, you feminist. Read properly dimwit.