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Google 'Makes People Think They Are Smarter Than They Are'

HughPickens.com writes Karen Knapton reports at The Telegraph that according to a study at Yale University, because they have the world's knowledge at their fingertips, search engines like Google or Yahoo make people think they are smarter than they actually are giving people a 'widely inaccurate' view of their own intelligence that can lead to over-confidence when making decisions. In a series of experiments, participants who had searched for information on the internet believed they were far more knowledgeable about a subject that those who had learned by normal routes, such as reading a book or talking to a tutor. Internet users also believed their brains were sharper. "The Internet is such a powerful environment, where you can enter any question, and you basically have access to the world's knowledge at your fingertips," says lead researcher Matthew Fisher. "It becomes easier to confuse your own knowledge with this external source. When people are truly on their own, they may be wildly inaccurate about how much they know and how dependent they are on the Internet." In the tests searching for answers online leads to an illusion such that externally accessible information is conflated with knowledge "in the head" (PDF). This holds true even when controlling for time, content, and search autonomy during the task. "The Internet is an enormous benefit in countless ways, but there may be some trade-offs that aren't immediately obvious and this may be one of them," concludes Fisher. "Accurate personal knowledge is difficult to achieve, and the Internet may be making that task even harder."

227 comments

  1. Yes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because, before Google, everyone thought they were dumb.

    1. Re:Yes. by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, the tendency was to not think of one's self as the expert. That didn't make one dumb, that made one ignorant.

      Now people think that they're experts even when they cannot demonstrate mastery of the subject without having access to resources. It's the difference between an open-book test and a more traditional testing technique.

      I can't deny a certain amount of perverse pleasure from watching people with poor cell phone signal squirm because they are attempting to consult the Internet for an answer to something that's part of their responsibiltiy that clearly they cannot do on their own and aren't able to do so.

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    2. Re:Yes. by dimeglio · · Score: 2

      Well it's a competitive world and knowledge is power. In most expert forums however, I noticed that Googling an argument is often not enough to win your point. It might impress a few novice but that's about it.

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    3. Re:Yes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You completely missed his point and, per typical on Slashdot, went off on a pedantic, rhetorical rant.

    4. Re:Yes. by BreakBad · · Score: 1

      I better stop using Google so I can be a dumb as I think I am.

    5. Re:Yes. by gatkinso · · Score: 1
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    6. Re:Yes. by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      I think this is more of a situation for anyone who reads YouTube comments.

      But having access to Google information is a great help to the average joe. Back in the good old days when I was programming before google. There were things that I just wouldn't be able to code. Say accessing a piece of hardware, or trying to communicate with something else. Just because I had no reference to it... So I just couldn't do it. Post Google, I am confident in the stuff I am working on, because if I don't know how to do it. I can Google it. I usually take the extra step, and understand it before I use it blindly. Then I can get much more done very quickly.

      The problem that I see is how we define smart people. School is about Memorization and regurgitation, so the person with a good memory was considered the smarter person. However with Google, and instant lookup of information. The smart person needs to be more artistic and creative. But we really don't measure that much yet.

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    7. Re:Yes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, but he only did it after Googling his argument.

    8. Re:Yes. by ahaweb · · Score: 2

      At elite universities, it's pretty standard for all exams to be open book, because what they're testing is not something you can just copy from a book. But then again, I went to school before the internet became big.

    9. Re:Yes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you know it was a he, you insensitive member of the patriarchy!

    10. Re:Yes. by jittles · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, the tendency was to not think of one's self as the expert. That didn't make one dumb, that made one ignorant. Now people think that they're experts even when they cannot demonstrate mastery of the subject without having access to resources. It's the difference between an open-book test and a more traditional testing technique. I can't deny a certain amount of perverse pleasure from watching people with poor cell phone signal squirm because they are attempting to consult the Internet for an answer to something that's part of their responsibiltiy that clearly they cannot do on their own and aren't able to do so.

      I have about 50 computer books at home that I haven't opened in 10 years. Prior to the excellent resources we have online I depended upon those reference books for many coding functions that are under my responsibility. I can't possibly memorize every single thing that I need to know for work. Depending on what you're asking me to do, I may squirm without Google too. I know what I need to look up. I could write you psuedocode that approximates what I want to google, but I can't remember every single nuance of every little API I use. I doubt anyone can.

    11. Re:Yes. by TWX · · Score: 1

      Oh, I am well aware that one cannot do everything all of the time without references. There are lots of things that I *might* have to do at any given time that I don't have to do regularly, and I do have reference materials to call on, and not just an Internet search engine.

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    12. Re:Yes. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Open book exams are, by far, the hardest.

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    13. Re:Yes. by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      And it's true too -- a common definition of intelligence is "the capability to solve problems", and the ability to look things up on the internet greatly enhances one's ability to solve problems. Now, some people might say that access to the internet is cheating, that it is using other people's knowledge and experience -- but then, some people are whiny losers. Borrowing knowledge from the internet may be slower than retrieving memorized information, but there is so much more of it, and generally life doesn't care where you got your knowledge from.

      Of course, some people think they're some sort of genius or expert cause they looked up a thing, but then that's not unique to people who have used the internet.

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    14. Re: Yes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apparently, you never had a take home exam.

    15. Re: Yes. by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Not called an exam. Project/exam, semantics.

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    16. Re:Yes. by Phoghat · · Score: 1
      What ever happened to:

      " the mark of an intelliugent man is not if he knows the answer, but where to find it"?

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  2. smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by i.r.id10t · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Being smart and/or intelligent isn't the same as knowing a lot of facts. Google can help you keep a lot of facts at your fingertips. The smart part (or intelligent part) is being able to learn about complex things, applying things you already know to new situations, etc.

    Google may ruin a game of Trivial Pursuit (or bar trivia or whatever) but it isn't a substitute for doing a good job planning a process, designing a machine, etc.

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    1. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure you're not using Google right.

    2. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In addition to what you said knowledge of subject does not mean never having to consult a reference. Chemists used to have CRC handbook on their shelves, for a reason. Many a C programmer has an "in a nutshell" reference handy etc, or used to have before Google.

      Its one thing to know I need to use "newtons law of cooling" to solve this problem and look up the specific formula, its another if you are searching "how to determine how long it will take before items can be handled safely out of the parts oven" or something when you are an industrial engineer.

    3. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by TWX · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sometimes being smart is knowing how to access the resources needed to do obscure things that aren't one's normal responsibiltiies. That said, relying on Google to point one toward the answers is not the best approach, at least for one's career, as answers on the Internet may be wrong or due to so many askers relative to answerers, might be hard to find.

      When I was in elementary school we were taught how to use the library to find what we needed. Most people don't get the point of the lesson; it's not teaching children how to find books, it's teaching children how to find information. Lessons learned back then apply all of the time, even though it's much less common for me to look at a paper book for my information.

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    4. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by franblets · · Score: 2

      Precisely. Knowledge does not equal intelligence. Many IQ tests confuse that. All IQ tests should be nothing but puzzles - maybe puzzles with more than one answer.

    5. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by quintessencesluglord · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Adding-

      Often the web is used to supplement thing you already know, or perhaps have forgotten a step in the process. Being able to reference how to remove a set of brakes doesn't make you qualified to work in an autoshop, and as anyone who has suffered through a Chilton manual knows, the example given never matches your own circumstance. Ever.

      Further, this gets into the philosophical questions about knowledge, and what does Epistemology really mean. Reading a book about WWII isn't the same as storming the beaches of Normandy, so the nature of this knowledge is heavily abstracted. Consider this the answer to the dolts that bleat out "he plural of anecdote is not data". My personal experience means more than your abstraction.

    6. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My IRQ test is the most rigorous. It heavily penalizes people who share interrupts.

    7. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Being smart and/or intelligent isn't the same as knowing a lot of facts. Google can help you keep a lot of facts at your fingertips. The smart part (or intelligent part) is being able to learn about complex things, applying things you already know to new situations, etc.

      Not only this, but being intelligent also means knowing what facts to filter out. If you Google airplanes and see a post by someone that says contrails contain substances to turn us all into obedient brainless zombies, you should use your intelligence to decide that *maybe* you don't immediately believe it, but look for corroborating evidence from trustworthy sources before fashioning a protective anti-contrail aluminum foil hat.

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    8. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by aaron4801 · · Score: 1

      Thank you. A more accurate headline might be, "Google Makes People Think They Have Memorized a Lot More Useless Crap Than They Have." But that doesn't have nearly the same click-baitiness as the original.

    9. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      Heavily biased towards grey beards who set interrupts with jumpers at some point in their lives.

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    10. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HA!

    11. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by chipschap · · Score: 1

      The internet can bring us information but we have to develop critical judgment on our own. That takes experience. However I think for someone willing to put in the effort, having a vast array of knowledge available can be very useful and an aid in the process of developing thinking skills.

      I like it a lot more today when I can quickly look up nearly anything at all. The old days, when it took a trip to the library to consult likely out-of-date reference books, were certainly not as good.

    12. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes indeed! There's a huge gap between an expert's consulting a reference for one detail versus a novice's thinking that he or she can know everything just from a quick search.

      People need to study subjects. People need to read the news. People need to learn how to memorize important things. Doing these things won't necessarily make one smart, but one can't be very smart without the basic tools.

      Why are we hearing proposals to make voting mandatory? What we really need is to make it mandatory to be informed: knowledge of the issues and indeed motivation to vote spring from that.

      People nowadays want too much spoon-fed to them. Google too often isn't a helper but an enabler.

    13. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Exactly. I know plenty of "smart" people that are just good at reading and remembering things. One guy I know can tell you where a sentence appears on a page of a 300+ page book he read the night before, but he isn't very good at applying knowledge, e.g., he's terrible at fixing things or doing much problem solving.

      So, just because you can read, retain and regurgitate things doesn't make you intelligent, IMO. It means you're good at reading and remembering things and that's about it. The whole "book smart" analogy fits for people like that.

      To me, intelligence is the ability to not only acquire new knowledge but to apply it in practical ways, perhaps innovative or novel ways.

    14. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by ArhcAngel · · Score: 2

      Jumpers? Lazy bastards...We used wire wrap.

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    15. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Many a C programmer has an "in a nutshell" reference handy etc, or used to have before Google.

      I suddenly became an amazing programmer right around the time StackOverflow got popular...

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    16. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The smart part (or intelligent part) is being able to learn about complex things, applying things you already know to new situations, etc.

      Being able to tell when you're reading pure bullshit, even if it isn't your area of expertise is a good sing of intelligence. It takes critical thinking and logic to detect bullshit about a subject on which you are ignorant.

    17. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by T.E.D. · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Being smart and/or intelligent isn't the same as knowing a lot of facts.

      There's also a very underappreciated value to experience. You can be the smartest person in the world, and have all the world's facts at your fingertips, but if you've never experienced something personally, there's a good chance you just don't have the mental framework to begin to understand that situation. This is how you get very smart people explaining to actual (very experienced) poor people how they have no business "letting" themselves be poor, and must just be inferior humans in some way. This is how you get "mansplaining" and "whitesplaining".

      Sometimes the best thing to do, even if you are a really smart person (heck, particularly if you are a really smart person), is to STFU and listen to people who have different experiences than you. If a lot of them are saying the same thing, but it doesn't jibe with the information you have, you are almost certainly missing something.

    18. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      but look for corroborating evidence from trustworthy sources before fashioning a protective anti-contrail aluminum foil hat.

      You should have used Google. You would have learned that tin foil hats don't protect against the chemicals being dispersed via CIA-operated jets through the contrails. Dummy. You need a mask.

      The issue I have with the study is the conclusion about people who are "left on their own" thinking they are smarter. They're comparing Google use to book use, and the people who use books to learn were NOT "left on their own". Yeah, someone who is left on their own isn't as smart as someone who uses books to learn things. D'oh. Take the books away and then compare.

    19. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Er, yeah, except you are misattributing what a set of experiences means in a particular situation. Experiencing poverty doesn't give you any special insight into how to create wealth, and in fact someone who is wealthy, and especially has a viewpoint beyond poverty might have some specialized knowledge on how the poor are perpetuating their circumstances. All I know is I will probably have better luck taking Warren Buffet's advice on how to become wealth than a beggar's.

      Further, attempting to couch the notion of knowledge vs. experience in SJW terms is just obtuse. More often than not something like "mansplaining" is used to shut down dissenting voices rather than availing to a dialogue, and less denying individual experiences than reaffirming the multitude.

    20. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is the best. -- Frank Zappa

    21. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by BradMajors · · Score: 1

      > Sometimes being smart is knowing how to access the resources needed to do obscure things

      No. Being knowledgeable about a subject is being able to make use of reference sources.

    22. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It can also take intelligence to track down the things you need from google quickly, and this is IMPORTANT in this day.

      I presented a workaround to a SW bug at work (I'm not a developer) - and people were astonished I figured out a solution so quickly.

      Basically was 3 or 4 google queries using the results or inferred results of the previous queries. Being able to do that is NOT insignificant anymore.

    23. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suddenly became an amazing programmer right around the time StackOverflow got popular...

      Stackoverflow is a mixture of good information and shitty half-right or outright wrong information. You need to be able to sift through the information you find in any internet resource, and that process of sifting is often very educational in itself. Sifting, evaluating, mentally cataloging information from the web is a whole skill in itself.

    24. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      NO, being knowledgeable is about knowing how and why and not just what. People are just quickly referencing what without bothering with how and why. So a whole bunch of whats can appear to provide a conclusive answer but without the hows and whys, you can no assemble the right whats together to draw accurate conclusions. So google can provide answers but people must do more work in order to gain understanding.

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    25. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being smart and/or intelligent isn't the same as knowing a lot of facts.

      Try telling that to a bunch of quiz bowlers.

    26. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      The reason we're hearing about making voting mandatory (almost exclusively from the Left), is that the poor and the minorities have tended to vote overwhelmingly for the Left... when they bother to vote, that is, which is relatively seldom compared to the rest of the population.

      Making voting mandatory would pull in those votes from the poor and minorities.

      Note that around the last election, there was also a lot of pushback from the Left against laws that require voters to supply identification in ordeer to vote... even though most states have required such for at least 80 years. And the reason is exactly the same.

      Every state I've ever lived in requires some form of identification, in order to verify THAT you have voted... but every one of them also took great pains to make sure nobody knew HOW you voted.

    27. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      No, being smart is contradicting people on the internet, telling them they are wrong then putting forth your own wrong statement in their place.

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    28. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by TCiecka · · Score: 1

      This should really be modded up.

      Sometimes the best thing to do, even if you are a really smart person (heck, particularly if you are a really smart person), is to STFU and listen to people who have different experiences than you. If a lot of them are saying the same thing, but it doesn't jibe with the information you have, you are almost certainly missing something.

      The most appropriate answer to a problem is sometimes the result of listening to both your teammates/staff and even the customer. It's difficult to keep your pride from interfering and causing you ignore people who you feel know less about the subject matter or have little experience.

    29. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh. Where did you read that?

      (captcha: contempt)

    30. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I still have a CRC handbook on my shelf, you insensitive clod! ...I haven't opened it in 40 years, but I still have it.

      Also, I misread part of your comment as "Newton's law of cooking" ... not that it made any difference! :D

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    31. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by Reziac · · Score: 1

      When I was a kid and IQ tests were part of the routine, they DID consist mainly of puzzles. My favorite part was folding up the virtual boxes, which of course was a visualization-logic puzzle.

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    32. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      Sure. It works both ways though.
      You can ask a question that you want to know the answer to from someone you think is more of an expert than you: "Why do women wear burkas?"
      Response "You are a sexist, racist and religiously and culturally intolerant."
      The true reason is that they wear burkas to signify their humbleness before god.
      Or you can state the facts as you see them and get ignored: "Skoda Technical's flowchart shows that we had to replace the computer FIRST, then if that didn't work, replace the fusebox. That's why we're charging you $2000 for the job."
      That was after I explained very carefully that wiggling the fuses fixed the problem temporarily.
      In the first instance, the expert assumed that I'm a religious intolerant for asking the question, sexist as we're talking about women, naive as it's culturally different and racist because women who wear burkas are from the middle east.
      The second instance is where some intelligent German drew a yes/no flowchart which was technically correct, passed it onto the Skoda arm which was followed by their technical services to solve a problem.
      Ask any old school mechanic and they would of checked the fusebox first, fixed the problem. Here we have a situation where efficiency in solving a problem is via a flowchart and not common sense.
      So although intelligence is great, you also need perception and experience. The are too many dull eyes out there.

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    33. Re:smart/intelligent != knowing a lot of facts by volmtech · · Score: 1

      Ah, but watching a video of someone replacing the brakes on a 74 Maverick would be much better than pulling off both back brakes and then not being able to figure out how to get the parking brake mechanism back together.

  3. Let Me Google That For You by Shakrai · · Score: 2
    Human Intelligence

    "I'm armed with Google and have a Masters Degree in speed reading." <--- Every internet know it all

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  4. How is this news? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How is this news? Do Yalies suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect?

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    1. Re:How is this news? by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 4, Funny

      How is this news? Do Yalies suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect?

      I had to Google 'Yalies'.
      Now I'm smarter.

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    2. Re:How is this news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That brings on another point. Does the person Google the same information every time, or do they actually retain it? If the information is applied and retained, how is that any different than reading multiple books and applying what you learned?

    3. Re:How is this news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this news? Do Yalies suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect?

      I had to Google 'Yalies'.
      Now I'm smarter.

      The answer is no, provided the Yailies in question are not spreading lemon juice on their faces believing it makes them invisible to cameras and proceeding to rob banks while their eyes are burning..

    4. Re:How is this news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, I'll bet Yale used Google in their research.

    5. Re:How is this news? by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      I googled Dunning-Kruger effect and now I'm dumber.

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  5. I'm not so sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    http://tinyurl.com/nxxqv6w

  6. Yep by jythie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The internet, where anyone is 5 minutes of research away from being an expert, usually by managing to confirm whatever 'common sense' belief they had going in.

    Granted, offline you also have people who take old misconceptions or simplifications, and will fight tooth and nail against anyone about them, even actual experts, but the internet seems to have really amplified the process. It probably does not help that over the last few decades we have REALLY devalued actual expertise on topics. The people most likely to get their ideas repeated are pop versions of their field, people who can create accessible and pandering content rather than dry but actually correct publications.

    1. Re:Yep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The internet is just a terrible source for up-to-date information. For a start, in a search it's rather hard to weed out what is "current best-practice". Google search doesn't even have knowledge of date, and even if it did it doesn't have content knowledge of date. I can publish the world view of 1960 in a document and it looks like it happened today as far as Google is concerned. Worse, the ranking is based on links. Linkage isn't knowledge driven, it's interest driven. It might not be driven by anything but idle curiosity but Google treats a link as a confirmation. If I make a website and link every inaccurate article in the world I will artificially increase the ranking on those articles - I will somehow assert them "accurate" or at least acknowledge them even though my intention was to call them out as bad examples.

      When we conflate "visibility" with "accuracy" we end up with aspects of pop culture. No publicity is bad publicity, but I'd hardly point to the behavior of the Kardashians or Miley Cyrus as being shining models of how to model oneself. The loudest voice isn't necessarily the correct one.

      But then, what's "right" if not the opinion that most people hold? "Most accepted" is a form of "right". If you spew that out to someone else it statistically has the highest chance of reaching agreement. There's no such thing as absolute truth.

    2. Re:Yep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The internet is just a terrible source for up-to-date information.

      The Internet is a data repository of all sorts of stuffs. The important thing is knowing how to search it, cross-reference information (including from other media, or directly with other people who may be trusted at least in part for this), and reflect by yourself on what you are finding.

      You can find very pertinent pieces of information, including from "respected publications", including very recent data and ideas, or at least pointers to them.

      You are overgeneralizing very badly.

      Google search doesn't even have knowledge of date, and even if it did it doesn't have content knowledge of date.

      Search tools => Any time => Past month, or any range you like...

      It is mostly indexing time, but Google does know about metadata from some frameworks and file formats, and considering how much Google already indexed, and how fast it can index new pages with a minimum of SEOs, even indexing time can be very useful.

      If I make a website and link every inaccurate article in the world I will artificially increase the ranking on those articles - I will somehow assert them "accurate" or at least acknowledge them even though my intention was to call them out as bad examples.

      No, because Google will see your website is very new, not linked to by anyone else (and particularly, not anyone else important), and that you have far too many links, with far too little content pertinent to the websites you are linking to around these links, and on the rest of your website. This is precisely what made Google so popular when it started, compared to the previous generation of search engines.

      Plus you could be identified or reported as trying to abuse ranking, and simply banned from the index. It can still take a bit of time though.

    3. Re:Yep by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      The internet is just a terrible source for up-to-date information.

      Wait, what?!?

      What better source do you know? Do you know how we used to find up-to-date information before the Internet? We didn't, we relied on months old printed articles or years old books.

    4. Re:Yep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google something, click "Search Tools" and then pick a date.

      I didn't even need to google that. But then again, you're an expert on this subject, right?

  7. The less you can remember, the easier learning is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, in fact, you are smarter when you can use the Internet as a reference.

  8. LOL ... by gstoddart · · Score: 0

    In a series of experiments, participants who had searched for information on the internet believed they were far more knowledgeable about a subject that those who had learned by normal routes, such as reading a book or talking to a tutor

    Holy crap. someone should get Captain Obvious up here on the double to point out that water is wet.

    Reading a web page doesn't make you an expert.

    I'm pretty sure this is common knowledge, but I guess common knowledge is purely anecdotal until someone does a study and confirms it. Which, is it'self common knowledge. :-P

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    1. Re:LOL ... by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How is reading a book, and reading the same information on a webpage different. I'm curious how the location of the material makes a difference.

      I gain a great deal of information from the internet, much more that I had access to when I was in college, 35 years ago. The question isn't the information, it is the ability to process it, so that when the resource is not available, you can still recall it, in a useful manner.

      IMHO there is a continuous path between acquiring knowledge, to understanding, to mastery, to wisdom. Not everyone gets past Knowledge.

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    2. Re:LOL ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reading a web page doesn't make you an expert. I'm pretty sure this is common knowledge,

      What you conclude in your post is, in fact, the exact opposite of what the study shows: that people BELIEVE they are smarter - i.e., more of an expert - based on having "read a web page." This tells us that it is NOT, in fact "common knowledge," and is, in fact, quite uncommon.

      But thanks for underscoring the study's findings: you read something on Slashdot, and assumed you were an expert. Turns out... not so much.

    3. Re:LOL ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Welcome to the fascinating world of research.

    4. Re:LOL ... by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In my anecdotal experience, I have seen a couple of places where the conversation goes something like ...

      A: Do you know what you're doing?
      B: Sure, I googled it last night, no problem
      Crash

      It seems that, more than reading a book or any other way, people overestimate how much they know after googling.

      I don't think it's the material, I think it's the medium, and people just more superficially skim stuff on the internet.

      I'm not saying you can't learn things from the internet. But for the lazy among us it's too easy to think you learned more than you did.

      I suspect many of us have witnessed that, and in many cases done it ourselves.

      Hell, I've even seen TV commercials by companies which basically say "just because you read a web page, doesn't mean you can replace a professional". Which means SOMEONE else is clearly aware of this. So it's not like this isn't something which has been observed for some time.

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    5. Re:LOL ... by cavreader · · Score: 1

      Google is just a tool for accessing all the information someone has taken the trouble to put online. However the information put online is often riddled with inaccuracies, full of contradictory sources, and usually only helpful if you already posses a personal knowledge base that enables you to tell useful information from the 100% unadulterated bullshit.

    6. Re:LOL ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In a series of experiments, participants who had searched for information on the internet believed they were far more knowledgeable about a subject that those who had learned by normal routes, such as reading a book or talking to a tutor

      Holy crap. someone should get Captain Obvious up here on the double to point out that water is wet.

      Reading a web page doesn't make you an expert.

      I'm pretty sure this is common knowledge, but I guess common knowledge is purely anecdotal until someone does a study and confirms it. Which, is it'self common knowledge. :-P

      Any claim, regardless of it's source is equally suspect. The underlying truth is that having access to the sum total of human knowledge does not make you smarter or more informed if you are not able to think critically when using said information. I also would add that many who consider themselves "smarter than average", and have a huge ego investment in that assertion, are the people who are most suspect to the dunning krueger effect, that is those who believe they are in the top 5 percent of IQ's of humans and never question that belief or test the assumption. This is a patent example of ignorance being curable with education and the fact that stupid is incurable. It all comes down to one's vigilance when away from the internet.

    7. Re:LOL ... by Altrag · · Score: 1

      The big difference is that people treat Google like a training manual when its more of a reference manual.

      That is, Google is great for looking up something specific. If you need to know how to write a Quicksort algorithm, Google that shit and you'll have it in moments.

      If you need to know whether a Quicksort algorithm is applicable in your application, Google will maybe help, occasionally not tell you anything, and very very often send you on a wild goose chase following threads of people who had similar problems but not quite similar enough to answer your question.

      Google gives you facts and a shitload of (usually uniformed) opinion. It rarely gives you the wisdom to use those facts appropriately, and that's where a lot of people get mistaken with regards to how much they "know."

      Wikipedia is a similar thing. Everyone always tells me not to trust Wikipedia but nobody really clarifies that. If I want to look up something completely non-controversial like how Quicksort works, Wikipedia is great. If I want to look up something horribly controversial like a political candidate, I can pretty much guarantee that it will be at least somewhat lopsided in one direction or the other depending on whether the candidate's staff or opposition happened to make the most recent edit.

      Like Google, its great for facts.. decent for opinion. Absolutely useless for wisdom (in this case the wisdom to differential uncontestable facts from politicized garbage.)

      Really, our modern definition of "intelligence" needs to somewhat revolve around the ability to distinguish fact from bullshit, as there's so much of both floating around that knowing "stuff" isn't the biggest problem anymore -- its knowing which stuff is real and which is just trolling that really differentiates people in the internet age.

    8. Re:LOL ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "just because you read a web page, doesn't mean you can replace a professional"

      You mostly see this from companies trying to hang onto their business niche. It's basically an issue of superficially limited access to the knowledge required to do some fairly straightforward task, like selling your house.

      Nobody is special, it's easy to do most things when as long as they can be accomplished via straightforward instructions and don't require something like muscle training or split second decision making. There are a huge breadth of activities where experience can be replaced with simple googling.

  9. Fallacy by JMJimmy · · Score: 2

    Define "smarter". Natural intelligence + easily accessible and disposable facts does not make one more or less intelligent. The problem is the old school definition of intelligence was tested through the ability to recount facts. It was not a reliable indicator of the level of intelligence of an individual. Whether gathered from a book or a search, facts are not always useful without the ability to understand, interpret, and deduce what is not represented by the facts.

    1. Re:Fallacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well said. I also find the implication that facts learned from a book are somehow objectively superior to facts read online.

    2. Re:Fallacy by pr0fessor · · Score: 2

      I think the intended take away was that people who rely on the internet as an external source of information over estimate their own knowledge even when that resource is unavailable to them regardless of how intelligent they are.

    3. Re:Fallacy by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2

      Precisely. Who is smarter: someone who tries to keep a whole domain of knowledge in their head just in case they need part of it, or someone who knows where to find the information in ANY domain and critically analyse it for accuracy?

      It seems to me that the study missed the mark: what they SHOULD have been studying was whether Google increases or decreases people's ability to think critically about a subject. It's possible that people put the blind faith in Google that they used to put in academic journals or newspapers. However, people have always done this for the most part.

      I'd say that someone has the right to consider themselves smarter if they know how to find accurate information on the Internet vs. someone who doesn't -- because increasingly, everyone has access to all kinds of information on the internet and depends on it for day-to-day life.

    4. Re:Fallacy by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      Do Not Believe Everything You Read On The Internet - Abraham Lincoln

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    5. Re:Fallacy by JMJimmy · · Score: 1

      I think the intended take away was that people who rely on the internet as an external source of information over estimate their own knowledge even when that resource is unavailable to them regardless of how intelligent they are.

      That's a completely different set of skills though. That relates to the individuals ability to retain information and regurgitate it. I had comprehensive testing done on myself and in most natural intelligence areas I was 97th/98th percentile but I can't read a paragraph from a book and regurgitate the information immediately. Take that identical test and make it a picture in a book instead of words and I can tell you almost every detail.

      Modern understanding of intelligence, various difference in auditory and visual processing and recall are far more nuanced than this study would suggest. The controls on the individuals taking the test are non-existent. It's junk science based on outdated concepts imo.

    6. Re:Fallacy by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      I have a brother that likes to pose convincing, plausible, yet false ideas to otherwise bright people and particularly likes to pick on Mensa members and most of the time he is able to convince them he is correct. I'm not saying that their science is good just what I thought they were proposing.

    7. Re:Fallacy by David_Hart · · Score: 1

      I have a brother that likes to pose convincing, plausible, yet false ideas to otherwise bright people and particularly likes to pick on Mensa members and most of the time he is able to convince them he is correct. I'm not saying that their science is good just what I thought they were proposing.

      Most Mensa members are just like everyone else, the only difference is that they can solve puzzles a bit better. It doesn't make then any less susceptible to being conned by a good story.

    8. Re:Fallacy by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      You are right but he likes to pick on the ones that think they are smarter than everyone else he finds it amusing. Poorly written inaccurate or incomplete wikipedia articles are another source of amusement for him.

    9. Re:Fallacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is the old school definition of intelligence was tested through the ability to recount facts.

      Did you read that on the internet?

  10. 'widely inaccurate' ? by timelorde · · Score: 1

    I would think that 'wildly inaccurate' describes it better.

    1. Re:'widely inaccurate' ? by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

      Maybe that was written by somebody who uses Google.

  11. makes arguing on the internet more insteresting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It also makes arguing on the internet more interesting. Even if you are wrong you can find some source on the internet to back it up.

    [citation needed]

  12. So what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It isn't about how smart you are it is about what you can accomplish.

  13. Not so new by pushing-robot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Before the Internet, we said the same things about people who relied on books for knowledge.

    Also, xkcd.

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    1. Re:Not so new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Before the Internet, we said the same things about people who relied on books for knowledge.

      Still do, such as thinking the Bible is the only reliable source for morals.

  14. what? by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

    How is it not your own knowledge after you've internalized it? Just because you searched for it on google or some other search engine as opposed to a book doesn't make it somehow not information you've retained. This is the stupidest thing I've heard in a long time.

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    1. Re:what? by blackomegax · · Score: 2

      The issue is, with 24/7 access, your brain opts not to internalize the information, but only the pointer TO the information.

    2. Re:what? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Which is the smart thing to do -- offload data storage to some external less mutable source that's available 24/7. Sure -- the source content could change/vanish -- but at least there are checksums and validation methods available. Inside your brain? Not so much. I don't really see this as an issue, more of a feature. Save your brain for managing the pointers and handling the data that's actually important to everyday life.

    3. Re:what? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's not unique to Google. Before Google, I'd look up stuff in reference manuals. If I didn't use it regularly, I'd forget it, but I knew where the books were. Google is just a more convenient version of that.

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    4. Re:what? by bkr1_2k · · Score: 1

      Really? You never keep any data you read in your brain? If that's true there are bigger issues at stake. I don't have 24/7 access to google and wouldn't want it, so maybe I'm the anomaly. I just don't see this "study" as worth the time it took to perform. Even if it is accurate, who the hell cares?

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    5. Re:what? by KeithJM · · Score: 2

      But at least the reference manual was a reliable source. You may or may not internalize the information, but the information was probably correct. The "experts" you are relying on from the internet might not be anything more than someone who is passing on information that someone else posted on the internet, or just making things up themselves. When you take information from someone who is an authority and has actually applied that information and verified it for themselves, you're better off than just assuming you must know everything because you read something that some guy posted on the internet.

    6. Re:what? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      So far, the tech stuff that I used to use reference manuals for, has been reliable, though I suppose I could get into trouble if I happened on the wrong site.

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    7. Re:what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Exactly, and that's always been a problem. When the Roman library (Library of Alexandria - yes I Google'd the name of it) burned they took a huge hit because no one had all of that information in their head, but it was available when needed.

      How is Google, Yahoo, etc. any different?

    8. Re:what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So use reliable internet sources?

      Of course that requires intelligent thought. So maybe, just maybe it would be more reasonable to just say "Google emboldens stupid people."

    9. Re:what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > When the Roman library (Library of Alexandria - yes I Google'd the name of it) burned they took a huge hit

      You Googled it, but failed to note that it was Egyptian, not Roman?

    10. Re:what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is the smart thing to do -- offload data storage to some external less mutable source that's available 24/7. Sure -- the source content could change/vanish -- but at least there are checksums and validation methods available. Inside your brain? Not so much. I don't really see this as an issue, more of a feature. Save your brain for managing the pointers and handling the data that's actually important to everyday life.

      This is exactly how I view this issue as well. Even thought I sometimes have issues during interviews because of this, I find my head of pointers an advantage rather than hindrance. I suppose it is more of a caching system that has an increased familiarity of the subject as frequency of use increases. It is much easier to deal with a problem when you know what you do not know. When I do not know what I do not know on the other hand, solution takes a much longer time to come up with.

      In other words I know almost nothing about almost everything right off the top of my head. Familiarity with more or less frequent or daily tasks is much greater however. Unfortunately some things can not be unlearned, unfelt or unseen. Pointer! Delete! Delete! Delete! Damit :(

  15. Learning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So... if I go to a Library and spend a few days reading and cross referencing things I'm a studious person

    But if I use the internet to do the same thing I'm a delusional moron

    OK

  16. No, people have always been like that by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    People always think they're smarter than they other... other people that is... I'm infallible.

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    1. Re:No, people have always been like that by Drethon · · Score: 2

      Which results in "The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.". If you are absolutely certain about anything, it is time to figure out why you are so certain.

    2. Re:No, people have always been like that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had dinner with Descartes' Demon and all I got was a headache

    3. Re:No, people have always been like that by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      Better deal than you'd have got dining with Sartre's Demon....

    4. Re:No, people have always been like that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot has likely never had a better example of someone thinking they knew vastly more than they actually did than you. Too bad you don't know enough to realize that.

    5. Re:No, people have always been like that by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      I'd like to introduce everyone to my shadow. This AC has been following me around for weeks at this point. Every thread I post in, he can be relied to make some dumb comments. At one point I thought it could be a couple different people. But its just the same guy. :D

      And he thinks he's belittling me even though he's going out of his way to find any thread I'm posting in... it is sort of adorable in that tiny dog that yaps in an adorable way... but then won't shut up sort of way.

      Anywho, don't mind him. It is just what he does.

      On a related note, can anyone give me a good reason for why ACs exist at all on this forum? I mean, why? We're not using our real names anyway. Why let people make anonymous comments? Its like three layers of anonymity and if one layer brings out the stupid asshole, you can see what three layers does. :D

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    6. Re:No, people have always been like that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not building a good case for yourself there, sport. Writing that message will just encourage other people to read your other comments and realize what a bumbling idiot you are. If you can't handle having an AC point out that your argument holds no water, you should probably pick up a new hobby. If you weren't so new here you would already know the answer to every single question you just asked.

      Outing yourself as paranoid and delusional doesn't help your cause, either.

    7. Re:No, people have always been like that by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      I'm very happy for them to read my past posts. I occasionally make mistakes, but I admit it when I do... and... meh.. go for it. I think I make a lot of good points and there are a lot of posts I'm quite proud of really.

      I like that you just admitted I was right that you're stalking me though. :D

      You're so stupid. If I were you, I'd take on different personas so as to imply that I was multiple people and not just the same pathetic douche bag.

      But you're not that smart... so oh wells.

      I am sort of impressed by how aspergers furious you are with me though. Most trolls lose interest after a day or so. But you've been trolling me for a solid two weeks or so. That's rare and I'm not doing anything differently... so that's you.

      Since you're not going to go away, I might as well get to know you. tell me something about yourself. If you're going to have a shitty neighbor, you should at least invite him over for BBQ a couple times to see if under his bullshit he's a relatable human being... right?

      *hands AC a cold beer*

      So, talk to me. Tell me your story.

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    8. Re:No, people have always been like that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are so certain that only one AC is pointing out your repeated failures, and you are so certain that you know who they are, then why do you need to ask any questions of them at all? Go on, tell us who you think it is. Considering how often you are dead wrong on everything else you post here, your answer will almost certainly be amusing.

    9. Re:No, people have always been like that by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      Why do I test something if I'm so certain? Well, you have that backwards. I am certain BECAUSE I test.

      If I didn't test, then I couldn't legitimately be certain could I?

      SCIENCE! :D

      As to me being dead wrong, you still have yet to tell me anything I was actually wrong about. You made some very vague comments in the past, but as you'll remember, I challenged you every time to be specific and you were evasive for about a week. At which point I realized that you were never going to actually back your bullshit up and gave up.

      And yet you're still presuming to judge anything. I mean, you have to know what a falsifiable argument is because I've explained it to you a few times.

      I'll do it again, because you're stupid. A falsifiable argument is an argument that is CAPABLE of being wrong. All logical arguments have to be falsifiable or they're tautology or circular logic. You were going on and on about how "you don't know what this thing means" but you've never defined what that thing means or why anything I said didn't back that up.

      And when I stopped responding to you in that thread... you followed me all over the board to harass me with your bullshit.

      I've got nothing to hide from you, chump. You're just debasing yourself by doing this... I doubt anyone else is watching this, but if they were, I really doubt I'd come out looking worse than you.

      Just saying... your e-stalking... its sad.

      You should get e-help with that. :D

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    10. Re:No, people have always been like that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like to introduce everyone to my shadow. This AC has been following me around for weeks at this point. Every thread I post in, he can be relied to make some dumb comments. At one point I thought it could be a couple different people. But its just the same guy. :D

      And he thinks he's belittling me even though he's going out of his way to find any thread I'm posting in... it is sort of adorable in that tiny dog that yaps in an adorable way... but then won't shut up sort of way.

      Anywho, don't mind him. It is just what he does.

      On a related note, can anyone give me a good reason for why ACs exist at all on this forum? I mean, why? We're not using our real names anyway. Why let people make anonymous comments? Its like three layers of anonymity and if one layer brings out the stupid asshole, you can see what three layers does. :D

      AC's exist because the holding company that runs Slashdot believes that Slashdot is worth more money with them than without. One reason they believe this
      so that people who do not want to bother with an account can comment. People such as myself, who volunteer our time to answer questions like this one you just asked. That said...

      What makes you think it's the same guy? I'm not the GP for example. Do you know because log in with another account and post it yourself to self troll and feel important? That's messed up if so. I don't tend to read poster's names, but when someone is particularly good (or bad) I tend to check. I notice you and generally have you in the latter category. Unnecessary use of profanity and ad hominem attacks and other rhetoric fails aren't rare for you.

    11. Re:No, people have always been like that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so you don't know what you're talking about, or who you're talking to. you're just angry because you've been proven wrong.

      ok, carry on. imagine what you could accomplish if you took the time you spent on being angry and put it into something constructive, like looking for work. well, actually you probably wouldn't accomplish much by doing that since you don't seem qualified to do much of anything. but a normal person who has at least finished high school could at least get a minimum wage job, save up some money, and aspire to move out of their parents' basement.

      just sayin' ...

    12. Re:No, people have always been like that by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      I am pretty sure you're a different person because your sentence structure is different.

      I could be wrong. You could be taking a cue from a previous post where I teased the guy for making it so obvious. But you sound different.

      You're also being more polite and rational. The other guy basically just opens with an insult, makes no effort to make any sense, and then will just lie about stuff.

      Also, your comment about ACs being more profitable is questionable. I was going to say it was tautology in that you're saying something is a certain way because it is that way. But actually I found a flaw in it... The most profitable sites on the internet do not have anonymous logins. So why would you think that this is an asset? I mean, what evidence of it? Facebook, reddit, disqus, Google anything... they all have logins and they're all way more successful then slashdot.

      So that's another reason I think you're a different guy. You just made a falsifiable argument. That's a compliment by the way. That means your argument was rational even if I think it is wrong. It had the possibility at least of being right which is more than I can say for my shadow. You made an argument that was capable of being wrong. The other guy doesn't do that. He says stuff that you can't really argue against because it is too vague to really say anything about it one way or the other.

      I literally dared him for a full week to just tell me what I did wrong in one post specifically. He outright refused until I gave up... after a week of trying. I mean, give me some credit for sticking with him that long. I eventually left the thread and he's been following me all over slashdot like bad gas ever since. :D

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    13. Re:No, people have always been like that by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      It is funny, I'm having another conversation with a different AC in this thread, and your nonsense is proving me right again. I should link him to your post so he can see what I'm talking about.

      Thanks :)

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    14. Re:No, people have always been like that by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      Here is an example of the crap he sends me:

      http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

      Most recent post as of now. Imagine getting nothing but that for weeks.

      I try telling jokes. I try to start up an intelligent conversation. I try just flaming him. Nothing works. He's like forum cancer. :P

      He follows me from thread to thread and just spews bullshit at me. So yeah, he's kind of distinctive. :)

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    15. Re:No, people have always been like that by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      I think I make a lot of good points and there are a lot of posts I'm quite proud of really.

      Honestly? I have yet to see a good one. Might be Dunning-Kruger in action here.

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    16. Re:No, people have always been like that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      does your ego make it difficult to get through doorways and up stairs? i haven't known anyone to try to use that to qualify for disability but you could make a case for it. you couldn't likely make a case for anything else (hell you'd have a hard time arguing for gravity with your writing) - based on what you have written - but you do clearly have a disabling sense of self-worth. you could be the poster boy for a new form of affluenza for drop-outs who live in their parents' basement.

    17. Re:No, people have always been like that by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      What was the last bad point you saw me make... I could have a better idea as to the legitimacy of your point if you did that. :)

      I make mistakes like everyone else. But on average I think I do quite well.

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    18. Re:No, people have always been like that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have an account to be able to sort better while reading, but I post AC because most of the time the mods are on crack.

    19. Re:No, people have always been like that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, your comment about ACs being more profitable is questionable. I was going to say it was tautology in that you're saying something is a certain way because it is that way. But actually I found a flaw in it... The most profitable sites on the internet do not have anonymous logins. So why would you think that this is an asset?

      That's a strawman, my response was:

      AC's exist because the holding company that runs Slashdot believes that Slashdot is worth more money with them than without

      You can question Slashdot/Dice/lunatics who think beta is a good thing and why they hold that position, it's not mine.

      As for where you are wrong, here's a random example. I just hit your comment history, scrolled down a bit and picked one at random:
      http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7195617&cid=49395503

      Really? you think the government is efficient? In what way is the government ever efficient when compared to private enterprise.

      Name anything the government does that the private sector does and we'll go through the cost figures.

      The government literally is always less efficient. Without exception.

      The only way it ever is made to APPEAR more efficient is when they cook the books by not counting payroll for a given department or pensions or whatever. So sure, if you exclude a lot of costs that the tax payers pay for a given thing, at some point it will be cheaper if you exclude enough of them. However, you can't exclude any of them because the people pay for it all regardless.

      That's two different strawmen you are using there. That government is ALWAYS less efficient and the second is the implication that government (vs private enterprise) is the only offloading negatives as externalities. Coal power, for example, has huge negative externalities which is why it appears cheaper than solar, nuclear, etc.

      Let's unpack your first point though, that government is ALWAYS less efficient. That's a huge weasel word, because you didn't say what they are less efficient than. Of course anything handled by humans is less efficient than the optimally efficient solution. A reasonable assumption is that you imply government is less efficient than private enterprise. This of course assumes that a "private" company doesn't need to handle national border security, interstate highway construction, etc. The "free" enterprise is a free rider on all of that stuff for every year there is a budget deficit. They've just pushed the cost of those requirements off as an externality for themselves.

    20. Re:No, people have always been like that by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      As to your claim of strawman, I'll grant that you're saying that THEY think is more profitable and not YOU. However, that still leaves us with the assertion that it is more profitable. I also question whether dice actually thinks that. I think they just don't care or haven't thought about it very much. Everyone can see that dice hasn't really handled their involvement in the community very well.

      In regards to the comment you have quoted, excellent. Lets do this. :)

      In regards to environmental externalizes, I'd prefer to avoid that tangent for the sake of argument because it is too complicated. Please do not use that reference because it forces me to get into that issue in depth and really it could be pages and pages from that alone.

      As to the government always being less efficient, they are though... anything a company can do is done better by a company instead of the government. There are a few things that companies really can't do. One is fight wars. Another is run a legal system. Another is run a legislature. That kind of stuff.

      But often people will say that companies can't build or maintain roads or they can't run a power distribution and generation system. And they can do that and without exception they're always more efficient at it. Yes, there can be incidents of fraud. But it is apples and oranges to compare a company stealing from consumers to a government body that is not corrupt and doing its best to provide a good service. If you want to compare the two, then we can compare a company stealing to a government stealing... and even there you'll find the companies tend to be less greedy about it.

      In regards to your statement that you can't say a company is more efficient at anything unless they do everything the goverment does, that isn't reasonable. Under this logic, a large corporation that does many things would always be more efficient than a small sandwich shop that happens to be better at making sandwiches than the big corporation. But by your logic, they can't be said to be more efficient because they don't do as many things as the big corporation.

      Logically, you have to isolate given tasks, products, and services and evaluate each on a point by point basis.

      By this logic you're using here, you can't say the government is less efficient than a corporation unless the corporation is able to fight wars. So if the government is incredibly inefficient... just burning resources and utterly incompetent in most tasks, your logic would say they're not inefficient because they can do things that a vastly better run organization can't do.

      The logic is poor.

      Your move. :)

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    21. Re:No, people have always been like that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In regards to environmental externalizes, I'd prefer to avoid that tangent for the sake of argument because it is too complicated. [snip] Logically, you have to isolate given tasks, products, and services and evaluate each on a point by point basis.

      Aside from friction, I can make a perpetual motion water wheel. If you are allowing negative externalities to be dumped by a company onto a government, then of course the company wins.

      There are a few things that companies really can't do. One is fight wars. Another is run a legal system. Another is run a legislature. That kind of stuff.

      Except companies already do all of those things. Blackwater/Xe/WhateverTheyAreCalledToday, Haliburton, fight wars. Companies have private police forces in the US, much less the crazy shit that goes on in Nigeria/Columbia. Half the prison system in the US is run by private companies and the legal case law is required to be cited in privately copyrighted forms (Westlaw/LexNex/etc). Hell even the US National Electric Code is privately written and then incorporated into law by reference. As for running a legislature, every company in existence has its own board, elections and even proxy votes.

      We've all heard about every alleged boondoggle from the federal government. They've got a a bit under $4T as a budget. Comcast has about $0.06T. Comcast has plenty of things that would be posted to fuckedcompany.com if it were still a thing - and couldn't trace their employee's IP. Try to thing about the shit you would hear if Comcast seventy times the size it currently is and government wasn't even nominally opposed to it.

      You have what I hope is a cynical self interest in promoting a corporate apologist's viewpoint. That or you are delusional on the nature of reality and how things are connected. You've thrown a few other strawmen up in your last non-sequitur, so I won't shred the rest of your argument, I'll just point out that a poorly functioning nominally representative government can be incredibly inefficient and still be better than a pullman town. That's also a "pro" argument for mass transit systems, for that matter, for my own non-sequitor.

      No need to respond, I'll ignite another of your strawmen another day I'm sure and we can pick up there.

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    22. Re:No, people have always been like that by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      In regards to negative externalizes, they cannot be quantified accurately unless you're willing to go into depth well beyond YOUR patience.

      I am incredibly patient and I could write literally hundreds of pages on this issue and follow all the tangents to their logical conclusions. But you would drop off long before that would happen and I would feel dishonored by that action.

      Given that you will inevitably do that... do not annoy me by citing things you lack the stamina to discuss in detail.

      I do not say this as an insult but as a prophecy seen through experience with previous participants over many years. I have no interest in going into matters that you will only reference vaguely and then refuse to elaborate upon.

      As to mercenary companies fighting wars, don't be absurd. A mercenary company has not stood against a credible national military and withstood it in centuries. I suspect there were some in the 14th century that were credible but that was owed more to the incompetence of the local national mlitaries than it was to the competence of the mercenaries. The Italian city states as I remember made heavy use of such mercenary bands as they were seen more cost effective than state military forces that had to be paid even in peace time.

      So far as I remember, the whole thing was a long education in the weaknesses and fallicies of relying on such forces. For one thing, they're not prepared to die which means they retreat and route much more easily. For another, they don't attack heavily defended positions because the casualities will be too high. For another, they have no incentive to actually end the war because they get paid to fight wars. For another, mercenary bands often collude to extort money from their patrons. One mercenary band talks to another and they agree to drag a war out or let one side win one day and the other win the next. That general lack of loyalty makes them ill suited to fight wars.

      Mercenaries can be used for some things quite effectively though. Defending fixed positions is one thing especially against any kind of enemy that is unlikely to offer them quarter. Then the mercenaries with their backs against the wall and no where to run will fight as hard as any nationalized army. Not initiative needs to be taken on their part since they're defending and since their lives are on the line you can expect them to fight to the last man.

      They're also reasonable at defending convoys and such which is another thing backwater is tasked with. Mostly defending things. You have some armed people guarding some oil wells or a supply convoy or something. Mercenaries are quite good at that but that is a far cry from fighting a war.

      If I had to pit the national army of any two bit dictator on this planet against the combined mercenary forces of the world, I'd probably bet on that lone dictator every time.

      As to your claim that I am a corporate apologist, how many people have corporations killed versus how many people have governments killed?

      I'll accept your claim that I am a corporate apologist if you'll accept that you're an apologist for tyrants, genocidal maniacs, mass rapists, mass murderers, governments that literally impale and crucify their victims, etc.

      You want to feed me hyperbole? I will skull fuck you with your own hypocrisy. You're so unbelievably naive as to what you discuss that the very idea that you presume to contradict me is laughable. You know nothing of history. You know nothing of the present. You are another sad witless ideologue parroting bullshit fed into his tiny little skull... and far too stupid and shallow to know it.

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    23. Re:No, people have always been like that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have what I hope is a cynical self interest in promoting a corporate apologist's viewpoint. That or you are delusional on the nature of reality and how things are connected.

      I will skull fuck you

      Delusional it is.

    24. Re:No, people have always been like that by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      deceitful as usual... the rest of that sentence was "with your own hypocrisy."

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  17. How do you define smart? by metlin · · Score: 1

    The article seems to conflate content knowledge with being smart.

    I would argue that raw analytical skills are much more important than content knowledge. Being able to regurgitate information is only marginally useful, and its most important value is that you're equipped with a framework and a lens through which to examine problems.

    However, absent analytical capabilities, your ability to use your knowledge and past experiences to solve problems is severely limited.

    Google makes people think they are knowledgeable, which is not necessarily the same as being "smart".

    1. Re:How do you define smart? by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      I suppose knowing all the different species of snakes doesn't really make you very smart. However, some knowledge, (e.g. how to build a nuclear reactor), probably does imply intelligence.

      I don't think all knowledge is equal. I think some knowledge is trivially easy to understand and other knowledge can be very difficult to understand. Google drastically increases the accessibility of nearly all knowledge, which basically gives the trivially comprehensible knowledge to everyone for free.

      Try to read the wikipedia pages for quantum mechanics. It is a lot easier than trying to discover quantum mechanics independently which would and did require real geniuses, but it is still pretty hard to understand even when it it served to you on a silver platter.

      Someone who merely knows how quantum mechanics works might not be as smart as Bohr or Feynman (who helped figure it out in the first place), but they are still probably smarter than 99.9% of the population.

    2. Re:How do you define smart? by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      I suppose knowing all the different species of snakes doesn't really make you very smart. However, some knowledge, (e.g. how to build a nuclear reactor), probably does imply intelligence.

      I'd say knowing which species of snake live in your area, and how to tell the difference between venomous and non-venomous look-a-likes (coral snake or eastern king snake? water moccasin or banded water snake?) makes you smart - you've prepared yourself for what we referred to as "activities of daily life" when I worked in physical rehab/therapy. Although running across a snake and having to ID it as potentially lethal vs nonlethal isn't a daily occurence (at least I hope not... and I live in the woods).

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    3. Re:How do you define smart? by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 2

      I'm not saying it's bad to know your snakes. The reason I came up with the example, is because I was just reading wikipedia articles about snakes at the time. My point is that the information is really easy to understand (i.e. even dumb people are capable of doing it). The fact that you know about snakes isn't a bad thing. It is probably a good thing. But it is not indicative of high intelligence (relative to other humans).

      Some information is indicative of intelligence. (i.e. the information that dumb people can't just easily get/understand from google or wikipedia).

  18. In other news... by grimmjeeper · · Score: 0

    Water is wet, the Pope is Catholic, and bears do their business in the woods.

    1. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. Did the google searches and confirmed these to be correct.

  19. Intelligence != Research Skills != Knowledge by TomR+teh+Pirate · · Score: 1

    It sounds like intelligence is being used as a proxy for subject matter knowledge, and is being wrongly compared to research skills. Being smart enough to do research rather than throw your arms up in the air and saying "it can't be done" is an important feature of emotional intelligence. I think what the article means to say is that people think they are experts when they aren't. Too bad people writing about "intelligence" don't know how to write about it effectively.

    1. Re:Intelligence != Research Skills != Knowledge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. You get about as much expertise from a web article as you get from a brochure or the side of a cereal box. The difference is: After someone reads the side of a cereal box or a brochure, they typically don't refer to themselves as a "Climate Scientist", for instance.

  20. Intelligence, Knowledge, Critical Thinking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Knowledge is a continuing process. Obviously some stuff like lower level mathematics and science is set in stone. You still have to continuously check and rate your sources. Anyone who has any type of decent education will understand that the Internet isn't the only source available to a research/learner.

  21. Being smart is about skills and speed, not facts. by gurps_npc · · Score: 1
    A computer hooked up to the internet can hold data that, if properly requested by the user, return any scientific fact

    But it can't do a task it doesn't already know how to do.

    A human child will have far fewer facts that the computer at easy hand - but can figure out how to do anything, if given enough time. While some things may take years, most will be learn-able very quickly.

    Intelligence does not depend on the facts you know, but instead on the skills you have that let you learn new things.

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  22. Re:Being smart is about skills and speed, not fact by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

    Given the limitless potential of humans, shouldn't it be the case that human will eventually figure out how to make a computers as intelligent as other humans?

  23. Goodwill Hunting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reminds me of that scene:

    Will: See, the sad thing about a guy like you is, in 50 years you're gonna start doin' some thinkin' on your own and you're going to come up with the fact that there are two certainties in life: one, don't do that, and two, you dropped 150 grand on a f****in education you could have got for a dollar fifty in late charges at the public library!

    In this case its Google, not the Library, but you get my drift....although I also firmly do believe that there is no tradeoff for actual real world experience.You can't just "Google" everything.

  24. Obligatory by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Informative

    "The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination." - Albert Einstein

    1. Re:Obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination." - Albert Einstein

      "Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance." - Confucius

      "Google just clothes the nakedness of modern man's true ignorance. When the internet is down, most men's minds are naked and everyone but them notices." - Me

  25. it's true by jjeffries · · Score: 4, Funny

    Read some random Youtube comments for a few mintes--you'll feel like a fucking genius!

    1. Re:it's true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read some random Youtube comments for a few mintes--you'll feel like a fucking genius!

      99% of youtube comments are people daring to be assholes at levels which anywhere else other than the internet would get them beaten within inches of their lives.

    2. Re:it's true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read some random Youtube comments for a few mintes--you'll feel like a fucking genius!

      Be careful! It appears pointers in your head are write once only. T_T

  26. Yeah, Yeah by Greyfox · · Score: 1

    Olig XKCD.

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  27. Are you "Google smart?" by wcrowe · · Score: 1

    I certainly think this is true in the sense that inaccuracies can get repeated so widely and so quickly on the internet, that even moderately intelligent people accept the inaccuracies as fact when, if they would just think for a little bit, they would realize that they are complete fiction. I call this being "Google smart".

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    1. Re:Are you "Google smart?" by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      There's one level below that which I call Facebook Smart. The level below that is FWD: Read This!!!!!
      I think that's the bottom of the barrel. Not sure where /. goes. Maybe between Google Smart and Facebook Smart?

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  28. Less time wasted on stupid trivia by jgotts · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yale professors' ideas of being knowledgeable in a subject come from their experience lecturing students.

    I've been getting paid to do programming for almost 30 years. Google has changed programming such that you no longer have to memorize the useless trivia that college professors lecture about.

    I program in three programming languages on a daily basis, JavaScript, PHP, and Perl. Some days I barely touch Perl. But the difference between my programming style today and 15 years ago is that I never use books. I don't memorize the exact syntax or idioms of any language. Anything that I can find within 5 minutes on Google I don't bother to learn anymore.

    As a result I can focus on improving my ability to program as a generalist, and I'm very good at what I do. If you asked me to write a bit of non-trivial code in anything but pseudo-code, I would very likely not get the syntax exactly right (unless you asked me to write it in C, which I learned before the days of Google).

    Google allows us to not be smart at things that are a waste of our time to learn in the first place. We can have a much more broad knowledge of many subjects and use Google to drill down on specifics, rather than having the type of knowledge that professors crave, being completely pigeon-holed into one speciality where you have all of the trivial detail memorized.

    Can I rattle off every type of tree structure, and tell you what tree is good for what problem? No. In the days of Google, that type of knowledge is useless. You ought to know when you need to use a tree structure of some sort and you can spend an hour or two making that determination, or if the decision is critical you can spend a day on it. Effectively, those weeks or months we spent in computer science/computer engineering classes learning all of these very specific attributes of data structures were a waste.

    To generalize, consider everything you can easily find with Google to be part of your knowledge. Memorizing it would be a complete waste of time. But that very waste of time seems to be what these professors were measuring (and valuing!)

    1. Re:Less time wasted on stupid trivia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How is referencing some syntax on google any different from referencing something in a book? Apart from the 8 seconds it takes to look it up on google vs. the 38 seconds it takes to look it up in a book?

      The problem is that people with google equate themselves as "proficient" in something that they've BARELY researched -- as in they've read 3 paragraphs about the topic. People who read the equivalent amount of that (the intro to a book) on the subject can hold in their hand the 600 pages of UNREAD content that tells them that they haven't learned anything yet.

    2. Re:Less time wasted on stupid trivia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This, this, just exactly this. I couldn't have said it as well. In fact the next time I need to say it I'll just Google for this. Damn I'm smart.

    3. Re:Less time wasted on stupid trivia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yale professors' ideas of being knowledgeable in a subject come from their experience lecturing students.

      I've been getting paid to do programming for almost 30 years. Google has changed programming such that you no longer have to memorize the useless trivia that college professors lecture about.

      I program in three programming languages on a daily basis, JavaScript, PHP, and Perl. ...

      BS. That does not mean that people "no longer have to memorize the useless trivia that college professors lecture about". What that means is the career you you wound up with is trivial monkey work that is beneath your education, the kind that's easy to outsource.

      I have worked on acoustic analysis for speech recognition in vehicular environments, the beacon trilateration system used for the positioning system of one of the major phone OSes, among other cutting edge systems and not a month goes by where I don't have a reason to wish I could've spent more time "to memorize the useless trivia that college professors lecture about".

    4. Re:Less time wasted on stupid trivia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... not get the syntax exactly right ...

      Which means you waste time fixing your code because you didn't have the correct grammar. That lack of attention to the supposed trivia also makes debugging difficult because you don't know when you applied your shit or you're shit.

      ... these professors were measuring (and valuing!)

      Teaching is invariably about transferring the skill of a process from teacher to student. Against this, it is easy to make teaching about a bunch of facts and demanding the student regurgitate them. But a large part of any intellectual skill is detecting, gathering and refining facts that are input into the very process the student must learn. So there are a minimum number of facts required to understand and apply any skill. A lay-person who mistakenly thinks she has has enough facts is deluded about her cleverness and will produce the wrong answer.

    5. Re:Less time wasted on stupid trivia by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      How is referencing some syntax on google any different from referencing something in a book? Apart from the 8 seconds it takes to look it up on google vs. the 38 seconds it takes to look it up in a book?

      Unless you have just a couple of books, that'll probably take something in the 90-6000 seconds interval. Also, Google can point you into many more "books" than what fits your bookcase. This is one of those cases where a quantitative difference is so big that it becomes a qualitative difference.

    6. Re:Less time wasted on stupid trivia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I have to disagree. The time you spent learning tree structure, developed your mind, so that you can come back to it, and relearn it. It would be different if you had stumble upon, and learn the concept of trees for the first time.

      The value of education and gaining knowledge is to exercise and develop the mind. Facts and details can be forgotten, but you have the mental scaffolding to regain them.

    7. Re:Less time wasted on stupid trivia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Memorizing it would be a complete waste of time. But that very waste of time seems to be what these professors were measuring (and valuing!)

      Much of tertiary education has been about memorizing. What bollocks. After doing a degree in maths/theoretical physics, which had a lot of memorizing but also a huge amount of difficult problem solving, I studied medicine for a few awful years. I became frustrated that a medical degree is 90% memorization (only), and 10% craft. You can have quite a dull intellect, but if you have a great memory, then studying medicine is easy. I'm sure working as an actual doctor entails others skills though.

    8. Re:Less time wasted on stupid trivia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is referencing some syntax on google any different from referencing something in a book? Apart from the 8 seconds it takes to look it up on google vs. the 38 seconds it takes to look it up in a book?

      The problem is that people with google equate themselves as "proficient" in something that they've BARELY researched -- as in they've read 3 paragraphs about the topic. People who read the equivalent amount of that (the intro to a book) on the subject can hold in their hand the 600 pages of UNREAD content that tells them that they haven't learned anything yet.

      "Never put anything on a resume you can't learn in 24 hours"

    9. Re:Less time wasted on stupid trivia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Also, Google can point you into many more "books" than what fits your bookcase

      Not really. The internet proves that Sturgeon was an optimist. The sheer amount of wrong information, clickbait sites, and other garbage makes it quite difficult to find anything deeper than a "X for Dummies" level of information on any given topic.

    10. Re:Less time wasted on stupid trivia by marcosdumay · · Score: 1

      I bet you don't read 90% of what's written on any subject.

  29. Your knowledge isn't your own by j33px0r · · Score: 1

    "It becomes easier to confuse your own knowledge with this external source."

    As you move up the education food chain, its not about what you know but being able to cite about what others have discovered. In other words, no one cares what you think you know, i.e., your opinion. They care about you being able to prove what you know by referencing external sources of value.

    1. Re:Your knowledge isn't your own by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It becomes easier to confuse your own knowledge with this external source."

      As you move up the education food chain, its not about what you know but being able to cite about what others have discovered. In other words, no one cares what you think you know, i.e., your opinion. They care about you being able to prove what you know by referencing external sources of value.

      That is one thing, however It takes someone with specialized knowledge and skills to be able to formulate a hypothesis of their own, test it, prove it and present it, and often it is the lower end models who come back with just blowing it off as "an opinion". You can usually tell the really lazy ones, because they will find a spelling error, or more frequently, a word they don't know or phrase they don't understand, and start just blindly attacking the person's grammar and spelling without even demonstrating they even comprehended the words the author typed or the words that came out of the mouth of the person speaking! Effective way to win an argument... only in your own mind!

  30. JIT Knowledge by DumbSwede · · Score: 1

    I lightly skimmed TFA, and it appears they are concerned with how well we explain/use what we have found as an answer on the internet.

    I think this is an oversimplification. I use to read books on various computer languages and could program in them sufficiently before the internet (yes I’m that old). Now I don’t learn languages as deeply for various infrequently used constructs, but look them up as needed.

    Now here is the thing -- once I have used a quickly found piece of knowledge on the internet, I then nearly as quickly discard it. Does it matter as long as I applied the knowledge as needed? I might research a topic, come to some insight, then discard the steps of coming to the insight, because I realize I could recreate my steps again more efficiently should the need arise than commit volumes of information to memory. What I now remember is not the facts, but the steps needed to find the facts.

    It may be that in areas where I lack expertise I assign a probability that should the need arise I could get some answer. Is that the same as overestimating my knowledge? This probability assignment includes shades of gray and that realization that a search might return wildly different answers from various sources, for instance if I’m looking up something on foreign policy decisions. This last example actually forces me to keep my knowledge more fluid. I constantly reevaluate my positions as new information comes to light, instead of defending to the death my old hard won knowledge and opinions.

    Yes there may be some detrimental effects to relying on the internet augment our intelligence, say for those that have to write technical manuals for instance. But there are also benefits to be had. Sort of like JIT (Just in Time) manufacturing, we now have JIT knowledge.

  31. Google should be last port of call by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Google can help you keep a lot of facts at your fingertips.

    Facts? It doesn't even do that. It puts a lot of random noise at your fingertips, only a small proportion of which are factually accurate and not biased by the interpretation de jour.

    The signal to noise ratio of search engines is nothing short of appalling, and it's made even worse in cases like Google by their deliberate skewing of results to reflect their vested interest, ie. advertising. The web exhibits swarm behavior, always reflecting the majority direction even when the majority are lemmings running straight at a precipice. It makes the majority of search results of very poor quality, and is generally unsafe as a source of factual information. Readers who are already well informed can often separate the facts from the nonsense in this torrent of noise, but uninformed beginners stand no chance at all.

    It makes me shudder when I read advice given to newbies that their first port of call should be to "Google it". That should be their last port of call, when all else fails. The first port of call should be to objective authority in the subject area of interest, not to the erratic ramblings of the crowd which through lack of a thorough background spends much of its time virally spreading misinterpretations or even outright falsehoods.

    1. Re:Google should be last port of call by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Interpreting the results of a Google search are part of 'Googling it' and is more or less what you describe. e.g. never trust Wikipedia.

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    2. Re:Google should be last port of call by Reziac · · Score: 1

      And I've noticed that the usefulness of the results gets markedly worse every time they "improve" their search algorithm. Stuff that's mainstream for a topic and used to be easy to find is now often buried beyond recall.

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  32. Particularly Relevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The researchers also believe that an inflated sense of personal knowledge also could be dangerous in the political realm or other areas involving high-stakes decisions."

    This is essentially how U.S. politics already works, at least at the federal level. Lawmakers rely on staff council, lobbyists and popular opinion on most critical, technical subjects like stem cell research, assisted suicide, and net neutrality. The understanding they are given is at a topical level only. for the vast majority of them and yet they go out and vote our future anyway. It's not exactly their fault, as there a few if any alive who could possess the breadth of knowledge required to intelligently vote on every subject but what you hope for are politicians who are smart enough to know what they don't know and honest enough to cast a vote they think is best for all their constituents.

  33. Ray Kurzweil: Expanding Our Intelligence by sosuke · · Score: 1

    Expanding Our Intelligence Without Limit Ray Kurzweil https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  34. I believe it by al0ha · · Score: 1

    I reconnected with a friend after a prolonged period apart, and as I talked about the Internet and the opportunities for success it's created for the individual, his wife agreed with me and spoke about how she was making in the low 4 figures per month and would soon get to 5. I thought that very interesting considering my initial impressions of her from long ago when she began dating my buddy, so I was intrigued that she'd done like me, learned coding and marketing and had created a successful business. Then I finally figured out her business was spam blogging sites, where she'd learned to game Google and start making some decent money from Internet advertising. Of course this was right before Google made a change to their search algorithm to prevent just such bogus sites from being listed and the money disappeared and she basically went off the deep end for a while. Felt bad for her as I knew Google was making the change that would destroy her income, but I couldn't say anything as she felt like she was some kind of a genius, when the facts are she's somewhat cunning and likely did not figure how to it herself.

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  35. Hell... by Jawnn · · Score: 1

    I don't even trust Google that much, to take it's results as authoritative when making important decisions. If you do, then you are a fool.

  36. #GoogleGenius by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you a GoogleGenius, do you know where you get your information all the time. Do you know how to check a site's credentials? Do you use Google to do >90% of your work? You may be a Google Genius.

  37. Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If this was true, I wouldn't be Googling stuff for everyone... truth is, most people don't understand what they see when they use the Internet. You have to have a broad education to make use of all the facts one comes across, and to correctly sort and interrelate them all toward your goal. Thinking is hard to teach. No repeatable steps, and the best thinkers often don't know how or why they are so good at thinking...

  38. Apples and Oranges by blue9steel · · Score: 1

    Intelligence != Knowledge

  39. Re:Being smart is about skills and speed, not fact by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    I had a computer as smart as you included in my radio shack 100 in 1 kit.

    As smart as which other humans?

    --
    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  40. Einstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is a story that Einstein when asked his phone number couldn't remember it. When asked how someone as smart as he didn't know his own phone number, he said he never used it and he could look it up in a phone book if he needed it. He saved his brain for important information.

    The impact of the internet is that it is much less important than people retain knowledge than that they know how to find and process it to solve problems. People who use the internet think they are smarter because they are smarter. They have more information available and they can use their mental energy to process it, rather than to memorize it. Of course much of our education system is still focused on people memorizing answers for a test rather than teaching them how to think. So "smart" people are the ones who are good at memorization.

  41. All cyborgs now... by cfalcon · · Score: 1

    We're all "cyborgs" when it comes to search. But, that's the whole point.

    I doubt I could program at even 1/10th the speed without EITHER the Internet, or about three-six large books (a language book, an OS API book, and then whatever I'm actually working on). Does this mean I'm not really a coder? Or does it just mean that asking a blacksmith to work without fire is dumb?

  42. Me and google... by mpp · · Score: 1

    We're pretty smart.

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    Dilute! Dilute! OK!
  43. "far more knowledgeable about a subject that" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fucking American idiots.

    It's "far more...THAN", not "that". How can you not know what those two words mean?

    1. Re:"far more knowledgeable about a subject that" by Lodlaiden · · Score: 1

      He didn't have access to Google when he was writing the summary to know which to use.

      --
      Suborbital [spaceflight] is the special olympics of spaceflight. - Rei
  44. My dad thinks that he is smarter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My dad thinks that he is smarter than the doctors because he reads medical doctors. He tries to diagnose muscle pains, low heart rate, stomach aches and other illnesses using Web MD and other online websites. I am not kidding. I'm like, dad, at least call your doctor and schedule an appointment. One time, he gout a stomach ache and thought it was food poisoning. It turned out to be something else that I forgot. You have health insurance and the doctor's office is two miles away. I guess he is too proud to see a doctor who is 30 years younger than he is. My dad thought my mom had some kidney stones. Yeah, my dad is playing doctor by reading online articles and diagnosing the illness incorrectly. But my mom's doctor said that my mom had indigestion or something like that.

    But I digress.

    1. Re:My dad thinks that he is smarter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been reading 'Amateur Doctor' magazine for 20 years. If that doesn't make me a doctor, I don't know what does.

  45. but... by superwiz · · Score: 1

    Google actually does make you smarter. It increases your information processing speed. Which is one of the components of intelligence. It doesn't improve every component of intelligence. It doesn't increase your chunking capacity or short-term memory or top-level cache, will. But it certainly increases your ability to analyze larger volumes of information. So let's say it increases your L2 cache and RAM, but not your L1 cache. It's still an increase in cognitive performance. So... your conclusion that you are smarter because you use Google is not baseless.

    --
    Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
  46. There is nothing wrong with your television set by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I prefer the Outer Limits version version better

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stream_of_Consciousness_%28The_Outer_Limits%29

  47. Uh-Ohs by pipingguy · · Score: 1

    Over-confident users + clueless bosses + exaggerated expectations of software capabilities due to marketing = What?

    1. Re:Uh-Ohs by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Windows 8?

      Try the seafood platter...

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  48. Yeah, but... by thylordroot · · Score: 1

    ... a quick search on Google shows that... uh...

    We are Google. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your technological and biological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.

  49. There is nothing wrong with your television set by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I prefer the Outer Limits version better

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stream_of_Consciousness_%28The_Outer_Limits%29

  50. You just realized we need Google? by Lodlaiden · · Score: 1

    Without the almighty Google to guide us in our everyday life, we will falter and be led astray, fumbling blindly in the absence of readily available knowledge.

    --
    Suborbital [spaceflight] is the special olympics of spaceflight. - Rei
  51. Re:Being smart is about skills and speed, not fact by gurps_npc · · Score: 1
    No. People are limitless, but computers are not.

    Try switching nouns - consider this possibility. Given the limitless potential of humans, don't you think it is possible for a human to eventually create a bicycle capable of reaching the moon?

    Yes, we reached the moon - but with a rocket, not a bicycle. Bicycles are too limited, it took a much better vehicle to reach the moon.

    Some day we may create something that is as intelligent as humans. But it will be much more similar to a human than a computer is - to the point where calling it a computer would be like calling a rocket ship a bicycle.

    --
    excitingthingstodo.blogspot.com
  52. Has anyone busted out the quote from Phaedrus? by Headw1nd · · Score: 1
    If not, allow me, as it seems appropriate:

    “This invention (writing), O king,” said Theuth, “will make the Egyptians wiser and will improve their memories; for it is an elixir of memory and wisdom that I have discovered.”

    But Thamus replied, “Most ingenious Theuth, one man has the ability to beget arts, but the ability to judge of their usefulness or harmfulness to their users belongs to another; and now you, who are the father of letters, have been led by your affection to ascribe to them a power the opposite of that which they really possess.

    “For this invention will produce forgetfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practice their memory. Their trust in writing, produced by external characters which are no part of themselves, will discourage the use of their own memory within them. You have invented an elixir not of memory, but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom, for they will read many things without instruction and will therefore seem to know many things, when they are for the most part ignorant and hard to get along with, since they are not wise, but only appear wise.”

    So we can't say we weren't warned.

  53. Welcome to the Singularity by pubwvj · · Score: 2

    You thought the Singularity would be about replacing you. It isn't. We will augment you. Welcome to the brave new world where your intelligence lives in both wetware and silicone.

  54. Here's the thing by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    Doesn't bother me one bit if someone looks the facts up and presents that as part of their argument or statement. I'm just delighted to not be engaged by BS. I like to learn, too. Further, I suspect that the very act of looking something up, when that actually happens, is educational at least to some extent to the one doing the looking. In other words, I think it does make us smarter. It's certainly smarter behavior. Also, I outright question the need to know everything in specific, when you are both correct and informed on the generalities, and know how to look up, and how to comprehend, the specifics. That's not stupidity or ignorance. That's power.

    "The Internet is such a powerful environment, where you can enter any question, and you basically have access to the world's knowledge at your fingertips,"

    With the quoted remark in mind, it becomes even more difficult to accept the ignorance that anti-vaxxers, both of the rabid extreme positions taken on the warming question, the "Obamacare is destroying Murica" pushers, the anti-gays, those on both the far left and the far right extremes, the "constitution is a living document" bewildered, the superstitious, the homeopaths, the "quartz crystals boost your immune system" loonies, Fox news watchers, etc.

    All that knowledge out there, so very easy to get to in easily digestible form thanks to powerful search engines and a huge variety of presentations, plenty of verifiable facts to counter the endless waves of ignorance, deceit, and agitprop... and yet...

    --
    I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
    1. Re:Here's the thing by BradMajors · · Score: 2

      > Doesn't bother me one bit if someone looks the facts up and presents that as part of their argument or statement.

      That is the problem. Something finds something on the internet using Google and presents that as a "fact". And, then presents themselves as an expert on the subject because of that "fact".

    2. Re:Here's the thing by Lightning+McQueen · · Score: 1

      I'd like to point out the money that can sometimes be saved. With non-dangerous stuff of course like do it yourself videos on youtube, or every number of common tasks on youtube. As a matter of fact, its nice to look up something you already know how to do. Why? Because someone out there may have a more efficient way to do it than you've always done it. I don't mean to say everyone should do things the same way but currently it provides a variety. For lots of things if Guy A's video doesn't suit me there's Guy B and C showing me their way to do it.

    3. Re:Here's the thing by TWX · · Score: 1

      That doesn't mean that the viewer that turns around and reproduces the work in the video is an expert though.

      That's part why the trades have been organized in an apprentice/journeyman/master structure. An apprentice either doesn't know anything or knows enough to get into trouble. The journeyman has experience but has not really encountered enough situations deviating from the common training materials or circumstances to necessarily know how two handle all conditions. The master has encountered enough varied conditions that he can react to just about anything thrown at him, regardless of how obtuse.

      People that watch videos and reimplement what they see are apprentices. Sometimes they hurt themselves because they've made assumptions about the conditions that are incorrect. Other times they make things worse. That doesn't mean that hobbyist experience is bad, it's not, but people need to be realistic with themselves when they set out to start.

      --
      Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
    4. Re:Here's the thing by slew · · Score: 1

      And, then presents themselves as an expert on the subject because of that "fact".

      Which is actually the real problem. Just because you possess a specific fact about a subject, why should I consider you an expert? You can present yourself as an expert all you want, but I don't have to accept that.

      Basically, I ask myself, since you are generally only considered an expert if you are in possession of a comprehensive amount of knowledge from authoritative sources, why is googled information authoritative, or even comprehensive?

      That doesn't mean that looking things up and presenting an argument based on that isn't applying well known principals of rhetoric in their arguments or statements.

      It is of course quite possible to make a coherent and persuasive argument with the kind of limited factual information you might get by 2 seconds of google-ing (e.g., not from an expert point of view), but that art is lost on the interwebs (where somehow somehow asserting artificial "expertise" is bandied about as a way to attempt to suppress detractors from your poorly defensible positions).

      I don't think this is at the same as those thinking they are actually experts ala-Dunning-Kruger (except perhaps to those who are naturally self-deluded which is probably a non negligible subset of people)...

    5. Re:Here's the thing by cwsumner · · Score: 1

      To quote an old saying, "90% of anything is bullshit". And that applies to the internet even more than other things.

      Of course the other 10% might be diamonds (with a little luck). But if you can't tell the difference, then you will fail.

      In other words, Wikipedia is not proof!

  55. Books can become quickly outdated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not sure remembering the atomic weight of any specific element is useful day to day. Nor the Capitol cities of every State in the world. Hard facts aside, I wonder if the study accounts for knowledge that is constantly changing. Having near immediate access to current data trumps recalling something you learned from a book a few years ago. This assumes, of course, you know how to find accurate data on the web, which is akin to knowing which book and page to turn.

  56. Logic not the same as memory by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    A person may have superior logical ability but poor ability to recall.

    Google makes it easier to recall facts for which you only remember "pointers" to. Then you can exercise logic on them.

    You can also have someone with a huge memory who is illogical and irrational.

    They are independent skills.

    Having a good memory helps an intelligent person when they can't access their notes, the internet, reference books, etc. It's great for trivia and for solving problem quicker.

    --
    She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
  57. Smart isn't knowing lots of things .... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... it's knowing where to find them. Google is just a starting point, as is Wikipedia. Smart is absorbing this information, filtering and processing it and building a semantic model in your head useful for solving a problem at hand. Smart isn't necessarily loading your brain up with trivia in the hopes that it will come in handy some day.

    --
    Have gnu, will travel.
  58. Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Internet: great at [sharing] ideas, terrible at sorting through them with applied logic and set reduction.

  59. what does it mean to be smart ? by swell · · Score: 1

    Is a preteen boy smart when he can memorize 40,000 digits of pi? Or is he really dumb for having directed his energy in such a stupid direction? Should we feel dumb the first time we see the word 'omphaloskepsis'? As many here have said- knowing stuff isn't the same as being smart.

    New members of Mensa (the hi IQ society) often want to explore what intelligence really means. Experienced members are tired of that discussion and just want another beer. IQ tests don't satisfy everyone's idea of intelligence but we have nothing better yet.

    Note that the internet won't help you when the test asks "Which object is most different from the other three?" It won't help you match puzzle shapes. Neither Wolfram nor your religious order can help you with logic problems typical of intelligence tests Neither Google nor Wikipedia are of much, if any, help with IQ tests.

    So these newbie discussions in Mensa are usually fruitless. One point sometimes arises that may satisfy some people. Humans are different from other animals in their survival equipment. We have no claws or fighting teeth or camouflage. We are weak, flabby creatures but we are smarter than others. You could say that our individual ability to survive and thrive is a measure of our intelligence. How well you achieve your life goals is your measuring stick.

    --
    ...omphaloskepsis often...
  60. Exhibit A: Jenny McCarthy by Phil+Karn · · Score: 2

    Direct quote from "The View" regarding her quack beliefs on vaccines and autism: "The University of Google is where I got my degree from."

  61. Re:Being smart is about skills and speed, not fact by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

    You have the humor of a really old and uninteresting person.

  62. Re:Being smart is about skills and speed, not fact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No. People are limitless, but computers are not.

    Try switching nouns - consider this possibility. Given the limitless potential of humans, don't you think it is possible for a human to eventually create a bicycle capable of reaching the moon?

    Yes, it is simple to reach the moon on a bike. Build one big enough and then ride the crankshaft/tire up. It's not an optimal solution, but neither is a rocket vs a pair of space elevators and, to over simplify, a net on the receiving end.

    Yes, we reached the moon - but with a rocket, not a bicycle. Bicycles are too limited, it took a much better vehicle to reach the moon.

    Some day we may create something that is as intelligent as humans. But it will be much more similar to a human than a computer is - to the point where calling it a computer would be like calling a rocket ship a bicycle.

    Rockets are not better vehicles than bikes. They are loud, dangerous and expensive. A bike is much easier, simpler and cheaper for most trips, and you can generally use the same bike to get back. I can fold my bike in half and carry it on a train, or stick it under my desk.

    Also, the original "computers" were humans, so your terminology and etymological basis for your assertions is off if you want to talk about long term trends:
    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=computer
    computer (n.) 1640s, "one who calculates," agent noun from compute (v.).

  63. Google does increase ones knowledge by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

    But, as an otherwise bad movie pointed out, there is a difference between knowledge and wisdom.

    --
    Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
  64. Re:Being smart is about skills and speed, not fact by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

    No. People are limitless, but computers are not.

    Do you have any evidence to support this?

    Try switching nouns - consider this possibility. Given the limitless potential of humans, don't you think it is possible for a human to eventually create a bicycle capable of reaching the moon?

    This is a semantic argument. That's because a bicycle has an implicit definition (i.e. lating for 2 circles). A bicycle is a vehicle, a car is a vehicle, and a saturn 5 rocket is a vehicle. Why do people talk about flying cars and not flying bicycles? Because a car doesn't imply wheels, but a bicycle does. It is certainly possible for a "car" to go to the moon. If we have a personal vehicle that can one day go to the moon, and it is similar in size and shape to a traditional car, I don't think anybody will have trouble calling it a "space car".

    Some day we may create something that is as intelligent as humans. But it will be much more similar to a human than a computer is - to the point where calling it a computer would be like calling a rocket ship a bicycle.

    I think you have a very narrow view of what "computation" is. If one day we have machines that are as intelligent as humans, and they are still made of the same stuff as they are now (i.e. transistors), but just in more advanced configurations, and you don't want to call them computers anymore, I can't stop you. I will say that everything from modern laptops, to calculators, to AIs, to biological brains fit pretty firmly in the realm of "computing machines" according to the experts in field of computer science.

    If you win your semantic argument, and nobody (even computer scientists) in the future wants to call AIs computers, all it will mean is that the profound philosophical question "can computers be intelligent?" will be turned into a trivial question with a trivial answer of "No, because computers are defined to be non-intelligent"

    Saying "Computers will never be intelligent, because I've defined computers as non-intelligent things", is a meaningless statement.

  65. It only makes you smarter than you are... by thewils · · Score: 1

    ...by making your friends dumber than they look.

    --
    Once I was a four stone apology. Now I am two separate gorillas.
  66. Memorization = intelligence? by ecorona · · Score: 1

    Never memorize what you can look up

    1. Re:Memorization = intelligence? by Enokcc · · Score: 1

      I used to think this way. Then I realized the less I need to interrupt my thought process by looking up the more I am able to reason-

    2. Re:Memorization = intelligence? by ecorona · · Score: 1

      Of course, you can't keep looking up with note on a sheet is which key on a piano and still play your favorite Mozart piece. We can be reasonable when we decide what should be memorized. That being said, my original complaint about the raised false equivalency applies.

  67. What about the people who.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't use Google or read... from the way they talk they seem to think they are really smart. I have to bite my tongue constantly... you know that is an urban legend... and so on

  68. Smarter isn't the same as knowledgeable by Culture20 · · Score: 1

    One involves the use of information, and the capacity to learn quickly, the other involves the recall of information. Einstein was smart. Billy Quizboy is knowledgeable. Search engines let everyone be Billy Quizboys. Applying that recalled knowledge correctly (especially in new ways) is what separates a smart Billy Quizboy from the pack.

  69. Al Gore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Al Gore invented the Internet. Then he won a Nobel Prize for inventing Global Warming. See a trend here?

    1. Re:Al Gore by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Half the tragedy. Irena Sendler was the one that should have won. She did something, saved lives that clearly took a lot of guts. I bet very few people on /. would have the guts to do what she did. I'd like to think I would. All Al did was come up with a fucking power point presentation. BFD. If he had any humanity in him, he should have said - what is wrong with you people. She deserves this FAR FAR FAR more than I do for a bullshit make money scheme in the first place. Of course, he has no humanity. Just a washed up news paper reporter that rode his father's coattails into the Senate.

      Still to this day so many people still believe him and his man made GW.

  70. If you actually are smart Google doesn't help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I run in to this situation all the time. I go on the Internet to find a solution or information on a problem I'm having and I find nothing, or at least nothing helpful. It's actually very frustrating.

    I have learned that if I reach the point where I actually need to seek help from others then it's unlikely that someone else has done any better than me. I have to solve these problems all by myself.

  71. Right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Going to college makes people think they are smarter than they are.
    I guess if you are using Google to cheat then this "research" matters, but for all the people getting things done it is a waste of time.

  72. What if / And how by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lets consider a science fiction hypothetical: If, in the not too distant future, it becomes possible to augment your memory with a neural storage appliance capable of storing terabytes of compressed data with millisecond seek and load times, are users of said appliance considered 'smarter' or 'more intelligent'? I think the question is up for debate, and that debate hinges on how one defines intelligence.

    Is it the mere collection and recall of facts? We are surrounded by facts all day. We are (to paraphrase Jung) drowning in facts. But facts don't do much on their own. They just sort of sit there, immutable but subject to replacement by another more 'factual' fact. Suppose I have access to the entire contents of two graduate courses in mathematics and physics from world-renowned institutions. Can I out-do Hawking, Pauli ,or Heisenberg? I think not.

    Is it skill? Surgeons are quite the skillful bunch, as are sculptors, heavy crane operators, and characters played by Liam Neeson.

    Is it the ability to solve problems? Close, perhaps. Of course, we are easily outdone in many problem domains by machines, and our share will only shrink with time.

    "I/he/she/it" is smart. When we say this we usually mean that the entity in question exhibits behavior that we consider 'smart'. It solves practical and theoretical problems, it improvises effectively in novel situations, it uses its collection of facts, coupled with experience, to determine the best course of action, it considers the consequences of its own actions and feeds them back into the decision making process. It can create.

    So do we take a reductionist view and try to define 'intelligence' by vaguely-quantifiable types and sub-types, or do we take a behavioral/holistic view and define intelligence as the ability turn a melange of facts, experience, skill, and intuition into useful and novel behaviors?

    -RP

  73. Garbage in, garbage out by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    Given the 90+% Bullsh*t Rule of the internet, all this study shows is that Google makes it easier to look up bullsh*t.

  74. It doesn't matter how knowledgeable I am by presidenteloco · · Score: 3, Interesting

    any more (or anyone for that matter).

    What matters is how knowledgeable the cyborg comprised of me + net is.

    There are two kinds of cases where it still does matter how well I can do on my own.
    1. Where time is of the essence and I don't have time to hyper-learn.
    2. When I have passed the "Warning: You are leaving the twitterverse" signs on the dirt track off the highway.

    What's important in most cases today is how effective cyborg-me is at systematically formulating good questions then systematically acquiring, integrating, evaluating, and using knowledge.

    Stop thinking what matters is how good a human individual is at doing something/knowing something. That doesn't matter that much anymore, and will matter less in the near future. I like maintaining my celestial navigation skills, but it's really just for nostalgic reasons.

    --

    Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
  75. Smarts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Though smartness could be conflated with access to information, it's how you connect thedots that is smart. How those dots are obtained are secondary. Having someone form a cogent argument is way better than having a screaming match about how each person hasbetter looking pants. Metaphorically speaking.

  76. Will this apply to google/internet-based research? by Accordion+Noir · · Score: 1

    As someone who's writing a non-fiction history book I wonder if this effects what I'm doing. I use google and the net a lot and find many little nuggets of information tucked away that I would have missed. A very significant thing though is the deeper I get, the more I realize how much information is not online. Vast quantities of historical old paper have not been digitized. Seriously, most of human knowledge is not available to me when I look for it.

    If, as this article argues, individuals think they're smarter because they consult the net, I wonder if research (and researchers) and their books and work published using the net may also suffer from this? Are researchers (perhaps including the writers of this article, hmm?) stupider when they rely on google for their writing.

    Google gives me a wide but shallow feeling while doing research. It takes a great deal of extra work to pull the tiny nuggets from google and find the actual paper sources that take you to yet new things. The internet is a nice start, but to get anything of quality you have to go deeper. And of course the collating and analysis and arguments don't come from the search-bar, that's still human. But if we look online and stop at what I now think of as just the seed of a topic, we miss the eventual mass of data that isn't there yet.

    So, is internet research going to produce dumber research, and dumber researchers? Maybe more information will become available (can I add: damn you extended copyright, jailor of so much monetarily valueless culture.) But if a researcher thinks a quick search makes them more of an expert, should we all doubt their findings even more?

    (Dumb/clever closer: "Google that question.")

    --
    "Ruthlessly pursuing the idea that the accordion is just another instrument."
  77. applies to staff? by allfieldsrequired · · Score: 1

    I initially thought this was about the Google workforce

  78. stop right there by l3v1 · · Score: 1

    "The Internet is such a powerful environment, where you can enter any question, and you basically have access to the world's knowledge at your fingertips,"

    No, not exactly. First, it's not the 'Internet', it's the search engines that give you that power. Secondly, just do a simple test and try 3-4 search engines to look for something more deep than names of celebrities and see what you get, if you don't submit the right query string. Nowadays some search engines are fairly good in 'guessing' what you mean, but most are a crapload of bonkers.

    My point is no, Google doesn't make 'People Think They Are Smarter Than They Are', it's the smartass people who make themselves think they are smarter because they can eventually find something they are looking for.

    --
    I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I can think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do.
  79. Re:Being smart is about skills and speed, not fact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had a computer as smart as you included in my radio shack 100 in 1 kit.

    As smart as which other humans?

    The darkies?

  80. I know I am 20% smarter with Google. by aslvstr · · Score: 1

    I have said that for years.

    1. Re:I know I am 20% smarter with Google. by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Must be true. You saw it on the Internet?

      Now to pick up that lady who thinks I'm a French Model

      Bon Jour.

  81. Re:Will this apply to google/internet-based resear by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    As someone who's writing a non-fiction history book I wonder if this effects what I'm doing.

    Logically impossible.

    --
    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  82. people think they are smarter than they are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and they don't need google to fuel their delusions