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Netflix Algorithm Tells You When Your Best Employee Is About To Leave You

An anonymous reader writes "Former Netflix data scientist Mohammad Sabah has used the basis of the video-streaming company's movie-recommendation engine to create a new system to predict when valuable employees are likely to leave your company for pastures new. The new application 'Workday Talent Insights' uses the basis of the engine to correlate diverse factors such as interval between promotions and current length of tenure with equivalent job opportunities at employment websites, in order to gauge 'corporate restlessness', and provide options for employers who identify potential leavers."

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  1. Easy by halivar · · Score: 4, Funny

    Has the employee been watching Office Space on repeat? He's about to leave.

    1. Re:Easy by FilmedInNoir · · Score: 1

      or The Matrix... Speaking of which I need to practice hiding from Agent Smith and HR.
      So what other good "Take this job and shove it" movies are there? List begins here:

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    2. Re:Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Office Space.

      Office Space.

      Office Space.

      --sf

    3. Re: Easy by GodInHell · · Score: 1

      Wanted. Only part that movie that was awesome.

    4. Re: Easy by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      And Fight Club.

      And you're right - those parts in Wanted were awesome.

    5. Re:Easy by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

      Falling Down comes to mind.

    6. Re:Easy by operagost · · Score: 1

      I thought of that one myself, but he was actually laid off so it's more like the job (and every other poor sucker he ran into that day) shoved HIM.

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    7. Re:Easy by grimmjeeper · · Score: 1

      True. It's not the first movie to come to mind. But it does express the frustrations faced by aerospace/defense engineers taken way beyond normal. When I was working at a major defense contractor and looking to get the hell out of there, I watched that movie several times.

  2. Managers need an algorithm for that? by Viol8 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    - Have they turned up in a suit one day when they normally where jeans and t-shirt and disappear off for an extra long lunchbreak?
    - Have they started arriving late and leaving early?
    - Do they skip meetings more often?
    - Have they hinted about a payrise in the last assessment?
    - Has their work quality gone off a cliff and they spend most of the day on social media or youtube?

    If YES is the answer to 2 or more of those then yes, probably they're looking to leave.

    1. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's amazing how true this is... as a manager, I can predict when an employee is going to leave 1-2 months before they give notice. It's often subtle changes in their routine that become red flags - so subtle I doubt they even realize they have changed.

    2. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by fibonacci8 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      - Have they been turned down for a raise when they've demonstrated they're consistently making the company more money than when they were first hired?

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    3. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by neurovish · · Score: 1

      - Have they turned up in a suit one day when they normally where jeans and t-shirt and disappear off for an extra long lunchbreak?
      - Have they started arriving late and leaving early?
      - Do they skip meetings more often?
      - Have they hinted about a payrise in the last assessment?
      - Has their work quality gone off a cliff and they spend most of the day on social media or youtube?

      If YES is the answer to 2 or more of those then yes, probably they're looking to leave.

      Yeah, that's pretty much how it goes. I don't normally wear jeans to work though.

    4. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by houghi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Once I knew people were leaving, I talked to them asking why and then helped them in any way I could.

      I never tried to hold them back. Their decision was taken, so why bother them? If they wanted references, I gave good (and honest) ones to their potential new employer. I also would inform what I would say to the emplyee, so it would be up to them if they wanted to use me or not.

      This would mean in the end that they would be much more willing to do their time with us, which can still be several months (in Belgium). It also would enable me to hire new people who would then be trained by the person leaving.

      When I wanted to leave, I always went to my manager and explained why. They were always happy that I did that and gave positive feedback and helped me with everything I asked for as much as possible.

      One even gave me the address of a company that were looking for what I was looking for (didn't work out).

      Karma goes a long way and there is no reason to burn your bridges.

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    5. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This, entirely this. Saved a company over half a million dollars(or more) in lost time once by doing something that wasn't even my job only to be told I was not able to get a raise because my title didn't warrant it, oh and I couldn't get a new title. Within 2 years of leaving I'm on the verge of being triple my salary there. If you're not willing to pay someone what they are worth once they've proved their worth, you can bet someone else is.

    6. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is why my trousers are always the suit kind and when I am planning to leave then I behave as mister perfect. I also never ask for a raise (if my job conditions does not change) because if you fail to obtain then you are suspicious and if you don't too. Want a pay raise? Look somewhere else. If your employer find you valuable, the raise must be spontaneous (Assessment, ...).

    7. Re: Managers need an algorithm for that? by jrumney · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah, that's pretty much how it goes. I don't normally wear jeans to work though.

      In some workplaces that could be considered inappropriate, in others it may depend on your style of underwear.

    8. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by BVis · · Score: 4, Informative

      That works for European employers, it's much harder to fire someone in general than it is in the USA.

      When a manager finds out someone is leaving, one of the following happens:

      1) They're fired on the spot and escorted from the building;
      2) The manager tries to guilt them into staying;
      3) A pathetic counter-offer is made (nevermind that the reasons for leaving may not have anything to do with compensation);
      4) A significant counter-offer is made (usually intended to keep the worker there just long enough to hire a replacement).

      Occasionally what you describe happens. It's rare in my experience. Look at it from the employer's point of view; to this point in the employee's time there, they have been able to do pretty much whatever they want w/r/t the worker. No binding job descriptions, arbitrary re-assignment, (for exempt employees) forcing them to work 60, 70, 80 hour weeks with no extra pay, making them do the work of three people for a single salary, etc etc etc. The playing field is heavily tilted in their favor. So, it comes as a shock and an insult when the employee exercises the one right that US workers really have: They can quit. How DARE they! Don't they know that the company will only make 6 bazillion dollars instead of 6.5 if they leave? WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE SHAREHOLDERS!

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    9. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      Clearly this is the algorithm managers need even if it isn't the algorithm managers want. I can see it already:

      "how can this be right???! All of the inputs are the things I do! Something isnt right here!"

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    10. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by BVis · · Score: 2

      I don't know about you, but I couldn't make ends meet for long on unemployment payments. They can also make your life difficult by fighting the claim and making shit up out of whole cloth at the hearing.

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    11. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by PRMan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The same thing happened to me. I saved a company a million dollars a year. Then I got a bad review because I missed a meeting (I proved that I wouldn't get e-mail notifications if I was the last person invited because of some weird Outlook bug) and I quoted the customer saying they were "pissed" (direct quote) while everyone else especially the CxOs went around dropping f-bombs like they were using them up before they spoiled.

      Yeah, I wasn't there much longer.

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    12. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by praxis · · Score: 2, Informative

      If 70% of your salary is not enough to make ends meet, you are living well beyond your means.

    13. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Funny

      Knowing my past bosses, they need less succinct clues:

      - Did they set up the job search page as browser's default?
      - Did they ask you to check their CV?
      - Did they tell you "That's it! I'm leaving this fucking hell hole!"
      - Did they stop coming every morning?

      And, the one good clue:
      - When you called them on their personal phone to ask if they were "ill, or something", Did they answer "I LEFT THE COMPANY TWO WEEKS AGO, YOU FUCKING RETARD!"?

      If the answer to all of the above is yes. Please, for the love of God, stop sending SMSs to their personal phone. They will never come back and they don't care you get fired if you don't make it to the shipping date.

    14. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Can someone explain how employers in "at will" states deal with employees leaving? It seems like they could just announce one Tuesday at 5 PM that they found a new job and won't be in tomorrow, leaving the employer completely screwed. No hand-over period, just suddenly they need to find someone and hope they can take over what that person was doing.

      I'd have thought that employers would having well defined notice periods.

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    15. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 2

      If 70% of your salary is not enough to make ends meet, you are living well beyond your means.

      Welcome to America!

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    16. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 2

      I work in an "at will" state, and yes, anyone can leave at any time.
      However, HR will inform you that leaving before the normally accepted two weeks notice means you won't be considered for employment there again.

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    17. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by pla · · Score: 1

      Hah! I've defeated your algorithm - With the exception of #5 (and somewhat #2 - I put in my 40+ hours, but have never really done all that well at making sure they happen between 9am and 5pm), I do all of those regularly!

    18. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by pla · · Score: 3, Informative

      If 70% of your salary is not enough to make ends meet, you are living well beyond your means.

      Most states cap that - Mine caps it at just about $350/week. That doesn't even cover my mortgage.

    19. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by pnutjam · · Score: 2

      Unemployment pays peanuts. The trick is to get your notice in first, then they are required to pay you for whatever notice period they require even if they walk you out of the building.

    20. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by pnutjam · · Score: 2

      I agree, I don't negotiate. I expect to be treated fairly and valued, or I will get that somewhere else. I'm the Ron White of employees.

    21. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Subtle things like...
      - Not being so darn stubborn when a salesperson sells a 12 month project to be delivered in 3 months.
      - Taking up leave days, even though running behind on schedule.
      - No longer working late or taking work home.
      - Generally being cheerful and somehow more "care free".

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    22. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      A. It tops out at $450/week in California
      B. It took me 10 months of appeals to see $0.01

      If I had structured debt or other liabilities I would have been homeless.

    23. Re: Managers need an algorithm for that? by jsepeta · · Score: 4, Informative

      underwear is for suckers

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    24. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by elrac1 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like they wanted you to leave. I had the same thing happen to me, then I found out a month later it was because I was being marked to be laid off.

    25. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by BVis · · Score: 4, Informative

      At-will means two things:

      1) They can fire you with no notice and no reason at any time.
      2) You can quit and walk out with no notice and no stated reason at any time.

      On paper, that seems fair. However, it's tilted in the employer's favor because most of the time losing a job is much worse for the employee than it is for the employer.

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    26. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by praxis · · Score: 1

      Well, then that would alter one's *choice* to use unemployment as a *vacation*, which was what started this silly thread.

    27. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by praxis · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      I stand corrected about the 70%, I didn't realize there were caps. I'll revise my statement then.

      If one has a mortgage without enough of an emergency fund to pay that mortgage in the event of a job loss for enough time to downsize to a smaller home, then one is living beyond their means.

      In other words, if something like the loss of one job will cause a financial crisis, one is doing it wrong.

    28. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by pla · · Score: 1

      We agree completely - I didn't mean to disagree with you, just clarifying about UI. :)

    29. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      This is one reason why I normally wear a dress shirt to work (or at least semi-regularly). On the one hand, it means that if I've actually got an interview, nobody will be flagged to it due to what I'm wearing.... on the other hand, management is constantly aware of the fact that it's important to retain me, not just take me for granted.

      The bonus benefit is that dress shirts can actually be much more comfortable than T-shirts (unless it's really hot out, in which case I'll postpone my interviews and wear a T-shirt ;)

    30. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by pla · · Score: 4, Informative

      With the exception of companies that treat employees so abusively that they just leave in the middle of the afternoon in a torrent of obscenities, for the most part it works as follows:

      Employee finds a new job. Employee gives two weeks notice (or more, sometimes). Employer escorts employee off the premises immediately and pays them for two weeks of "vacation".

      or...

      Employee gets called to a random meeting. On entering, employee sees his manager, one HR person, and possibly one random middle-management "witness" (point #1 - If you ever encounter this situation, immediately demand to have your own witness present, because they legally can and will lie to you about every materially relevant aspect of the ensuing discussion). They hand employee a pile of papers, ask for a bunch of signatures (point #2 - You have no obligation to sign a damned thing, this counts as your last bit of leverage to negotiate for things like prolonged severance, and some of it, such as anticompetes, you do not ever want to sign at an exit interview no matter what they offer you). Employer escorts employee off the premises immediately and pays them for two weeks (or as negotiated) of severance pay.

      And yes, for any European friends reading this, that counts as the norm in most of the US. Companies really only deviate from that script in one situation - They so desperately need the employee that the employee actually leaving would temporarily cripple a significant portion of the company. In that case, they play nice and pretend to let you stick around for an extra two weeks - Meanwhile, your computer access drops to the point that you can't do anything but play solitaire (if even that), and you suddenly have a shadow ostensibly there to "facilitate" your knowledge dump (because rookies from security make excellent facilitators, of course).

    31. Re: Managers need an algorithm for that? by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'd prefer the suckers took off my underwear first.

    32. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Thanks. I suppose it depends on the company. Those that need highly skilled staff where leaving one day can screw them badly might not like it, but those where workers are basically disposable will love it.

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    33. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by operagost · · Score: 1

      Not sure I agree on the dress shirt comfort, but dress slacks are definitely more comfortable than stupid khakis or other casual slacks.

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    34. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by JohnFen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, this. And that's worse than it sounds because when potential employers call to confirm your work history there, the key question they will ask is "are they eligible for rehire?" "Yes" is taken as "they were a decent employee", and "No" is taken as "stay far away from them."

    35. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      I'm the Ron White of employees.

      Were I am employer, I would never hire Ron White. Unless I ran a comedy club. And then only if he promises to bring his blue collar friends around every so often to do shows. But they can't use the bathrooms, they'll have to go next door to the Chinese restaurant.

    36. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Good thing it's never possible to lose ones job during a soft real estate market. Or be new to the job market and start with a company that soon fails. Or have unexpected health related costs. Or you know, anything else that even a smug bastard might find financially difficult to deal with. I'm amazed how anit-people you folks are over there.

    37. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by wisnoskij · · Score: 2

      Well more like it makes sense to have redundant employees so that no single one can cost you big by moving out. But then all things equal the company who pays for redundant talent will go bankrupt competing with the company that has just coasted on luck for the last decade or less.

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    38. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by digitalPhant0m · · Score: 2

      If 70% of your salary is not enough to make ends meet, you are living well beyond your means.

      Or a home owner.

    39. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Have they been an employee for more than one day? If so they may already be considering other employment opportunities.

    40. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by afidel · · Score: 2

      If the loss of any one employee can cost the business millions then it is in their interest to make sure that there is another person who can perform that job. In IT disaster preparedness planning we often refer to this as the hit by the bus disaster where a key individual is taken out of action without warning. Any well run company will have identified these key people and will have planned to cross train others in their department to at least pick up the daily tasks they perform until a replacement can be hired and trained.

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    41. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      I agree contently. And any well run individual will have put awaycapital out of every paycheck and have enough liquidity to get through a tough spot with mortgage payments and food if something unexpected happened. This is often referred to as a hit by the bus disaster. We do not know what might happen, but there are a number of things that can happen and require a lot of money to get through. Maybe you were hit my a bus, and the insurance is trying to weasel out of it, or your employment situation changed and you are unable to get a job for months. Luckily for them government and private help abound, but are not always instant and are not ubiquitous.
      And yet people can just live by the seat of their pants, yes it is more dangerous but it is possible, because the government has been putting money away incase you lose your job. The government does nothing for the corporation who loses an employee.

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    42. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by just+another+AC · · Score: 2

      Subtle things like...
      - Not being so darn stubborn when a salesperson sells a 12 month project to be delivered in 3 months.
      - Taking up leave days, even though running behind on schedule.
      - No longer working late or taking work home.
      - Generally being cheerful and somehow more "care free".

      So other than the first point, an employee is about to leave when they try to strike some kind of sensible work life balance... says something pretty sad about our industry.

    43. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by will_die · · Score: 1

      Item 1 is really wrong. There is a list of items and times at the federal level that cannot be used as a reason for firing you, also in the at will states I have worked at they also have rules on items that cannot be used for firing. In addition if you have items in your contract that prevent it they cannot fire you with no notice, also if you have an employee handbook which talk about firing those are considered as being a contract in most states.

    44. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 1

      However, it's tilted in the employer's favor because most of the time losing a job is much worse for the employee than it is for the employer.

      This really depends on the situation. A key employee with a lot of domain knowledge about the employer's business, process, and systems is worth a lot. He or she can demand to be compensated well for that, and build up enough of a cushion to weather any storm.

      I'm in a situation like that with my current client. I've been with them so long that I am very valuable to them and I charge accordingly. And this isn't through any nefarious action on my part--everything I do and know, I document in the client's wiki--but it would take a new person a long ramp-up time to digest all of that documentation. My client can let me go with no notice, and I assume that they will someday, but that will be a weighty decision on their part due to what it will cost to replace me. On the other hand, from my point of view, I keep 6 months worth of expenses just sitting in cash, plus I have a HELOC, plus a wife who is also highly-compensated, plus a decent net worth should the previously-mentioned sources of sustenance prove insufficient to weather the storm.

      In other words, if/when my client lets me go, I will just shrug my shoulders and go find my next gig, but my client will have to invest heavily in my replacement.

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    45. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 1

      Employee finds a new job. Employee gives two weeks notice (or more, sometimes). Employer escorts employee off the premises immediately and pays them for two weeks of "vacation".

      For what it's worth, I've never had that happen to me. I've always worked my last 2 weeks doing knowledge transfer.

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    46. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by BVis · · Score: 1

      Will they go out of business if you leave? Will they suddenly be unable to see a doctor, or pay the mortgage, or be unable to find work due to the fact that they were fired or are currently unemployed?

      It's good planning on your part to have a cushion built up. But most people are living paycheck-to-paycheck, and are at most 3 or 4 paychecks away from bankruptcy. Your employer has a much greater ability to trash your entire lifestyle than you do to take the business down (especially if you no longer work there). You'll be buried in legal paper if you try.

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    47. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 1

      Will they go out of business if you leave?

      Absolutely not. But it will be very expensive to replace me.

      Will they suddenly be unable to see a doctor, or pay the mortgage, or be unable to find work due to the fact that they were fired or are currently unemployed?

      If I were to separate from my client, it would not affect doctors, mortgages, or finding work. I am not an employee, so I don't not obtain my health insurance through my client. My mortgage payment is will within my means, and I have never had difficulty finding work. I'm not the worlds foremost expert in my field or anything like that, but I'm good enough at what I do that I'm not concerned.

      As a consultant, I've been let go many times before and really, I'm telling you, it's not a big deal. It's not a catastrophe--it's just how the business goes. I'm not supposed to be a permanent fixture, although it's kind of become that lately.

      Your employer has a much greater ability to trash your entire lifestyle than you do to take the business down

      My client could not trash my lifestyle if they tried, and I have precisely zero interest in behaving unprofessionally. I certainly have zero interest in trying to "take the business down"! I'm here to be helpful, and if I'm no longer adding value, then it only makes sense for me to move on to some other organization.

      I understand that many people don't have the luxury of not worrying about their job. But with proper expense management and a bit of good fortune, it's definitely possible to position yourself so that a job loss is a "no big deal" type of event.

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    48. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Have you ever actually looked at downsizing? I have friends who have a very nice house, which children who have moved out. When they got into financial trouble, they looked at downsizing. Given the costs of selling, buying, and moving, it would be expensive up front and it would take a LONG time to start saving money.

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    49. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Suppose I'm fired for my age, sex, race, refusal to give BJs in the C-level suites, whatever illegal reason you want. I won't be told that I'm being fired because I'm a sixty-one-year-old white male US citizen, but some other BS reason that is legal (or no reason will be given at all). Proving illegal discrimination is really difficult unless the company is being really stupid.

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    50. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Last time I was laid off, we were paid for the last day, not closely watched, and assisted in packing, although my system access had been revoked while we were in the meeting. However, I agree: do NOT sign anything at that meeting. Take it with you and consult with a lawyer. There was one unpleasant provision that could well have cost me a significant sum of money.

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    51. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      That works for European employers, it's much harder to fire someone in general than it is in the USA.

      I get the impression from reading this site that the US is a pretty shit place to live.
      Here in Australia, outside of the elite high performance places that attract fuckwits (banks, lawyers etc), most jobs are just jobs. You come in, do your shit, have some laughs and leave. When you've had enough you find another job and this is accepted as a normal part of life, you have a party and you move on.
      I've been working 20 years and had more than 20 jobs, the longest just over 2 years. Most people here will openly say they've had their fill and ready to move on, and everyone will support them in their personal journey.
      I have had one experience when it wasn't like that, Ironically working for an American immigrant boss. His style sounds like what you describe, treat his staff like shit, burn them out until they leave then shit on the next guy. Unfortunately for him we don't work like that here and his boss figured out what was going and he got the axe. Treating people like humans goes a long way to a productive workplace.

    52. Re:Managers need an algorithm for that? by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Completely unfair. A loss of an employee has (in most cases) less than 1% impact on a business. A loss of a job has 100% impact on your ability to pay your rent and eat. I am thankful I live in a "socialist" country where laws are designed to protect people's rights.

  3. Hits Home by DumbSwede · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This type of monitoring makes me nervous.

    I have a job where a few years ago I looked at some job opportunities on a Job Site. The very next day my manager came to me asking if I was happy with my job, which in general I was, but I was unnerved that they knew I was looking at the other options. I suspect they used a honey pot job listing. I decided my job security at that time was more important than looking for other opportunities so I stopped looking altogether. If I was to job hunt to today I would do so much more surreptitiously and under a pseudonym, at least initially.

    I am well compensated at my job, but dislike the idea that they are aware of my activities outside of work.

    1. Re:Hits Home by bigdavex · · Score: 1

      Were you looking at the job site on a personal or work computer?

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    2. Re:Hits Home by DumbSwede · · Score: 1

      From home. The main reason I think they have a honeypot listing.

    3. Re:Hits Home by ultranova · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I am well compensated at my job, but dislike the idea that they are aware of my activities outside of work.

      You dislike it and the employer likes it for the same reason: it makes you position on the job market worse. And since they already have a stronger position, there's little you can do about it short of unionizing. But unionizing makes above average talent relatively - though not necessarily absolutely - worse off, and everyone likes thinking they're better than average. That combination of ego and selfishness is easy to turn into a weapon to make people act against their own best interests: all you have to do is tell them they deserve it better than someone else, and will get their due if they only forget solidarity with them. And when it's their turn to be eaten, there's none left to stand with them, so they fall.

      Not that it really matters. The revolution of the proletariat failed, but it seems the bourgeoisie is perfectly capable of destroying the entire superstructure their might depends on without anyone's assistance. You can't have a business without customers, you can't have customers if people don't have money, and they can't get money without wages or social security. The only real question is: with communism discredited, what happens when the downward spiral reaches the point of no return? You can't maintain social cohesion without any kind of ideology when bread and circuses stop coming. Will we see the return of fascism, will someone come up with something entirely new, or will civilization simply collapse?

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    4. Re:Hits Home by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      This type of monitoring makes me nervous.

      Those who are not guilty of something have nothing to fear. Right? The rest of us can sleep easier knowing that someone is watching.

    5. Re:Hits Home by danbert8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes indeed. That's what happened to me. A "safety violation" when you get back from a work trip leaves you jobless and without benefits... Don't spend a lot of time thinking about getting a new job. When you decide it isn't working out, find something else, don't do what I did and make an elaborate plan to quit on a certain day next year and then take a nice vacation.

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    6. Re:Hits Home by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      Also, don't expect HR to follow their own company policies or the integrity department to review the circumstances of your BS firings. They won't... They also won't tell your former co-workers why you aren't there. Lack of information is their friend.

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    7. Re:Hits Home by Immerman · · Score: 1

      It's a damned shame communism has been so thoroughly discredited, considering that it's never actually been tried on a large scale:

      Communism has the workers owning the means of production, while the only "attempts" have involved the government owning the means of production. Those are only compatible if the workers own the government, and I don't think that's ever been the case of any government in the history of human civilization. *Certainly* it wasn't the case in any of the so-called "communist" countries.

      So maybe what happens is we need to work out a way to have the population meaningfully own the government - with that we might not even need communism. If we can just keep the fat cats at the top from consuming the vast bulk of our productivity then there's more than enough to go around.

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    8. Re:Hits Home by scamper_22 · · Score: 1

      I used to be really concerned about it. Heck, I still am.
      What do we do when computing and automation reduces mass jobs?
      What happens when population growth stops?
      What happens when the West stops getting the best people from developing countries? ...

      I really have no idea of the answer to any of these questions. Yet, what I do know is the powers that be will do everything to keep it going.

      Communism is discredited, but I wouldn't count it out (i'm being genuinely neutral here). I've been hearing for years that interest rates will go up to 'normal'. Yet, it seems they've been able to pretty much make 0-1% the new normal. Quantitative easing or whatever financial games they do at that level seems pretty common place too. Automation and efficiency's are helping keep inflation under control.

      Basically, the governments/banks are able to basically have infinite spending in this manner and thus the ability to control the economy. They can dictate how much is spent on public services, how much to give to the elderly, how much to give to companies, how much to spend on R&D/startsup, how much to invest in the military...

      Things keep on chugging along. Now I'm under no illusion. It could come crashing down any second now, but at the same time, they could simply keep this system chugging along.

      Most people are already convinced of the need to keep the governmnet/banking stimulus, and most people like stability, and most is so abstracted today that it doesn't really matter anymore. We could very well end up with communism or something like that. We'd just have less force and probably involve banking/consumerism at some level. But the idea of a government run economy with all parts focusing on creating jobs/getting things the leaders deem need doing done. It's like we're already there. eh?

      I'm not saying if it is good or bad, but it is interesting to see it develop. Bankers are pretty much onside with progressives/socialists now in terms of free money. Bankers don't want growth to stop and progressives/socialists need free money for the public sector and other spending. About the only ones against it are libertarians/anarchists. Maybe they can be placated with some kind of guaranteed income, and they can move out of the expensive areas and have a low cost sustained living.

    9. Re:Hits Home by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

      If your manager has time to troll through your web activity, and what job sites you are looking at, then he has WAYYYY too much free time. If a company allows web traffic to those sites, but then flags management when that happens, that is f#$ked.

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    10. Re:Hits Home by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was counting on an exit interview to air some grievances (legitimate, maybe some petty...) but HR pretty much just ignored me until I left.

    11. Re:Hits Home by schnell · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Communism has the workers owning the means of production, while the only "attempts" have involved the government owning the means of production. Those are only compatible if the workers own the government, and I don't think that's ever been the case of any government in the history of human civilization. *Certainly* it wasn't the case in any of the so-called "communist" countries.

      The irony here is that capitalism actually provides the most direct way for workers to own the means of production - through holding equity in the company. The ownership of any individual is miniscule (other than founders, executives, etc.) but there are numerous examples of "employee-owned" companies in which the Marxist ideal has been more fully realized than in any Communist nation to date.

      There is also an inherent contradiction in every attempt to date to implement a Communist government. As you point out, if the government owns the means of production, the workers don't own it in turn unless they have control of the government, which can only be accomplished through Democracy. Every Communist government established during the 20th century was a single-party or totalitarian state, but arguably that's unavoidable because you will never find a Communist government (not talking about Socialist, but Communist) that is freely elected by a majority of its citizens because many aspects of Communism involve taking away property, land, etc. from the people who currently own it in order to "share" it among the population. Communism has historically always come to power through revolution or outside imposition, and human nature makes it highly unlikely for those who have won power in that way to ever risk losing it through enabling Democracy.

      So I think history tends to prove for us that the ideal of a Communist state on a large scale achieving its original goal of worker ownership of the means of production to be inherently flawed. Then again, it can also be argued that the Marxist idea of Communism was a response to an Industrial Revolution status quo which has changed dramatically in the past 150 years and needs to be largely rethought to have modern relevance anyway...

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    12. Re:Hits Home by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      It could even be a case of a recruiter seeing your name show up on the site, and contacting your company's HR person to inquire about you. Remember: this is an opportunity for a pay raise. If you feel threatened by your company knowing you might be considering other work, you probably need to consider other work. Get your name out there to the point where recruiters are contacting you and your company trying to hire you away instead of you having to go look for other work. The company will see you as an asset they want to keep, and value you accordingly. And if they don't, well, someone else will. Completely staying away from the job market just guarantees that when you eventually lose your job, you're going to have a tough time getting a new one.

    13. Re:Hits Home by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Yes, capitalism allows, in theory, for workers to own the means of production. In practice it doesn't work out that way. In the US "the 99%" owns, collectively, only about 1% of stock - not enough to make the slightest difference when deciding the course of business decisions, which is what's actually important. Otherwise it's just profit-sharing, not actual ownership. Ownership requires a degree of control.

      As for your statements about Democracy - I agree, except that, so far as I know, we've never had a "Democracy" where the populace maintained control over the government for more than a few decades either - even the best examples see rampant corruption and capture by moneyed interests. We need a dramatic improvement in democratic social technologies (not gadgets, though they may play an enabling part, but in the actual social structures) before any large-scale government, anywhere, can make a reasonable claim to be owned by its populace.

      Which is why I'm completely opposed to any attempt to instate communism until such time as we have a large-scale, time-tested, true democracy, until then it's a fair bet that it will be, like all those "attempts" before it, a naked power grab cynically flying a banner to rally the working-class to its cause. Once we have such a democracy though, well then I see no reason we couldn't give communism a shot, though I'll freely admit it has it's own issues. First own the government, only *then* consider giving it ownership of the world.

      In the mean time, we could do things like encourage employee-owned corporations. At the extreme "communist" end you could have only one voting share per employee, with no other voting shares, but perhaps the potential to sell non-voting shares to raise more capital.

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    14. Re:Hits Home by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      Both communism and a free market have been tried just enough for us to decide that we don't want any of that, thank you.

    15. Re:Hits Home by operagost · · Score: 1

      So maybe what happens is we need to work out a way to have the population meaningfully own the government

      That's how democracy is supposed to work.

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    16. Re:Hits Home by erapert · · Score: 2

      Have you considered the concept of having everyone consume their own productivity? It's literally the workers owning the means of production.

      If they want more then they can produce more. If they don't care then let them produce less. All it requires is that we stand by the principle that "if you don't work then you don't eat".

      Wait... isn't there a name for this already?

    17. Re:Hits Home by maestroX · · Score: 2

      Will we see the return of fascism, will someone come up with something entirely new, or will civilization simply collapse?

      Yes (unrestricted corporatism). Yes (Snowden). Yes (Peak oil).

    18. Re:Hits Home by GWBasic · · Score: 1

      Are you sure they just didn't have some kind of resume harvesting service?

      Specifically, are you sure they didn't have a resume harvesting service that pings them whenever someone with desirable skills floats through?

      Most likely, you have the skills that your employer is looking for.

    19. Re:Hits Home by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Hell, democratic *anything* hasn't really been tried. Get it going and I have a feeling that alone would solve a lot of the ills of our world.

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    20. Re:Hits Home by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Yes. Yes it is. Can't think of anywhere where it actually does though.

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    21. Re:Hits Home by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Right. So how do we get the capitalists in on that action? You know - those people who don't work, but sit on their asses and collect the profits made on their investments. Stop letting them be slackers, and make them pull their own weight with the rest of us instead hording the vast majority of the nation's wealth in a self-catalyzing cycle.

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    22. Re:Hits Home by afidel · · Score: 1

      Yes, capitalism allows, in theory, for workers to own the means of production. In practice it doesn't work out that way. In the US "the 99%" owns, collectively, only about 1% of stock

      This isn't remotely close to true, the total of IRA and defined contribution plan (401k and similar) plan holdings in Q4 2014 totaled $14.2T, over half the total value of the combined NYSE at $16.6T, and NASDAQ at $8.5T. While the 1% hold some of the value in those two categories they are both limited in their total annual contribution amounts so it's actually much less skewed than the overall wealth holdings.

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    23. Re:Hits Home by Immerman · · Score: 1

      And what makes you think the 1% don't have IRA's, 401ks, etc.? We're not talking the ultra-rich 0.01%ers here, the 1% is still mostly white-collar working class.

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    24. Re:Hits Home by afidel · · Score: 1

      Uh, I mentioned that, they do of course own some of those accounts but the total wealth in them owned by the 1% is limited by annual contribution caps. As an example my father has an S corp and is in the bottom of the 1%, he is limited to X dollars per year in contribution and can't contribute anything if the non-principal workers in the corporation don't also have funded retirement accounts with at least x dollars in total contributions.

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    25. Re:Hits Home by ATMAvatar · · Score: 1

      That's actually for the best. It is never in your best interests to air grievances in an exit interview.

      The best-case scenario is that they might pay lip service to your grievances and ultimately ignore them. After all, if they were going to fix any of the problems, they would have done so before you decided to leave.

      The worst-case scenario is that you've now burned all bridges with your current company and any future companies your boss and co-workers ever move to.

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      "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
    26. Re:Hits Home by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Yet, what I do know is the powers that be will do everything to keep it going. [...] It could come crashing down any second now, but at the same time, they could simply keep this system chugging along.

      The problem is, for all their might the Powers That Be are still just the institutions of a particular society. They draw their justification for existence from its mythology, and so are bound by it. And that means they can't, in fact, spend endless amount of money they don't have since that violates the assumptions underlaying our concept of what money is. Nor can those assumptions be altered without sparking an outright revolution, since that would reveal the entire game of masters and servants as what it is: just an option amongst many, not an unalterable law of nature.

      So, what happens is the various Powers do their best to keep the system chugging along, but as it evolves further away from a stable equilibrium their means fail catastrophically one by one. We're currently seeing the effects of one such failure, that of consumer credit. Of course banks could simply continue extending credit ad infinitum without expecting it to be paid back since it's all just numbers, except not really, because that would ultimately reveal money to be nothing but a bookkeeping fiction. So they stopped, cheap credit failed to mask the real situation anymore, and now economy is going through a shock.

      There's going to be more such shocks as more instruments fail in turn. They'll get worse each time, since the already-failed ones are no longer there to help arrest the fall, until finally too much of superstructure is gone to keep the system standing and the crisis turns into death convulsions. In the meantime, expect all the usual trappings of the end of an era, such as various types of fundamentalists and their increasingly desperate struggle for power.

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    27. Re: Hits Home by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Marx pushed for Communism, as in the Communist Manifesto (read it some time, we've actually fully or partly satisfied some of the demands). It wasn't just theory. It was indeed hijacked by Lenin and his followers and successors, but I haven't seen any evidence that it would work on a large scale. I regard it as another utopian fantasy, like hard-core libertarianism. I could be very happy in some of those utopias, but I don't know where to find the intelligent species they'd work for.

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    28. Re:Hits Home by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Actually, clicking on a link could tell them if, say, you're signed into Facebook or Linkedin and the link has a tracker on it. Places like Linkedin and Monster make money selling that kind of information.

  4. Netflix recommendations by QuietLagoon · · Score: 3
    I've not seen any reason to think that the Netflix recommendations are anything to write home about, or even watch.

    .
    The Netflix recommendations I'm watched were out of my range of likes and/or taste.

    So, based upon my experience with the Netflix recommendation algorithm, I'd be wary of this new application.

    1. Re:Netflix recommendations by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 1

      For me the recommendations are about 50/50, which is still much better than going through their whole catalog to find things I like.

    2. Re:Netflix recommendations by PRMan · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I find the recommendations to be 75% stuff I really like and 25% stuff I can't finish. There's no middle ground.

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    3. Re:Netflix recommendations by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      That's because you shared your password

      Password is shared with no one. It is just me watching.

  5. Useless. by stoned_ritual · · Score: 1

    Human interaction? Why bother?! You can sit at your desk and rain fire and brimstone on your peon subordinates, especially the ones who are about to leave! Fire them before they can quit!

  6. Bah, cue the evil ... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course what will happen in reality is companies will use this to maximize the amount of shit and abuse they can heap on employees before they actually leave, and ensure that by the time they do you no longer need to care.

    The sociopaths who run corporations don't give a crap about employee retention or loyalty, just grinding them down into compliance.

    There's no fucking way corporations will use this in some enlightened, self-aware attempt to keep employees happy.

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    1. Re:Bah, cue the evil ... by disposable60 · · Score: 1

      Of course they won't. Caring about the peons doesn't maximize shareholder value.

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  7. Opportunity plus by OzPeter · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Combine this with Googles new automated interview techniques and you can have people being moved automatically from company to company!

    Imagine waking up and getting a message saying

    Dear OzPeter,
    We are sorry to hear that ABC Widget company has let you go. But don't worry, overnight you details were submitted to 14 different companies in your area who subscribe to Googles "Match Me" recruiting service. Based on information automatically provided by ABC Widget co through their Netflix firing algorithm, 9 of those companies bid on you, and we are happy to announce that you are now employed by XYZ Financial services.

    Congratulations on your new position!

    Please see the attached map to find your way to your new place of work.

    Would you like us to update your:
    Facebook status y/n?
    Linked In profile: y/n?
    Twitter account: y/n?
    MySpace page: y/n?

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    1. Re:Opportunity plus by neurovish · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hmmm, well as long as Match Me is smart enough to get a minimum % pay bump with each move, doesn't hire me off to a place too far away, and the work at ABC Widget is interesting....I hate job hunting/interviewing.

    2. Re:Opportunity plus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Like most of the world, Google's Match Me service doesn't even use Google+.

    3. Re:Opportunity plus by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 2

      Yeah; as long as it did a good job and knew that I value work/life balance more than pay, I'd be pretty happy with such a system.

    4. Re:Opportunity plus by grumpy_old_grandpa · · Score: 1

      That's not how it will work. It will be more like this:

      http://marshallbrain.com/manna...

      "Oh, you were fired from your last job? Well, there's 100 M others in the pool of wage slaves to pick from. Good bye".

  8. the algorithm by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    Question 1) are you taking them for granted? --> Yes - oh no, they are leaving soon!
      |
    No - goto Question 1

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  9. You Don't Know Jack...on Netflix? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
    On a slightly different slant....

    ON Netflix their application (MAX) to help you choose something to watch , has a voice actor and general humor and feel of the old CD game (and later online too I think) "You Don't Know Jack".

    Has anyone else noticed this? I wonder if this is by the old YDKJ folks? Those quizzes were funny and fun I always thought. MAX on Netflix sure seems a lot like You Don't Know Jack.

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    1. Re: You Don't Know Jack...on Netflix? by jonathonjones · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it is by the same people.

    2. Re:You Don't Know Jack...on Netflix? by sam1am · · Score: 1

      When I did corporate benefits enrollment last year, we had a tool called "Alex," which was also created by Jellyvision. Brought back great memories of YDKJ.

    3. Re:You Don't Know Jack...on Netflix? by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      THAT"s the one.. Jellyvision!!!

      I loved those games...so funny.

      Glad they're still around.

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    4. Re: You Don't Know Jack...on Netflix? by C0R1D4N · · Score: 2

      They still make them. The jackbox party pack is on steam and consoles, you use your smartphone as the buzzer now. It is nifty

  10. Silly valley Talent war? by plopez · · Score: 2

    Really? When they throw away people over 40 and over 50% of the population is considered unqualified due to being the wrong gender there is no talent shortage, but management myopia. You have to wonder how many 'restless employees' are looking because they know they will soon be thrown away.

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    1. Re:Silly valley Talent war? by plopez · · Score: 1

      "About "wrong gender" - it is again accountants - if one gender may cause higher risk of litigation - company has to minimalize that risk, right?"

      But women work for lower salaries than men. That does not make sense.

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  11. conversely. by nimbius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Im sure an easy algorythm can be generated for when management is about to push a valuable employee out the door:

    1. have you turned every change or alteration into a mindless bureaucratic rats nest of meetings and superfluous documentation that could best be handled through email?
    2. Have you allowed the most vocal customers and users to continuously abuse his talent and divert his attention to helpdesk issues that make you look good at his expense?
    3. Have you refused to consider his technical opinion on the design or development of a product or solution and instead just done what the sales rep told you or what would cause the least number of meetings or beurocratic effort?
    4. Have you placed overwhelming reliance on him to micromanage his coworkers changes and projects instead of working to ensure they properly document and communicate instead? did he receive a silent promotion to assitant management?

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  12. We already have this for employees by netsavior · · Score: 1

    Employees - Am I in the united states and an At-Will employment state, you are about to be let go

    Am I in any G8 country other than USA, your country protects its citizens, and the corporation is required to notify you, and provide a reason if you will be let go.

    1. Re:We already have this for employees by netsavior · · Score: 1

      I live in Texas, for as long as my corporate overlords allow it... so I am bitter.

    2. Re:We already have this for employees by BVis · · Score: 1

      I'm a salesperson and I am about to get this 5-6 figure comission. You dismiss me with no cause or a bogus one. I can still turn around and sue you for wrongful termination.

      That's a little different. In that case your commission would be unpaid wages, and the DOL would be able to get involved.

      Most of the time, though, their lawyers can beat up your lawyers.

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  13. Re:"valuable employees" by Needs2BeSaid · · Score: 1

    This is uncomfortable to read but it's true.

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  14. I have one too by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    After a 25+ year employee quit we looked at her e-mails. The outgoing ones to another former employee stated that she hated the new employees, they wouldn't listen to her at all even though she was their supervisor, and the company was still in crap shape and run poorly. If you read between the lines, or even just the lines, you might suspect she was about to leave. Also I think she mentioned that she was about to leave.

  15. Re:but it's ok to toss the lower class out anytime by Needs2BeSaid · · Score: 2

    The "children of privilege" fund Research and Development projects that lead to medical and technological advancements. Bill Gates gives more to charity in a week than you will give over your entire lifetime.

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  16. Let me help you with adding more time to that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you give an employee an awesome review, but tell him that due to your budget, you can only give a cost of living increase.

    Or here's one the really pissed me off. I was working for a body shop and coming off a contract. The sales/recruiter/commissioned guy asks what kind of rate would I like for the next contract. OK.

    So, I go up to computerjobs, type in my skills, experience, area and find that other W-2 contractors/temps were getting at least $5/hr more than I was. So, that's what I told the sales/recruiter/commissioned guy.

    "That's a pretty big increase."

    Excuse me. THEY are going to bill at market rates so why shouldn't I get market rates? My next contract was with another company that gave me $11/hr more. Yeah, this was in the late nineties - so, keep that in mind.

    Here's another one that kills me.

    You're working 12 hour days and ask your boss about getting more help - and entry level guy. And you explain that it will also develop more talent for the company.

    He says, "No, see we can't get anyone qualified."

    Now, I like getting my ego stroked as well the next guy, but frankly what I was doing wasn't rocket science. Then I overheard the stuff about the minimum ROI they have to make on a developer. That's right, they need to make 45% over your total compensation (salary, benefits, SS payments, etc ...). Some companies it's even more. So, they work you to death, tell you your awesome and that everyone else is too stupid to do what you're doing so, keep working hard you genius. Why hire two developers for when you can get one guy to kill himself?

    All of us were eventually canned and the work sent overseas.

    1. Re:Let me help you with adding more time to that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I would have loved a cost of living increase for that past handful of years I haven't got a raise worth talking about. I had great reviews but a fraction of a percent increase was given because of budget issues. Either way I no longer work for that company and from what I hear management has been causing a bloodbath with lay offs, cuts and requesting forced overtime.

    2. Re:Let me help you with adding more time to that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you give an employee an awesome review, but tell him that due to your budget, you can only give a cost of living increase.

      One of the reasons I left a small company (and don't work for them anymore either): getting told by the owner himself that they can't afford to give me a raise this year then not even a month later seeing his new sports car and finding out about the mini-mansion that he's building for himself. That business went under not even a year after I jumped ship.

    3. Re:Let me help you with adding more time to that. by maestroX · · Score: 1

      Take care of yourself and note any favors; before 3 there should be something to balance.
      If not leave, perhaps a job with lower wage or out as a contractor.

  17. Annual bonuses came around recently... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My company allots bonuses based on the performance of the division you are in. Roughly Base_salary * responsibility% * personal_perf * division_perf = bonus amount. So $50k * 20% * 1 * 1 = $10k. If you change divisions during the year, your bonus is calculated as the # of days in each division

    My division is engineers, product design and innovation. We didn't make a profit, but we hit our targets, inspite of headcount reductions. We were assigned a much below 1x multiplier on the bonus.

    Corporate division is accountants and execs, whose only target was to reduce ongoing costs (ie. slash headcount):. They got a much greater than 1x bonus multiplier. I assume that's because they "took the hard decision of laying folks (in other divisions) off"

    I know, because due to a snafu during an internal transfer I was briefly in the corporate division and a few days of the payout is at the corporate rate.

  18. Just connect on linkedin by daveywest · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I pretty much know when cow-irkers are leaving by paying attention to their activity on Linkedin. Employees that are happy aren't polishing up their online resume and padding their community involvement and awards.

    1. Re:Just connect on linkedin by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I thought everyone deleted their LinkedIn profiles when their user database leaked out. Well, I did.

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      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    2. Re:Just connect on linkedin by GWBasic · · Score: 1

      Ironically, I won't update my Linkedin until after I change jobs. I get so much recruiter spam, that I really don't want to advertise the skills that I have.

  19. Make this work for you. by onkelonkel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Make this work for you.

    1. Once in a while, casually mention to your boss how tired you are of recruiters emailing/calling/texting you all the time.

    2. Tell a coworker your going to be a little late coming back from lunch with your buddy from $Your_biggest_competitor.

    3. Tell your boss you have an "appointment" tomorrow, and you need to take an hour off. Show up the next day wearing your best suit and tie.

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    None of them can see the clouds; The polished wings don't care.
    1. Re:Make this work for you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You forgot step 0:

      0. Make sure you are actually considered a valuable employee...

    2. Re:Make this work for you. by gr33nlantern · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you weren't a particularly good manager, keeping talent around like that. I can never understand companies/orgs that keep people around that habitually under-perform.

    3. Re:Make this work for you. by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Getting someone off of a government contract is not easy.

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      love is just extroverted narcissism
  20. It predicts when valuable employees are by mark_reh · · Score: 1

    about to leave. What about the valueless employees? You know, the ones who actually do the work and can be replaced with a phone call...

  21. Re:Talk to your staff? by stoned_ritual · · Score: 1

    "Talk to your staff and treat them like fucking humans"

    You can have that algorithm for free, you soul-sucking corporate bastards.

    This. My last boss was a jeckyl and hyde type and he only tried to act like a person after i quit. He sent me an email letting me know how much extra stress i cause him and his business.

  22. Re:but it's ok to toss the lower class out anytime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    sure Bill Gates gives back, but he takes much more away first

  23. Re:but it's ok to toss the lower class out anytime by BVis · · Score: 1

    Sure, they write the checks. But it's the lower classes that do the actual work. Which would be fine, if the lower classes shared in any success the company had.

    "Hey, I just created $x that's going to make us a billion dollars!"
    "Attaboy!"

    That's it. The rich get richer off the hard work of other people.

    --
    Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
  24. How to tell if your top Developers are leaving: by netsavior · · Score: 1

    Haircut, beard trim

    1. Re:How to tell if your top Developers are leaving: by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Haircut, beard trim

      ... not replenishing their Hot Pockets supply in the break-room freezer.

  25. Bad Management by PPH · · Score: 1

    This is something that every manager should be aware of: subordinates promotions, salary increases, job functions, etc. So now an important function of management is being replaced by a small shell script.

    This will be the basis of my algorithm for timing a divestiture from a corportion. When the boss' function can be replaced by a laptop.

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    Have gnu, will travel.
  26. Not a Netflix Algorithm by CrankyFool · · Score: 2

    The article summary is, if not inaccurate, misleading. Sabah left Netflix almost three years ago, and now works for Workday.

    This is an important distinction because A) Workday can make a reasonable case for this being a valuable product to offer their customers; and B) Netflix cannot (and, speaking as a hiring manager at Netflix, we get a little antsy when it comes to monitoring employees -- it's a pretty laissez faire environment here).

  27. Clarification by DumbSwede · · Score: 1

    My home computer.

    To clarify. It was HR that alerted my Manager. I said the next day, but I may have been looking a few days, a week at the most, though I had probably posted inquiries the night before. It was quite sudden, unexpected, and intimidating. This was probably 5-6 years ago. As stated I am with the same company, outside this incident they have treated me well. I don't consider myself a star employee, their concern seemed more of the "Oh my gosh, we really hope you are happy here" kind. Still it caused me to stop looking. I have been coasting on my skills for several years now. I worry that should I leave this job I might find myself under-qualified for what comes next, that and that fact I am well over 50. So yes, I have let fear rule me in this instance. For those who would fault me for this, I am a family man, and at this stage in my life security and stability are greatly valued.,

  28. Easy algorithm by nobuddy · · Score: 1

    Firewall log shows employee spends all day on dice, Monster, and the like? HAs there been recent browsing of suits and professional dress?
    Employee is about to leave.

  29. Tragedy of the Commons Writ Large by careysub · · Score: 2

    ... You can't have a business without customers, you can't have customers if people don't have money, and they can't get money without wages or social security...

    What we have here is the situation when corporate power, and the power of the financial elite, takes over all aspects of government policy. It transforms the entire consumer market based economy into the Tragedy of the Commons.

    Every corporation aims to to fatten its bottom line, stock price, and C-Suite compensation package by reducing the wages of its labor force. It is a rational micro-decision, just as grazing as many sheep as possible on the commons is rational for the individual farmer, but it destroys in the long run the basis of the whole economy - a nation full of consumers with lots of money to spend on products. The majority of the increases in corporate profitability, and the source of the exploding CEO paychecks, over the last quarter century have come from holding wage payouts flat (or reducing them. Increased productivity stopped being linked to worker compensation a full 45 years ago, an entire working lifetime. As the proportion of wages that make up the economy fall to the lowest level since the Great Depression the engine that drives the growth of the U.S. economy is running out of fuel, now an anemic 2.38%, compared to the long term mean of 4.41%.

    But hey, the CEOs are happy!

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    Starships were meant to fly, Hands up and touch the sky - Nicky Minaj
  30. Re:Do not invest in this startup by afidel · · Score: 1

    Err, have you looked at the macro numbers? There are more unfilled positions then there are workers looking for work, the problem is matching skills with needs, so most well run companies are looking to retain talented and productive workers at this point in the cycle. This is especially true in IT where unemployment topped out at ~5% and is at ~2.5% today.

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  31. reverse algorithm by deodiaus2 · · Score: 1

    How about an algorithm which tells you if it is time to leave your current job and where there might be greener pastures.
    The factors involved might be:
    Your salary compared to those around you.
    Contracts landed or performance of competitors and market.
    Your performance relative to others.
    Your leverage (favors).
    Ability to relo.