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Former HP CEO Carly Fiorina Announces Bid For White House

seven of five writes: According to Reuters, "Former Hewlett-Packard Co Chief Executive Carly Fiorina announced on Monday she is running for president, becoming the only woman in the pack of Republican candidates for the White House in 2016. ... Fiorina registers near the bottom of polls of the dozen or so Republican hopefuls and has never held public office. But she has already attracted warm receptions at events in the early voting state of Iowa where she is positioning herself as a conservative, pro-business Republican highly critical of Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton. Fiorina was forced by HP to resign in 2005 as the tech company struggled to digest Compaq after a $19 billion merger."

As part of her announcement, she said, "I think I'm the best person for the job because I understand how the economy actually works. I understand the world, who's in it, how the world works." I'm sure we'll soon begin hearing from all the HP employees, current and former, who have nothing but love for Carly F.

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  1. "The Ego" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Carly "The Ego" Fiorina.

    Her ego covers a land mass the size of Maine.

    1. Re:"The Ego" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, just like everybody else running for president?

    2. Re:"The Ego" by pla · · Score: 5, Funny

      Whoah whoah whoah there!

      We use standard units around here, none of that "furlongs per fortnight" crap.

      You'll need to rephrase that in multiples of Rhode Island, please.

    3. Re:"The Ego" by bkmoore · · Score: 5, Funny

      Whoah whoah whoah there! We use standard units around here, none of that "furlongs per fortnight" crap...

      How many British Thermal Units per hour is she capable of performing when at peak capacity?
      For extra credit: What is the BTU/h per stone, i.e. specific power?
      Please show all unit conversions and penmanship counts.

    4. Re:"The Ego" by David_Hart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Carly "The Ego" Fiorina.

      Her ego covers a land mass the size of Maine.

      They had a short piece on her this morning on NPR. She was attacking Hilary Clinton on not having enough experience in leadership, etc. I found it quite amusing. Like or hate Hilary, she has way more government experience (for better or worse) in her little pinky than Carly Fiorina.

    5. Re:"The Ego" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      [L]ike or hate Hilary, she has way more government experience (for better or worse) in her little pinky than Carly Fiorina.

      That's not Fiorina's target demographic. In fact, they're the polar opposite. While Clinton has experience, it's all government experience (most of which is as a first lady). No doubt Fiorina will talk about how "government is broken" as her platform. It will take a "business leader" willing to make the "hard decisions" to make government "work for the people."

      All B.S. Bernie Sanders 2016!

    6. Re:"The Ego" by argStyopa · · Score: 2

      One might point out that makes 2 massively egotistical women on the campaign trail, then?

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    7. Re:"The Ego" by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The 'muh sexism!' cry is unnecessary, especially in this case. Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Larry Ellison(!!), and others have also (credibly) been accused of having monster-sized egos...

      Seriously, when it comes to big egos, Scott McNealy (dude who used to run Sun Microsystems) had an ego large enough to carry it's own gravitational pull.

      You can be a CEO without having an ego large enough to require its own zip code... tons of examples out there (even deep within the Fortune 500), but you don't hear about them as much because they tend to focus on their work, not their public image.

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    8. Re:"The Ego" by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Funny

      How big is her ego exactly? Can you express it in Donald Trumps? (The standard measure of ego size.)

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    9. Re:"The Ego" by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      She's also always wrong.

      This is the key issue. Some of the other candidates have demonstrated competence in executive management, and others have a legislative record, but it is unclear if they have the skill and talent to make a good president. What sets Carly apart is an unambiguous record of failure and incompetence in everything she has ever done.

    10. Re: "The Ego" by slaker · · Score: 3, Informative

      She crafted and presented a workable health care bill that was torpedoed for political reasons and would have avoided the current clusterfuck the USA has now.

      She also served successfully as secretary of state in an essentially scandal free administration, no matter how much republicans wish it were otherwise.

      I'll probably vote green party regardless (that's as much throwing away my vote in Indiana as voting for a democrat), but I do recognize that she has foreign and domestic policy experience in government.

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    11. Re:"The Ego" by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Funny

      How big is her ego exactly? Can you express it in Donald Trumps? (The standard measure of ego size.)

      Wrong. The standard unit of ego is the microtrump. A full trump is way too big for any practical use. That would be like expressing the power of your lawnmower motor as 1.2e-34 solar outputs.

    12. Re:"The Ego" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Her actual fault was that she came from marketing; didn't understand technology and never tired to understand it. She poured tons of money into drumming up how great HP is; and little to none in innovation; and made HP from market leader into a mediocre company. IBM ate their lunch in the high-end machines and Dell in consumer products; the only thing that was profitable were their printers; thankfully she had the presence of mind to leave that one alone.

      There is a wide consensus that as a CEO of a technological company she was a failure (fairly easy to research if anybody is interested).

      Exibit A: HP's stock took an upward trend on Feb 2005 (when she was ousted) after languishing for years.

    13. Re:"The Ego" by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 2

      Fiorina doesnt need experience. She would delegate the job to people on minimum wages in China.

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    14. Re: "The Ego" by slaker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, if you were of voting age during the 1992 Presidential elections, you might remember that Bill Clinton was open that he would be working very closely with his wife on the matter. That might have been overshadowed by the spectacle of Ross Perot being a general-purpose sideshow, but it definitely did come up at campaign events and the like.

      With regard to scandal or the lack thereof, the closest thing the Obama administration in general has had to one is probably the standard of care for veterans and specifically at Walter Reed. Benghazi has just been an ongoing conservative circle jerk and the Snowden disclosures have really just highlighted the overreach available LEGALLY to the administration.

      You might say that the State Department under Obama has allowed relations with Israel to sour in favor of greater ties to other states in the region, but it might also be said that Israel is a big-boy country now that doesn't need the USA to enforce its will. Putin's expansionist aims been an ongoing issue since before Obama took office and the case can certainly be made that the US did not need to intervene on the ground in Iran, Libya or Syria in spite of whatever amount of sabre-rattling conservatives have wanted to do to the contrary.

      Bearing that in mind, where do you see scandal in the Obama administration or more specifically in its foreign policy?

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    15. Re: "The Ego" by Calavar · · Score: 4, Informative

      She was also a U.S. Senator for New York for eight years (i.e. Elected twice). But of course, that was also a job that she only got for being Bill Clinton's wife and not because she holds a law degree from Yale University, not because she was a professor of Law at the University of Arkansas, not because she was she was on the congressional legal advisory staff in the Watergate impeachment process, and not because she played an important role in organizing the Carter presidential campaign. Facts.

    16. Re:"The Ego" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Once upon a time HP was known as a technology innovator, in the years that Carly was in charge they became a maker of ink jet cartridges

      When they bought Compaq they had managed to roll up two of the mini and personal computing powerhouses (DEC had just been taken over by Compaq) and effectively shit-canned the technology that came with them and just leveraged the customer base. Compaq computers went from being leading edge innovators to clones and DEC ALPHA chips were intentionally slow-sold in favor of Itanium (they even refused to release Alpha benchmarks because they beat the tar out of HP Itanium Superdome systems)

      So, there was a lot of MBA talk and attempts to score big in quarterly reports that effectively took the heart of of a tech leader (or really leaders) and stomped it to death in front of a horrified tech community

      That is why Carly is so beloved in /.

    17. Re:"The Ego" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you want successful government, never elect anyone who claims that government can never succeed.

    18. Re:"The Ego" by sl3xd · · Score: 3, Funny

      Kayye West Probably scores in the 200-300 milliTrump range.

      His score is severely limited by the fact he went up on stage twice to proclaim that somebody other than himself deserved best artist awards.

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    19. Re:"The Ego" by riverat1 · · Score: 3, Informative

      While Clinton has experience, it's all government experience (most of which is as a first lady).

      Don't forget that Clinton was also a Senator and Secretary of State so she has experience in both the legislative and executive branches.

      I like Bernie Sanders but he's unlikely to get the nomination.

    20. Re: "The Ego" by Dr.+Eggman · · Score: 2

      However, it is only the standard because the nano-Dijkstra unit was too large to be of practical use.

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    21. Re:"The Ego" by FirstOne · · Score: 3, Funny

      Carly Fiorina in January 2004 meeting to head off rising protectionist sentiment in Congress, stated "There is no job that is America's God-given right anymore" on the topic of H1-B's in the USA

      It will be a cold day in hell before I vote for Carly.

    22. Re:"The Ego" by happy_place · · Score: 5, Informative

      I worked for HP during the Carly experience. I've also always voted for the conservative candidate for President. If Carly gets the nomination I WILL change my vote to a different candidate. (Not a huge fan of Hillary either so maybe I'll just throw away my vote on 3rd party candidate... who knows).

      I never felt she dealt honestly with the employees of the company. During those times she orchestrated the destruction of the HP Way, never understanding or trusting it in the least. She had little to no understanding of the technological expertise in the company. She adored IBM's consulting firm which is why she pushed for the acquisition of such companies, and the touting of HP's "e-speak" technology. She simply didn't lead, she spouted buzzwords and followed popular trends, trying to glom onto anything that might be construed as cool/buzzworthy. Though no one in the company had ANY IDEA what it was or how to deploy it in any way. It was ridiculous, I once took a good week trying to figure that out and NO ONE understood what e-speak meant. She spouted the buzzwords ceaselessly. She got rid of company profit sharing and tried to push HP to follow a policy she admired from CISCO at the time of mandatory firing of the bottom 10% of employees in HP regardless of the group. The summer before the Compaq acquisition, she convinced HP employees to donate their bonuses and vacation days back to the company on a voluntary basis so that there wouldn't need to be a lay off, then right prior to 9/11 (She sometimes liked to hide behind the market crashes of 9/11 but that's not the case, the crash occurred before that) she orchestrated the first lay off in HP history EVER. At the time we were told it would be for the welfare of the company and hit areas of the company that would need to be let go, then she promptly acquired Compaq and butchered both companies.

      I see her as fundamentally disingenuous. A macchievellian at heart who will do and say anything to appease her shareholders while disregarding all human cost. So in a way she's ideal for politics, but not my kind anymore. SO no thanks... I'll be voting for the other guy.

      Likewise, I know few employees who didn't feel betrayed by her. Hence they removed her from the board with her millions of bonuses and such to get her to go...

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    23. Re:"The Ego" by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So, there was a lot of MBA talk and attempts to score big in quarterly reports

      And this is the crux of the matter, the focus of scoring big in quarterly reports. This is not hand-waving, purely ideological complaints. When MBA professors mentions *this* as the biggest problem in American corporate culture (can your sense of irony for a second), then this is not idle shit talking.

      Business executives are graded per their deliveries at the next immediate quarter, not in their capacity to create long-term value. That is what a shareholder's economy is all about. And Fiorina is a great example of it.

    24. Re: "The Ego" by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      She was also a U.S. Senator for New York for eight years (i.e. Elected twice). But of course, that was also a job that she only got for being Bill Clinton's wife and not because she holds a law degree from Yale University, not because she was a professor of Law at the University of Arkansas, not because she was she was on the congressional legal advisory staff in the Watergate impeachment process, and not because she played an important role in organizing the Carter presidential campaign. Facts.

      Facts are never important when we look for reasons to hate ;)

    25. Re:"The Ego" by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      so shes the rights hillary clinton? in more ways than gender!

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    26. Re:"The Ego" by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      as a resident of NY, i cant say she did anything at all for the better of our state. and as sec of state.... well what has she done there?

      Its almost as if she took the jobs only so they could say she had those jobs when she runs of president....

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    27. Re:"The Ego" by 31415926535897 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, it's hard to tell, so I propose that we burn her and find out exactly how many BTUs she contains.

    28. Re:"The Ego" by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 2

      "Vote for Hilary! She has not been the worst Secretary of State in US History!"

    29. Re:"The Ego" by Assmasher · · Score: 2

      Be glad that you've never been in the corporate world at a level to watch the incompetent sychophants rise despite clear reasoning why they should be let go (much less 'not promoted.')

      I've seen mid-level executives receive promotions for 'not being in the red' because for the three years they ran a division they re-org'd every year because the years you perform a re-org your numbers were given HUGE discrepancy allowances. One guy lost more than 10 million (on a budget of 7 million) a year for 3 years in a row and was promoted - through this trick.

      Worse, I've known people who were CTOs of actual Silicon Valley tech companies (not huge ones, but worth a couple of hundred millions dollars) who DID NOT KNOW WHAT TCP/IP WAS OR WHAT A SOCKET WAS. Not CIOs, or CISO - CTO. It's okay though, he looked the part, and he said yes all the time.

      Crazy man. Crazy.

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    30. Re:"The Ego" by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And when individual companies do this, like, oh, HP, they pay the price. So, it may be a widespread problem, but it is self-correcting.

      While Carly was CEO, HP lost 65% of its market value. But she walked away with more than $100 Million. So how is that going to self correct?

    31. Re: "The Ego" by jeff4747 · · Score: 2

      That's because in the "IRS Scandal", more liberal organizations faced extra scrutiny than conservative organizations. In other words, the exact opposite of the claims made by those pushing the scandal.

      That keeps being a problem with getting more coverage of all these Obama scandals. They keep not quite turning out to be scandals.

    32. Re:"The Ego" by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 2

      That is not self-correction. It is paying the price. Self-correction in a market, with respect to erroneous decisions, is when the rate of occurrence of that type of errors either diminish over time or the rate remains constant with the negative impact diminishing over time. Neither is the case.

      Ah, I see your problem: you fail to understand elementary economics and think that markets should ennoble the human race!

      I'm sorry to disappoint you: markets don't make people or companies better over time on average; all they do is weed out companies that make bad decisions or that have become obsolete. But they get replaced with the same mix of good and bad companies we already have.

  2. Carly... by adary · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Carly was such an awesome CEO that I left HP after a 12 years successful career. At least I don't live in Murica so I won't have to leave if she gets elected by mistake

    1. Re:Carly... by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Remember back in the 70's & 80's when HP was one of the top 10 companies in the world (including the then invincible Japanese) to work for?

    2. Re:Carly... by OzPeter · · Score: 3, Informative

      Remember back in the 70's & 80's when HP was one of the top 10 companies in the world

      Not only that you could feel smug about owning an HP calculator that used RPN

      (Also HP test gear was the bomb. I know that they sold off that section to someone else, but I have no idea if the current iteration of test gear has the same reputation.)

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    3. Re:Carly... by chuckinator · · Score: 4, Informative

      They spun out Agilent for that role into its own company, so it wasn't a sell off to someone else. I can't speak to the quality of the equipment, but I know they're one of the big shops for that market.

    4. Re:Carly... by OzPeter · · Score: 2

      They spun out Agilent for that role into its own company

      Yeah my memory was dim on that.

      But HP still managed get rid of the business that was the core of what Hewlett and Packard created in their garage.

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    5. Re:Carly... by ArhcAngel · · Score: 3, Informative

      You mean when Agilent and Keysight were Hewlett Packard and they didn't make PC's or printers? Yes I do.

      And I was there the day Carley walked the spine at Compaq with Michael Capellas telling us all what a wonderful thing the merger was. Not a single person believed it would be. My supervisor who had been with the company for years (He had a three digit employee number) was let go shortly before I left for another position.

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  3. LOL LOL OMG.. HAHAHAHA by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 4, Funny

    "I think I'm the best person for the job because I understand how the economy actually works. I understand the world, who's in it, how the world works."

    Oh Carly.. setting yourself up for a stand up career?

    1. Re:LOL LOL OMG.. HAHAHAHA by pushing-robot · · Score: 5, Funny

      She can see the economy from her house!

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    2. Re:LOL LOL OMG.. HAHAHAHA by houghi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Many people understand how it works. What I want to know is how it will be fixed.

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    3. Re:LOL LOL OMG.. HAHAHAHA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Many people understand how it works. What I want to know is how it will be fixed.

      The economy already is fixed. That's the problem.

    4. Re:LOL LOL OMG.. HAHAHAHA by jythie · · Score: 2

      Even if she had been a successful CEO, CEOs have about as much knowledge of 'how the economy works' as web developers have about semiconductor design. She knows how to use the economy, but how it works or how to build an efficient one is a completely different skillset.

    5. Re:LOL LOL OMG.. HAHAHAHA by tompaulco · · Score: 4, Informative

      The country is 18 trillion dollars in debt.

      Being in debt is not so bad if you are making more money from the borrowed money than your debt service is costing you. The reason debt became an evil word is because most Americans use debt to buy things that they can't afford to buy outright and that decrease in value. Debt used to buy a house is not evil debt (although it hasn't paid off well in the last 10 years or so.) Debt used to pay for a vacation because you can't afford the vacation without making payments on it, is bad debt. Debt used to buy a car is bad debt unless you already had the money to pay cash for it and chose to invest that money in something that earns you more than the car loan interest rate.

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    6. Re:LOL LOL OMG.. HAHAHAHA by drooling-dog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The country is 18 trillion dollars in debt.

      And yet investors all over the world are falling over themselves to loan money to Uncle Sam at virtually zero percent interest. If the size of the deficit were considered a big problem by serious money, interest rates would be very much higher than they are.

      That said, it's been a long time (Eisenhower, maybe?) since having Republicans in the White House has been good for deficit reduction!

    7. Re:LOL LOL OMG.. HAHAHAHA by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Or you need the car for work.

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    8. Re:LOL LOL OMG.. HAHAHAHA by Cederic · · Score: 2

      I believe you want definition number 32:
      http://dictionary.reference.co...

  4. All aboard the FAIL train by davydagger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This cycle's slate of republican canidates is so packed with FAIL is unbelievable. Most tollerable in the pack is....Rand Paul, who at least gets a handful of things right. But put her next to Ted "Obamacare for the internet" Cruz, and of course yet another member of the Bush family. Yes Jeb is looking to run in 2016.

    1. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by neoritter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Any more fail than just the Dems Hilary Clinton?

    2. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm so looking forward to watching Sanders kick her ass up and down the block.

    3. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by Kjella · · Score: 2

      The only way a marginal candidate is going to have any chance is if they announce early and get momentum, while the big names can afford to wait and campaign more intensively later.

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    4. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by Jethro · · Score: 3, Funny

      I hope you brought something to read, because you'll be waiting a loooooong time.

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    5. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by Jethro · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think you should run.

      Seriously, can't do any worse, right?

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    6. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Difference is Hillary is electable because she will keep the corporatist status quo in govt. Palin and Fiorina are unelectable because they are flighty buffoons...which makes rational people nervous.

      Personally, wake me when the Republicans put up a serious moderate candidate and I'll consider voting for them again.

    7. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Speaking as someone who would really like a Republican to vote for next election, you're entirely right.

      At the current point of time, anyone that isn't a lying scumbag out for his own would be desirable, nevermind the party affiliation.

      I mean, Obama was a nice future president, no question about it. Just like Carter was a great former president.

      But having a non-sucking current president would be nice for a change. One voting and serving of Obama should have been more than enough, but Romney? Seriously?

      Anybody remember Eisenhower sending the Army South to put weight behind the Supreme Court's decisions against segregation? That guy was pretty serious about the Constitution and the division of powers. And had the guts to go with it. Compared to the current load of leeches and self-servers and despicable cowards, an actual patriot.

    8. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by TWX · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Fiorina's biggest fault is that the thing she's best known for, the thing which built her reputation, is a failure. Clinton is more of a mixed bag. Her tenure as a Senator and as Secretary of State have no glaring failures that define her time in those roles. She has some scandal building lately, but I'm not really sure how much of that is scandal, and how much of that is mudslinging now that the next political season is brewing.

      I tend to stop paying attention to the media regarding political candidates once the campaigning begins, short of comparing their statements pre-candidacy with their statements after they've announced. Typically this is just to look for hypocracy as if a candidate is changing their platform simply to get elected then perhaps they should be passed over.

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    9. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by OhPlz · · Score: 3

      Why are we getting these asshats?

      $$$

    10. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 2

      This cycle's slate of republican canidates is so packed with FAIL is unbelievable. Most tollerable in the pack is....Rand Paul, who at least gets a handful of things right. But put her next to Ted "Obamacare for the internet" Cruz, and of course yet another member of the Bush family. Yes Jeb is looking to run in 2016.

      As a Greek i am used in political families/dynasties (in one way or the other we have a dozen such, running Greece the last century or so!) - the funny thing is that most Greeks pretend to hate it with passion, but it is done very democraticaly actually! I don't find it necessary bad since theoretically it can even be good, like an advertisement: "we [select dynasty] know how to govern [select country] since we do it from [select date] - a long family tradition, so you can relax and enjoy!"

      From what i understand for the American political dynasties, it's not only the Republican party that has them, e.g., the Bush family, the Paul family (which, by they way, is a favorite of mine, both father and son), but you have them in the Democrats also with the Clintons, the Kennedys, etc.

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    11. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by jythie · · Score: 2

      Except for all those reporters they sent to Chicago.

    12. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by thedonger · · Score: 2

      We need Gary Johnson. Which is why we will never get him.

      In my little piss-ant berg of southern CT, we had a chance for a mayor not tied to the Democrat party (the Dem primary is basically the election; The Republican party sends out a candidate just for fun), but when it was clear he was popular and had a good chance to win, the Party made sure their choice was elected. The mainline Dems and Reps are on the same team; they don't really care which side wins, so long as it is one of them.

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    13. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by jandrese · · Score: 5, Funny

      Certainly you have heard of a place called Bengahzi? The Republican attack machine already considers it the worst attack on America since the War of Independence and according to them she personally orchestrated the attacks with help from Khaleid Sheik Mohammad and George Soros. They'll eventually get that report out of Congress saying exactly this if they try enough times.

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    14. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's a very revisionist look at it. The fact of the matter is they sent a lot of people to Wasilla because she was an unknown and they kept finding newsworthy things. By 2008, if you didn't know anything about Barack Obama I would have to assume you were in a coma. He had been covered by the national press since the 2004 DNC convention.

      The other thing about Palin that encouraged more reporting was her penchant for saying things that were blatantly untrue. They weren't shades of gray that another politician might get away with. They were facts she disregarded. Case in point: During the election, she repeatedly said she was cleared of any wrongdoing by the Alaska Legislative Council which was factually untrue. The council had found she abused her power. After the election a different board found that she reached an opposing conclusion and said she did not violate ethics rules.

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    15. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Funny

      And the fact that her married a Mexican woman and had children with her must really cause them to seethe. She wasn't even a citizen when they married! Imagine the insult to the GOP base of marrying someone who isn't white and an immigrant! Jeb is doomed in certain parts of the base for this perceived travesty which is ironic because Jeb probably has the best chance of any of the candidates so far.

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    16. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      Except that in both cases, the reporters were asking tough questions. Or did you not read the article? Or view the clips? He simply came off as condescending and arrogant jerk. Shushing a reporter while they are asking you a question? Is that really a ringing endorsement of a candidate's ability to deal with people.

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    17. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by swb · · Score: 2

      I'd be curious what would happen if a Republican would be:

      * Pro-market but without slavish devotion to specific big money interests or backing crazy tax cuts

      * "No stance" on abortion. "I wouldn't have one but I'm not telling anyone else what to do"

      * Pro-pot legalization "I wouldn't use it, but let's be honest, banning it hasn't worked and jailing people really hasn't worked. Let the states do what they want, like booze"

      And the rest basic, run of the mill Republic policies.

      Would they get run out of town for not genuflecting on abortion and big money, or would the establishment shit their pants as somebody who violated the party line on pot suddenly got a lot of interest?

    18. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And Obama, Clinton .... all get a pass on this, because they say things that are untrue, that you actually believe. Do I need to list them for you or will you find out when the news reports it?

      And when above did I EVER say anything that you allege? In fact, the main reason that the Lewinsky scandal exploded was because Clinton lied. It's not the crime; it's the coverup that draws the press.

      Someone complained that they sent many reporters to Wasilla because of the "liberal" media. That's a distorted viewpoint. She was unknown. There were things to report. You know how many people were sent to Arizona for McCain or Delaware for Biden? Few if any because both them had served in the Senate for decades and were known to the press. Maybe they both have scandalous hidden skeletons but they may be better at hiding them than Palin.

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    19. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by chilenexus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is a high approval rating all that hard to accomplish in a state full of do-it-yourselfers that want not much more than to be left alone? People get paid to live there, so it's the biggest welfare state we have without it being called welfare, meaning she didn't have much to do in order to run things. She still managed to get embroiled in misuse-of-power scandals, and she abandoned her cushy post on top of all that.

      Being a business-person is not an analog for being a politician, so I don't know why people keep pushing the idea that because someone is good at one, they'll be good at the other. After all, a good businessman is all about getting the most for themselves and being sure to do what is profitable, not what is right. Politics should be about serving the country, while business is about taking all they can. Would you trust a government run by AT&T or Comcast?

    20. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by Shakrai · · Score: 2

      Her tenure as a Senator and as Secretary of State have no glaring failures that define her time in those roles.

      Are you serious? The World is going to shit and she oversaw four years of our foreign policy. Russia is annexing parts of her neighbors, ISIS is on the march, China is bullying her neighbors, North Korea still has nuclear weapons, Iran may yet obtain them, and she was one of the biggest cheerleaders for regime change in Libya. That's just her list of "accomplishments" as SecState; wanna talk about her time in the Senate? Two words: Iraq AUMF.

      I'd say her entire record as Senator and Secretary of State is a glaring failure. Why don't you proffer something she did right instead of saying she didn't completely fuck up?

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    21. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by chilenexus · · Score: 2

      Can you really expect anyone to take you seriously when you use the word "anointed"? It gets trotted out every election cycle and it tells me to to ignore the person using it - because if the only serious critique you can come up with is that the candidate or office holder is popular among their supporters, you're likely into your third jug of kook-aid for the opposition. (yeah, I saw that typo and decided to keep it - it fits the concept well)

    22. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by TWX · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The GOP is like the Red Skins, relatively few like the brand but the individual players all find their fans, the DNC is like the Starts & Stripes, more people have a favorable view of the team just don't ask them to try and name any players.

      This is exactly what's wrong in politics these days. Politics is not a spectator sport. There aren't simply two teams vying for the prize of being elected and using that as the trophy to put in one's case. Treating it like a spectator sport completely ignores the whole point of the exercise, which is to effectively govern the wealthiest nation in the world, and to see to the interests of both the nation and the persons in that nation.

      As for Mrs. Clinton, before she was First Lady she obtained a Doctorate in Law from Yale and worked as a lawyer, as well as having served on corporate boards. My guess is that her time as First Lady was probably frustrating since First Ladies generally cannot continue their professions after their husbands take office. The friction when she attempted to work toward Universal Healthcare the first time around is proof enough of that.

      I'm no fan of Hilary Clinton, and she definitely failed on-style when she was First Lady, but I can look at her academic and professional records and see that she has experience in several different areas that might make her a successful President.

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    23. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why didn't the reporters do the same thing with a Jr Senator from Illinois? Remember, he was just a couple years into his first term as Senator, voting "present" more often than anything else.

      Because what you allege is factually untrue unless you want to redefine 3% as "more than anything." Senator Obama voted "present" 129 times which is 3% of the 4,000 votes he cast. This is why no major news picked it up; it wasn't really news and it wasn't true. Second, in the Illinois Senate, the "present" vote is often used to as disapproval of measure without having to vote "no." Simply put it: Your facts are wrong.

      Red Flags abounded, but he was "black" and "dynamic". Having the first "campaign" meeting at the house of two former (or still) radicals wasn't a hint of things to come

      So you are alleging is that having a meeting at someone's house is a wringing endorsement of everything about the host? That must mean that Ted Cruz is most definitely gay. Are you really that naive in thinking that when raising funds you can only attend functions with people you agree with 100%. Seriously are you that naive? Or do you recognize that you need a broad consensus and support for offices like Senator.

      While Palin was new to the National scene, she didn't get elected Governor because she was a woman,

      And I have never said anything about her gender up until now. You are the first to mention it. Being a woman wasn't her problem. Being Sarah Palin was her problem.

      she pissed off a lot of people both (D) and (R) up there. She was just too "small town" for national appeal.

      No, she didn't get elected because people thought she was dumb. I personally believe the stories that she didn't know the difference between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein. That she didn't know there were two Korean countries. That she didn't know the Queen of England does not actually run the UK. These are simple things that she could have known if she was basically aware of history or the world. Now the if the average American does not know these things it is merely a shame; someone wanting to run the country needs to know these things.

      The (D) and (R) power brokers love fancy city slickers ... that is unless you're Bill Clinton ;)

      Really, is that why George W Bush was President? Or why retired Naval Captain John McCain is a Senator.

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    24. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by thaylin · · Score: 2

      That it is such a regressive tax.

      First the tax is inclusive, they do it that way because it is a 30% sales tax, exclusive, but by claiming it is inclusive they make it seem like it is only 23%.

      Then the prebate that they claim will offset the cost to the lower and middle class is an exclusive 23% meaning that it does not fully offset the 30% exclusive tax.

      Secondly there are many people with current houses who based their affordability of those houses based on the lower tar rate that the credits/deductions provide and they would lose those, putting them in a place to lose their home.

      It is being played as a way to reduce taxes, but it really only does that on the wealthy and businesses and places that burden on the poor and middle class. You cannot do away with more than half the tax income, business and wealthy, and not make it up someplace else.

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    25. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Informative

      Are you serious? The World is going to shit and she oversaw four years of our foreign policy. Russia is annexing parts of her neighbors,

      Yes because her being in her post for 4 years can reverse the 12 years of Putin rule and the undo decades of Ukranian-Russian tensions in Crimea. Yes, totally her fault on that one.

      ISIS is on the march

      Because the US removal of Saddam Hussein under Bush leaving a power vacuum which fomented and led to the rise of ISIS is completely Clinton's fault.

      China is bullying her neighbors

      I agree with you 100% that Hillary should do something to undo China's tendencies that they have had for decades.

      North Korea still has nuclear weapons

      Yes because she should have parachuted in James Bond style and erased their program which they had been building for decades especially after their first successful test while Bush was in office.

      Iran may yet obtain them, and she was one of the biggest cheerleaders for regime change in Libya. That's just her list of "accomplishments" as SecState; wanna talk about her time in the Senate? Two words: Iraq AUMF.

      So far your biggest complaint about Hillary is her lack of a time machine to change things that have been decades in the making and happened before her time as secretary.

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    26. Re:All aboard the FAIL train by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      Which part did you miss? The part where Senator Clinton voted in favor of the AUMF [wikipedia.org] that authorized the Iraq War

      Yes she voted for AUMF. And as a member of the Senate she was in charge of the Bush administration's diplomacy? She was in charge of the military decisions of the Bush administration?

      or the part where she served with an administration that made "regime change" in Syria national policy? Perhaps both?

      What are you smoking? The administration is criticized for not doing enough in Syria and your complaint is that they made "regime change". Again you must on something really powerful.

      You may be willing to stick your head in the sand and forget about the AUMF but I'm not.

      You are apparently fixated on her as being one of 98 Senators and 420 Congressmen who voted for it. You seem less fixated on the Bush administration that misrepresented the justifications as well as mismanaged the war. But yes blame one Senator.

      HRC was a policymaker when the seeds were laid for every problem that I outlined.

      Really, she could have stopped North Korea from developing nukes? Something that the CIA, MI6, Mossad could not do. Are you serious?

      She does not get a pass. Your knee-jerk defense of her suggests to me that you're a Democratic partisan and not worth taking seriously.

      I'm a registered Republican but like all things, your assumptions are telling of what kind of logic you use.

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  5. Her HP For America platform by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    She's going to take this country away from the engineers and give it to the clueless executives who care about nothing beyond next quarter's numbers.

    But wait - this already happened!

  6. I slept with her in college. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    She kept shouting "UNACCEPTABLE" during it, and then finished on her own with some sort of power drill. It was the worst night of my life.

    1. Re:I slept with her in college. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Carla outsourced my job to an Indian guy named Sanjay.

    2. Re:I slept with her in college. by TWX · · Score: 2

      If her standards are that the guy can hammer a six inch spike through a board with his penis, then I think we can give GP a pass...

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    3. Re:I slept with her in college. by ewhac · · Score: 2

      Huh. I always parsed Lemongrab as male...

  7. She did such a great job with HP by QuietLagoon · · Score: 3, Funny

    Let her do the same for the Country!

  8. Re:Real reason by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    She did fuck all WHILE she was a corporate executive, too.

    Why does the media take people like this seriously? I think the corporate media automatically fawns over a CEO. It doesn't matter that the CEO is a failure.

    She is also the postergirl for "failing upwards" and the fact that we don't have any meritocracy in this country. She doesn't deserve to be a manger at Arby's at this point, and she doesn't deserve respect. But still the Corporate media fawns.

  9. Oh yeah, sign me up by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 4, Funny

    Carly would probably lay off Congress and ship all their jobs to India, spend 13 trazillion dollars to buy Somalia, end all federal highway and other infrastructure funds; and drive the dollar down to 1$ == 12 slices of bread.

    1. Re:Oh yeah, sign me up by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 2

      The people in congress are the equivalent of the corporate class. She would double or triple their salary.

    2. Re:Oh yeah, sign me up by Jethro · · Score: 4, Funny

      > Carly would probably lay off Congress

      See, that I could actually get behind.

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    3. Re:Oh yeah, sign me up by TWX · · Score: 2

      Plain mass-produced bread is around $1 per loaf, which is something like 30 slices. Fancier breads are more like $2.50 and have around 20 slices.

      So, the baseline good, if it suffered inflation to meet the $1 for 12 slices, would mean approaching a 300% jump in inflation.

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  10. GWB with tits. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    A failure in business, just like the last republican president.

  11. How does any candidate in 2015 by wiredog · · Score: 5, Informative

    fail to register all the related internet domains. Like, for instance carlyfiorna.org?

    Bonus: Demon Sheep!

  12. Mitt Romney Deux? by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 2

    If the Republicans still don't want the presidency because the responsibility for the next economic collapse has to be put on socialism I think she has a good shot ... hard to find someone less electable, and if the Democrats push forward Clinton they need a real stinker.

    1. Re:Mitt Romney Deux? by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What socialism is going on? Really... I don't see it. Obamacare? It is a boon to private insurance. Obama is a corporatist, just like every president since Reagan.

      They can blame socialism for whatever problems we have, but it is a hollow argument.

  13. Re:The Only by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Treating sexes equally means that when a hack comes our way we judge her just like a man.

    Carly deserves nothing extra because she is a woman. She has been piss poor at every job she has ever taken and she is showing exactly the OPPOSITE in attitudes we need when we are at a time in history when we need some real (that is anti-corporate) action in government.

  14. Actually, it makes sense by bledri · · Score: 4, Funny

    In general the GOP wants to reduce the size of government. She was very successful at reducing the size of HP. Clearly she is the perfect choice.

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    1. Re:Actually, it makes sense by Feral+Nerd · · Score: 3, Informative

      In general the GOP wants to reduce the size of government. She was very successful at reducing the size of HP. Clearly she is the perfect choice.

      The GOP has been in control of both congress and the presidency more than once in the past. That equals the ability to do whatever the hell they bloody want. When was the last time you saw them use that situation to reduce the size of government? Republicans are really good at lowering taxes but they suck at reducing the size of government or the extent of government expenditure which is not surprising since they seem to have a pronounced fetish for fighting expensive land wars in Asia.

    2. Re:Actually, it makes sense by chilenexus · · Score: 2

      By firing air traffic controllers and public mental health workers.

  15. Bad news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes, as everyone with three gray cells to rub together knows, she would make a terrible choice for president and she has just about zero chance of being elected.

    I think it's safe to say that she's actually running for a cabinet position, and to stroke her own ego.

    But beyond that, this is bad news, because it slightly lowers the odds of having a meaningful debate or dialog about the many issues facing the US, simply because she's such an ill-prepared candidate. And the further to the right the Republicans swerve (largely in order to assuage their wingnut base in order to get the nomination), the easier it is for Democrats to run as Republican Lite. As many others have pointed out, Bill Clinton and Obama would be considered right wingers in most modern democracies; we need an election pitting true conservatives against true liberals, with first-rate media coverage, debates, etc.

    The odds of that happening are approximately the same as those of Linux passing Windows in desktop market penetration in the US this year.

  16. Her campaign page is up. by gcnaddict · · Score: 3, Funny

    carlyfiorina.org makes for insightful reading. I understood a lot about her conservative economic position after visiting.

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  17. She could have been honest, for a change, at least by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Interesting

    She could have said, "most likely they are going to nominate Hilary, and to balance the ticket you are going to look for a woman VP candidate, so let me throw my hat in the ring, for VP candidacy, I am a woman and I may be able to force them to spend money on California instead of taking it for granted". I don't think she can deliver CA for the red team anyway. But at least that is a plausible pitch. Instead of quietly contacting the candidates and letting them know she is running for VP she goes about it this way. Republicans won't run a senator or corporate CEO again, not after McCain and Romney. Thinking of Dubya and St Reagan they will go for a governor. Christie is out, that is why Walker is the front runner.

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  18. Re:Viable 3rd Party Candidate?! by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are various reasons Stallman couldn't make it as politician, but the most relevant one right now is that in the US we can't have candidates that can't be packaged like a product. Stallman is loud. He has long hair. He has mistakes on his record because he actually DID things. Worst, he doesn't believe the corporation should win in all circumstances, and that is a must for any candidate because ALL candidates, D or R, are pre-approved by corporations because of our out-of-control, free for all campaign financing.

    You want someone good in government? You are not going to get anyone good in the government when they have to look like someone from a University’s stock photography collection. You aren't going to get a good person who hasn't smoked dope or maybe hasn't had a depressive episode or two. You need someone who has worked in some clothes other than suit or a business dress. You need someone real. And this is NOT happening in the US right now.

  19. Just what we need in the oval office... by dlleigh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Another narcissist whose business failures are repeatedly blamed on others. (HP's market cap rose by billions on the day she was ousted.)

    We need to diagnose narcissists early and send them all to Empathyless Island, where they can prey on each other instead of us.

    A good article on why narcissism is bad, even in the cold, sociopathic world of capitalism.

  20. Failed CEO by doconnor · · Score: 2

    It's remarkable that she is just any random failed CEO, like George W Bush was, but she is the most notorious was well know failed CEO in the entire IT industry.

  21. Re:She could have been honest, for a change, at le by BillCable · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I agree, pretty much. I think she'll get backers that keep her relevant because the money understands there's an advantage to having a woman in the primary who can take shots at Hillary without getting slammed as sexist. I doubt she'll get on the ticket as VP, and I doubt she's vying for that role.

    I also agree Walker looks like the front runner. He's still developing, but he starts from a very strong position. If he can avoid any major flubs that the media can run with, he has a real shot.

  22. Arrrrrgggggghhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    First she drives me out of my career and now she wants drive me out of my country.

  23. Track record? by X10 · · Score: 2

    She ruined HP. Now she wants to ruin the US? Hmm..

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    1. Re:Track record? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Funny

      Too late. 16 years of Bush/Obama has been enough.

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  24. I do not get it. by jythie · · Score: 2

    Ok, she is not so stupid as to think she has an actual chance, just like many of the other contenders. So I am wondering, why does someone like her DO this? Status? Getting to be in the public eye? Bordom? Demonstration wealth by wasting it and impressing the neighbors?

    What do these 'no chance' candidates get for all the time and energy they put into these runs?

    1. Re:I do not get it. by dlleigh · · Score: 5, Informative

      She's not stupid at all. But she is a narcissist, which means that she actually believes that the world owes her admiration and greatness.

      Her brain works differently from yours, and the vast majority of the population. This is not an area of rational thought for her.

  25. Re:Degree in Medieval History and Philosophy? by jythie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Since human behavior has not changed all that much over time, medieval history is actually a really good starting place for analyzing modern political structures. It is not unusual to take test cases from hundreds of years ago (where we know the factors and outcomes) and plug them into models to see if they produce the expected results.

    Though on the whole it is kinda sad how little respect we have for specialization that does not feed into consumer culture.

  26. How the world works for BILLIONAIRES by cmholm · · Score: 2

    I appreciate Fiorina standing up a campaign as her personal contribution to the trickle down economy, but I don't think it will remain active long enough to employ more than a handful of people for a few months.

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  27. Re:Viable 3rd Party Candidate?! by OzPeter · · Score: 2

    There are various reasons Stallman couldn't make it as politician, but the most relevant one right now is that in the US we can't have candidates that can't be packaged like a product.

    Stallman could't be elected because (for better or worse) Stallman is an extremist and true believer. No-one who has such a rigid position - no matter what their politics - is electable.

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  28. Re:Degree in Medieval History and Philosophy? by gtall · · Score: 3

    Yeah, you are right, we should all only have sellable careers because the world and the U.S. doesn't need to learn any history. Maybe you figure we'll be better automatons if we all have tech majors?

    That said, she's a dolt, but not because she studied Medieval history.

  29. Nothing wrong with Socialism. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's funny how socialism has such a bad reputation in 'merica. It's automatically equated to "evil" Commmunism.

    Of the top 10 most prosperous countries, half are socialist countries. Norway, Denmark, Finland, Sweden, and Netherlands. Of the top 10 most happiest countries, the majority are socialist countries.

    It's funny how much happier people are when they don't have worry about things such as primary and university education, housing, health care, insurance, transportation, etc. It's also interesting how that correlates to a more productive society, making the country in general more prosperous.

    Denmark often ranks in the top 5 year after year on both lists. While they have a 60% income tax, the people still manage to have more money in their pocket than the typical American. Why? The costs of their necessities are ridiculously low because it's distributed amongst the entire population. Their net income is higher than a typical American who has to eat the high costs of living (for the typical American, almost 50% of your income goes immediately into housing [rent, mortgage, etc.], then tack on health insurance, car insurance, loan debt, etc.) While Americans are racking up quarter million dollar debts just to go to school, Danes get paid to get a Master's Degree at University. Or rather, they're getting their collective investment returned to them when they go to school.

    ACA is a good step forward. If everyone pays for health insurance, the costs will come down. You'd think fiscal conservatives would be all over that. Well, they were when Romney did it, but then suddenly were against it "just because."

    1. Re:Nothing wrong with Socialism. by thaylin · · Score: 2

      what is funnier is how people here equate anything socialized as being soclism, but love to forget that our military is socialized, roads, pretty much everything the government spends money on is socialized.

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  30. Depressing Shill by Carcass666 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    She was a regular on Meet the Press for a while, and she could always be counted on to parrot whatever talking points the American Enterprise Institute was distributing at the time. She always came across as an opportunist, trying to build her brand, with nary a thought of her own construction.

    People criticized Romney because he ran on his business record, and that record included the elimination of many American job. In fairness to Romney, though, his job at Bain was to save companies, not jobs, and in this he was successful. In Fiorina's case, she presided over a disastrous merger of Compaq, basically destroying that brand, as well as seriously damaging HP's; and in the process, opened the door for lesser players, like Dell, to successfully infiltrate the enterprise. Her utter failure as a business leader, coupled with a near lack of independent political philosophy, are easy pickings for her primary competitors. If she somehow does make it to a VP candidate, she will serve only to galvanize the liberal voting base to organize against a failed corporate wolf in false feminist sheep's clothing.

    1. Re:Depressing Shill by chilenexus · · Score: 3, Informative

      his job at Bain was to save companies, not jobs

      Tell that to the folks that used to work for Kay Bee toys. http://www.politifact.com/trut... While he had left by the time Bain did their damage there, they were using the system that he had set up: Run up a large debt to purchase a company, assign the debt to that company, sell off much of its assets, and watch it burn.

    2. Re:Depressing Shill by Carcass666 · · Score: 2

      Totally agree. For better or for worse, the horrible business model you describe was not uncommon for Bain. I'm not saying Bain was not a company based upon evil, it is just that Romney happened to be good at it. In contrast, during Fiorina tenure at HP, about her only success was to maintain her own brand.

  31. Observations.... by erp_consultant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Carly has a specific role for the Republicans. Her job is to go after Hillary Clinton. If any of the male Republican candidates went after Hillary they would be accused of being "sexist" or some other form of "ist". Carly can get away with it because she is a woman. Sadly this is the world we live in.

    Fiorina is the official attack dog for the Presidential campaign. It matters not whether she makes it through the Republican primary. If she succeeds in weakening Clinton then her job is done.

    If Fiorina plays this right she might end up as the Vice Presidential nominee paired with whomever ends up winning the Republican nomination. These days, the VP ends up playing attack dog in the Presidential campaigns. The President is seen as being above the fray while his surrogates dish out all the dirty politics. Nobody will care about her failed HP ventures as a VP nominee. They will only see that she is a woman on the ticket and the Republicans will get points for that.

    1. Re:Observations.... by grasshoppa · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately for the republicans, Fox has been vetting Hillary for going on 8 years. There is little new dirt they could dish up.

      I appreciate how terrified Fox is of Hillary given how strong a candidate she is ( especially when viewed against potential runners like Fiorina/Bush/Christy/Huckabee ), but their constant attacks on Hillary will really only benefit the democrats in the long run.

      The irony is delicious.

      ( note: I hate all candidates/parties. Equally though, and isn't that what we're going for afterall? Equality! )

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  32. Re:Real reason by quantaman · · Score: 3, Funny

    She did fuck all WHILE she was a corporate executive, too.

    Why does the media take people like this seriously? I think the corporate media automatically fawns over a CEO. It doesn't matter that the CEO is a failure.

    She is also the postergirl for "failing upwards" and the fact that we don't have any meritocracy in this country. She doesn't deserve to be a manger at Arby's at this point, and she doesn't deserve respect. But still the Corporate media fawns.

    It's not like she's running to captain a space station, it's the Republican Primary, they dream of finding someone qualified to manage an Arby's.

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  33. Ex HP and Survivors for Fiorina! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe she can get a web page going of former HP and Lucent employees who endorse her!

  34. Agilent has been split up again.... by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Agilent name is now used on their chemical/life sciences stuff (chromatographs, NMR, etc.), while the traditional electronic test/measurement gear that HP was founded on was spun off into another new company, Keysight Technologies.

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  35. Retracted by Event+Horizon · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's pretty disingenuous to post a link to a Slashdot story which in turn links to a retracted article and using it to suggest that HP employees thought poorly of her.

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  36. Actual facts about experience by sjbe · · Score: 4, Informative

    1) So did Palin (vs Obama) but that didn't stop the criticism there

    Kind of stupid to post things that are so easily refuted.

    Obama was a US Senator longer (3-Jan-2005 to 16-Nov-2008) that Palin was Governor of Alaska (4-Dec-2006 to 26-July-2009). Plus Obama was a member of the Illinois senate for 8 years. Palin was mayor of Wasilla (population 7,800) and served as Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Commission for less than a year. All other jobs held by either one were nothing on a national stage or significant enough to count as meaningful experience. So no, Palin did not at any time have more experience in public office than Obama.

    2) Most of Hilary's experience is being the wife of Monica Lewinsky's ex-boyfriend

    You mean except for being a US Senator and Secretary of State?

    Given the choice between Hilary and Carly, I'd take Carly. Which isn't actually saying much. Personally, I can't stand either of them.

    Based on what? You clearly have your facts wrong so any opinions you might have based on your incorrect assertions are based on false premises.

    1. Re:Actual facts about experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "I'm going to add -Gate/-gate to everything. I am adept at moving goal posts from things like 'had more experience than X' when refuted to 'makes one fully qualified for president'.

      Also I cannot use the quote function properly. I'm helping!"

    2. Re:Actual facts about experience by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Voting "present" if I recall was his biggest achievement in those years. Having no real accomplishments other than being elected is outstanding political work these days. It also is working for Hilary.

      Your penchant for posting factually untrue things is Palinesque. Obama's "present" votes represent 3% of his voting record.

      Of course, a lifetime of scandal should be enough to prevent her from running. At this point the DNC can't complain about anyone the GOP having "Scandals"

      Do I believe Hillary or Bill are the most trustworthy people? No. You, however, are willing to believe anything to justify your opinion. Even things that are not true.

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    3. Re:Actual facts about experience by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Informative

      it isn't the total, it is which legislation it involved. ;) Nice try though.

      First of all that is not what you posted in your other thread.

      Why didn't the reporters do the same thing with a Jr Senator from Illinois? Remember, he was just a couple years into his first term as Senator, voting "present" more often than anything else.

      Second, your complaint is that he voted "present" still implies that this was more important than the thousands of "yes" or "no" votes he cast. I would argue that was an important part of job was to cast votes.

      Having exposed your lie, now you want to switch it that so that he proposed no meaningful legislation. Seriously, can you use the internet?

      Washington Post says you're lying. The New York Times says it as well. Do you live in an alternate world where you just believe things which are not only untrue but easily verified to be untrue but believe them anyway?

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  37. Several CEOs later by Streetlight · · Score: 2

    There have been several CEOs since Fiorina was CEO at HP and they still haven't fixed the mess she got them into. Oh, wait ... the replacements haven't been all that good either.

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    In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. George Orwell
  38. If Carley were president... by steevo.com · · Score: 2

    She would spin off California and Florida as independent countries, and merge the rest of the US with Canada.

  39. Re:Real reason by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 2

    ... it's the Republican Primary, they dream of finding someone qualified to manage an Arby's.

    Why? They've got Herman Cain - he managed a Godfather's Pizza!

    And whom I expect to be announcing in 15... 14... 13... Look out, baby, the clown car's getting even more fullerer!

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    That is all.
  40. Re:Bernie and Liz by NostalgiaForInfinity · · Score: 2

    Yes, mine too. They are such jokes that they are sure to lose.

  41. Re:Real reason by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Carly spouted off on Saturday about net neutrality, and claimed that it was forced down our throats by lobbyists from Verizon and Comcast.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    And she says this as a former CEO of HP. I hope her campaign fails soon because her voice gives me faceslapping injuries.