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Ask Slashdot: What Tech Skills Do HS Students Need To Know Now?

heybiff writes: During summer months I deliver brief tech workshops to high school students as part of an enrichment program. Almost all of the students are average students pulled from non-magnet comprehensive high schools throughout our city. Make no mistake — these are not the students who have a love of technology and coding; many were coerced by excited parents or guidance counselors. After doing this for almost 10 years, I have found students have become considerably more comfortable with technology, and confident in their use, especially with smartphones and tablets being ubiquitous. Unfortunately, I also see a lot of basic knowledge and tech skills all but nonexistent. Moreover, students seem unaware that the tech they use daily even has any usefulness for academic activities. So what I put to you fellow Slashdotters is: What do students today realistically have to know to be successful in school? Which tech skills are still important and necessary, and which are gone the way of the typewriter? What misconceptions or outright lies have become so ingrained in young people's use of technology that they need to be addressed? Finally, the program puts laptops in students' hands, to give them a kickstart in being successful; what skills do they need to get the most out of the new hardware they were just given? Have a question for Slashdot's readers? Take a look at other recent questions first to see if someone else has had a similar question. And if not, ask away! The more details and context you include, the more likely your question will be selected.

302 comments

  1. Cursive by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 5, Funny

    They need to be able to do that kind of writing where the letters are all jumbled together and are indecipherable.

    1. Re:Cursive by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Punjabi?

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    2. Re:Cursive by kitty80 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This may be funny, but see also the /. news earlier this day: /./microsoft-to-teachers-using-pens-and-paper-not-fair-to-students

      Cursive does teach motor skills in your hands, eye-to-hand coordination etc. And writing is still a basic skill that's needed in every job that requires discussing complex ideas with others.

      On OP's question "What do students today realistically have to know to be successful in school?" I would say that the skills I see lacking are reading, writing and basic math. Especially the first one will get you anywhere you want...

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    3. Re:Cursive by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      They already do that--it's called Twitter.

    4. Re:Cursive by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      that's a hoot considering where a ton of phishing, fraud, and telephone scams originate

      or did you mean diligent crook work ethic?

    5. Re:Cursive by knightghost · · Score: 1

      Students need proficiency in basic communication (verbal, written) and math. Those seem to be extremely lacking.

      Otherwise? Maybe spreadsheets.

    6. Re:Cursive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This book is by a former Microsoft executive, now a professor of computer science:
      http://www.amazon.com/Geek-Heresy-Rescuing-Social-Technology/dp/161039528X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1432066656&sr=1-1&keywords=geek+heresy

      The book isn't quite published yet, but I read a short interview in the current Technology Review with the author, who seems to think much the opposite of what Lia De Cicco Remu seems to be promoting.

    7. Re:Cursive by thedonger · · Score: 1

      ...writing...

      Grammar, Spelling, and Effective Communication Skills

      You can learn all the technology skills you can imagine -- SQL, code from the lowest level to the most abstract, transfer protocols, etc. -- but effective communication skills (writing, speaking, and presenting) will set you apart from others.

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    8. Re:Cursive by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 1

      Calligraphy?

    9. Re:Cursive by Drethon · · Score: 1

      Perl?

    10. Re:Cursive by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      There's a country out there with criminals in it? We should really do something about that.

    11. Re:Cursive by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      Are you talking about proficiency in terms of turning ideas into language (e.g. writing a book), or in terms of literally transcribing language into it's written form (e.g. handwriting, printing, etc).

      One of these seems about a million times more useful than the other, especially in a society where printers cost $30 on sale if you really want to kill trees, and making electronic copies of anything is free.

    12. Re:Cursive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In addition to tech skills, the students will receive intensive math and writing/literature instruction. While the tech doesn't happen in a vacuum, there clearly are skills worth learning outside math and reading.

    13. Re:Cursive by Neo-Rio-101 · · Score: 1

      mod +1 funny

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    14. Re:Cursive by thoughtlover · · Score: 1

      I would say that the skills I see lacking are reading, writing and basic math. Especially the first one will get you anywhere you want...

      And I'd say you're right, but it's comprehension that's sorely lacking these days. Creative and critical thinking seem to lead to common sense, hence the reasons they're not taught --except to the very elite, both institutional and familial.

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    15. Re:Cursive by thoughtlover · · Score: 1

      Grammar, Spelling, and Effective Communication Skills

      And I'd say you're right... Those skills lead to being a good editor --yet another byproduct of someone that's thinking critically. And can lead to fewer errors with a misplaced ' or " or ; or... you get the point.

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    16. Re:Cursive by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Doctor.

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    17. Re:Cursive by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      We keep trying! It's not working because of the crooks in this one.

    18. Re:Cursive by q4Fry · · Score: 1

      Wow, with a re-reading, that sounds a little more neo-con and a little less neo-con parody. My mistake.

  2. None. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Kids today know how to use today's electronic toys. There's nothing for them to learn that won't be obsolete and/or just plain wrong by the time they finish their education. And giving them laptops will NOT boost their learning rate - cut-n-paste from wikipedia or google is not "getting an education."

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    1. Re: None. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like Pluto not being classed a planet anymore?

    2. Re:None. by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Very much agree. When I went to school, it was all WordPerfect and Quattro Pro. For programming we did QBasic and HTML/Javascript. But it was using Netscape Navigator where people frequently used frames and document.layers. I basically had to forget a whole bunch of stuff to be able to relearn the current way to do things. I was lucky in the sense that the teachers at my highschool taught us how to figure out how to do stuff on our own by telling us to read the documentation or search around the menus to find the functionality we needed. Whatever they learn will be wrong by the time they get out into the work force. The best you can do is try to teach them how to figure things out for themselves.

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    3. Re:None. by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

      Agreed.

      I would much prefer that a few long-discarded courses come back from the dead. Logic and Rhetoric stand out primarily among them; the former to help create better devs and sysadmins, the latter to help them better communicate needs and ideas to the PHB crowd. A little bit of philosophy couldn't hurt either, since anything to force kids to develop and use their own sense of creativity is rather vital IMHO.

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    4. Re:None. by Jhon · · Score: 1

      Well, when *I* went to school it was "IBM Selectric" and "Print Shop". Not the software "print shop", but a big room with a bunch of machines and lots and lots of movable type.

      Yes, whatever they learn will be wrong by the time they get out in into the work force but part of learning is learning how to LEARN, if that makes sense...

    5. Re:None. by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      Things have been changing for awhile: when I was in high school, we wrote code in C and FORTRAN, and even dabbled a bit with the old Hollerith code (think "punchcards"). On the plus side, we had Apple ][ e's and a very early version of (I think?) Word Perfect... it's was *all* CLI though, so it's not like we had much in the way of graphics.

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    6. Re:None. by __aabppq7737 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm 15. "Programming" = formulas in excel at my magnet ECHS/STEM dual-credit high school tied with 2 colleges.

    7. Re:None. by countSudoku() · · Score: 2

      Luxury, sheer luxury! When I went to school we had to use shitty TRS-80s with fucking micro tape drives that were not much better than a cassette tape drive. You had to get kicked out of that school to get to the public school that at least had Apple IIs and a nice PDP11 to get anything done!

      Next guy: Oh YEA?! We had to program our own logins in COBOL on a CDC6600 and we LIKED it like that!

      Older guy: Fucking kids, I had to carry my own boxes of CRTubes uphill 5 miles to get time on my EDSAC2 to write code in machine binary to make the heat and lights work in the lab!

      Oldest guy: Fuck you! *drops abacus* and walks off stage...

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    8. Re:None. by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      I think it is a case on where we shouldn't be teaching people how to operate technology. But to use technology to solve their problems.
      Technology is a tool. When we are little kids, they show us how to operate the tool. When we get older we learn how to use the tools to create.

      Most Information Technology Education is the equivalent of teaching someone how to hammer a nail. Where it should be taught on how to build a birdhouse. Where the hammer is only one of the tools out of many.

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    9. Re:None. by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      You jest, but I was in high school before there were TRS-80's. The TRS-80 hit the streets about the time I was graduating....

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    10. Re:None. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Luxury! You had computer's when you went to school?

      When I went to school, we had to use slide rules, not even cassette tapes. And we used a book that had log tables in the back.

      I'm serious. When I got to college, they had one computer and you had to interact with it with a keypunch or TTY, no CRT. I never took a computer course in college...but have spent the last 30 some odd years working with computers. When the TRS-80 came out, I was already working, and got one. I started a computer program with that and a PDP 8-L with a teletype.

      But on the what to teach kids, learning how to learn is the objective. Had I simply memorized all the computer commands, I'd maybe have gotten one job, and it would have been the last one with computer I'd ever have. Also, I'd say learning how to use their cellphones on the internet will probably be much more valuable than using a laptop for those students who are not excited about tech. They COULD get an old guy to teach them about how we used to do things on laptops, but you asked about the future.

    11. Re:None. by dcollins · · Score: 1

      20-year-old college students says to me yesterday: "I just got my first computer and I'm trying to figure out these files and directories and stuff."

      Your personal experience is not universal.

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    12. Re:None. by Dr.+Zim · · Score: 1

      punchcards, ftw. just don't drop the stack before you get it to the feeder.

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    13. Re:None. by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      I think organizing data and basic practical SQL should be now taught right after reading, writing and arithmetic.

      something as simple as this:

      table: student (id, name)
      table: course(id, name)
      table: student_course(student_id, course_id)

      select sum(*), c.name from student s, course c, student_course sc where s.id=sc.student_id and c.id=sc.course_id group by c.name;

      can provide perspective to math, to data, to understanding of the world. Learning to break down the world into concepts that can be named, expressed, related to each other, totalled, averaged, grouped. Showing a bit of set theory, joins, unions, etc.

      But students lack much more than that, they lack understanding of real economics, real history, real politics and much more.

    14. Re:None. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Kids don't really need to know much to start with. Remember the internet was built by people who had never seen an internet, the smartphone was built by people who had never seen a smartphone, the first skyscraper was built by people who had never seen a skyscraper, and so forth. The irrational fear that parents have about their children not knowing the right technologies to survive has been around for some time. Nothing to worry about.

      It's pretty misguided I think to worry about what kids will need to know 20 years from now. It can't be predicted and so it will be predicted incorrectly. Instead stick with the basics: reading, writing, mathematics, science, arts, sociology, etc. Leave the details until later when they're in college.

    15. Re:None. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The laptops/tablets in school thing is to give wider exposure to the technologies to more people. If you advocate learn by doing, this is it in practicum. It wasn't that long ago when even a single computer in the classroom was amazingly influential because they could not afford one at home. But even then in class sizes of ~30 you would maybe have one turn at it a month, even paired up with another student. There was only open apple and one closed apple key key, you know.

    16. Re:None. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I beg to differ. When I cut and paste from Wikipedia, I'm almost guaranteed to spell things write. Witch helps my grades over all.

    17. Re: None. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like Pluto not being classed a planet anymore?

      Uh, speaking of skills not needed anymore, I can remember exactly two times in my life learning about the distant "planet" Pluto.

      Once back in the 1970s, when I learned we had planets in our galaxy, and I learned about the icy distant one, which "ice" was pretty much the summary of learning.

      And then again several decades later when we wanted to start a pointless fucking debate as to its status as a planet, since "ice" is the only other thing to talk about, which wasn't up for debate.

      Does anyone even talk about this object in any other way? I mean I hear we're gonna have pictures soon and all, which I would imagine will soon be put on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet, stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying “Beware of the Planet”.

    18. Re:None. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      select sum(*), c.name from student s, course c, student_course sc where s.id=sc.student_id and c.id=sc.course_id group by c.name;

      Hopefully if you're going to teach students today about SQL, you won't do them the disservice of using ANSI join syntax that's been obsolete for 20 years.

    19. Re:None. by nbauman · · Score: 1

      I would much prefer that a few long-discarded courses come back from the dead. Logic and Rhetoric stand out primarily among them; the former to help create better devs and sysadmins, the latter to help them better communicate needs and ideas to the PHB crowd. A little bit of philosophy couldn't hurt either, since anything to force kids to develop and use their own sense of creativity is rather vital IMHO.

      I knew this would happen. Now that all the great books of the Western world are free on the Internet, nobody reads them.

    20. Re:None. by moschner · · Score: 1

      The big misconception people have about young people and technology is the idea that kids know how technology works or how to use it.They just assume stuff will work and when it doesn't they don't know what to do.

      They need to learn the basics:
      File formats/extensions
      Drives (C, D, E...)
      Folders and the most basic of folder structures
      How to navigate to different drives/folders/etc.
      some basic troubleshooting skills

      I would say critical thinking skills and a genuine sense of curiosity are the things they need most.

    21. Re:None. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      Most American teenagers have smartphones. Even more importantly,

      66 percent of elementary students and 58 percent of middle school students regularly use a tablet. In 2013, 52 percent of elementary school students and 43 percent of middle school students reported that they regularly used a small or full-size tablet. While 75 percent of high school students regularly use a smartphone, only 42 percent of high school students regularly use a tablet at home or school.

      The kids already have the devices - they just don't use them all that much for school work. Why? Because laptops in the classroom results in lower grades. And the distraction of smartphones is even worse.

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    22. Re:None. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Sweet :-)

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    23. Re:None. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      What is this "Drives (C, D, E...)" you speak of? Even in Windows, you rarely see a drive letter for anything any more. :-)

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    24. Re:None. by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      Kids don't need to know how smart phones work to build a smartphone. Kids need to know how a smartphone works to build the next thing.

      The people who built the first skyscraper were no doubt familiar with contemporary architecture before building the tallest building ever made.

      Kids definitely need to understand today's technology to have the foundation to develop tomorrows technology. However, teaching anything in schools seems unnecessary if they already have a borderline unhealthy interest in it. School is for teaching kids the things aren't already super motivated to learn themselves.

      I'm not saying computer science isn't a worthy subject. It is. But classes where you need to learn computer science are different than classes where you get a free ipad and time to screw around on it.

    25. Re:None. by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      So you think people should learn how to learn technology specific to microsoft windows?

    26. Re:None. by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      Kids certainly won't read them, and most wouldn't know what to do with them... c'mon, we're talking teenagers here.

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    27. Re:None. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      This is what college is for. Before college you learn the basics to prepare you to understand specific details. The people who built the first skyscrapers did not understand contemporary architecture building techniques while still in high school.

    28. Re:None. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tell people that if they're thinking of their computer as a tool like a hammer, they're doing it wrong. I say, think of it as a robot holding a hammer. You can learn how to talk to the robot.

    29. Re:None. by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      I agree that the people who built the first skyscraper probably didn't know how to design a contemporary building while in high school, but they almost certainly knew how to "use" such a building (i.e. they were familiar with it's proper functionality).

      But as I said, the proper operation of a building is something that does not need to be taught in school. People seem to figure it out on their own just by living their normal lives, and therefore doesn't need to be taught in school.

      However, I think Amish kids (e.g. kids that are denied the opportunity to use technology) might be at a disadvantage in creating new technology. I think understanding how to use existing technology is a prerequisite (albeit a trivial one) to being able to create future technology.

    30. Re:None. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      So, you're saying kids should know how to use twitter in order to design the next ultimate time waster in the future? So far, it seems like kids are able to adequately use twitter without the schools helping out.

      I still say stick to the basics. If the kids don't know basic math and science then they're not going to be able to engineer anything new, and if they don't know basic art concepts they won't be able to adequately design a new look either. In the next 30 years, arithmetic is not going to change. The Pythagorean theorem is not going to change. Pi are squared and will continue to be squared.

      You can't learn how a smartphone works if you don't know how the stuff before smartphones work. Computers, dumb phones, etc. You don't know how those work without knowing how stuff before them worked. Etc. So you need to know digital logic, Maxwell's equations, trigonometry, etc. Plus art and music and even literature depending upon what parts you are designing.

      I agree that the interesting stuff doesn't need to be taught in schools. Schools have to teach the boring stuff that even self motivated students don't want to learn.

      Microsoft marketing wants to throw all this out because they're trying to sell stuff to the schools. Same as Apple, but in my experience for the last 30 years, Apple donates free computers which end up in storage rooms because the no one knows how to use the limited numbers adequately in a classroom. Both do it in order to get brand name awareness, not because they think it will help out with education. Any educational recommendations made by corporations should be automatically be treated with high suspicion.

    31. Re:None. by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      So, you're saying kids should know how to use twitter in order to design the next ultimate time waster in the future?

      yes

      So far, it seems like kids are able to adequately use twitter without the schools helping out.

      I also said

      However, teaching anything in schools seems unnecessary if they [kids] already have a borderline unhealthy interest in it.

      and

      People seem to figure it out on their own just by living their normal lives, and therefore doesn't need to be taught in school.

      I still say stick to the basics. If the kids don't know basic math and science then they're not going to be able to engineer anything new, and if they don't know basic art concepts they won't be able to adequately design a new look either.

      Obviously the basics should not be excluded, but should K-12 exclusively be about the learning basics?

      In the next 30 years, arithmetic is not going to change.

      And at some point well before High school, we stop teaching kids arithmetic, and move on to more advanced topics.

      You can't learn how a smartphone works if you don't know how the stuff before smartphones work.

      It depends on your definition of "how something works". You can certainly know how to operate a smartphone without knowing how to design one. The OP was talking about skills that involved using (not designing) technology. It was this use of "knowing how something works" that I started with (e.g. knowing how a hammer works (how to use a hammer) is different from knowing how to make a hammer)

      But yes, I think students need to have mastery of lower level topics before they can progress to advanced topics.

      I was merely pointing out that the analogy of "the people who built the first smartphone had never seen a smartphone" was a bit misleading.

      The task of having an idea to make a multipurpose computer that replaces a dumb single purpose cell phone does not require knowledge of how cell phones work (how to design a cell phone). But it probably does require knowledge of how dumb cell phones "work" (familiarity with dumb cell phones, how to operate them, etc).

      The task of actually making (designing) a smartphone (once the idea has been formulated), requires lots of school as well as familiarity with how the previous technology worked and was used.

      .

      Who built the first smartphone? Was it Steve jobs with the vision? Or the engineers who actually designed and built it? You don't need to be an engineer to be a Steve Jobs and "build" the first smartphone. But you do have to be familiar with how regular dumb phones are used.

      And schools don't (and maybe can't and shouldn't try to) teach people how to be Steve Jobs. Maybe business school does something like this... I wouldn't know.

    32. Re:None. by heybiff · · Score: 1

      Everyone can "get" better. Most HS students are focusing on short term goals; college, military, work. Learning how to effectively use Google/Google Apps will not be obsolete in 2-3 years. It would take that long for the Google corpse to just cool down.

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    33. Re:None. by nbauman · · Score: 1

      Kids certainly won't read them, and most wouldn't know what to do with them... c'mon, we're talking teenagers here.

      They would if they realized how much pornography there is in the great books of the Western world.

    34. Re:None. by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      They do have the time to read them

    35. Re:None. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      When I went to school, we didn't have Selectrics. We used manual typewriters. Our best computational aids were slide rules (which I became very good with). (I've still got a non-electric typewriter and a slide rule around somewhere. I also have a slide rule app on my iPhone, but it doesn't feel the same.)

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    36. Re:None. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Kids need to know how a smartphone works to build the next thing.

      Knowing how to play candy crush doesn't teach you how to build anything.

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    37. Re:None. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Pi are squared

      Are it really?

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    38. Re:None. by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      It's a prerequisite for inventing the next addictive cell phone game.

      You can't build a space craft if you don't know how airplanes work.

    39. Re:None. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kids today know how to use today's electronic toys. There's nothing for them to learn that won't be obsolete and/or just plain wrong by the time they finish their education.

      Specific programs may disappear but fundamental concepts will stick around for a long time. Individual implementations of UNIX have come and gone but the concept of UNIX has been around for 45 years and it's not going away anytime soon. Big open programming languages will also stick around - C/C++, Perl, Python, BASH. Specific office suites may come and go but the concept of stylesheets is here to stay. If your students don't know that stylesheets exist in all major office suites out there and what are the usual stylesheet features they should look for in unfamiliar office suites, then you're teaching basic computer literacy wrong. The concept of stylesheets also extends beyond office suites: HTML/CSS, LaTeX, DocBook/XSL and many other markup formats.

      And the most important skill kids need to learn - using multiple different programs to solve a problem.

    40. Re:None. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      The vast majority of people who use computers today do NOT need to know any of those things. Those who are interested will pursue it - those who aren't should be allowed to pursue other interests.

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    41. Re:None. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the contrary, proper understanding of file system concepts, working with toolchains rather than individual programs, graphical layout using stylesheets, using the Internet (simple HTML, searching the web, e-mail, basic encryption and safety) and the very basics of programming are the bare minimum USER-LEVEL knowledge that needs to be taught in elementary schools. If you can't make a trivial loop to automate repetitive tasks, then your computer is reduced to a glorified typewriter/TV/gaming console.

    42. Re:None. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      If you can't make a trivial loop to automate repetitive tasks, then your computer is reduced to a glorified typewriter/TV/gaming console.

      Guess what? That's all that most people want or need. They leave the automation of tasks to someone who actually knows how to do it, rather than create a million different buggy solutions that screw up the data.

      With local search and MRU lists in each application most people don't even need to know how the file system is structured.

      People with zero knowledge of html use the internet all the time. It's so simple even a child can do it :-)

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  3. Typing by Nukenbar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Please teach all kids how to type at least 70-80 wpm. It is a skill they will use forever.

    1. Re:Typing by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 2

      Until pushing mechanical buttons to transfer symbols from a human to a machine becomes obsolete. There may be some kids that will use typing skills until they die (i.e. not forever), but more importantly I doubt that the qwerty keyboard will still be around in 100 years. Surely by then we will be able to just think about what we want to type and have it appear on the (whatever replaces screens).

    2. Re:Typing by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think a mind meld with computers will even be the desired input method ever. The QWERTY layout has been around for 140 years. I don't think there's any reason for it to change. There are other input methods, but nothing that matches the speed and consistency of a skilled typist. Remember, the keyboard is not simply a tool for entering English words. It let's us communicate all types of information with the computer. Simple key combinations can be used to express many different things to the computer. Also, I can type while looking out the window at the trees blowing in the wind and still get the correct output to the computer. I think that a computer trying to read our brain signals would get very confused with all the "noise" in our heads. They have enough trouble just trying to get speech recognition working in a quiet room.

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    3. Re:Typing by doug141 · · Score: 1

      The QWERTY layout has been around for 140 years..

      So, not as long as the horse and buggy? And this tells us something about its future?

    4. Re:Typing by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      I don't think a mind meld with computers will even be the desired input method ever.

      Ever? That's a pretty bold prediction.

      The QWERTY layout has been around for 140 years.

      So it will be around forever? Like trebuchet's and catapults?

      I don't think there's any reason for it to change.

      The only reason to change anything is that the new thing is better in some way.

      There are other input methods, but nothing that matches the speed and consistency of a skilled typist.

      That's the way it has been, so that's the way it will be forever?

      Remember, the keyboard is not simply a tool for entering English words. It let's us communicate all types of information with the computer. Simple key combinations can be used to express many different things to the computer.

      I'm not sure why you think a keyboard is the only input method capable of doing this. Certainly human minds are also capable of thinking thoughts other than English words, as they are the things ultimately controlling the keyboards.

      . Also, I can type while looking out the window at the trees blowing in the wind and still get the correct output to the computer. I think that a computer trying to read our brain signals would get very confused with all the "noise" in our heads. They have enough trouble just trying to get speech recognition working in a quiet room.

      Your brain sends different signals to different destinations. This is why your fingers don't get confused by you looking out the window. Presumably your brain will also learn not to send signals intended for the HMI to other areas of your body and vice versa.

    5. Re:Typing by countSudoku() · · Score: 1

      Very nicely put!

      I would add that we now have the ability to just talk to the mic and have some parsing software write the words and punctuation for us, but that won't work in our lame open office space at work, nor do I want to wear out (or hear) my voice while I'm trying to think of things to type. Really, what's the one physical thing in a smart phone that cannot be bargained out; the on-screen keyboard. Mice? No need, keyboard? Hell yes!!1!

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    6. Re:Typing by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Until you can point at a device that enters text more efficiently than a keyboard, being able to type will remain an essential skill. You can't do that now, and frankly I don't see anything on the horizon that will. Magical mind-reading device might (or might not) do that, but we can worry about that when we have some.

    7. Re:Typing by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Agree one hundred percent, typing has been given short shrift. In 8th grade we had a whole year of typing on IBM Selectrics. In addition to touch typing we learned a lot about proper letter formats and things of that nature. I am sure they could throw in a lot of relevant stuff about word processing software, but they don't offer typing now- at least at my children's school.

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    8. Re:Typing by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      The QWERTY layout has been around for 140 years.

      So it will be around forever? Like trebuchet's and catapults?

      Just because you don't own one, doesn't mean others don't. Personally I like having siege engines in my backyard, although the ballista is my personal favorite.

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    9. Re:Typing by blue9steel · · Score: 1

      I don't think a mind meld with computers will even be the desired input method ever.

      Ever? That's a long time. Frankly I think we'll see cranial implants that allow computer access without a keyboard during this century.

    10. Re:Typing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never learned how to type formally. It was the best decision I ever made :-)

    11. Re:Typing by John_Sauter · · Score: 1

      Please teach all kids how to type at least 70-80 wpm. It is a skill they will use forever.

      The most valuable skill I learned in high school was typing. My mother was a good typist, having worked for the US Navy as a secretary during World War II--she had a portable typewriter at home. More than 60 years after having graduated from high school I still type every day, mostly on a Unicomp keyboard.

    12. Re:Typing by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Right, and we'll be thinking thoughts at a computer from our flying cars.

    13. Re:Typing by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      The keyboard makes sense. Of course QWERTY is inefficient, but the use of our fingers has been around for millions of years. Will fingers become obsolete? Or are fingers only supposed to hold a phone while two thumbs do all the work to create the modern society? If one finger is useful for giving input, then two fingers are probably better, and ten fingers will be pretty efficient.

      My guess is that if the keyboard goes away there will be something else replaced by it that makes use of more than two fingers. Maybe the masses won't use it, but the people who do the work will.

      Also note that the hammer and knife are still modern tools despite thousands of years of use. Unlikely to see them go away soon.

    14. Re:Typing by gameguy1957 · · Score: 1

      There was a time for typing classes back when everything was a standard IBM Selectric-style keyboard, but that time is long gone. Look around you now at all of the different keyboard layouts. Even different brand PC keyboards have slightly different layouts on them. Then you add into the mix the laptops, tablet, and phones these kids use and you will be teaching them a skill that will not server them well. Recently I've seen kids setting up the small bluetooth keyboards when using iPads or Apple brand computers. They would prefer the phone-style keyboards over the onscreen or full-sized keyboards and can knock out a page of text quickly with it, but their spelling and grammar are a different story. -JM

    15. Re:Typing by PitaBred · · Score: 1

      I know what you mean. It took me 10 well-spent minutes to type this out without errors, hunting down each letter with a single finger, pressing it, and then validating that the computer actually did what I intended and put the letter into the little text box.

    16. Re:Typing by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      Back in the late 80's I went to a presentation by Douglas Englebart.

      Being a 16 year old smartass whippersnapper I asked him a question: "What will replace the mouse and the keyboard?"

      He was stumped. I thought I was hot shit for stumping him...

      but here I am 30 years later and I am still using a mouse and a keyboard to interact with a computer, and it is still the most efficient way to do so.

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    17. Re:Typing by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      I can also think a lot faster than I can talk.

      OTOH, my fingers can usually keep up.

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    18. Re:Typing by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      If men really do think of sex every 7 seconds, the pop up ads are going to be a bitch.

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    19. Re:Typing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The QWERTY layout has been around for 140 years.

      So it will be around forever? Like trebuchet's and catapults?

      No, it'll be around forever like the lever, button or trigger.
      You can make a better crossbow and call it a gun, but the hardware we interact with (e.g., the trigger) will stay the same as long as the hardware we're made of stays the same.

      When you find the right human-object interface, you stick with it. Computers will be replaced; keyboards will stay the same. If we're lucky, the layout will change when people find an optimally healthy one that balances speed and reduced RSI risk. However, an array of easily-reachable, tactile buttons isn't going to be beat by an array of smooth buttons you have to stare at while using.

      And no, we won't see neural interfaces providing faster input than keyboards in the near future because our brains can't think creatively and focus hard enough to constrain our output to some neural HMI at the same time because 98% of People Can't Multitask

    20. Re:Typing by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      We have flying cars. They are called airplanes.

    21. Re:Typing by blue9steel · · Score: 1

      That's why I use Brainblock Plus, it strips out the advertising I don't want. Besides you're not running neural scripting on a public feed are you?

    22. Re:Typing by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      You can't do that now, and frankly I don't see anything on the horizon that will.

      I'm not saying that you can see it on the horizon. I'm saying it's highly unlikely that nothing better will replace the keyboard. You don't have to see it to know it's there.

      Magical mind-reading device might (or might not) do that, but we can worry about that when we have some.

      These already exist. They just aren't very good yet.

    23. Re:Typing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering how long it would take to actually replace a QWERTY keyboard in practice, I think the OP's point remains. Typing takes practice, and kids who will one day be adults will benefit from it.

      It drives me nuts waiting for someone to hunt-n-peck out a sentence.

    24. Re:Typing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah me too. My neighbours think it's weird, but they'll be grateful one day when the invaders set up a mighty camp and we need to launch an all-out assault.

    25. Re:Typing by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Introduce a high school boy to machines that type what he thinks and see how many synonyms for "female breast" there are in his essay, among other things, and the parts in the fourth paragraph wondering what it would be like to have that hot teacher performing oral sex on him are going to be positively embarrassing all around.

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    26. Re:Typing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agree. The most useful course I took in High School was freshman class typing. Second was Latin which taught me English grammar.

    27. Re:Typing by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      Introduce a high school boy to machines that type what he thinks

      Like a keyboard?

    28. Re:Typing by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      No, it'll be around forever like the lever, button or trigger. You can make a better crossbow and call it a gun, but the hardware we interact with (e.g., the trigger) will stay the same as long as the hardware we're made of stays the same.

      Phones used to have buttons. Now they are touchscreens with virtual buttons. We still have the same fingers. How is it possible that something usurped buttons given that they were clearly the ideal method for humans to input information to a computer?

      And no, we won't see neural interfaces providing faster input than keyboards in the near future because our brains can't think creatively and focus hard enough to constrain our output to some neural HMI at the same time because 98% of People Can't Multitask

      By this logic we shouldn't be able to type either.

      The path: "brain -> fingers -> keyboard -> machine" can certainly be improved

      "brain -> brain reader -> machine" eliminates one hop.

      Your contention that the problem is peoples' brains is ridiculous considering that the brains are the things ultimately controlling the keyboards as well. Your typing speed can not exceed the speed of thought, but the reverse is certainly possible.

  4. Self Expression Tech by CWCheese · · Score: 1

    Sharpening a #2 pencil, using hand-cranked unit, motorized unit, or handheld plastic-and-razor-blade unit.

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  5. The basics by ericbrow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While students may "know technology" these days, I'm getting a lot of students at university that don't understand where their files go. I have students who don't know about simple keyboard shortcuts like cut, copy, and paste. I've had to give mini lessons on how to do basic formatting in Microsoft Word, and how to do simple manipulations of a spreadsheet. Learning how to code is useful, but I feel that should come after learning some very simple basics.

    1. Re:The basics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While students may "know technology" these days, I'm getting a lot of students at university that don't understand where their files go.

      Macs since the dawn of time, now OSX and consequently now all tablet and phone devices are deliberately designed with this outcome in mind. "The file follows the app". The user is never meant to have any concept of where their files are stored, how they can be backed up, etc.

      This model is becoming so pervasive it's beginning to creep into OSS development on unix system -- you know, where everything is supposed to be a file, that you can edit. Instead programs are becoming increasingly opaque. You're not supposed to know what the program is doing, how to modify it. Really systemd is just the BigDev version of the same mentality that is ruining most client side applications nowadays.

      Within 10 years, some "bright young spark" is going to hit upon the idea of an "app" that stores and manages user data in a "hierarchical structure". It's going to be huge.

    2. Re:The basics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Thank god you posted! I thought Slashdot was broken when I went into the comments, searched for systemd and didn't find anything.

    3. Re:The basics by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      I guess I'm advantaged over today's kids because I grew up using WordPerfect 5.1, and we learned that using shortcut keys was basically the only way to get things done. The WordPerfect Keyboard Map sat at the top of every keyboard in my highschool. Sure you could do stuff with menus, but we learned on the first day of class that you should do as much as possible using hotkeys.

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    4. Re:The basics by pigiron · · Score: 1

      I learned writing longhand with an ink pen via the Palmer method myself.

    5. Re:The basics by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

      WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS, the most perfect word processing program ever developed. The amount of work one could easily accomplish with that program still surpasses anything we have today.

      Those shortcut keys were fantastic and the guy(s) who thought of allowing 'Reveal Codes' should be given free beers whenever they are out.

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    6. Re:The basics by Ayanami_R · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yup, and it's frustrating dealing with people with this mindset. I had a woman who held up her deployment of Office 2013 because she was convinced that uninstalling 2010 would nuke all her stuff. It took myself,the IT director, her boss and her all sitting down and us saying multiple times that this was not the case. This woman just could not understand that her files were not "in the program" but in their own container on the disk. Separately she could manage what we were saying when it came to individual components / concepts. I think she reached her internal RAM limit or something trying to envision files in this corner, program goes to said corner to get file.

      My son (14) recently asked for a mp3 manager program. I told him to use the damn filesystem, and google it if he didn't understand. He has all his stuff tagged and arranged by folder, only took him a couple hour to arrange 1000's of songs, and he now understands how a filesystem works.

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    7. Re:The basics by skids · · Score: 1

      Worse even is the transpaency of cloud applications.

      For the OP, I'd have the students spend some time trying to do something productive while their laptop is offline. This will force them to learn what tools are actually on a computer and what's ephemeral internet content that could vanish anytime.

      Oh, also, data friggin entry/transcription. Have them put new things in a list that has some strict formatting rules until they get it right. Have them move entries from a list in one format to a list in another format. Then when they start to get cocky, have them do it again in a way where they don't get an instant warning that they did it wrong, but it comes back and bites them in the ankle later.

    8. Re:The basics by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      I think a lot of the productivity gains came from the lack of WYSIWYG support. When you can't actually see what the output is going to look like on paper, you spend a lot less time futzing around with the layout and a lot more time just typing up the document. The fact that it's so simple is what allows you to just get to work and get your job done. Also, there was no other programs running in the background. Which meant that there wasn't emails, chat messages, and other distractions constantly drawing your attention away from what you're really supposed to be doing.

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    9. Re:The basics by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

      I blame Apple and the iPad at least in part for stuff like this. In the iPad world, if you remove an app, then your files associated with that app will indeed disappear and cease to exist. They've done a lot of work to try to make it appear like there is no file system. This creates huge problems when you want to share a file between 2 apps..

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    10. Re:The basics by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      To be fair I hated working with Microsoft Word when the formatting got screwed up. I lost so much time trying to figure out where it went wrong. I loved WordPerfect because whenever the formatting got messed up you just revealed the codes and you could see where the problem was.

    11. Re:The basics by davidshewitt · · Score: 1

      Not understanding the concept of a file / filesystem is more common than I thought. My sister had a flash drive (with all of her autocad drawings for school) that got corrupted. After failing to recover it, I asked why she didn't back it up. She said her Macbook didn't have autocad so she couldn't save the files to it. She now knows the difference. :-)

    12. Re:The basics by antdude · · Score: 1

      Don't schools still have computer classes to teach these basics?

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  6. Two Word "Critical Thinking" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They can figure out the rest.

    1. Re:Two Word "Critical Thinking" by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      They can figure out the rest.

      "Critical thinking" is a meaningless expression. The Wikipedia page contains 9 different definitions, many of which are contradictory. This is my favorite: "the commitment to the social and political practice of participatory democracy," which seems to imply that "critical thinking" means going along with the politically correct consensus. So whatever "critical thinking" is, people that use the expression without actually explaining what they mean, aren't using it.

    2. Re:Two Word "Critical Thinking" by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      My wife Sue developed two classes for the Virginia Beach City Public Schools Gifted Education Program (in the late 1980s) focusing on critical thinking skills and they are still taught (synopses from the 2015 Curriculum Guide below). I imagine other school systems offer (or can offer) something like these - you can also Google "Think Tank for Super Thinkers" ...

      Think Tank for Super Thinkers (GP 1172):

      One-half credit, first or second semester, Grades 9-10 This program utilizes an interdisciplinary approach that introduces a core of consultants from the professional and academic communities of the arts, social sciences, applied sciences, business, and media to the participants. Students will learn to research, assimilate, and respond through group work. The instructional focus will require students to think critically about social, political, economic, and environmental issues of our day. Field trips and attendance at cultural activities may be required. This class is offered at each high school, is taught by the gifted resource teacher, and is offered in an online, blended format.

      SPARKS (GP 9500):

      One-half credit, first or second semester, Grades 11-12 The SPARKS course will allow selected students to participate in a course designed to encourage the discovery and discussion of new and invigorating ideas, the development of critical thinking skills, and synthesis of complex issues. The course is offered in an online, blended format, allowing students to research and discuss selected topics. Instructional approaches are varied and may include speakers, debates, workshops, field trips, and community service projects. Online and face-to-face discussions will be conducted in a multi-disciplinary atmosphere encouraging students to make connections and explore relationships among different disciplines.

      Sue was named the Outstanding Gifted Teacher of the Year for Virginia Region II in 2005, a few months before she died in January 2006. (See the "Teacher" link on the Remember Sue... page.)

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    3. Re:Two Word "Critical Thinking" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Critical thinking" is a meaningless expression. The Wikipedia page contains 9 different definitions, many of which are contradictory.

      And that's why you should use some critical thinking to weed out the crap. Just because it is in writing doesn't make it true - Wikipedia is no exception.

    4. Re:Two Word "Critical Thinking" by dcollins · · Score: 1

      Totally agreed. Vaporware.

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    5. Re:Two Word "Critical Thinking" by __aabppq7737 · · Score: 1

      Critical thinking is what 'adults' have: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    6. Re:Two Word "Critical Thinking" by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Critical thinking is what 'adults' have:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      The "critical" in "critical thinking" refers to criticism. That is something that adolescents tend to do well. Critical thinking is not something you use to solve an engineering problem. It is something you use to write a movie review.

    7. Re:Two Word "Critical Thinking" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, so in the name of iterative process, let me suggest a subset of critical thinking that's really badly needed.

      Root Cause Analysis

    8. Re:Two Word "Critical Thinking" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the discipline of philosophy, critical thinking is a combination of mental skills, including:

      1) the ability to spot a logical fallacy in an argument.
      2) the ability to recognize, explicate, and analyze unstated assumptions.
      3) the ability to formulate meaningful high-order questions.

      That last one is really important, especially when getting into science vs woo debates. A high-order question kind of like a meta-analysis. Example:

      Question: what is she: answer: she is a witch.
      Second order question: how do we know she is a witch? answer: she looks like one!
      Third order question: How do we know that is a good way of determining whether or not someone is a witch?

      On the one hand, higher-order questions are what make clear the superiority of scientific investigatory methods over, say, blind acceptance of ancient documents. On the other hand, the process of higher-order question formulation has no explicit end, and can very result in questions that are so abstract as to be meaningless. So there is as much art as science involved in formulating good higher-order questions, and finding ways of addressing them.

      All of this can improve with practice...which is basically that the enterprise of studying philosophy (participating in class, not just reading a book) is.

    9. Re:Two Word "Critical Thinking" by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Root Cause Analysis

      Root cause analysis does NOT require or use "critical" thinking. It just uses normal logical thinking and evidence based reasoning.

    10. Re:Two Word "Critical Thinking" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You are wrong. Did you read the linked article? There is quite a lot more to it than that.

      When solving engineering problems in the real world, senior engineers often need to challenge assumptions that drive the business needs, as well as challenging technical assumptions that drive the recommended approach. This is straight-up critical thinking.

  7. OfficeSuite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They need to be aware of what a spreadsheet is and how to use it. An alarming number of schools do not include basics like this anywhere in the core curriculum.

  8. Tech skills? Sequencing and integration by mveloso · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Really, the main mental skills you need in tech are pretty simple: understanding the goal/problem, breaking a problem down into steps, then putting everything together at the end.

    If someone can figure out how to take a meal, make a recipe that makes the meal, then follow the recipe to make a meal, they'll be mostly fine.

    1. Re:Tech skills? Sequencing and integration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posting anonymously due to moderation elsewhere in the thread (which only means I won't be able to track this thread as easily):

      Schools aren't teaching kids how to make a meal anymore. They're teaching kids 5 different ways to grind pepper and then expecting them to compete with Gordon Ramsey in his kitchen.

  9. Hidden features by holophrastic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A long time ago, in the days of wordperfect and wordstar, there were keyboard overlays -- plastic sheets that fit over/around the keyboard function keys, providing labeling for functionality -- maybe F7 was bold, maybe SHIFT-F7 was underline. Thankfully, after so many years, I've finally forgotten them.

    Then that kind of functionality got collapsed into drop-down menus.
    Then the same functionality got compressed into "ribbons".
    Now, it's hidden three layers deeper.

    Today's applications present a very clean interface by hiding away all of the advanced functionality that's used less than 1% of the time. The thing is, 1% can mean dozens of times a day -- if you know that it's there.

    For example, want to forward an e-mail, there's a button/action for forward. But there's also "forward as attachment", somewhere.

    Tech newcomers to take a new application/program/feature and explore it long enough to figure what features actually exist. Of course they'll find the BOLD button, but they may never know about the balanced columns feature.

    1. Re:Hidden features by bmo · · Score: 1

      I had to look up how to do comments on a Word document. The Microsoft page walks you through a bunch of stuff with the Ribbon, and not a single hotkey is mentioned.

      In LibreOffice Writer, it's ctrl-alt-c, which is a whole lot quicker than dealing with the ribbon, especially if you are editing someone's manuscript and have to stick a ton of comments in.

      Word allows audio and handwritten comments, at the expense of making the interface stupidly complicated. This is not useful.

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    2. Re:Hidden features by ebyrob · · Score: 1

      I dunno, I only know about 6 commands in gVim, but that still makes it faster than any other text-editor I've ever used. (of course regexp find and replace are two of the commands...)

      Good design is just good design.

      PS - If you're going to mention Emacs, I'll try it when I get a meta-key on my keyboard...

    3. Re:Hidden features by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not remembering Wordperfect keys either, but with the ribbon, it's alt (press and release, it's not corded, and watch for the on-screen equivalent of the old overlays come up), H, 1 for bold, although ctrl+B still works. Granted, the simpler ctrl+B one could discover by looking at the drop-down menus is now effectively hidden.

      Others make more sense like alt, H (home), A (align), C (center) to center align.

      But, then again, anyone serious about creating printed material should be using TeX or LaTeX anyway, and if the material won't be printed should use docbook or HTML imho. But, on the other hand, everyone uses Word and most folks have an addiction to reaching over to that mouse to do anything that's not strictly entering text (eyes bug out when my hands never leave the keyboard like not using the mouse is a taboo) so there we are.

      (Fun story. Recently had to help someone working with Excel. I hit F2 and instead of editing the contents of the cell, Boston starts playing and everyone else in the cube thinks for some reason I wanted to listen to music. I mean, for fsck's sake. They realize they can use the keyboard to do more than just enter text, but it's an utter taboo to use the keyboard shortcuts to do anything, even copy+paste. argh)

    4. Re:Hidden features by holophrastic · · Score: 1

      ...in reply to many so far, I'm not talking about learning shortcut keys. I'm talking about learning about the existence of low-priority features, which tend to be hidden in modern interfaces.

  10. The same skills everyone else needs, IMO .... by King_TJ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Teach kids how to effectively use search engines and tools, for starters. The wealth of knowledge (and garbage) on the Internet requires good search skills to use it effectively. I see far too many adults, much less teenagers, who don't know how to put together searches consisting of more than a word or two. Learn the power of putting exact phrases in quotation marks, and suddenly you'll be able to narrow things down to just one or two very relevant pages when you Google for an error message. Use the * as a placeholder in a search for wildcard terms. Find social tags by putting @ in front of a name. Use minus-signs in front of words to exclude from search results, to help make them more effective. (If you're looking for information about purple rain but not a musical reference, try searching for it with -Prince.)

    1. Re:The same skills everyone else needs, IMO .... by hodet · · Score: 1

      Check out reddit and the types of questions you get in Linux and Programming related subreddits. Simple google searches would eliminate the need for about 90% of the posts.

    2. Re:The same skills everyone else needs, IMO .... by countSudoku() · · Score: 1

      Good points, lads!

      I will add that if these kids can get it together to do a quality search and some other more advanced skills put them onto building out a Linux server and making a web crawler and REALLY learn what online search is and how it works! Raise the bar!

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    3. Re:The same skills everyone else needs, IMO .... by twistedsymphony · · Score: 1

      This, 1000x THIS. Realistically if you know how to search and do research you can find the information you need to do whatever else it is that you're trying to do. This has been true since before computers but now this is primarily an electronic task. knowing how to effectively use a search engine is one aspect but to goes beyond that into being able to quickly identify which resources are useful or not useful or how to use information collected from one search to aid in narrowing down your next search.

    4. Re:The same skills everyone else needs, IMO .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the Google search turns up the same question having been asked on StackOverflow, which I guess is the same thing (but the internet points are more tangible).

    5. Re:The same skills everyone else needs, IMO .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Teach kids how to effectively use search engines and tools, for starters. The wealth of knowledge (and garbage) on the Internet requires good search skills to use it effectively. I see far too many adults, much less teenagers, who don't know how to put together searches consisting of more than a word or two. Learn the power of putting exact phrases in quotation marks, and suddenly you'll be able to narrow things down to just one or two very relevant pages when you Google for an error message. Use the * as a placeholder in a search for wildcard terms. Find social tags by putting @ in front of a name. Use minus-signs in front of words to exclude from search results, to help make them more effective. (If you're looking for information about purple rain but not a musical reference, try searching for it with -Prince.)

      Teach kids how to effectively use search engines and tools, for starters. The wealth of knowledge (and garbage) on the Internet requires good search skills to use it effectively. I see far too many adults, much less teenagers, who don't know how to put together searches consisting of more than a word or two. Learn the power of putting exact phrases in quotation marks, and suddenly you'll be able to narrow things down to just one or two very relevant pages when you Google for an error message. Use the * as a placeholder in a search for wildcard terms. Find social tags by putting @ in front of a name. Use minus-signs in front of words to exclude from search results, to help make them more effective. (If you're looking for information about purple rain but not a musical reference, try searching for it with -Prince.)

      Teach kids how to effectively use search engines and tools, for starters. The wealth of knowledge (and garbage) on the Internet requires good search skills to use it effectively. I see far too many adults, much less teenagers, who don't know how to put together searches consisting of more than a word or two. Learn the power of putting exact phrases in quotation marks, and suddenly you'll be able to narrow things down to just one or two very relevant pages when you Google for an error message. Use the * as a placeholder in a search for wildcard terms. Find social tags by putting @ in front of a name. Use minus-signs in front of words to exclude from search results, to help make them more effective. (If you're looking for information about purple rain but not a musical reference, try searching for it with -Prince.)

      roger that.

  11. Critical thinking by PFactor · · Score: 2

    The most important skill I use in my everyday is critical thinking. No matter the technical details of the task at hand, using my noggin is the best asset I have.

    --
    Don't believe anything I say. I crash test crack pipes for a living.
    1. Re:Critical thinking by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      How to select and apply an algorithm to a problem

      --
      Never answer an anonymous letter. - Yogi Berra
  12. Code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know it's becoming cliche, but they should have a basic understanding of how top down (procedural) programming looks. Think your CS1 class in college: variables, standard data types, loops, condition statements, procedure / function creation and use. Also include basic programming tactics like breaking up logic into smaller chunks as to be more digestible at a later date.

    None of these will ever become obsolete as long as we live in base 2.

  13. Hindi or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bengali, Telugu, Marathi, Tamil, Urdu,...

    1. Re:Hindi or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      suitably accented English

  14. Communication - above all else by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they cannot properly and effectively communicate their thoughts, ideas, and/or directions they are pretty much worthless to the business community. It does not matter if they go into high-tech, low-tech, IT, business, finance, marketing, or janitorial services. They need to be able to communicate.

    FredInIT

    1. Re:Communication - above all else by g0bshiTe · · Score: 2

      Bullshit, it just means they are fit for management.

      --
      I am Bennett Haselton! I am Bennett Haselton!
  15. Social Skills, Competition skills by Rinikusu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My 15 year old me is kicking me for saying this, but learning how to integrate into society, listening to other people's thoughts, and learning how to agree and disagree without going all Fox News screamy-shouty goes a long way. Learning to know how to build consensus or at least know when to build consensus (and when to go your own way).

    Competition: learning how to win and how to lose without making a complete douche of yourself in either instance. You won't win every battle in the workplace, in your academic endeavors, in your love life; learn how to deal with it, learn how to learn from it, etc.

    Learn how to set goals and how to take steps to achieve those goals.

    These aren't tech specific, but I'd wager if a student can master any of these, they can do well in whatever field they wish to enter.

    --
    If you were me, you'd be good lookin'. - six string samurai
    1. Re:Social Skills, Competition skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My 15 year old me is kicking me for saying this, but learning how to integrate into society, listening to other people's thoughts, and learning how to agree and disagree without going all Fox News screamy-shouty goes a long way. Learning to know how to build consensus or at least know when to build consensus (and when to go your own way).

      Competition: learning how to win and how to lose without making a complete douche of yourself in either instance. You won't win every battle in the workplace, in your academic endeavors, in your love life; learn how to deal with it, learn how to learn from it, etc.

      Learn how to set goals and how to take steps to achieve those goals.

      These aren't tech specific, but I'd wager if a student can master any of these, they can do well in whatever field they wish to enter.

      Best advice ever for married people.
      Is also good for the workplace.

    2. Re:Social Skills, Competition skills by __aabppq7737 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm a 15-year-old programmer and learned how to fit in yesterday. So true.

    3. Re:Social Skills, Competition skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My 15 year old me is kicking me for saying this, but learning how to integrate into society, listening to other people's thoughts, and learning how to agree and disagree without going all Fox News screamy-shouty goes a long way.

      I agree. You should have your child(ren) listen to Rush instead.

    4. Re:Social Skills, Competition skills by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      without going all Fox News screamy-shouty

      Oh dear. Perhaps also teach them not to project all bad things onto their political opponents?

    5. Re:Social Skills, Competition skills by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      My 15 year old me is kicking me for saying this, but learning how to integrate into society, listening to other people's thoughts, and learning how to agree and disagree without going all Fox News screamy-shouty goes a long way.

      I agree. You should have your child(ren) listen to Rush instead.

      Give it a try. He's actually much more respectful of callers who disagree with him, than most people who say "Fox News" a lot are of those who disagree with them.

    6. Re:Social Skills, Competition skills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those are valid skills, but they don't stand alone. There's no point in knowing how to integrate into society if you haven't got anything to offer it. Being able to offer something is arguably a harder problem for most people to solve, and easier for others to teach them.

      If you have general problem-solving skills, it isn't too hard to figure out ways to succeed in and contribute to society, with reference to your other skills and other attributes. If you live in a society, you can't really avoid solving that problem; in the worst case you can die for want of a solution. I'm not convinced it's something that can realistically be taught in a general way. The solution or failure to reach a solution comes after many life experiences. The best solution depends entirely on the circumstances, and is likely to change over time, possibly in very drastic ways, in accordance with the way society itself changes.

      It's much easier to learn how to do something more specific and well-defined, such as programming, driving, or painting, and then rely on the brain's ability to apply that skill in a general-purpose way.

  16. Obvious by Dishwasha · · Score: 1

    They need to know how operate a cash register, fry machine, lawn mower, espresso machine and be able to take care of other people's children.

  17. Define success by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If being a slave means success, by all means teach them that "The Cloud" (tm) fixes all their problems and worries about having a job security and something meaningful to do..

    Captcha: succor

    1. Re:Define success by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says the unemployed guy trolling forums.

  18. How to NOT put video on the internet by gurps_npc · · Score: 1, Insightful
    Especially on a restaurant site.

    In fact, let's pass a law that requires anyone that ever puts sound or video on a restaurant's web page, to walk around with a giant, bright blue dunce hat on the head. And make it legal to randomly blow boat horns right next to their ear.

    I have never ever, not once, wanted to see a video of a restaurant. Nor do I want any music or sounds when I try to get their location, hours, phone number, and maybe check out their menu. Maybe once I looked at a picture to see if it was a dive or not, but that's it.

    That is ALL we ever want to know about a restaurant.

    --
    excitingthingstodo.blogspot.com
  19. How to use the OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keyboard shortcuts (most are ubiquitous, ctrl stuff, winkey stuff), file systems, common file formats, how to change some basic OS settings, how networking works.

  20. Basic life skills help... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am constantly observing that the following things are missing from many techies: The ability to read, write, and speak English fluently, social skills (some knowledge of how to behave around upper, middle, and lower class folks would probably be useful), an above average IQ (anything above 100 would make your job a lot easier in the USA, but if you belong to certain races or a union, it doesn't matter because it's almost impossible to fire you even if you a complete fuckup), the ability to actually remember what you were taught in class, and the ability to solve problems without someone holding your hand. A strong work ethic would be nice, too.

  21. How to get their H1B's by NotDrWho · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That would be a useful skill that might get them a tech job.

    --
    SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    1. Re:How to get their H1B's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be a useful skill that might get them a tech job.

      Urdu & Hindi

  22. Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they are good at Math and quantitative reasoning, they will be able to pick up tech skills much easier than someone who does not have these skills.

    Also, the desire to learn tech skills. That can't necessarily be taught.

  23. How to get a student loan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How to get a student loan

    that opens lot's of doors.

  24. Don't believe everything on the internet by kaizendojo · · Score: 2

    Kids need to know the difference between verifiable reference material and crap. Just because more people agree with one view on a forum or comments section doesn't neceesarliy make it a fact. Foxnews.com is a perfect example of this. So is MSNBC.com Just because it's on wikipedia doesn't mean it's true. Learn critical thinking and be able to know what questions to ask and where to go to find out. Kids know how to use the hardware - they need to engage the wetwear.

    1. Re:Don't believe everything on the internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kids need to know the difference between verifiable reference material and crap. Just because more people agree with one view on a forum or comments section doesn't neceesarliy make it a fact. Foxnews.com is a perfect example of this.

      Example: O'Reilly is extremely popular, but he competes against crap on the other news networks. And he's a moron. Actually that's an important lesson: If you are presentable and well spoken, you can make lots of money on TV, even if you are a moron.

      So is MSNBC.com

      It's like the TV version of The Onion.

      Just because it's on wikipedia doesn't mean it's true.

      Wikipedia FAQ actually states the they don't care about the "truth", only that the information is referenced to published sources.

      Learn critical thinking and be able to know what questions to ask and where to go to find out. Kids know how to use the hardware - they need to engage the wetwear.

  25. spreadsheets! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Use of spreadsheets is an adult-level skill they will use all their lives and a non-frustrating gateway into building solutions to numerical tasks. Their concreteness makes them accessible, the rectangular-grid layout makes them clear about what is happening, and the ability to keep improving them until you get them to do what you want makes them non-frustrating. Students who have had painful and futile math-in-school experiences (usually algebra) are especially gratified to have a tool that lets them handle sets of numbers correctly.
            In addition to the low threshold, there is a high ceiling. The graphing capabilities, the extensive set of built-in formulas, and the potential to have some cells control the values of other cells means that spreadsheets can make use of as much inventiveness as most people can muster. And if someone thinks of a data-based project that a spreadsheet is not a good fit for, then they can branch out into databases and programming with a good foundation in precise thinking.

    1. Re:spreadsheets! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, alternatively, they can fail to notice when their project crosses the line from something that can be sensibly done using a spreadsheet into something that really, really needs to be done in a database if it isn't going to become a mangled, creaking mess of dirty hacks.

      But really, I agree with your points; too many people don't have a clue what they could do with a spreadsheet. I once helped a co-worker with a spreadsheet and found that he was typing his figures into the spreadsheet, but then using a physical desk calculator to work out the results, and typing those in as well!

  26. Security by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Seriously. With every teenager having a cellphone, complete with picture cameras and basically a pocket computer, teach them to keep their security tight. What happens with their data. What happens when they take pictures of themselves. And that the internet never forgets. How to keep their data secure. How to avoid being taken advantage of. And what problems they will run into when something is being abused. And how to react to it.

    It is about the thing that will have, invariably, no matter what profession they decide for, the one skill they WILL need in terms of technology.

    --
    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    1. Re:Security by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Haha, you act as if kids will listen to their parents about the internet. Parents dont know anything!

    2. Re:Security by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I'm not telling them what to do. I only tell them what will happen when they do it. Whether they do it or not is their business.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  27. Nothing from M$ obviously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd rather my kids be illiterate than allow that monopolist or his 'charity' or anything to do with Micro$haft near them.

  28. How to use pens and paper by davidwr · · Score: 1

    Ever tried putting a post-it note through your laser printer? Ever had your phone battery go bad and needed to make a note of something?

    Despite the story from earlier today, not teaching students how to use pens and paper is unfair to the kids.

    --
    Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
    1. Re:How to use pens and paper by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Ever tried putting a post-it note through your laser printer?

      No but now I want to try it, especially with the one at work that seems to need service every week anyway.

      --
      Time to offend someone
  29. Math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Algebra and ability to solve word problems.

  30. Take something apart by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

    Take something apart, wait 2 weeks, then put it back together so it works.
    Or...just hand them a random box of PC parts and an OS install disk, and say "Make me a PC out of this"

    Further....some coding investigation. "Find the line of code in here where it talks to homebase and sends some of your info to them."

    1. Re:Take something apart by __aabppq7737 · · Score: 1

      no... take a simple game, break one line of code (but leave the comments) and have them fix it

    2. Re:Take something apart by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      That would work too.

    3. Re:Take something apart by __aabppq7737 · · Score: 1

      positive reinforcement beats negative anyday - at least when used to motivate

    4. Re:Take something apart by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Child's play.

      Just kidding, but learning how to figure something out takes a long time and a lot of people lack that ability as it seems to fall in the same category of learning things on their own. Starting young does make it easier to get them able to figure stuff out on their own and even at a young age they can do a lot with some guidance. For example I got a free 2 stage snow blower that had some carburetor issues (you really need to drain the fuel and run it dry before putting it away for the season) but otherwise was in working order. It now runs great but needs some work to ensure many more years of trouble free use. So my oldest child and I are in the process of disassembling, cleaning, and servicing everything in it, and he is 6. When everything is all said and done I will likely have about $100 invested in the thing and it will look and run like new, so not bad amount to have a 24" 8hp snow blower. At the same time I get to teach my 6 year old about how things work, how to work with tools, and how to look at something and figure it out.

      --
      Time to offend someone
  31. What is your goal? by Yaztromo · · Score: 1

    What is the goal of this program? "Tech skills" covers a whole lot of ground, from office-drone skills to systems administration skills to web layout to SEO-type skills to basic Internet use to actual Computer Science.

    Knowing what your goals are for your students certainly influences the answers your going to get. Do you just want them to have basic Internet fluency? Do you want to prep them for typical (non technical) office jobs? Becoming digital publishers? Setting up networks? Creating their own robots? Writing programs?

    Answering this question is really your first step. Figure out which goals you feel are important to your students based on their own personal goals, and work from there. The rest should fall our pretty naturally.

    Yaz

    1. Re:What is your goal? by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      I gotta agree.

      Way back when in my old mainframe days, I remember one of the most popular things was "chat programs." The people at the computer center thought this was a complete waste of resources. My argument was that it got people to use the computer as a tool to chat with other people. Once you got them thinking in that direction, it was easier to turn them on to other capabilities.

      I remember my old girlfriend being surprised that she could use this computer thing to write papers far more conveniently than using the typewriter.

      So to me, the answer is "tools." I'm not into the whole "Computer Aided Education" thing--I'm not sure it's any better than a book or film-strip or anything like that. So the idea would be to teach people the tools--it really doesn't matter which ones--that they can use to be more efficient students. Back in the olden days, that would be things like text-processors (anyone else remember RUNOFF?). Today, it would be things like word-processors, maybe some simple spreadsheets and graphics programs, and techniques for searching the web.

    2. Re:What is your goal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The goal of the program is to increase the participants ability to prepare for college entry and success in college. Many inner city students, while they have access to technology, few have dedicated machines to do schoolwork and research on while in school, so laptops are put in their hands to address this. Beyond that, whatever skills tools the students request -- but many frankly do not know what they needs.

  32. Simple, yet so difficult by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

        Teach how to read for insight and understanding.
        Teach how to write a comprehensive and readable essay.
        Teach how to handle numerical quantities and relationships.

    Hmmm: reading, writing, and arithmetic. If you're good in these, you're likely to be successful in school.

    None of these require any technology. None can be taught in a "brief tech workshop"

    Classroom teachers work hard to teach these subjects. Each seems easy but is difficult to master; each can lead to a lifetime study.

  33. Need? by TemporalBeing · · Score: 4, Informative

    Need to know? None. All critical skills remain the same - communication, writing, math.

    Should know? Basic familiarity, tools, and typing so that they can use the tools available via technology when its appropriate to use, and the knowing when to and when not to use it.

    Technology does not magically solve problems. If you don't know how to write, using Word or OO/LO Writer isn't going to help you and it won't necessarily make you a better writer either. It's not different than a calculator making you a better mathematician versus just helping you along - you have to know how to do the math either way and when to use which formula, something a calculator can't teach you. All these things are beyond the purview and ability of technology.

    So honestly, you could remove computers, the Internet, etc from the classroom and probably be more effective in teaching the requisite skills to move through life. What technology will be used in life will change over time and teaching it in the classroom won't change that or better prepare students for what technology they will actually use in the work force and life - exception being the specific vocational training for vary specific vocations and the requisite technology associated therein, even then an automotive mechanic should be able to diagnose a vehicle without a computer, etc.

    --
    Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it ain't goin' away. - Elvis Presley (source: imdb.com)
    1. Re:Need? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      It's not different than a calculator making you a better mathematician versus just helping you along

      It won't even help you along. Calculators do arithmetic, not math. Most professional mathmaticians work with pencil and paper, although computerized proofs have become common and they no longer *exclusively* work with pencil and paper. Calculators don't come into it, though. Their work has nothing to do with calculating numerical results.

  34. legal skills first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems these days they need to become legal experts before becoming IT experts.

  35. Agreed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Though it can be a hard thing to teach. I have seen "critical thinking" classes that are actually just agenda-pushing classes. Sometimes I even agreed with the agenda (why science is actually better than woo), but the class wasn't actually teaching critical thinking.

    Good debate classes, where you have to argue effectively for either side of an issue, do a better job of teaching that than agenda-pushing classes. And also (though plenty on slashdot will flame me for this) philosophy classes do an excellent job of teaching critical thinking (in my opinion, that is actually the primary value of the discipline).

    Lastly, I will add: having tech skills is not as profitable as having the ability to leverage the tech skills of others.

    1. Re: Agreed. by BeaverCleaver · · Score: 1

      I agree with everything you say except the bit about debating. In debating equal time is given to the "wrong" opinion. Rhetoric and emotional arguments often beat logic, facts and reason. Debating is someone's entertaining to watch, and great for raising a generation of politicians, but terrible at teaching kids how to work out what is true and who is trying to mislead them.

  36. How to DO things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    VBA with excel, macros, using software APIs. In virtually every job making anything, buying or selling anything, this skill will be useful if not outright vital, and will make them more efficient and make other things easier to do and learn about.

    Aside from that, how to properly use search engines. Everything else they either already know, or will learn in the course of studying in the right fields. Teach them how to beat up problems using quick and dirty methods, to find the info they need, and those skills will scale pretty well for them.

    1. Re:How to DO things by disposable60 · · Score: 1

      That's not DO things.

      DO things is change a tire, change the oil, CHECK the oil, CHECK the tires, BUILD a bench or table, INSTALL a door, install a deadbolt, shut off the water so you can replace a faucet, shut off the gas because you smell a leak, drive in the snow, drive at night, drive in the rain, drive a manual transmission vehicle, lift a heavy piece of furniture into a U-Haul, secure it, drive 2500 miles, unload it and put it where you want it.

      You may not think those are 'tech', but there's a ton of real life stuff you _should_ know how to do that can save your booty (and bank account) while you're not designing electronic doodads or flappy apps.

      --
      You're looking for quotes? See my journal.
    2. Re:How to DO things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or put differently: Without lamps, there would be no light. -Jon Bender

  37. How to say "Fries with That" by seven+of+five · · Score: 1

    In Chinese.

    1. Re:How to say "Fries with That" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Chinese.

      N yào sh tiáo?

  38. teach them how to wipe their asses... by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 1
    Since you specifically describe the children and mention that it is a "summer brief tech enrichment program", do not forget to do what the military does: teach them how to wipe their asses...

    Seriously, while (almost all) children already know the basics of how to use tech, repeating basics never hurt anyone: some kids may learn things they never know, and for those that already know them... repetition is the mother of knowledge. So, always start from the basics ("how to wipe their asses"), and only then move to what ever you may choose to teach - actually, depending on time/level, you may end up teaching them just the basics, but this is not bad. Remember their needs, not your vision (note: i may underestimate the level of students you describe - but in any case: start from the basics)

    --
    Antisthenes: "Wisdom begins by examining the words/names." - excuse my English, i am (slightly...) better with my Greek!
  39. Obama Speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obama Speech

    Obama gave a speech on this topic, interestingly he does not care about the outcome

  40. professional strategic decisions (in adversity) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your student is going to go to college, maybe, and get out and want a career and get bent over and assaulted by the real world that they are unprepared for.
    Human resources is going to try to sell them at half the going rate, and if they don't know better then they will lose out for the rest of their life because of it.
    The team isn't. How do you deal with the warfare they wage against their "team members"?

    The boss is often clinically a psychopath - that is why the top 0.5% gets 99% of all "real" power in the US.
    The team isn't, they are there only for the money.
    Many departments have lines and purposes, and if you are against them they will crush you - in a career-ending way.
    It is war. It isn't a modern-high-school-security war, it is game-theoretic "bloodless" war.

    If I wanted to radically equip high school students then I would teach them applied decision theory (game theory meets office-space meets what-is-success-in-life)

    It isn't computer, electric, drafting - but it makes folks who get into it to be able to survive it.
    If you want to help them to have a good life, something like that would go farther than an AP Calculus course or 4 at improving outcomes.

  41. Typing will be with us for a long time by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Until pushing mechanical buttons to transfer symbols from a human to a machine becomes obsolete.

    Not going to happen in my lifetime I think. What will replace it? Dictation? That's a skill you have to train and most people can't do it without a lot of difficulty. Plus nobody wants to dictate everything they are doing out loud. Brain interface? Wake me when we're talking about technologies that aren't science fiction. That falls into the possible but unlikely and certainly a long way off category.

    There may be some kids that will use typing skills until they die (i.e. not forever), but more importantly I doubt that the qwerty keyboard will still be around in 100 years.

    I can almost guarantee that we'll still be using querty keyboards in 100 years. I'd actually be shocked if we weren't.

    Surely by then we will be able to just think about what we want to type and have it appear on the (whatever replaces screens).

    Screens aren't going away either. Certainly not in my lifetime.

    1. Re:Typing will be with us for a long time by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      I could see QERTY disappearing within two decades. Machines reading (a small simple portion of ) mind already a reality.

    2. Re:Typing will be with us for a long time by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      Not going to happen in my lifetime I think. What will replace it? Dictation? That's a skill you have to train and most people can't do it without a lot of difficulty. Plus nobody wants to dictate everything they are doing out loud.

      I never said anything about dictation.

      Brain interface? Wake me when we're talking about technologies that aren't science fiction. That falls into the possible but unlikely and certainly a long way off category.

      I specifically referenced controlling computers directly by thoughts. And in fact brain/machine interfaces are already a reality, they just aren't very advanced yet. I also specifically gave a lifetime for the death of the qwerty keyboard of 100 years (a long way off).

      I can almost guarantee that we'll still be using querty keyboards in 100 years. I'd actually be shocked if we weren't.

      I think some people will still be using them. Some people still use trebuchets (for trebuchet competitions). But tebuchets have disappeared as the dominant tool for their original intended use (warfare).

      Screens aren't going away either. Certainly not in my lifetime.

      I suppose it depends what you define as a screen. Are oculus rift and a google glass "screens"? What about a device that sits right up next to an eyeball that only shoots light through the pupil and onto the retina. What if it is in the eyeball itself? What if the computer never even converts the electrical video signal to photons, and merely converts the signal to be readable by the human brain (mimicking what the eye does), and bypasses the eye entirely by injecting signals to the optic nerve.

      What if we have brain implants that simply provide an additional video signal? It is not only eyes that are capable of transmitting visual information. People have learned to echo locate. People have learned to see images by devices that transfer signals through their tongue.

    3. Re:Typing will be with us for a long time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if the computer never even converts the electrical video signal to photons, and merely converts the signal to be readable by the human brain (mimicking what the eye does), and bypasses the eye entirely by injecting signals to the optic nerve.

      Unless it's to restore sight from some accidental blindness, I'm not letting my personal computing device anywhere near my optic nerve. You think spam's bad now?

    4. Re:Typing will be with us for a long time by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Subvocalization and the silent speech interface eliminate the need to speak out loud for "dictation".

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    5. Re:Typing will be with us for a long time by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      You still get spam?

  42. main parts of Office; one coding language by peter303 · · Score: 1

    Its hard to get a summer office job if you dont know the major parts of Office, or an equivalent.

    1. Re:main parts of Office; one coding language by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      Its hard to get a summer office job if you dont know the major parts of Office, or an equivalent.

      Well, there's Dwight Schrute, and Jim Halpert, and Pam Beesly, and...

      Wait, those are the major parts of The Office. My bad.

  43. Mechanical Physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've seen too many college grads that are dumber than a doorknob when it comes to figuring out how something works. A semester of basic physics/classical mechanics will help.

  44. Moderation by penguinoid · · Score: 1

    Probably the most important tech skill students need to know to be successful in school, is knowing when to put down the tech and pay attention in class.

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  45. Three skills (not exactly tech skills) by timholman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Three skills that will be invaluable to any HS student later in life:

    (1) Good writing, i.e. being able to write well enough to communicate ideas effectively and convincingly (requires a lot of recreational reading, by the way, which doesn't seem particularly popular among the younger generation nowadays).

    (2) Being able to stand up in front of an audience and give a good presentation.

    (3) Knowing how to touch type.

    Invaluable at age 18, and equally invaluable at age 68, no matter what direction your career leads you in.

    1. Re:Three skills (not exactly tech skills) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't agree with this enough. I had an anthropology professor that took points off for poor grammar. The class complained. His answer was a phrase that lives with me to this day,"The assignment was to communicate your answer clearly. By using poor grammar and poor spelling you failed to do so; you didn't complete the assignment." He said it in a more sophisticated tone.

      If I took only one thing away from college, this would be it. This is what I tell kids.

    2. Re:Three skills (not exactly tech skills) by John_Sauter · · Score: 1

      Three skills that will be invaluable to any HS student later in life:

      (1) Good writing, i.e. being able to write well enough to communicate ideas effectively and convincingly (requires a lot of recreational reading, by the way, which doesn't seem particularly popular among the younger generation nowadays).

      (2) Being able to stand up in front of an audience and give a good presentation.

      (3) Knowing how to touch type.

      Invaluable at age 18, and equally invaluable at age 68, no matter what direction your career leads you in.

      Very true. The most valuable skill I learned in high school was typing. The second most valuable was public speaking. I more-or-less picked up writing skills later. I used all three in my 17 years as a software engineer at Digital Equipment Corporation: typing for coding, writing for project plans and functional specifications, and public speaking for team meetings and DECUS presentations. I still use those skills today, at age 69.

    3. Re:Three skills (not exactly tech skills) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assuming you mean fictional books for recreational reading, you're leading people in the wrong direction as to how they can communicate ideas effectively. The style of writing used in an effective technical manual (which is what you'd likely want to emulate to communicate non-fictional ideas) is rather different from what people will typically read recreationally.

      Reading will help, but the worthwhile reading for this purpose will be from RTFM.

    4. Re:Three skills (not exactly tech skills) by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      As my mentor at IBM points out:

      He who writes the paper gets the credit.

      If you write up the solution, process, procedure, results, etc, when people want to know what happened, they will come to you first, even though the whole team is credited.

      Talk up the teammates, make sure they get credit too, don't be a dick.
      But I assure you that you will be noticed and it will be your name attached to the project.

      Same with meetings. Set them up, chair them if necessary, or turn it over to someone who will. Either way, you are seen as "owning" the meeting.
      Extra credit: write up the minutes and publish them.

      Again, you are not taking credit, just taking the initiative and being helpful. That goes a long way in any situation.

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    5. Re:Three skills (not exactly tech skills) by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      Not exactly true.

      My "writing" skills were derived from traditional methods, i.e. prose, storytelling, etc. (a lot from playing MMORPGS =) ).

      Most people comment on how easy my writing is to follow, how I tell a story about the technology and not just the details, that it is even occasionally entertaining.

      A Distinguished Engineer here at IBM that I do some work for called my writing style as "Very personable"

      Considering most of my work for him is when things have gone all pear shaped and I am reporting on what we did to fix it, it is probably a good thing. =)

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    6. Re:Three skills (not exactly tech skills) by John_Sauter · · Score: 1

      Being responsible for writing the minutes is crucial. If it doesn't appear in the report of the meeting, it didn't happen.

  46. Learn to think by __aabppq7737 · · Score: 1

    I'm 15. At my high school, adolescents are just beginning to realize that they have the ability to genuinely think for their own in the creative arts. This skill is important in life. In conjunction with free thought, concentration, deep memory, and logical reasoning can be gained from chess. Make a chess club at a school, then a few nerds will come and play, more non-nerds will come to socialize, and soon you'll be inculcating the cognitive milestones taught in chess to an entire generation. It's not about what skills high-school students need. It's about what thought processes they need.

  47. Enough to keep learning by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    HS is not an education but a primer to education. No one looks at a high school student and says "oh he's educated" and no one ever has. The point was to give people enough so they weren't fucking clueless.

    So you teach them to read, some geography, enough math that they can understand the basics and can grasp the beginnings of the next levels up. You teach them some literature and so they understand what some of that culture stuff is all about... etc etc.

    What tech skills do HS students need? Enough to generally understand what they're looking at and how things work so they can continue to learn if they so choose.

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    1. Re:Enough to keep learning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So ... when are you going to go back for your GED then, hotshot? You aren't exactly becoming more valuable on the job market by staying in your parents' basement writing slashdot comments.

    2. Re:Enough to keep learning by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      Hey bingo

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    3. Re:Enough to keep learning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? Of all the things to say when confronted with the obvious - your lack of education - your comment made the least sense.

  48. Teach them problem solving by kdub007 · · Score: 1

    Don't focus on language, or one operating system, or any of that. Give them problems and encourage/help them figure out the answer as much on their own as possible. When they enter the workforce, they will be asked to deal with problems that they have never seen before (hence, why there isn't already a solution.) Being able to adapt is the most important skill in tech, or any field for that matter.

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  49. Not all tech-specific, but... by ErichTheRed · · Score: 1

    Every "tech skill" most people talk about has a very short half-life. Look at how many languages, mobile platforms and frameworks appear every year. Some get picked up, some don't, and some live on in some obscure corner of the world.

    Don't focus on "skills" -- focus on "fundamentals." I've had a reasonably good career for almost 20 years now, and falling back on strong fundamentals has always saved me when faced with a new challenge. Anyone can learn how to write code in Python or Ruby -- it takes a solid grounding to transfer that knowledge into different areas.

    What fundamentals would I want to teach newbies now?
    - Logic and reasoning -- It's fundamental to software, and aids in the troubleshooting process
    - Methodical troubleshooting -- I do systems work and I have encountered so many people who troubleshoot using the shotgun method, changing 50 things at once hoping one of them will work.
    - Information management -- again, from the systems world, I see lots of people who google error messages, etc. (myself included) and get 20+ ways to solve the same problem. This is one place where instant information access can backfire. Learn to recognize what is relevant and what is not.
    - Systems integration -- a catch-all term, but basically "how to gather all the components together and make them work." I have had the opportunity to work on very interesting projects simply because I was willing to get my hands dirty in areas outside of my comfort zone and learn enough about them to be useful.
    - Social skills -- I'm not, and will never be, an extroverted salesperson type. However, there's a broad spectrum and you don't want to be on the "asocial nerd" side of it. Fair or not, people who don't at least try to work with others are increasingly marginalized in their careers. Management would much rather offshore some obscure technical skill than deal with someone they find unpleasant. If every interaction with you becomes an argument about who's right, that's a pretty good sign...and I see this time and time again with lots of people I work with (both technical and non-technical.)

    On the technical side, I'd love to see a demystification of platforms-in-a-box. The tablet/phone world is a perfect example of abstracting a system so far that you can't see anything it's doing under the hood. There's no more filesystem, data access is handled for you, etc. If you grow up using systems like this, it's hard to come back down into the weeds and see the "magic" that makes all this stuff work end-to-end.

    Fundamental stuff like this has been a very good skill set to build on. The rest is all learned as needed, forgotten about, and dusted off later on. For example, I've learned and re-learned Citrix 3 times when I've needed to for a project. I re-learn enough Linux for a project when the need arises (I do Windows stuff for work mostly.) And, I'm currently upgrading years of Windows scripting and automation knowledge by learning PowerShell.

  50. The most important skill for HS graduates to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That should be obvious. The most important skills are the following:

    1. Speak a foreign language
    2. Train your foreign counterpart in all your job duties
    3. Good communication and interpersonal team building

    That's about it, really, except how to apply for an EBT card but there's lots of people that can help with that one.

  51. Bare Beginners by Raannndy · · Score: 1

    1) Proper typing. They should be hitting 70 wpm minimum by the time they graduate high school, without looking at the keyboard.

    2) Basic repair skills. How to remove a virus. How to install an antivirus. How to remove items from Windows start-up. Linux would be great here... but whether or not that is feasible is a different conversation. Basically if the computer doesn't work, they can't use it.

    3) Possibly the most useful piece of information is how to search for information. I know using a search engine is 2nd nature to many of us, but for some people it is a foreign concept. An interesting exercise could be coming up with a completely random question (e.g. "On average, how many inches are the front legs of a fully grown male giraffe?"), and then tasking the students with finding the answer. They can be rated on 1) Correctness of the answer given, 2) Reliability of the source, and 3) Time it took to find the information.

  52. Technology is Neither the Problem nor the Solution by Capt.Albatross · · Score: 1

    They need critical reasoning skills and an understanding of how the world they live in actually works.

  53. Careful betting on future technology by sjbe · · Score: 1

    I could see QERTY disappearing within two decades. Machines reading (a small simple portion of ) mind already a reality.

    I don't. The brain "reading" machines we have are incredibly crude right now. Had you said 40 or more years I *might* agree that it's possible if unlikely and certainly not likely to eliminate qwerty keyboards. But I really don't see it happening any sooner than that. You also have to consider the creepiness factor. There are a LOT of people that are going to be seriously weirded out by the notion of having their brain "read" even if it is completely innocuous. Furthermore it's not clear at this time that humans can easily translate brain signals into text competently. Our brains aren't entirely under our control and I can easily see someone typing a sentence and halfway throu... "holy shit that chick is hot". And hilarity will ensure.

    1. Re:Careful betting on future technology by Oligonicella · · Score: 2

      Oh hell, that happens with keyboards too. I've posted before that while working on a time crunch problem, the manager of my manager was hanging around and keeping his nose in her business. She was trying to type up a synopsis of the current status to email to *his* boss and he was continually asking her questions and pressuring her to hurry the solution up. Fortunately for her I was standing there to answer questions for her memo because in the middle of a sentence she wrote "fuck you". I leaned way over to block his vision and pointed saying "I think you have a typo there ."

    2. Re:Careful betting on future technology by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      And 20 years ago if I said people would be talking into their mobile phones for automated search and directions you'd say

      "I don't. The cellular phone machines we have are incredibly crude right now..."

    3. Re:Careful betting on future technology by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

      and voice recognition is still quite crude twenty years later.

      I can barely get the software to recognize simple phrases especially in a noisy environment like a car.
      I say CALL, it hears MALL, and so on.

      I cannot imagine trying to dictate code / script this way ( I would go insane )

      print space backquote date backquote space pipe space awk space singlequote leftcurlybrace print space dollarsign two rightcurlybrace singlequote . . . etc.

      Now imagine a cubicle farm of fifty people all doing this aloud. :|

    4. Re:Careful betting on future technology by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      Furthermore it's not clear at this time that humans can easily translate brain signals into text competently.

      Brains adapt. Before language it was not clear the humans could speak language. Before math was invented it was not clear that humans could do math.

      It is not a prerequisite that a technology be 100% free of errors for it to be more useful than a keyboard.

      All that is required is for the technology to work better than a keyboard for a significant portion of the population. It can potentially be better than a keyboard for everyone who can think faster than they can type.

      Will there be the "thought"-equivalent of a typographical error? Sure. There is no reason to think that a cogni-graphical errors will be anymore of a deal breaker than typographical errors were for keyboards/typewriters. You will no doubt fix your errors by thought as well, which will probably be faster than the backspace button.

    5. Re:Careful betting on future technology by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      and voice recognition is still quite crude twenty years later.

      It went from being non-existent to making occasional mistakes (which humans also do when listening), but it is not quite as good as human speech recognition.

      There was a time when chess playing computers weren't quite as good as competent human chess players, and then they were beating the best human player within a few decades.

      Now at chess tournaments, computers analyze who is ahead and what the best next move is because they are categorically better at chess than humans.

      One day you will be asking a computer to do speech recognition on voicemails that you can't understand, because the computer is better at it.

  54. work! by djfake · · Score: 1

    They need to be able to work, real hard, without asking a ton of questions.

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    1. Re:work! by __aabppq7737 · · Score: 1

      and self-organise

  55. Math and physics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They need to learn math and physics so they learn why things are simplified.

    For instance why in studying the thermodynamics of a cow, WHY we start with a spherical cow.

    They need to learn how to distinguish between what scientists are saying and what idiotic science journalists are saying and they can't be mislead so easily by the bullshit being spewed.

  56. The concern isn't relearning by Ravaldy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Learning what is today's standard is fine even if 5 years from now it won't be. It plants basic principles that will assist students in learning the newer things. JS language and structure allows you to quickly jump into C, C++, C# because the base is the same.

    HTML in the 90's is still valid today. The basic concept remains with added enhancements in the form of CSS, JS, Flash...

    The most important thing in school is to learn how to learn. They do this by forcing students to be creative and resourceful.

  57. Funnily enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My wife and I had a discussion about this after an acquaintance went on a rant about kids not knowing how to write in cursive and "do so much as sew on a button". We concluded that, apart from the core skills of reading, writing and a little math almost every other everyday skill could be quickly learned if someone knows how to use a web search engine and YouTube.

    The same is probably true of many tech skills. How do I set up an apache server? Google tells me how and if I'm a visual learner it's probably on YouTube

  58. Re:Technology is Neither the Problem nor the Solut by __aabppq7737 · · Score: 1

    that's what adolescence is for

  59. Tech Skills aren't important for them. by FuegoFuerte · · Score: 1

    Teach them that for many people, tech skills are pointless. They don't need "tech skills" to be successful in life, they need people skills, writing skills, basic math skills, troubleshooting skills, thinking skills. If these kids aren't excited about tech, team them things that DO excite them, like welding, or cooking, or auto repair, or carpentry, or plumbing, or any of a host of other things useful in real life. Not everyone needs "tech skills" to be successful.

    1. Re:Tech Skills aren't important for them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I went to a 'prep' school where 98% of the graduating class went to college and 62% of those were to ivy league colleges. We were taught reading, writing and math pretty much in that order of emphasis. Yes, there were other things like science, history, blah blah, but these were greatly deemphasized much to my disappointment because science was mostly all that I was interested in at the time.

      On reflection though, I believe this to be a good course as tech is easily enough self teachable and not that many people have good communication skills, myself included, but much better I believe had it not been forced upon me for 4 years. I had to read over 30 novels per year (things like Federalist Papers, not Harry Potter). All of my siblings who attended public institutions made it all the way through without reading a single book or writing a single paper.

      One of my favorite quotes is

      For the others, we can say that Muad'Dib learned rapidly because his first training was in how to learn.

  60. Re:Technology is Neither the Problem nor the Solut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Critical reasoning skills from the Prussian Education System? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_education_system

    Have them read Brave New World and decide which class they want to belong to: the ones giving orders, the ones taking orders, or the ones living on an island.

  61. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is a computer... by DavidHumus · · Score: 1

    Basic vocabulary is a good place to start. Going forward, knowing how to type and how to use an editor efficiently will probably stand them in good stead, brain-reading computer overlords excepted. Knowing how to look up relevant things on the internet might be a longer-term goal, which depends on having a good conceptual framework. Motivation is key but not something you can really teach other than by pointing out some of the possibilities and hoping something grabs their attention.

  62. GNU/Linux good skill in 1998 and good now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If that doesn't suit you teach that plus web development. Deploy a drupal installation with Ubercart. Give kids basic skills in technology so they can start there own business. Other good things: search skills. Utterly lacking by nearly everybody. You don't need to be a programmer to find usefullness in typing "x y z" + "c d" site:somesite.com into a search engine to narrow down information. Hell, I can't think of a single business where having good search skills won't come in handy.

  63. What needs to be corrected? by msobkow · · Score: 1

    What misconceptions or outright lies have become so ingrained in young people's use of technology that they need to be addressed?

    Above all else, they need to be freed of the delusion that the ability to use a smart phone or tablet qualifies as "technical skills." Those devices are appliances, and using one does not confer any actual technical skills or knowledge at all.

    Back in my university and high school days, it would be like someone who took a typing class claiming that they're "PC literate" because they know how to keyboard.

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  64. Ability to download by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ability to download for free the unreasonably expensive textbooks.

  65. Need to understand it's not a memory typewriter by WillAdams · · Score: 1

    The problem for how most people use technology is that they accept the defaults, then laboriously, manually, at each necessary point, alter things by hand so as to achieve the desired effect.

    Understanding how to set up:

      - style sheets (even in a basic word processor)
      - macros (yep, word processors have these too)
      - piping commands at the command line
      - semantic tagging

    will go a long way towards making them more productive (and me much happier when I get book manuscripts which are properly set up).

    Hint, if you find it necessary to turn off the viewing of special characters 'cause of the visual noise, you're doing it wrong.

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  66. Misses the Point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you limit technology to tablets and smartphones you are just teaching HS students to be consumers. In the words of Lazarus Long "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects."

  67. Learn how to learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Learn how to learn.

    How to be resourceful and find the information that will help you do the things that you need to do.

  68. Most important skill: Restraint by digitalPhant0m · · Score: 2

    This advice is more for the young fold, but just as important for the older folk.

    Exercise restraint on-line. Once it's out "in the cloud", there is no going back.

  69. Network Basics by superflippy · · Score: 1

    They ought to know the basics of how a network is put together. Understand vocabulary like router, server, LAN, WAN, ethernet, packet. Not saying they're all going to be future sysadmins, but people who understand how data gets from one place to another definitely have an advantage in today's world.

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  70. "internet" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone teach fundamental internet to kids?

    Search engine techniques (not, and, -, site:, etc.)
    Positive use of social media (hint: it will follow you forever)
    Cloud apps like drive/docs

  71. Best HS Skill... by dark.nebulae · · Score: 1

    Honestly the best skill I learned in HS had nothing to do with computers.

    It is the one course that I've pushed my daughter to take and one course that I recommend for every HS student everywhere.

    This skill has the widest possible use and has served me in every position I've ever had. It is useful both at work as well as at home.

    That skill - touch typing. I took the class in HS because I thought it might help with papers, but I've used it even in programming. Sure you don't get the speed with numbers and punctuation as you do typing a document, but I can touch-type my code with relative speed without looking at the keyboard.

    So forget trying to pick up a language or a technology stack. By the time they get out of HS and get in the middle of college, most of that technology stack would have been discarded anyway. But if you learn touch typing, well that's a skill that will serve you for as long as we have keyboards.

  72. Tech??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the kids are not already interested in tech, I think that the better place to start is with things that they can touch, feel, hold and see. Basic electricity - switches, motors, lights, batteries, etc, leading to building motorized toy cars, boats, or whatever strikes their imagination. They are more likely to become initially interested in physical things before relatively abstract things like files and programming. The next step might then be using Arduino, Pi's, etc, to control the things that they can touch.

  73. Most are not relevant by blue9steel · · Score: 1

    High School students don't have the need for most tech skills as part of a general education. There are three skills that would help them no matter what career they have in mind though:

    1) Logic - Being able to think clearly is useful for anyone
    2) Basic troubleshooting - If you have a broken anything, printer, lawnmower, work process, coffee maker or piece of software the basic idea of how to troubleshoot remains pretty much the same
    3) How to find things out when you don't know the answer - Sometimes this also involves figuring out how to decide what your question is

  74. Proper grammar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Plus the basics:
    -how to do smart searches
    -change a password
    -add a printer
    -use a word processing and spreadsheet program
    -change display settings

    1. Re:Proper grammar by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Why would anyone print anything even today? Save as PDF.

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    2. Re:Proper grammar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Printing is nice for shipping labels. Saves you time and cash.

  75. They need to be able to write effective English. by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

    Most don't. Programmers tend to be particularly bad, particularly when they're trying to think up new jargon to describe their latest brainwave.

    Microsoft, with it's culture rooted in 90's C++ techno-machismo is the worst. If I have to hear "Consume services" once more, I may puke. Want to download Powershell from the Microsoft site? Did you expect a file name like "Powershell 4.0 for 64-bit"? Well, peasant, screw you! You shall have decide if you want to download "Windows6.1-KB2819745-x64-MultiPkg.msu", or "Windows6.1-KB2819745-x86-MultiPkg.msu." Don't know your chip numbers? Tough luck, techno-illiterate. We expect you to keep up!

    If I ran the world, every software developer on Earth would be handed a copy of this book: http://xkcd.com/thing-explaine.... Not that I think things should be written like this, but at least it would prompt the worst offenders to *think* before they wrote.

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  76. not that power button, the other power button by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

    As a help desk call rep for Google in 2008, I had to instruct a software engineer with a freshly-minted Ph.D on how to turn on his computer on. The only computers he used for school work at the university was in the computer labs, where the computers were always on and someone else took care of them. It never occured to him that a computer at an Internet company might be OFF.

    1. Re:not that power button, the other power button by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As amusing as it is, presumably this only happened once and, thereafter, the engineer remembered how to turn the computer on?

    2. Re:not that power button, the other power button by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, he was software engineer, not computer engineer. Give him a break!

  77. How to count change would be #1 by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    HS students need to learn how to count change, I'm pretty sick of them being flummoxed whenever the cash register isn't working correctly.

    Being able to operate the digital controls on a fryer is probably a good foundation for a long career as well.

    (but seriously, if you want to be an Engineer, and not everyone should, get it in your head that you don't quit buying textbooks and going to class the moment you graduate college)

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    1. Re:How to count change would be #1 by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      you don't quit buying textbooks and going to class the moment you graduate college

      I ran into this problem recently when I couldn't find something in a Python 2.5 programming book (copyright 2007) and couldn't find an answer on Google, but I knew that an answer existed because I've seen similar code to what I was trying to do. So I shot off a question to the Python email list, which provided the answer I was looking for and recommended that I get a newer book that covered Python 2.7/3.4.

  78. Well... by Yunzil · · Score: 1

    They need a longer attention span and the ability to write. Neither of which is going to be served by giving them a laptop.

    Sorry.

  79. Basic hygiene & malware awareness by saccade.com · · Score: 1

    In addition to all of the above, teaching them to keep their systems up to date and avoid opening email attachments will save them serious grief down the road.

  80. Re:Technology is Neither the Problem nor the Solut by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    No! we can't let kids find out how the world actually works. The legacy we're leaving them is too embarrassing. It would be best to insulate all of our children in a bubble forever.

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  81. Screw Tech Skills by slinches · · Score: 3, Informative

    We should be teaching them home economics skills like time management, how to handle money (e.g. avoiding bad debts) and things like nutrition, cooking and how to navigate the health care system. That way they will be prepared to create a healthy & stable life for themselves, no matter what career path they choose.

    Beyond that, some additional logic and problem solving focused courses would be helpful. Followed by increased focus on narrative based philosophy/history/social studies and hands-on skills like arts & (metal/wood)working. Once everyone is graduating HS with a basic competency in those areas, then maybe we should find a place for some tech only skills like programming languages and methodologies.

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    1. Re:Screw Tech Skills by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      how to handle money (e.g. avoiding bad debts)

      That would be seen as a bad thing by schools - after all, if they saw that going back for another degree and building up more debt when you can't find a job is a bad idea, the schools would have to keep tuition hikes under the rate of inflation.

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  82. Grasshopper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Patience
    Humility
    Respect
    Manners
    Curiosity

    or, at the risk of becoming another total asshole

  83. Re:They need to be able to write effective English by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The writing template called for affective writing, not effective writing. Birds and butterflies win awards

  84. Re: GNU/Linux good skill in 1998 and good now by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    Mastering the Excel spreadsheet is a better skill than putting a website together. Not all businesses require a website or presence on the Internet, but all business do have to deal with spreadsheets from time to time. Even programmers need to learn how to programmatically move data into and out of spreadsheets for other people to use.

  85. What? How to read convention? by ebyrob · · Score: 1

    Because convention is 90% of everything... Knowing how to add 2 numbers or measure distance with triangles isn't going to teach you which side of the road to drive on. (Or even that you multiply across then down in matrix multiplication)

  86. Curiosity by responsibleusername · · Score: 1

    and the appreciation for knowledge and understanding. When I look back at pre-college education, thats honestly most of what I took away and its served me well. The desire to learn and figure things coupled with the access to information and mentorship is a recipe for student success. Most skills will be picked up as needed to solve whatever problem you are interested in.

  87. Tech skills by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Know how to work a plunger, kid? You're hired!

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  88. necessary skill by CosaNostra+Pizza+Inc · · Score: 1

    lolspeak

  89. Add, Substract, Read, Write, Think by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

    What Tech Skills Do HS Students Need To Know Now?

    None. When I go to Japan, it is impossible not to notice how intelligent people are. Intelligent as in being able to express themselves, to think, reason, and synthesize positions out of multiple sources of information. This is not to say there aren't ignorant dumb-asses over there, but you can tell that basic, common education delivers over there.

    Here, education is quite unequal. Some schools have nothing to envy from countries like Finland, whereas other schools churn graduate kids who cannot add fractions or read an Op.Ed. Student cohorts that gravitate to the later condition tend, IMO, to be the ones least likely to understand the benefits of technology.

    Before we even get to the point of teaching technical skills to kids, we need to first worry about teaching them how to reason and operate effectively in a literate world. When they do that, a whole world of thinking opportunities, tasks and problems requiring solving comes into existence.

    That gives a context in which technology can be applied. Better yet, people that are already literate begin, on their own, to apply technology to their needs. Beyond that, HS kids need to know the basics of computer security (recognizing spam attempts, running an anti-virus, backing up data on thumb drives, etc.) and basic usage of spreadsheets and word processors.

    The last two (spreadsheets and word processors) can only be used effectively in a "problem" context. You use spreadsheets to create a balance, or budget, or to track expenses, or to calculate your mortgage rate, or how the cost of material and labor in making a home repair. That comes with a good understanding of arithmetic and algebra applied to real world problems (such as personal finance).

    And all that comes from the capacity of engaging in abstract thinking. Form follows function. The form of solving a problem (using technology) follows function (the need to solve a problem). And a person cannot envision a problem or a need to solve it if he/she cannot think about it in practical, useful and abstract terms.

    1. Re:Add, Substract, Read, Write, Think by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

      "None. When I go to Japan, it is impossible not to notice how intelligent people are. Intelligent as in being able to express themselves, to think, reason, and synthesize positions out of multiple sources of information. This is not to say there aren't ignorant dumb-asses over there, but you can tell that basic, common education delivers over there."

      This is because their basic, common public education is pretty much on par ( or exceeds ) with college level coursework here. Unlike the United States, being intelligent / smart or getting high marks isn't looked down upon. Here, you get ostracized for showing any sort of aptitude for learning. Their high schools exist to educate, vs merely serving as a location for hosting a Football stadium. I have nothing but respect for their educational system and none at all for our own.

      Many of the other countries on the planet have figured out that a well educated population easily trumps the ignorant ones. Apparently the United States hasn't quite got there yet considering how piss poor our public education system really is. ( Especially funding wise ) They'll certainly figure it out in a generation or two when the other nations leave us in the dust.

      To be honest, we should copy / emulate their public education system but I don't think our society could handle it. Can't put too much stress on little Timmy now can we ? He's in the starting lineup for Friday nights game ! :|

  90. That depends on what you mean by "success"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the purpose of school is actually educational, then your High School students need to have an independent interest in the the technology they are to be learning. (Although if that is in-place, they don't really need you)

    If you simply want kids that obey rules, understand the textbooks, do well on tests, then graduate and go on to take orders from employers and code to spec, then there isn't really much tech-specific information your students need for your students to get started: Reading, writing, and arithmetic.

    If you want them to be able to establish requirements, conduct research and invent things, then you're basically SOL here, because that requires skills that can't actually be taught (or even objectively analyzed). It can be promoted, but any attempt to do so will easily pit you against the prevailing academic system (The Prussian Model), since you'd basically have to find those students, put them out of school as early as possible, and give them either meaningful responsibilities or a lot of time to explore and invent.

  91. The number 1 skill is "learning how to learn". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The number 1 important skill is "learning how to learn". The number 2 important skill is "people skills".

  92. It seems like only yesterday . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I must be 3-4 years younger than you, since the TRS80 came out when I was still in middle school. I remember walking in front of Radio Shack, there would always be a couple of them out front that kids had written a quick BASIC program to fill the screen with "FRAMPTON RULES" or "John loves Mary".

    The first PC we had at home was a Morrow running CPM for its OS. I think it ran Wordstar and Visicalc. Dad used it for programming in COBOL, mostly, with some FORTRAN

  93. Very generic ones by lq_x_pl · · Score: 1
    • Logic
    • Statistics
    • Critical Thinking/Analysis

    and maybe some kind of programming language so they can practice turning their thoughts about a process into an automated one.

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  94. I would not learn how to flip burgers. by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

    Or counting change.

    Since robots will be doing that.

    If they are lucky, being able to speak Chinese or Hindi, could be a good thing

    Otherwise just have them read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.

  95. What High School Students Need to Learn by bezenek · · Score: 1

    ...about computers.

    Yes, they need to know how to read, write, type, and do math, but this question was about computers.

    Students should know how to convert base-10 numbers to binary.

    They should understand how to map a character set to binary.

    They should understand how to add two numbers in binary and then--time permitting--learn about AND/OR/XOR gates.

    They should understand the concepts of CPU/memory/bus/network/storage and transferring data over a wire.

    They should understand that a network can be wired or wireless.

    They should understand what a cloud computing facility looks like and how their files get to/from it.

    After the above, given time, you can teach them enough so they can decide whether or not they want to pursue a degree in computer science. This might include parsing a language by hand, talking about simple algorithms and algorithmic complexity, introduction to the Turing machine and computability, and maybe some simple data structures like arrays and linked lists.

    Each of the above concepts can be absorbed and exercised in a week.

    -Todd

    p.s. "Computability" was not in my Chrome dictionary. Sheesh!

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  96. Real Life Skills by sycodon · · Score: 1

    1. Change a tire, fill the radiator, change the battery, change the oil (at least know how to check it).
    2. Understand the plumbing system in your home.
    3. Know how to cook without a microwave and prepackaged foods.
    4. Basic navigation...at least know the difference between North South East West.
    5. Basic understanding of firearms.
    6. Read a map and get somewhere without GPS.
    7. How to sharpen a knife.
    8. Long division, multiplication, etc...with a pencil and paper.
    9. How to swim.
    10. Make fire.

    Time to go home, so that's all you get.

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    When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
    1. Re:Real Life Skills by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I would add basic arithmetic, and the ability to do sums in your head.

      Where do you use it? In real life, when dealing with money. You go to the grocery store, you pick up stuff, you check out. How about knowing if your basket of food is in your budget? Or if buying that extra treat will break the budget?

      Being able to estimate your basket with tax is handy, and doing so without dragging out a calculator doubly so.

      Yes, the register does it all, but how do you know the price got scanned correctly? Many times you can save a few bucks through scanning errors by realizing what was $3 scanned for $4. And sometimes, if you read those little posted notices, you can get $10 off a scanned error (or for stuff under $10, free!).

      For #5, I'd change that to "Safe handling and familiarization of firearms". Understand what is what, actually go to a range and fire them, and all that. As a non-American, I don't believe everyone needs firearms, but I believe educating everyone on the safe and responsible use and storage of them should be mandatory. I don't care if you're for gun control (I personally am), or against it. I believe everyone should be informed about them, their dangers, their uses and be able to actually come up with decent legislation to keep them free to those who want to be responsible enough to use them, while away from those who really aim to do evil with them.

    2. Re:Real Life Skills by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      I would add basic arithmetic, and the ability to do sums in your head. Where do you use it? In real life, when dealing with money. You go to the grocery store, you pick up stuff, you check out. How about knowing if your basket of food is in your budget? Or if buying that extra treat will break the budget? Being able to estimate your basket with tax is handy, and doing so without dragging out a calculator doubly so.

      This is one of the few things in the area of mathematics, that I think we really don't need people to be good at.

      Using a calculator is really easy. Calculators are really cheap. They are solar powered and don't even need batteries. And they are incalculably more accurate than a human being at crunching numbers.

      Should kids be able to do arithmetic? Yes. But I don't think they need to approach the accuracy of a calculator (which is nearly impossible). I think they should be able to know how to do it, as this knowledge is fundamental to mathematics, but being able to do it quickly and error free in your mind is a waste of time considering nearly every person has a calculator in their pocket at all times.

      There was a time when mathematicians all had volumes of books of logarithms. They could tediously calculate the logarithms tediously by hand (and make lots of mistakes). Or they could much more quickly and accurately look up the value in a book. Then "cheap" calculators came along (e.g. like $1000), and all the mathematicians threw away their logarithm books.

      Mathematics is for humans. Arithmetic is for calculators.

      Yes, the register does it all, but how do you know the price got scanned correctly? Many times you can save a few bucks through scanning errors by realizing what was $3 scanned for $4. And sometimes, if you read those little posted notices, you can get $10 off a scanned error (or for stuff under $10, free!).

      All that effort to save a couple bucks here and there? Not only that, but rather than checking the register in your head, you could have checked the register on your own calculator and caught even more mistakes and saved even more money.

      Even after all the governments fall in the zombie apocalypse, and we lose all our technology as our power plants shut down, we will still have millions of solar powered calculators.

    3. Re:Real Life Skills by heybiff · · Score: 1

      I think most of your suggestions are beyond the scope of the program, and not possible in the time allotted. I will suggest them to the families. -H

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    4. Re:Real Life Skills by thedonger · · Score: 1

      1. Change a tire, fill the radiator, change the battery, change the oil (at least know how to check it). 2. Understand the plumbing system in your home. 3. Know how to cook without a microwave and prepackaged foods. 4. Basic navigation...at least know the difference between North South East West. 5. Basic understanding of firearms. 6. Read a map and get somewhere without GPS. 7. How to sharpen a knife. 8. Long division, multiplication, etc...with a pencil and paper. 9. How to swim. 10. Make fire.

      Time to go home, so that's all you get.

      I learned all of those (except half of #1) before I was 12 (for perspective, 1984), so I take for granted their presence in my life. Unfortunately, I think numbers 3, 4, 6, and 7 are skills in short supply among parents these days, which means their children will also not have those skills. (People think they know how to sharpen knives, but give them a set of stones and some honing oil and they will look at you cross eyed.) Number 5 is taboo for many people, as their understanding is simply "firearms are dangerous and they kill people," which engenders fear rather than understanding or respect.

      In regard to the original question, I think "writing" is the most appropriate answer. People should learn your 10 steps before 7th grade.

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    5. Re: Real Life Skills by OklahomaRed · · Score: 1

      Solve problems!!

      Understand them, atomize them, describe the solution, implemtnet it.

      Throw it away & do it right, now that you really understand the problem.

      Red

  97. speak hindi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They need to know how to speak Hindi so they can communicate with all the H1b co-worker

  98. Amiga Basic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Master Amiga Basic, and then you can program anything. Start with that, learn it all, and they you will be well on your way to doing all the rest (its like aritimetic: understand how addition, subtraction, multiplication and division work, and then you can add on more advanced topics like Fourier Transforms, Line Integrals, and Navier-Stokes Equations before you transition to higher mathematics.

  99. how about non-technical skills by omibus · · Score: 1

    * Balance a checkbook
    * Read a recipe and cook a meal
    * Typing
    * How to write coherently.
    * How to read a blueprint (something I've found very useful)
    * Basic woodworking.
    * Basic engine mechanics.
    * Basic plumbing
    * Basic electrical (change a light switch)

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  100. Shipping labels by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    I have an App for that.

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    “Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
  101. Easy by DRMShill · · Score: 1

    1. Security. Strong passwords etc.

    2. Privacy. Never post anything to the internet unless you're okay with everyone seeing it for all time and eternity.

  102. Gee Whiz Tekkers! by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
    Being comfortable with smartphones and tablets does not make one a programmer.

    We can bray at the top of our lungs, cover our ears and shut our eyes, but no amount of the "Anyone can code" mantra is going to ever be true.

    Male or female by the way. You can do anything you want to do is a mantra of athletes, those who just happen to have won the genetic lottery, Same goes for rmental outlook.

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  103. One skill I'd be happy if they knew... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd be happy if today's HS graduates could read and write in coherent English.

    1. Re:One skill I'd be happy if they knew... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good point; English is the bridge language between Mandarin and Hindi/

  104. Cursive is ok in grade 2-3, not after by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The pedagogical value of cursive (in English, don't know about Arabic or other script languages) is that it teaches a "connectedness" of the letters which helps with language development. This is important in early grades (say grades 2-3) after basic manuscript (printing) has been learned. And it's valuable for some fairly small subset of the learning population. It's been removed from the modern curriculum, except in places where they maintain it as a "link to the past".

        However, after that, it has little pedagogical value for most students, who would be better served by learning how to type, spell, and use good grammar. The latter is most aided by lots of reading (lots and lots of reading) of books, since it establishes familiar patterns and usages. Reading here does NOT mean reading the Windows API documents, nor listicles on the web, nor tweets or text messages. It means sustained reading of long passages of a variety of styles.

    Back in the day of Palmer method, etc., good penmanship was a sign of good breeding (e.g. it served as a class marker). It helped distinguish the common laborer from the rising middle class: you had to manage the pen and ink, it required substantial time to master (implying that you had the leisure time to do this, as opposed working in the factory or fields). A proper young lady or gentleman would receive instruction in penmanship, along with musical instrument playing, etc.; perhaps to facilitate it's use in the professions or trades; or for giving instruction to the household managers (your sculleries and bootblacks didn't necessarily have writing, but the butler most certainly did)

    It also is a form of art training, which is certainly valuable, in the same sense that learning the basics of drafting will stand you in good stead as you stand at the white board drawing pictures to explain concepts. The concept that certain forms are more visually pleasant than others is useful (even if the good/bad distinction is culturally determined): while most of us will not be making a living generating graphic arts and such, a basic facility with layout and composition is useful. (and clearly lacking, based on the powerpoint presentations I see every day)

    Cursive is also faster than manuscript (maybe) so there is the idea of taking dictation/notes that is facilitated by cursive. A good part of the curriculum in days of yore was learning (by memory) long passages dictated by the teacher, and fast writing was useful. Today, you'd be better served by fast typing. And, in any case, there is substantial recent literature on optimum note taking strategy, and verbatim copying of the chalk and talk presentation is definitely not it.

    1. Re:Cursive is ok in grade 2-3, not after by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      learning how to type, spell, and use good grammar. [...] perhaps to facilitate it's use in the professions or trades

      FTFY.

  105. Excel by uiucgrad · · Score: 1

    Pivot tables and vlookups. Without that you are useless when it comes to data.

  106. Typing by ahoffer0 · · Score: 1

    Learn to touch type.

  107. System cleaning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Probably one of the biggest, most important tech skill anyone can have today is the ability to sanitize his personal devices of malware and trackers.

  108. My $ .02 by bbelt16ag · · Score: 1

    I would suggest you teach them how to do basic logical reasoning, you can use programming or blocks for all I care. I need my employees to be able to reason and get to a conclustion quickly. I need them to synthesize the meaning of a subject matter and be able to write about it. I want them to be able to take concepts and apply them to new things. They need to know how to spot social and psychological fallacies, god knows I can't even do that now and I went to college. Its very important to know when the BS is coming down the train at work. Helpes you avoid the stteam roller or unemployment. If these kids can do these things, then there is nothing they can't learn other wise. Show them they can learn, make it fun too, and they will learn the rest of their lives. I am not sure there is anything else I can say.

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  109. Routers, modems, switches, wifi security, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would consider the basics of home networking and wireless (both 3g/4g/etc and 802.1xxx), DHCP, LAN management and so on. Stuff that the parents have to pay "experts" to sort it all out and provide economically silly solutions.

  110. "now" is the wrong question. by ruir · · Score: 1

    You do not want them tied to present or past technologies. The industry changes too fast, and by the time you think you *ought* to teach them something, it will mean that when they hit the market, the target has moved somewhere else. You want to give them the tools for them to pick up any emergent technology on their own. Most may be proficient with facebook, or even a little more advanced, however the more pressing problem I have seen over the years, both in my trainees and in workmates, is the lack of foundations to understand how things work or why they have to do a specific task.

  111. The #1 tech skill is how to vote. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vote all the politicians who are sending the tech jobs out of country, via H1B.
    You kill the H1B program and your HS students can get tech jobs.
    You let it prosper and less and less college grads can keep their tech jobs.

    Tech skill #2 would be spreading awareness via Youtube and social media about why you will never get a decent tech job until the H1B politicians are voted out.

  112. NPR asked how many transisters in a phone CPU? by peter303 · · Score: 1

    At a Best Buy store on the anniversary of Moores Law. The salesmen said numbers like a "hundred?" or referred them to another department.

  113. 3R's mainly by servant · · Score: 1
    Still being able to read, at more than a 6th grade level, write coherently in story form as well as technical/documentation type writing, and math, more than a basic calculator can handle. An understanding of basic economics (what does 'balancing your accounts' or 'living on less than you make' really mean), and retirement ABC's (what is an IRA, ROTH, 401(k), 403(b), HSA, and how and why fund them - what is an emergency fund and why ) -- Also, for when their pending (zombie, skynet, etc) apocalypse of some flavor, be able to do all these without REQUIRING electronic devices.

    Yes, many may never go 'hard core back-pack' camping out of the reach of a cell tower, but some will. Prepare for it.

    Physical education, musical education, literary, history, economic (macro and micro), political science (civics in the old days), public speaking, all should be required and add to the quality and tapestry of life.

    The trick is to balance them. ... Who's next on the soap box!

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  114. New dogs, New tricks by volmtech · · Score: 1

    At 48 my non tech wife started nursing school. Most instruction is presented with Power Point. Here is what I had to teach her so she was able to become the most outstanding student in her class.

    Search skills. Nursing requires a broad understanding of anatomy, medical terms, and medications. At first she would type Google into the Firefox search bar to start searching. I showed her how to do a Boolean search.

    I then had to show her how to save important information. First how to bookmark a page so she could find it later. I showed her how to save a page or image to her computer so she could use it offline.

    Students need to learn how to use cooperative email systems to share information with teachers and other students in their class. She had to learn the basics of PowerPoint and Word to review the class information and write reports. She had to learn how to use the print functions of PowerPoint and Word to print out study materials. Knowing the capabilities and settings of the printer allows paper and ink savings by shrinking pages and using double sided printing if available. In an institutional setting students should know how to find and connect to an available printer.

  115. GDB by mundlapati · · Score: 1

    Teach them how to debug with GDB