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Ask Slashdot: How to Avoid The Worst of a Tech Bubble?

An anonymous reader writes: I just reached a senior level in a tech career and I've been doing pretty much a bit of everything, e.g. software architecture, full stack dev, eng. related specific dev, consultancy, etc. So I'm at a point where I want to start focusing on something that has a good development path, i.e. I won't struggle finding a job, it'll be fairly paid and it'll allow me to move up in responsibility (bigger teams, more difficult projects) if I want to. It seems like we might be heading into a new tech bubble. Based on your experience of the .com collapse and your predictions for the current market, is there any path you wouldn't recommend (or strongly recommend) if this bubble goes pop? What were the roles most affected when the .com bubble burst back in 2000 and would it be any different this time? Is there anything you can do to be better prepared, such as focusing on broader techs rather than niche techs, etc.

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  1. Plumbing. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Works on bubbles, vacuums, what have you.

    Remember, plumbing is at the heart of civilization - the Romans figured that out for us. Without plumbing, we would be up shit creek.

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    1. Re:Plumbing. by tantrum · · Score: 2

      so you're saying sysadmin for a traditional company?

    2. Re:Plumbing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Laugh all you like, but when the bubble collapsed and I lost my job, I fell back on plumbing and electrical and carpentry skills, ran my own handyman/construction business. People unable to sell their houses often renovate them, and that's where I came in. Honest day's work for an honest dollar. I'm sometimes sorry I closed up shop and went back to the paper pushing at the big defense contractor I had left.

    3. Re:Plumbing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seems like good advice BUT: Any good company that can afford to keep you on as sysadmin will not be able to pay you very much. If they start making the kind of money where they could, they will inevitably be bought by a giant corporation and your position will be replaced by a team paid 5x as much with half the talent (but with a complex system of kickbacks ensuring they get the job and you don't)

    4. Re:Plumbing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The trick is to start a side business/2nd income stream. For example, buy a small apartment, fix it and rent it out. Rinse and repeat. Pretty soon, you won't need to do real work anymore.

    5. Re:Plumbing. by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      If you think being a landlord isn't work, then I want the name of the antipsychotic medication you're taking.

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    6. Re:Plumbing. by antiperimetaparalogo · · Score: 1

      No laugh at all. Here in Greece, where our economic crisis started to had its toll for good, a friend of mine, one of the best SCADA programmers in Greece (but old and reluctant to be employed abroad, e.g., Germany), lost his job and, while he is an electrical engineer, returned to his home village and started working in agriculture - honest day's work for an honest dollar (Euro actually, but...) - but i am afraid that knowing some other trade(s)... is a dying trade!

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    7. Re:Plumbing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, totally. Pick up a copy of Rich Dad Poor Dad and leverage yourself to the hilt. What could possibly go wrong?(Clue: Real estate never goes down right?)

    8. Re:Plumbing. by fred911 · · Score: 1

      honest dollar (Euro actually,....

            Don't worry you'll be back to Drachmas soon.

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    9. Re:Plumbing. by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 1

      Remember, plumbing is at the heart of civilization - the Romans figured that out for us. Without plumbing, we would be up shit creek.

      Hear ye.

      I now jet sewers, fix main breaks, drive dump trucks, operate backhoes and repair manholes for a small City in Southern Oklahoma. And I'm happy to report that some 35 years' computer and network experience from the days of Z80/S-100 CP/M to today, starting a BBS, starting a Freenet and running two ISPs with Cisco/OpenBSD/NT/Linux, running a printshop, doing programming at a telco and consulting since age 15... has not left me impaired physically or mentally.

      Though some times when we are jack-hammering the street at midnight during an ice storm I have flashbacks.

      It's just the most stable job I could find around here and it's bubble-proof. And I like infrastructure. In Austin TX my resumé didn't mean squat because no one returned my applications or calls --- except that boiler room that pays minimum wage for DSL tech support --- which sucked, come live in the big city so you can room with three other people and still struggle to make the rent. Fuck Austin.

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    10. Re:Plumbing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you're doing what you want. After 35 years doing all of that work, you should be retired after all.

    11. Re:Plumbing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck when the next construction bubble bursts.

    12. Re:Plumbing. by Earthquake+Retrofit · · Score: 1

      I've had landlords who I wish were taking antipsychotic medication.

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    13. Re:Plumbing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you think being a landlord isn't work, then I want the name of the antipsychotic medication you're taking.

      Yup, my dad was a landlord for some years and after a few bad tenants in a row he just sold the property as he was sick of having to fix it back up again after each eviction.

    14. Re: Plumbing. by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Austin has UT; an endless stream STEM grads that will work as intern. Companies will hire and flush year after year. It's *free* labor and the grads get experience before leaving the back to where they came from. For entry level work, just forget about it! Those jobs don't pay. In fact, in the future you might have to pay the company just for experience.

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    15. Re:Plumbing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh, it may require work. It's just morally repugnant to profit off of renting the very necessities of life to people who cannot afford the same "bulk price".

      Serious question, how so? If you want to argue about "excessive" profits, that's more nuanced and fungible, but you seem to claim that renting property is morally repugnant? What about people who may only live in an area for a few months or years? Should the hotel industry be banned for renting rooms?

      Do you think I should invest in real estate, taking a risk of loss that it may depreciate, or have hidden problems, but have no chance to profit?

      What about a baker, should they make bread each day, and sell it for no-profit, risking that a slow day leaves him with unsold bread and thus a loss?

      Should a hit man be paid only the price of a bullet, or the cost of the few atoms of his blade that are left on the victim? What about the prison term risk. He might get caught so he needs to weight that risk in as pay, no matter how much fun the job may be.

    16. Re:Plumbing. by blue9steel · · Score: 1

      So, you'd prefer they live in tents?

    17. Re: Plumbing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a native Austinite, you are not just dealing with STEM grads. There are a ton of H-1Bs that are flooding the system as well.

      A CS grad in Austin better have some specialty skill, be it some Linux embedded programming, some administration skills (as in using SCOM/SCVMM/Splunk/Puppet/Chef/Ansible/webmin), or some application. If not, they will lose every time to the guy fresh off the boat, because the H-1B is going to be 100% loyal (they will or they get deported), will never gripe, or report unsafe working conditions.

      Without having the specialty skillset... well, Dell always will hire people on for the phones through Spherion, and you can enjoy the commute as the waves of people try to beat the traffic to get there. As an added bonus, all the major highways there will be toll roads, so you get the privilege of paying $5-$10 to work there.

      Perhaps the Marines might be the best way to go... the CS grad degree gets you laughed at, but show that you have jarhead status, and you at least have a shot at a decent job once out due to veteran's preference.

    18. Re:Plumbing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is Austin we are talking about. The worst that might happen is that growth might slow. Austin has too vibrant an economy and too many businesses to do anything but continue booming.

    19. Re: Plumbing. by mattwarden · · Score: 1

      Funny that you would post this on an article about bubbles. Real estate is like free money!!! Not realizing how highly you are levering yourself to expose yourself to a single asset class is a recipe for disaster.

      Not to mention that most landlords lose money.

    20. Re: Plumbing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LMAO!?

    21. Re:Plumbing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't particularly need the income from the renters. The apartments are worth more to me as something I can sell later. The rent pays for the upkeep, taxes the interest on the mortgage and covers the times when I don't have anyone in them. If you run it properly you should be able to totally cover the overhead of buying and selling real estate, that flexibility makes a lot of smart business decisions a lot easier to make.

      Right now it's mostly condos (so a single unit) and now a fourplex. Consolidating everything into one location is not terribly important to me, as I've already had to find creative ways to deal with not having a super on site 24/7. Although the condos are super convenient for me in this regard it does make it a little harder to when I have to price them an extra $400/mo to cover the association fees.

    22. Re:Plumbing. by CaptQuark · · Score: 1

      They aren't if you learn to do them yourself. Building a shelter, killing your own food, sourcing your own water, keeping up with your own sanitation problems -- all of these should be learned by everyone.

      Oh, you would rather pay someone to grow your food, handle your sanitation needs, bring your water? If they are doing this for you, they need some profit to pay another person to do the things they don't have time for because they are working for you.

      Essential life services could mean giving everyone a tent, matches, and a fishing line. Everything above that becomes a comfort item and a reasonable amount of profit to compensate the provider isn't morally repugnant.

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    23. Re:Plumbing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the reason I went into the tech field is from a poster I saw in Seattle as a kid. It had a great big buton with the text next to it that said "what will you do when this button replaces your job". The answer was simple. Get a job fixing broken buttons. Been a tech ever since.

      The industry had me in consumer electronics when VCR's, CD Players, Camcorders were expensive. Replacing a $40 video head and performing a $60 alignment was good money, then the cheap stuff arrived. I quit the cheap stuff and moved back into more expensive stuff. Broadcast electronics, Semiconductor manufacturing, and semiconductor manufacturing equipment troubleshooting. They don't let rookies work on 2 million dollar tools. It still keeps the bills paid and is too big to outsource until all TV, Radio, and US Semiconductor manufacturing move out of the country. By then I'll be retired.

    24. Re:Plumbing. by jandersen · · Score: 1

      Without plumbing, we would be up shit creek.

      We ARE up shit creek - the question is, do you have a paddle?

      I think what you are saying is, there are certain skills that are always going to be in demand, and they have little to do with new, emerging, disruptive or whatever buzz-word industry, but are the same skills that have always been useful, the common theme being practical ability - that you are able figure out which end of the hammer you hold on to etc.

      I think the important thing here is to figure out what the future is likely to hold in store in terms of computer technology. What do people think the world of computing will look like in 10 - 20 years' time? My feeling is that we have already reached the limits to what it is meaningful to put into a personal computer some time ago, so I don't think we will see much growth in the personal computer devices. I think we have reached a plateau as far as wearable devices go - the fate of gadgets like Google Glass is suggestive, and I don't think Apple''s watch will be more than a passing fad. The internet in it's current form is so rife with crime that I think, unless we really manages to solve that particular problem, we will see most of the things that are sensitive and important for our societies withdrawn from the network: things like financial transaction, public services etc.

      On that optimistic note, I think the safest bet on technology in the future may well be "the enterprise network" and the technologies that fit into it. Things like distributed computing, enterprise applications, application servers, that sort of thing. If one were to focus on one technology more than anything else, my person recommendation would be Java EE and application servers (Glassfish, WebLogic, JBoss ...)

    25. Re:Plumbing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't try stand-up comedy as your 2nd job. Try selling Bild at the roadside. You'd be fine at it.

    26. Re:Plumbing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't Sysadmin dying due to cloud?

    27. Re:Plumbing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Slashdot is far too smart a site for you pal.
      Go back to sites for people like you.
      Start from here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3099736/Holidaymakers-misery-boat-people-Syria-Afghanistan-seeking-asylum-set-migrant-camp-turn-popular-Greek-island-Kos-disgusting-hellhole.html

    28. Re:Plumbing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I would prefer that essential life services weren't "for-profit" business.

      Ah, I see. You're a fucking idiot who has no idea what makes civilized societies function.

    29. Re: Plumbing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends on your location. Here in San Francisco, where the rental market is insane, my partner and I fix most things ourselves because we don't want to do anything to jeopardize our situation -- having an affordable home where we're able to have our two dogs (ALWAYS rent to dog owners because they will be the most loyal tenants you've ever seen). We've paid thousands of dollars in rent every month of the 6 years we've lived here. Our landlord bought the building in the 70s so the mortgage a minimal cost, if not already paid off. It's clearly been an extremely smart decision for him!

    30. Re:Plumbing. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      No, I would prefer that essential life services weren't "for-profit" business.

      Ah, I see. You're a fucking idiot who has no idea what makes civilized societies function.

      Part of what makes civilized societies function is not calling people fucking idiots because they say something you don't agree with.

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    31. Re:Plumbing. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      This is Austin we are talking about. The worst that might happen is that growth might slow. Austin has too vibrant an economy and too many businesses to do anything but continue booming.

      And that sort of compacent smugness is how bubbles and crashes happen.

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    32. Re:Plumbing. by blue9steel · · Score: 1

      Well the alternative is government run housing. I don't know about you but I'm not enamored of that idea.

    33. Re:Plumbing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Government-subsidized housing is already a thing. I know a few people who live in such apartments.

      (When disproving "X is always true", anecdotes are absolutely valid, because you only need one example to disprove it.)

    34. Re:Plumbing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree. Calling people fucking idiots because they say something you don't agree with is absolutely part of what makes civilized societies function. It's called Free Speech. Acting upon that speech, however, can make progress difficult. IE, when you call someone a fucking idiot, then refuse to listen to anything they have to say.

  2. Mangement by blackt0wer · · Score: 1

    If you can finagle it, try getting into a management position. Sounds like you have plenty of experience to base your campaign off of. You'll be better compensated and have a lot more upwards mobility.

    1. Re:Mangement by Gorobei · · Score: 1

      If you can finagle it, try getting into a management position. Sounds like you have plenty of experience to base your campaign off of. You'll be better compensated and have a lot more upwards mobility.

      Too many people mistake experience for competence. The OP has "just reached a senior level in a tech career and I've been doing pretty much a bit of everything, e.g. software architecture, full stack dev, eng. related specific dev, consultancy, etc." The question should be: is he actually an expert at anything? If yes, then he has nothing to fear from downturns. If no, he's going to be out of a job in the next downturn.

      So should he try for management? Well, if he has no real skill at what he's been doing, a management role where he's unskilled and learning the ropes won't help him.

    2. Re: Mangement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong answer. The tallest grass is cut first. I was a few years into my career during the first dotcom bubble and I survived all the cuts. Next time I don't think I'll fare so well.

  3. Senior != Asking On Slashdot by BitZtream · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    If you're 'senior' anything, you should have been around long enough to know that slashdot is not the place to ask a question, especially since its a question only you or someone who knows you REALLY well can answer.

    My suggestion if you want some safety is to start with some introspection.

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    1. Re:Senior != Asking On Slashdot by supremebob · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't agree with that. A lot of the low numbered Slashdot members have been here since the 90's, and have probably seen their share of failed tech startups.

  4. How to avoid the tech bubble by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't be inside the bubble when it burst.

    1. Re:How to avoid the tech bubble by davidwr · · Score: 1

      Don't be inside the bubble when it burst.

      Don't be standing too close on the outside either. The emotional impact of the your friend's and soon-to-be-former co-worker's careers go SPLAT is no fun either.

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    2. Re:How to avoid the tech bubble by bkmoore · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't be inside the bubble when it burst.

      That's the best advice of all. Make sure that whatever you're working on, it's continued existence does not dependent its short-term market valuation. Imho, most of the losers in the 2000- bust were businesses that needed to maintain high valuations in order to have access to capital to for day-to-day operations. In short, needed to constantly borrow money to cover operating expenses.

    3. Re:How to avoid the tech bubble by WuphonsReach · · Score: 2

      Don't be inside the bubble when it burst.

      Very much this. Don't work for a shiny company that is not profitable and is valued based on hype rather then cold hard cash in the bank.

      IT work at more traditional (and well-run) companies may not be sexy and flashy, but payroll is always on time.

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  5. How to avoid tech bubbles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I presume you're really saying, "How do I avoid being laid off."

    That's simple: be more valuable to your employer than your colleagues.

    There are many ways to do it, but I recommend the following:
    1) Stay up to date on the state of the art in your industry;
    2) Volunteer for roles of responsibility on interesting and valuable projects, and help them succeed;
    3) Deliver on your commitments;
    4) Don't act like an asshole, or a prima donna, and when asked to pitch in and help in other areas outside your specific area of concern, help out;

    And for god's sake, stop whining about "impossible deadlines." Learn that if date is inflexible, scope and quality are the two metrics that must flex - and learn how to put that decision in front of your managers. Bonus points if you can demonstrate for them the financial impacts of those tradeoffs to assist in their decision making.

    There's no magical tech skill that makes you immune to a bubble. Learn what your employer values, and then provide large amounts of those values to your employer. If you can't, don't be surprised when you're the first one on the chopping block.

    1. Re:How to avoid tech bubbles? by davidwr · · Score: 1

      And for god's sake, stop whining about "impossible deadlines." Learn that if date is inflexible, scope and quality are the two metrics that must flex - and learn how to put that decision in front of your managers. Bonus points if you can demonstrate for them the financial impacts of those tradeoffs to assist in their decision making.

      Of course, sometimes a deadline really is impossible: Upper management may know good and well that the project will fail, but they've made the decision that it's better in the long run for the company to keep funding it past [some magic date] than to kill it now.

      I once knew of a company that had a 9- or 10-figure project that they knew would fail well before it shipped. It would have saved a lot of money in the very short term just to pull the plug. But they had contractual and/or customer-relationship-face-saving-type obligations to actually ship it. So they funded it until it was (barely) ship-worthy. I don't know if any customers bought it (if they did, it was probably due to their own contractual or face-saving obligations) but for all practical purposes it was DOA and anyone who was involved in the project knew it was "not DOA in name only" well before the project was officially deemed "completed and shipped."

      There are also cases - rare I hope - when upper management knows the stated quality/deadline/cost goals can't all be met, they don't care which one fails, and they don't care whose careers are killed in the process as long as it's not their own. In such cases the project manager (who is not upper management) is almost certainly going to be the main "fall guy." In some cases, upper management may be deliberately sitting back and watching the project fail so they can disband that part of the organization and lay everyone (except maybe a few cherry-picked individuals) off rather than having to go through a company-wide layoff and all of the regulatory compliance that this entails.

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    2. Re:How to avoid tech bubbles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Of course, sometimes a deadline really is impossible:

      Which underscores my point: if the date is inflexible, QUALITY or SCOPE (or both) must flex. In this case, management chose to stick to the deadline, but deliver a shoddy product that nobody wanted to buy.

      If you've made that case to your managers, and you see them choosing to do something you think will ultimately cause them to fail in the market, then you have a fair amount of lead time to start looking for something new. It does no good to bitch about their decision to the rest of the world - they've chosen to sacrifice quality in order to meet a deadline. The only choice you really have is how you'll respond to it: move to a new project, new company, throw your hands up and say "fuck it, a paycheck is a paycheck." Sitting there smugly pointing out "I told you so," doesn't help anybody.

    3. Re:How to avoid tech bubbles? by davidwr · · Score: 1

      I should have been more clearer:

      Sometimes upper management knows that the combined goals of being on time, on budget, and on quality can't be met, they know the project will fail, they don't really care which way it will fail and they certainly don't want to be seen as "taking ownership" of a doomed project when they can plausibly claim "that was Bob's (the project manager's) project," and they will ignore any information the project manager gives them and just smile a fake smile, and say, perhaps not in so many words, "that's your problem, and your neck on the line if any of these 3 goals are not met. I'll miss your good humor at the next company Christmas party."

      In short, you are right on one point: SOMEONE must choose between quality and cost if a deadline is fixed. You are incorrect that the person who realizes there is a problem can always go to management and have them make the decision. Sometimes that decision is forced on the project manager (who may or may not be "in management" in HR terminology) because the higher-ups know the project is doomed, they know who the fall guy will be, and they don't want to be seen doing anything that will cause their careers to be affected. Sigh.

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    4. Re:How to avoid tech bubbles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I should have been more clear, as well, apparently.

      What part of this is unclear:

      The only choice you really have is how you'll respond to it: move to a new project, new company, throw your hands up and say "fuck it, a paycheck is a paycheck." Sitting there smugly pointing out "I told you so," doesn't help anybody.

      If you're really working for evil management that is simply looking to push responsibility for failure off to their underlings, then you can only choose how to respond to it. If you are truly as valuable as all that, you will have no problem getting hired. If you're the type that sits around and bitches about how "I was forced to take the fall," then congratulations, you're useless because you've failed to exhibit the intelligence and initiative that are table stakes for managing your own career. Enjoy painting yourself as the hapless victim of every chance piece of bad luck that comes your way.

    5. Re:How to avoid tech bubbles? by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Still that won't help if the company you are working for goes out of business.

      Other things.
      5) Don't burn bridges: try to avoid making enemies. A bad reputation can hurt. Rumors, can spread. That guy who you hated and never gotten along with, may be the same guy who you will need to give you a decent review.

      6) Know your industry: Chances are most Technology professionals are not in the technology industry. We can be in Healthcare, Manufacturing, Retail, Government, NGO, Finance... A pop in the tech bubble doesn't mean your job will pop. If you have a good foot hold in one particular industry, use that to your advantage. Sure due to the collapse you can get cheap programmers, but do they know the industry as well as you do.

      7) Industry diversification: Try to have a fall back industry you can go back on. The thing about economic bubbles is they don't know the difference between a bubble and a strong growth sector until it pops. Know how to translate your skill to other industries, try to keep up with what other industries are doing.

      8) Keep an eye on your companies culture. Especially in smaller organizations changes in your bosses behavior is a good sign that something is up. Normally these guys are A+ Personalities who love to talk, then you find them being quite and reserved. You find that they are pushing harder then normal, for unknown reasons. Or finding ways to save money that seems to be more nitpicking.... That may be a good sign to polish your resume and start interviewing. Even if you don't think you will be targeted, because you are the star worker. Being the last one standing after layoffs really suck.

      9) Don't be in the same position and don't be a job hopper. You normally should be getting some sort of promotion (either in title or by compensation greater then normal companies salary adjustments) within every 3-6 years. Anything less then that, a company will be afraid to invest in you. Too much more Then it looks like you are happy with a dead end job. You can work at the same company for many years longer... But you will need to show growth in the career, promotions are one way. Or at least you can explain the change in your work, more then just changing technology.

      10) Avoid being a hater: Keep your anti-windows or your how ethically wrong closed source to yourself, or at least professionally, even if you are working in a position where you are using Linux and making Open source tools. By hating something, you have closed your life off from a different path. Some people will negatively call it being a a sell out, But you really should keep in mind how fixed and important your beliefs are. We care for a lot of things... However we don't care about all things equally. Say your work does a lot of good, however you need to use Windows... Does the face the Operating System that you are using that you dislike is equally or greater in its badness that it counteracts all the good that your job does?

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    6. Re:How to avoid tech bubbles? by blue9steel · · Score: 1

      I presume you're really saying, "How do I avoid being laid off."

      That's simple: be more valuable to your employer than your colleagues.

      Strangely, that's not always enough. During the last crash, I got notice that I was being promoted and getting a raise since I was "more valuable to my employer than my colleagues". Unfortunately a full third of the organization got laid off the next week, including me since they eliminated my whole job function. This was despite glowing reviews from my manager and the director. *shrug* I suppose the real answer is just to make sure you have a significant emergency fund, which fortunately I did.

    7. Re:How to avoid tech bubbles? by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      Wearing sophomoric rose coloured glasses.

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  6. Plan for the best, prepare for the worst by davidwr · · Score: 1

    I know this doesn't answer your question, but you, and for that matter everyone, should prepare for being caught in a career-derailing recession/squeeze/bubble/whatever while at the same time doing what you need to reach your personal career goals.

    Yes, you should be asking your peers (us) "what mistakes should I avoid" and "what looks promising" but you shouldn't neglect the questions of "what will I do if I get squeezed out and am forced into a low-end job for several years and when the economy does recover I basically have to start over with entry-level tech wages? Will I have to sell the house? Will my kids have to go to community college? etc. etc."

    One way - perhaps the best way - to prepare for the worst is to live below your means as a lifestyle choice. This is a very realistic option for almost everyone employed full-time in a technical field in the United States. If you don't have an emergency fund of 1-3 months of current living expenses, aggressively save until you do. Then set aside enough extra each month so you have enough cash on hand to last 9-12 months on an "austerity budget" plus enough cash on hand to do a proper job-search and/or get re-trained. The 9-12 month cushion is over and above paying your bills and credit cards on time and contributing a responsible amount towards your retirement and your kids' college fund. Raise your kids so they won't be emotionally burdened if you have to move to a smaller house/cheaper neighborhood/give up cable TV/etc. or if you have to work 2 jobs for awhile. You get the idea.

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    1. Re:Plan for the best, prepare for the worst by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      One way - perhaps the best way - to prepare for the worst is to live below your means as a lifestyle choice. This is a very realistic option for almost everyone employed full-time in a technical field in the United States. If you don't have an emergency fund of 1-3 months of current living expenses, aggressively save until you do. Then set aside enough extra each month so you have enough cash on hand to last 9-12 months on an "austerity budget" plus enough cash on hand to do a proper job-search and/or get re-trained. The 9-12 month cushion is over and above paying your bills and credit cards on time and contributing a responsible amount towards your retirement and your kids' college fund. Raise your kids so they won't be emotionally burdened if you have to move to a smaller house/cheaper neighborhood/give up cable TV/etc. or if you have to work 2 jobs for awhile. You get the idea.

      As a bonus, you never get to enjoy spending the money you're earning as there is always that nagging doubt that you should be saving more, so it becomes a positive feedback mechanism and by the age of fifty you are a rich, desperately unhappy miser.

      Without going totally YOLO, it is in fact more or less impossible for most people to save that much without continuing to live like a student into their Thirties/Forties. And that doesn't work once you have a family.

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  7. Where in tech is the bubble? by AuMatar · · Score: 5, Informative

    The bubble isn't really tech. Its some aspect of tech. Just like the .com bust was caused by too much money in startups without legitamate ways of raising revenue and the 2008 collapse wasn't a banking collapse, it was a ssubprime mortgage collapse. Figure out what the cause will be, and find a company that is not in that subfield and has minimal reliance on it. This won't allow 100% avoidance, but will limit your exposure.

    FWIW I expect the eventual burst to be due to an advertising collapse- someone has to actually sell something at some point. Established companies that sell physical goods should be immune, firmware would be a good call.

    Also, the best way to be bubble immune- cash in the bank, so you can ride it out. I don't need to work this decade, so a few months without a job won't hurt me.

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    1. Re:Where in tech is the bubble? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Established companies that sell physical goods should be immune, firmware would be a good call.

      I would expect networking type hardware companies to get hammered if Internet advertising falls hard. Who needs racks, servers, routers when they don't have money coming in anymore?

    2. Re:Where in tech is the bubble? by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      That's a good point. And in reality no place is 100% safe- secondary effects happen, and it will cut down open jobs as the job market has more supply than it can handle for a while. Even safer jobs will see less money as raises slow or stop due to market conditions.

      Another good area would be boring old line of business apps for established non-tech companies. Unless of course I'm wrong about where the bubble is forming, in which case this could be totally off.

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    3. Re:Where in tech is the bubble? by xizzi · · Score: 1

      There is definitely a bubble in China from reports as they lack safe investments. Prices have risen so much that companies are starting to talk of relocating manufacturing back in the US. This is contrary to decades of manufacturing offshoring; it is not like the US has gotten cheaper in the meanwhile. The Chinese are investing in every non-China asset they can get. So popping the China bubble eliminates that trend. Less interest in US manufacturing re-homing. Lower interest in London Flats by foreign owners. Manufacturing in China is now cheap again.

      Oil and Gas will struggle for profits because supply has not changed. At least until the major players agree to a new price fixing scheme. Then we all pay more for energy. This will be eroded by the fact we will be making investments in clean energy. Oil and gas will war with solar and wind on multiple fronts. There will be tremendous change in the automobile over the next decade or two. Investment will remain risky because of the huge capital costs involved. Success will occur in small niches that become models for the industry.

      There are a swath of companies who are not in the black at the moment. Accounting gimmicks are at an all time high. The Apple, Google, and Microsoft are trying to break out of their traditional markets in search for growth. They are looking at watches, cars, and refrigerators as (high margin?) opportunities. Money is cheap right now but that is unlikely to last.

  8. Here we go... by namgge · · Score: 2

    You are looking for a job that requires skills and qualifications as a barrier to entry and that does not depend on discretionary spending by the client. Your choices boil down to 'undertaker' or 'COBOL maintenance'. C.

    1. Re:Here we go... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's very hard to find such jobs.

    2. Re:Here we go... by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      That's because they require 60 years of experience.

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    3. Re:Here we go... by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      There's a COBOL 95?

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    4. Re:Here we go... by plopez · · Score: 2
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    5. Re:Here we go... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean "ADD ONE TO COBOL" is real??? I thought it was imaginary...

    6. Re:Here we go... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or at least complex...

    7. Re:Here we go... by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Your choices boil down to 'undertaker' or 'COBOL maintenance'

      Maybe there is a relationship between these two.

    8. Re:Here we go... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's really funny :)

  9. All forms of contingent employment, incl. MSP's by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    You're the first to go and the least likely to be treated with any respect.

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  10. Savings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Work the bubble: suck up that overvalued work, but save the money for the collapse. A couple of years at current high tech salary ought of be enough to keep you comfortable through a year of collapse. Ex: an entry level programming position for a big company in Seattle (say Microsoft or Google ~ 100K$ a couple years ago when I last saw such an offer) is 3x what a lot of other people here live on. If you can't go 2 years on that, that's your problem. If you save the money, and move to a cheap place to live after the crash, you should be able to live 3-4 times as long as you worked just fine while unemployed. If you are ready for the bubble to pop, you don't have to freak out about dodging it with your job choice.

  11. Señor Level should... by lhowaf · · Score: 1, Funny

    Start a meth lab. The meth market really took off after the bubble burst. Probably because of all the developers being dejected after being ejected. Take advantage of the suffering of your fellow human beings. It's the epitome of capitalism.

  12. Like timing the stock market by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was at university 1992-1996 entered the CS job market afterward, so I observed a few cycles now.

    Whatever people tell you, it's a about as realistic as timing the stock market. People like to take credit in hindsight, but it's mostly luck. Nobody can tell when you should buy or sell individual stocks, and performance records of traders show that nobody beats the odds for longer than you would expect from random processes like gambling. In stocks, you spread your risk around and balance your risks and profits. Unlike the stock market, you cannot really hold a diversified position in your career unless you join a commune or similar to spread the risk of jobs disappearing away from the individuals who lose them. Like with stocks, you can maintain a significant cash position which lets you ride out a job loss with less disastrous results.

    Surviving the bubble burst is like surviving a game of musical chairs. You need to tilt the odds in your favor and it feels like a zero-sum game. Again, it is largely luck. Telling everyone to win here is like telling everyone to be in the top quintile. Those types can always find work and don't really need advice on how to survive the bubble burst.

    Participating in the bubbly parts of the market makes you have to change chairs more often and they disappear faster towards the end. But, if the compensation is much better you can also build your cash position faster! On the other hand, staying in a staid traditional job slows down the chair swapping and chair disappearance so you feel less day to day risk. Unfortunately, even those chairs have proven to disappear once in a while, and their occupants are often ill-prepared when it happens, because they haven't practiced the job-seeking process, maintained their professional network, nor protected their cash position.

  13. Not that complicated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Work in a recession resistant industry

    Always be impressing yourself and your boss

    Don't spend your spending money on future trash

    1. Re:Not that complicated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're saying:

      1) take a shit job, or spend a lot of time trying to find a job that is extremely hard to find

      2) allow yourself to be exploited by your employers

      3) don't do anything that will allow you to enjoy life or make you happy

    2. Re:Not that complicated by PPH · · Score: 2

      Work in a recession resistant industry

      But these are prime candidates for reorganization and cost cutting moves. And then there goes your job. Particularly in industries with mature (lower growth) markets. The only way to increase profits is to cut costs. And frequently the only way to cut costs is to cut direct expenses (payroll) and send the work overseas.

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  14. Stay away from the obviously riediculous by Crashmarik · · Score: 2

    Do some due diligence and make sure the company you work for has solid sales and real profits.

    1. Re:Stay away from the obviously riediculous by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Do some due diligence and make sure the company you work for has solid sales and real profits.

      i.e. it's not a start-up

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  15. Might be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Might be heading into a bubble? MIGHT be?

    We're well into this bubble now. When you can see bullshit companies with no business model other than "hope we get bought out be a bigger company" going IPO with Gold-In-Sacks for tens of billions of dollars of "value", it doesn't take half-brained economist to see there's something seriously wrong.

  16. Pick the jobs that no one wants to do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but have to be done. There's a virtually limitless supply, have boring to non existent job titles and pay very well. I retired in my 30's and now travel the world.

    1. Re:Pick the jobs that no one wants to do by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I retired in my 30's and now travel the world.

      If it was that simple everyone would do it. But I'm forgetting, like everyone else on slashdot you're a unique genius.

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  17. Re:role most affected? by MacDork · · Score: 1

    While this is true in many cases, the angel investor of today has generally got priority on returns from any sale of a startup today. It's very different from the publicly traded dot com bust according to articles I've read on the subject. If "the bubble" pops this time, some investors will be hurt if they can't sell the startup. However, if the startup is sold for what was invested, the people left holding the bag will be the employees working for little more that stock options and a dream of a big exit. Those people will have worked months/years and will get no return. Their shares will be effectively worthless.

    Join a startup when times are good expecting times to stay good seems like a good way to get burned. (buy high, sell low) Joining a startup accepting that there is inherent risk in what you are doing is, as always, a gamble. (penny stocks) Joining a mid to large size company with a legacy code base that has to be maintained by some old master in a particular language/framework/architecture seems the safest route to steady income, but you'll never become really wealthy. (Bonds) Catching the hype wave and riding it into newer, higher paid positions has great returns until your wave turns out to be a dud. (Stocks) In 2005 it was web apps, in 2010 it was mobile apps, in 2015 it looks like machine learning. If you bet on HTML5 apps in 2010*, you struggled. Many did.

    *Flame away HTML5 people. HTML5 didn't make $40000 a day on flappy birds and iFarts. I know those are exceptions, but employers eat that stuff up. Salary studies that I saw reflected this.

  18. You want responsibility? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You get to do your homework yourself.

  19. Switch industries by plopez · · Score: 3, Informative

    I rode out the first collapse in oil and gas. Right now healthcare looks promising esp. with the push to records automation. Do some research to which industry would be least affected and then move on.

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    1. Re:Switch industries by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Healthcare is big IS business because of the push for electronic medical records. But. There is going to be a huge cull in the next couple of years as the literally thousands of small companies that tried to get a toe hold just fail. Especially in the small hospital sector, most of the vendors are not going to make it. They will outright fail or get bought out.

      Of course, there are zillions of man hours to be spent trying to reconcile the new acquisition into the legacy database ("But the sales guy PROMISED out data could be merged into the new system").

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    2. Re:Switch industries by plopez · · Score: 1

      Good to know. I actually want to get out of tech but I might pass on health care.

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  20. Just be flexible and good. by Shados · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's a lot of companies that shouldn't exist, or some that are artificially inflated. The demand for engineers is absurd, so companies, even the big ones, are hiring countless pseudo-engineers with little experience, no degrees (not that you can't be good without one, but it sure as hell doesn't hurt... I myself am doing fine without), or just bad.

    They don't get fired because companies want every hands they can get.

    When things get back to reasonable levels, those people will be without jobs. Just be better than them and you'll be fine.

  21. Work in your field in an insulated environment. by pecosdave · · Score: 2

    I survived the bust than happened right at the end of the Clinton administration/beginning of the Bush administration by being in my field in an unrelated industry. I did I.T. work at an oil company, the burst didn't touch me at all - initially. Until the oil industry took a major hit, and the I.T. industry hadn't recovered yet, but at least I got a well past the burst before I was thrown into the fray.

    Now that the I.T. industry is stronger and isn't exactly in a bubble, I'm still shielded by working for another industry. In fact a bit of an I.T. field bust can actually benefit my particular place in the industry as it forces vendors to beg for my business and cut better deals, and if I need to hire project help from the pool to select from is better stocked versus when the industry is thriving. Yes, that's cold and pragmatic, but it doesn't stop it from being a fact.

    On the other hand if the I.T. industry is thriving (I really miss those days) I have an easier time jumping ship and going to something better.

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    1. Re:Work in your field in an insulated environment. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Indian firms are Masters at making promises but delivering on them? Ermh not so much. If your management team has LEAN, SIX-SIGMA, jargon floating around expect a lot of IT work to be outsourced and the remaining load to be thrown onto the remainder but without any raise in pay for increased responsibilities.

      Get into management they seem to be the ones getting the golden parachutes while kicking the rest of the company out the cargo door.

    2. Re:Work in your field in an insulated environment. by pecosdave · · Score: 1
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  22. Your faith in stability is mis-guided by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

    "The only constant is change" -- the late Robert Monroe

    There are no guarantees any tech is stable. That's the relative nature of tech -- it constantly changes (for better or worse).

    All you can do is stay current. If you want value then you be valuable. This means keeping up-to-date with popular skills. Fads such as some programming languages and management styles come and go, but good design, critical thinking, and communication are always relevant.

    If you truly want a "recession proof" job then work in real-estate or the military.

    1. Re:Your faith in stability is mis-guided by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      This means keeping up-to-date with popular skills.

      Up to date? You mean four years ahead of?

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    2. Re:Your faith in stability is mis-guided by spoot · · Score: 1

      "The only constant is change" -- the late Robert Monroe

      what an original thought!

      http://plato.stanford.edu/entr...

    3. Re:Your faith in stability is mis-guided by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      I don't believe he ever meant to take credit for coining the phrase, only popularizing it in a catchy way. The cliche / koan "You can never stand in the same river twice" is another alternative.

      Great link on Daoism BTW ! Having a blast reading this.

  23. Have canaries by MyFirstNameIsPaul · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I was selling trade show exhibits in Silicon Valley during the .com bust and I can tell you that the first department to cut their budget in an organization is marketing. We knew we were in a recession/local depression long before anyone else.

    Companies whose revenue comes primarily from venture capital may have certain requirements for promotion, as some investors want to see promotion for promotion's sake, vs. requiring an actual ROI on promotion efforts. Network out to some of your non-tech co-workers and vendors in the marketing arena. When they start to see a lot of companies holding back on hiring new positions, reducing trade show attendance and other marketing expenses, evaluate your current options. It may be that you have an opportunity to seek safety in a lower paying, but far more secure position in your current firm or a different firm. Management is often very insecure.

    I can tell you that the nearly instantaneous elimination in the number of commuters in 2000/2001 here was mind-blowing. I knew if a prospect was worth pursuing by the evaluating the size of a building and how empty it's parking lot was. This all happens much faster than most people realize, so having a canary to tell you what is about to come is very important. It may be that you are in a very secure company, but they decided to purchase some large asset or make some other large investment that offsetting the cost due to reduced revenue requires those positions and even whole departments considered secure to be temporarily eliminated.

    Companies whose primary revenue comes from advertising will see some of the largest reductions in revenue. Stay away from them unless they are incredibly well established and you have a seriously critical position.

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    1. Re:Have canaries by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Companies whose primary revenue comes from advertising will see some of the largest reductions in revenue. Stay away from them unless they are incredibly well established and you have a seriously critical position.

      Translation: leave any firm with high advertising revenue, unless it's Google.

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  24. Your own consulting firm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Regardless of an industry-wide collapse, all of your local businesses will still have to keep all the gears turning. A well executed, local IT consulting/servicing firm should always be able to net you 200k or more a year. And you're your own boss. It doesn't matter how far up the dubious 'corporate ladder' you have climbed. The only thing that matters is your clients satisfaction level. People will always pay well for someone who knows what they're doing to manage their IT needs.

    Speaking from experience.

  25. make your pile and move on by hax4bux · · Score: 2

    There is no avoiding the boom/bust cycle. Ride the boom, extract all you can, be frugal. When the bust comes, use your cushion to ride it out.

    It is true that not everybody gets laid off in the bust. It is also true that smart, diligent and hardworking people are let go like everybody else. Don't plan to keep your job. Plan to have a nice vacation if you must.

    I practice what I preach. Made big bucks during the dot com boom. When the money dried up, I went home to build an airplane while other people were loosing everything and moving back in w/their parents.

    I am doing it again.

    Oh, and one final thing: strong engineers are welcome everywhere, managers not so much.

  26. Just Save by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just save 3+ months plus of salary and limit your debt, then you'll ride out tech bubble burst till you find something else, most CS skills are transferable to other jobs as long as you are willing to move to find them.

  27. It's not about the role, its about the industry by CppDeveloper · · Score: 1

    When a bubble bursts some industries will get hurt worse than others. Tech is really in just about all industries now and will be impacted but there are enough shortages that if you are good at your job in one industry you should be able to transition to another. The best things you can do to prepare for a bubble bursting is to have a financial cushion in case finding the next job takes some time and minimize your non-job related commitments. For example, if you think a bubble is coming make sure you can afford a pay cut if you do lose your job and have to take a lower paying one. Hold off on buying a house since if your region were hit hard it makes it more difficult to move to one that wasn't. Minimize your debt. Things like that.

  28. Middle management goes first, then everyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From my experience, the middle managers tend to be laid off first and your best chance of surviving the initial crunch (merger, reorganisation) is having a specific skill that is needed to deliver product in the short term.

    But also in my experience (I've been both a survivor and a loser in that initial phase) it's sometimes better to get out early, before all the jobs get taken and before morale drops. And once the redundancies start, almost everyone is eventually affected - there's a good chance of being forced to relocate, for example.

    Also having a specific skill can work against you if it's too specific. Better to have several specific skills and demonstrable ability to keep up with the state of the art in them.

  29. Unemployedd means unemployable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I don't need to work this decade, so a few months without a job won't hurt me.

    Get that out of your head. Being unemployed means being "no good". Unemployed == unemployable. There is this whole attitude that if 'he's any good, he'd have a job' mentality that is rampant in our economy; meaning, employers actively discriminate against unemployed people - especially in tech.

    1. Re:Unemployedd means unemployable by AuMatar · · Score: 1

      I have a decade and a half of experience, I've been tech lead at 2 successful startups that sold for large profits and a principle at a 3rd. I have CEOs and VCs who would go to bat for me, so no I have 0 worries that I personally will be unemployable. Nobody with experience should have that worry- if you're any good you have former coworkers who will vouch for you.

      And your fear of gaps is overwrought. I've also had multi-month gaps in the past- in 2009 because I decided I'd rather not work for the assholes who bought one of those sartups any longer, even if the economy sucked and in 2012 because I took the profits from the sale of the 2nd and decided to travel for 6 months. After the second one I ended up making 30K more a year than I was before. I've never had more than a casual question on either gap. Nobody gave a fuck.

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    2. Re:Unemployedd means unemployable by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I've been tech lead at 2 successful startups that sold for large profits and a principle at a 3rd

      Which one? Peter? Pauli exclusion?

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    3. Re:Unemployedd means unemployable by AuMatar · · Score: 2

      I've avoided being the Peter one so far, one of the reasons why I'm still a coder and not a manager :)

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  30. secure software dev by hlee · · Score: 1

    Secure software development is something I've gotten into recently, and the growth potential there is excellent. Become familiar with BSIMM (Build Security In Maturity Model), in particular what they categorize as the SSG (Software Security Group). Here are some highlights from their document about the SSG:

    The best SSG members are software security people, but software security people are often impossible to find. If you must create software security types from scratch, start with developers and teach them about security. Do not attempt to start with network security people and teach them about software, compilers, SDLCs, bug tracking, and everything else in the software universe. No amount of traditional security knowledge can overcome software cluelessness.

    1. Re:secure software dev by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats pretty ironic: A security company without an SSL cert for the non www version of their URL, and no redirect either.

  31. Career goals are interview bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having 'career goals' is an antiquated notion that employers haven't figured out yet. Your career is over already - you just haven't got an end date, yet.

    See, When I started, I would work with people who had 20, 25 even over 30 years experience - as a developer or engineer. They didn't have to go into management to stay employed.

    Those guys retired or died and very few of my contemporaries are still working in tech. A few moved to management, some are in other jobs and others are totally screwed. It's just not a long term viable career path: it's a stepping stone to something else if you're lucky. You work 10 or so years and then you'll be forced onto something else.

    You will start in a job and get offshored, outsourced or replaced by a H1-b and hopefully be able to move on. But as you get older, it gets harder and harder.

    And the working conditions have turned to shit. I remember being able to get everything done in a 40 hour week -and that was developing Win32 programs in 'C'. Now, so many have been cut, we have to do the jobs of two people and work 60 hour weeks. If you don't get kicked out, you burn out.

    The truthful answer to the question of "where do you see yourself in 5 years?"

    At another company or in another job. And I think that's what we in tech should do. Plan an exit strategy for your tenth anniversary.

  32. Best Advice? Good companies make money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Simply put, every tech bubble has been because the invested tech companies had shitty, SHITTY business models, that were by far too optimistic and their break-even points were too far in the future. They relied too heavily on investment funding to finish a product that was poorly validated and little to no actual market research was done.

    At the end of the day, successful companies have products that make them money. If you are in a company that doesn't have a final product out yet and they are looking for venture capital to help with R&D, that is not a company. It's a money pit. When the market goes south and they run out of investment dollars, they will close up shop and be gone.

    Work for a company that has products that are selling and those products have enough margin that the company doesn't have to rely upon outside investors to fund their own development. That's the definition of sustainable. Sustainability will last longer than shot-in-the-dark investment gambles, every day.

  33. Take cash, not options by fremen · · Score: 1

    In the startup world right now, there's a lot of evidence of a bubble in privately funded companies, but less of one in the public markets. But there are two differences between now and the .com bubble. Specifically:

    - most companies have real cash flows this time
    - investors are smarter

    As valuations have gone up, investors have started transferring risk back to the founders and employees with things like liquidation preferences. What that means is that if you take funding at some ridiculous valuation, you'll need to exit at an even higher valuation to actually make money as a founder or employee. But there doesn't seem to be the same appetite for these high valuations in the public markets right now.

    The upshot is this: take more cash than options right now. There's a good chance your options will be worthless at this point. If you want equity, ask for actual shares instead.

    As for worst cases, you'll likely see weaker companies fail and stronger companies reduce headcount to better manage costs.

  34. Pro-Tip by Tumbleweed · · Score: 1

    Have no debt, and have no rent/mortgage payment. Make sure your vehicle is in good working order. Make sure you've got any health issues taken care of.

    Basically the Boy Scout motto: Be Prepared.

    1. Re:Pro-Tip by plopez · · Score: 1

      Well into my 30's was able to fit my important stuff into my van and I "rented" everything else from the Salvation Army. I was able to rapidly relocate several times for work..... then I got married......

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  35. Be prepared for anything (that’s reasonable) by RR · · Score: 2

    Prudence requires you to be prepared for a certain amount of uncertainty, regardless of the economy. Budget carefully. Pay off your debts as quickly as you can. Keep at least 3 to 6 months of expenses in readily accessible savings. If you’re worried about your job disappearing (which it can at any time), then build up a good in-person social network.

    Don’t forget natural disasters, too. A lot of tech jobs are in places with earthquakes (West Coast) or hurricanes (East Coast). Create disaster plans, and maintain enough water and food (test if it’s palatable) to live 3 to 7 days without resupply. Maybe more, depending on how long it takes to rebuild infrastructure where you live. And keep and learn the appropriate tools to keep your house working for that time.

    But don’t get carried away, unless you want to make worrying into your hobby. During the last dot-com boom and bust, some people I know were calling for everybody to buy guns and prepare for the People’s Liberation Army to invade California or for the Red Army to drop a nuke on San Francisco. 15 years later, we’re in another tech boom, and I’m still hearing the same doomsday predictions. In truth, the land can’t support all of us as if we were 19th Century pioneers, so I think it’s best to prepare for reasonable disasters.

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  36. Amen brother... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I did exactly that & CITED YOU, here http://ask.slashdot.org/commen...

    APK

    P.S.=> "You're a GOOD MAN, Charlie Brown", in you telling it how it REALLY is or can be (& was, + will be, again - it's ALL cyclical, via the "business cycle" itself)... apk

  37. Ride it by russotto · · Score: 1

    Ride the most extreme excesses of the bubble you can, pulling in ridiculous amounts of cash and equity. Convert it to reasonably safe (e.g. money markets) and counter-market (e.g. gold) investments. When the bubble pops, don't worry about being laid off: take some time off and live off your reserves. And invest some of them in those tech firms which have a solid business but whose stock prices were brought down in the general crash, to set you up for the recovery (or next bubble.)

  38. Well by koan · · Score: 1

    Save your money, back up with supplies, gather and plan with like minded friends and family.
    My personal prediction is that within 2 years 40 million people in the OECD region alone will be out of work, if something like the immigration "reform" in TISA passes...
    It's going to be ugly.

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    "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
  39. Easier said than done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It isn't always easy to tell which tech businesses will die and which won't. Nobody can see the future, there is no guaranteed safe path, etc.

    So, the best thing is to stay adaptable, allocate regular time for learning new skills, and manage your finances well so you can survive long dry spells.

    To that end, embrace minimalism, stay single, stay out of debt, and invest your cash in a diverse range of bonds and stocks (be sure not to over-emphasize those tech stocks!).

    If that lifestyle sounds ghastly to you, try secular meditation. It will heal your mind, and help you to see that the formula for happiness that you have been spoon-fed is not only dangerous, but completely ineffective.

    Or....you can take your chances.

  40. Relational Data Base Management Systems by pigiron · · Score: 1

    I spent over 30 years specializing in relational database projects for Fortune 100 companies and government agencies. Ingres, Oracle, Postgres, System R, Sybase, M$ SQL Server, DB2 or whatever they call their products now; I didn't discriminate and worked on energy, telecom, finance, and manufacturing projects and my employers didn't give a hoot about my prior industry. It was all applied set theory to me and I always got offers after the overwhelming majority of my technical interviews.

    I passed into the three figure per hour realm decades ago and never suffered from lack of work during downturns in the early eighties, 1991, 2001, 2008 or what have you. I took long vacations, socked away scads of dough, and don't work anymore because I invest when I'm not at the beach.

    There are still tons of jobs out there for people who understand how set theory and ACID transactions are implemented in databases.

    As long as your IQ is a minimum of 130 you shouldn't have any trouble finding work. Just stay away from fads like particular languages and anything that reeks of agile development or use cases and you will be fine. DBA's always have the final say on how crackpot developers will actually store permanent data despite whatever moronic methodology du jour the developers think they are using.

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  43. Change your name to Sanjay Gupta by Baldrson · · Score: 0

    The guys that kept their jobs during the DotCon collapse were those that had "community organizers" that helped them negotiate big cuts in salary and finding shared housing in the area to cut living expenses.

    In practice what this means: Try to hook into the H-1b ethnic network somehow. Perhaps the best way to survive a collapse in employment is to get a tan, change your legal name to the moral equivalent of Sanjay Gupta and contact one of the many immigration law firms in the valley that aid and abet H-1b immigration fraud with a sob story about how you're going to be sent back "home" (don't tell them "home" is Champaign Urbana Illinois) if you can't find a job -- and that you'll be willing to take a big pay cut and live in a beehive to stay in "America". Do it with the appropriate accent. They'll hook you up with a "community organizer".

  44. You will *always* "struggle" to find a job by msobkow · · Score: 2

    The thing I find amusing is how many people dream of days that never existed, when you could find a job at the drop of a hat. The people who found jobs were those who put as much work into their job hunt as they did actually working.

    I spent most of my career consulting. That meant keeping my ear to the ground, paying attention to rumours and meetings, and starting my job search before the shit hit the fan, refusing the three month renewals that inevitably came up near the end of a contract (instead of the usual six-twelve month contracts that those jobs started with.)

    Three months isn't a contract -- it's an insult. It's the writing on the wall that the project is almost over, and they want you to hang around to finish off the bits and pieces. As a contractor, you're under no obligation to take such a short contract, and if you do, you should do so knowing that it's going to be the last extension for the project.

    Despite those early searches, I sometimes went a month or two without work, living off my savings, and having to move hundreds or thousands of miles to the next job. One key thing I learned fairly early is not to be too greedy about my rates. If a company is willing to pay $100+ rates in the '90s, they expect you to work miracles that no human being can possibly deliver on. It's just not worth the stress. Take the lower paying fun and challenging job instead -- your blood pressure will thank you for it.

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    I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
  45. remember fuckedcompany.com by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When fuckedcompany.com switches back on, you know it's over.

  46. The same way you weather any bubble by clustro · · Score: 1

    You survive a tech bubble the same way with a lumber bubble, or an oil bubble, or a tourism bubble. You diversify your investments, and insure yourself against losses and unexpected events. Instead of relying on the government or a severance package, keep 6 months of living expenses stored up in an emergency fund in case you get laid off. Invest your income into a diversified portfolio, using something like Vanguard. Have adequate insurance on your property and health.

    As far as the meat of your question with regards to what path to take in your career to somehow minimize the damage a tech bubble can do to you, I think this is something you can't really plan for in this regard. Focus on doing the best job you can at the subfields that interest you in your career. Gain reputation for doing good work. Excellence is always rewarded in the long run.

  47. How to Avoid The Worst of a Tech Bubble? by nickweller · · Score: 1

    "I just reached a senior level in a tech career and I've been doing pretty much a bit of everything, e.g. software architecture, full stack dev, eng. related specific dev, consultancy, etc .. Based on your experience of the .com collapse and your predictions for the current market, is there any path you wouldn't recommend (or strongly recommend)"

    You'll be forever playing catch-up, your best career route is to go into teaching or become a tech journalist.

  48. Going to quote you (again) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Companies whose primary revenue comes from advertising will see some of the largest reductions in revenue." - by MyFirstNameIsPaul (1552283) on Saturday June 13, 2015 @02:19PM (#49904523) Homepage

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    I give folks not only what they WANT today, but what they actually NEED!

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    Hax4Bux has it right -> http://ask.slashdot.org/commen...

    Yes - it's EXACTLY what I did! Computing, for me?? Just a "stepping stone" to it.

    (Though I will work still on occasion, IF the moola is right, & I just finished a successful tech lead role for Hilton Hotels 2 days ago on a server + workstations migration in fact)

    That's right - for the MOST part, since 2008 due to an unsteady labor market in MIS/IS/IT & no unions?

    I got out, got into real estate instead: Again, something folks NEED, & not just want - it's been keeping me going great since then, no problems!

    APK

    P.S.=> It's key, always have that "plan B" exit strategy perfect escape route (to real freedom, not kissing ass to some undereducated STOOGE in mgt. like the ones who DOUBTLESS 'downmodded me' in effete retaliation the 1st time I posted this here to you -> http://ask.slashdot.org/commen... )... apk

  49. don't be techno-centric or geo-centric by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't miss a beat during the last bubble burst, and I haven't been unemployed one day since I entered IT in 1988. Two things have helped me: don't become a super-guru in any single technology to the detriment of your technical well-roundedness, and be willing to "follow the buffalo" if there are jobs elsewhere.

    I'm not espousing the idea that you be a jack of all trades and master of none, but rather that you don't let any single technology consume you such that you aren't continually expanding your horizons. If you are a sysadmin, you have to master your primary skills on the OS you're responsible for, but reach out to storage, cybersecurity, scripting, and for sure project management. In my wild ride, I've been a sysadmin on *nix, apple, MS, VMS, and some proprietary OS's that still lived in DoD circles, as well as a DBA, network engineer, app developer, SCADA specialist, and security analyst.

    As for the non-geo-centric part, the caveat is of course your family situation. My wife of 26 years has wanderlust to match my own, so I've been overseas as much as at home (USA) throughout my career.

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  51. Robotics by thejynxed · · Score: 1

    Get into robotics, especially any of the companies working on space-bound robotics. There's several companies designing and testing robots right now for space missions that aren't currently feasible for humans to do. There's going to be a need for all sorts of software engineers and other IT specialists for this industry.

    (Also because so many industries are heading towards automation, it's good to get in on the ground floor, so to speak, especially in one that is going to do nothing but grow.)

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    @Mindless Drivel: 100% of Twitter posts ever Tweeted.
  52. How do you know it's a bubble? by mundlapati · · Score: 1

    How do you know it's a bubble? Have created a bubble before?

  53. Re:Be prepared for anything (that’s reasonab by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    Don’t forget natural disasters, too. A lot of tech jobs are in places with earthquakes (West Coast) or hurricanes (East Coast). Create disaster plans, and maintain enough water and food (test if it’s palatable) to live 3 to 7 days without resupply. Maybe more, depending on how long it takes to rebuild infrastructure where you live. And keep and learn the appropriate tools to keep your house working for that time.

    A better alternative is to live somewhere sensible, like Belgium.

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    To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  54. Being Indispensable... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Being Indispensable at a company that provides Indispensable products and services.

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  56. Go for biomed, or pharma; for baby boomers. by brookman1 · · Score: 1

    Idea: software dev / sys admin for Biomed. How old are you? When baby boomers stop forcing the healthcare industry bubble further up, do you still need a job? Also, maybe see a financial adviser, read some Forbes or Wall Street Journal; maybe you'll retire sooner; and if you hit the lottery, you don't want to know our answers to your question. Am I right or am I right?