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Jimmy Wales: London Is Better For Tech Than "Dreadful" Silicon Valley
Mickeycaskill writes: Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales has praised London as a tech hub, saying its cultural assets make it an ideal place to do business and superior to Silicon Valley as a place to live. “I meet people around London and they ask ‘when do you go back to San Francisco?’ assuming I’m here for a few days, but I live in London,” he said at the launch of Tech.London. “There’s always this bit of British self-deprecation about ‘oh well, things are so great in Silicon Valley’. But I can tell you, things aren’t that great in Silicon Valley. London has all these incredible advantages of a tech scene, but it’s also a place people want to live. Nobody wants to live in Silicon Valley – it’s dreadful out there. London is this incredible cultural city, it’s at the crossroads of the world. In the US you have San Francisco for tech, Los Angeles for movies and Washington for politics. In London you have all these things. It’s a great place to do business.”
If you like "high culture", have money, and don't mind crowds then London is great. If you prefer other things not so much.
As everyone starts to insult where everybody else lives.
The silicon roundabout is mostly wishful thinking by artsy fartsy posers and politicos. The real tech innovation that does happen in the UK, happens despite all the good intentions, not because of it.
If you like "high culture", have money, and don't mind crowds then London is great. If you prefer other things not so much.
Grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.
Indians... I kid i kid. And investors from 'the city'. But if it's truly so great then where are all these new booming tech startups.
London's fantastic if you're rich, or at least well-off. If you're poor, or simply young, it's awful. Housing is totally unaffordable.
Silicon Valley is about the only place you can have your startup fail, walk down the street a few blocks, and have a nice safe job to tide you over until you decide you need to do another startup (if you do). In other words, there's a job safety net that is not there elsewhere (the article as much as admits this, for London).
The other issue with any place other than Silicon Valley: Silicon Valley is where most of the VC's are located, and it's where most of the VC's prefer their companies be located, so that they have the option of an acquisition as an exit strategy for the companies they fund. Other locations, not so much.
Jimmy Wales has a pretty safe gig, which allows him to live anywhere he wants, without having to get more funding, and without having to worry about money too much at all, or about having to get another gig. So he can live anywhere he wants to live, and it's kinda OK.
I'm personally OK with London as a very nice place to live, if you've got a steady income, and so on. It's an amazing place. But I think you would have a difficult time getting Series A funding there, compared to a 15 minute drive to Sand Hill Road. To get some sense of the absolute importance of this:
http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/ar...
If you're rich and famous, London is a great place, with per square foot prices about four times what they are in SF. You get to hobnob with all the wealthy and influential people, and get really close to people with tons of money to throw around. Of course, you have to like the lousy weather in London. And you have to not give a shit that your wonderful, privileged London lifestyle is subsidized by hardworking Brits who will never get to enjoy it. I'm sure Jimmy Wales meets all those criteria.
How hard is it to obtain a work visa in London vs. San Francisco?
Ignoring climate... The difference is community focus. Do what you do best, rather than attempt to be best at everything.
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London is a hub with lots's of wealthy people, but it's alot more cost effective to live in other parts of the UK who have access to the same resources in London because it's just down the road. Cardiff would be a good example. Cheaper labour and accomodation, but you can still do business with the same people.
I can assure you, as someone who lives elsewhere in the UK, only people in London want to live in London. There is no desire amongst the rest of the UK population to move there. Unless you have to go there for work it's somewhere you might visit once every few years at most, with a very specific purpose in mind, and you don't enjoy it when you do.
IMHO Berlin is much better place then London:
- it's way cheaper (both in terms of living expenses and salaries)
- it has amazing startup atmosphere
- it's the political capital of EU
- it's located almost in the center of EU, where London is on the outskirts
- Berlin is a city designed to scale, the transportation infrastructure is 100x better then in London
- VCs are keeping an eye on this city, as it may soon become the silicon valley of Europe
- it's the true startup capital of Europe, where London is something between corporate finance and cool stuff
Lived on the Isle of Skye. Lived in London.
Every breath in the former is a joy. Every breath in the latter is a dirty disappointment.
London is a place to show off, but not to live.
Sorry Jimmy, I just got back from London a few days ago, back to Sili Valley where I have lived for almost 30 years. Living in London would make me hate life after about 6 months. Heck, after 3 days I was more convinced than ever that the American war for independence was a very smart move. I'll take Sili Valley over London any day.
In my experience, when somebody asks when you are leaving, it is a polite way of saying, "I am sick of you, when are you going away?"
You can't not have culture, and honestly I would much rather live in Silicon Valley than in London. London is just as expensive as SV, and I guess if you're easily impressed by stuff just because it's man made and old, then that counts as 'culture'? London has two symphonies, which I guess is pretty nice, but also SF has one too and one is plenty.
What I really think is that Jimmy is just talking shit and probably couldn't really explain what he means when he says 'culture', beyond the usual american garbage about 'oh, Europe has so much culture'. This is just an American Abroad's incredibly insightful (and not at all obsequious) little musings about how *amazing* European 'Culture' (old property) is. I hope he gets licked by a Chav.
that Times has a news saying juuust the opposite. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06... I'd rather live in SV just to avoid extreme crowds and sky high prices in London.
Relatively difficult to get a work visa for the UK:
http://www.visabureau.com/uk/i...
You aren't going to get a Tier 1 unless you are an Olympic athlete, Linus Torvalds, or Craig Venter, etc.. Cap is 1,000/year.
You could *possibly* get a Tier 2, if you already had a job offer from a UK company. Cap is 20,700/year.
Intra-company transfers for an existing employer (e.g. IBM), limited to a year if you are making £40,000/year; call it $63,500 at todays exchange rate; this is generally not hard for someone employed by IBM, actually; I have a friend who went to the UK for IBM on one of those, and got her MBA at Oxford (IBM also paid for that, since it was business related).
If you have money (£200,000 for the business, plus your own living expenses), and can start a viable business, a Tier 1 (Entrepreneur) Visa is an option. It has to employ 2 EEA people, or you get kicked out after 2 years.
If you have *lots* of money (£1million), you can get an investment visa; you are not permitted to work any other job, other than managing your investments. I believe this means you can not do international consultancy or remote management of other assets. This is basically similar to the U.S. EB-5 "millionaires visa", by which you are able to (effectively) buy a U.S. green card if you are rich enough, and willing to pump a $750K or $800K house price up to $1M in the outer Sunset in SF (it's basically the reason real estate prices are so high in SF: 5,100 home sales in the Bay area this way each year, 1/3 go to 1,700 EB-5 visa winners, with the remaining 8,300 EB-5's going to other areas of the U.S. and inflating housing prices there, instead. Hint: it's not gentrification that's doing it.
Tier-3 you can't get (program is suspended); it's for things like swinging a hammer and other labor which is considered unskilled.
Tier-4 is a student visa; you aren't allowed to work more than 10 hours a week in most cases, generally granted for only one year, requires 15 hours/week study, you must agree to go home after, as a condition of the visa. This is probably not what you want.
Tier-5 is a temporary work visa with a sponsor; mostly, this is the artist/entertainer visa, but can also be for charity workers and things like Mormon missionaries. If you want one of these, your best bet is to run away and join the circus. :)
So basically: a heck of a lot less opportunity to go to the U.K. from the U.S. than the other way around.
My view on this, not being involved in the VC/startup/look_at_me_I'm_an_entrepreneur scene, is that there is a lot of political will to turn some of London into a technological hub, hoping that the money and innovation from Silicon Valley can be reproduced here. The trouble is... London is not cheap as SV used to be when it turned itself into an attractive place for techy companies to set up shop.
A garage in London is not a place to build the new consumer electronics giant, it is a place that is rented for hundreds or even thousands of pounds per month.
I think it's all great that people want more development and growth from high tech, but the "Silicon Roundabout" is not a place where universities, ambitious people with ideas and office space are all in an ideal state suited for new industry to bloom. The Silicon Roundabout is just north of the City of London, the place where there's only mature, cash rich companies and the Bank of England. It's more of a brand that costs a lot of money to join rather than being an organic growth phenomenon.
I'd much rather see the new tech hubs turning up away from London, so that all the techy smart people are not wasting their initial funding on paying extortionate rents and are actually doing what current day teach allows you to do: work from wherever suits you. As a nice side effect, new train routes could get more passengers and overcrowded London routes could get some relief.
Blah blah blah *hipster* blah *hipster* blah blah.
I live in Berlin. I hate this talk, which is just the smell of capital corroding through society.
Look. I'm a fan of Wikipedia, despite its known failings. I remember how it was before. Therefore I'm thankful to Jimmy for whatever he has done there.
But this hipster talk about "creative cities", while they are being destroyed by those very hipsters. When the job is thoroughly done, they move on. Does that remind you of anything?
Sound's like he' a bigot.
London is a great place to visit.... but I would never want to live there again.
You arrive and you do all the tourist stuff in the first few weeks (musicals, theatre, dining out).... but after that it just is not worth it.... prices are high, living standards low (small cramped expensive apartments, going out expensive, etc.). I lived there for 1 year and 1 day. I harped that it was not a place that I wanted to live forever... and my PM a proud brit took exception to it to a certain extent. Only when he visited his counterpart in Texas did he actually get what we were talking about (his place was 20% the size and no cool cars in the driveway etc.)... and he was completely thrown.... I hear that he finally made the move to Australia.... something he originally thought he would never do.
I would never return to live... only to visit.
I have investments in various countries from India to Kenya to Colombia, amongst other countries
I am not saying that the West is not doing anything breathtaking - what I am saying is, if you guys are looking for fresh perspective on the tech scene, it's the places outside of the traditional Western sphere which is filled with real excitement
But of course, what I am saying is based on what I am experiencing --- YMMV
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Very insightful, and the comment about tier 5 was particularly delightful.
Shameless plug for Germany.
Though I do not have personal experience working/living in UK, over the years met lots of people who were simply orgasmic after the move from UK to Germany. Especially the London with its outrageous rent prices.
Munich is good place too. And if you are in the financial software, Frankfurt am Main is the place to go.
Much better living standards than the UK in general and London in particular.
The language in large cities in general is not a problem too. Some companies (esp international) require the fluent English, and often offer help to those who just move from abroad.
All hope abandon ye who enter here.
After all, Wikipedia is almost out of money! All that London real estate, the most expensive in the world, doesn't pay for itself you know. Now cough up peasants, Wales needs that penthouse apartment with a view of the Thames.
Note to Americans:
The "City of London" is about a square mile. It's the most downtowney square mile anywhere, and is home to London's finance industry. What you think about when you think about London is called the "Greater London Authority." So this guy is talking about a British government initiative to create a Silicon Valley type space near the most expensive Real Estate on the continent.
There're actually places in the Greater London Area where rent is reasonable. They're not near the Square Mile.
Your PM?
Which of Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, and John Major has moved to Australia?
I was born and bred in London before living in Stockholm for a few years, Dusseldorf for 2 etc. I've worked and stayed for extended periods in Amsterdam, Berlin, Budapest, Hamburg, Frankfurt, Barcelona, Valencia, Rome, Florence, New York, Istanbul...(the list goes on)....
Every international city has it's own characteristics but ultimately they all share 2 common things, a unique cultural 'vibe' / identity (the style of the buildings, the food you can eat there etc) and 1 other thing: tourism.
London is unique in the fact that it has everything from every place you could ever imagine. London evolved as a series of smaller villages ("hamlets") that all had their own unique characteristics that slowly grew to merge together. Combine that with the British empire and the way the country was in essence founded over many centuries of immigration and pooling of resources from every corner of the world and you have one big melting pot of culture where you can pretty much see, do, buy, eat anything you want to.
They say if you're bored of London you're bored of life, in 30 years I haven't seen everything and I was born here, so how anyone could ever see everything in a week, 2 weeks, month, year I have no idea, you can't call it shit, you're just in the wrong part of London.
I've lived North, South, East and West and I live in Chiswick as of the past 2 years, down the road from where I was born, I wouldn't want to live anywhere else now. There are parts of London I hated living in (especially East London), but each area is so drastically different from another there's always somewhere that will suit someones personality.
The same applies to every other city I've visited, Amsterdam for example is an awesome city in the centre, go to west Amsterdam though and it's a completely different place, it's a fucking shit hole. Does that make Amsterdam shit? No, it doesn't.
Contrary to what people think we're a very chatty city and we do talk to people (it's true everyone's always in a hurry though), all too often people rely on tour guides and manufactured tourism maps to direct them to the usual crap instead of telling you to go off the beaten track, the best way to see a city this size is by asking someone who's from here.
- Dan
London also has a better selection of Indian food.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
.... Dublin?
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
Both are playgrounds for very rich people. Everyone else suffers.
The spouse of a full-time student can work full time. I did just that for several years to support my wife's graduate school work.
And if you have to do that and don't already have a spouse studying there, I'd bet you could find a nice mail order bride who needs her tuition paid for. Just be careful what you get. there are reasons that ReiserFS, the much vaunted high performance freeware file system, is no longer supportd. ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser )
London is Berlin plus extra dirt, pricepoint and noise, minus the vibe. At least in Berlin you get the all-out hippster flair, although gentrification has pushed that out of the door quite a bit already. However, Berlin is spread out so far and has so many green areas it's hard for it to gain the solid all-through gentrification and establishment in top-tier living costs that London or Paris have. Which is a very good thing IMHO.
Bottom line:
I'd probably choose Berlin over London. But then again, it also depends largely on the people you're with and the job you have. With the right people around you and the right things to do, such a drab town as Düsseldorf can be fun aswell.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
And rain. No thanks.
I have worked at a British IT firm and British managers are even more greedy and pig headed than American managers. No thanks.
I believe Henry VIII had a similar strategy for getting away from the bustle and noise of the city. Isn't Hampton Court Palace in Zone 5 or 6? It *is* north of the river, though
It's very expensive to live in London. So keep giving money to the Wikimedia Foundation, to keep Jimmy in hookers and blow in London.
I'm getting sick and tired of explaining to people that San Francisco and Silicon Valley are not the same place. Every time the news media does a story on Silicon Valley, they show a tech company campus (typically Google) and the Golden Gate Bridge. The two places are 50 miles apart.That's like claiming Florida as a New York City suburb.
Define reasonable? Even cheap bedsits are over £500 a month. If you want a flat you need to be earning well over £30K if you're single just to keep up with the rent and the bills
Build a Man a Fire, and He'll Be Warm for a Day. Set a Man on Fire, and He'll Be Warm for the Rest of His Life.
is that it's an echo chamber. Full stop. London is a much better place to live, even if tech were not a consideration. Everyplace has it's pros and cons, but the UK is a far and away a better place to live all things considered. Culturally, not many places beat out London. The food, the sights, the arts, the fashion scene, the ability to travel to other, nearby countries on the cheap. None of this is really available in Silicon Valley. I lived in the UK for almost 4 years. I'd gladly return if the job situation permitted it. Again, far and away a better quality of life all things considered.
That's one flicking thing London doesn't have.
I lived in and around Lokdon for 7 years. I love the place, the people, the culture. But would I exchange it for the 300+ days of sunshine I get in Silicon Valley, and the year round fair weather? I am not so sure.
I pass living in a city with 9 months of winter. I may earn less where I live but at least I enjoy other aspects of life better.
majority of Tech is build on the back of startups, which often run on shoe string budget. Bay area and silicon valley is not cheap, but it is much cheaper than london! So cost of living alone makes silicon valley as a much better option.
A famous climatologist in the early 20th century once set out to locate the place(s) with the best weather/climate in the world. After years of effort, he declared it a tie between Los Gatos, CA and Cairo, Egypt. A substantial percentage of Silicon Vally tech people live in Los Gatos, and the weather/climate of the whole area shares in the judgement. Just don't go too far east, like to Livermore...
Eventually moves to Los Angeles.
Aside from the reported drought/heat, that's really the non coastal areas. There's a lot and I mean a lot of London refugees here in the west side.
There's a huge infrastructure down here that makes life for small chip guys possible. Does that exist in London?
For example, anyone can set up a couple of computers and design chips but what happens when the first wafers come back?
You need a simple lab. Gott'a drop the thing on a cheap wafer prober and start debug.
Is there a London version of Outback Equipment? https://www.outbackequipment.com/index.php/
A0 silicon never works bug free. You're going to need to FIB occasionally and I'm going to need fast turn around. I can jump into my car and drive over to EAG and the tech will have my file open on their workstation when I walk in. Can I do that in London?
Most of the tech is becoming centred around the Silicon Roundabout - Old Street, Shoreditch etc. Until recently a relatively low-rent area and outside of the square mile.
It's cheaper than the City, but still not the place to build machines or to have a growing team. I'd say companies need to go to the outside of Cambridge, Oxford, Northampton, Milton Keynes, any place more than 100Km from London to get a warehouse + office space that can be considered affordable. The talent pool will be different but you might get enough people who already moved away from the big city.
My sister and her boyfriend live in London and they love the city, but don't really like living there. Both make reasonable money, but a massive chunk of it goes to pay for their housing which is not great. They are hoping to be able to move farther away which will be a pain commute wise, but allow them to live some place nicer that doesn't eat up most of their cash.
Wont have to worry about tthat in London.
If you are going to promote a cosmopolitan city (SF is not) then there is better than London. Berlin or Paris or, if it has to be Anglophile, then Dublin. London is more expensive and difficult to work in.
On the plus side it does look like you internet prices have drop substantially since I lived there last. Nice!
If you are a tech company, a nice city to do business in is one near an airport with good telecom infrastructure, good schools, and housing is inexpensive enough that your employees don't have to spend their entire paycheck to live in a cardboard box. Locating where rent is skyhigh just so it shortens your commute to 10 Downing St has nothing to do with business: its all about you.
As a resident of the so-called "dreadful" region that is home to upwards of 4 million people and responsible for some of the greatest innovations in our era, I'll make sure to never donate to wikipedia ever again.
The thing about 'megacities', based on my own admittedly limited experience, but also on what other people have said about places like New York City, is that they are composed of neighborhoods, and each neighborhood has its own flavor, its locals who are comfortable there and so on. (Of course, that may not be true of every megacity.)
I read a book called "Londoners" (don't remember the author), in which the author had people from various walks of life talk about their experience and take on London. It started with an airline pilot talking about flying in, and ended with him talking about flying out, but there were illegal immigrants, city planners, wiccans, American tourists (the most inane of the lot), old timers, people who hated it, those who loved it, etc. A very interesting read, and yeah, it seems like London would fit in with the neighborhoods description pretty well. The big problem with London and most megacities is their high cost of living. In that Londoners book someone commented on how it might become difficult for the needed working class people to live close enough to work there.
In theory, theory and practice are the same; in practice they're different. (Yogi Berra & A. Einstein)
Wouldn't Wales prefer Cardiff over London?
Intra-company transfers for an existing employer (e.g. IBM), limited to a year if you are making £40,000/year; call it $63,500 at todays exchange rate; this is generally not hard for someone employed by IBM, actually
Did I misinterpret that, or did you really mean to say that £40,000/year is a plausible amount for an IBMer to make while living in London? What would you say is a nice salary for a senior engineer?
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
I'm guessing there are fewer Mexicans in London than there are in Silicon Valley. They're the reason for the region becoming a cesspool of disease, poor education, bad traffic, and lack of morals. I'm happier living in Chicago than I would be in either Silicon Valley or London, still got Mexicans here, but far fewer and they speak English.
I'd think it would be obvious: London is the closest thing we have to a planetary capital, and has been such for 250 years. Here in one spot: a major government with world wide connections; one of the three and sometimes the foremost finance center on the planet; a huge and diverse population; access to some of the oldest best and most advanced centers of education, research, and technology on the planet; in relative terms, quite close to all significant places save those around the Pacific; equidistance from the west and east sides of the Pacific; and by far the largest city in one of the three world super-powers, Europe. London also has a cultural life and a history as rich/long as most any inhabited spot.
Besides, I love it there. Parks plays museums great transit great shopping marvelous neighborhoods to explore, to walk, places to eat to drink to socialize. The real food of all the planet's peoples. And wild and solitary places within a travel time of a few hours.
The weather...let's not talk about the English weather lol. But then the central valleys of California actually would be uninhabitable at least most of the year, but for vast amounts of imported water and energy, the weather there is imho world class awful, and so is the air.
I'm paying $575 in suburban Cleveland, which is £362; so £500 (roughly $795) isn't that unreasonable for a place where a) salaries are much higher, b) there are many more types of job available, and c) public transit is much better. Moreover, I'm American. You Brits would freak out at having to drive 10 miles before you get to the train station and then take half-hour on the train to get to work; but that's only a 40 minute commute. State-side that's average.
And you're exaggerating. There are quit e a few £400 spots available.
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5.) Protect vs. downed DNS (adds reliability)
6.) Protect vs. DNS redirect poisoned dns
7.) Protect vs. trackers
8.) Protect vs. spam
9.) Protect vs. phishing
10.) Protect vs. bandwidth caps
11.) Get you past a dnsbl
12.) Keep you off dns request logs
13.) Speed up websurfing by adblocks & hardcoded fav. sites
14.) Work on ANY webbound app (think stand-alone email programs) multiplatform.
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APK
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... apk
"cultural assets make it an ideal place to do business"
How are cultural assets in any way related to doing tech business?
Anyone who willingly used PHP loses the right to claim anything.
Texas?
Outside of the Butthole Surfers, Texas is a wasteland of rednecks, meth and violence.
"I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
1st: See subject dimwit & this quote from you agreeing w/ my points:
"I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
Of course you're not: It's impossible to dispute FACT on HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!
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"I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
Then WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT, shithead? Answer that!
If you're "so-called 'better solutions'" are BETTER, & I bother you? Use them... OBVIOUSLY, asshole, you don't & you're just a "ne'er-do-well" troll, OR you have "other motivations" (see next):
(No, instead you stalk/harass me instead!)
* DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER, or ARE YOU A MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?
Answer that too!
I'll be waiting (but you'll avoid every question, or lie - which only makes you look stupider than ever vs. myself)
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APK
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* How's THAT suit you?
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APK
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Well - LMAO:
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... apk
One time I went to the city hall of the city of Dallas, Texas, to register an assumed-name for a company I wanted to start. Before I register I checked the list of assumed-names that have been taken, and since I had the whole day free, I also check how many assumed names were registered under the mayor of Dallas (back then)
I stopped counting after 300, and there were several pages more (back then there was no Internet)
It did (and still does) make me wonder why the mayor of the city of Dallas needed to register over 300 assumed-names?
If they are for businesses, then it translated to the mayor of Dallas having over 300 businesses
See subject: I'd NEVER 'lower myself' to the levels you project with your bs online name, much less do multiple instances of it either... this reply is in addition to my last one to you here -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
So you can QUIT "projecting" YOUR MODUS OPERANDI onto me, & I never EVER do that - it'd make ME as LOW as those I despise doing it, & THAT is never going to happen.
APK
P.S.=> Period... apk
"I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
1st: See subject dimwit & this quote from you agreeing w/ my points:
"I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
Of course you're not: It's impossible to dispute FACT on HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!
(Since they're fact in favor of hosts doing more than so-called competitors & doing more with less for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity online - which is, of course, more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).
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"I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
Then WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT, shithead? Answer that!
If you're "so-called 'better solutions'" are BETTER, & I bother you? Use them... OBVIOUSLY, asshole, you don't & you're just a "ne'er-do-well" troll, OR you have "other motivations" (see next):
(No, instead you stalk/harass me instead!)
* DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER, or ARE YOU A MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?
Answer that too!
I'll be waiting (but you'll avoid every question, or lie - which only makes you look stupider than ever vs. myself)
(You must be involved with 1 of those above, especially since you're TOO STUPID to EVER "get the best of me" & you know it, witness the above - & their "so-called 'solutions' are INFERIOR TO MINE on TONS of levels, evidencing their stupidity in & of itself via inferior designwork!)
APK
P.S.=> SEE Dave420 SQUIRM everybody, lol - evasions galore from him to ensue are almost guaranteed... apk
"I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
1st: See subject & a quote of you agreeing w/ my points on hosts:
"I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
Of course you're not: It's impossible to dispute FACT on HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!
(Since they're fact in favor of hosts doing more than so-called competitors & doing more with less for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity online - which is, of course, more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).
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"I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
Then WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT, shithead? Answer that!
If you're "so-called 'better solutions'" are BETTER, & I bother you? Use them... OBVIOUSLY, asshole, you don't & you're just a "ne'er-do-well" troll, OR you have "other motivations" (see next):
(No, instead you stalk/harass me instead!)
* DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER, or ARE YOU A MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?
Answer that too!
I'll be waiting (but you'll avoid every question, or lie - which only makes you look stupider than ever vs. myself)
(You must be involved with 1 of those above, especially since you're TOO STUPID to EVER "get the best of me" & you know it, witness the above - & their "so-called 'solutions' are INFERIOR TO MINE on TONS of levels, evidencing their stupidity in & of itself via inferior designwork!)
APK
P.S.=> SEE Dave420 SQUIRM everybody, lol - evasions galore from him to ensue are almost guaranteed... apk
"I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
1st: See subject & quote of you agreeing w/ me & my points on hosts:
"I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
Of course you're not: It's impossible to dispute FACT on HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!
(Since they're fact in favor of hosts doing more than so-called competitors & doing more with less for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity online - which is, of course, more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).
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"I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
Then WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT, shithead? Answer that!
If you're "so-called 'better solutions'" are BETTER, & I bother you? Use them... OBVIOUSLY, asshole, you don't & you're just a "ne'er-do-well" troll, OR you have "other motivations" (see next):
(No, instead you stalk/harass me instead!)
* DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER, or ARE YOU A MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?
Answer that too!
I'll be waiting (but you'll avoid every question, or lie - which only makes you look stupider than ever vs. myself)
(You must be involved with 1 of those above, especially since you're TOO STUPID to EVER "get the best of me" & you know it, witness the above - & their "so-called 'solutions' are INFERIOR TO MINE on TONS of levels, evidencing their stupidity in & of itself via inferior designwork!)
APK
P.S.=> SEE Dave420 SQUIRM everybody, lol - evasions galore from him to ensue are almost guaranteed... apk
"I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
See subject & quote you agreeing w/ me & my points on hosts:
"I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
Of course you're not: It's impossible to dispute FACT on HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!
(Since they're fact in favor of hosts doing more than so-called competitors & doing more with less for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity online - which is, of course, more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).
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"I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
Then WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT, shithead? Answer that!
If you're "so-called 'better solutions'" are BETTER, & I bother you? Use them... OBVIOUSLY, asshole, you don't & you're just a "ne'er-do-well" troll, OR you have "other motivations" (see next):
(No, instead you stalk/harass me instead!)
* DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER, or ARE YOU A MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?
Answer that too!
I'll be waiting (but you'll avoid every question, or lie - which only makes you look stupider than ever vs. myself)
(You must be involved with 1 of those above, especially since you're TOO STUPID to EVER "get the best of me" & you know it, witness the above - & their "so-called 'solutions' are INFERIOR TO MINE on TONS of levels, evidencing their stupidity in & of itself via inferior designwork!)
APK
P.S.=> SEE Dave420 SQUIRM everybody, lol - evasions galore from him to ensue are almost guaranteed... apk
"I just reply to you when I see you spamming Slashdot with your nonsense"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
See subject: Quote of you agreeing w/ my points on hosts:
"I'm not denying all those things" - by dave420 (699308) on Wednesday September 17, 2014 @11:39AM (#47927435) FROM -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
Of course you're not: It's impossible to dispute FACT on HOSTS FILES superiority to other methods!
(Since they're fact in favor of hosts doing more than so-called competitors & doing more with less for more security, speed, reliability, + anonymity online - which is, of course, more than a mere trolling stalking harassing "ne'er-do-well" like yourself could *EVER* manage).
---
"I'm simply pointing out that it takes an AdBlocker to block your spamming"- by dave420 (699308) on Friday June 19, 2015 @10:31AM (#49945047)
Then WHY DON'T YOU DO THAT, shithead? Answer that!
If you're "so-called 'better solutions'" are BETTER, & I bother you? Use them... OBVIOUSLY, asshole, you don't & you're just a "ne'er-do-well" troll, OR you have "other motivations" (see next):
(No, instead you stalk/harass me instead!)
* DO YOU WORK FOR AN ADVERTISING FIRM, or ARE YOU A WEBMASTER/WEBCODER, or ARE YOU A MALWARE MAKER, or ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH 1 OF MY COMPETITORS?
Answer that too!
I'll be waiting (but you'll avoid every question, or lie - which only makes you look stupider than ever vs. myself)
(You must be involved with 1 of those above, especially since you're TOO STUPID to EVER "get the best of me" & you know it, witness the above - & their "so-called 'solutions' are INFERIOR TO MINE on TONS of levels, evidencing their stupidity in & of itself via inferior designwork!)
APK
P.S.=> SEE Dave420 SQUIRM everybody, lol - evasions galore from him to ensue are almost guaranteed... apk