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Turing Near Ready To Ship World's First Liquid Metal Android Smartphone

MojoKid writes: Liquid Metal is an alloy metal (technically, bulk metallic glass) that manages to combine the best features of a wide variety of materials into one product. Liquid Metal also has high corrosion resistance, high tensile strength, remarkable anti-wear characteristics and can also be heat-formed. Given its unique properties, Liquid Metal has been used in a number of industries, including in smartphones. Historically, it has been limited to small-scale applications and pieces parts, not entire products. However, Turing Robotic Industries (TRI) just announced pre-orders for the world's first liquid metal-frame smartphone. The Turing Phone uses its own brand of Liquid Metal called Liquidmorphium, which provides excellent shock absorption characteristics. So instead of making a dent in the smartphone casing or cracking/chipping like plastic when dropped, a Turing Phone should in theory "shake it off" while at the same time protecting the fragile display from breaking. The Turing Phone does not come cheap, however, with pricing starting at $610 for a 16GB model and escalating quickly to $740 and $870 respectively for the 64GB and 128GB models, unlocked. Pre-orders open up on July 31.

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  1. Will these phones run FirefoxOS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Will FirefoxOS run on these phones? I prefer Firefox over Android because it's developed by Mozilla, because it's powered by Firefox technology, and because it uses open standards like JavaScript, HTML5 and CSS3.

    1. Re: Will these phones run FirefoxOS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol, ^ this guy.....

    2. Re:Will these phones run FirefoxOS? by Mats+Svensson · · Score: 1

      Yeah! And will phones made out of Liquid Metal have a USB connector, like those made out of non Liquid Metal ? If not, i don't think Liquid Metal will be very popular.

    3. Re:Will these phones run FirefoxOS? by Garridan · · Score: 1

      Who cares? If their product existed, they'd have pictures and not 3d renderings. Idioth.

  2. Another piece in the puzzle... by mosiadh · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just reading this and imagining if you could make a T-1000 with it

    1. Re:Another piece in the puzzle... by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Turing and "imagine" is normally in the same sentence with "powerful processor" and "Beowulf cluster".

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    2. Re:Another piece in the puzzle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Terminators are made out of nanomachines, not "liquid metal".

    3. Re:Another piece in the puzzle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah I picture your first text message response:

      "He's a good looking boy. Do you mind if I keep this picture?"

    4. Re:Another piece in the puzzle... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Informative

      Terminators are made out of nanomachines, not "liquid metal".

      The movie seems to disagree with you:

      John Connor: So this other guy: he's a Terminator like you, right?
      The Terminator: Not like me. A T-1000, advanced prototype.
      John Connor: You mean more advanced than you are?
      The Terminator: Yes. A mimetic polyalloy.
      John Connor: What the hell does that mean?
      The Terminator: Liquid metal.

    5. Re:Another piece in the puzzle... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      The movie didn't show us the alloy under a microscope.

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    6. Re:Another piece in the puzzle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither has Turing Robotics.

    7. Re:Another piece in the puzzle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just reading this and imagining if you could make a T-1000 with it

      If we want to go direct to sci-fi with this, watching the video my first reaction was not anything Terminator related, but "My God! They have invented metallic flubber!" I will be ordering my Nike air Jordans with this in the soles! (Hopefully the F=MA related consequences of this stuff doesn't result in me stomping my feet and the resulting rebound shattering my Femur or something.)

    8. Re:Another piece in the puzzle... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not actually a rebuttal.

    9. Re:Another piece in the puzzle... by Dormann · · Score: 1
      I was thinking *almost* the same thing.

      I was thinking about how a new Terminator movie is coming out, like... RIGHT NOW.

      And Slashdot is posting their first "liquid metal" post since... I dunno. When was the last Slashdot "liquid metal" post?

    10. Re:Another piece in the puzzle... by kenai_alpenglow · · Score: 1

      Maybe those outmoded, T-1000 models are, but the latest version looked like nanomachines to me. Make sure you have your buckyballs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neodymium_magnet_toys) handy...

    11. Re:Another piece in the puzzle... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      If the comment I was replying to is off-topic, then the one i replied to is as well.

      The fact is other than describing it as 'liquid metal' they do not explain how it actually moves or where its actual processor is and how it communicates with the rest of its, for lack of a better term, 'mass'. We don't know what it looks like on a microscopic level, for all we know it *is* a ton of little nano machines. We certainly do not know any differently from that and the description in the movie isn't adequate enough to say I'm wrong.

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  3. Still waiting by LesFerg · · Score: 2

    I'm gonna wait until they invent transparent Liquidmorphium, then the case and screen can all be one big unbreakable piece... with a whale song ringtone.

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    1. Re:Still waiting by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's overkill. An awesome material used to create a mere toy for narcisists that will be discarded in one year. Seriously, who cares about corrosion resistance when the phone is considered obsolete before it gets out of the shop? Do we really need all these high tech alloys in our landfills?

    2. Re:Still waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      That is the dumbest shit I've heard today. Our smartphones are some of our most used devices. Our jobs, our families, our hobbies, and all the rest of our daily business... it all goes through those things with increasing frequency. How anyone could think $700 over a few years is "overkill" for "a mere toy for narcisists [sic]", is beyond me.

    3. Re:Still waiting by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A mere toy? On my last business trip to an unfamiliar city, my smartphone was absolutely indispensable. It's already closing in on three years old, and I have no intention of replacing it anytime soon unless it breaks. It recently got its first bit of damage (and no clue how it happened), where the lip above the charging port got bent. A little worse, and I would have either had try to pry it open with handtools or replace the phone, as I wouldn't have been able to recharge it.

      While some people replace their phone each year, it's certainly not universally true. Those who cycle through phones yearly are undoubtedly *perceived* to be a higher percentage, because all the people who constantly *talk* about phones (bloggers, tech columnists, enthusiasts, status seekers) always buy the latest gadgets, of course.

      My prediction is that smartphones will become more like PCs, in that they will tend to remain viable far longer than they used to. I believe we're going to reach a performance and feature threshold of sorts. There's very little a modern high-end smartphone *can't do* simply because it doesn't have enough CPU or GPU power anymore (perhaps outside of pure entertainment). The operating systems are becoming more mature, and the app goldrush has petered off into a more sane and sustainable pace. In short, they're becoming more of an everyday tool rather than some sort of tech status symbol, and few people can actually tell whether you have a brand new or a three year old phone outside of a very small niche.

      In terms of the market, again, the exact same thing that happened to PCs (and more recently, tablets) will happen to smartphones. The initial tech rush will die down into a more stable and sustained growth with only slow, incremental improvements and "as needed" replacements. Pundits will lament the "death" of the smartphone market, when all it really means is that most people now have a perfectly usable device and don't feel the need to upgrade each year. Rest assured, the status symbol crowd will find some new sort of gizmo to replace it though.

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    4. Re:Still waiting by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Do we really need all these high tech alloys in our landfills?

      Would you prefer plastic?

    5. Re:Still waiting by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      So, in summary: "you might want to sell those Samsung shares".

      Yes, I am still using my SGS3, and the SGS6 is definitely not more attractive to me (no external SD, No removable battery = no use. With CyanogenMod = no bloatware).

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    6. Re:Still waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cast iron.

    7. Re:Still waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ns, and the cost for the specs?! $610 for 16GB and the rest of the middling specs?!

      Worse it's not even a fashion accessory and only a tiny handful of geek would ever recognize it as having a liquidmetal case.

    8. Re: Still waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Radium.

    9. Re:Still waiting by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      A mere toy? On my last business trip to an unfamiliar city, my smartphone was absolutely indispensable.

      Don't get me wrong, they're incredibly useful and I'd hate to be without mine, but indispensible? We managed to make trips to unfamiliar places before smartphones. These days one doesn't bother to plan anything in advance becayse there's no need if you've got a smartphone. This is of course a boon for the perenially disorganised like me.

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    10. Re: Still waiting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just some hunk with a Liquidmorphium smart phone case. Who cares?

    11. Re:Still waiting by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      Even trying to plan everything in advance, it would be incredibly difficult to navigate an unfamiliar city by myself, as I was, with only a paper map and a route drawn on it. I remember on our family vacations driving across the country that we always needed a second person as a navigator, and even then there was often a lot of guesswork and missed turns.

      My phone, on the other hand, would verbally direct me, and do so even better than a human navigator could. I would only have to occasionally glance at the phone, most of the time simply listening to the audio cues. If you make a wrong turn, the directions update on the fly to get you to where you need to go. Getting lost is damn near impossible.

      This is one example where a smartphone not only replaces an older technology, but is probably an order of magnitude more practical. There's simply no comparison to using paper maps. Being disorganized or not has nothing to do with it... it's actually solved a real-world problem for which paper maps were really only a partial solution. Yeah, I'll still call that "indispensable." Maybe not in a completely literal sense, but close enough for all practical purposes.

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    12. Re:Still waiting by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I have a (whatever they make it with) Samsung Galaxy 3 with a plastic back. Yes, everyone made sure to tell me that the plastic back would be a disaster and it held up just fine.

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  4. Dents, chips... by zephvark · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here's the thing: my smartphones and tablets always look brand new after I've dropped them. They don't dent. They don't chip. They look perfect! They just stop working properly.

    Tell me you've fixed that problem and you've got my money. In the meantime, my piece of crud $40 refurbished smartphone has the really significant advantage that I don't really care if I drop it.

    1. Re:Dents, chips... by TheRealQuestor · · Score: 1

      I good way to fix that issue is simple. Stop dropping your electronics. I've only twice dropped my devices in all the years I have had these things.

    2. Re:Dents, chips... by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      To prevent cellphone damage from drops, the solution is simple: move to space. It's that pesky gravity that is wrecking your electronics.

      ...Or you could just buy a case for your phone.

    3. Re:Dents, chips... by tmosley · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I keep mine in a safe at all times. Much safer that way.

    4. Re:Dents, chips... by dugancent · · Score: 2

      Don't be that jackass. Shit happens.

      I drop my phone all the time because I can be a klutz, therefor a use a case.

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    5. Re:Dents, chips... by Mishotaki · · Score: 1

      To prevent cellphone damage from drops, the solution is simple: move to space. It's that pesky gravity that is wrecking your electronics.

      but then any momentum given to the object would keep it moving as there is no friction... therefore you will lose your phone if it's not attached to you!

    6. Re:Dents, chips... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To prevent cellphone damage from drops, the solution is simple: move to space.

      ... or you could replace your floor with a trampoline.

    7. Re:Dents, chips... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's the thing: my smartphones and tablets always look brand new after I've dropped them. They don't dent. They don't chip. They look perfect! They just stop working properly.

      Tell me you've fixed that problem and you've got my money. In the meantime, my piece of crud $40 refurbished smartphone has the really significant advantage that I don't really care if I drop it.

      Isn't that what Otterbox's business model is based on? I have had a phone hit the ground with such force that it bounced and skittered across a parking lot with no damage, but with this phone and an otter box, The phone will probably self destruct and end up in the next county before it comes to rest.

    8. Re:Dents, chips... by Radak · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      You're not married to my husband. Two weeks after he gets a new phone, it looks like he's run it through the clothes dryer in a box of rocks. I don't know how he does it.

    9. Re:Dents, chips... by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They don't dent. They don't chip.

      I on the other hand have a perfectly working phone covered in dents, chipped off paint (actually there's no chrome bezel around my Galaxy anymore) and cracks in the housing.

      Maybe it all comes down to how you drop it and on what surface?

    10. Re:Dents, chips... by thegarbz · · Score: 0

      I good way to fix that issue is simple. Stop dropping your electronics.

      Smartass, you're talking about a device with the single highest rate of manual handling out of anything. A side effect from being our personal organisers, time wasters, universal communicators, navigators, and all around do everything gadgets. Oh and most people keep them in our pockets which means we need more manual handling for common use than drinking a coffee cup.

      Your assertion that once and simply stop dropping electronics are absolutely ludicrous. Do you work in OH&S by any chance?

    11. Re:Dents, chips... by IMightB · · Score: 1

      I dunno about that. I have an aging TF101, that's beat the F* up but keeps running. I got it black friday, took it home to a wife and a 9mo (nearly 4 now) it's been with our youngest since birth (now nearly 2) the edge of the bezel no longer snaps in, the corners are so busted that the back plate doesn't fit properly. it is in a sorry looking state.

      The thing is, it just keeps working. combined with the sweet, sweet Katt Kiss project (Shout out Duru!) I dont think the thing will ever stop working. My Nexus 6 screen survived exactly one toddler drop (with case!) before shattering.

    12. Re:Dents, chips... by IMightB · · Score: 1

      Ermm also, what I was trying to say is that I consider the state of the glass to be the deal breaker. If the glass is broken, I will not let my kids anywhere near it. The TF101 glass is 100% fine, not a chip or crack anywhere, the body is falling apart. My Nexus 6 OHO... My Nexus 5 gave a gallant effort but succumbed too early. The Droid models did pretty well, but that was before I had kids....

    13. Re:Dents, chips... by IMightB · · Score: 1

      Lastly, I consider most things to be tools. Form follows function sort of guy. I'd be super Pissed if my hammer shattered the first time it encountered a nail.

    14. Re: Dents, chips... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is gravity in space.

    15. Re:Dents, chips... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To prevent cellphone damage from drops, the solution is simple: move to space. It's that pesky gravity that is wrecking your electronics.

      but then any momentum given to the object would keep it moving as there is no friction... therefore you will lose your phone if it's not attached to you!

      If you drop your phone in zero-G and it drifts out the door you left open... you have bigger problems than anyone you need a phone to call can help with in time.

    16. Re:Dents, chips... by Pherdnut · · Score: 1

      And how many times in your perfect life have you landed painfully on your left testicle because you fell after some other clumsy oaf bumped into you? Not that I want this to happen to you or anything.

  5. q/a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Question is will it blend?

    1. Re:q/a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Question is will it blend?

      Good Question: Short answer: No but the blender will.

  6. Memory prices are crazy by bobbutts · · Score: 2

    How long until all phones and tablets come with a reasonable amount of storage and don't have an insane premium to upgrade it?

    1. Re: Memory prices are crazy by tleaf100 · · Score: 0

      Its worked for apple for years,whem they stop,so will most other makers who jumped on the easy profit gravy train...

    2. Re:Memory prices are crazy by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      How long until all phones and tablets come with a reasonable amount of storage and don't have an insane premium to upgrade it?

      Most non Apple mobile phones come with SD card slots which allow you to upgrade storage at will.
      Many devices are also quite cheap.

      Oh but I imagine you also wanted a 16 core processor, 32GB of RAM, a 4K display, and a 2 week battery life too right? Well that WILL cost you.

    3. Re:Memory prices are crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 64GB OnePlus last year cost around $300. Hardware prices are alright as long as you don't get a Samsung or an iDevice or one of the "flagships".

    4. Re:Memory prices are crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most non Apple mobile phones come with SD card slots which allow you to upgrade storage at will.

      Except the latest android software deliberately cripples what can be stored on the external storage. Depending on how much money you've paid for your phone you'll run out of main storage long before you run out of external storage.

    5. Re:Memory prices are crazy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Never. The price reflects what you can afford, not what it costs to manufacture.

  7. does it run the T-1000 os? wopr os? by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    does it run the T-1000 os? wopr os?

  8. Who the fuck is Turing by Razed+By+TV · · Score: 5, Informative

    and why should I give a shit?
    Turing Robotic Industries is a company that has created no products to date. One article says it is mostly funded by Lugee Li, CEO of DongGuan Eontec Co., Ltd. That company seems to be primarily involved in die cast metal.
    So far, none of this is important enough to be news to me.

    What is this mysterious Liquid Metal, that I can't tell if it is a trademark or brand name or what?
    Well, it seems to be an amorphous metal alloy with a non crystalline structure. This grants it some physical properties, different strengths and weaknesses, than a chemically similar crystalline metal. However, I doubt this is going to save your screen if you do drop your phone.

    Anyways, a couple of paragraphs from wikipedia:
    "An amorphous metal (also known metallic glass or glassy metal) is a solid metallic material, usually an alloy, with a disordered atomic-scale structure. Most metals are crystalline in their solid state, which means they have a highly ordered arrangement of atoms. Amorphous metals are non-crystalline, and have a glass-like structure. But unlike common glasses, such as window glass, which are typically electrical insulators, amorphous metals have good electrical conductivity."
    "Amorphous metals have higher tensile yield strengths and higher elastic strain limits than polycrystalline metal alloys, but their ductilities and fatigue strengths are lower.[12] Amorphous alloys have a variety of potentially useful properties. In particular, they tend to be stronger than crystalline alloys of similar chemical composition, and they can sustain larger reversible ("elastic") deformations than crystalline alloys. Amorphous metals derive their strength directly from their non-crystalline structure, which does not have any of the defects (such as dislocations) that limit the strength of crystalline alloys. One modern amorphous metal, known as Vitreloy, has a tensile strength that is almost twice that of high-grade titanium. However, metallic glasses at room temperature are not ductile and tend to fail suddenly when loaded in tension, which limits the material applicability in reliability-critical applications, as the impending failure is not evident. Therefore, there is considerable interest in producing metal matrix composite materials consisting of a metallic glass matrix containing dendritic particles or fibers of a ductile crystalline metal."

    1. Re:Who the fuck is Turing by Limitless_Potential · · Score: 0

      Maybe its an Apple shell company? From what I've read they've got a shed load of liquid metal patents for mobile devices and computers

    2. Re:Who the fuck is Turing by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Anyways, a couple of paragraphs from wikipedia:

      More interesting to me from the same article (probably), is the compositions listed : zirconium, beryllium, titanium, copper, nickel, and more recently aluminium and niobium. From a health-effects and recyclability point of view, I'd watch out for the nickel and beryllium in particular. I don't have a nickel sensitivity myself, I think, but I've had enough contact with people who do have a bad response to anticipate problems, for a moderate proportion of users.

      Which isn't a show-stopper, but it's an issues some people might need to be careful of.

      Protect the screen of my smart phone? Isn't that why I put it in a fibre-board and PVC phone case? Oh yes, so it is. And does that protect my phone when it falls out of my pocket while I'm cycling down the road at 25kmph? So far, yes. And it cost a whole 2 Beers (in internationally translatable costs).

      Interesting product. No sale though.

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  9. Deformity and bounce by Iamthecheese · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The bounce video does not demonstrate the ideal mater for a phone casing unless it's the frame that breaks. Note how their alloy bounces a long time. That means it's hardly deforming under the pressure at all, and immediately returning the kinetic energy. You want that in a golf ball. You probably don't want that in a car frame or a cell phone.

    The frame will be very robust, but at the cost of transferring all energy to the internal components. Fewer will break due to a deforming case but that's not why your phone breaks.

    It's not the ideal material for today's phones but the material could be the first step in a new, very robust kind of phone design. If the components are cushioned with energy-absorbing structural elements (don't screw the motherboard directly to the case) then the phone's durability is no longer a function of case or component durability but of clever kinetic energy management.

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    1. Re: Deformity and bounce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah really, who would want to wait for their phone to stop bouncing for over a minute before it can be easily picked up?! Some people just don't think things through.

    2. Re: Deformity and bounce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I want a basketball one.

    3. Re:Deformity and bounce by BadgerRush · · Score: 1

      Generally speaking you are right about car frames, wrong about phone frames and technically wrong about golf balls.

      Car frames are made to absorb energy deforming because the internal component it is trying to save (the people inside) are very fragile to high G forces. The internal components of a phone on the other hand, are extremely resistant to high Gs, what dose components can't withstand are forces applied irregularly to just part of it. So yes, current phones always break because of deforming cases, that is, in the instant a phone hits a hard surface the case bends a tiny tiny bit, causing the components to "feel" the forces of the impact being applied only to one of its sides, causing them to break. If the case was 100% unbendable, the force would be applied uniformly across the whole body of the components, and in this case they can take much stronger forces without damage.

      On an unrelated note, a golf ball in its intended function (being hit by a club) is very deformable, not returning the kinetic energy immediately but instead first using it to compress into a pancake and later (as in later into the swing, when the club is applying less force to the ball) releasing that energy like a very tough compressed spring.

  10. Solid metal by penguinoid · · Score: 1

    I remember playing with some liquid metal. Call me crazy, but I prefer my things made from solid metal.

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    1. Re: Solid metal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, we used to play in the mercury tub all the time. Never thought of using it in a phone. Good idea.

  11. All I hear is... by Joshua+Fan · · Score: 2

    Gimmick, gimmick, gimmick, unproven gimmick, take our word for it and give us an exorbitant amount of money, you sucker.

    1. Re:All I hear is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      not only is it a gimmick, it's completely made up and false. this is a penny stock scam.

  12. Price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what you mean is cheaper than apple idiotphones,at least in the uk..

  13. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now now, my challenged friend. What happened to the cows and the app appers?

  14. When will they learn by kuzb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nobody is asking for a new material to build the phone out of. Nobody is asking for another gig of ram, or a bigger screen. What people ARE asking for is better battery life. Making a phone out of exotic materials and then pricing yourself out of the market is a dumb idea. The world doesn't need another luxury smartphone. It needs a better smartphone for the average user.

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    1. Re:When will they learn by cerberusss · · Score: 1

      As long as my smartphone lasts through a long, busy day, I'm fine with the battery. I used to have an Android phone, and carry two extra charged batteries. However since the iPhone 6 Plus, I'm coming home with 70% charge left.

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    2. Re:When will they learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An iPhone is a luxury item. There is a market for $100-200 unlocked smartphones which perform reliably and have reasonable battery life - 30+ hours including ~2 hours talk, ~2 hours browsing on 3G/4G, ~4 hours of music, wifi and 3G data enabled throughout. A small screen size and a slower CPU are excusable, running out of charge in half a day unless you switch off data and wifi is not.

    3. Re:When will they learn by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I carry extra batteries as well. Unfortunately the market is full of people who will argue to the death that internal batteries are OK, and thus the smartphones that have changeable batteries are dwindling.

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    4. Re:When will they learn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you know someone has an iphone? Don't worry, they'll tell you.

      An iphone is an overpriced piece of shit that useless cunts like yourself buy in order to validate your existence.

    5. Re:When will they learn by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      I carry extra batteries as well. Unfortunately the market is full of people who will argue to the death that internal batteries are OK, and thus the smartphones that have changeable batteries are dwindling.

      Well, unless you have an external method of charging those batteries, extra batteries are a huge PITA. Now, some phones DO have extra docks and such available so you can charge batteries outside the phone, but the vast majority do not.

      The problem is, the user switches batteries, and goes home, puts the phone on charge. Now what? Most users don't have the discipline to wait for the first battery to charge, then swap the batteries again so it charges the dead one. So now the user is carrying spare batteries, one of which is dead.

      Back in the old days, chargers did come with spare areas for charging extra batteries - you slip the spare into the spot in the charging cradle and it charged both automatically.

      So for the vast majority of users, an external pack (which is far easier to keep charged since they either use an existing micro USB charger, or have their own charger, or even support tandem (charger to battery pack to phone) charging). is way more convenient and less "time to swap batteries".

    6. Re:When will they learn by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      The last battery I bought cost $18 and came with an external charger for free. Hasn't been a problem to remember to stick the spare in there until it is required.

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  15. Umm, who are these guys? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    This product doesn't appear to be outside of the realm of the possible; bulk metallic glasses are a real thing (and apparently not excessively expensive for consumer electronics, a number of Sandisk's adequate-but-cheap-and-wholly-unexciting MP3 players used them as chassis materials); and the rest of the specs are on the high side; but available.

    However, there appears to be almost nothing about this 'Turing Robotic Industries' except a couple of sites with the same 3d renders and vague puffery. Is 'cryptic' just what all the cool kids are doing these days, or is this the ever delightful scent of vaporware?

    1. Re: Umm, who are these guys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vaporware for sure. I mean really...asians can make phones?

    2. Re:Umm, who are these guys? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      This product doesn't appear to be outside of the realm of the possible; bulk metallic glasses are a real thing (and apparently not excessively expensive for consumer electronics, a number of Sandisk's adequate-but-cheap-and-wholly-unexciting MP3 players used them as chassis materials); and the rest of the specs are on the high side; but available.

      However, there appears to be almost nothing about this 'Turing Robotic Industries' except a couple of sites with the same 3d renders and vague puffery. Is 'cryptic' just what all the cool kids are doing these days, or is this the ever delightful scent of vaporware?

      I suspect these guys may be an industrial manufacturer or some form or other, where a webpage is basically whoever can host web pages for free and who use gmail for email.

      Given Apple just renewed their exclusivity to use Liquid Metal technology (in consumer electronics), someone's going to be in a world of hurt.

      Could be these guys may be forced to license through Apple, Apple may demand damages from Liquid Metal for allowing this to happen, or Liquid Metal might terminate the contract with these guys.

      Might want to hold off on the pre-orders...

    3. Re:Umm, who are these guys? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      I don't know if there are other sources or not. The concept of non-crystalline metal alloys is not itself patented; but the problem with them has historically been that they can only be fabricated by cooling the metal at truly heroic rates(achievable with hair-thin samples that are just large enough to poke at in the lab; but anything of actually useful size would partially or wholly crystalize during cooling). The 'Liquid Metal' guys originate from some Caltech research that identified alloys that remain amorphous during processing that is actually practical for parts of moderate size.

      They certainly hold all the patents that they can surrounding that; but if somebody else has a sufficiently distinct alloy that also doesn't crystalize during cooling, they just need to avoid stepping on any trademarks.

  16. Um... I drop my el-cheapo LG all the time by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    Sure, it's dog slow, but it's hit the asphalt at least twice now and it's still kickin'. Hell, if they'd stop putting a heavy piece of glass on them to make them feel less like the cheap toys they are my kid's iPhone would stop breaking when she drops it.

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  17. SCAM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Liquid Metal is a penny stock scam. their CEO was indicted for fraud. The whole Apple deal was completely fabricated. There are no press releases by Apple EVER stating that they made ANY kind of deals.

    Their (liquid metal) website is a joke. I found a few images on there website of instruments they make taken form stock photography websites.

    I can't believe theyre still getting away with this.

    1. Re:SCAM by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      MojoKid was probably in such a rush to get his clickbait up that he forgot to do any checking. Explains "pieces parts" too.

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    2. Re:SCAM by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Something sounds fishy about this, for sure, but Apple has shipped Liquid Metal components before, namely the "SIM Removal Tool" (i.e. a glorified paperclip) that shipped with, I believe, the iPhone 3GS. So yes, we do know that a deal with Apple has existed for quite some time, and by all indications and the reports I've see, Apple's exclusivity deal with Liquid Metal for the consumer electronics market was re-upped last month when it was due to expire.

  18. Doesn't Apple have exclusive rights to LiquidMetal by dazol · · Score: 1

    Unless I'm reading this wrong (and I might be):

    Apple renews Liquidmetal exclusivity license into 2016
    http://appleinsider.com/articl...

  19. Just a toy for the rich? by jandersen · · Score: 1

    One of the things that immediately puts me in alert mode is that name 'Liquid Metal', capitalised, no less. Understanding of what a glass actually is, is realtively new, of course, and something that is likely to become very useful in the future, but why make a phone with frame made of it? If it is indeed as good and durable as all that, is it actually going to be relevant? Smartphones are 'old' almost as soon as they go on sale, since the technology is still developing quickly, and unless the hardware etc can be upgraded easily, having an expensive phone like this is no more than a toy for the rich and stupid.

  20. douchebags profitting from Turing's name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    These douche bags are doing nothing other than trying to profit from Alan Turing's name(they have nothing to do with him or his estate from what I can tell)

    Why not come up with your own name cock suckers?

  21. protip: # of buzzwords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is inversely proportional to quality

    liquidmorphium ?

    give me a break

  22. What I Really Want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I really want is a phone that I can read the screen in direct sunlight. That would be a moble phone for the real world, not just in some office cubicle.

  23. Liquid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Looks pretty solid to me: http://hothardware.com/news/turing-announces-pre-orders-for-worlds-first-liquid-metal-frame-smartphone

  24. But it doesn't stop the shock ? by Kuruk · · Score: 1

    From what I see this Liquidmetal is VERY good at transmitting shock and not absorbing it. So when you drop your phone it will send that shock back out of the metal to the screen and bouncing the device higher than normal so it can fall down again and again.

  25. Re:Doesn't Apple have exclusive rights to LiquidMe by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

    I'm wondering about this as well. Apple and Liquid Metal have had an exclusivity agreement in place for consumer electronics for years, and by all indications, that agreements remains in place.