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Facebook CIO Discusses Zuckerberg's "Will You Resign?" Email

CarlaRudder writes: When Mark Zuckerberg sends an email with the subject line, "Will you resign?" people remember it. In this case, the email went to the entire company after someone leaked damaging information, but CIO Tim Campos talks about his hesitation to open the email, thinking it was addressed to him personally. He goes on to share an insider's perspective on the power of culture at Facebook, the benefits of giving employees time and space to both fail and create, and why data is at the core of every decision made in the company.

141 comments

  1. YES by invictusvoyd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There have been times in my life when I'd happily reply to that email.

    1. Re:YES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Cool story, bro.

    2. Re:YES by zidium · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The answer should always be:

      NEVER!! But I will look kindly on any letter of layoff you provide me!

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    3. Re:YES by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There have been times in my life when I'd happily reply to that email.

      Then leave. Seriously if you do not want to be there the company will not want you there either. Why force yourself something you and your employer do not want to do and for what purpose?

      If you made mistakes (I have in the past) where you have a question past or might be labeled a job hopper by HR than that is on you. Life is short

      Look at it this way. Work is a relationship if you ask a psychologist. Humans have relationships to groups too and not just individuals that meet each others needs. So like a bad gf dump.

    4. Re:YES by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 2

      It's not always that easy. Unlike a gf / bf dumping a job that is putting food on the table without having another job lined up is not a very good idea. Nowadays most people don't save, so taking a month or two to find another job without a steady pay check would mean oodles of debt. Or you take the first one that is offered, only to find it's worse. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. Then there are also days when everything goes to shit, you're irritated, your team is under pressure, upper management are grumpy (probably because they just got dumped by their gf /bf) so days like that you would probably REALLY want to say YES. But then most other days work is fine. If it was all fun and games at work they would not have to pay you (or pay you as much at least).

      --
      There are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third is statistics.
    5. Re:YES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two things:

      1. money: it's not the be all and end all, but it does matter.
      2. heat of the moment: just because you're angry now doesn't mean you won't be happy again tomorrow.

    6. Re: YES by Threni · · Score: 1

      It's money, isn't it. "Why do you want to work here?". Money. Slightly different problems elsewhere. I'll move when it gets bad enough here. Sometimes it's funny watching management fail, too. Hey, they're paid more than me, and they're fucking stupid as shit. Yes, back in the day I raised concerns but.. You know... Management knows best. I'm not passionate about whatever the company I'm currently paid by happens to produce. What would be the odds of that? It's just a job.

    7. Re:YES by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      I was at a large telco that has a pattern of hire-layoff cycles. One layoff cycle, it was a big one, with changes and such, and they asked for volunteers. More people volunteered than they had reductions. They let all those go who wanted. The next layoff time, anyone who asked about volunteering wasn't laid off. The idea was that anyone who wanted to leave, shouldn't be eligible for the layoff package. If you want to go, quit. If you want to stay, we'll fire you.

      I got laid off a few rounds after that, not a bad thing.

    8. Re:YES by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Well I never said walk out the door immediately. If you can't find other work that is better than you don't deserve it. Ask any SV Nosql programmer here? They get several calls a week for jobs.

      If you can't leave you're not a valuable employee. Probably because you have a bad attitude for not loving your job and wanting to quit. Ouch but it is true

      Life is short for the employer too. I refuse to stay chained to misery and encourage others. If risk is not your Forte then you need an attitude adjustment and be happy you have a job. Some don't. I had a CEO who would always ask if you liked your job. Anything but a yes was grounds for termination. Didn't have time for negative people etc

    9. Re:YES by Raenex · · Score: 2

      I had a CEO who would always ask if you liked your job. Anything but a yes was grounds for termination.

      Sounds like a typical jackass CEO who uses lame litmus tests to make important decisions. Just about anybody will instinctively answer that question in the affirmative, regardless of how they feel, because they know it's a sensitive question being asked by a person in a position of power.

      Personally, work is work, and I can take something I enjoy, and when I'm forced to do it to make a living, it's not fun anymore. My guess is that's true for a lot of people.

    10. Re:YES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So then get fired. It makes no difference.

    11. Re:YES by AK+Marc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nope. Fired would get me paid 2 weeks. Laid off got me paid 2 months.

    12. Re: YES by tburkhol · · Score: 2

      It's money, isn't it. "Why do you want to work here?". Money. Slightly different problems elsewhere.

      Company founders, generally, aren't in it for the money. They're in it because they think they have a cool widget and really want other people to value that widget. They want everyone they work with to share that passion.

      Workers want to trade time for money. They share the management belief that employees are faceless, fungible cogs that can be plugged into tasks without any real connection to the business or widget. Coding, digging coal, torturing puppies, whatever...it's just a job.

      Healthy people are somewhere in between. Sip the coolaid, join the team, but make sure your personal well-being is not 100% dependent on success. You'll have a lot more fun when the widget wins. You'll do better work. You'll still be able to change jobs if things go to crap.

    13. Re:YES by LaurenCates · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Work is a relationship if you ask a psychologist. Humans have relationships to groups too and not just individuals that meet each others needs. So like a bad gf dump.

      I tell people all the time - superiors, especially - that my job, in my perception, is just as much a relationship to me as it is to my husband.

      And as such, I've learned that if it isn't meeting my needs or making me happy, I should find something else to do.

      The ones who understand treat me with respect. The ones who don't have typically an unhappy set of employees under them, not just me.

      A small anecdote regarding the latter:

      The last job I left, my boss sat me down and begged me not to leave, even after letting go of two employees due to budget cuts (cutting the staff from 10 to 8; we were a satellite office of a much larger company). I told him that I was too young to be tied down to a job where I was clearly not allowed to branch out (he constantly hedged and made excuses, but I took the diplomatic tack of not blaming him in this conversation). He was willing to offer me something like 10% above my current salary to keep me on board, but couldn't guarantee that I'd be allowed to find work elsewhere within the company.

      So, I told him this, and I think he still didn't get what I was talking about:

      I once had a boyfriend who would tell me "maybe" all the time. All the things I wanted to do were "maybes". Maybe we'll go out tonight. Maybe we'll make plans for next weekend. Maybe we'll move in together. Maybe, maybe, maybe.

      I told said boyfriend that if those maybes didn't start turning into yeses, that I'd leave.

      He then went on to treat me like I was an ungrateful brat. Sure, I wanted things, but he was giving things. And even if they weren't the things I wanted, hell, he was contributing, and dammit, why wasn't I happy with that?

      Boyfriend, boss, same deal. If someone keeps telling you "maybe" you'll get the things you want someday, all you're going to get is a bunch of "maybes". And that's what I got from my boss. I told him I don't have the time to sit around waiting for "maybes" to turn into "yeses".

      My point here is: much as you spend time with a significant other, you're going to spend about as much with your job. I'm surprised that more people don't think that they need to set as many expectations for an employer as they do a spouse.

      --
      Some people don't believe in fairies. I don't believe in The Patriarchy.
    14. Re:YES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Personally, work is work, and I can take something I enjoy, and when I'm forced to do it to make a living, it's not fun anymore. My guess is that's true for a lot of people.

      Never make your hobby into a job, it tends to result in you growing to hate your hobby.

    15. Re:YES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just about anybody will instinctively answer that question in the affirmative, regardless of how they feel, because they know it's a sensitive question being asked by a person in a position of power.

      This. Even asking the question is pointless for the CEO. Who in their right mind, when asked by their CEO whether or not they like their job, is going to say no? Unless they're nuts or are actively looking to get fired. My CEO asks me that and I'm gonna be like, "Yes sir, love it sir!" Regardless of reality...

    16. Re:YES by tompaulco · · Score: 2

      Then leave. Seriously if you do not want to be there the company will not want you there either.

      My last job I wanted to leave several times but there were hug stock and ownership promises on the table that I would be giving up. Eventually, they let me go after I had finished building their system for them without giving me any of the promised stock or ownership. So it turned out I could have left at any time and would have made more money in the long run if I had quit early on. But hindsight is 20/20. And I learned a valuable lesson. Don't trust employers. Especially ones who claim to be Christians.

      --
      If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
    17. Re:YES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I once had a job that i was very underpaid for. i was promised a large raise. months and months passed nothing. i would ask and they would be like the paperwork is still going though, oh we will have it budgeted next quarter etc. nothing. So one day i schedule a half day and show up in a suit. when asked about the suit i said i had some personal business to take care of after work. damned if that paperwork didn't go though by the end of the week. unfortunately for them i had gotten the other job and after accepting the raise at my current place put in my 2 weeks.

    18. Re:YES by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      C-levels in public companies always resign. Never get laid off. Their compensation does not suffer from putting a spin-friendly name on it.

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    19. Re: YES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had to resign my previous post at 5:00 on Friday to start my new one at 8:30 Monday morning... you have to love the beauracracy of small government with unions.

    20. Re:YES by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Never trust anyone who talks about their religion. The louder the talk the less they can be trusted.

      Same applies to signs. See a christian fish on the sign, keep driving, guaranteed thieves.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    21. Re: YES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it's a genius question to ask. Anyone who would tell the CEO their job sucks has lost their mind and should be fired just for being unstable.
      The CEO isn't retarded, he/she is just making sure his employees aren't.

  2. Openness by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful
    There is nothing to say about this Zuckerberg quote. Someone doesn't understand 'openness.' I will never work at that company.

    Zuckerberg went on to write that the employee obviously didn’t share the same values of openness and transparency because they shared the confidential information in a way they were asked not to do.

    --
    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    1. Re:Openness by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      yeah i was thinking the same thing

      all organizations have secrets. some of those secrets are necessary. divulging them of course is damaging to the company. it's a betrayal, a backstab. for any number of motivations: greed, revenge, etc

      meanwhile, openness and transparency are nice attitudes to have towards your clients and customers, but they have absolutely nothing to do with the internal workings of a corporation. this is plainly obvious to anyone in a professional organization. openness and transparency just doesn't apply in the halls of corporate hq. the idea is laughable

      so for someone to bloviate about openness and transparency in regards to internal corporate workings in the baldly incoherent way as the passage you cited

      1. shows them to have a dangerously facile idea of what openness and transparency really means, or

      2. shows them to openly wield the concepts in a knowingly orwellian manner

      either way, it shows important people at facebook with a dangerously immature or malicious understanding of concepts that, when applied to the kind of data they siphon up about millions of people, is frightening

      yeah, we all know the cynical line "if you don't pay for it, you are the product" and it's a funny laugh, but little utterances like the passage you highlighted suddenly makes it so stark, like a chill down the spine, about what a company like facebook is doing in society, doing to society

      if zuckberberg had said "we had secrets, you let them out, fuck you" then i can respect this man as a capable corporate stooge. but the disingenuous way in which he applies the concepts of openness and transparency to a simple case of corporate backstabbing makes me frightened about the kind of power this company holds and the way they think about the power

      --
      intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
    2. Re:Openness by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      yeah, we all know the cynical line "if you don't pay for it, you are the product" and it's a funny laugh

      I can tell you, I've worked in ad tech, and it's not a "funny laugh." It is absolutely true.....the best ad tech companies try to respect their users, but they know where the money comes from, and the sales people get rewarded for bringing in more money. The company becomes naturally organized around the people who pay money.

      At the end of the day, that is why we have malware in ads.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    3. Re:Openness by Zeio · · Score: 0, Troll

      Zuck the **** is an intellectual property thief, a spy that colludes to collect (nay steal) our information, correlate it and sell it to anyone or any government at whatever price. Then he goes on to want to import an arbitrary number of H1Bs but would never spend a buck on making a decent school in the US. sheryl sandberg worked for a high ranking official in the us gov (larry summers) and was invited to face**** to get a billion+ fortune for doing exactly nothing. On top of this all sheryl sandberg is gallivanting around with billionaires a few months after the husband kicked it, despicable. This despicable company steals information and is run by an intellectual property thief, hires H1B scabs and employs a throng of beltway insiders. Disgusting.

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      Legalize the constitution. Think for yourself question authority.
    4. Re:Openness by lucm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is nothing to say about this Zuckerberg quote. Someone doesn't understand 'openness.' I will never work at that company.

      Zuckerberg went on to write that the employee obviously didn’t share the same values of openness and transparency because they shared the confidential information in a way they were asked not to do.

      That person released confidential information without telling anyone about it, and without coming out when it was leaked, so they were not doing it in a transparent manner. This is just like the dude at Wikileaks who operates in total secrecy but publishes the secrets of other people. Once you start doing cherry picking on what you "share", that's not being open and transparent.

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      lucm, indeed.
    5. Re:Openness by lucm · · Score: 1

      Some people never got over the death of MySpace.

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      lucm, indeed.
    6. Re:Openness by N1AK · · Score: 1

      And I doubt they'd want you if you fall for that kind of logical fallacy.

      A lot of firms keep almost everything secret from most employees because they don't trust them. If a company is open and transparent then they might share things like details of customer negotiations with more employees, that doesn't mean they are hypocritical for asking those employees not to post that sensitive information online or give it to competitors.

      You don't have to think encryption is wrong in all circumstances to be allowed to claim you believe in transparency, the world can't be boiled down to naive black and white extremes like that.

    7. Re:Openness by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Took you quite some time to figure that one out.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    8. Re:Openness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what you get when some young asshole stumbles onto something or steals other people's work and then lucks out.

      Sounds like Sukeberg is a first class asshole.

      your jus jelez of his hott wife and his bilions of dollar

      i bet u wurk at mcdonulds

      "Hot" is relative but I've never heard anyone refer to her as hot before, usually it's "that man's more than rich enough to have so much better on his arm."

    9. Re:Openness by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      There is nothing to say about this Zuckerberg quote. Someone doesn't understand 'openness.' I will never work at that company.

      Zuckerberg went on to write that the employee obviously didn’t share the same values of openness and transparency because they shared the confidential information in a way they were asked not to do.

      The management and C-level folks know about massive layoffs and things that effect the employees months in advance. Are they totally open and transparent about these important things which affect the lives and families of their employees? Of course not. But they expect the employees to be totally open and transparent with them.

      --
      If you are not allowed to question your government then the government has answered your question.
    10. Re: Openness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    11. Re: Openness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also see Chodorkovsky or Timoshenko. These folks are in some ways maniacs. They cannot enjoy a nice life, they need to have their names in history books of some sorts. To that end they can be cynics of first order.

      Proper government knows these folks and will neutralize their maliciousness. But these folks have powerful friends and somehow manage to control the media in many nations. Chodorkovsky at one point thought he would first own all oil and then be the new czar of Russia. All while exfiltrating the oil proceeds to New York. It turned out the real czar and his state foiled his plans. Now look how they demonize the czar in the "west".

    12. Re: Openness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Top level finance, military and government is full of lying. E.g. the Iraq False Flag. Team managers already play the lying game.

      But the low level sheeple are supposed to be honest.

      If you are "honest" your genes are in for the Darwin Award. In some cultures lying is cultivated as an art and you should be prepared for immigrants from said cultures to exploit you to the maximum if you continue your Truthi-Sickness.

  3. I never read my email. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For precisely this reason. It's always spam.

    1. Re:I never read my email. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are fired.

      -- Mark Suckerberg
      CEO of Assbook

    2. Re:I never read my email. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Delete. I hate spam. Keep those paychecks coming! or I'll set the building on fire.

  4. Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He sure knows how to kiss ass.

    1. Re:Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In today's social networked world where everything is socialized up the ass, you either kiss ass, or you kiss the gutter. I prefer the gutter. There's less chance of ass in it.

    2. Re:Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except your drunk one. But no. I agree to not care.

    3. Re:Wow. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You sir have insulted my honor. I will have you know I am a teetotaler and I only drink caffeinated fruit juices.

  5. Meh by floodo1 · · Score: 2

    You could say that IT & Finance were both wrong and that the data was right, or you could say that all of them were right and then you'd have an even better culture. The lessons to be learned from the article are trivial at best.

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    I KUT J00 M4NG!!!
  6. Will You Fire Me? by sk999 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I asked that once of the Director. It was a blatent request.

    He refused. "Nope."

    Left me stuck with an impossible job. Fortunately, things worked themselves out.

    Nowadays, he comes around and pesters me. I want to fire him, but can't, because he's retired. Maybe I should resign.

    1. Re:Will You Fire Me? by zidium · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's too bad you weren't more employable that you couldn't find another job.

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      Slashdot Valentines Beta Massacre: iT WORKED! The boycotts killed Beta!!
  7. Looks like facebook by kungfuj35u5 · · Score: 1

    has some weird psychological warfare going on there.

    1. Re:Looks like facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      has some weird psychological warfare going on there.

      Fail harder, bitch.

  8. CAN WE ALL GET ALONG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no

  9. Effing Useless by multimediavt · · Score: 1

    Sorry. I RTFA and found it utterly useless corporate BS. The only "takeaway" I had was a reminder of my time spent in an organization that blathered on about platitudes like this and was completely, morally bankrupt at its core. Seems like Facebook and Zuckerberg are too.

    1. Re:Effing Useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      I only read the summary.

      My thought was that "but CIO Tim Campos talks about his hesitation to open the email, thinking it was addressed to him personally." is says a lot about the company culture.

      If I saw an e-mail from my boss with the subject line "Will you resign?" my first thought would be why he is worrying about that and that I'd have to reassure him that I'll keep working for a couple of more years.
      If the CIO looks at that subject with dread and feels that it is likely that he would be asked to leave like that without any prior discussions about performance or value to the company then the company as whole has serious problems.
      How can a company work properly if there is so much fear and distrust at that level? My guess is that it doesn't.

    2. Re:Effing Useless by coofercat · · Score: 1

      Yeah, TFA is a waste of bytes on it's own. I read it with a view to employers past and present, and adding in that knowledge it starts to be passingly interesting.

      TFA is missing: what did the email say? did the 'leaker' resign or were they found out? what was the nature of the leaked information?

      These things are important, because without them it's hard to make any real conclusions about any of it. If the email read "ha - fooled you - have a $1000 bonus for being great", then that says something very different from "if you're not 100% facebook, then you should resign because we don't want you". Likewise, if the leaked information was the source code to the ad-picker for the timeline, then that's very different from sharing Zuck's bra size. In the former case, then some firings are in order, in the latter then no email should have been sent at all.

      So all in all, I conclude that CIOs of Facebook aren't very interesting to listen to, and don't have much self-belief.

  10. What does CIO stand for? by sixshot · · Score: 1

    because the first thing that popped into mind was Chief Idiot Officer

  11. What about GitHub? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What are your thoughts about GitHub and the recent code of conduct controversy?

    1. Re:What about GitHub? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I ignore it, like I ignore things that don't matter.

      Penny Arcade had a comic that is probably relevant to that topic: (in the first frame). GitHub's opinions on diversity and inclusiveness don't matter much. If GitHub service becomes lousy, then I'll stop using their services, that's about it.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    2. Re:What about GitHub? by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      How is that quote relevant at all? No one is dying, no one is even coming for anyone. There are plenty of other places to host a git repository.

      Seriously, you need to get perspective on history or something, because comparing the holocaust to Github is silly.

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    3. Re:What about GitHub? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can still speak for yourself

    4. Re:What about GitHub? by ckatko · · Score: 1

      > no one is even coming for anyone.

      Tell that to Brendan Eich.

    5. Re:What about GitHub? by One+With+Whisp · · Score: 1

      What controversy? It's not being forced onto people, so what's the issue?

    6. Re:What about GitHub? by iluvcapra · · Score: 0

      Brendan Eich voluntarily resigned as the CEO of a nonprofit when it was revealed he, publicly, advocated including LGBT communities and their input in the Mozilla project, but privately supported a campaign to deny LGBT people their constitutional rights.

      He didn't lose his job for his beliefs, he lost his job because he was the head of a huge non-profit and it transpired he was duplicitous and had no integrity.

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      Don't blame me, I voted for Baltar.
    7. Re:What about GitHub? by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 1

      Wait, you're equating a CEO resigning because he said something stupid and embarrassing to Genocide?

      How can you afford an internet connection after you've spent all your money on really good drugs?

      --
      Linux, you magnificent bastard, I read the fucking manual!
    8. Re:What about GitHub? by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Brendan Eich has no relation to GitHub. The donation records should not have been made public (if you are unsure why, consider that the Supreme Court ruled they should not be public during the days of Jim Crow when some southerners were trying to discover the donors to the NAACP).

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    9. Re:What about GitHub? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would have thought the drugs were really bad, personally.

    10. Re:What about GitHub? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      He didn't lose his job for his beliefs, he lost his job because he was the head of a huge non-profit and it transpired he was duplicitous and had no integrity.

      What you see as "duplicitous and without integrity", I see as professionalism and putting company values before their own personal beliefs. Isn't that exactly how a CEO should act?

      Also, the donation was in 2008; the Mozilla announcement was in 2014.
      Similarly, in 2008 President Obama was decidedly against gay marriage being legal. By 2012 he was a strong advocate of the idea.

      Are people not allowed to grow, change, and mature?
      If you're exactly the same person you were four or six years ago, with the same beliefs, motivations, and priorities, then I pity you.

    11. Re:What about GitHub? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Tell that to Brendan Eich.

      Not really seeing the problem there. First amendment and all that. Mr Eich is free to support whoever he likes. His employees are free to resign and make a fuss about working for someone they don't like. He had a choice: stick to his job or lose employees, and he chose the former. No one got arrested, no one got disappeared.

      It seems odd to me that the so-called "free speech advocates" seem to actually only support "offensive" speech and appear to find quite normal free speech rather objectionable. The flip side of offensive speech is one gets to call the offenders out as wankers.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    12. Re:What about GitHub? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He should have got a Nobler Prize just like that Kenyan guy who was also against giving LGBT people their constitutional rights.

    13. Re:What about GitHub? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      The kids complaining about GitHub are the ones that are complaining about Reddit going down. Eh. There are other sites out there. Git was designed to be distributed.

      This is the SJW/Brianna Wu/FreeBSD Girl twitter shit spilling onto Slashdot.

    14. Re:What about GitHub? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Brendan Eich exercised his free speech rights.

      Others exercised their free speech rights.

      Nobody went to jail and nobody got fired.

    15. Re: What about GitHub? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like COMINTERN now wants to perform "coding". They smell the money. Easy money they think of course. Communists all think that wealth comes from stealing, not from being a master in what you do.

      Well, more reasons to operate submarine-style. Let all the commies fuck up the hipster projects and the hipster corporations.

      Commies don't have original thoughts - all they do is to regurgitate the shite by Karl Marx and other operatives of London and Kaiser Wilhelm. Quite impressive how one can brainfruck entire nations. Wilhelm was a genius ! Fucking Russia not with weapons but with evil ideas.

    16. Re: What about GitHub? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You refer to the NoBull(shit) prize handed out to the guy who made sleep deprivation an accepted technique of U.S. law enforcement ?

      Yeah, Norway is a place of rottenness, if you wanted to say that. Rich, rotten, corrupt, cowards.

    17. Re: What about GitHub? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Real engineers know the concept of camouflage and stealth. Do you need to have your name attached to a project ? That usually serves only as big fat targeting crosshairs for whoever wants to sabotage your work. And the governments are just one party in this game. Large corporations have their shitforces which rival the government's forces.

      So, operate like a long range recon soldier and you will be effective.

  12. I disagree with your assessment by StevenMaurer · · Score: 1

    Openness means freedom to speak your mind, to share things that would otherwise be not shared, and to know things you don't specifically need to know.. This includes sharing information that is otherwise confidential, at least to people outside the company. But to do that, you need to be assured that people won't spread information with which they've been entrusted to people outside the circle of trust. It's not just social, either. Sometimes sharing things outside a company has financial or legal consequences to the company itself. So if he has someone who is giving confidential business strategy away to potential rivals, then he won't be able to share things he otherwise would.

    Zuckerberg isn't being unreasonable here.

    1. Re:I disagree with your assessment by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Sometimes sharing things outside a company has financial or legal consequences to the company itself.

      Insider trading information can't be shared within the company, either (except to designated insiders).

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    2. Re:I disagree with your assessment by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      there is no company ever that has been run on openness and transparency. anything that is "open and transparent" is inconsequential and shallow

      secrets and politics is absolutely essential to running a company. any hierarchical organization of humans. it is the only way to get anything done. a social structure that is formless and free is a confusing mess of overlapping chatter. the natural inclination is to squelch most of it. to get some fucking work done: "only let me know what i need to know so i can focus"

      sure, within a clique or level of management there might be a publicly stated policy of openness and transparency: amongst a few employees of equal rank and interest. even then, secrets and politics amongst the equals continues while empty lipservice is paid to the policy. welcome to the humanity

      openness and transparency does have a place: in communicating with clients and customers. openness and transparency applies to an attitude towards external communications, and it is a positive one when adhered to as much as possible. meanwhile internal communications is a series of walls and shifting allegiances. it has to be. nothing can get done when no one can focus

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    3. Re:I disagree with your assessment by AuMatar · · Score: 2

      Unless the entire company is designated as insiders and restricted to trading windows. Which I've seen several times.

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    4. Re:I disagree with your assessment by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Insider trading information can't be shared within the company, either (except to designated insiders).

      That's false. I'll agree many places operate that way, to keep liability lower, but that's a corporate policy, not law.

  13. What was leaked? by harryjohnston · · Score: 2

    So, what information was leaked? Seems like a fairly relevant point, odd that it wasn't mentioned.

    1. Re:What was leaked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was wondering that too. But my guess is that this is an older leak and it was only now constructed into a story the CIO told at the conference.

  14. Mobbing and agitprop is "culture"? by denzacar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1) The Power of Culture: "At Facebook, culture is everything and it's an incredible timesaver," Campos said. Culture allows Facebook to cut through bureaucracy, he said. Among the ways Facebook emphasizes its culture is through its now well-known posters that say things like: "Fail harder;" "Move fast and break things;" and, "What would you do if you weren't afraid?"

    Facebook also reinforces its culture through storytelling, like the "will you resign" email example he shared with the audience. "It was an incredibly powerful message," Campos explained. "Everybody at the company read this email and had the exact same takeaway and perspective that I did, they all thought it was immediately addressed to them. And it was striking as a result of that. And they never forgot it. And we keep talking about it - we talk about how do we handle confidential information in the company. The 'will you resign' email is quite famous." There are a ton of stories like this that Facebook uses to reinforce key culture points that prevent the creation of unnecessary steering committees and advisory boards, Campos said.

    Posters he's describing are pure propaganda, all basically shouting "WORK HARDER AND MORE!", while those mass "Your job is insecure" emails are nothing but mobbing.

    If that's culture, it's nothing but culture of fear.
    Ah well... someone has to keep getting stress-related heart attacks, strokes and cancers I guess.

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    1. Re:Mobbing and agitprop is "culture"? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      "Your job is insecure" emails are nothing but mobbing.

      What does "mobbing" mean in this context?

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    2. Re:Mobbing and agitprop is "culture"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That, I believe, is the question of the century.

    3. Re:Mobbing and agitprop is "culture"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer the posters at http://despair.com/collections/demotivators

    4. Re:Mobbing and agitprop is "culture"? by lucm · · Score: 1

      Posters he's describing are pure propaganda, all basically shouting "WORK HARDER AND MORE!"

      Work harder... doing what? Facebook has 10,000 employees. What are those people doing all day? The guy wrote the first version working part-time while he was at school. Of course they have improved it, I know they got all fancy with their php jvm and nosql database and whatnot. But still... 10,000 people?

      Tesla has about the same number of employees and they design, build, sell and service futuristic electric cars that accelerate faster than a Formula One racing car.

      Wtf.

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    5. Re:Mobbing and agitprop is "culture"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In norwegian, mobbing means bullying... Maybe GP is norwegian?

    6. Re:Mobbing and agitprop is "culture"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Also in Swedish, well technically it's only the kind of bullying that a group does (hence the mob part). But in everyday speak it's used for bullying.

    7. Re:Mobbing and agitprop is "culture"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Liaise with the NSA.

    8. Re:Mobbing and agitprop is "culture"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats a nice job you have there buddy boy, it would be a shame if something happened to it, eh buddy boy ?

    9. Re:Mobbing and agitprop is "culture"? by Dog-Cow · · Score: 0

      Better stupid and lazy than an asshole like you.

    10. Re:Mobbing and agitprop is "culture"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I write firmware, and have an electrical engineering background. I appreciate the incredible job Musk has done with Tesla and recognize how great a car he's built. In earnest however, I'd have an easier time managing the design of something like that than the (presumably monumental) codebase that facebook has by now. People tend to forget how complicated software ends up being because there's nothing to show for it. There are years and years of work in the underlying systems of the world wide web. Facebook has improved some of those, come up with new ones, and built an unbelievably large app on top of them.

      In the end though, I'd imagine a lot of people at both companies are doing a lot of nothing. In the auto industry you typically have a team of engineers working on a disc brake for an entire year, only for it to end up nearly identical to every other disc braking system in existence. The bigger the company and more refined the product, the more time and effort it takes to make even a minor change.

    11. Re:Mobbing and agitprop is "culture"? by radish · · Score: 1

      Tesla has about the same number of employees and they design, build, sell and service futuristic electric cars that accelerate faster than a Formula One racing car.

      First off, no they don't. The Tesla has a 0-60 of 2.8s, an F1 car does 2s or lower. You may be confusing "an F1 race car" with "the McLaren F1" which is a production road car and which Tesla stated they wanted to equal in performance.

      To your main point, organizations tend to grow non-linearly in my experience. As you add more of your "primary" employee types, you need more and more support staff. As you get more clients you need more sales people to support them, more finance people to handle the money, and so on. It explodes. As well as that natural growth a company like Facebook has a huge pressure to be innovating and coming up withe next $billion idea - and with the amount of cash they have throwing people at the problem is easy. So a lot of those people are probably working on secret stuff that may never see the light of day and may only be tangentially related to their core business - a lot like Google and to a lesser extent Apple/Microsoft.

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    12. Re:Mobbing and agitprop is "culture"? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I'm stupid and lazy

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  15. Did you just pull the wool over your own eyes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    some of those secrets are necessary

    The system, and indeed our entire culture, is rigged to protect the interests of the powerful.

    1. Re:Did you just pull the wool over your own eyes? by circletimessquare · · Score: 1

      if you are a cynic, and a slave, yes

      to the extent that what you said is not true, is to the same extent the number of people with enough heart and enough backbone to believe and do otherwise

      so grow a fucking backbone

      the world is improving. progress is real. slowed down and held back not by those with malicious intent- those assholes always exist, but by people like you. the most amazing thing to me is people like you. people who willingly and openly bend over and accept their malice as your reality. fucking pathetic, weak, contemptible worms

      that's all you and your words mean to me

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    2. Re:Did you just pull the wool over your own eyes? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      You say all those nasty things about people, and then you turn around and vote them into high office and buy their products... How does that work? It certainly appears you are the one bending over and projecting that onto everyone else. In fact, that is exactly what is happening.

      And my dear! What is up with all that swearing and talking down to everybody? Are you really such a superior being? Believe me, you're no Don Rickles! Not even close!

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    3. Re:Did you just pull the wool over your own eyes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's because he's a piece of shit and he wants everyone else to be a piece of shit like him.

  16. What about Google or Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've never really seen the appeal of Facebook. So articles about Mark Zuckerberg being a great leader leave me puzzled. For that matter, I've never really seen the appeal of Apple computers or Microsoft Windows, Office, etc. So articles about Bill Gates and Steve Jobs also leave me puzzled.

    But I use Linux and Google all the time. And I like Taco Bell and Pizza Hut. We do occasionally get articles about Linus Torvald's leadership style. But what about Larry Page or David C. Noval (CEO of YUM! Brands)?

    There are lots of successful companies out there in the world. And many of them do much more important things (IMHO) than Facebook. And many of them have CEOs whose management style isn't so eccentric. So why are Zuckerberg and Jobs the ones who get held up as model CEOs?

    1. Re:What about Google or Linux? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      So why are Zuckerberg and Jobs the ones who get held up as model CEOs?

      The answer to nearly every question of that form is: PAGE VIEWS.

      When people actually care about becoming a better CEO (for example, at an MBA school), they do case studies of plenty of little-known CEOs, good and bad.

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  17. *Boop* Reply To All by Greyfox · · Score: 1

    It'd be funny, if everyone did.

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  18. Protip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never ask a woman if she is breaking up with you.

    1. Re:Protip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The answer is yes, she's breaking up with you and taking all your money.

    2. Re:Protip by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      ...taking all your money that she knows of.

      Always sandbag at least one raise for your own uses.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    3. Re: Protip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you step back and think about your statement, you can see how all the communism has transformed western culture into a Sodom an Gomorrea.

      If man and woman cannot have a family and kids, the nation, the populace is doomed.

      Darwin has figured the Mohammedics are smarter than the Anglos and all their vasalls. Game over.

  19. Fuckwit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The power to sap the morale out of your staff by making them feel like shit!

    Anything you get out of an email like this is vastly outweighed by what you lose. This kind of bullshit is probably why the employee would have been happy to leak the information..."Those bastards don't give a flying fuck about me so I'll sell them out in a heartbeat. Fuck 'em!"

  20. Culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The takeaway from this story is that Facebook uses email for the important stuff, not Facebook messages.

  21. So... by bytesex · · Score: 1

    Did they find the guy who leaked the information?

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    1. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it was mark himself?...

      or nothing at all...

      he sent out the email to see how many (other) employees he'll catch in his trap (i.e. they resign) that did divulge information that he didn't yet know about.

    2. Re:So... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      I doubt he read replies to it even.

      ten thousand messages with title "why?" sitting in his inbox. in his email address he doesn't use anyways.

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    3. Re:So... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess I would have been fired first then Mine would have been please hold as your requsting me to resign Im consulting my lawyer on that issue.

  22. why would facebook even try to be a good company? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have no real competition so I doubt there is something important to learn from their strategies

  23. nice by cufarulcopiilor · · Score: 1

    nice

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  24. Tells you something about the culture there by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the CIO, a rather high ranking C-Suite officer, is afraid to open a mail from his CEO talking about resignation, something is amiss. If a C-Level pretty much expects to be laid off by email instead of a more personal way of communication something is VERY, VERY wrong in a company.

    Don't get me wrong, being laid off by email is common for lower ranks in huge, "faceless" corporations. I never experienced it on this level, though. We're talking about a handful of people per company. It's not like there are a dozen CIOs littering the top floor. Even a company like Facebook will hardly employ hundreds of C-Levels. These people KNOW each other. Personally. They have meetings. They organize and coordinate strategies. Depending on the company they even know each other on a rather personal level, down to their family status and whether the kids have the flu.

    If such a person expects to be fired by email, this does not speak kindly of the prevailing corporate culture.

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    1. Re:Tells you something about the culture there by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      If such a person expects to be fired by email, this does not speak kindly of the prevailing corporate culture.

      Both Mark Zuckerberg and Tim Campos are millenials - their standards for such things are very different from anyone over 40.

    2. Re:Tells you something about the culture there by jittles · · Score: 1

      If such a person expects to be fired by email, this does not speak kindly of the prevailing corporate culture.

      Both Mark Zuckerberg and Tim Campos are millenials - their standards for such things are very different from anyone over 40.

      Sorry are you saying they lack social skills completely? I'm not that much older than Zuck and I can tell you right now that I would not consider it acceptable to ask for someone to resign or to fire them by email. Have I resigned by email? Yes. Twice. But that is a little bit different. The resignation should be in writing so that all parties should clearly know and have something they can point back to during the termination process. Even the lowliest of employees should be told in person that they are being let go, or told that they need to change or resign their position. Such things do need to be documented, but it is far more compassionate to tell them face to face. It's like breaking up with a significant other over facebook or text message. It's cruel.

    3. Re:Tells you something about the culture there by quantaman · · Score: 1

      If the CIO, a rather high ranking C-Suite officer, is afraid to open a mail from his CEO talking about resignation, something is amiss. If a C-Level pretty much expects to be laid off by email instead of a more personal way of communication something is VERY, VERY wrong in a company.

      I don't think it's evidence of that. The subject line was "Will You Resign?", I think anyone would be freaked out if they saw that email from their immediate superior, especially if they were in a position where resignations are the typical form of firing, all it really says is Zuckerberg is either oblivious or a bit of an asshole.

      Don't get me wrong, being laid off by email is common for lower ranks in huge, "faceless" corporations.

      Is it? That sounds pretty screwed up, everyone should have a manager whom they deal with personally, they should be able to convey the news in person (or phone call for a remote worker) regardless of rank.

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    4. Re:Tells you something about the culture there by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Sorry are you saying they lack social skills completely?

      It may seem that way if you're judging them out of context, yes.
       

      I'm not that much older than Zuck and I can tell you right now that I would not consider it acceptable to ask for someone to resign or to fire them by email.

      I hate to break it to you, but you're one person - and trying to draw a curve through a point comprised of a single piece of anecdata is abysmally stupid. Millennials and digital natives have (as a group) somewhat different social expectations and mores than the cohorts the preceded them, this is well known and widely established.

    5. Re:Tells you something about the culture there by jittles · · Score: 1

      Sorry are you saying they lack social skills completely?

      It may seem that way if you're judging them out of context, yes.

      I'm not that much older than Zuck and I can tell you right now that I would not consider it acceptable to ask for someone to resign or to fire them by email.

      I hate to break it to you, but you're one person - and trying to draw a curve through a point comprised of a single piece of anecdata is abysmally stupid. Millennials and digital natives have (as a group) somewhat different social expectations and mores than the cohorts the preceded them, this is well known and widely established.

      Define digital native, if you please. The only difference their 'digital nativity' and mine is that I did not grow up with SMS and cell phones. That was not until my college years and their high school years. Claiming that they grew up nursing on the teat of technology does not change social norms, all of the sudden.

    6. Re:Tells you something about the culture there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't tell me nearly as much about the culture as it does about Campos. Sounds like a massive coward.

    7. Re:Tells you something about the culture there by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So the heads of the largest social media page lack any semblance of social skills?

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  25. if I saw some shitty native ad pass for an email by 0xdeaddead · · Score: 1

    like this cross my desk, sure I'd quit.

    Let FB plummit, it's nickle stock, completely overvalued.

  26. Try "workplace harassement". by denzacar · · Score: 1

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    In the workplace
    Main article: Workplace bullying

    British anti-bully researchers Andrea Adams and Tim Field have used the expression "workplace bullying" instead of what Leymann called "mobbing" in a workplace context. They identify mobbing as a particular type of bullying that is not as apparent as most, defining it as "an emotional assault. It begins when an individual becomes the target of disrespectful and harmful behavior. Through innuendo, rumors, and public discrediting, a hostile environment is created in which one individual gathers others to willingly, or unwillingly, participate in continuous malevolent actions to force a person out of the workplace."[3]

    Adams and Field believe that mobbing is typically found in work environments that have poorly organised production or working methods and incapable or inattentive management and that mobbing victims are usually "exceptional individuals who demonstrated intelligence, competence, creativity, integrity, accomplishment and dedication".[3]

    Shallcross, Ramsay and Barker consider workplace "mobbing" to be a generally unfamiliar term in some English speaking countries. Some researchers claim that mobbing is simply another name for bullying. Workplace mobbing can be considered as a "virus" or a "cancer" that spreads throughout the workplace via gossip, rumour and unfounded accusations. It is a deliberate attempt to force a person out of their workplace by humiliation, general harassment, emotional abuse and/or terror. Mobbing can be described as being "ganged up on." Mobbing is executed by a leader (who can be a manager, a co-worker, or a subordinate). The leader then rallies others into a systematic and frequent "mob-like" behaviour toward the victim.[4]

    Psychological and health effects

    Victims of workplace mobbing frequently suffer from: adjustment disorders, somatic symptoms (e.g., headaches or irritable bowel syndrome), psychological trauma, post-traumatic stress disorder and major depression.[5]

    In mobbing targets with PTSD, Leymann notes that the "mental effects were fully comparable with PTSD from war or prison camp experiences. Some patients may develop alcoholism or other substance abuse disorders. Family relationships routinely suffer. Some targets may even develop brief psychotic episodes, generally with paranoid symptoms. Leymann estimated that 15% of suicides in Sweden could be directly attributed to workplace mobbing.[5]

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    1. Re:Try "workplace harassement". by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      thx

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  27. I know your mom is, but what am I? by Hognoxious · · Score: 0

    Does your gran know you're potty-mouthing with her slashdot account?

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  28. Mark finally had the nerve to pop the question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And here's my answer:

    YES!!!

    I look forward to spending the rest of my life making the two of us happy, as far away from each other as possible!

  29. Data driven decisions? by plopez · · Score: 1

    Isn't that how decisions should be made? Why is that it seems to be such a big deal?

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  30. Jerk by paiute · · Score: 1

    Only an asshole of a CEO would send out an email with that address line.

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  31. Management 101 by tompaulco · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If you have a group of people, and one of them does something wrong, you address the issue with the person who did something wrong. If you send an e-mail out to the entire group, then the person who did something wrong will think it is directed at someone else, and everyone else will think it is directed at them. This is one of the very first things you learn as a manager. You absolutely do not reprimand by group. You reprimand individually. You praise publicly. If you can't understand that, or disagree, then you need to be removed from your position of authority.

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    1. Re:Management 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i have no proof that whatever you learnt as a manager works, but one thing I have learnt is that people like you with glib advice are part of the reason why many organisations are poorly run.

      in anything you are doing, stick to the facts and reinforce goals. if there is a problem, focus on resolving it and immediately thereafter review what went wrong and ask the group if a control is needed.

      there are no individuals, just roles within an organisation that has to function regardless of how you and your special little team of challenged snowflakes feel.

    2. Re: Management 101 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Navy Seals disagree

  32. I don't always live at work... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't always live at work, but when I do I live in fear.

  33. Some background please? by nikhilhs · · Score: 1

    What was leaked? Does anyone have the full text of the e-mail?

  34. Re: Will you resign? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mark,

    No. Will you?

    Best,
    F. Uckoff

  35. Re: Will you resign? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most people are conditioned to cower in front of their boss or superior officer. At least in anglo controlled nations.

    More egalitarian countries like Switzerland are badmouthed on a regular basis in anglo controlled nations, because our corrupt elite hates the plebs to actually have a say in decisionmaking.

    I can see the badmouthing here all the time. And I know Switzerland is a great nation because I visited them and I can understand them. All they say appears natural to me, while all the media in my country is full of insane bullshit and lies.

    Also, I wait for the day the axis of evil will invade Switzerland to smoke out this "dangerous" island of freedom.

  36. Culture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The author of the linked article pines about the culture at Facebook. Pure in simple the "Will you resign" was and attempt to silence dissent and rally the good little storm troopers at Facebook to get co-workers "in line.

  37. Globalization by NewYork · · Score: 1

    Corporates are giant ponzi/pyramid scams in globalization;

  38. Where's the Email? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd like to read it and decide for myself what it sounds like.