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Donald Trump Thinks Going To Mars Would Be "Wonderful" But There Is a Catch
MarkWhittington writes: Donald Trump, the mercurial real estate tycoon and media personality who, much to the surprise of one and all, has become the front-runner for the Republican nomination for president opened his mind just a little about his attitude toward space exploration, according to a story in Forbes. In an answer to a question put to him about sending humans to Mars, the current focus at NASA, Trump said, "Honestly, I think it's wonderful; I want to rebuild our infrastructure first, ok? I think it's wonderful." In other words, dreams of going to Mars must take a back seat to more Earthly concerns. It is not an answer many space exploration supporters want to hear.
Many people would like to see Donald Trump go to Mars.
But the Martians would probably consider him to be an illegal alien and might expect us to pay to put up a wall to keep him out.
We spend next to nothing on space exploration. The tons of waste and needless pork projects in government needs to go first. If trump is half as capable at business as he claims then there should be plenty of surplus to do both without cutting funding or raising taxes.
Don't worry. When it comes time for the Florida primary, he (along with every other candidate) will be competing to come up with the most amazing program ever. After the primary, it will be forgotten until the next election.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
Someone should summarize Gerard K. O'Neills " The high Frontier" for this guy - and other candidates.
It's be interesting if any of them really get it and agree with the core concepts
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Sure, we're doomed here, global warming and all that bs... and colonization/terraforming is a while away from now, so we should deal with our crap at home then think about getting off this stinking rock.
Buck Feta. You know what to do.
But it is one of the most reasonable things that he has said recently.
Argh. The laws of science be a harsh mistress.
He's 100% right. The money the spent on a Mars trip would be better served fixing our crumbling infrastructure. What's the point of sending humans to mars when people die from bad roads and failing bridges everyday?
Of course the same could be said about throwing trillions at the F-35.
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> In other words, dreams of going to Mars must take a back seat to more Earthly concerns. It is not an answer many space exploration supporters want to hear.
That sounds perfectly sane. Sending people to Mars now, is a waste of resources. We send probes, probes tell us basically what we already know (its slightly less inhospitable than say...Venus) and we learn some new details about the inhospitable conditions. Artificial Intelligence or Genetically Engineered creatures to send to Mars is a much more efficient approach. Let's get that working on Earth, first and we can talk about the myriad of inhospitable places that open up. That's very long term thinking, which is part of what space exploration is about. I don't think Trump supposes to know anything about long term technological viability. He just happens to be on the right side of this.
Often wrong but never in doubt.
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Reality TV star Donald Trump advising us on space exploration...who could possibly object to that?
He could hardly do worse than Congress, with its insane, unaffordable Porklauncher.
Besides, there's no way in hell the US government is going to be funding a trillion dollar NASA trip to Mars. The first people there will be tourists flying on their own dime, at vastly lower cost.
The funny part is that he thinks modern America has the ability to fix its broken infrastructure. Things that could be built in months a century ago would take a decade or more of environmental studies before anyone even started work, and a decade more to build.
The cost a Mars mission versus the cost of building an iron-curtain style wall from San Diego to Corpus Christi
In all honesty, at 41 years old, I think I'll be long dead before either is a reality.
Let's stop spending money on unnecessary wars and rebuilding other nations to fix our crumbling infrastructure at home. A little consistent funding for NASA wouldn't hurt either.
He fits into the republican party better than any of them. And he's a good exposé of what the general population also feels, for what that is worth, seeing as he could actually win! I hope people are just trolling the idiot media pollsters the same way Trump is trolling the election.
Ah well, I still think going to Mars without doing the moon first is kinda dumb. It's like climbing Mt. Everest with the base camp in New York City.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
You lost me at "Donald Trump Thinks ..."
At least not in any meaningful way. Forget about colonization in any way that allows many people that want to leave for at least a century. It is also quite possible that the colonization of America will remain an unique event, and nothing even remotely similar will be happening again, ever.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
much to the surprise of one and all, has become the front-runner for the Republican nomination for president
It doesn't surprise me at all that Trump is in the lead. He represents everything that the republicans keep saying they want. Now they have it and they don't know how to get rid of it.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Repairing existing infrastructure is not likely to need significant environmental impact studies, as the existing presence of the decaying infrastructure has already made its impact on the environment.
Honestly, the biggest problem is financial cost.
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
The limitation is not financial. Space exploration isn't expensive compared to other large infrastructure projects. Space exploration is very difficult and really exciting to work on. Given the opportunity, it could suck the attention and political talent away from domestic infrastructure projects.
In the upper levels of the government, there are a handful of roles from which a person can realistically manage the combination of congressional and bureaucratic oversight necessary to get "large" things done. If we're going to Mars, the director of NASA needs to be a superstar with a ton of facetime with Congress. That person can be the "visionary" science expert in Washington, or the "establishment" expert in Washington, but he can't "just" be a good administrator.
Chuck Bolden is a great guy, but he's not calling up his personal friends in the VC community like Arati Prabhakar (DARPA director and current "visionary" expert) or playing a key role in high stakes international diplomacy like Ernest Moniz (Sectretary of Energy and current "establishment" expert). Both of those administrators specialize in military related work. As long as the focus in Congress (and the media) is defense, it's going to be hard to break into that scientific leadership role focusing on anything but defense.
space exploration returns next to nothing, its basic economics
The problem with statements like this is that "basic economics" is not always correct. It is a model, and like all models, it is incredibly helpful at helping us understand things and make predictions, but it doesn't always reflect reality. Most economists didn't predict the debt bubbles and economic issues of the past decade, for example.
In any case, let me illustrate why it's actually a great thing to do space exploration, even when other things need done too (nothing is mutually exclusive):
There's probably even more arguments than this but here's for starters. We absolutely need to focus on our national infrastructure, our educational system and student debt, and other issues (shameless plug for Bernie Sanders goes here, as he's the only candidate really talking about all of these things), but I don't think any of that work says you can't also spend on science at the same time. In fact, I think it's a necessity.
The Earth is flat, and Mars is a light on the firmament. We cannot "go there". His priorities seem to align with common sense.
See Parallax's "Earth not a Globe": http://www.sacred-texts.com/ea...; also Youtube channels for Eric Dubay, Mark Sargent, Matt Boylan, Jeranism, and others.
The truth is getting out. Great to see Trump aligning with it, even if he isn't directly stating it.
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
You seriously underestimate the ability of government to stick its nose in no matter what.
Just ask the people in Colorado how they like their new Arsenic flavored water
Honestly, the biggest problem is financial cost.
There's plenty of cash hogtied up in the derivatives markets. And there is over 4.5 trillion in "excess reserves". Personally, I'd rather see it used for California desalination plants, but whatever. Like the water itself, the money is just not where we need it. It is being used to fix the toilet on somebody's yacht.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Since a trip within the solar system including Mars is not an "interstellar" one, perhaps your level of ignorance is on the order of your pickles and Trump might be wiser than you
More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas.
Seems reasonable.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
So you're saying the jar of pickles in your refrigerator is a billionaire real estate developer?
Honestly, the biggest problem is the lack of political will and the required cutback in pork and military spending.
You are entirely neglecting the fact that the reason the toxins are there is from mining by a private corporation that never cleaned up its mess. But EPA bad, corporation good, right?
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“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Hate to say it but seems like 80% of what he proposes actually makes sense. As opposed to the 20% of what the other candidates say.
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The guys who can't hold their arsenic are looking a bit ill, but for us folks who grew up in the 70's with mercury, asbestos and lead paint (You know, before the Republicans invented the EPA and ruined everything) it's just like old times! Hey, at least they're not raining radioactive fallout down on us like they did in the 60's!
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
He did have a plan. Says it clearly couldn't work now. It doesn't seem like a very Republican platform, to be sure. Of course, at the moment, he seems to be doing more to advance the chances of a Democratic candidate than Hillary is. Seems like every time he opens his Trump hole, another 4-5% of the country decides they want to vote Democrat.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Don't forget the inevitable objections of the NIMBYs and BANANAs.
it's mostly the military and keeping old folks alive (Social Security + Medicare). After that there's some money for foreign aid (Israel especially) and some money for the Interstate Highways.
I know a billion dollars sounds like a lot of money, but to a nation it's not. Trump won't be able to solve our problems without raising taxes because to really fix our infrastructure problems would require rolling back the tax cuts and loopholes we've been doling out to the 1% since Regan. There's a reason why our countries best years were when we had a 90% top marginal rate.
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they're competing to see who scores the most points with the billionaires that actually decide who our candidates will be (google "Sheldon Primary"). You didn't think we had a democracy, did you? Whada ya think this is, Canada?
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So how does this work again? The Republicans have got all these potential candidates, and one of them will get elected to officially run for President by regular joe party members?
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
I'm sorry--you think that the Trumpalicious One is revealing a single thing that is off of his script? Oooookay. . .
If ever a man's hairstyle told you absolutely all you needed to know, that hairstyle was Trump's. A ridiculous bit of follicular folly that successfully underscores the naked scalp from which it attempts to distract.
It's Summer. Donald is Me First & the Gimme Gimmes filling air time before the real campaign begins.
Of course, I don't dispute that he could be a total false flag operation for Her Majesty, intended more as a wrecking ball than anything else.
I'll also cast a protest vote for him, should your buddies at GOP Central insist on nominating JEB.
Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
oh look, the propagandized retard knows rhetorical terms. unfortunately, the retard doesn't know what they mean or how to use them
you should have mindlessly regurgitated "strawman" into your comment too, just to spice things up and, you know, completely avoid actually fucking thinking about the actually valid point, like a good little propagandized retard
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
> To the contrary, I think he might actually be better than most at diplomacy -- he knows how to negotiate and strike deals, even or especially with people who are hard to deal with.
Yep, that's EXACTLY what he's very good at, negotiating deals. That's why his book is called The Art of the Deal.
I won't vote for him, but I will acknowledge what his strengths are. He figures out what the other side ACTUALLY wants and what he actually wants, and comes up with a way for both sides to get most of the what they want. He _might_ help negotiate through the gridlock in Congress by proposing or supporting bills which allow most people to achieve their ends.
I say "what they ACTUALLY want" because most of the time, what people ask for isn't what they actually want. Software developers understand that. Somebody might propose a ban on SUVs when they want cleaner air, a foreign leader might make all sorts of demands when what they really want is to save face, to tell their constituents that they stood up to America. Trump's skill is to find a way to allow the foreign leader to declare victory while giving us what we want.
That said, I think his weakness is that he speaks too soon and too much, without first thinking about what he's going to say. I have a reputation which exceeds my actual skills and knowledge. The myth is that I know a LOT, that I almost always have the correct answer, that I'm virtually never wrong. The truth is that I simply keep my mouth shut when I don't know. It's not that I always have the right answer, it's that I don't often argue for an answer that's wrong. I shut up or just ask questions unless and until I have the right answer. Trump isn't like that.
Still nothing worth quoting
Let alone replying to.
He's a New York Real Estate Developer. That means he's experienced at corruption and getting things done and returns on investment. Of course he's not interested in going to Mars--there are no people there to build things. Now if you asked him if he wanted to build a space tourist hotel in orbit...
Animas... The river is called the Animas, which is in Colorado, not the Colorado..
Peace, babe!
P.S. Is this little trolling act of yours some part of a cheap movie script, or what? Well, scrap it and start over. It's totally unoriginal.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
what you want is respect. which you will not receive if you think and say things ridiculously out of connection with reality
companies will not spend extra money to protect the environment. unless forced to
they will happily pollute and avoid the consequences. because its cheaper
this is a fact of your reality
you can reject this fact, and thereby remain a propagandized retard people will just laugh at, or you can accept it and being to actually make sense in your opinions about topics you currently are nothing more than a joke in
choose
but if you continue to believe in moronic things, you will be called a moron. not a baseless insult, an objective truth, to have the retarded opinion you do. and thus, you will not receive the respect you think you deserve, but currently you do not. because you're DUMB
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
How's the colonization of America an unique event? People walked across the Bering land bridge when they had the chance just like they walked into Europe and Asia. They may have had boats as well like the people who colonized Australia probably did and the people who colonized many islands definitely did.
Now an unique event would be colonizing Antarctica, something much easier then Mars but still needing quite a bit of technology beyond fire, canoes and spears
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
He's not going to be the GOP candidate, and a GOP candidate isn't going to get elected, either, because they're all extremist whack-jobs one way or another. Not that Hilary or any other potential Democrat candidate is really any better; in fact there are no candidates from any party that are worth a damn.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
1. The colonists did know where they were gong when they went to colonize America
2. It was mass-scale and used to get away from where they were before
3. The distance involved was large and the travel time comparatively small
But you could have seen that if you had stopped to think for a minute. I now predict you are going to further demonstrate your lack of understanding.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
what you want is respect. which you will not receive if you think and say things ridiculously out of connection with reality
I doubt anyone wants anything from you. I didn't bother to read the rest after that bit of wrong.
Why does it matter?
This thief isn't going to be President.
If he tries hard enough difficult questions are going to be asked about how he had millions after bankruptcy and who his friends are that protected him from the law.
If Trump was forced to pay back what he owes a homeless man would have more wealth.
Just ask China about that cadmium in the rice they shipped that went into Soylent.
Do you really want kids poisoned by milk additives and everything else that goes with a lack of environmental regulation?
You seem to be confusing the conquest of the new world with the original colonization by humanity. Something that was not unique as a similar story happened in Australia as well as various other places.
As we're talking about colonizing Mars, it is not really comparable to the Spanish, Portuguese, French, Dutch and English conquest of the Americas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
Seriously, I really expected something more from him than stock answer #202, namely "Yeah, I think $topic is a good idea but we should get our act together first".
This, ladies and gentlemen, is a non-answer from a politician. This answer fits any question, any topic, anything. That's neither a commitment nor a dismissal. It is, essentially, nothing.
*sigh* This campaign is going to be a long one if they already start with the empty statements in the primaries.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
You mean what happened directly because of the Chinese government and their crony capitalism ?
Mars is a great big, dry gravity well. We as a species are better off learning how to live in space. There are more resources between the Earth and Jupiter then we have access too currently.
Even with advanced propulsion, humans will have to learn to live in space. We are a long way from colonizing mars, it's such a pipe dream.
I agree that he hasn't articulated a cohesive, consistent set of beliefs which guide policy. So far, he seems more pragmatic, basing decisions on outcomes rather than principles (aka ideology) . Normally, I'd want a leader to have consistent principles, but with the current political situation someone who can stimulate and press negotiations in Congress may be as useful. Many in Congress have cohesive set of beliefs which make sense together, while across the aisle someone else has a conflicting set of principles. A paragmatic view of how to achieve the goals, apart from any particular idealogy, may be helpful right now.
> I suppose it's possible he could surround himself with the right policy experts (all Presidents ultimately do) but then who's policy is it?
Good presidents and leaders surround themselves with good people. Some sorround themselves with old buddies. Through his career Trump has sorrounded himself with effective people. I if he hires/appoints you to a high level position, you keep your job not by implementing a certain policy (such as strengthening or eliminating Common Core), but by getting good results, measurably good (such as actually improving US education ranking vs the rest of the world). In other words, he looks at the bottom line numbers, not HOW you did it, but HOW WELL you did it, by the numbers.
Of course, predictions about presidents are extremely difficult. George W Bush (junior) was known for facilitating compromise as governor of Texas. There was no gridlock, he got things done by getting lawmakers to come together and to compromise. Most people who knew anything about him thought he'd have at least that strength as president. Eh, no so much. Not beyond certain unifying events like 9-11. Obama was one of the most inspiring candidates in decades. I figured he might lead people down the wrong path, but he'd lead, he'd inspire the nation. Eh, not so much. So it's really hard to predict what a person will do as president.
Yes. The EPA is one of the things the USA has to get in the way of such a thing happening on their turf.
Doesn't it indicate that he's not willing to take responsibility for his own actions - also there is a lot more to it and others have gone to jail for less.
Except when it doesn't
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Yawn
keep yawning, and know yourself:
Illiterate much ?
So nothing is better than trying at all?
Should I mutter about the kids of today and getting off my lawn?
So nothing is better than trying at all?
Should I mutter about the kids of today and getting off my lawn?
Oh please stop trying to make seniors look bad. By now you should have learned doing things badly is worse than doing nothing.
By now you should have learned that dirty bathwater is no reason to throw out the baby.
But why do I bother when there are utter losers that want to throw out democracy and have "libertarian" warlords running the place who can pollute upstream as much as they want because they have bigger guns than the guys downstream?
Trump was lying about the rebuilding the infrastructure part too.
How does he plan on solving the problems of this earth?
Twinstiq, game news
"Honestly, I think it's wonderful; I want to rebuild our infrastructure first, ok? I think it's wonderful."
But there is a lot of sense in this. Obviously, both targets (going to Mars, fixing our infrastructure) need not be mutually exclusive. But we live with a significantly impaired political system where nobody funds anything unless it is a pet project that pours tax moolah into their districts. It takes a act of God/Cthulhu to get something on a bill.
And we really need to fix our infrastructure.
And that should be in our agenda first and foremost. If we can do the Mars thing as well, that is great. But we need to get infrastructure (along carbon footprint reduction) in our list first and foremost with everything else (even our precious dreams of space exploration) secondary.
Contrast that with some people who want to turn NASA into a community outreach program.
The problem with Trumps view is that there are ALWAYS going to be "earthly concerns" that can never be fixed which will soak up available funding. Of all people, he should know that a major space program creates a whole lot of ancillary business.
No, the issue is the environmental studies - remember the "shovel-ready jobs" Obama funded with hundreds of billions of (borrowed) dollars in his first term? It went from a job creation initiative to a punch-line on late-night TV in about a year. The issue there wasn't funding - funding is easy.
Ken
You seriously underestimate the ability of government to stick its nose in no matter what.
Just ask the people in Colorado how they like their new Arsenic flavored water
How conservative of you to blame the boy who tried to plug the dyke with his finger for it breaking, instead of the people who fucking did nothing for decades to stop the build-up of that huge waste water reservoir. Ignoring that the only reason the EPA workers were even there was because the mine was already leaching hundreds of gallons of that polluted water per minute.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Bet you also blame the Tianjin explosions on the firefighters.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Slamming the messenger instead of the message is a sure sign of your lack of a viable position.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us...
http://www.latimes.com/nation/...
Apparently, there was even a geologist who warned the EPA that their solution wasn't safe:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Stupid!
Nope but I will take fire inspectors for $200 alex
How conservative of you to blame the boy who tried to plug the dyke with his finger for it breaking, instead of the people who fucking did nothing for decades to stop the build-up of that huge waste water reservoir.
How lefty of you to think the bureaucrats are angels of light.
When the pasty-white folk arrived from Europe, there were no actual nations on the continent, only clusters of tribal stone-age barbarians who were so backward they did not, themselves, even know where they were. The "native Americans" had no fixed national boundaries, no formal governments, no written laws (therefore no immigration restriction laws), they did not even possess the wheel nor did they know how to ride horses (which got to the new world on the ships of Europeans).
You are, of course, ignoring the Iroquois Confederacy, which has in its system of governance enough similarities to the US Constitution to lead us to think that the US Founding Fathers were more inspired by the Iroquois system than they were in the monarchies and endless warfare of Europe.
How conservative of you to blame the boy who tried to plug the dyke with his finger for it breaking, instead of the people who fucking did nothing for decades to stop the build-up of that huge waste water reservoir.
How lefty of you to think the bureaucrats are angels of light.
How stupid of you to pretend to think. You obviously don't. Obvious to anyone who's even a little smarter than you, which would include microbes.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Quoting Breitbart now? You can't be... - oh , you are serious. Yeah, figures.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
How stupid of you to pretend to think. You obviously don't. Obvious to anyone who's even a little smarter than you, which would include microbes.
Oh how novel a lefty screaming and being insulting.
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So you totally ignore the first sentence of my post and try to discredit the messenger instead of the message. What we have here is a failure to communicate, instead you prefer to be partisan.
Are you calling NBCNews made up too?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
instead you prefer to be partisan.
Says the guy who quoted a site even Fox News look at funny.Look, it's already plain clear that the first part of "Crashmarik" properly describes his state of mind - better remain silent before somebody concludes you are also nuts.
The EPA may claim responsibility for the flooding happening now - but that would have happened anyway, today or in a year - simply proven by the fact that the pile of rubble holding it back was already leaking, which was the bloody reason the EPA was there to fix.
I repeat, in case you still didn't understand: the EPA did not put the arsenic and other poisonous material in the water, they merely released the water that was polluted by private enterprise, and not cared for properly. And it happened because quote "workers used a backhoe to hack at loose material". And idiot OP claims that that put arsenic in the water. As opposed to the actual putting of arsenic in the water. Get it now?
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
I quoted three sites. Just because one of them is partisan in your eyes changes nothing about what I was doing which was responding to this:
[dailycaller.com]
Stopped reading there.You clearly weren't even trying to build an argument, so arguing with you would be pointless.
Which is why I provided three sources of information, one of which was Breitbart quoting another guy that said he had warned the EPA that their construction wouldn't hold. Why is it that you complain about Breitbart without even addressing the argument? Because you have no information to refute the article.
I was also responding specifically to this:
A river that turned a troubling shade of orange after toxic waste was accidentally released into it a week ago is “restoring itself,” the country’s top environmental official said Thursday.
Hey apparently it's only when the government dumps toxins that nature can restore itself.
with more sources for the quote, but I guess maybe the EPA chief didn't really say that, and NBC, daily caller, and LA times are all making it up.
I am not at all (in case you somehow missed this) arguing anything. I am providing more citations because some AC moron thinks that it is ok to attack the source of the information, rather than the information which apparently was true.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
The corporate power structure is the closest thing to a dictatorship. Pick your leaders from there with unsurprising results.
This deserves an upmodding to 5. It's quite insightful. The difference between CEO and President are leagues apart -- they are not the same types of job at all.
So nothing is better than trying at all?
Should I mutter about the kids of today and getting off my lawn?
Oh please stop trying to make seniors look bad. By now you should have learned doing things badly is worse than doing nothing.
Maybe. But what if the total good outweighs the total bad? Don't get me wrong, the bad could be inexcusable and need to be fixed, but for every Colorado river disaster, how many other disasters have been prevented?
By now you should have learned that dirty bathwater is no reason to throw out the baby.
But why do I bother when there are utter losers that want to throw out democracy and have "libertarian" warlords running the place who can pollute upstream as much as they want because they have bigger guns than the guys downstream?
Mmmm, technically Libertarians would believe that this is one of the very few incidents where government intervention might be appropriate.
They're big on remuneration if the actions of one property owner befoul another owner's property. They're generally anti-government, but they're not wild-west types or anarchists.
Some of them are not but some of that wide and varied bunch that like to call themselves "Libertarians" are clearly anarchists that just like to sound of the word "Libertarian". Others, to put things bluntly, want to be the chosen nobles of an absolute monarch such that the rules apply to everyone apart from the chosen nobles. Many and varied branches good for a lot of laughs, as well as the few that are not so naive that they ignore the implications of what they preach - sadly either very rare or drowned out by the noise of opportunists, useful idiots (ironically ideologically similar to the anarchist Russian Black Army that the Reds used as cannon fodder) or just plain idiots.
The special case above of "libertarian" warlords is what Koch was pushing hard a few years ago. A dystopia where the rich can do what they want and rest are serfs that have to put up with those polluting upstream unless they are warlords with a lot of resources themselves.
That's what the legacy of George Washington etc is saving us from. Wanting to throw all that away seems somewhat extreme to me - counter-revolutionaries more than two hundred years too late that just do not understand the gift that they have been given.
BTW, you are aware that Breitbart is known for their faked news? They are just less funny than the Onion.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
So few words to prove you are a partisan moron who can't read. I gave three sources in response to a request for better sources, and you are such a partisan that you won't even bother to refute any of them, just complain about the validity of a SINGLE source. Does a single source being "bad" taint all the sources? Is NBC not as good because they say the same thing?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
You seem to be confusing the conquest of the new world with the original colonization by humanity
To some extent, the 15th/16th century migration really was a colonization of empty land -- disease had destroyed the majority of Native American cities; the settlers only got a real foothold in the New World when most of the villages they came across were empty. There was a fair amount of conquest, especially later, but diseases that the natives had little resistance to did most of the work, partially emptying a land that used to have more people in it than all of Europe combined.
So few words to prove you are a partisan moron who can't read. I gave three sources in response to a request for better sources,
It doesn't matter how many sources you gave, you gave one too many. That one proved you're a moron. I already wrote it in the first reply, and I wasted my time trying to find out if I was wrong. I wasn't.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
While disease made the conquest much easier, the conquest started before the diseases really took off and it just ended up being an ally.
Even if there were no natives, it is still nothing like colonizing Mars would be like and too many people equate the two.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
It seems that you are the moron here. You are judging information based on the source, not the content, therefore you are the one who can't see past a book's cover. I am giving plenty of information, you are the one too blind to see it.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
It seems that you are the moron here. You are judging information based on the source, not the content, therefore you are the one who can't see past a book's cover. I am giving plenty of information, you are the one too blind to see it.
No, I'm judging character based on source given. And when you like quoting a criminal liar, you are a moron - period.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.