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A Breakdown of the Windows 10 Privacy Policy
WheezyJoe writes: The Verge has a piece on Windows 10 privacy that presents actual passages from the EULA and privacy policy that suggest what the OS is capturing and sending back to Microsoft. The piece takes a Microsoft-friendly point of view, arguing that all Microsoft is doing is either helpful or already being done either by Google or older releases of Windows, and also touches on how to shut things off (which is also explained here). But the quoted passages from the EULA and the privacy policy are interesting to review, particularly if you look out for legal weasel words that are open to Microsoft's interpretation, such as "various types (of data)", diagnostic data "vital" to the operation of Windows (cannot be turned off), sharing personal data "as necessary" and "to protect the rights or property of Microsoft". And while their explanations following the quotes may attempt an overly friendly spin, the article may be right about one thing: "In all, only a handful of these new features, and the privacy concerns they bring, are actually in fact new... Most people have just been either unaware or just did not care of their existence in past operating systems and software." Even pirates are having privacy concerns and blocking Windows 10 users.
... you just don't "know" you like it? They did this promotion where they sat old people in front of vista machines asked them to derp around on it and then asked them if they liked it... they all said they did... and MS basically said "everyone saying they don't like vista is wrong/a troll/ignorant/etc"... remember that?
Well... same thing seems to be happening again. Consumers are saying "we have problems with these features and we'd like them fixed"... and MS is again saying "I hear you saying you don't want it but I think you're just saying you want me to tell you about how great they are again until you change your mind.
No.
https://youtu.be/dROwEc4VyJA?t...
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
"All your data are belong to us"
for the hate.
It's NOT FREE damnit, stop posting this nonsense.
Sent from Windows XP.
Posting anon for obvious reasons.
In a former life, there was some question about what and how far an org could go into customer data that was collected through remote telemetry or use of cloud services. A couple years ago, legal counsel informed us that we could capture, examine, and retain essentially any customer data, because any security-related review fell under the clauses about use of customer data for "enhancement of customer experience", to which the customer consented in the EULA. This is why some entities feel very free to capture any data they want from endpoint computers and effectively lie about it in marketing documents: because end-users consented to a free-for-all in the prior/overriding legal license.
Over on ARS Technica somebody suggested simply blocking Windows 10 from accessing your web site or other services, of which I think was a brilliant idea.
If enough sites do that, soon people would decide to switch to something else, like an older Windows or a Linux, or Apple.
Windows 10 Privacy = Oxymoron
All your base are belong to us.
Exactly how vital can they be if the fucking computer still works with no Internet connection?
If you're running automatic updates on 7 or 8 you already have the same "telemetry" components as well. Check for installation of 3035583, 2952664, 2976978, 3021917, 3044374, 2990214, 3022345, 3068708, all of which are windows 10 related components. It seems that the last two are the diagnostics/telemetry ones with the others having more questionable intent.
Microsoft describes these updates (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3068708) as honoring the CEIP choice and only doing the spying if the user has opted in. At least at this time however the server that microsoft identifies (vortex-win.data.microsoft.com) will have active connections even on machines where the CEIP choice was set to opt-out.
I'm sure once this gets some more media attention Microsoft will claim that they're storing the data just in case you change your mind, and that they wouldn't think of abusing it until then.
Reminds me of Nook updates:
"This update makes minor changes to the Nook operating environment"
Translation: We're not telling you what we messed around with. Oh look. It just hid all of your book files. Including the books that were explicitly licensed for them to sell without DRM.
Basically, I think Microsoft is simply trying to get as much early adopter as possible, get lots of bug reports and fix the bugs/exploits in a timely manner. That could seriously speed up the rate of companies willing to upgrade their computers from Windows 7.
And as always, if something's free, it means you're the merchandise here. I don't blame Microsoft trying to make a buck of your back, you're free to stay on your current Windows version or look for an alternative product that suits better your needs...
Over twenty years ago there was a FreeBSD-hacker with the following signature: "Do not trust an operating system you don't have sources for".
Though I was then a fresh FreeBSD convert myself, the maxim seemed a little too radical to me... Not any more.
If you absolutely must use Windows, get a stripped-down variant via a Russian or Chinese torrent (there are reputable ones, which will not infect you). If you don't want to rob Microsoft, send them a check... But best is to just get an OS, for which sources are also available.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
In June, MS shipped a bunch of now-infamous "Telemetry Services" updates to Windows 7 and Windows 8/8.1. I forget what the exact Knowledge Base numbers are, but you can find them pretty easily. These updates were marked as "Important" in Windows Update, and actually have the same general description of "This update fixes some bugs and improves security" that they use for all updates if viewed in the Add/Remove Programs window.
The "Telemetry Update" has been proven to send information to MS, and cannot be controlled short of uninstalling the update and force-stopping the associated services. I was told that the "update" collects all of your keyboard input and ships it to MS for use in "improving" their Auto-Correct and Word Suggestion features, and I have no reason to believe otherwise.
I had to turn off Windows Update entirely on both of my machines in order to stop MS trying to ship this update after I uninstalled it, because it kept trying to push the update even when I specifically said not to install it.
"This water is only one degree hotter now than a few minutes ago," said the frog to his companions.
Eh? Give them identifying info so I can get "Ads I can tolerate". That statement is irksome and just is a lame effort to justify an unprecedented trespass on user privacy.
Now, why is this so bad? Unlike TFA which is an obvious shill, it means that there is a lot of data stashed some place, and stashes of that much data are prime, juicy targets for hackers, data that users have no control over. Ashley Madison was reputed to be one of the most secure sites out there. Is MS more secure, especially with order of magnitudes of more data? Who knows, and why do I have to worry about MS's security with my data? For cloud stuff, I have an encryption layer. Not with the data MS phones home with.
As for W10, looks like it will go into a VM, behind a PFSense router with a lot of drop rules.
Microsoft, since its only product is software, has to go to great lengths to protect and extend that property base. "Extend" here is Googly data mining.
Apple, on the other hand, makes money by selling you the hardware. The protection is the physical ownership of the device. You might not believe Apple when it says "we don't want your personal information", but you have to respect that they're not depending on either data or software to make the great majority of their revenue.
This may not be a popular opinion, but I trust Microsoft more than Google, Apple -way more- than Microsoft, and the NSA more than any commercial company.
Windows 10 blocks torrent sites. Torrent sites block Windows 10. Torrent users install hacked Windows 10 installers. Its a sexy little game.
Remember when Longhorn reloaded was being developed? They could have gone to freenet or to the darkweb, or switched to an msi only installer. But they decided to shut down.
CLOT cabal of logged out trolls
The article seems to only be telling half the story about previous versions of Windows and about sending data "critical" to the operation of Windows.
A. The Customer Experience Program could be opted out of.
B. Windows 10 only sends data "critical" to the operation of the system in the "basic" telemetry setting. It's funny how you can disable it in enterprise. I guess it must not be so critical, huh? I don't care what they do with home versions, but I take issue with not being able to do this in Pro. An individual cannot buy Enterprise.
C. It's not fair to compare this to Google. Google provides their products free of charge. Despite Microsoft giving out a free update, Windows is not free. You can purchase a retail copy. I'm sorry to criticize your apologist article, Verge, but these are issues that affect the company I work for. I don't care what you do with your personal computer; the government doesn't regulate that.
No, I think his point is more like "Never look a gift horse in the mouth while its trying to mount you." Or something like that.
so, it is keylogging feature. Great ...
File this under "what could possibly go wrong"
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
My computer is not a phone. We need to lock down phones not open up desktops. Otherwise there is no point to encryption at all.
Swiss Pirate Party initiated an inquiry into Windows 10 privacy policy.
The end result of which (if it does not pass Swiss scrutiny) would be an official recommendation to prohibit purchase.
Two articles I found since yesterday that contradict statements in the summary:
* previous versions of Windows now spy on you becuase of recent MS updates: http://www.hakspek.com/securit...
* They still spy on you after you turn the "features" off: http://arstechnica.com/informa...
I'm not even interested in going over the details of what exactly is wrong with Microsoft's new plan to leverage their market power for greater control over the users. This is just the latest in a long line of abuses from every singly company that has ever gotten any market power in the industry.
Flash was pretty bad. People hated how slow and crashy it was. They demanded something else, so now we have DRM in the web browsers, with the CEO of Mozilla fired over some political contribution because he refused to play ball, and new HTML and Javascript tech that can force the videos into the webpages.
In retrospect, Flash was good for freedom, because it was Adobe's, and having Adobe fighting with Microsoft, Apple, and Google was better than putting Microsoft, Apple, and Google in control.
Users, make no mistake about this as companies and technologies come and go. Either you control your computer, or someone else does. IT's been this way since the '70s and '80s.
That someone else wants to control your computer to harvest your personal data and show you ads, to segment the market and force you to pay $$$ for the privilege of running third-party or your own programs, to force you to use their software and services for everything, store your documents in their formats, read your documents and insert ads or let the SJWs know what you wrote in a text message five years ago, and make it illegal to fix the systems you pay for.
That someone else has, at various times, been IBM, Microsoft, Apple, Google, and anyone else manufacturing computers or writing operating systems. They want control because lock-in gives them more revenue. The individuals at these companies like freedom, but they also like jobs, which are paid for with revenue.
The best they can do is post anonymous rants on Slashdot.
Microsoft gives Windows to Dell for free to install on their systems, since every Windows user is a potential Internet Explorer and Cortana / Bing user. Dell packages McAfee for free or maybe even for a small payment from McAfee; McAfee sells updates. McAfee is obnoxious, but maybe it's better for users than a Microsoft antivirus that would collect data about every single file on your system and tells Microsoft about them.
If the users can't figure out how to demand freedom or merely pit the companies against each other and get freedom in between them, the computing landscape will go from being one where anyone can write, run, share, and sell their own programs, to not only one where you, the user or third-party developer or backend programmer, must pay the manufacturer to write, run, share, or sell programs, but one in which writing your own software or modifying system settings on your own is almost unthinkable and seems scandalous.
Now no one can tell them how wrong they are.
No! This was explained over and over again, if you upgrade in the first year your Windows 7/8 key becomes a permanent Windows 10 key for that device. You won't have to install Windows 7/8 before installing Windows 10 again.
...if you upgrade in the first year your Windows 7/8 key becomes a permanent Windows 10 key for that device...
You mean: when you downgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10?
UPgrade, you moron. You upgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 7!
"Paranoia, paranoia everybody's coming to get me." Well, we could all stop buying and using Microsoft products. Or we could go on slash dot and leave snarky comments about how Microsoft watches us pee and sells our keystrokes to ISIS.
If you're running automatic updates on 7 or 8 you already have the same "telemetry" components as well.
No, I don't. You see, the great thing about still being on Windows 7 is that I'm not forced to install whatever user-hostile updates Microsoft deems necessary. So I didn't.
By the way, neither did a lot of other people. Many of the professionals I know have been "security updates only" for quite a long time, even on personal use machines rather than work ones. Plenty more joined the fold recently after the Win10 nag message update.
It frustrates me that the casual press keep repeating the dogma that the forced updates in Windows 10 are a good thing because security experts recommend applying all patches immediately or similar, as if Microsoft hasn't been pushing non-security updates for years.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
No, I think his point is more like "Never look a gift horse in the mouth while its trying to mount you." Or something like that.
Maybe the point was "never play leap-frog with a unicorn".
'It's okay, it's already being done by Google' is NOT reassuring! D:
All this talk about Windows made me rediscover Linux. Tried out latest Mint and was really pleasantly surprised by how well polished the thing is overall. Everything worked right from Live CD. Things that I could never get to work on Ubuntu even a year ago. Bluetooth speaker just connected, Android phone didn't make any components die a quiet death. Skype. All menus are reasonably laid out. Configurations work. Started being productive on it just after two hours of installation/configuration. Breath of fresh air.
uh... no. Dell buys Windows OEM licenses from Microsoft at five Dollars a pop, just like every other OEM. Trialware is the stuff that's bundled according to foregone deals with the likes of Symantec, McAffee, et. al., where the OEM doesn't take a cut of any license revenues but gets to use the trialware to sweeten the sale.
Sincerely,
A former OEM (95 O/SR2 to xp 2008 SP3).
Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel
Look under Settings/Privacy
There is a switch, which reads 'Send Microsoft info about how I write to help us improve typing and writing in the future'
This the collection of keystroke data. They can do anything they want with this. Definitely makes it even more creepy to log in to someplace else on a Windows 10 box.
Another thing which is standard practice is to list all kinds of serious and unlikely reasons they'll use your data, followed by 'or any other legal purpose' which does not mean for some 'legal' matter, which it's meant to sound like, but for ANY purpose which is not SPECIFICALLY ILLEGAL. Which means anything.
You can turn off the keystroke thing, but Microsoft routinely resets preferences, including privacy preferences, when you run an update. So you have to keep checking it and make sure it's off. However, I doubt very much if it matters. You're sending EVERYTHING to Microsoft and they can use it for any purpose.
Everytime you upgrade (or auto-patch, which you have no control of in Win10, at least for laptops and mobile) they will reset your privacy to "sell out to Microsoft all my deepest darkest info so they can monetize my life".
Even if this is illegal in the EU and Canada, because if you can throw legions of lawyers at it, you can't stop it.
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If you have a Windows 7 or 8 license which is not tied to the hardware, and upgrade to Windows 10, then you get a Windows 10 license, but only on that hardware. There is no way to get a "free" Windows 10 license to be used with hardware that you don't have before that year is over. You will still be able to install your Windows 7 on new hardware in 2017, but you won't be able to install Windows 10 "for free" on the same new hardware in 2017. The Windows 10 upgrade will leave you stranded without a license if you decide to replace your hardware after the free upgrade period is over.
... I've been swamped with questions from the Gentle User, and articles like this help to explain stuff without placing me in a position of having an axe to grind.
I have shared it out and people are eating it up.
Much appreciated.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
of the data sent over the network, showing that Windows records from your webcam, from your microphone, _everything_ you type on the keyboard, and an index of all movie files you have on your drives, and regularly sends all of this back to Microsoft. And there's no way of disabling this. Why isn't this brought up?
Move along, nothing to see here. Microsoft has been trying to get their hooks into everybody just like Google and Facebook. If people don't care about their privacy and allow this kind of data collection in the name of "quality" and "focusing search results and ads.." "blah blah" we'll all become human centipads.
No, don't move on, don't ignore this stuff. Doesn't matter if it's been going on before, it's wrong and is starting to get very bad. We need to be taking a firm stance against this sort of stuff.
I guess maybe you are cool with it because they pay you a fee or something, but I, like other people, are not cool with it.
Be seeing you...
The Swiss data protection agency is now investigating windows 10's data sharing.
(Link in French) http://www.lematin.ch/economie/berne-lance-procedure-concernant-windows-10/story/29192122
No, I think his point is that Windows XP and Vista users aren't eligible to upgrade to 10 for free. And now I've explained the joke and it's no longer funny.
Remove the following updates (if installed already)
KB971033 Description of the update for Windows Activation Technologies
KB2952664 Compatibility update for upgrading Windows 7
KB2990214 Update that enables you to upgrade from Windows 7 to a later version of Windows
KB3021917 Update for Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program
KB3022345 Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry
KB3035583 Update installs Get Windows 10 app in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 SP1
KB3044374 Update that enables you to upgrade from Windows 8.1 to a later version of Windows
KB3068708 Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry
KB3075249 Update that adds telemetry points to consent.exe in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7
KB3080149 (update for CEIP and telemetry)
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*cmd:
sc stop Diagtrack
sc delete Diagtrack
*Task Scheduler Library:
Everything under "Application Experience"
Everything under "Autochk"
Everything under "Customer Experience Improvement Program"
Under "Disk Diagnostic" only the "Microsoft-Windows-DiskDiagnosticDataCollector"
Under "Maintenance" "WinSAT"
"Media Center" and click the "status" column, then select all non-disabled entries and disable them.
*services.msc:
"Remote Registry" to "Disabled" instead of "Manual".
I've tested that theory in a VM and it turns out you can still use the old Windows 7/8 key just fine, along side the Windows 10 key. You have to use the automated phone service to re-activate your Windows 7/8 system, but it works just fine.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Microsoft stores your hardware configuration on their servers as a hash after the free upgrade to Windows 10. After that you can clean install any time you want as long as you have the same motherboard. They call this hardware based digital entitlement. I've already done a clean install of Windows 10 and it activated within a few minutes. When installing cleanly make sure to click on "skip" then it asks for a product key or the install will be borked. Even when MS makes things simple they overly complicate them.
I had the same thought. Apple gives away its operating system because they make money selling you the hardware to run it on. Linux is free because the developers either donate their time, or are paid by companies that make money selling support. Microsoft has always made money selling Windows. This one is essentially free (sure, new copies cost money, but who needs a new Windows license?). Why?
I recall a /. article a few years back explaining why 2 identical (hardware wise) laptops had different prices when shipping from Dell with Windows or Linux installed. The trial/crapware on the Windows system - those vendors pay Dell a couple of bucks per install to get eyeballs in front of them. No such thing on the Linux side. So the Linux laptops were $50 or so more than the same hardware with a Windows install on it.
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos
Remove the following updates (if installed already)
KB971033 Description of the update for Windows Activation Technologies
KB2952664 Compatibility update for upgrading Windows 7
KB2990214 Update that enables you to upgrade from Windows 7 to a later version of Windows
KB3021917 Update for Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program
KB3022345 Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry
KB3035583 Update installs Get Windows 10 app in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 SP1
KB3044374 Update that enables you to upgrade from Windows 8.1 to a later version of Windows
KB3068708 Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry
KB3075249 Update that adds telemetry points to consent.exe in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7
KB3080149 (update for CEIP and telemetry)
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run cmd as administrator
sc stop Diagtrack
sc delete Diagtrack
*Task Scheduler Library:
Everything under "Application Experience"
Everything under "Autochk"
Everything under "Customer Experience Improvement Program"
Under "Disk Diagnostic" only the "Microsoft-Windows-DiskDiagnosticDataCollector"
Under "Maintenance" "WinSAT"
"Media Center" and click the "status" column, then select all non-disabled entries and disable them.
*services.msc:
"Remote Registry" to "Disabled" instead of "Manual".
Virtual +1 Informative
...is the requirement of PERSONAL INFORMATION vital to the functionality of ANY user system nor is it pertinent to the intellectual property rights or protections otherwise under the Law of ANY company offering product and/or services for public consumption.
Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel
You have none.
No only do you have none, but we can share/sell it to anybody we want to.
that's... interesting, but not my experience. I don't know what Dell did to fuck up their pricing model so much but when I built for Linux the hardware was pretty much the same price if not cheaper.
Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel
Windows Vista had lots of bugs when it was first released, RAM cost ~$100/GB, and intel's powerful dual core chips were still pricey. 2 years later, many of the bugs were fixed, RAM prices fell by more than half, and prices on microprocessors fell a bit as well. I've got to respect Microsoft for pulling off a major rewrite of Windows, in half of a decade, and end up with a pretty stable product.
You have 30 days to roll back your decision, if you regret it. The question is whether you'll still be able to activate Win7 after that. I've archived my activation but that's motherboard-locked...
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
They have fully integrated the MS app store (that started with Windows 8), and they are would appear to be marketing user data. They are monetizing the OS in a different way that I would rather avoid. My copies of Windows 7 are paid for, and don't include the app store at least. I am aware that some have said that some of the recommended Windows 7 updates may be pushing MS data collection. We'll see how this new model, which seems to be trying to emulate Apple in many respects, works for MS. I think they are making a mistake. But then again, the Enterprise version will probably be different, and less like adware and spyware combined. They will need to do something to get businesses to upgrade from 7, which many of them just finished upgrading to in the last couple of years.
A brain is a terrible thing to waste... Mind? That's debatable.
Get a packet sniffer on Windows ten. You can't run calculator without MS knowing.
Seriously. Try it. Every time you run any of the new-style apps, including calculator or the image preview, it opens up a brief encrypted TCP connection to a MS licensing server. I have a video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Just ignore the bit about photoDNA at the end - that was a theory on my part that I've now determined is unlikely. It's not actually reporting on images, it's reporting on every time the image previewer is loaded. Or calculator, or sound recorder, or quite a few other things. I'm not sure that's much better.
I had quite a bit of fun at the weekend with wireshark seeing just what a freshly-upgraded no-software-installed Windows 10 reports, after setting every privacy option I could find to private. The answer is pretty much everything. Even if you disable searching from the start menu, it still executes the search - it just doesn't display the results. It fetches updates for the default tiles on the start menu (weather and news) even after you remove the tiles. It establishes mysterious TLS connections frequently that I can't identify the purpose of - some of them might be checking for updates, but I doubt it check for upgrades every few minutes.
Don't trust in my paranoia. Install wireshark and look for yourself.
The good news is that Windows 10 firewall can be made to block almost everything with a deny rule and a list of IP ranges. The bad news is that it's quite tricky to do so without also blocking windows update, Bing, the Windows store (No great loss) and I suspect a few Azure hosts.
*woosh*
No
It creates a new unique key by fingerprinting your hardware if you do an upgrade. MS wants they key to go away to prevent piracy and have you either buy a new pc with it or use it at work via autoKMS from a licensing server.
The work around is to use a program to extract the new key or unplug the pc during a Windows 10 start where safe mode tools will pop up. Select reset my pc and then reset all data. This will install a fresh copy from a hidden UEFI partition created during the upgrade for a fresh copy if you are so inclined. MS really did improve the upgrade process. Since 10 is so much more closer to 7/8.1 it won't recreate the same nightmare it did for XP to Vista/7 upgrades. In essences the Vista kernel and services are almost as different as Windows 9x to NT!
http://saveie6.com/
Actually Windows 10 is a lot more modern than 7.
Power wise there is a HUGE difference between 8.1/10 vs 7 on a laptop. Like double the battery life as MS has tweaked the kernel and services to be more mobile friendly.
Windows 7 was awesome and finally good similar to Windows 2000 in my opinion. However, it is dated now after 6 years. It's EFI mode is terrible and you need to go into the bios and disable it or put on CSM (compability support module) and emulate 1981 technology via the bios to get it to work?!
You can't have more than 4 primary partitions without a hack and more than 2 TB due to 1981 bios technology required. Some new pcs will let you use UEFI partitions via emulated drivers.
It boots slow due to bios limitations and CSM options. With it off on 8 and later your pc will boot in freaking seconds!
Security is much improved. Windows 7 scrambles ram so no injections without guessing where the other .dll files are running as administrator ... however you can still guess with a workaround :-( Windows 10 uses a better algorithm. Windows 10 has secure boot to prevent rootkits. Windows 10 has a better kernel level sandbox for IE, Chrome, and other apps to use and more separation of privileges.
With Onedrive and cloud all my settings are synced with my surface and desktop and Office defaults to save it on Onedrive which means I get all my copies on my Android phone, surface tablet, and pc.
Only problem with 8/10 I see is I find it ugly :-) I am typing this on 8.1 as I needed Hyper-V so 7 had to go. I got used to the lack of aero. Being flat is the new thing regardless of OS as every OS on the planet is following this new thing of turning it into a cell phone. Windows 10 update 1 redstone will have the option to change colors again for the title bar thankfully which I find ridiculous.
Other than that yes it is an upgrade and 7 feels and looks pretty dated now with its skuemorphic UI and slow speeds and bios dependencies.
No I am not a fanboy as I do not have 10 yet due to hyper-V being too different for my exams I am studying for (server 2012) so I am waiting until the holidays to upgrade. I am just saying if you need office work done and a few win32 apps Windows 10 is certainly an upgrade over 7 even if I like the look and simplicity of its UI. I could go on too from a technical viewpoint on using dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth instead of doing a re-image but that is another topic
http://saveie6.com/
Way to jeopardize the Net as a whole by teaching people to turn off and never trust updates again.
Go fuck yourself, Microsoft. Fucking idiots.
+1 Insightfully Informative.
Excuse #1 - Google, Apple..etc are doing it too. This is what 5 year old children say when they get caught doing something they know they shouldn't while their brother (Google) or sister (Apple) does not (this time). If you don't understand why this is a completely nonsensical position try following defense in court.. "yes your honor ... I was drinking and driving but everyone else I was with did it too so its ok."... Go ahead...see what happens.
Excuse #2 - ALL of your data is necessary to provide a feature. Examples like Siri, Cortana, Google voice are often paraded around. They need to rummage through your address book to know who "Frankenstein" is before they can call ... Need to know what's in your calendar and where you are at...right? Well no... your "Intelligent Agent" needs to know. There isn't any reason said agent can't execute locally and provide the same services if user prefers not to upload a list of all of their acquaintances and agendas to Microsoft. These systems are architected the way they are because spying is profitable not because they maximize value to end users. Your phone can know your at the florist without sending your location to Microsoft. Your phone can remind you to pick up flowers when you call someone. It isn't impractical or unrealistic to implement. It just isn't profitable.
Excuse #3 - Browser information leaks... Chrome, Firefox, IE keep thinking up new excuses with mostly negative to users to get a piece of everything you are doing with every revision. Some of this shit is offensive blatant one finger salute ...Sending your searches to bing even when you don't use bing.... Uploading your browsing history to Microsoft...there is no rational excuse for this and I can't believe anything approaching a majority of people want this to happen by "default" for any reason.
Excuse #4 - You can turn it off - Coupled with intentional UX design blurring demarcation between local and internet promoting accidental leakage and turns the leakage spigot to 11 by default knowing most users won't know, care or understand enough to change settings which increasingly are ultimatums or don't actually stop data leakage they purport to stop. Now the pot is really starting to heat up... Now Microsoft is retroactively saying fuck you people we will collect shit and there is nothing you can do about it. That they have the gall to say this to their *customers* I personally find amazing.
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"Finally, we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary."
So do like I do..Buy said Dell system, wipe Windows off it, put your distro of choice on, and if you feel the need for Windows, like a program that Wine doesn't do, make a Virtualbox VM and use the Windows key that came on your machine. You'll likely have to call the automated phone thing to get it working, but I've done it multiple times on multiple machines... Only done on Windows 7 tho... Dunno/Don't care about whether it works on 8/8.1 or 10. Yeah.. I know its against MS's precious EULA.. Don't care.. Said Vbox VM gets fired up maybe once a month just to get patches... Other than keeping the VM for *emergency* use, Windows is dead to me... AND with Windows 10 being a spy-ware nightmare, I suspect a LOT more people are gonna investigate Linux...
THANK YOU, Edward Snowden!! Americans owe you a debt of gratitude (whether they know it or not..)
From a meta point of view, what is really happening? If nothing else, there is some kind of breakdown between reasonable expectations of people who use Windows and the actions of Microsoft. Aside from particulars of what exactly is being or not being collected, Microsoft handled this poorly by not anticipating that many people are rightfully highly sensitive to data collection/telemetry/tracking issues, and the fact that it is being disclosed only via EULA legalese doublespeak only damages the situation by orders of magnitude.
Microsoft needs to have a press conference and set up a special page for users concerned about privacy and who want to know more about telemetry/tracking. You do not address users' concerns by blowing them off, but by engaging them.
In this day and age it is reasonable to expect that a complex system such as an OS actually needs to communicate with central servers for reasons related to routine the operation of the system. But what are those routine things?
All we get from EULA's is BS.
for a new amendment to the US constitution guaranteeing the right to privacy? Sure it's really tough to pass an amendment, really tough to enforce such a thing, but tough things need to be talked about prior to action. At least in this community I'm sure people would agree that privacy should be guaranteed - that people have the right to self-determine without undue influence - and that companies that want to sell software or that want people to use their software should agree to the users' terms, and not the other way around.
Except it is even more epic, because Microsoft get to see/use all your stuff as well.
Hark, is that the sound of black helicopters coming to take me to Guantanamo... Peace out, see you in a lifetime or whatever....
After all, this likely breaches a huge number of EU regulations. Maybe Microsoft has finally reached the stage of wanting to die, and die broke, drunk and in the gutter.
No I am not a fanboy..
;)
Come on Bill, no need to play coy with us.
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If people don't care about their privacy and allow this kind of data collection in the name of "quality" and "focusing search results and ads.." "blah blah" we'll all become human centipads. [cc.com]
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Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
If the users can't figure out how to demand freedom or merely pit the companies against each other and get freedom in between them, the computing landscape will go from being one where anyone can write, run, share, and sell their own programs, to not only one where you, the user or third-party developer or backend programmer, must pay the manufacturer to write, run, share, or sell programs, but one in which writing your own software or modifying system settings on your own is almost unthinkable and seems scandalous.
What you don't seem to understand is that this is almost exactly what users get with iOS devices, you think they care about that? Trying to sell your ideology on "control" or "freedom" is really disingenuous because it is actually an extremely narrow application of "control" and "freedom", one that comparatively very few people actually want.
The real problem is that the Software Freedom ideology is still failing to deliver good software (and hardware) solutions to end users. Why should they care about something when it has produced nothing but garbage for them? While the proprietary world has given us the ubiquitous Windows PC platform and all the capabilities built upon it, the modern smartphone, the iPad, DVRs, VR systems, AR systems and pretty much every decent wearable the Free Software movement has done absolutely *nothing* innovative in the consumer space. Why did none of this come from the Free Software movement? How naive do you really want to pretend to be before you admit you already know that the reason people don't value the Free Software principles is because they fail to deliver good solutions?
Free Software is a fantastic idea and has produced some great things (particularly server, embedded and developer solutions) but has yet to deliver any innovation to end users and begging them to care about it rather than coming up with decent products will not change that. It is time to stop ignoring the obvious problem and start doing something about it if you want to succeed.
Yes, google already does all this. No, that does not mean it is acceptable for my workstation (read:serious work computer) to be treated the same way as my mobile device (read: toy).
My phone is not used for banking, doing work for my employer, nor storing sensitive data of any kind, or any other serious purpose.
My workstation is.
The file handling was a complete piece of junk. I remember doing simple file copies to/from my PC and a USB drive and it taking FOREVER!!!
I would literally sit there screaming at my computer saying "what the hell is taking so long?!!!"
FTFY.
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
Is this article a dupe or an expanded dupe or an expanded dupe advertisement? Don't only notice bullshit, notice who it was that bullshitted you.
Read all this if you even think you MIGHT install Window 10 Carnivore Edition
These two comments from this "story ad".
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7898373&cid=50383939
the response too... http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7898373&cid=50384347
and the responders video... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gghj03J_ri0
I wouldn't install Windows 10 just to sniff it, but I'm sure many have. The video above is a guy that did. Not news for me, maybe for you.
Then go and read this comment/links/responders to last Windows 10 "privacy policy aka there is none" article/ad on Slashdot.
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7814945&cid=50277265
If you install Window 10, you are literally stupid. You would not be able to convince me otherwise, not even if you are some guitar hero art genius.
You can stop the Windows Update from downloading 10 by uninstalling KB3035583. (Google it too, there are many stories about it already.)
http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/how-stop-windows-10-upgrade-downloading-your-system
Now we see why the big Bill Gates philanthropy show. Selling out so hard that your company's flagship product (Windows) is worldwide spyware. That shit will get you killed right? Better start donating toilets to Africa huh Billy?
Again. Now is the time to learn Linux if you don't already use it. Cyberspace is basically entirely Linux already. Even the international space station is on Linux.
distrowatch.com
Funny FreeBSD and Ubuntu seem to work just fine. You do know that Intel did not specify MS as the gatekeeper right? You can enter your own darn keys just fine as part of the spec
Microsoft,
You failed at the one job you had to do. You need to have people to trust your OS. That is all. But you couldn't resist and loaded it with spyware and possible government back-doors. There is not a corporate account who will even consider this OS now.
I guess the even-number-windows-versions-are-crap rule continues.
...And signal the market that everybody wants Windows and not Linux, because all it sees are the Windows laptop sales figures.
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
AND with Windows 10 being a spy-ware nightmare, I suspect a LOT more people are gonna investigate Linux...
Yes because so many people have demonstrated that they don't like invasive operating systems, web mail, social networks, cloud services or search engines and don't like to be tracked. Because nobody uses cell phones or credit cards or Android or Gmail or Hotmail or Google Drive or OneDrive or iCloud or Picassa or Facebook or LinkedIn or Google or Bing or Siri or anything like that. It's all about using desktops, Bitcoin/cash, GNewSense, hosting your own email, running your own internet-facing file server and everybody is all over Diaspora and DuckDuckGo! So yes I agree with your prediction, 2016 will be the Year of the Linux Desktop!
Im sure in your idealized world that is how it is but how detached from reality some of you are is truly mind-boggling!
In which case, please *complete* the upgrade cycle and install Windows 1.0, thank you. Far less malicious code in that one, though stability and usability may be degraded a tiny bit.
Point 6: a whole bunch of semi-colon separated statements with no joining words. Does it mean they'll share the data when required by law, to protect themselves, security of the systems etc. Or do they connect them with ors: required by law, or "we want to" or ... ?
I'm fairly pro-MS and yeah I found this over the top biased towards MS "It's pretty clearly laid out this time. Reiterating it would only serve to be redundant." an ~10 line sentence connected with semi-colons is pretty far from "clearly laid out" to me.
...And signal the market that everybody wants Windows and not Linux, because all it sees are the Windows laptop sales figures.
If you really care what "the market" - whatever you're referring to there - thinks then pay the extra for the Linux version. Obviously it has no crapware subsidies and the cost of testing is amortized over a MUCH smaller amount of sales so naturally it is going to cost more, but cheapness shouldn't be the main sell here.
...somebody admitting that Window 10's privacy policy is having a breakdown.
oh, I see, five dollars. Not free. It's only free for 8" screens or smaller. But it's definitely not free for big laptop OEMs, they have to pay five whole dollars on a system that sells for at least 200 so Microsoft can sell people with less market power 100$ for the same software.
And the trialware isn't free or by payment from the trialware authors, it's... free for Dell customers by agreement with Dell.
Totally inaccurate.
I'd mod you up, but your link apparently requires JavaScript. So no ups for you. Also, no ups for most of everyone, ever.
Google and Facebook have been effective in getting everything from everyone, ever, but I don't see any trend like you suggest other than this immediate, or in other words not trend-like, Windows 10.
Sauce or GTFO. I vote for "recent and incompetent" rather than "habitual".
All those under-the-hood features sound nice and all, but the OS is completely and utterly unusable simply because of its shitty Metro UI.
Being flat is the new thing regardless of OS as every OS on the planet is following this new thing of turning it into a cell phone
My Linux systems with KDE don't have this problem at all.
Really? You are comparing Gnome 3/kde 4.x to a modern working start menu?
Is it crap because it is inferior? Or are you just not used to it due to muscle memory? I do not see Metro. I just see icons which dynamically change with info. Infact it is not metro enough on my surface tablet and too optimized for the desktop in my opinion if you ever owned one. But that is why 10 now has tablet mode.
But really the tile is just an icon with updated info. Outlook and use this too. These applets you hate you do not have to use.
Actually by next summer thanks to VS 2015 you will see ported IOS and Android apps as they can use up to 80% of the same code to be compatible with the universal API doing the other 20%. You can Dalvek and objective-C and clang to write apps.
But I am not a fanboy as I have an earlier version of Windows right now due to needing the same version of Hyper-V as 2012 R2 which is 8.1 for the time being. It works just fine.
http://saveie6.com/
Really? You are comparing Gnome 3/kde 4.x to a modern working start menu?
I'm not comparing Gnome3 to anything; Gnome3 sucks. KDE has a proper "modern" start menu, it's the way the Windows start menu should have been all along. The "menu" (which isn't a menu at all) in Metro is bullshit.
Is it crap because it is inferior?
Yes. It's absolute garbage. It's ugly, it's confusing, it even has two separate control panels for some stupid reason (there's a metro control panel, but it doesn't have much stuff in it, so you have to go find the hidden Win7-style control panel to actually change things). There is nothing good about it. It's obviously designed for tablets, but I'm not using a tablet. And if I were, it'd still be ugly as hell. WTF is with the ugly graphics and colors? It's like the Pontiac Aztek of UIs.
These applets you hate you do not have to use.
You still have to use the Metro interface any time you click on "start", unless you install some 3rd-party workaround software.
You can't have more than 4 primary partitions without a hack
Not so clear. I have primary partitions on 8 drives and that works fine...
more than 2 TB due to 1981 bios technology required
FUD. Those 8 drives are all 3 or 4 TB units and they all work fine (only the SSD is smaller)
It also boots in mere seconds.
OneDrive is a big downside of Win10. It's yet another required system tweak to eradicate that turd.
But then again, you're the ultimate fanboy (hey, you even bought a surface!) and you're spouting that same old marketing drivel that we've been hearing for 2 decades: faster (even when it's not), more secure, whatever.
Win8/10 adds very little of any value (unless you like built-in spyware), and instead of the "dated" Win7 looks, we get an even uglier 2D flat phone-like UI that is very much touch centric. The whole damn UI needs to be replaced, and all of that metro/modern/universal/whatever garbage has to be eradicated using powershell too.
Nope. Win7 is still the best option so far.
Really? You are comparing Gnome 3/kde 4.x to a modern working start menu?
I'm not comparing Gnome3 to anything; Gnome3 sucks. KDE has a proper "modern" start menu, it's the way the Windows start menu should have been all along. The "menu" (which isn't a menu at all) in Metro is bullshit.
Is it crap because it is inferior?
Yes. It's absolute garbage. It's ugly, it's confusing, it even has two separate control panels for some stupid reason (there's a metro control panel, but it doesn't have much stuff in it, so you have to go find the hidden Win7-style control panel to actually change things). There is nothing good about it. It's obviously designed for tablets, but I'm not using a tablet. And if I were, it'd still be ugly as hell. WTF is with the ugly graphics and colors? It's like the Pontiac Aztek of UIs.
These applets you hate you do not have to use.
You still have to use the Metro interface any time you click on "start", unless you install some 3rd-party workaround software.
Actually that is not metro. The old control panel is scheduled to go away but the marketing department just couldn't wait back to school sadly so it is was only half done.
The hamburger menus of the new is what kids and millennial prefer to use as it is what their phones and websites have been using since they were born. What we think is natural an old mac style menu's seem ugly and counter intuitive to them as a result. It is a win32 app.
Yes colors for title bars they are reading back as it was rushed ala Vista style in October with update 1. Just drag off the tiles you want and the menu is back.
What 8 sucked at was closed door syndrome. Things fly out at you. One app comes and everything is invisible. Stuff randomly opens and closes when you use a touchpad is another. All of them fixed.
I am waiting and you may not like but it surely is not unusable nor designed for tablets. It functions just like 7. You hit the WIndows key and type what you want. Or use a mouse if you like the old XP way of all programs which many have not learned a way. Anyway each to their own. I could use 10 if someone put a gun to my head. On 8 I needed several paid programs to undo the damage in comparison.
http://saveie6.com/
This isn't an article from The Verge. It's a shill piece from a Microsoft fanboy trying to assure people everything is fine with the POS company he jacks off to.
LOL! You? Not a fanboy? You're the worst fanboy I've ever seen! Hell, more like a hardcore shill!
KDE has a proper "modern" start menu
Great, use that then if that is what you prefer.
It's ugly, it's confusing
Yes many people have taken the subjective criticism route and combined it with the "unfamiliarity" argument like this.
it even has two separate control panels for some stupid reason
Simple settings in one and more advanced ones in the other. Most users dont (and certainly shouldnt) need to modify the environment variables for example.
WTF is with the ugly graphics and colors?
Well it started with simplistic bland gray, then we got the bright colors of XP, then the faux glass (and those stupid wobbly windows in Linux) and now it's back to simplistic designs but with color.
You still have to use the Metro interface any time you click on "start", unless you install some 3rd-party workaround software.
Then do that. If you don't like it then customize it, for fuck sake when did the audience for this site become so dimwitted and unintelligent.
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7898373&cid=50384561
can't even hardly find the most true post. (bottom of jpg)
http://imgur.com/Id9EkP6
Go fuck yourself, Microsoft. Fucking idiots.
well said
rip microsoft
had they truly gave away windows 10 for free, instead of mislead everyone , it would of been a different story.
camels back is definitely now broken , for sure
It's what happens when you put a marketing exec in charge. At first I was excited about Nadella taking over from Ballmer, but now I wish Microsoft had Ballmer back. Windows 10 is the biggest pile of shit Microsoft has ever put out.
SOME are installed in the enterprise edition too :( cleansing them now. I can't express in words how fucking mad I am about this at this point. I have to run windows because my dev work runs on windows, but if that wasn't the case I'd be on another platform already.
Never underestimate the relief of true separation of Religion and State.
It's NOT FREE damnit, stop posting this nonsense.
You're right, it's significantly overpriced for what you're getting.
I'll try it again later this month I guess. Right now I have both Windows 7 and the Windows 10 upgraded from it running side-by-side in VMs.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Microsoft was charging a fixed fee for each PC sold, regardless of the OS that was installed. Hence, Linux machines had to be more expensive.
Or for the CLI inclined:
wusa /uninstall /kb:971033 /quiet /norestart /uninstall /kb:2952664 /quiet /norestart /uninstall /kb:2990214 /quiet /norestart /uninstall /kb:3021917 /quiet /norestart /uninstall /kb:3022345 /quiet /norestart /uninstall /kb:3035583 /quiet /norestart /uninstall /kb:3044374 /quiet /norestart /uninstall /kb:3068708 /quiet /norestart /uninstall /kb:3075249 /quiet /norestart /uninstall /kb:3080149 /quiet /norestart
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schtasks /delete /f /tn "\Microsoft\Windows\Application Experience\AitAgent" /delete /f /tn "\Microsoft\Windows\Application Experience\Microsoft Compatibility Appraiser" /delete /f /tn "\Microsoft\Windows\Application Experience\ProgramDataUpdater" /delete /f /tn "\Microsoft\Windows\Autochk\Proxy" /delete /f /tn "\Microsoft\Windows\Customer Experience Improvement Program\Consolidator" /delete /f /tn "\Microsoft\Windows\Customer Experience Improvement Program\KernelCeipTask" /delete /f /tn "\Microsoft\Windows\Customer Experience Improvement Program\UsbCeip" /delete /f /tn "\Microsoft\Windows\DiskDiagnostic\Microsoft-Windows-DiskDiagnosticDataCollector" /delete /f /tn "\Microsoft\Windows\Maintenance\WinSAT"
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And now I need to add some text saying that you need to reboot after this because slashdot says "postercomment compression filter" error or some such.
Someone give me a brick wall so that I can beat my head against it please!
*Every* install of a new Windows OS is faster.
But then you add programs and install updates and so on, and it slows down to where you started from.
If it's in the privacy policy that they can do it, and they can force updates, there is nothing to stop them putting out an update so you can't shut it off. Being able to disable the invasion for now is not an excuse to let people accidentally sign away their rights.
The Windows 10 start menu is great. Instead of wasting time organizing a tree of apps you just search. The ones you use frequently you pin to the start menu, like you used to have icons crapped all over the desktop. Unlikely the desktop, you can get to the start menu without disturbing other windows.
Sod that stupid tree. I wasted enough time organizing that thing, and then re-organizing it when an app was updated and re-created its menu entries at the root again. I was already mostly searching anyway, I just needed to let go of needing that tree to be there in my mind.
The control panel has nothing to do with the start menu. Having two is stupid, but you are conflating the two issues. Your only other criticism seems to be that you don't like the graphics... It's fine, not hideous, and it's functional. Your complaint borders on nit-picking.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Well, look... I tryed Windows 10 at home (using a VM), tryed hard. And my honest conclusion is that the new GUI is a fucking, steaming piece of shit!! It is even worse than the ridiculous Android lollipop GUI!! Who are the asshole in charge of the visual design department at Microsoft these days? A monkey? The code under the hood can be excellent, but the interface to interact with it is so bad that even makes my eyes bleed!
Religion: The greatest weapon of mass destruction of all time
It is not ugly... Is FUCKING UGLY!
Religion: The greatest weapon of mass destruction of all time
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Religion: The greatest weapon of mass destruction of all time
The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and Microsoft is only merging onto the limited access highway already paved by the likes of Google, Facebook, and others.
We've already became complacent with allowing "diagnostic data" being sent back to the developers. It's going to be hard to change that attitude now that most people waited until after "the frog was boiled" before realizing that maybe we should be concerned.
Some of us was already waving the caution flag but our concerns were downplayed because others argued that sharing information was a small price to pay for access to free software and services.
These comments are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of my employer or colleagues...
The demand for linux desktops from Dell isn't high enough to justify selling access via crapware.
The same can't be said for Android. Look at the uninstallable crapware that comes with phones from certain manufacturers. Don't you think the software company paid said phone manufacturer for the opportunity to not only be preinstalled on the phone but also to make it not able to be uninstalled?
These comments are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of my employer or colleagues...
There are a lot of bad things in this new product. But just a handful of them are new and the rest are in older products as well. It's just getting slightly worse. That's almost like an improvement.
Is there an open source firewall application for Windows? I'm not talking about a dedicated computer to run the firewall with a specialized linux distro. I am specifically asking if there is an open source firewall application that can be installed and run under Windows (comparable to Comodo or shitty ZoneAlarm), preferably with the ability to import/export rules and white/black lists.
Interpretation against the draftsman. Perhaps it differs where you live, but where I live ambiguity in contracts works against the interests of those responsible for its wording, not for them.
Great, then don't use Windows 10. I use my phone for banking sometimes. It also does store sensitive personal data, and I do have work email hooked to it.
KB 3035583 (primary nagware for Windows 10)
KB 2952664
KB 2990214 (Windows 10 upgrade)
KB 3021917 (Windows Customer Experience Improvement Program)
KB 3022345
KB 3044374 (Windows 10 upgrade)
KB 3068708 (update for CEIP and telemetry)
KB 3075249 (telemetry)
KB 3080149 (update for CEIP and telemetry)
So you're discounting 99% of the web over Javascript? Humm. It's not all evil, just mostly evil.
Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
Not a fanboy??
Dude, your name is Billly Gates, you're not fooling anyone.
You are also paying extra for support, as the vast majority of their users will use Windows on that hardware, and you want something else. Mainstream support is always cheaper than anything specialised.
I have software that that only works with windows with ET phone home containing sensitive customer information, ie:Master Key codes, Safe Drill Points, and sometimes Safe combinations. With mandatory recordkeeping requirements. Think GSA red label containers, look that up if you have no idea.
Diagnostic data "vital" to the operation of Windows
M$ considers the Windows Update that nags you to upgrade to Windows 10 to be an "Important" update. Clearly they are on crack.
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We'll see how this new model, which seems to be trying to emulate Apple in many respects, works for MS.
But the one respect they cannot/won't emulate is changing their business model to a hardware-based monetization, where they actually sell Microsoft-branded hardware, and take steps to prevent their OS from running on Third Party hardware. By the way, Apple doesn't really prevent their software from running on compatible third-party hardware, but doing so violates the terms of the EULA. But Microsoft would have to actually use "tools" such as "Secure Boot" to "more aggressively" enforce their EULA, simply because of the sheer numbers of Windows-compatible hardware out there.
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Until they do that, Microsoft will forever be forced to pay for Windows by pimping-out the Users' personal data
There simply is no other way, other than to charge OEMs an exorbitant licensing fee, which kinda flies in the face of "free", don'tcha think?
Now is the time to learn OS X
FTFY.
This is exactly right, I don't quite understand how people can still be so ignorant of the concept that "there is no such thing as a free lunch". How is it that people here are still surprised to find that out?
Apple's 'device' model is good, the hardware and software are integrated rather than separate things and it means the cost of the device is then used for both the hardware and software development.
This is exactly right, I don't quite understand how people can still be so ignorant of the concept that "there is no such thing as a free lunch". How is it that people here are still surprised to find that out?
Apple's 'device' model is good, the hardware and software are integrated rather than separate things and it means the cost of the device is then used for both the hardware and software development.
Right.
And bringing it back around to the point of this Thread, that also means that Apple's business model (and I suppose Linux') is the only one that doesn't depend on eating the souls of its victims, er customers.
But the problem with Linux is that it's Linux; which means that it is forever doomed to be relegated to the server room and the workbenches of hobbyists. It very well may "run" the Internet; but it will never be "The Year of The Linux Desktop". Never.
for fuck sake when did the audience for this site become so dimwitted and unintelligent.
Probably around the time it became overrun by Windows users.
Burger King doesn't count. Wait until you get a real job and have privacy obligations, junior.
Its not that Dell's hardware is more expensive with Linux, its that its even cheaper with Windows.
As for the difference in experience, guess that comes from the difference between being a huge company like Dell and a corner computer store.
Are you prepared to lose that Windows 7 license forever once the month is up? Make a backup of the Windows 10 VM image and then do a rollback so that your license reverts back, then see if the Windows 10 backup image still works.
The Windows 10 start menu is great. Instead of wasting time organizing a tree of apps you just search.
You mean like we've been doing since Vista?
The ones you use frequently you pin to the start menu, like you used to have icons crapped all over the desktop. Unlikely the desktop, you can get to the start menu without disturbing other windows.
So now you have to do it manually. In Vista/7 and 8 the start menu would display a list of most frequently used applications automatically.
Sod that stupid tree. I wasted enough time organizing that thing, and then re-organizing it when an app was updated and re-created its menu entries at the root again. I was already mostly searching anyway, I just needed to let go of needing that tree to be there in my mind.
Why didn't you just set up a scheduled task to handle that?
However, these are minor points compared to the fact that Windows 10 has built in spyware, advertising and forced updates that can be used to add more.
Right on. I admit I never really gave them much thought before, but simply can't agree to the new eula.
Oh, should I have sugar-coated that?
Apart from your believe that it will never be the year of the linux desktop, what makes you claim it will never be the year of the linux desktop?
You don't get support for windows either.
Not from Dell. They'll tell you to get the latest patch or it's some other driver's fault. Microsoft will tell you to ask Dell.
Now is the time to learn OS X
FTFY.
I use all Operating Systems, and have for over 30 years. I've multi-booted every TYPE at the same time, and ran them all in Virtual Machines under different hosts. I've also compiled kernels on most Linuxes/BSD's, but of course not on Windows or OS X.
KDE on Linux is much more a pleasure to use than Mac OS X, and I do use XQuartz on Mac OS X so I can reach into the massive and cool world of open source. TBH I barely use OS X because Linux is so much better. PC-BSD is also a pleasant fork of FreeBSD, and KDE on it is fantastic.
So no, [I FTFY]. KDE on Linux is better than Mac OS X. Apple hardware costs more - to get less too. Linux runs on all the hardware with no crybaby license issues or ecosystem shit or walled garden shit.
Mac OS X is infinitely better than Windows, but Linux is at least 5x cooler to use than OS X. You just have access to WAY WAY WAY too much software that was coded out of the love of computing not to satisfy investor's margin growth.
Before I checked back to the above comment I made, I watched this. https://finance.yahoo.com/video/tech-drives-huge-rally-231600410.html
When you see those companies at eg. 55 seconds into the video... you see Amazon | Google | Netflix. That is Linux | was BSD, now Linux | BSD.
Mac OS X is a hipster operating system. It is sold with feels that somehow you will be using superior-to-Windows and the price justified it. Well, cyberspace is basically entirely Linux/BSD right now beginning with your router and outward. Mac OS X is a fork of BSD. That bash shell prompt you get in Mac OS X... sitting right there in Linux and BSD as well. They are the same Unix family... Apple just went for the money. Go watch the movie Pirates of Silicon Valley.
So for you to chime in with OS X love... you obviously just don't know.
All supercomputers? Basically all Linux. top500.org.
International Space Station? Linux.
name it in cyberspace? www.microsoft.com and www.apple.com? Akamai. Yeah, Linux.
pro-tip: you can run Linux alongside your existing Apple / Windows installs. You can also run as many Linuxes as you have disk space for using free Oracle VirtualBox virtual machines. The only reason to use Windows is for a few games until they start compiling more for Linux. Really there is no reason to buy a Mac. You can run Mac OS X in a virtual machine on any other host.
Many people's issue is not that they will give this to their govenrment, but that they will give it to the US Government, regardless of juristriction ...
Shoudl I mutter something about no juristriction without representation ... ?
Puteulanus fenestra mortis
logo compliance kicking in there, I reckon - it was more than just a sticker, it said "I'm taking kickbacks from Microsoft to push this out with a crippled version of Office."
Political debates have me rolling my eyes so much I think I got optical whiplash. I should sue. - Foamy The Squirrel