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An anonymous reader writes: I have an older (90+) relative who is experiencing mental decline. He's still fairly functional (you can have a decent conversation with him, and he's amazingly positive for someone in his condition), but his memory of anything recent is terrible. He's in an assisted living center, but he's having serious trouble for example finding his way to the dining hall and back to his room. He has visitors daily and the staff are supportive but 24/7 oversight is not an option. I am looking for a navigation system suitable for use indoors that will help him move around. The distances involved are short, and his schedule is pretty regular so it would be OK to have a schedule of where he usually is at a given time (lounge, dining hall, room) and a big green arrow that always points out which way he should go to get there (so it would need to accommodate doors and hallways etc, not just the straight line direction). Is anyone here aware of such a system? I've thought of trying to write an app for a smartphone but I'm not sure if GPS is really the way to go, seeing as it's indoors. Also, battery life would be an issue — he would have trouble remembering what to do if it stopped working and I'm not sure if he'd remember (or be able) to connect a charger. For the same reason it would need to be pretty bomb-proof — he's not in position to troubleshoot if it fails.

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  1. nothing will work by turkeydance · · Score: 3, Insightful

    to your satisfaction. i have the same situation. tried 4 times. failed 4 times. only and ONLY 24/7 human supervision is appropriate.

    1. Re:nothing will work by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Agreed, and sadly decline can be rapid as well. While the situation I had probably isn't the same as yours or the question in general. Nothing really works except human supervision, especially since a person who can seem good one day when you're checking on them, can be the complete opposite by 5pm of the same day. They can get easily confused when non-standard things enter their lives as well, and become upset by it.

      Even basic things that the person in question used to do, for say taking medications won't work either. Stuff like pre-packaged blister packs with the days of the week and simple numbering won't work either, especially when their reasoning and understanding start to become shaky.

      In my case I was looking after my grandmother who had stage 4 lung cancer when it was diagnosed. From a period of September two years ago until January last year she was good, then rapid decay of her mental abilities kicked in. There was no way you could leave her alone at all, she'd walk out of the building and forget where she was, or go looking for my grandfather who was dead 5 years at that point. By the spring I was living there 24/7 to look after her and take care of her daily, by summer I also had the assistance of CCAC(nursing care entering the home so I could take a break). By September of that same year she required 24/7 nursing care and was in a nursing home, by October she was in hospice care for the terminally ill and bed ridden.

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    2. Re:nothing will work by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Agreed, and sadly decline can be rapid as well. While the situation I had probably isn't the same as yours or the question in general. Nothing really works except human supervision

      In my experience, family supervision is best. It benefits everyone, even if it might not seem so to the family at first. Being with loved ones, even if they're not the same as they used to be, is a blessing. Taking care of the elderly is a feature of families, not a bug. And don't think your kids don't see how you treat the elderly, and they come to accept what you do as appropriate. If you warehouse the old and frail, you can expect the same treatment when you get old. Never ever be ashamed of someone who is old and failing.

      Of course you can reach a point where you need help, but keep them close to you as long as you can (in all ways).

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    3. Re:nothing will work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just tie a string to him and his bed works for my dog!

    4. Re:nothing will work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      to your satisfaction. i have the same situation. tried 4 times. failed 4 times. only and ONLY 24/7 human supervision is appropriate.

      Yep. Been there, done that. Unless there's someone else in the home or someone outside that will arrive at set times to take him to and from the dining hall and his room at meal times there's nothing you can do. The best suggestion, and what worked for us until we had to get our grandfather 24/7 coverage, is to have set meal times (on his schedule) and plan to be there at that time to take him to and from eating. It will reinforce the behavior and get him into a routine, but in the end the absolute best is to get him to a facility that can do the 24/7 coverage.

    5. Re:nothing will work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My mother is also 90+ and at an assisted living home. I have tried all kinds of stuff, some high tech, but mostly low tech, like big bold instructions for very simply things. None of it works very well. I know for my mother no navigation device with arrows to guide her would ever come even close to working. Someone with enough presence of ming to use such a device would also have the ability to find their way to the dining room. However, where my mother lives the staff will come and get her for meals and for activities. That is part of the service, and it works well. That was before she moved to an even better "Memory Care" section of the facility. The memory care unit is really good about engaging people with very poor memories.

    6. Re:nothing will work by wierd_w · · Score: 1

      The submitter is looking for a technological solution to replace one of the primary functions of nurse aid staff members.

      The PRIMARY job responsibility of nurse aids in a senior skilled care facility is:

      Assist the resident with activities of daily living.

      This is everything from helping them to take their medication, to getting dressed every morning, to taking regular showers to stay healthy, to brushing their teeth, to ensuring that their asses dont have shit on them, and everything in between.

      Quite literally, IT IS THEIR JOB to help the resident DO ANYTHING that they have difficulty with. If the resident wants to color in a coloring book, but has difficulty holding the crayons, the nurse aids are to help the resident with that task. For real.

      24/7 assistance is EXACTLY what an adult care facility provides. It is what you pay for when you put a family member there.

      As NASA put it, human beings are the most inexpensive general purpose robot that money can buy. Nurse aids do exactly this function. It is their job. Just pay for your family member to have the nursing care they need. Problem solved.

    7. Re:nothing will work by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      I don't know about in the US but in Canada we have something called a PSW, who works for hospitals, VON(Victorian order of nurses), St. Elisabeth's care and so on. In their official capacity they're not a nurse, but they are a personal care worker who can stay with the person up to 20 hours per day, some will even move into a persons home in order to make them feel better.

      It's a hell of a hard choice to do anything, but having a family member there is a huge boon to them. My grandparents looked after my great grandmother oh 20 something years ago now, she lived at their home until her health deteriorated so badly that she needed 24/7 nursing care.

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    8. Re:nothing will work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you try to solve with high tech, something which is certainly not a for tech problem.

      Use a dog.

      Or, Use a human.

      No need to be creative, just do it right.

    9. Re: nothing will work by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      The problem with that is that you can lose objectivity. Each new problem becomes one more burden, but what the heck, its only one more, right? You can easily get so over your head that you end up ignoring your own needs. Burnout and depression are the end result.

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  2. Would make a nice kickstarter project by Edis+Krad · · Score: 1

    I don't think there are any readily available solutions for your problem and it's not an easy one to solve either with an independent device. GPS is useless indoors and more so with the resolution you need (the few meters between bedroom and dining hall).

    You would have to build your own solution for this problem, using Arduino, most likely. Relative positioning using accelerometers is your best bet for an independent device, but positioning error builds quickly and you would need it to reset the error by making a reference to an absolute marker every now and then.

    Non independent solutions could use RFID tags placed at regular intervals on the walls, granted the living center would have to let you do that too.

    As for the display, a circle made of LEDs should be fairly easy to make. Just light up the ones pointing in the correct direction.

    1. Re: Would make a nice kickstarter project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arduino and accelerometers? Terrible above. Particularly the accelerometers.

    2. Re: Would make a nice kickstarter project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If somebody is working on this, these guys would know who... Www.aging2.com

      If not, it's an interesting idea with potential. My gut would say geolocation using ibeacons.

      (Disclosure- I work for a national assisted living company in corporate strategy).

    3. Re: Would make a nice kickstarter project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, nice try, but I have to agree with the pessimists above that if one's short term memory is dysfunctional to the point they can't remember how to navigate the halls of their residence, the likelihood they would be able to learn how to use the new App or dedicated gizmo is approaching 00.

      Additionally, if the standard hall nav signs aren't in place, as in most hospitals, or the people you are discussing can no longer use them, it's too late for a tech to assist. It would be far more effective to have a staff member round up those who need the help to get to scheduled activities and lead them, en masse, like the Pied Piper.
      (No disrespect intended).

      Save the tech for the already tech savvy.

    4. Re: Would make a nice kickstarter project by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Why is it too late? I don't get this attitude. It may not be of immediate benefit to some - this is true. I don't benefit from new designs in sports bras. That doesn't mean it doesn't benefit others. That doesn't mean it's too late to start now. If we use the excuse that the peak time to do something has already passed then we'd get nowhere. "Nah, some folk can't learn to drive a car, they won't benefit at all. Better just not do it."

      Actually, I might get some benefit from new sports bra designs. Probably not the intended benefit but, you know... I'm old, not blind. Also, let's not forget that it is the elderly that first created the tools you're using to leave your comment. Some of them may be more tech savvy than you anticipate - perhaps having a greater understanding than even you or I.

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    5. Re: Would make a nice kickstarter project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (AL Strategy guy again- I don't have an account). But I do have thousands of dementia residents that use tech every day. It's not easy but not impossible. think beyond the smartphone app. Think wearables, assistive devices, etc. to make the devices they already know smarter (wheelchairs, walkers, canes). There are many millions of VC pouring into this industry who are betting tech is part of the solution to these kinds of problems.

      This doesn't help OP, who has a need now, but make no mistake there is huge unmet need behind this problem. (apologies if duplicate post, /. doesn't seem to like to take my post as AC..

    6. Re: Would make a nice kickstarter project by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Up-thread I proposed a more defined solution for others to build on. This seems like it would be an area that has looming market growth and finding VC interested in it is not surprising. Though I do some VC work (through a separate company), I've not yet heard of anyone proposing to them, at least, anything directly related to this. It's not trivial or anything but it could be done and will help quite a few who either acclimate early or aren't yet beyond the point of help. There are varied degrees of memory loss - I, myself, suffer from some but mine's likely drug and alcohol induced and seems to be improving now that I no longer drink. It's just not improving as rapidly or as much as I'd hope.

      As I mentioned below - I'd forget the proposed low-tech method, I'd simply forget to carry a highlighter in their instance. I do leave texts sent to myself on my phone. I don't even have to read the texts. I just have to send them. The act of typing them out is what seems to trigger my memory and so I remember them that way. I've literally driven to the store in the village, when home - I'm not home now, and forgotten why I went there. I asked the clerk, she didn't know either. We had a good laugh. I'm about 25 miles from the store so it was quite a trip to take and I'd simply forgotten why I went. This has happened more than once. I usually remember just about the time I get back home. Yes, yes I have turned around and driven back.

      So, I write notes to myself via text messaging or a note-taking app. I'm not sure why the writing part helps but it does. Sometimes, I'm forced to pat myself down to find something. Strangely, I may need to do so multiple times. That part isn't new though, I've had this problem for years.

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    7. Re: Would make a nice kickstarter project by fafaforza · · Score: 1

      But it wouldn't be an app, obviously. I can barely get my 56 year old mom to navigate an ipad.

      Any system would have to be voice driven, it would have to have audible directions, it would need one button, with "Where would you like to go" as the only command. The elderly would likely forget what the keywords would be, or start rambling a bit, and their elocution would be degraded, so that's where the difficulties would come from.

      But it cannot be a physical interaction.

  3. be careful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The more of the mental activity you replace, the less there is. My grandma gets smarter with some of my aunts and dumber with the ones who baby her (or boss her around).

  4. Haptic compass? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    It isn't what you'd call god's gift to style; but there's a neat little idea floating around of the 'haptic compass' that provides the user with a tactile cue about where north is, with the idea that this subtle, but persistent, stimulus will be integrated into their overall navigational capability.

    For your use case, you probably wouldn't want a system that points 'true north' all the time; but if you have an itinerary, you only need a real time clock and the user's current location to provide a haptic nudge in the correct direction. Are GPS or AGPS fixes within this facility OK, or is this system going to need to navigate the hard way?

    1. Re: Haptic compass? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's another for your ankle.

      http://sensebridge.net/projects/northpaw/

    2. Re: Haptic compass? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, yet again, someone believes this solution-looking-for-a-problem is appropriate for the aged or thecognitively impaired? Maybe, but if you can't remember how to navigate the old fashioned way, how are you going to learn a completely novel approach.

      To me, it's far more likely to be startled or aggravated by some buzzing little thing that's been attached to my.... Let's see, where did I leave that annoying little thing, again?

    3. Re: Haptic compass? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Short of near-constant human attention; or a humanoid robot with scary-good emulation of human attention; I'm not actually that optimistic about their being a solution. General purpose cognition is a wildly powerful tool, and when yours starts to go all problems become more difficult.

      I merely proposed it as a possibility worth examining because it's an already-implemented take on the problem of converting location data into a cue for the user; and one potentially amenable to a 'keep moving in the direction of the vibration and you'll get there' variation.

      I'm not wildly optimistic; but, given the cognitive demands of the UIs of most mapping and navigation systems, those seemed like they'd be an unsuitable option. This at least has a pretty undemanding UI.

  5. How hard could it be? by mjwx · · Score: 1

    Once again Jeremy, James and Richard from old new Top Gear were way ahead of you.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
    What you need is a large GPS device that only has 4 buttons, Home, Bingo, Shops and Little Jimmy's House. It would also need to randomly point out random local facts like "That place was bombed during the war you know" as you drive by points of interest.

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    1. Re:How hard could it be? by no-body · · Score: 1

      Accurate GPS inside a building to find a room?
      Good luck with that!

  6. External cues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Think adding complexity like a GPS is counter productive.

    The easiest fix is having external cues, like an alarm clock and easily identifiable items (like a picture of his kids, etc.) on his door (so it is easy to identify his room).

    Pairing with another patient to check in with him is also helpful, as well as mentioning to staff his decline so they know to check in on him more often (and possibly move his room closer to the dining hall).

  7. Agreed by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2

    Elderly and technology do not mix. Especially someone with a failing memory.

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    1. Re:Agreed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am elderly and have been programming computers on a daily basis since I was 19 years old. I would like something I can live with for when my memory starts to fail.

    2. Re:Agreed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you need to get something set up and working now. Once your mind starts failing, you shouldn't expect to be able to remember how to use something new.

    3. Re:Agreed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just remember you'll be old someday too, if you're lucky, you stupid dipshit.

    4. Re:Agreed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Have you considered not living anymore? If you've degraded to the point where basic life functions are no longer possible unaided, it's time to check out.

      Superior ability breeds superior ambition.

      Something only a heartless asshole would suggest. I hope no one in your family carries out that plan on you. Jerk.

    5. Re:Agreed by perpenso · · Score: 1

      Elderly and technology do not mix. Especially someone with a failing memory.

      No, its not technology. Its something different, something new, something that was not familiar before the short term memory loss. Things in long term memory are just fine, including technology. You just have to introduce new tech before the short term loss.

    6. Re:Agreed by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Have you considered not living anymore? If you've degraded to the point where basic life functions are no longer possible unaided, it's time to check out."

      So...what's it like working for Cigna?

    7. Re:Agreed by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      "Elderly and technology do not mix."

      No demographic has a bigger unmet need for assistance with tech than my fellow chrono-Americans. The new printer needs to be got working to AIrPrint from the iPad. The font in every app has to be made bigger. The grandchildren need to find you on Facebook. What a Roku does needs to be gone over carefully. A myriad online scams have to be explained for what they are. IT advice that is boilerplate for most computer users has to work completely differently for this group: for instance, the need to meticulously write every password down, because otherwise you will forget them. Just don't leave the list where the cleaning lady or your granddaughter's doper friends will find it.

    8. Re:Agreed by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, my mom always had trouble remember how to do much more than hit the Photos icon and then swipe sideways to see the next picture on the iPad I got for her. Same with the previous Digital Picture Frame [and a big fuck-you to the assholes at HP that lied to me about how it supported remotely being sent pictures over the internet].

      Technology isn't really 'intuitive', it's just that more and more people have grown up and used technology for some time, so they generally know what technology expects of them. People that grew up before technology and haven't used it much still have some difficulty with figuring it out.

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    9. Re:Agreed by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I didn't touch a computer, really, until I was well into adulthood (and I thought it was useless and I was absolutely clueless). This was in the early 1980s. I've since adapted but I know many, many people who've never once touched a personal computer even to play a game. The closest they've come to the internet is *maybe* downloading a ringtone on their dumb phone. I doubt many of them have sent a text message.

      I lack the time or initiative but I'd love to invite them all over once a week and let them access a number of devices in my home. I've got enough computers set up. I have a 'complete' lab (small, very small) in my basement, with tech that spans the ages, as well. I even have a couple of servers here - one is even a blade server that, while rather old now, runs my home network just fine and even hosts a few VMs that I use and access regularly. The house is full of compute devices - there's literally something in every single room - even the guest bathroom has a tablet (and hand sanitizer).

      I am not much of a teacher, though. I've done some instruction at the group level but I do better at the individual level. Maybe I could open source my lesson plans? The compute devices don't really have Windows on them any more. I've got two laptops and a desktop that have Windows on them but those aren't up to date or anything. I guess I could put them in a VM but that's going to be more confusing for these types of people as I'm going to have to instruct them from setup to use and security and all that.

      I guess I could buy a bunch of desktops from Amazon? It's not like I can't afford it. Computers are cheap and I'd only have to get a half dozen to start with. Then I'd need to make room. I have the house that was originally on the property (now I'm sort of thinking aloud) and that would work, I guess. I have a separate DSL line just for that house but no infrastructure in place. I could probably just say "surprise" and give them the desktops to take home with them - maybe laptops would be better?

      I donate a lot of hardware and money to the local elementary school - they've one poor IT staff to cover the entire school, fortunately it is only 56 students. But the district doesn't seem to do a hell of a lot so he runs around like a chicken with his head cut off - even during the summer. I got the kids iPods this year which he was grateful for. I don't really like Apple much but, truth be told, they're great in the educational environment. It was costly but I contacted Apple directly and got a good price on them. I can write them off but I've already donated enough so that I can't reduce my tax burden any further.

      Hmm...

      Thoughts? Has anyone done this? Practical idea? Any idea how to approach adults in a classroom setting, albeit an informal one? You usually know your shit with tech. So, any clues? Caveats? Experience? I could do an Ask Slashdot but, as you can see, I'm about as articulate as a drunken monkey and verbose is probably not the way to go about it. Also, there are way too many Davids on this site.

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    10. Re:Agreed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Elderly and technology do not mix. Especially someone with a failing memory.

      No, the elderly can do just fine. As with everyone, they need instruction and and an interface that they can related to. For example, I doubt that many people under 25 would know how to use a library's card catalog to cross reference topics and books. I would never say that young people can't use libraries if they can't use a card catalog. It's the same with the elderly. Double-clicking an icon isn't intuitive (only eating and making little humans are). It's the interface that needs work.

      The only way a navigation system would work is if you can create an identity fob (implant???) that an external system can use to identify your patient. Then you have to train the patient to ask for help. This can't be done on an individual basis, though. It needs to be institution wide.

    11. Re:Agreed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's 25, he thinks he's going to live forever.

      If we're lucky, he talks that way in public too & that won't be a problem, but likely he lives in his mom's basement (Do they even have basements in Tampa? I bet he's in the same room 2 doors down from mommy that he's been in for the past 19 years (since he moved out of her room.).

    12. Re:Agreed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rather blunt, but too true. My mother suffers from a similar problem and it is frustrating to solve the problem with anything other than continuous human care. The "dipshit" commenter must not have to deal with an aging parent (yet?). If a person cannot remember how to get from their room to the dining hall and back it is unreasonable to expect them to remember that they have a device to assist them, let alone remember how to use it. I tell people it is like raising a child in reverse: they do not learn new behaviors and tend to forget old ones.

      You learn to treasure the good moments, even when they are forgotten moments later.

    13. Re: Agreed by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2
      We have euthanasia here, so I can simply choose to pull the plug while I can still make the decision.

      Go into any senior's residence. Once the brain goes, why bother keeping a now-useless body alive?

      In the posters case,a device won't work. Even a service dog is a poor bet unless someone else is going to tend to the dogs needs.

      We don't have the equivalent of an autonomous car that we can stick on old people to guide them around. There comes a time to let go.

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    14. Re: Agreed by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      My god, what did these people do before the internet and computers?

      Oh, right, they had more of a social life than the people who spend their lives on social media today. And they have their cats.

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      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
    15. Re: Agreed by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      "My god, what did these people do before the internet and computers?"

      In the good old days they rotted away in group homes, vainly waiting for their children to visit. Because of the Internet, they can now be part of the big conversation, keeping up with the family on Facebook, reacting to the news online rather than yelling at the TV set while no one else is listening. And they're voting again.

    16. Re:Agreed by segin · · Score: 1

      And when my faculties go - assuming I don't die first - that's what euthanasia is for. To stay alive beyond that point is to only to be a burden upon others, you stupid dipshit.

    17. Re: Agreed by segin · · Score: 1

      Exactly! And I'm being personally attacked by ACs because I see this and they do not. Their resistance to such an idea almost seems... Like the cognitive dissonance you get when telling a brainwashed person a factoid that conflicts with their deeply-held personal beliefs (especially the ones they were brainwashed into having). Seriously, no shit we all get old. But if you can't take care of yourself, it's time to go. Aside from the selfish emotional desires of your family, and possibly yourself, there's no reason to keep on going. You've had yours, now it's time to give way to the next generation.

    18. Re:Agreed by segin · · Score: 1

      No, a heartless asshole would keep themselves alive. A truly caring person would end both their own suffering and the suffering of their family (and if you think your family isn't hurting to see you basically reduced to nothing, you're even less empathic than you imply me to be. They aren't happy to see you. They're saddened.)

    19. Re:Agreed by segin · · Score: 1

      Wonderful, I only have to pay 150% above market rates for my company health insurance. :)

    20. Re:Agreed by segin · · Score: 1

      I haven't lived in Tampa in nearly three years, just goes to show how poor your ability to research is.

      There is a good chance, mind you, that I might just live "forever". I honestly don't think connectome mapping is going to take three hundred years to come about. I might be wrong, but there were those in the 1980s that insisted that the level of computer communications we have today wouldn't happen until around 2150.

      And it's worth noting that no one who is 25 thinks they will "live forever", outside of the possibility of future technological development, and even that's seen as a very long shot in the dark. I fear you may be projecting your own psychological faults from when you were that age upon me because you have no real arguments to make.

      However, at least I have the balls to show my face, Anonymous Coward. If I were a basement denizen, wouldn't I want to hide myself?

    21. Re: Agreed by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      ... and they're not rotting away now, even with the internet?

      Issues - limited ability to type, lack of fine motor control, low vision, dementia, poor short-term memory ... and you want them to use a computer, tablet or smartphone? They like their TVs for the same reason Homer Simpson does - they just have to sit there and passively soak it all up. You'll get rid of their TVs when you pry them from their cold, birdlike claws.

      And those who can, fall prey to every scam on the net, no matter how many times you warn them. And when you tell them it's a scam, they get mad at you and insist it's not. A can't-win proposition.

      And what do they want to talk about? Their soap operas, game shows, etc. Go visit a "home" - you'll sign your DNR order and vote for euthanasia first. When a dog can't be a dog any more, you put it down. Why would anyone want to live a sub-human experience, or force it on anyone else, is beyond me.

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    22. Re: Agreed by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Many people fear death. By denying others the right to die, they feel they have some control over death, including their own. It's also why so many religions push a life-after-death scenario - tell people what they want to believe, and you've got them.

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  8. There's navigation equipment for the blind... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Both audio and touch feedback (via a glove to guide the blind in a supermarket). I just saw the glove thingy on a science show on TV, can't remember who's developing it.

    1. Re:There's navigation equipment for the blind... by gnupun · · Score: 2
    2. Re:There's navigation equipment for the blind... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the one.

  9. old school by jjbarrows · · Score: 2

    Lots of signage (eg "dinning --->"), a printed schedule (eg "12:30 be in dinning") and a watch (maybe with alarms?).

    1. Re:old school by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

      He should definitely be warned about a room containing loud discordant sounds.

      Unless he is hungry, of course.

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  10. Obviously this is not going to be easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Option 1:
    RFID + Monitors and Panels throughout facility.

    Reads your bracelet or whatever device as you walk past things, prompts you to go to certain directions. I would assume equipment to deploy this would be a few grand and a hell of a sell to the community managers. So.. strike this one down.

    Option 2:
    RFID / Tracking iRobot + Telemetry Tracking + Display Module
    If you could get an iRobot to follow him via a device or wearable that is low/no power - this would be ideal. The machine would self charge, and follow him throughout the day. Depending upon how much battery/charge is being used, you may need larger power packs or multiple charging stations.

    However, i am sure this robot would trip many people, causing more harm than good...but there may be a way around this.
    There are robots from iRobot you could start with!

    have fun..

  11. howzabout by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
    I'm thinking of this:

    If he only has more or less one route back and forth, a system of Infrared leds, that might hang on the ceiling or walls.

    A "necklace", kind like those ones that are used in those home alert ones, but with something like a RaspPi in them. The IR LED's would be flashing in a manner similar to a remote. Some would mean "Go straight", some "Turn Right", some would mean "Turn Left"

    Now the next part is on the Necklace. It has a IR receiver, and has a speaker that blurts out the needed direction. Since the directions are different depending whether he's coming or going, you'll have to shield the Transmitting LED's

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  12. FRDCSA Personal Life Planning Assistant (alpha) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have been working on a system that would *eventually* do that. It uses temporal planning software, among others to walk the user through their daily routines. Here is an example plan it has computed.

                Plan computed:
                Time: (ACTION) [action Duration; action Cost]
                0.0000: (MOVE ANDY CS-LOUNGE DOHERTY-LOCKER-161) [D:0.1500; C:2.0000]
                0.1500: (PICK-UP ANDY LAUNDRY DOHERTY-LOCKER-161) [D:0.1000; C:1.0000]
                0.2500: (MOVE ANDY DOHERTY-LOCKER-161 FORBES-AND-CHESTERFIELD) [D:0.1500; C:2.0000]
                0.4000: (SET-DOWN ANDY LAUNDRY FORBES-AND-CHESTERFIELD) [D:0.1000; C:1.0000]
                0.5000: (WASH-LAUNDRY ANDY LAUNDRY FORBES-AVE-LAUNDROMAT FORBES-AND-CHESTERFIELD) [D:2.0000; C:1.0000]
                2.5000: (MOVE ANDY FORBES-AND-CHESTERFIELD BAKER-LOCKER-18) [D:0.1500; C:2.0000]
                2.6500: (PICK-UP ANDY ELECTRIC-RAZOR BAKER-LOCKER-18) [D:0.1000; C:1.0000]
                2.7500: (PICK-UP ANDY TOWEL BAKER-LOCKER-18) [D:0.1000; C:1.0000]
                7.0000: (MOVE ANDY BAKER-LOCKER-18 UC-GYM) [D:0.1500; C:2.0000]
                7.1500: (SHOWER ANDY TOWEL UC-MENS-LOCKER-ROOM-SHOWER UC-GYM) [D:1.0000; C:1.0000]
                8.1500: (MOVE ANDY UC-GYM BAKER-LOCKER-18) [D:0.1500; C:2.0000]
                8.3000: (MOVE ANDY BAKER-LOCKER-18 DOHERTY-4201) [D:0.1500; C:2.0000]
                8.4500: (SET-DOWN ANDY ELECTRIC-RAZOR DOHERTY-4201) [D:0.1000; C:1.0000]
                8.5500: (CHARGE ELECTRIC-RAZOR OUTLET0 ANDY DOHERTY-4201) [D:12.0000; C:1.0000]
                20.5500: (PICK-UP ANDY ELECTRIC-RAZOR DOHERTY-4201) [D:0.1000; C:1.0000]
                20.6500: (MOVE ANDY DOHERTY-4201 FLAGSTAFF-HILL) [D:0.1500; C:2.0000]
                24.0000: (SHAVE ELECTRIC-RAZOR ANDY FLAGSTAFF-HILL) [D:0.2500; C:1.0000]

    It's not done though, it requires a lot more work, but I have been making some recent progress. My plan is to make a web based version available for the execution monitor, that would work with mobile, because I couldn't figure out how to get the android app to work again once they changed development methods.

    The system is mentioned more here:

    http://frdcsa.org/frdcsa/internal/verber/

    and here:

    https://www.newschallenge.org/challenge/data/evaluation/personal-life-planning-assistant

    It would take some important work to adapt it to your use case. Please contact me if interested at andrewdo@frdcsa.org.

    1. Re:FRDCSA Personal Life Planning Assistant (alpha) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Here I've updated some of the PDDL domains:

      http://frdcsa.org/~andrewdo/writings/basekb

      Here is a larger paper which explains the system in more detail.

      http://frdcsa.org/~andrewdo/writings/Temporal-Planning-and-Inferencing-for-Personal-Task-Management-with-SPSE2.pdf

      As for navigation throughout the house, there is software for mapping out wifi signals in different locations. That's what I was planning for using for starters. Of course, like with the camera you could do VSLAM (video simultaneous localization and mapping) from the webcam, there's also software for that. To handle the fact that the charger is going to run out, that's planned for in the planning domain. You need something like IndiGolog to plan with sensing. There is a program which would be a good system to get this all working in, which I'm eventually going to integrate:

      https://github.com/TeamSPoon/PrologMUD

      I hope I can be of assistance to you.

  13. Japanese are world leaders at this by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

    due to their love of robots, low birthrate, and lack of young people to make nurses out of.

    http://www.engadget.com/2015/0...

    But anyways... sounds like what you need is full smartphone capability (including ability for you to write your own apps) PLUS roomba's self-mobility and self-charging capability. Have you tried welding an iPhone to a roomba?

    1. Re:Japanese are world leaders at this by PPH · · Score: 1

      Robots are not quite up to this task yet. But they might be the best approach. Rather than a gadget that a person has to remember to pick up and use, the autonomous operation of the robot can initiate interaction. A (more or less) anthropomorphic form would be something that an individual would more readily respond to.

      Right now, you can get one of those Japanese robots and program it to follow a preprogrammed schedule and route. But the sensing capablity isn't quite up to speed to stop and wait for Uncle Fester to make sure he is following and produce a few added prompts if he is not.

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    2. Re:Japanese are world leaders at this by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      due to their love of robots, low birthrate and lack of young people (exacerbated by their extreme xenophobia) to make nurses out of.

      FTFY

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  14. Try Floor Stickers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    For all the common areas use floor stickers. Like breadcrumbs.

    For rooms that might get messy depending on number of residents and distribution

    1. Re:Try Floor Stickers by marko123 · · Score: 1

      For all the common areas use floor stickers. Like breadcrumbs.

      For rooms that might get messy depending on number of residents and distribution

      Not sure why this got modded down. Thinking outside the smartphone is a good way to help many of the elderly of our generation. Lit signs all over the place that can be turned on and off is another idea.

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    2. Re:Try Floor Stickers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      For all the common areas use floor stickers. Like breadcrumbs.

      For rooms that might get messy depending on number of residents and distribution

      What part of short term memory loss do you not understand? Most elderly people that suffer from this awful and debilitating condition can not learn new things! That's why any technological solution, even breadcrumbs or stickers, or blinky lights isn't going to work. Trust me, I and my family tried everything anyone is going to suggest in this thread and the only thing that works is to have a fully functional person (preferably someone they already know from before the affliction) take them where they need to go. Nothing, NOTHING else works. We did this for two years before we moved our grandfather to a 24/7 facility. After that he still commented that there were nice people that helped him every day, even though he never remembered their names. He would occasionally fuss with them, but eventually he couldn't walk by himself and needed to have meals in his room or be wheeled around. He still remembered us to his dying day, thank goodness, but there are many that even lose long term memory after a time.

    3. Re:Try Floor Stickers by ImWithBrilliant · · Score: 1

      Bingo! Smart floor/wall lights that react to his bluetooth proximity. Keep the battery drain out of the smartphone and put the smarts into the lighted arrows that have wired power. Software in the lighting can deduce his coming/going direction.

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    4. Re:Try Floor Stickers by KGIII · · Score: 2

      It's time to chip grandpa with an RFID tag.

      Seriously, we could put it in their bracelets that they often wear at these types of facilities. They're already scanned at the assisted living center I went to visit not long ago. They use a bar code and not RFID chips in them. They're not quite the cheap plasticine/paper things you see at hospitals but they're in place, as I understood it, for things like med handouts, certain procedures, and living wills which may have a DNR associated with them. That sort of thing.

      They could do this with an RFID and a button panel on the walls. The old dude can have a button panel on his wall that says chow hall, visiting room, day room, nurse's station, etc... Then a color, matching his bracelet color, can light up and the RFID can track him as he goes. As some of them are prone to wandering away, this could even be tied into an alarm system. The panel of buttons can be just a few, standardized, and all over the place so that they're easy to spot - they need only to remember to look for the panel and push the big button.

      Then the arrows you mention can light up and follow them as they go. Using different LED lights for each one means less chance of a 'collision' with someone else. It'd take some work and some custom programming but it could be done and, once done and trialled, the system could be sold to other facilities. They could even open source it with no risk of anyone really taking over the business unless they wanted to do the installs and stuff. There'd be consumables associated with it as the bracelets are sure to be damaged and people will pass away - re-use is probably not an option no matter what logic is used, emotions and fears and whatnot.

      Someone should do this. It might be lucrative. Build on the idea and run with it. There are a lot of people moving into the age where they may need to be placed in an assisted living center. With this is going to come a huge increase in dementia and other memory inhibiting issues. They probably should have done this ten years ago and be mature by now but it may not be too late.

      Remember that a non-tech-savvy person is going to need to be able to set this up so it should be pretty tight code and have a decent UI. I can imagine it would have an API for customization. The panel shouldn't really need more than a half dozen buttons and would be cheap. The lights would be cheap. The sensors and readers are cheap. They can even use it for patient tracking. The bits and pieces just need to be put together properly.

      I'm sure someone can go even further with your idea than I did.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    5. Re:Try Floor Stickers by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I think there are different levels. Not everyone is going to be like your relative. Should we not help those who don't have quite the same level of debilitation? Should we not seek solutions for others just because your relative was on the extreme level of the scale? Should we not prolong their ability to be as independent as possible just because you had some unfortunate relative?

      That doesn't make much sense. Not everyone has Alzheimer's disease or full blown dementia. It's on a scale and degrades over time in some cases. If you can get it wired in (so to speak) before the memory loss is too bad - it might just stick with some people.

      Finally, while I'm sure you are, as an individual, an intelligent person. I suspect that you're misleading yourself by claiming to have tried everything. I doubt you had the resources to fund your own assisted living center, staff, and then create an infrastructure that uses an RFID setup and the likes. You are probably not an authority on the subject and, while you have experience, you seem quite biased.

      If anything, I think you'd be sharing what you tried, why you think it failed, and how you might like to try again if you had the resources rather than naysaying. "We've tried everything. Give it up." That's been used before and was wrong. Be open minded, if you want, and let's see what people come up with and be willing to test it if it sounds reasonable.

      I may have a vested interest in this - I'm old and my memory is a bit fuzzy but probably for different reasons than your relative. I used to drink a whole lot and I've done more drugs than Keith Richards. Well, maybe not him but close.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    6. Re:Try Floor Stickers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What part of short term memory loss do you not understand?

      What part of TFS says he doesn't know where he needs to be?

      How I read TFS, is that he knows for example that he needs to be in the dining room at 5p, he just forgets how to get to the dining room.

    7. Re:Try Floor Stickers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What part of short term memory loss do you not understand?

      What part of TFS says he doesn't know where he needs to be? How I read TFS, is that he knows for example that he needs to be in the dining room at 5p, he just forgets how to get to the dining room.

      Well, having dealt with this decline with a relative I'd say this:

      ... but his memory of anything recent is terrible. He's in an assisted living center, but he's having serious trouble for example finding his way to the dining hall and back to his room.

      They get hungry and know they need food, but don't know where to go to get it, nor how to get back. That means they can't find where they need to be. If they have reached this stage they are not going to be able to learn anything new, especially spatial and location learning. I know. I've dealt with this. Your reading comprehension is not my problem, nor are your ignorant assumptions.

    8. Re: Try Floor Stickers by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      And they don't remember that they already ate, or they get angry because something that they've loved to eat for years they now hate, or they refuse to eat, or they only want dessert for every meal.

      Literally worse than a child. Which is why you'll see some of them with feeding tubes stuck through the abdomen when they're not even 60.

      And when you do convince them to eat something, they're on the phone to the rest of the family complaining about how you "forced" them to eat, and you get all sorts of sh*t for following the doctors orders.

      And the paranoia and false accusations, the constant thanks they give you right before they call everyone else to complain that you cleaned up their vomit with your bare hands and paper towels rather than let the transportation driver so it became you felt it was the right thing to take the risk yourself rather rhan to expose the unwitting driver to hepatitis.

      Trying to take care of someone who needs 24-hpur care has plenty of risks to the unwitting family member. Doesn't matter that you've changed their diapers and cleaned the crap from their butt, that will be quicky forgotten because their minds are going.

      No app can replace a person who will put up with this sort of stuff because they understand, and care.

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  15. If he can't find the dining hall... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How could you expect him to keep up with a small device he's not familiar with? I'm sorry to hear of his decline, but it happens - he WILL need 24/7 supervision. Don't exacerbate any confusion he already has, either bring him home and take care of him yourself if possible or find a facility that can. My mother worked in nursing homes, and I followed - any technological advance to make the elderly more "self sufficient" after they've started failing mentally just will not work.

  16. TrackEnsure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Try and use TrackEnsure and see if it works for you. You can set up 'Trips' there, you can set up 'Zones' (boundary zones, exclusion zones, reminder zones). You can set up Meetings (to meet based on fixed location or based on current phone location). You can also set up appointments (different functionality) and you can set up projects that you are working on, tracking time between different projects on the phone.

    1. Re:TrackEnsure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TrackEnsure - with the link.

  17. He's not going to remember he has it... by cmeans · · Score: 1
    ...or how to use it, or what it's for if he ever stumbles (I don't mean fall down) on it.

    It would need to be something that the person is already familiar with...unfortunately, that is not the situation today. Now, when you're in the same position, using technology will be second nature, and you'll have no problem finding the dining room.

  18. Been researched but doesn't exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The navigation and positioning companies have been spending on research for indoor positioning based on RF sources like Wi-Fi access points but, last I heard (~2 years ago), it never worked all that well and required specialized software to map out the building and also to compute positions. Beacon based solutions (small Bluetooth or other RF beacons placed strategically) also work but require installation and maintenance, plus specialized hardware & software to compute the position.

    If things have changed since then, I haven't heard about it.

  19. Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A deck of photos that she can flip trough. First page could have two photos or pictures: where I am and where I want to go. This would help her find the deck she needs. The she would flip through the pages as she made her way to where ever she wanted to go. Picture of the right side of the dining hall, that nice painting of a dog at that one corner, that long red rug, view from the window of the thing they used to bomb during the war you know, the big clock and piano at that other corner and finaly her own door or bingo or something.

  20. Smell map ? by bdubSOv1iKIJ403M · · Score: 1

    I don't know how to keep stable gradients indoors, but I find smell sometimes very helpful in creating internal maps, providing continual unconscious analog distance measurements to known landmarks of known scents.

    Trouble is, it's absurdly easy to completely saturate indoor air with a given scent; and it's gradients that are useful for unconscious mapping, not intensity per se. A source at one end of a room, needs to be complemented by a sink at the opposite end; otherwise the map becomes useless in half an hour, when the air becomes fully saturated and stable.

  21. All of you fail by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    LED's, arrows on the floor. smartphone, arudino, flip book, GPS...all fail

    If he can't remember the way down the hall to the dining hall, how in the hell is he going to remember to pick and follow directions on the damn phone?

    How to get him to the dining hall and back? Someone holding his hand in both directions.

    1. Re:All of you fail by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

      LED's, arrows on the floor. smartphone, arudino, flip book, GPS...all fail If he can't remember the way down the hall to the dining hall, how in the hell is he going to remember to pick and follow directions on the damn phone? How to get him to the dining hall and back? Someone holding his hand in both directions.

      Pretty much this, the only way to make sure he actually gets to the dining hall or back to his room is to have a person making sure of it. No matter how great the device is it's highly doubtful if he has the mental capacity to make use of it, most likely he'll forget where he has it, why he has it and how to operate it. That he could manage on his "own" with such a device sounds like a combination of nerd hubris and wishful thinking on behalf of the relative. You can't fix this with a gizmo.

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    2. Re:All of you fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The system I propose has a spoken dialog interface through the phone. The PrologMUD system has advanced NLU features and would/does work with the Android Speech Recognition interface. I don't see what is the problem here.

    3. Re:All of you fail by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      Unless, of course, said gizmo is completely autonomous, can charge and otherwise look after its own self and also the patient. You know, like an electric grandmother or bicentennial man.

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    4. Re:All of you fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wanted to read the comments hoping someone may point out a cool technology that may also apply to other types of scenarios. I have been curious about indoor location positioning and tracking for a while but yeah, I have to agree that at this stage, with his memory at this capacity, technology just isn't the answer. You have my sympathies but unfortunately I feel your best solution is human aide.

      Good luck.

    5. Re:All of you fail by Yaztromo · · Score: 1

      LED's, arrows on the floor. smartphone, arudino, flip book, GPS...all fail

      My grandfather suffered from Alzheimers in his final years. Even though he had been a military court reporter throughout WWII, and had worked in an office of a chemical plant for his entire career after the war, in his later years anytime the phone rang, he would pick it up and toss it in the garbage. Anytime my grandmother needed to use the phone, she had to go fish it out of the trash.

      Years later, when I was working on my MSc., my research supervisor came to us with an idea for a device just like the OP wants to create. He had no experience with people with dementia. I related my grandfathers story. He was never able to secure funding, and the project eventually fell through. Unfortunately, I think he felt that with sufficient funding and enough research, his idea for a handheld device to help the elderly with dementia would have eventually worked, and our relationship was never quite the same again. But I had experience behind me -- my grandfather was an educated man who had used telephones his entire career, but couldn't operate one in his final years (and I am talking about a landline, and not a cell phone), and out of frustration and confusion would just dump it in the nearest waste bin. If you had given him some fancy and expensive electronic device that made unexpected sounds and flashed meaningless text and colours and such at him, it would have very quickly wound up in the exact same place.

      The parent is correct. A time may come when we are of that age and our memories start failing that our long experiences with touchscreen smartphones will make such a concept tenable, but we're at least 20 - 30 years out from being at that stage yet. And I suspect that it will be some form of more invisible technology that will rule the day in the end, such as technology built into the environment. Until that time, you need a flesh and blood person to provide aid and guidance. Parent poster is right. There really is no substitute here.

      Yaz

    6. Re:All of you fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Talking as someone who worked the years ago in the problem: I worked in a project aiming to develop a working first prototype of an wearable autonomous system for elderly persons (and I mean totally autonomous), testing it with volunteers in health care centres and residences, with aid of specialists for evaluation, etc. This is a fairly complicated problem.

      In our case, we developed a wearable device which projected (with pico projectors) information into a wall or played sounds when the vision system recognized the environment using an embedded camera. Technically, you had to map the ambient in advance, and then a caregiver set up schedules and images/sounds to play or projected from a web page. The person had only to wear the device. Sounds good in the paper.

      It went worse than we expected. First of all, if you want someone wear something, its better to it be very unobtrusive, otherwise they outright reject/hate it, and even then, they still must have enough cognitive capability to remember to wear or carry the device with them and eventually charge it. Some didn't wanted even a PC (needed to stream, perform accurate odometry/recognition, and update the device schedules) with Wifi placed at their homes in a visible place. Talk about wear the device itself...

      At certain stages, also such kind of device becomes unhelpful. Our tests worked well with people with Clinical Demential Rating (CDR) up to 1 (mild cognitive impairment) and best in partially supervised environments. Otherwise they had difficulties to interpret the images, or deal with devices by themselves... it ended dead and discharged, or not working because the system got "blind" (users not aware about wearing it in proper way, covering or dirty on lenses, etc).

      Resuming: it worked pretty well in health-care centres as assisting device, but not suitable to be used 24/7 in place of someone.

      I`m looking forward to work in the issue for a next iteration of this system, but its quite difficult thing find out a way to interact with someone who has severe disabilities and still be not intrusive, light to carry and still have capability to locate itself without installing a bunch of beacons at the place. Also, even if it works, if its too expensive it is still more suitable have a caregiver.

    7. Re:All of you fail by KGIII · · Score: 1

      That's a piss poor reason to not do it. It may well not benefit this person but that doesn't mean that it won't help lots of other people (with varied stages of memory loss) in the future and even more people as it moves towards being ubiquitous. I say run with it. Give it a shot. There's a bunch of examples of things that might work, right here in this thread. They may not work for everyone but that's okay - they may work for others and help others to remain independent even longer.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    8. Re:All of you fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about someTHING holding his hand?
      A robot that would try very hard to not let him out of his room and, failing that, calls for a human
      It would know "normal" schedules and, maybe, take voice commands
      If the robot were voiced (and faced?) by a loved one that is remembered, it might be able to get his attention

    9. Re:All of you fail by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      He's looking for a solution for his relative, today. Not a research project that may bear fruit after a couple of decades and many millions of dollars.
      Will we get there eventually? Sure. Not anytime soon, though.

    10. Re:All of you fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree this should be done as well, but not to solve this particular problem, but to solve other problems as offshoots. The original problem posted is much like perpetual motion machines - can't be done. A hand-held, wall-mounted, or floor-mounted solution will not work beyond a certain level of memory loss. Will Not Work. I suspect if such a device would work, a person has enough memory to find his way back without the tech anyway.

      A technical solution will be an autonomous wheelchair with a Siri-like interface. I call it a Gerodrone (c). The dumb-tech version is called The Rascal.

    11. Re:All of you fail by KGIII · · Score: 1

      It starts with trying. Who knows? It might help. The brain's a funny thing. Maybe there's something there to tie in with his past memories? I'm not a fan of giving up because something appears to be impossible or too hard.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  22. QR codes by sonamchauhan · · Score: 1

    QR codes - many of them, printed out on large stickers stuck to the hallways doors, etc.

    Your smartphone app would display a live camera feed. When held up to a specific QR code, it gets a position and orientation fix (using an internal database of codes in the app). The app then overlay arrows on the camera feed (possibly augmented with audio cues to the relative in your voice).

    This is similar to how Amazon's Kiva robots scan QR codes that are placed on warehouse floors.

    Regarding dementia - try virgin, cold-pressed coconut oil. See: http://www.coconutketones.com/

    1. Re:QR codes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he can't remember which way the dining room is, he likely lacks the capacity to operate any of that.

  23. Overthinking the Problem? by rally2xs · · Score: 1

    Why not try ancient tech, pencil and paper.

    Create a set of instructions to be executed in numerical order:

    1) Leave the dining hall using the big white double doors.

    2) Continue to the Sidewalk intersection with the flower pot in the middle.

    3) Take the rightmost sidewalk

    4) Go left on the sidewalk just after the building with number "289A"

    5) Enter the building marked 289A at the 3'rd sidewalk entrance.

    and so forth.

    Print up a few hundred of these for the trip to and trip from each of the points he has to go to. When following these instructions, he can mark off each one with, say, a highlighter to let himself know at what part of the journey he is, in case he forgets. You could even make up these instructions with visual cues, such as photographs of what the closeby landscape should look like at any point.

    Dunno if it'll work, I've never worked with people losing these cognitive abilities. All I can say is give it a try.

    1. Re:Overthinking the Problem? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I'm only 58. I'd forget the highlighter. :/ Still, worth a shot.

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      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    2. Re:Overthinking the Problem? by rally2xs · · Score: 1

      I'm 68, and literally keep a highlighter in my pocket, a yellow one. (but don't need instructions to get around... ) I pull it out every now and then when I get a piece of paper with a phone number on it or an address that I want to be able to find on the page easily, and swipe some yellow on that. Highlighters are just cool!

      I road rally with the Sports Car Club of America, and can get anyone anywhere with a set of rally instructions. That's why I thought of this. Don't know if it would work with someone having memory problems, but its something to try is all.

    3. Re:Overthinking the Problem? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. It's very much worth a shot - if not for this one person than for others. My memory is a bit shot so I do rely on tech quite a bit to remember what to do. I'm forever leaving myself notes just to make sure I remember. In my case, I don't often actually need to read the notes - just the act of having made them is enough.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    4. Re:Overthinking the Problem? by rally2xs · · Score: 1

      About 10 years ago I was forgetting where I was on my way to work, not remembering whether I had made the turn from one road onto another, etc. I fixed it with aerobic exercise on an elliptical crosstrainer at my health club. Got up to an hour and 1000 calories of exercise, which helped with keeping weight under control, too. Just a thought if you'd like to try that. Oxygen to the brain, I think is probably at work with the exercise thing. I just know I have to keep exercising, or I'm going to go all to hell and prolly won't be able to remember my name eventually.

    5. Re:Overthinking the Problem? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I got lucky and was on the cusp of a 'new' technology (we modeled traffic - pedestrian and vehicular) and sold my business so I have been retired for eight years now. I am really pretty physically healthy and go out and work in the garden, cut down trees, lug my own firewood, or whatnot. I usually pay someone and then just end up helping them but I stay pretty active.

      I'm currently engaging in wanderlust - I'm sort of stuck in Buffalo due to an interesting female which was kind of, sort of, my reasoning for my travels. So, I'm out and about but I'm not that active at the moment. I should try something like doing more exercise. I've got the equipment but I don't use it. Maybe the scheduling will help too. Thanks for the idea.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  24. Computer Architecture Group project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There was a project at the Computer Architecture Group at MIT to provide extremely precise location information, based on a portable device and acoustic broadcast units scattered around the building. It was called the "Cricket Indoor Location System", and it was much too expensive per unit and worked about as well as a Volkswagen emissions test: the results were great, but the internal emails about how to cook the tests for publication were *fascinating*.

    See, these clowns were running their core file servers with NFS version 3 exposed to the world at large, with home directories and email and CVS passwords and all *sorts* of things unencrypted, which is partly how I found out about it. It's amazing what you can learn about scientific research when "computer scientists" decide to run their own special little network, with their own complete lack of security on it.

    1. Re: Computer Architecture Group project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cricket! It reminds me that the military is funding research on brain implants that steer cockroaches with tiny cameras as mobile spy platforms.

      Once the same mil-tech can be spun off people with similar implants could be guided or even compelled to navigate anywhere, for any purpose, at any time, with or without their consent.

      *Beep!* Mr. Johnson, it's time to report to the infirmary for your monthly check up. Please make sure you are dressed and ready to be auto-meta-led in 3, 2, 1... Thank you for you cooperation, and have a nice day.

    2. Re: Computer Architecture Group project by KGIII · · Score: 1

      While I've been working my way down the thread, asking and advocating tech, I think a brain implant that *compels* somebody to do something might actually be a little bit of a stretch at this point. I'm not entirely sure that we'd be able to get anyone to go along with that idea. I'd personally love some brain mods but I don't think I'd like them forced on me when I lack the ability to consent. I dare say that a bunch of old people would be rather displeased with the idea.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  25. Can't learn a new tool with failing short term by perpenso · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sadly I've experience this as well. With failing short term memory you can't really change habits, learn a new tool, etc. Its too late. Such things have to occur before short term memory becomes too bad.

    In my situation we'd have intelligent conversations (yes, long term memory was rock solid) about things to do differently, we'd agree, but by the next day it was all forgotten. Various devices like medical alerts and such would sit on the dresser gathering dust. You can't get the new device added to the routine. When short term memory was still OK we had the device but the family member blew it off, "I'm OK, I don't need that yet". And that opinion gets locked in and the device remains on the dresser unused years later when it is needed.

    You have to get the elderly family member to change habits and use a new tool before short term memory degrades. You have to explain the preceding, that new habits need to get wired in while still relatively healthy. Keep in mind that you will be severely limited with respect to upgrading the device. A replacement needs to be substantially similar in look and usage.

  26. Must be open to change one's ways by perpenso · · Score: 2

    I am elderly and have been programming computers on a daily basis since I was 19 years old. I would like something I can live with for when my memory starts to fail.

    Start now, don't wait. Get new devices, get upgrades, etc while things are normal but keep in mind that one day things will get "locked in" so look to longevity of equipment, maybe have spares or things that family members will be able to find spares for (get same model device from eBay etc). You have to be very open to changing daily habits (ex. check meds and refrigerator, call someone to checkin and share med/fridge state, wear that medical alert device).
    You can *not* blow these new habits off thinking "I'm still OK, I don't need to do this yet". You will probably not be aware of passing the point where your memory is such that you cannot form new habits.
    Don't be fooled into thinking you are OK because you can remember detailed things from 50 years ago. Long term and short term memory are two very different things, the later can fail while the former is still perfectly functional.

    1. Re:Must be open to change one's ways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From the age of 19, I was self employed in scientific and commercial programming, but I started 35 years ago to program my own mental AI prosthesis. It has been rewritten in seven languages and I've done over 12000 builds in its last incarnation. It is a mirror of my thinking and it needs to be rewritten yet again and there's the rub. None of the languages that I've explored have been able to show me a future that isn't fraught with the same level of bottlenecks and frustrations as I've experienced with Microsoft. Instead what I'm doing is concentrating on IoT in order to interface with a self made robotic solution that turns my home into a 3D scanner. It seems like I'm in an arms race that is never ending. Why, just this morning I was listening to what my reader had brought me from one of my favorite Internet sites. For the last week the first article loaded each day has been injected with promotional fund raising text which my AI now has to learn to reject. At first thought all my computational linguistic routines to avoid repeat articles were being corrupted, then an elegant solution presented itself. I would read and delete the first article from my list and reload it at the end of the list to avoid the injections. Total programming time 30 minutes, however that sort of solution is only possible while I capitalize on my existing development and not undertake a rewrite. That would take a decade or more to regain the same level of competency and I would surely die on the way.

    2. Re: Must be open to change one's ways by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      You could have better spent all that time living a real life. Any AI copy of you is just going to waste its time the same way.

      --
      "Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
  27. Zork? by ttg512 · · Score: 1

    I read through all these comments naysaying technology. This is /. after all so _something_ should be possible so it occurred to me you could do something like the following: First setup a collection of Bluetooth beacons, one in the center of each room. Next make a room map of these with appropriate connections in the style of say, the Zork game. The lounge connects to hallway connects to dining room. Next hack together a small computer which talks. The _only_ thing that has any hope of helping is a voice guided system which requires zero user input. At dinner time the system would determine a route, beacon by beacon, to get to the dining room, etc, and would keep hassling the user until in they arrive. Its hard to say how well it would work and like everyone else said you probably need that 24/7 support but the development would be a heap of fun! I intentionally did not Google around too much; perhaps something(s) already exist which implement pieces of this.

    1. Re:Zork? by KGIII · · Score: 1

      ... the Zork game.

      Sure, it's all fun and games until they end up in a closet where they can't find a light switch. They'll probably be eaten by a grue! It's pretty likely, after all. I bet the laundry room will be as complicated as the dam. What if they hit the maze on the way to the dining room? Hmm?

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    2. Re:Zork? by ttg512 · · Score: 1

      Oh snap! The eater becomes the eaten.

  28. I suggest by Kohath · · Score: 1

    a random walk algorithm.

  29. Wrong forum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having had a loved one go through assisted living and memory care facilities as they progressed toward what inevitably awaits us all in the end I would say that you need to have regular, informal conversations with the administrative staff at the facility where your relative resides. These shouldn't be scheduled in advance, unless you want to hear the same scripted responses you heard when you initially checked out the facility. Instead, at the tail end of a visit with your relative go hang out at the communal coffee pot/snack table that these facilities put out for the residents and their guests. Administrative staff at these facilities will typically make a point of joining you rather quickly to have that "feel good" conversation to ensure you aren't about to rush your relative off to another (typically more affordable) facility. You will likely get more useful information this environment than the standard salesman script these people stick to in almost every other situation (the 'you people messed up, we're done with you' conversation is about the only other time they will actually give you candid answers, IMHO). Questions you should bring up during such an informal encounter should focus on what sort of memory cues they provide residents to avoid situations such as wandering the halls looking for their room and/or the communal dining area, have the staff noticed your relative having memory/behavioral issues repeatedly at certain times of the day (look up sundowning if you aren't already familiar with this) and an assessment of the amount of social interaction your family member has with other residents.

  30. Analog solution by CODiNE · · Score: 1

    This is what they used to do at the preschool I went to. It won't work for every situation but should help most of the time. You will also need some buy-in from the workers at the care home, they may not agree to it. Simple solution is color-coded lines along the floor. Red line goes from bedrooms to the dining area, green line to the rec room, etc... Add a few arrows here and there so they don't get lost when multiple red lines converge... He just has to remember the line he's on. 90% of the time it should work. If he forgets that then he would've forgotten any phone or app anyways. Staff still has to work but it's not 24/7.

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  31. lock him up by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

    or he will be scammed.

  32. Complexity failure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That and the complexity of technology.

    If he needs 50 memories to turn on a tablet, find the apps screen, start and app, remember the swipe, pinch gestures etc. Then losing a few of those will break that operation.

    Really, he should spend as much time as he can with his relative, the time will be very short now, and forget the magic fixes that ultimately mean nothing.

  33. Low tech by Ginger_Chris · · Score: 1

    What about a small laminated map that can fit in his pocket? Maybe with a hole in it so it can be tied a belt loop in his trousers.

    1. Re:Low tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If he didn't know about the map before his short term memory went, he's not going to remember to get the map to find his way. Unfortunately, 24/7 care is the only option. If you haven't personally dealt with someone like this in your family then you really have no basis to supply ideas. It's unfortunate as we think that as technology people there has to be something we can do, but the fact is that once the short term memory goes, it's over. They cannot learn anything new, and if it wasn't hard wired before the decline nothing will help but someone guiding them to where they need to go. It really is a sad situation and very hard for others to accept, but it's what happens.

  34. Maybe an appropriately trained service dog. by Running+Bear · · Score: 0

    Not sure if any are being trained for this sort of situation. But I can see some benefits other than just guiding the relative around

  35. This is why aged care is a growth industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If he's failing at basic orientation over short distances, then he's probably not capable of following instructions on a smartphone, charging it, or keeping it with him consistently.

    24/7 care is in many ways the most human and respectful way to assist him.

    Because he's going to struggle with decision making and responding to directions, a solution that depends on him cognitively tying together abstract temporal and spatial concepts (e.g. if I charge my phone tonight, I'll be able to have breakfast tomorrow), it needs to be built into the infrastructure.

    I'm not sure I'm entirely comfortable with tagging people like farm animals, but so long as he's identifiable (bracelet, implanted RFID, facial recognition ...) reminders, and directions could be totally personalised and built in to the added care facility fit out. Think "Ender's game" and "follow the green path to lunch" flashing lights.

    This will eventually fail as well, at which point human care will be the only assertive way of helping him.

    Its a very sad situation, but a technology solution based on a smartphone isn't going to cut it.

  36. The solution is by terminal.dk · · Score: 1

    4 inch wide tape in different colors on the floor, with text in it saying where each strip leads to.
    Works on hospitals (Here in Denmark) for guiding patients around. Just follow the red line to the waiting room, or the yellow to x-ray.

  37. Service Dog by candude43 · · Score: 2

    A memory aid dog. An acquaintance of my brother has a brain injury, and he uses (and actually trains) dogs to help him around. Might not be practical in an assisted living situation though. Read more about him here. https://www.psychologytoday.co... http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/...

    1. Re:Service Dog by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Doesn't even need to be a service dog. Any dog will do wonders for mental engagement.

  38. A family of devices that can autostart an app ... by perpenso · · Score: 1

    Depends on what you mean by losing some steps in the process. If they change due to hardware or software upgrades sure. But they are not necessarily lost due to memory issues. In my family member's case the problems were entirely short term. Anything in long term was rock solid. 5 years ago or 50 years ago it was all there. But a conversation from yesterday, gone. Of course someone with a different illness could lose both short and long term.

    Perhaps a series of devices that can autostart an app would be useful. The hardware might get an upgrade if necessary but the app can remain constant with respect to user interface changes. Turning on and charging would need to be similar, wireless charging might be helpful there.

  39. Re:A family of devices that can autostart an app . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " But they are not necessarily lost due to memory issues."

    I doubt that, your old memories are no more stable than theirs and without constant re-inforcement (short term memory repetition) you'll lose them too.

    It gets more like Dotty here (watch till end):
    https://vimeo.com/128544536

  40. University Research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is quite a bit of ongoing university research into this area, including UK and Japan, and probably more widely. It generally involves cameras to track an elderly person in the house, and/or underfloor and/or worn sensors to monitor gait, plus knowledge of daily routines, a central processing unit, and loud speakers to then give prompts.

    AFAIK it is not production ready, so I don't think you'd want to make your relative a guinea pig for prototypes.

  41. Alzheimer's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My grandmother lost her recent memory. Got worse over time. She lived a very long time; eventually she denied my own existence. (She remembered the names of other family members, but I'm about 5-8 years younger than my next youngest cousin, and she disagreed when I said my parents had me.) Perhaps your solution will only work if it was taught to him 35 years ago. As is, you probably can't teach him anything, not "charge the phone daily" or even "follow the green arrow". If, by chance, he does pick up the things you try to teach him, he may lose it as memory gets older.

  42. Non-GPS solution by Maven0 · · Score: 1

    Create a schedule based turn by turn directions type system waiting on confirmation from the user. I think an Ipad with a nice kid safe cover and maybe a shoulder strap would be a good idea. Below is my idea of how it would work out.

    You setup schedule items for the different tasks that need to be completed at certain times.

    The Ipad dings/vibrates/flashes or does something to get attention of the user.
    Text comes up on the screen asking a basic question. "It is 12pm would you like to go have lunch?" then you have yes / no buttons below the question.
    The next question is "where are you currently located?" you put options for all the areas where your user is likely to be room / common area / dinning hall / etc / etc
    Then you can display a map with a highlighted route and give turn by turn directions on how to get from their starting point to the end point.
    "Exit your room and turn right." with an "OK" confirmation button
    "Have you reached point 1 yet?" buttons for yes/no
    "Continue down the hall way until you reach the nurses station." with another confirmation button.
    "Have you reached the nurses station(or point 2, however you want to name your waypoints) yet?"
    etc
    etc
    "You have reached the dinning hall" with a "done" confirmation

    You could also have where they could select destinations when it is not scheduled, but this would be something that had to be learned so i am not sure how to do that. If you can schedule everything then I guess that is OK.

    I think having a map and turn by turn directions with waypoints marked on the map would be something that could be used without having to learn how to do it. You could even include instruction to tap the buttons so that all they would have to do is be annoyed by the device enough to look at the screen then trust it to follow its instructions. I think this solution has merit because it is very straight forward and not technically difficult to do. Writing an app to do this should be a breeze you could probably even hire a contractor off the internet (or a CS student) to do it for a few hundred dollars.

    I had a nicer post worked out but changed my options while in the preview and it was deleted. So please forgive anything i am missing now or spelling mistakes.

  43. Re:A family of devices that can autostart an app . by perpenso · · Score: 1

    " But they are not necessarily lost due to memory issues."

    I doubt that, your old memories are no more stable than theirs and without constant re-inforcement (short term memory repetition) you'll lose them too. It gets more like Dotty here (watch till end)

    I watched a close family member that I knew all my life. Long term was not affected by the illness, only short term. I was not being figurative, memories from 5 years earlier and 50 years earlier were intact. I had extended conversations related to work and family that went back to the 1940s and 50s. Only yesterday's memories were gone.

  44. Re:A family of devices that can autostart an app . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "memories from 5 years earlier and 50 years earlier were intact"

    Some sure, but without reinforcement, memories simply fade. This is not a special trait of old people, its how the brain works.

    We can sit people down in front of tech they DEVELOPED from 20 years ago and they can't remember squat about it. These are not old, or Alzheimer, they're simply people. Very few even remember the key combinations to unlock a phone, let alone the T9 keyboard, if you watched the video you'll be reminded its menu-*.

    Does the process that loses their short term memory, lock in their long term memory? No. They have their long term memories which will become fewer and fewer over time.

  45. Didn't Disney solve this a decadeo with map bears by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

    Didn't Disneyland and Disneyworld solve this years ago with rented guide bears, stuffed bears programmed with maps of the park and local guide beacons in nearly every area of their tourist parks?

  46. Depends on the form of dementia by RogueyWon · · Score: 2

    This is going to depend a lot on the form of dementia. If you'll forgive a horrible over-simplification, the big question is whether you are dealing with Mild Cognitive Impairment (MCI) or with one of the progressive forms, of which Alzheimer's and Vascular Dementia are the most common varieties. I've had one grandparent with MCI and another with Vascular Dementia and they require very different responses.

    If you're dealing with MCI (and it is the most common form of dementia), then some kind of technological solution might get you somewhere, depending on how comfortable your relative is with technology. MCI tends to advance slowly and the symptoms could remain mild for years to come. A device that gives a few easily-recognised prompts might help.

    If you are dealing with one of the progressive forms of dementia, then forget it. With Alzheimer's and Vascular Dementia, the symptoms will progress rapidly and viciously. Your relative's current state, where he is basically coherent but forgetful, will not last long. His personality will rapidly change and, over time, he will appear to withdraw into himself completely (though you will potentially pass through stages along the way where he wanders and becomes depressed or even aggressive). Within a year or two, he is going to require full-time nursing assistance for even basic bodily functions and he will increasingly not even recognise close family members. There are some interim steps you can take to manage your relative's quality of life in the early-to-mid stages, but clever technological tricks are not likely to play a role.

    Vascular Dementia took about 3 years from diagnosis (so probably 4-5 years after initial symptoms) to turn my granddad into what was basically a hollow shell. The progression is not the same in every case; while the usual pattern is for short term memory to go first, the point we realised my granddad had something more than MCI was when his long term memory was damaged fairly suddenly and he lost all recollection of everything before the age of 20 or so (including the fact that he had grown up in Ireland and only moved to England in his late-teens).

    You might already have done this and just not thought to mention it in the article you submitted, but I would suggest that your first step should be to seek a diagnosis. Only once you have that can you begin to think about how best to manage things and whether technology has a role to play.

  47. Bluetooth beacons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A random new solution - If the old age home he lives in would agree to have beacons in a set of places delivering a signal over Bluetooth, then there could be a solution to read the beacons (just like GPS) using an app and then deliver turn by turn directions. There could even be alarms for someone leaving the grid, delivered to a central location.

    This is a business idea that a business could build for guiding shoppers in a mall, and they also deliver as charity to old age homes. I am sure some large malls and other businesses would love this... Someone mentioned Disneyland possibly had this. Anybody up for a kick starter project?

  48. Easy by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    "I am looking for a navigation system suitable for use indoors that will help him move around. "

    The navigation systems you're looking for is a 'sign'.
    You put them on walls in eye height saying "This way to the kitchen' or "down here for the restrooms."

  49. Understand the problem before trying to solve it by simplypeachy · · Score: 1

    It is crucial to understand what problems your relative is suffering, and how advanced they are. Some forms of dementia mean that people cannot form new memories, however much they try. It's not like forgetting where your keys are - it is no longer biologically possible to ever remember where you put them. It doesn't matter how easy it seems to remind or make it "easy" to remember, it is a function that doesn't work any more.

    You also need to understand what other cognitive impairments he is subject to. There may well be some that surprise you, and nix a solution you may have in mind. Some sufferers do not know what time of day it is, let alone what day of the week it is. They can't recall if they have eaten, if it is time for bed, et cetera. Once you understand some of these limitations you can better think about if you can help them, and if so, how.

    Also key is understand that elderly people can learn new tech - my Mum, who is in her late 70s, has taken to a tablet like a duck to water. She has never used a computer before, ever. Not even a typewriter. She has grasped the UI, the design concepts, and most importantly, the silly ways it doesn't work like when "taps" aren't registered. She's at the stage where she is learning how to use it on her own now. This is all because she isn't suffering a cognitive illness. But if she was, despite being a smart, methodical person, she could not have learned any of these, however simple and obvious it is.

    I don't want to be a downer for you, but just want you to make sure that any efforts you put into helping your relative aren't wasted. I understand the urge to help, to make life better. We're geeks and we can apply our skills to improve a lot of things. We spend our careers giving the gift that makes someone say "Wow, I didn't know I could do that! Thanks!" But we also learned to diagnose properly.

  50. Re:A family of devices that can autostart an app . by KGIII · · Score: 1

    I am soon to be 58. I can already sense the degradation. My memory is not what it used to be. I hold a PhD in Applied Mathematics, from MIT even. Yet, I can't remember what I had for dinner last night. (I'm not actually sure that I ate.) My memory loss is actually improving though - when I sold and retired I went on a hell of a bender and stayed on that bender for four years. So, it's improving but slowly and I don't think it will all return. I think I've done permanent damage but I don't complain - I had a hell of a time. That and some of the memory loss seems different than I experienced while drinking/heavily drugging.

    Some stuff seems etched in stone. I can recall a conversation, verbatim, from a week ago. I double check to make sure I have my keys even though i picked them up a few minutes ago. I can recall a specific instance from my childhood. I forget what I went to the store for. I can watch a documentary, one involving hard science and actually complex and educational, and you can ask what I'm watching and I'll tell you that I have no idea. I won't remember it tomorrow.

    --
    "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  51. Sticker path. FIX the confusing environment. by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 1

    You're going to have to stay low tech with this, and become 'disruptive'... but only slightly. The environment is probably far more sterile (less nav clues) than the places he has lived most of his life.

    Find some stickers that are well shaped arrows in bright colors, not too large but big enough to be seen at a glance. Place the stickers at eye level on the wall in the hallway across from his door so the arrows are the first thing he sees when he leaves the room. At every left/right junction, another arrow at eye level.

    Make two or three arrow paths with different colors going to the places, and by the door inside his room have a simple diagram that associates color with place. Don't worry about the return path unless it becomes a problem.

    This is a special needs case and if the staff are supportive as you say then here is a way to test it. Just do it, don't ask permission, if they have half a brain they will figure it out and if the arrows are removed, just place more until they leave them up OR come to you and claim it's a problem. If they do your best tactic is to refrain from anger and take on a position of incredulousness, saying "Why would you remove the arrows and confuse him like that?" as if doing so was just fixing a problem. The lack of clear navigation cues is their shortcoming, not his.

    Maybe you'll help them to wise up and repaint the corridors creatively so every hallway and junction has unique color and shape cues that people can commit to memory more easily, and people can hold on to their dignity and not get lost like rats in a maze.

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  52. Time to face reality. by Charcharodon · · Score: 1
    If he can't remember where the chow hall is and can't remember where his bedroom is, exactly how is he going to remember how to use a phone or any other device? Once a person is to this point they need more than just assisted living. It's time for a home.

    Personally I am starting to see the humanity in a more brutal time where large land predators picked off the old, the weak, and the sick (and the stupid).

    Slowly fading away like that would be hell.

  53. Talking Roomba by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    It needs a talking Roomba. "Lunchtime, Ted! Follow me."

    And as a bonus, it cleans the corridors as it goes.

    --
    Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  54. Paper Map by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Laminated paper map.

  55. Seems like the perfect task for a small robot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A small robot with a distinguishable features can lead him to where he should be. The bot can dock itself for charging similar to a Roomba.

    On a side note; to all of you agist pricks, I hope you feel the same way when you get to be frail.

  56. Nursing Home by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the answer, you need to get him to trust anything else. Trust is a big problem. Dementia is very very sad.

  57. assistance dog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Forget technology, I believe it will be easier for you relative to relate to a dog, as friend, a companion and help.

  58. tech for the elderly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Smartsoles may be something to consider.
    http://www.gpssmartsole.com/

  59. That reminds me... by namgge · · Score: 1

    Based on personal experience, you can forget technological aids. Sorry. It's all about getting the right environment and the right carers.

    One of my top ten 'clever solutions' to a problem was used (perhaps devised?) by a care home near me. They had a long driveway and trouble with residents who had a nice patio area to use wandering off and getting lost. So the home got a bus shelter built near the bottom of the drive. No buses, just an authentic shelter. Residents would get lost, wander around a bit, spot the bus shelter and go and sit down and quite happily wait ages (it was the UK) for the bus. CCTV would spot them and and an orderly would walk down and help them back again.

    1. Re:That reminds me... by ignavusinfo · · Score: 1

      That's a great anecdote and a nice reminder that problems are often well solved obliquely. Thanks for sharing.

  60. Central system by Radio+Bill · · Score: 1

    The only useful system would be operated by the facility. It would involve a server tracking the residents. It would feel somewhat like the Star Trek computer. Older efforts would have involved the resident carrying a card or pen that the system could ping (and such systems exist), but cards can be forgotten by residents, and existing designs can't tell which way the resident is looking, which is important for being able to give instructions like "turn around". Modern computer vision techniques might be up to the task, allowing tracking residents without need for a non-removable wrist strap, and could also give facing direction. A plus, from the facility's perspective would be faster detection of falls, for example. Control of many locally placed speakers permits targeting instructions. Control of indicator lights and/or monitors could assist in giving directions. Such a system could integrate with more invasive monitoring (pulse, breathing, etc.) for residents in worse shape. It would be a big project, and a potentially lucrative one for a supplier of medical aids, like GE or a lucky startup. But there is no substitute for staff, and one possible "actuator" is informing staff that a resident appears to be wandering, distressed, or incapacitated.

  61. You sure? by jon3k · · Score: 1

    but 24/7 oversight is not an option

    It is in a higher acuity setting, like a skilled nursing facility.

  62. Re:A family of devices that can autostart an app . by kevinking.psyd · · Score: 1

    As Woody Allen said - memory is 90% attention. You're probably not experiencing any memory-loss issues at 58, it has more to do with how you're encoding new memories. On drugs and especially alchohol, the processes of laying down new memories is warped and possibly "shut down" at times (e.g. during a black out). Double checking for your keys is a habit. You probably didn't spend a lot of attention to the fact that you picked them up in the first place. Likewise with your documentaries, you're mostly just enjoying a pass-time and not caring about what it is or applying the content, so, the brain doesn't bother assigning it as much salience (i.e. importance, relevance) as it might to a conversation you had last week.

  63. Small drone he'll want to catch/follow, or doggy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Find a shape and sound that he'll relate to and wants to catch (wife, son, St Mary, ...). When he strays from the path or stops, a small drone takes off in the right direction and says to follow. Add speech recognition if he spontaneously calls for it to assist him. Closest off-the-shelf tech is a trained doggy, and it shows affection too.
    You need to rely on very basic functions and build upon existing behaviour.

    Mental decline is not always due to a disease of the brain. Make sure there's at least one person around (a few times per year at least) that won't shy away from truths he wants to face. Too many elderly people are alone while trying to face their end of life because nobody around is ok to face their own, the other elderlies are stuck in their own spiral of despair, so all ears are shut. The old person usually can't face this loneliness and chooses the less painful senility. The person speaks of death but nobody catches on. (e.g. "I'll die soon!", people answer "No you're all right" and that's it, instead of e.g. "Yeah, so do I", which usually quickly leads to "I want to die", and after a few more steps an authentic relationship is possible.) Make sure at least one person around knows that death is not a failure, a looser's end -- and this is not just a mindset so words can't explain that properly. A death can be successful too. There's still a great challenge to meet there. Achieve this and sometimes you'll see a demented old hag turn into something incredibly strong and inspiring.
    Only sometimes though--there's brain diseases, and then many people manage to die stupid just like they planned.
    Strongly recommended read: La mort intime, Marie de Hennezel (translated as Intimate Death, or as Seize the Day, I only read the French version). I never read another book in the same category, describing, in my words, successful deaths (other than the hero-saves-children-at-the-cost-of-his-life type).

  64. Does he wear a watch? by RandCraw · · Score: 1

    I also think he's unlikely to adopt a new device, but if he already wears a watch and you can switch it for one of the new smart watches, that might work.

    The watch would have to do three things:

    1) Generate an audible reminder when it needs to be recharged. You could write an app that measures battery charge and when low, the watch shouts in a loud female voice (travels farther than a male voice) that the watch needs to be plugged in for recharge.

    2) Navigate to and from the dining room. This will NOT work with GPS, which requires a clear line of sight to the satellite. But you might be able to combine a timer that knows the interval between each turn with the inertial sensor in the watch to tick off the seconds betqween turns as long as he is moving. If he stops, the timer should stop. That might work pretty well in reporting when to turn. The watch could show an arrow to point out the desired direction and a voice that speaks "turn here" and then say aloud the direction and maybe even say how much distance / steps (or time) to the next turn.

    This nav mode should be easy to turn off, perhaps verbally or with big control buttons on the display (on / pause / end).

    3) Be a watch. It should look like whatever timepiece is preferred and legible, digital or analog, in whatever color combo works best.

    Finally I would emphasize, despite your best efforts, this person almost certainly will not use the device. Few at that age like electronic gadgets, even when their brains are fully operational. If you do this, it will largely be for your own peace of mind, to help you feel like you did your best to help.

    In the last couple of months of my 80 year old mother's life, I built a nice little web portal for her laptop that would help her navigate her favorite radio station, TV channel, web sites, and a TV guide. But she never used it. Good luck.

    1. Re:Does he wear a watch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the elderly needs a walker then attaching the device to walker would also work (and it could be a little larger). As for directions big arrow on screen to show direction (the destination you can safely guess by the clock and the fact if the walker was walked to the dinner already, and for everything else, does is really matter?). And probably some prerecorded clips for wrong turns similar to GPS or just grabbing attention. You could even add a talking head to the screen so it would look like someone giving directions.

  65. Re:A family of devices that can autostart an app . by KGIII · · Score: 1

    Interesting, thanks. I'll have to remember to ponder it. ;)

    --
    "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  66. Re: A family of devices that can autostart an app by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Memory can't really be simply broken down into short and long term memory. There's memory of events, memory of how to do certain tasks, memory of people and a few other distinctions.
    I have a memory problem where sometimes I forget what it was I set out to do for a little while, but if I wait and do nothing for a little while, it will come back to me.

  67. Re: Font in every app by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    I have to use a large font for things to view them comfortably and the browser makers seem to want to blame the sites for why the page gets rendered wrong at large font sizes. I suppose they think that overlapping text is a desirable outcome.

  68. Try a trained dog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From what you tell I guess that there is something emotional involved in the problem...
    Dogs make good bonds. And if he does not get attached, he might not remember to feed him. So, it would fail.
    But perhaps, the company might make the difference. And trained dogs are aware of timetables and places.
    I hope that this helps.
    Keep on trying.

  69. Re: Font in every app by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    I think the site designers are more at fault than the browser designers. Don't use tiny fonts driven by script, making them unenlargeable. Don't design your site so taht text starts overlapping ifna reasobanle degree of browser enlargement is being used.

  70. Memory Assist by jraff2 · · Score: 1

    UCLA has a dementia/alzheimer's study going on with some real help - search parameters - ucla beam alzheimer's disease

  71. thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OP here - thanks for the advice (and thanks to all the other commenters). I will look into the details - he' s had great healthcare (three cheers for socialized medicine) so he's likely been diagnosed, I will talk to another relative who is managing his medical care. He's probably in between those two extremes - he was comatose after a stroke during bypass surgery, then clawed his way back to fully independant living in his 80s and has slowly gone downhill since. Realistically I don't think he has a lot of time left, and I'm not all that surprised that there is not a good existing solution. But as someone said downthread - you hope anyway...

  72. Re: Font in every app by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    The standards committees for possibly HTML 5, javascript, and CSS, have some bearing on the situation as well.

  73. Re: A family of devices that can autostart an app by perpenso · · Score: 1

    Memory can't really be simply broken down into short and long term memory. There's memory of events, memory of how to do certain tasks, memory of people and a few other distinctions. I have a memory problem where sometimes I forget what it was I set out to do for a little while, but if I wait and do nothing for a little while, it will come back to me.

    The problems with memory depend on the specific illness. The illness of my family member primarily interfered with recent memories migrating to long term. For example the loss of a conversation and a plan from a day or two ago. Hence the characterization of the problem as short term memory loss. Existing long term memory was not affected by the illness, just the formation of new long term memories. One could have perfectly normal conversations and recollections so long as one went back 5 or more years, and seriously, these could get very detailed and technical. I'm not a medical professional, apologies for the imprecise terminology.

  74. Re:A family of devices that can autostart an app . by perpenso · · Score: 1

    We also get more sensitive to forgetting the little things as we age. Forgetting what one had for dinner last night at age 20, no big deal. At age 60, oh shit, do I need to see a doctor?

    A professor once offered an interesting description of learning. Its selective forgetting, discarding the unimportant things and keeping the important. The trick to learning is telling the two apart. Perhaps last night's meal gets discarded in this sort of selection.

    I do the keys thing too, but I've been doing it for many decades. When I was young I got into the habit of touching the pocket where I routinely put my keys and then the pocket with my wallet. In the last decade I've transition to three touches, adding another one for phone. Moments of confusion result when wearing something with cargo pockets and I put the phone there. Hopefully its the breaking of my routine and not age. :-)

  75. Re:A family of devices that can autostart an app . by KGIII · · Score: 1

    I can understand that. Sometimes I wake up and find that $body_part is sore and I'm like, "Damn it, that's going to be permanent isn't it?" Fortunately, my doctor assures me that I have the constitution of a horse. I still wonder when I wake up that way. Ah well...

    It's only bad when you've searched your pockets three times and still don't find it and have to have someone else pat you down and they find it on the first try. Yes, yes that has happened. As stated in a post/reply just prior to this. I need a life coach or something.

    --
    "So long and thanks for all the fish."
  76. Re: A family of devices that can autostart an app by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    The thing is, a person can have trouble integrating into long term memory the things that have recently happened to him but still learn new tasks without remembering the events that happened during that learning. That doesn't mean that's always the case, but it might be worth pursuing.